Hey everyone! I did want to mention playing Will as an Approach of the Second Sun deck as well. Playing this card + mystical tutor can often just win games. I didn't mention this because that was NOT the play experience I was going for, but if you want a more competitive deck, do it. Will is just begging to run this card, but I know my groups would hate playing against it. Also, if you get something out of the video, please subscribe! We are growing quickly, but I want to keep up the momentum. New videos every Wednesday. Don't forget to turn on your notifications for the channel and leave a comment, too!
Honestly, I wish you all the good karma in the world in growing this channel. ive watched two of your videos so far and you think about deck making the same way i do. Your analytical breakdowns and reasoning is spot on... You had me at Most people dont like the term YOU WIN THE GAME lol.... many a salty night has ended with people who use those cards in the wrong setting lol... anyways keep doing you brother..i really hope you get the rub of the algorithm and blow up because i could listen to you talk about deck building all day as it just felt like i was having my own brain talk out loud much love
This really means a lot to me. My main goal of just putting out something that is ACTUALLY useful. As I think a lot of channels just shoot out basic recommendations without the "substance." I really hope you stick around for my future videos. Cheers, friend.
@@Tempest-Official glad to hear that my friend. And yeah i kinda agree as entertaining as some channels are they really only scratch the bare min of deck building with actual play in mind... The fact you'll cut cards that are staples because they don't fit theme or synegise with a deck is absolutely wonderful. I'll stay tuned xx
As someone building Will for CommandFest in less than a month, this video is extremely helpful. Love your breakdown, worthy of a sub and further listening. Great work.
Excellent. Watched every Will video it felt like everyone was building it wrong. Missing the importance of low pips and low cost spells. By far the best one. Really appreciate the overall in-depth analysis. Love the overall approach to the game. I’ve subscribed.
Your deck techs are a breath of fresh air when a lot of the other deck techs out there don’t really go into the same detail about individual card choices and the goals of the deck. A lot of them simply list card choices and at-a-glance info about them but otherwise don’t take into account the cost or color requirements or how well they work with the plan. Over the years, I’ve come to take EDHRec’s scores with a grain of salt because while they seem to synergize on paper, they often don’t really gel together in practice and I wish more people realize this. Your consciously challenging those stats, and not just for the sake of challenging the stats but to make the deck better, is one of the things that won me over. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing more content from you!
You need more subscribers! Your videos are thorough and really help us understand why you played different cards, along with a good balance of mechanics! (Draw, Ramp, Lifegain, etc.) Definitely subscribing for more :) Best of luck with everything!
I pulled an anime Will from a pack, and I'm thinking of building it because it's a cheaper commander to build. I really enjoyed your insights and perspective. Thanks for the video.
My lessons learned building this deck: don’t run life gain doublers, nothing is worse than drawing them when you have no way to gain life. Also, the core to the deck is running 10-12 angels/flying life-link creatures preferably with 4 power or more. This means building around getting one of them out by turn 4 at the latest. Also run all the draw x spells, the quickest way the deck loses is by running out of steam. Limit the number of cards that don’t support getting out angels, drawing cards and protection. Finally, finale of revelation is the best card in this deck (assuming you aren’t playing extra turns etc) I don’t run tutors in the deck anymore because if I could get that card the game is basically over
5:21 you say that we can use Soul Warden effects to make use of instants and cost reduction. However, Will says that his tap ability can only be activated as a sorcery. It means that it's exclusively for comboing on your turn, unless I am missing something.
I really like that there is another Azorius commander making some waves. Hylda also looks pretty interesting to me but maybe less laser focused like Will, the Scion of Peace. I wanted to include him in my 99 but I realized I just already have SO MUCH convoke in my deck and not enough lifegain mechanics that it would actually be sorta BAD in my current fave Azorius deck...Having stuff like Flockchaser Phantom, Wand of the Worldsoul and Invasion of Segovia just give me SO MUCH convoke value on top of the fact that I'm running a mostly Human Soldiers or Human Soldier Token creators build so I will always have LOTS of easy ways to "cheat out" more expensive cards than I may have the actual mana rocks or lands for. As a Commander that you build around though, I can see how Will could be a devastatingly good and fun commander. Only problem I can see is that, people will KNOW your trick and will just try to mess up your commander with some sort of Enchantment that makes him perma tapped unless xyz happens or turn him into a frog with no abilities or what have you.
