Patrick Mahomes is the Inevitable GOAT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
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Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same. Patrick Mahomes is inevitable. After Mahomes won his third Super Bowl in six seasons, many are now asking how he stacks up historically with "the people's GOAT" Tom Brady. The definitive breakdown of the two players' careers:
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The Brady stans are gonna be pissed about this one
We know Mahomes is great and that he'll be a HOFer even if his career ended today. We just find it cringey that people are already putting him over Brady and Montana when he still has a ways to go.
@@mattprssmn4 eye test matters ..it’s just a matter of time only
@mattprssmn4 did you even watch the video?
@@MikeKennedyNFL of course I did, and it was thorough. I'm just telling him that we're not pissed at what Mahomes is doing and that others (not you) are suddenly putting him on the GOAT pedestal too early.
@mattprssmn4 He's got more skill than Brady. More athletic, better improvisation, better arm, already two League MVPs, etc. Brady is great, has the most championships, but Mahomes is simply a better player on the field.
And if Brady had the decimated O-line Mahomes had in that Tampa Super Bowl, no way he runs over 400 yards behind the line of scrimmage trying to make something happen, attempting diving throws. Brady would have been sacked immediately.
Yall forgot SOMETHING brady like almost all the Time HAD A DEFENSE.
This was the FIRST YEAR mahomes really had a defense.
Let’s keep it reall he had a middle of the pack defence it’s the first year he has a top tier defence (1-5).
@@michelleblanc6377 Brady has almost never in his entire career had a defense lower than the top 5. Brady's first 3 rings are directly because of his defenses and kicker. Not a knock on Brady with that, he did what he had to do, but he wasnt known as the Brady he is today until his second stretch.
@@dalehammers4425 Never in 23 seasons had a defence that was not top 5. First if you said in his SB years and a top 10 I would say maybe. But what does it really change? You want to make the same insipid comment that you made on another one of my post that he won because of the kicker and the defence? Well let’s start at the beginning the 1st SB. He won during his rookie year as a starter this is something Mahomes failed to accomplish by the way. You do know that if he does not orchestrate a game winning drive to put Vinatieri in a FG position. They do not win. Period. You do realize that? For someone that pretends knowing football you seem to forget that during the SB against the Panthers early in the game Vinatieri actually screws up not one but two FG attempts early in the game before actually finally doing his job after Brady putting them again in FG position late in the game to seal the faith of that game. But yet you want to insist on the quality of the kicker? Do you want to insist on the quality of the defence during the game against Atlanta? Or during the Philadelphia/ Foles SB? Or the screwed up sack during the Tyree helmet catch? It is funny the Mahomes fans always forget to mention those.The same way they will not mention the lucky bounce that gave them a short TD against the Niners, the injuries to Greenlaw and Samuel or the missed PAT by the Niners kicker. But they will never forget to mention the Dee Ford penalty and the injured KC O-Line at SB LV. Tell me why you know what did not go your way but you always have no clue as to what did. As far as Brady’s defence goes considering how the KC season went this year and the way it might go in the future you will be hard pressed to find another argument because KC defence is going to be just as good as the Patriots was. Will we have to start saying Mahomes wins because of the defence?
The first time I watched Mahomes play in his first starting season, I knew I was witnessing something special, something we have never seen before. Just like Mike, he made you stop and stare, slack-jawed and awestruck, amazed at what you were seeing. Chief's fan or not, it doesn't matter. Patrick Mahomes has done things, and is doing things that the game hasn't ever seen.... and its NOT OVER...
The point about the era difference not making up the difference in how far ahead mahomes' numbers are is vert important and spot on.
Show someone who doesn't know football highlights of Brady and Mahomes and watch the comparative reactions. It's not close. Even to a disinterested observers Mahomes looks to them like he's on another (higher) level.
