My wife's boyfriend put this on for me to watch in the living room while they have bible study upstairs. It's very loud and rhythmic and creaky but the lord works in mysterious ways. Thank you Jesus, and thank you Barry.
I still play Madden 20 and in my franchise, the Rans are a dynasty with the greatest dual threat QB ever named Logan Donaldson, he has 8 rings and won 12 MVPS in 19 seasons.
If Mahomes retired right now he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. The next 10 years, I’m sure he will put up numbers worthy of another Hall of Fame career
I agree with this. However, Brady put up three HOF worthy careers within 1. His first rings I’m with the Patriots (2001-2005), his undefeated regular season and Super Bowl attempts (2009-2013), and the rest of his rings (2014-2023). Man was an absolute monster.
@@sijdnsd6460I mean Mahomes could end up doing the same. The biggest question comes to his longevity and whether he’ll be able to continue to adapt as he begins to lose his athletic peak after 30.
Barry, only the bravest American hero would challenge Brady’s GOAT status like you do. It’s truly inspirational I just need to hide this video from my wife’s BF for the next 30 minutes, as he’s a HUGE Brady fan
For me it's the playoff stats that separate him. 15-3, 41:8 TD:INT ratio, 5135 yards, 67.9% completion % and an absurd 5 4th quarter comebacks and 6 game winning drives. He's 28 and his career playoff stat line is basically equivalent to an MVP caliber regular season. Not even mentioning that 2 of his 3 losses came at the hands of Tom Brady and in one of those losses he didn't even get a chance to answer in OT.
Mahomes is the Montana of the 2020s 1. Most wins of the decade compared to his peers 2. Two Super Bowl wins against the same team (ouch😞) 3. Greatest offensive mastermind of the era as his coach 4. Has an all time great defensive coordinator that knows how to maximize DB play.
I don’t know about you, but this past season’s Chiefs team reminds me of the 1988 Niners. I don’t recall anyone calling them the best team in the regular season, but they stepped it up in the playoffs and won it all. Side note: The Vikings were the team that arguably played the best regular season in 1988, and if not for the Steve Young run, the Vikings team that allowed it goes to a Super Bowl in my book.
99.9999% have no personal connection with Brady whatsoever. I think it's more Mahomes jock sniffers that are saying Mahomes had the greater career. Not yet. Probably in the future, but not yet. 7 SB wins is more than 3 from when I last checked. That has nothing to do with me liking Brady. It's just the facts. Mahomes will win more than 2 more super bowls. When he wins 2 more, I think it needs to be discussed. But for now...nope. Let time takes it's course. Brady and Mahomes both had 3 super bowls at the same age. Brady isn't the slouch some people think he is. He won a super bowl with another team other than the Pats. Mahomes hasn't yet.
need to see if Mahomes can win 2 superbowl while scoring 13 or less points to be the GOAT and have the QB throw a SB losing int at the goal line ONLY THEN WILL HE BE THE GOAT
@@kevlark3184 that’s how I felt at the end of this video lol. Great video all to end with Mahomes has to get 8 rings to be the GOAT….. what? Did the goal post move all of a sudden?
Mahomes had a 15yard TD drive in 4QTs in the super bowl Butker and his defense won him that game yes OT drive was great but never happens wo the special teams and defense
Mariano is an all time great that forever changed the game but if we’re being honest the fact that he never won a superbowl holds him back from the goat conversation
His early seasons, especially 84, are off the charts, but his numbers kinda fell off after that. Still way above average for the time, but not unbelievable.
Elway's one of those "You had to be there" type of QBs. Those stats don't look impressive because they're not, but at the same time he was dragging what were fairly mediocre teams to the Super Bowl 3 times in 4 years. Fans of the time saw what he was doing. It just didn't convey particularly well to paper.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Dude, I'm 48, I was there. I know how great he was by the eye test. It was Elway/Marino/Montana in the same way it was Brady/Manning/Rodgers. I'm not doubting his eliteness, but it's a shame that his numbers didn't reflect his talent. It's also really obvious why he despised Dan Reeves 😂😂😂
Yeah there's a reason why Kirk Cousins has put up HOF worthy numbers in this era despite the fact he would've been at best a career back up in Elway/Marino's prime. You can't play defense anymore. Back then if a WR is fast you just punch him in the mouth at the LOS 30 times a game and he goes home with 2 catches for 17 yards.