I actually built my deck a week before the set released. It is 4-0 in group play and 0-1 in 1v1. I absolutely love this deck, not only because I share a name with the commander, but because it's a problem. The 1v1 I lost was to atraxa infect, which is the worst scenario for Will. The only wincon I had was stormherd in those games. Mystical tutor is a key include.
When at my lgs and we Rule Zero I ask them if they want me to “Come in Peace” (Will) or “Go in pieces” (Rowan). Really they are screwed either way assuming the power level is matched. The illusion of choice feeds me. Lol.
This deck tech was awesome, very insightful all around. Any interest in building a deck around Ovika, Enigma Goliath? I’m sure you could come up with something really cool
Funny enough, I actually already build an Ovika list! It is such a fun casual commander. I have been thinking of making a more "budget" spotlight for certain commanders and this one has been on my mind. Also, Jim from the Spike Feeders has a list that was very interesting. I would check out the recent video from Elder Dragon Hijinks if you haven't already!
I've also seen that Edhrec suggests a lot of X spells that gain you life, but to be honest that is very counter intuitive. You want to use the X spells AFTER you have gained life. You should already have plenty of lifegain without that kind of effect.
Haha. You have been bamboozled. The commander tax is an ADDED cost to the spell which is added before any type of reduction. So Will can in fact cost reduce himself.
It's so strange in my playgroup. The other guys don't care if its a 4 card combo that goes infinite, they don't want to see ANYTHING go infinite.... meanwhile every card that says "win the game" sees play...
What happens if you have an artifact or enchantment that's a threat (most likely more than 3 mana) and that 1 mana white specific removal isn't as effective. Yeah you'll hit the sol ring or mana crypt, but you aren't stopping the actual threat and will lose.
I see where you are coming from. I will point out that we do include Generous Gift, Heliod's Intervention, Cyclonic Rift, Light of Hope, and of course the lucky offering you are referencing. I didn't have time to include all of these in the video, but you will certainly have answers. But I think you as the deck builder have the agency to pick and choose which cards you want to include. If your specific group is heavier on the artifact/enchantment wins, then absolutely run more spot removal for those things. Either way. I hope you got something out of the video and thank you for watching/commenting!
@@Tempest-Official oh yes definitely, I'm interested in building this commander. It would be my first life gain deck. Definitely opened up my eyes to some stuff
I'm not an EDH player, so I won't be sub'ing, but I just wanted to say this is a really well done video and the polish you put on it really comes through.
I don't get why Felidar and other 'you win the game' wincons get the hate. I think they are extremely weak wincons, because they're slow, don't win you the game the same turn you deploy them. Like other colors do. In one turn, red burns you to death, Black drains you, Green deploys Behemoth, Blue can mill you out or win with the Oracle. But white must wait the whole rotation and people have plenty of ways to stop it - remove it, boardwipe, kill the player, drop the life total below 40... I never won with those wincons because my opponents were always able to kill it (despite protection) or kill me. While red/black/blue players often win out of nowhere. Compare that with Rowan who can win extremely easily: If Rowan's out, you just cast life reducer and follow up with many many burn X spells or Exsanguinate/Torment of Hellfire...
I totally get it. Although I structure these videos to be as user friendly as possible, we can certainly miss the mark as we approach more competitive builds. I would agree that in a competitive setting, those white win cons have their drawbacks. Although those win cons don't bother me in the casual scene, I have seen plenty of upset people on the other end of the table.
i ever looking for other ways to play a deck. i started with a sphinxtribal on that commander Will. a few stax and low, but constat lifegain to make spinx cheaper. later i change to lifegain eldrazi-tribe
Big props to anyone who challenges edhrec. You just earned yourself a sub!
Watch out edhrec. 😎 Thank you!!
The edhrec folks challenge their own stats reasonably frequently
I've been trying build Will for like a week now and your introduction to trying to build him perfectly encapsulates how I've felt
Hey everyone! I did want to mention playing Will as an Approach of the Second Sun deck as well. Playing this card + mystical tutor can often just win games. I didn't mention this because that was NOT the play experience I was going for, but if you want a more competitive deck, do it. Will is just begging to run this card, but I know my groups would hate playing against it.
Also, if you get something out of the video, please subscribe! We are growing quickly, but I want to keep up the momentum. New videos every Wednesday. Don't forget to turn on your notifications for the channel and leave a comment, too!
Only 300 subscribers?? I’m about o binge your videos and will recommend you around. Best of luck, dude
EDHREC isn’t lying. They are just an accumulation of information of what people are doing. Gotta take that information and approach it critically.