I'd love to think that (edited) status was to add (higher). I can dream
Yeah someone who doesn’t know football might 😂
@-PURPLE-HEAD Ironic considering based in your other comment, you’re judging individual players solely on team stats 😂
Inevitable is truly the perfect word to describe where Mahomes is heading. He's well on his way to being the 🐐 and honesty doesn't even need to win 7 rings to be called it. If he gets 5 rings with the potential of winning his 4th from a 3-peat, continues to put up stats, and win MVPs hell be seen as THE standard and the 🐐.
When he 3peats this year its a lock.
Hands down the greatest use of stats by anyone making the case for Mahome's claim to the thrown, including Nick Wright.
IMPRESSIVE!
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Ayeeeeee the Thanos line lmao crazy I thought the EXACT SAMETHING BRO after they won ….that one and when he was waiting on Ironman Cap and Thor and he told them “ you can not live with your own failure, and where did that bring you ? BACK TO ME ….. then proceeded to kick their ass lmao
Great spotlight on Mahomes's career thus far. I'm a 49ers fan, and even though this guy has ripped my heart out twice, he's certainly on an unprecedented pace. I'll always take Joe Montana if I could have one QB for any game, but objectively speaking Mahomes' greatness can't be denied. The only pushback I'd give to crowning him so early is that he certainly has some advantageous playing in the era that he does. I do wonder how well he'd be able to hold up if he was playing in a rougher era like the 80's or 90's even if he was on as good as a team as the Chiefs are now. We'll never know, but like with all of modern quarterbacks that thought crosses my mind. If Mahomes does the impossible this upcoming season by getting a three-peat, I'd probably be ready to anoint him as the best to ever do it. I feel like that's more impressive than 7 overall rings over 20 seasons.
All facts
Patrick Mahomes is on his way to be one of the greatest. I mean 6 six straight AFC Championship Games. 5 of them straight in Arrowhead
He already is one of the greatest.
Mahomes' worst season is an AFCCG OT loss... twice. Thats the furthest he's ever been from a SB.
Freezing Buffalo? I bet that game felt almost tropical to the chiefs-dolphins game.
The game was played at 25° F. The freezing temperature is 32° F. Thanks for playing.
@@MikeKennedyNFLI don’t believe the OP was being pedantic about your use of the word, freezing. They were simply making a lighthearted joke about the Chiefs playing the 4th coldest game in NFL history the week before, so the game in Buffalo probably seemed positively balmy.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192true
The league has no idea how close 15 is to 5-6 titles already. An offsides by Dee Ford, an inexplicable half against Cincy, and 3 dropped TDs against Tampa. The Chiefs roll the Rams in the 2 they missed and if those 3 TDs are caught in the Tampa game..... the Chiefs might just win that one too.
I like to compare Brady and Mahomes to Kareem and MJ
Brady/Kareem- 7/6 rings, broke a bunch of records due to longevity, boring but effective play style Brady was the check down king and Kareem had the old man sky hook. Both won the majority of their rings not being the main contributor.
Mahomes/MJ- by MJ’s 3rd ring people were already saying he’s probably the GOAT, was dominating the league in scoring and was extremely clutch in the 4th quarter just like Mahomes. MJ/Pat have a very exciting play style doing things we haven’t seen before. Yea there are guys like Allen, Stafford, Jackson with exciting play styles just like Wilkins, Clyde Drexler, and Barkley but just like Pat Jordan stopped all those guys from winning rings.
The final similarity is Kareem was crowned the GOAT shortly after retiring only to lose it to MJ just a few short years later. I already feel like Pat is the GOAT but if he 3 peats he cements it.
Great video…analytics and facts beats Brady fans “feelings”
The fact is Brady has more
Very thorough. :)
For me, Brady is the goat because he played well enough to win a lot of SBs, and did it while lasting for so long. All Mahomes has to do so surpass him is to last. (Threepeat might work too)
Might? No one has ever threepeated and if Mahomes is able to do that we are talkin long 8 seasons, 7 afc appearances (straight), 5 afc Championships, 4 Superbowls, 4 mvps, 2 regular season MVP and the first ever three peat….might? Dude you smokin lol
@@tom97009 Threepeat vs great performance and SB win at 40. Which is more impressive? That is why I said might
@@diamondrg3556Threepeat over 40 year old Super Bowl win for sure that tampa team was a unit and.