In 84 the Broncos had the #2 defense and Elway threw a game losing INT against Pittsburg,in 87 he went to the SB because of a game saving turnover, and in 89 the broncos had the leagues' best defense while elway had as many TDs as INTs. Furthermore, in 91, his pick-6 against the bills in the AFCCG proved to be the difference in a 10-7 game, causing reeves to draft Maddox the next year. If anything, Elway was the one who got carried. @@JonSmith-hk1bq
@@alexsolimani Brady played mostly in the 2000s and 2010s and had to face way tougher defenses, Ravens defenses in the 2000s were nasty, had to play the Jets two times every year with Revis Island, No Fly Zone in the playoffs, Legion of Boom, etc. Also rules back then were more lax on the defense, and Brady still threw for 50 TDs in 2007 and led one of the greatest single seasons for a team in NFL history. All superstars are protected to some degree but Mahomes has been pampered more than any other QB in history. Just look at the running play against the Dolphins in the Wild Card where three guys didn't dare to tackle him and just let him run without any resistance
Pretty stupid to compare any of the qbs in this video to Mahomes. You have QBs that actually had to be afraid of defense knocking the actual shit out of their players and themselves, and then Mahomes in which there are literal moments that he runs toward a defender and the defender decides to tackle another player. Can’t compare the qbs considering how different it is now
Tyrod Taylor 2015: 63.7% 3’035 yards. 8 yds/attempt 20 TD 6 INT 99.4 QBR. 568 yds rush 5.5 yards per carry 4 TDs. 1 fumble lost. Lamar 2023: 67.2% comp 3,678 yards 8.0 avg yards per throw 24 TD 7 INT 64.7 QBR . 821 yds rushing 5.5 avg per rush 2 fumbles lost. Note: his defense gave up 120+ less points. 2015 bills were a run first team. Kinda scary how close his #s were to a career backup and he was unanimous MVP despite Allen having 15 more TDS and more passing yards and similar rushing . But alas we all know mccaffery was the true 2023 MVP
I have a theory. Late round picks are more likely to win a lot of superbowls than first overall picks. To be a first overall pick the team sucks. If you're a late pick who is a good qb it means your team doesn't suck and you have a skilled gm at putting togethor good teams. It takes skill to pick a talented qb late in the first round. Even your average Joe can draft a good qb with the first round pick.
Out of curiosity, I did a quick count. 27 QBs have been taken with the first pick of the draft. 7 of them won Super Bowls. 6 of those 7 won at least two Super Bowls. Note: There are only 13 QBs in history who have won two Super Bowls. 16 Super Bowls titles between them accounting for 27.5% of all Super Bowl wins. As to the theory that late-round QBs are more likely to win the SB: 7 QBs taken after the 3rd round (or in the case of Kurt Warner, went undrafted) have won a Super Bowl. 3 of them won multiple Super Bowls. 14 Super Bowl titles between them account for 24.1% of Super bowls. Brady accounts for half those wins.
Yo Barry I started watching your channel for the nba content. This year I finally started following the nfl properly and you’ve been a huge help to me. I rly appreciate it man. I’ve even inherited your Tom Brady hatred 😂 I’m from London so I’ve only rly been tapped into the most famous nfl storylines and I remember picking the Miami dolphins as my nfl team in 2014 only because I liked the jerseys 😅 but now I’m a full fledged fan and that’s largely down to your content ❤
One thing that isn’t mentioned enough in the Mahomes vs. Brady argument is just how much better the AFC is now then it was when Brady was in his prime. The only QBs Brady had to worry about preventing him from getting to a Super Bowl were Manning, Roethlisberger and once Flacco. Mahomes is going up against Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Herbert, Tagovailoa, Stroud, Lawrence and Rodgers now too (if he is healthy). Mahomes path to Super Bowls is seems much harder now than what Brady dealt with.
Brady still had the better qbs in his era and whether or not he faced them in the afc, still had to cross paths with them eventually. None of those you mentioned were better than Peyton.. big ben was better than most of those too. On top of that, his last run he took out Brees, Rodgers the mvp, and mahomes the reigning sb mvp. That's an insane run!
Thank you Barry for uploading. I, a seabird fan was watching my annual Super Bowl 49 showing (what does not kill me makes me stronger) and Barry saved me with his upload. I am safe from Malcum Buttler.
I was a huge Brady Stan for years and even defended him from the Aaron Rodgers goat case but Mahomes is different he has everything incredible stats multiple mvps multiple super bowls and even carried a disappointing chiefs team to a Super Bowl win while being underdogs every round he’s quickly becoming undeniable
You'd have to be nuts to think Rodgers is the GOAT. One Super Bowl ring, one appearance...the man hasn't even played in more than one! Brady has seven more SB wins and ten times as many appearances. Mahomes is the ONLY guy who can dethrone Brady.
