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NEW 2023 TaylorMade irons are a BIG problem for P790!
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Like Titleist's T100 & T100s, these are really now just loft different clubs - and that means that most players if they just swap out their last iron for the stronger lofted P790, it will likely help their top-end gapping from falling off
PXG has had a ton of success with P/T and XP/P combos for this reason. It works really well because the clubs look almost the same. A P770/790 combo would work very similar to PXG.
Seems like the decision between these two should be influenced by the gapping between the irons / wedges / hybrids or fairways. I'd like to hear your views on that. Maybe an episode on how to go about properly gapping out the entire bag. For me, when the 5 iron starts getting longer than 180 yards it starts overlapping my shortest hybrid or fairway wood. The distance difference on the 5i between the 790 and 770 seems very much in line with the loft differences. Maybe with the 790s I could drop the 5i from the bag. Is that better for an average golfer or is it better to have closer gaps in the higher lofted irons?
One reason for choosing between them must be to get close to the required distance one being shorter than the other another would be the required height that you mention and the two don’t seem to go together which creates a dilemma
Lofts would need adjusting to align Paul
I played the 2021 P790's 3-PW for about 10 months. I really liked them but the occasional fliers and low trajectory put me in too many instances where instead of putting for birdies I was facing and up-and-down situation. Too many times I saw a well hit ball land close to the pin and then role off onto the fringe. I am now playing the P7MC's 5-PW and I absolutely love them. The feel is exhilarating and I love the sound of a solid strike. The ball flight is more to my liking with a beautiful high, soaring baby draw, and the ball lands soft and sticky. I soon realized that I was going to have to add a 4 iron so I decided to order a P770, which is arriving tomorrow. I can't wait to take it out to the range.
Andy, that is exactly what I felt. From a person that would buy either could want to show off how far they hit...
Happy New Year Andy! After you banging on about 7 woods, 9 woods & hy-woods for 6 months, I bit the bullet and bought a 7 wood a couple of weeks ago. Oh my, oh my, oh my!!! First shot at the range a duff, but since that one shot, 200 yds down the middle every time. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Why the hell weren't you on about them a few years ago😛
When I read the first line I panicked a little.....glad you are happy Alan
But here’s my question.
Let’s say an iron model is released. Two years later, the new model is released and it’s practically the same club - but the lofts are all 1* stronger. The club manufacturer says it’s a touch more forgiving (6%, for example)…
Does that make the new, stronger lofted irons easier, as easy or more difficult to hit than the previous?
I bought a set of players distance irons three years ago and while I like them and have adjusted, there’s something about swinging more traditional lofted clubs that gives me my most confidence. I dunno.
As for these irons, I got to see them in person, but didn’t try them. While they do look and feel nice (I like the stock grip), there’s something I don’t like about how thick they are front to back. Yes, they’re relatively small from heel to toe, but they’re just…bulkier or something. Thick, square topline.
I've played the P790s last year, and have a blended set of P770 - P7MC on the way this month. I like the P790s, but the occasional flier sent some shots sailing past greens. I was shocked when I hit the MCs as well as I did, and the feel is incredible. Granted, I'll lose a little distance, but dispersion on trackman was just better, for me. I like the gap of lofts better with the MCs.
I think a lot of golfers would be surprised that the MCs are not as scary as they appear visually, sometimes we are misled a little by manufacturers categorising irons by handicap
@@TheAverageGolfer 100% agreed!
@@TheAverageGolfer totally
I play a Srixon ZX7/ZX5 combo and had a similar experience. ZX7 is shockingly forgiving. Probably the most forgiving player iron since I hit the Callaway X-Proto back in the day.
Same concern as me mate . I’ve used p790s last 4 years but fancied p7mc in 7-pw . Play off 9 and concerned I won’t hit these well . Will get tested . What you play off ? Cheers
I had the 2021 P790’s and when the 2023 Phantoms came out, I traded up for those. I’m
Finding that I hit the 2021’s a lot better than I do the blacked out version. The weight feels way different and the strikes on the 2023’s don’t feel nearly as pure.
I actually wish I had kept my old set and never fooled with the P790 phantoms at all
Not video related but top as normal! 👌
Just want to say thanks having purchased Dhy 2 iron which is a fantastic club but only yesterday bought ping chipr!...what a club! 👌..straight lonng(170yds) might even play 9 just with chipr&putter 😄...Thanks again for great videos and recommendations,spot on every time! 👍
I love to read this kind of feedback and glad the reviews are of some assistance, good luck
Happy New Year.
Always loved the P770s, problem is that I have i210 irons which are just as good and have no risk of hollow body fliers
Not sure the hollow body flyer is still a thing
Kind of. The 790 retains high ball speeds on strikes above center. If you catch one high on the face out of the rough, that's when you get the moon ball flier. It's not a hollow body thing per se. Other power bats like the Cobra Forged Tec have dealt with it pretty well by keeping spin up.