I won't stop saying it. Mahomes is the GOAT. Jordan was universally recognized as the GOAT with just 3 rings. In my eyes 3 rings are enough to deem Mahomes as the GOAT.
I agree but if he 3 peats he cements it.
@@cjboyer4355 I was gonna say this and you beat me to it lol.
This is the perfect video to rebuke all the haters who claim Mahomes is overrated..
He's already the GOAT in my eyes after this past season
Great video man. Keep preaching the good word
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Good commentary!
This video is spot on! The problem i always have with the era conversation with numbers is that there WAS guys throwing for big numbers.......so when you look at brady not doing it its really on him. What was stopping brady from making big plays and compiling passing stats? Nothing. He just wasnt good enough to do it early on in his career and Mahomes bottom line.
Brady became the player we knew him as, Mahomes started that way and is only getting better.
Tom Brady was the most _successful_ quarterback in NFL history; Patrick Mahomes is already the _best_ quarterback in NFL history (and on a good pace to become the most successful as well). If the numbers in this video don't bear it out well enough, the eye test is more than clear: Mahomes has hours worth of tape of plays Brady could never make even in his most athletic state, and he's just beginning his own prime. We shall see how long he has Reid and Kelce by his side, or whether that has any bearing whatsoever on his future success.
We are re-building...
The scary part is that we actually are lol.
⚠ Warning ⚠
Doubting the Chiefs has been shown by the state of Missouri to carry the following side effects:
1. Winning seasons by the the Chiefs.
2. Lamar Hunt Trophies returned home.
3. Lombardi Trophies not seen by other NFL teams for years at a time.
4. MVP seasons for Chiefs QB's.
5. Super Bowl Rings given to Chiefs players during "rebuild" years.
See your coach if you experience any of the following: poor performance by other NFL teams, lost games by other AFC West teams, belief in other QB's being better, death of your teams payoff berth, chronic ref blaming and / or bitterness towards Taylor Swift and/or her groupies.
Do not consume alcoholic beverages while doubting the Chiefs. Do not doubt the Chiefs while pregnant or breastfeeding, as this could lead to your child becoming a bitter Raider's or Bengal's fan and / or applying double standards to Mahomes and another "great" quarterback (Lamar, Allen, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Tua, etc.)
Mahomes won the SB with one leg. He won with no number one WR. 😅 He even won when the chiefs defense wasn’t that good. 😂 some stat can’t measure greatness
He’s my QB!! ❤❤❤❤
Mike's right that it'd be unfair to compare Tom's whole career to Pat's current one, but in one significant way, it's unfair to Tom. It's longer, but let's call Tom's career as lasting 21 years, because then it's easy to see that with seven rings, he averaged one every three years. In his six-year career, however, Mahomes has won three, which averages to one ring every *other* year. That's a glaring difference, easy for even a 5th grader to see. Just goes to show that a well-trained, well-organized statistical set can say anything you want it to say.
Mic drop ✋ 🎤 #gochiefs
@6:27 in all NFL history, this is one of the most painful plays to watch
Any time people tell me Brady beat Mahomes in SB LV as an argument in favor of Brady, I concede the point, then ask the question "Who is the only player who's play from SB LV still gets mentioned today because of how amazing it was?"
The chiefs wrs were a different kind of terrible that superbowl
Hill lost us so many games that people dont even wanna talk about it. We advance to the SB the Cincy year if not for Hill deflecting the ball off his chest to the defender, we were driving fast and hard in OT and he lost it for us. We'd likely be talking about Mahomes's 4th ring this year instead of third.