Anyone with eyes can see that Mahomes is what AAron should have been. I still think Rodger’s is the best pure passer I’ve ever seen, but how much is that worth in the postseason
To me personally, Mahomes has to do something no one has done. either 3 straight seasons winning the Super bowl or going 20-0. it’s not abt the rings either it’s abt the quality of the title runs
Well he got injured dislocated his knee and won the super bowl. He played his second super bowl win when he was on one leg and he just won again with basically nobody to receive the ball except for Travis Kelce. So his super bowl runs are all legendary bro
Strongly disagree about Montana. I actually do completely agree that Mahomes is likely to finish ahead of Montana, but your argument here is just a little bit too reliant on projection, and I personally believe that we have to evaluate active players as if they were going to retire tomorrow for the purposes of GOAT discussions. If Mahomes retired tomorrow, he might have the SLIGHT edge on Montana’s regular season career, but Montana is still ahead by a greater margin in post-season play and success. Like I said, I feel very confident that he’ll get there, but I absolutely hate the idea of giving active players credit for stuff they haven’t done yet. You get to be the GOAT when and only when you’ve earned it. Also, RE: the Brady section of this video, given his style of play, I’m not sure Mahomes maintains this level of play for more than another 10 years. It’s possible, but, given his raw athleticism, it just seems like an inevitability that he’s going to take a bad hit on the run at SOME point in the next decade that sets him on a gradual decline. The kind of hit that guys like Brady rarely took, because they were such boring stereotypical pocket passers. TBH, I view Mahomes as a more talented and luckier Rodgers. He’s absolutely got the skills and mentality to unseat Brady and Montana, but there is so much more that can go wrong for a QB like him that, over the course of an entire career, it just seems like a statistical inevitability that he’s going to have a much shorter career with a much more gradual and progressive decline than Brady. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong (because, fuck Brady, amirite), but he doesn’t get credit for what he MIGHT do any more than Rodgers gets credit for what he SHOULD HAVE done.
People used to say Andrew Luck was like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers combined. In spite of his last name Andrew had anything but good luck and had his career robbed. But anyway, that comparison is how I'd describe Mahomes as well, and we're actually seeing it play out this time
I wouldn’t be mad at it. He definitely has a great argument now if he hasn’t already. Barry’s video actually got me into looking at football highlights, so it’s fun to look historical videos like this 😎 Also, 11:00 made me bust out laughing because this is the Barry we all know and love!
If he 3peats before turning 30 there won’t even be a conversation. I have never felt more confident betting on anyone else. Thanos is here ladies and gentlemen
@@HoonTurd it’ll always come down to. He got his ass kicked in the Super Bowl against Tom Brady that would be like if LeBron James and Michael Jordan played whoever won the finals would be consider the greatest.
Upon hearing Barry's audible call to switch to Mahomes I jumped out of my chair in excitement and high-fived my wife's boyfriend. I knew that Mahomes could dethrone the carried Brady legacy and we have all witnessed history today. Thank you Barry!
Tom Brady played in a much more brutal nfl. Its not even close. Now in the protect the QB league? Sure, but there's a big difference dropping back knowing the defense can't touch you and dropping back knowing the defense can kill you. Patrick would have to win 10 sb and throw for 60 td and single digit int to be in the conversation. Plus Brady had to play against manning in the playoffs. A goat vs goat type of thing. Its a high bar.
And who’s Mahomes trying to out duel on the other side? Brady had his bugaboo’s against Peyton in the AFC championship games, Brees and Peyton faced off in the SB, Brady went against Kurt Warner, Farve went against Elway, Rogers went against Big Ben. In the just the playoffs in the AFC it was always Rivers, Ben, Brady, Peyton. NFC you had Farve, Warner, Rogers, Brees, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Eli. Guys who made SB’s, won SB’s, won MVP’s. Mahomes is the best QB in an era that’s pass friendly and not loaded with elite QB talent outside of 3-4 guys including him. What we saw in the late 90’s thru the mid 2010’s in terms of QB play was legendary. We just watched Joe Flacco of all people make a playoff run, and that’s really all that needs to be said about the state of the position today. Other than Mahomes, there’s nobody in the league right now that really can hold a candle to the guys I just named and in my eyes that holds significant weight
@@semp36445 If Brady could put Doug Gabriel in the pro Bowl he can do the same with you. Brady so good he can find guys open that don't even exist. He's that good.