I'm very impressed by the quality of this video! Fine tuned brewing and raw mtg! No political fluff lol got a sub my friend👍🏻
Honestly, I wish you all the good karma in the world in growing this channel. ive watched two of your videos so far and you think about deck making the same way i do. Your analytical breakdowns and reasoning is spot on... You had me at Most people dont like the term YOU WIN THE GAME lol.... many a salty night has ended with people who use those cards in the wrong setting lol...
anyways keep doing you brother..i really hope you get the rub of the algorithm and blow up because i could listen to you talk about deck building all day as it just felt like i was having my own brain talk out loud
much love
This really means a lot to me. My main goal of just putting out something that is ACTUALLY useful. As I think a lot of channels just shoot out basic recommendations without the "substance."
I really hope you stick around for my future videos. Cheers, friend.
@@Tempest-Official glad to hear that my friend. And yeah i kinda agree as entertaining as some channels are they really only scratch the bare min of deck building with actual play in mind... The fact you'll cut cards that are staples because they don't fit theme or synegise with a deck is absolutely wonderful. I'll stay tuned xx
this guy's deck techs are so high quality and intelligent, subscribed with the bell on!
You fixed the audio in this video compared to the video on Will lifegain, thank you. I love your vids, man
As someone building Will for CommandFest in less than a month, this video is extremely helpful. Love your breakdown, worthy of a sub and further listening. Great work.
Excellent. Watched every Will video it felt like everyone was building it wrong. Missing the importance of low pips and low cost spells. By far the best one. Really appreciate the overall in-depth analysis. Love the overall approach to the game. I’ve subscribed.
Your deck techs are a breath of fresh air when a lot of the other deck techs out there don’t really go into the same detail about individual card choices and the goals of the deck. A lot of them simply list card choices and at-a-glance info about them but otherwise don’t take into account the cost or color requirements or how well they work with the plan.
Over the years, I’ve come to take EDHRec’s scores with a grain of salt because while they seem to synergize on paper, they often don’t really gel together in practice and I wish more people realize this. Your consciously challenging those stats, and not just for the sake of challenging the stats but to make the deck better, is one of the things that won me over. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing more content from you!
Dude. This is amazing. How do you only have 500 subscribers?
Love all the thought and insight behind every card inclusion, hit the subscribe button! Thanks for the deck tech, keep it up!
You need more subscribers! Your videos are thorough and really help us understand why you played different cards, along with a good balance of mechanics! (Draw, Ramp, Lifegain, etc.)
Definitely subscribing for more :)
Best of luck with everything!
I pulled an anime Will from a pack, and I'm thinking of building it because it's a cheaper commander to build. I really enjoyed your insights and perspective. Thanks for the video.
My lessons learned building this deck: don’t run life gain doublers, nothing is worse than drawing them when you have no way to gain life. Also, the core to the deck is running 10-12 angels/flying life-link creatures preferably with 4 power or more. This means building around getting one of them out by turn 4 at the latest. Also run all the draw x spells, the quickest way the deck loses is by running out of steam. Limit the number of cards that don’t support getting out angels, drawing cards and protection. Finally, finale of revelation is the best card in this deck (assuming you aren’t playing extra turns etc) I don’t run tutors in the deck anymore because if I could get that card the game is basically over
5:21 you say that we can use Soul Warden effects to make use of instants and cost reduction. However, Will says that his tap ability can only be activated as a sorcery. It means that it's exclusively for comboing on your turn, unless I am missing something.
I couln't find any instant speed cost reduction through lifegain either. Are we missing something Kyle?
I really like that there is another Azorius commander making some waves. Hylda also looks pretty interesting to me but maybe less laser focused like Will, the Scion of Peace. I wanted to include him in my 99 but I realized I just already have SO MUCH convoke in my deck and not enough lifegain mechanics that it would actually be sorta BAD in my current fave Azorius deck...Having stuff like Flockchaser Phantom, Wand of the Worldsoul and Invasion of Segovia just give me SO MUCH convoke value on top of the fact that I'm running a mostly Human Soldiers or Human Soldier Token creators build so I will always have LOTS of easy ways to "cheat out" more expensive cards than I may have the actual mana rocks or lands for. As a Commander that you build around though, I can see how Will could be a devastatingly good and fun commander. Only problem I can see is that, people will KNOW your trick and will just try to mess up your commander with some sort of Enchantment that makes him perma tapped unless xyz happens or turn him into a frog with no abilities or what have you.