Mahomes is like years of radio at this point in his career, the patriots don’t wanna hear it, but it’s there the numbers don’t lie
"Rashee Rice didn’t develope as expected...." I had to stop the video right there. The best rookie receiver Andy Reid has ever had. The narrator mis-spoke.
Nope, you misheard. Listen to it again, bub. JFC.
I'm fine with the three peat but every brady has it's peyton (Josh Allen is NOT the peyton in the slightest)
@@404DecadeNotAvailable Yeah, Allen is more like Jackson too, elite and terrifying regular season, utterly collapses in the playoffs. People like to mention all of the stats for Allen in the playoffs EXCEPT his turnovers lol.
Patrick Mahomes Is The Only Quarterback In NFL History
Duck Hodges erasure
Patrick Mahomes got washed in the Super Bowl he couldn't even score a touchdown pass
bro said “score a touchdown pass” 💀
@@mikewaters4363Do you know why that is ? Apparently the pressure he faced in that Super Bowl with no oline starters was insane, you can plug in any QB and they aren’t winning that it was just an unfortunate situation.
Give Rice some credit! as a rookie he led our WR in yards (which admittedly is a pretty low bar). However he was the only receiver that Mahomes could at least somewhat rely on in most games, and he had a really good playoff run especially the Miami game. The guy didn't even bobble a pass in -40 degree weather.
You might want to listen to that part over again 👀
I was referring to “he didn’t develop as expected”. I thought you meant this in a negative way. I suppose different isn’t the same as bad.
@d.s.3268 No, listen to it again. I said everybody “SANS” Rashee Rice. Meaning everybody but him.
WTYM, Rashee Rice did not develop as expected? Do you mean that he exceeded the expectations or you don't know that Rashee Rice had a great rookie season especially under Andy Reid offense
Listen again, bud. Or at the very least, read the other comments before making your own.
There is NO WAY Mahomes had just 9 yards after the 1st QTR of the Superbowl. He hit Kelce for a 20 yd crosser alone on the final drive before over time.
Uhh… who is saying he did?
We need to see how he adjusts his game in hia 30s and if he can play very long into his late 30s. We also need to see him do it without kelce and reid
Really? Brady went to a stacked team in Tampa AND brought Gronk and Antonio Brown with him.
Y’all love to keep pushing the goal post back for Mahomes when it comes to Brady. We don’t need or want your approval though because Brady himself, will have to acknowledge Patrick’s greatest on air real soon. That will be a fitting end to this debate once and for all!!!
@@99grundy tbf he makes a great point. Not about the coach but Brady had not that good of offensive powers for his first 3 SB wins while Mahomes has had Kelce throughout. Now Im not saying Mahomes isnt great.
-Where Brady lacked in offense he gained in offense
-Where Mahomes lacked in defense he gained in offense
I believe that Mahomes is a BETTER qb but Brady is the GREATER qb alot of people dont know the difference between that though.
If Mahomes 3peats he will undoubtably be top 2 and Montana can not be in that conversation anymore BUT what will make him the undisputed goat is if he wins one without Andy Reid. oh also Kelce is getting older and isnt as good as he once was so winning without kelce doesnt matter as he has had to do more without him recently
@@ariiciHow about if he plays & wins the Super Bowl with a Pop Warner team, would that be enough for you? I don’t know of any top 5 all-time player that hasn’t played with great receivers, tight ends, defense or head coach. Pat won this Super Bowl with scrubs at receiver. Guys that probably wouldn’t even make the team at other clubs, maybe not even the practice squad. His receiver #1 was a rookie, 2nd rounder & as a unit, they led the league in dropped passes. Take ANY Super Bowl winning team & there’ll be 3 or 4 reasons why they got there. You can’t say, “put him on the worst team, with the worst coach & let’s see if he can do it.” Of course he couldn’t. NO ONE could. It’s just moving the goal posts at this point. Pat won with the kind of team Tom had at the very beginning. Top defense, great coach & a few good to very good supporting cast.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 bro chill. I think what Mahomes has done is more impressive but if he is to be undisputed goat he needs to win with another team and/or coach
To be fair Brady was never considered the goat in his first 6 years, he was largely labeled a system quaterback in the 2000s. Brady goat stock did not go parabolic until 2007 and continued to rise into his 40s.Lets see how Mahomes fights father time as he ages. It's not a sprint,it's a marathon.