What do you mean ❓ @the average golfer
“ 8:36 at the top end it’s almost inseparable particularly on 5i“
Then you said
“ 8:54 it’s visible difference particulary on 5i, it’s separated by 10 yards “
So 5i is the most inseparable(8:36) or most visible difference(8:54)❓❓
And the middle and bottom is less or more different than 5i ❓❓( 10yards)
I really would like you to tell us what shaft is in the clubs you are using when testing clubs. Shafts really do make a big difference in the feel of the club....Juts a thought. Love your reviews
to blend them you would need to have two 6 irons. Too much of a gap between p790 6 iron and p770 7 iron
That’s not how it works Jim, the lofts can be adjusted either way to ensure a seemless blend in gapping 👍
@@TheAverageGolfer yes, I guess you could bend them to suit. 790 up a bit to be closer to the 770 7 at 33 degrees
Great video. I hit the 770 way better than the 790s but Mizuno 225/223 were the best for my game. 2-4 in 225 and 5-PW in 223.
Nice set up
Hi i use 770 pw to 7 iron then 790’s 6and 5 iron which they had to change the lofts x
Yep best of both worlds
Hi , This is exactly what I’m thinking . Out of interest what loft did you get the p790s to maintain gapping please ? I might also get the 4 iron so would need that altered too . Thank you
Im not sure what they bent them too taylormade did a fitting day at our club and they sorted them out
Im not sure what they bent them too taylormade did a fitting day at our club and they sorted them out
Im not sure what they bent them too taylormade did a fitting day at our club and they sorted them out
It was hard to understand the comparisons between old p770 and new p770s, since you switched it to be a p770 vs p790 vid, a little bit confused with this review. I just want to know if new new p770s are discernibly different from the 2021s. Thanks
I absolutely love the look of the new p770s I’m moving from my current apex dcb though so will probably get the p970s
I play T200 (2022) where do they sit compared to the P770/P790? I love my T200s and I don't see me changing them in quite a while.
I've got p790 2021 would love to try p770 side by side with my own swing
Be interesting to her your thoughts
what a difference in swing path between you and Lewis!
Great video. Pleased I found your channel great content 👍😀
A question for you Andy. I Just came back to golf after a 25 year break. I am getting lessons and rapidly improving with the help of a good pro. I bought a set of game improvement irons and they are fine irons, except for the lofts. While I was away from the game it seems like manufacturers decided to take what was a 5 iron and call it the new 7 iron etc. Even as a 'beginner' I now hit my 7 iron up to 175 yards! This seems very strange to me. Spin and loft are just as useful for control for the high handicap player, especially since this is the category of player that will improve most rapidly and potentially outgrow the limitations of 'power-bats' fairly quickly. I cannot, no matter how hard I look, find a set of clubs that are marketed as 'forgiving' for the high handicapper, yet have anything close to sensible (sorry traditional :) lofts. The closest I have come is Ping who have a retro spec option on their g425 irons and even this combo I would consider on the strong side. Can you recommend any manufacturers or products for me?
Would you not consider the P790’s ?
@@TheAverageGolfer I would consider anything :) The reason I hadn't focussed on the P790 is the literature and common opinion that seems to say this club is aimed at the low-mid handicapper and again the 7 irons comes in a 30 degrees which is pretty strong.
@@Matthewlowe-tx4zc why is loft an issue for you? Is it not better to concentrate on launch, spin and carry and discard loft as it is irrelevant in my opinion
@@TheAverageGolfer Nods, I don't disagree - its not loft in and of itself - it's more because more traditional lofted irons create more spin and tend to be more accurate/precise in my experience. I seem to be doing ok for distance (not that more distance is a bad thing) so I was trying to find a forgiving iron that focuses more on spin/control rather than on distance gains. I absolutely take your point though.
@@Matthewlowe-tx4zc Why not the P770s then? The 7 iron loft on the 770 is 33 degrees, whereas it's 30.5 on the P790. Granted, even 33 is slightly stronger than lofts of 25 years ago, but it's pretty close. It's also still a forgiving iron.
In your last comment though, you said that you want to focus more on spin and control, which frankly sounds like you should be looking more at blades. You kinda sound like you think your game isn't strong enough yet for blades, but they're definitely the clubs that are going to give you more spin and control. Just little forgiveness. Most blades are traditional lofts though. For example the MB is 34 degrees on the 7 iron
Good video as I’m looking and having a change . I have played the the original p790s for 4 years now and play off 9 . I will get fitted but thinking a combo of the p790s 4-6 then 7-p770s (or mc7) . Worried about gapping and like a bit more loft . Could it be a good idea getting the p790s in the same weaker loft as the p770s in the longer irons ? Cheers
I don't think that would be a bad idea at all tbh getting way more yardage from lower irons then having to worry about gapping might have to do that myself definitely thinking about going to Taylormade I'm with PXG rn
Might be cold but every shot is out of long grass and thus hitting fliers. Find a fairway.
Takomo Team 201 irons. , Happy new years
Nice
Good review 👍
Just get to the fing point what club and year you are reviewing jeeeesh
Just got PXG 0317 ST irons
Nice
Super super confusing video
Too many P's for me all confused
Theres two models?