I actually built my deck a week before the set released. It is 4-0 in group play and 0-1 in 1v1. I absolutely love this deck, not only because I share a name with the commander, but because it's a problem. The 1v1 I lost was to atraxa infect, which is the worst scenario for Will. The only wincon I had was stormherd in those games. Mystical tutor is a key include.
I'm a bit late, but I ended up putting omniscience in my will deck and it goes quite nicely with The rest!
Can you please do Rowan Scion of War as well! Great video by the way I subscribed really enjoyed this content.
FINALLY, another Will scion deck tech video. It’s all about Rowan 💀
When at my lgs and we Rule Zero I ask them if they want me to “Come in Peace” (Will) or “Go in pieces” (Rowan).
Really they are screwed either way assuming the power level is matched.
The illusion of choice feeds me. Lol.
This deck tech was awesome, very insightful all around. Any interest in building a deck around Ovika, Enigma Goliath? I’m sure you could come up with something really cool
Funny enough, I actually already build an Ovika list! It is such a fun casual commander. I have been thinking of making a more "budget" spotlight for certain commanders and this one has been on my mind.
Also, Jim from the Spike Feeders has a list that was very interesting. I would check out the recent video from Elder Dragon Hijinks if you haven't already!
I've also seen that Edhrec suggests a lot of X spells that gain you life, but to be honest that is very counter intuitive. You want to use the X spells AFTER you have gained life. You should already have plenty of lifegain without that kind of effect.
If u would do the deck today, wich card should be autoinclude?
With Defenders of Humanity, does the cost reduction apply when you’re using it the second time? Or is that an activated ability?
Will specifies "spells you cast". So in this case, his cost reduction does NOT apply the later activated ability.
? i thought cost reduction could not reduce commander tax ever? have i been bamboozled?
Haha. You have been bamboozled. The commander tax is an ADDED cost to the spell which is added before any type of reduction.
So Will can in fact cost reduce himself.
@@Tempest-Official I KNEW IT. would have won the game too :D
I why tbh would we like to untap her? Her ability work the whole turn?
felidar sovereign is banned in edh. also, run mass manipulation over extra turns. x spell and way more effective and fun.
It's so strange in my playgroup. The other guys don't care if its a 4 card combo that goes infinite, they don't want to see ANYTHING go infinite.... meanwhile every card that says "win the game" sees play...
What happens if you have an artifact or enchantment that's a threat (most likely more than 3 mana) and that 1 mana white specific removal isn't as effective. Yeah you'll hit the sol ring or mana crypt, but you aren't stopping the actual threat and will lose.
I see where you are coming from. I will point out that we do include Generous Gift, Heliod's Intervention, Cyclonic Rift, Light of Hope, and of course the lucky offering you are referencing.
I didn't have time to include all of these in the video, but you will certainly have answers. But I think you as the deck builder have the agency to pick and choose which cards you want to include. If your specific group is heavier on the artifact/enchantment wins, then absolutely run more spot removal for those things. Either way. I hope you got something out of the video and thank you for watching/commenting!
@@Tempest-Official oh yes definitely, I'm interested in building this commander. It would be my first life gain deck. Definitely opened up my eyes to some stuff
Speaking of avoiding hate…(terrferi) I stopped running the life gain lands. You will ALWAYS be attacked 1st bc you have “the most life”
No tapped lands. That’s puts you behind with minimal benefit
I'm not an EDH player, so I won't be sub'ing, but I just wanted to say this is a really well done video and the polish you put on it really comes through.
I don't get why Felidar and other 'you win the game' wincons get the hate. I think they are extremely weak wincons, because they're slow, don't win you the game the same turn you deploy them. Like other colors do. In one turn, red burns you to death, Black drains you, Green deploys Behemoth, Blue can mill you out or win with the Oracle. But white must wait the whole rotation and people have plenty of ways to stop it - remove it, boardwipe, kill the player, drop the life total below 40... I never won with those wincons because my opponents were always able to kill it (despite protection) or kill me. While red/black/blue players often win out of nowhere.
Compare that with Rowan who can win extremely easily: If Rowan's out, you just cast life reducer and follow up with many many burn X spells or Exsanguinate/Torment of Hellfire...
I totally get it. Although I structure these videos to be as user friendly as possible, we can certainly miss the mark as we approach more competitive builds.
I would agree that in a competitive setting, those white win cons have their drawbacks.
Although those win cons don't bother me in the casual scene, I have seen plenty of upset people on the other end of the table.
i ever looking for other ways to play a deck. i started with a sphinxtribal on that commander Will. a few stax and low, but constat lifegain to make spinx cheaper. later i change to lifegain eldrazi-tribe