Saying that Rishi Rice did not develop as expected is a crime. Fantastic video though. Go chiefsfsfsfs!!!!
You may want to re-watch that part. I said everyone “sans” Rashee Rice.
At this point the only thing that's gonna stop Mahomes is a team assembling the best defense of all time and then playing nothing but pure man coverage every time they meet
Bro ravens defense is one of the best ever
Take away his O-line, it worked for the Bucs. Tbh, if his recievers didn't drop those passes, he probably would've won that SB too. Crazy.
@@ACU_misfit it worked for the bucs because of 2nd/3rd string on all oline positions
@@ariici uh, that's what I stated. He was running for his life that whole game. And people wanna put that L on him. Smh.
@@ACU_misfit ooh ok myb but yea bro was running and still made plays but WR dropped all of them
He IS the 🐐
Only one thing wrong with this video. It was Sky Moore who didn't pan out, NOT RASHEE RICE.
Only thing wrong with this comment is that you COMPLETELY misunderstood what I said. Please re-watch that part of the video and come back to me.
I love my city
Brady is Bill Russell
Brady Mahomes and Thanos are all goated
“Rashee Rice didn’t pan out like he was supposed to” wait, huh? 😮
You may need to listen to that part over again, bud
@@MikeKennedyNFL yeah, ig so lol 😆
I know what I’ve seen and no Brady fan with convince me he’s not the GOAT
Do not let Nick Wright of 'First Things First' see this video.
Mahomes may not be The Goat,, But,, He is A Goat!! for sure!!
Yet!!
Here is another feather for your cap... the Chiefs are the only team Brady has a losing record against.
Also, when Mahomes 3peats this year, the debate is officially over.
BRUH SERIOUSLY CAN THIS GUY GET TO 10YRS ?! EVEN AFTER YR 20 BRADY WASNT THE GREATEST.. THE GUY IN YR 6 IS THO RIGHT? IM DEAD
Caps lock broken, bub?
@@MikeKennedyNFL yes bruv
Montana 4 and 0. Beat 2 all time greats in the SB 1 MVP and a multiple all Pro. And threw 0 ints in the SB. Mahomes Beat Hurts, Jimmy G and Brock Purdy. Not exactly Marino or Elway
Damn. So strange that I never knew that football was a 1v1 game between QBs. The more you know!
@@MikeKennedyNFL QBs are responsible for winning.
@@sionrouge1697 Me when I think Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino 🤥
@@MikeKennedyNFL Marino retired with all of the passing records when He left the game. Of course the only exception is He never won the SB. That's only because Joe Cool out dulled him. One thing is I don't try to sway people's Views I simple provide facts. If Trent walked in a room with Dan NOBODY would know who He was
Mahomes winning 3 so early is amazing. BUT when you evaluate who He beat it's lackluster. He beat 2 guys who can't read defenses and a guy who was selected last in the NFL draft.
Zip it up when ur done 😂
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@@MikeKennedyNFL That's MR. JANUARY to you!
Fwiw, I thought Josh should have won MVP this year
these fans actually believing Patrick is the goat. Deluded
Not yet(goat if we aren’t including full careers) but if he continues this success he will have Brady beat in everything probably 🤷🏽♂️like the title says “inevitable”.
So we not gonna talk about Tom Brady beating Mohomes 2 times in his 40's while Mahomes was and still is at that age where quarterbacks reach their prime. There are so many other factors why Tom is still the GOAT but yall youngins jump out of your set after he won 2 champtionships in a row. *cough* *cough*. Tom did that too. RELAX. Yall also think he the GOAT because he has terrible wr. So did Tom eldalmen wasen't even that good of a player. He just gets overrated because yes, he was catching footballs.BUT most of the time it was just Tom Brady throwing dimes. So Tom Brady has the same wr problem like Mahomes does right now. Also Tom won his first Superbowl in just his SECOND SEASON!!! Mahomes toke a minute to get one. Even with amazing talent. Hill, Kelce, amazing a line, good D line. Decent defence. and he still couldn't win for 3 years. While Tom did it in 2 with EXTREMLILY worse talent . There are way more points but we will be here all day. SOOOOO. Tom still the G.O.A.T, relax youngsters Mahomes still got alot of work to do. Ill consider him a treat to the new G.O.A.T spot if he wins 3 championships in a row
Congratulations on being the dumbest Tom Brady fanboy alive. It truly is an achievement.
Tom's first 3 rings were because of his defense and his kicker... not because of him.
@@Zxvix Technically 3rd, 2nd as a starter.
@@Zxvix He's actually won more Super Bowls than he's missed playing in lol.
One of the dummest comments from a Brady fan i have ever read
lmao the dumbest debate currently in sports mahomes had one of his rings handed to him by the refs (super bowl against the eagles) even then buddy got 4 more rings to catch up to tommy's legacy inevitable is laughable
The irony in this statement is just laughably absurd.
Also, “Tommy” didn’t win his fourth ring until he was 37 years old. Pat is 28. “lmao.”
@@MikeKennedyNFL ok your point lmao mahomes been cake walked to his rings by the refs and kyle's boneheaded 2nd half playcalling and even with that logic mahomes aint the goat I can name 3 better qbs hes top 5 tho
Alright lmao. Unless it’s Kings-Lakers or Heat-Mavs, I don’t argue with tinfoil hat people who blame everything on the refs. Good day.
@@MikeKennedyNFL good way to admit your wrong.. good day mahomes glazer fanboy.
Once again, the irony here is astounding. Good day.
nah
Convincing.
can’t crown someone the goat after 8 seasons 😂 mahomes may be already the second best of all time but he still has to play consistently for another decade before surpassing brady. recency bias is a killer
They've already made up their mind on this video. Try telling them the debate is actually already over the OTHER direction. Opening line goes harder that way
Found the guy who didn’t even watch the video 🫣
Can’t crown a twice proven cheater a goat unless you’re a 🤡
@@kevinjamesmartin4307yes I made up my mind. One cheated and one didn’t
You dont have to have that long of longevity to be the best ever... most accomplished sure, but Brady fans seem to confuse the 2.
Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT of his time. He’s not surpassing Brady. Brady beat him twice in the playoffs and Brady played against actual talent in a way harder league
I thought about mentioning that H2H argument in the video but decided against it since it is literally the most braindead take a person can have. And Brady had some of the best luck in terms of easy playoff roads the league has ever seen: 2011 Broncos, 2016 Osweiler Texans, 2017 Titans, 2020 Washington, etc. All those teams had negative DVOA. As shown in the video, the road the 2023 Chiefs went on was statistically the most difficult ever.
Brady beat him twice? Lmfao. So Flacco and Eli are better than Brady? Mahomes is better than Brady and you can choose any year of bradys career. Any year. Stop the bullshit. Tampa beat mahomes when he had no Oline and if they played by the new overtime rules in that AFC Championship game, Mahomes definitely wouldve won that. You Brady stans are laughable.
Brady is 1-3 against Mahomes in regular season. Do those games not count? Do they not matter? Did Brady not want to win? Just stop.
The brady beat mahomes take is a very very stupid take. The one sport you cannot use takes like that when comparing individual players is football
If you claim the league is easier it's actually harder to win because anybody can win in the harder league the best team wins think about that
not even better than montana
lol. Lmao even.
lmao
bro already is tied for MVPS and has more SB mvps LMFAOO
facts lmao