@@semp36445 remember when Brady smashed Patrick in the sb at the age of 85? That's the thing. Brady has already beat Patrick in his forties. Imagine a 25 y/o brady. 😳
Brady’s two playoff wins over Mahomes are huge. Had they gone the other way, it’s likely Brady and Mahomes would be tied now at 5 rings apiece, but since Brady won both affairs, Mahomes still needs 4 rings in order to catch up to him. Edit: JFC people, all I was saying was that Brady’s 2 playoff wins over Mahomes were important for their legacies. I wasn’t taking Brady’s side in the argument or anything. Mahomes is still young so him surpassing Brady is still possible, but it’s crazy that if Mahomes won those two games he’d already be caught up to Brady. That’s literally all I was saying ffs
One playoff win mahommes had a completely new offensive line and threw better dropped passes than the buccaneers threw completed and the other Brady got nervous and threw a stupid pick that was saved by a penalty
I'm not saying Brady didn't beat Mahomes twice fair and square, but I am saying that Dee Ford has single-handedly done more for TB's legacy in one play than Randy Moss ever did
I’m a biased Chiefs fan but Mahomes is the 🐐. Brady had a 10 year stretch where he didn’t win a Super Bowl including the 07 team that choked away a perfect record. Mahomes still has a long career ahead of him and I think he will only get better the next few years.
@@nickdram The bigger issue is for years until Brady won with the Bucs at 43 everyone said "It was a all Belichick", even though Belichick had won 1 playoff game without Brady. When Mahomes played amazing his first year the exact opposite occurred, "Mahomes got by Reid's terrible time management and won!" Yet Brady outside of Moss for 2 years never had a WR close to the explosiveness that Mahomes had with Hill. Also, his entire career he's been with arguably the best TE ever in Kelce. Point being is, the excuses used to minimize Brady's success don't seem to fall on Mahomes's shoulders that's why people clown and say "It's all Andy Reid". Mind you Reid did make Donavon McNabb an MVP candidate and all 3 of Smith's PB appearances were under Reid. Plus after taking a 2-14 KC team, he flipped the script and brought them too the playoff's in 1 year. Reid is a solid coach and an offensive minded one at that. Shouldn't that hurt Mahomes more than BB for Brady who was solely defensive minded? Regardless, it is fun watching Mahomes and if he keeps this up for another 10 years there won't be much of an argument.
I wonder where Otto Graham would have landed if he played in the Super Bowl era. Dude was like the Babe Ruth of football in terms of dominance before the modern era.
Similar thing with Sid Luckman. Not their fault that they played in earlier generations of the game, but it’ll always be something people bring up against them.
I love how everything everyone tries to call Brady like a check down merchant and being carried by the defense is exactly what Mahomes is 🤣🤣 Brady owes that fraud
@@TinyCat1015 not knocking I’m pointing out the double standard. If this was Brady’s run this superbowl that’s all the narrative would be is “carried by the defense” but with Mahomes it’s “goat”
The thing I dislike about saying QBs face each other is that they really don't. They play against the other teams Defense, there's no LEGITIMATE way to say Brady is better simply because the team scored more points against the Chiefs defense than Mahomes did against his. The eye test alone says Mahomes is the better of the two. BUT I do agree that Mahomes still has a ways to go to truly top him as the GOAT.
@@aceassn716 Joe Montana had a passer rating of 86.9 with 5,824 yards, 34 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in 27 games without Jerry Rice in his career Very good but not elite?
😂😂😂 So good!!! Let's not forget, it wasn't just Dee Ford's toe. That same drive was saved for Brady after a roughing the passer when Chris Jones touched him on the shoulder
At first I was frustrated that the Chiefs are making a dynastic run. But then I realized the could be the only team to dethrone the Patriots dynasty. Without the controversy and cheating. So long live the Chiefs & Mahomes!
@@curtisedmonds9933I’m not sure what he said, but to your point, Brady got out scored twice by his kicker in the superbowl. Personally I do find it difficult to outright call mahomes the goat even though I want to, but I think it’s convenient that Brady has some Super Bowl wins that are more on the weaker side. I would say thus far, of mahomes’ 3 superbowl wins, his roster was worse than both the eagles and the niners, with him being the deciding factor. Looking objectively at Brady’s super bowls, his team was widely considered much better with the exception of the first couple in the early 2000’s, which is wild considering how good those defenses were, but understandable nonetheless
@@davis2k1234 I didn’t say they were. I just said that Brady getting outperformed by kickers is a helping hand to mahomes. Edit: (I wanted to fact check before I said it) mahomes has also gotten a lot better over the course of the past two, with a great game against the eagles and a very solid one against the 49ers. Definitely hurts himself with the performance against Tampa bay but with the way his offensive line got bullied and smashed all game it happens 🤷♂️
I'll never forget the time I was having an argument about Rodgers not being the guy to lead your team on a game winning drive. I said I'd take Cousins over him and my buddy said I was crazy. I said, "Well, he has more comebacks at the end of a game than Rodgers does." My buddy couldn't believe it. He thought Rodgers was top 10 all-time in comebacks. He had no idea Rodgers was tied for 28th.
I think the argument for durability is a weak one nowadays. Football used to be a tougher game; now, defensive players are penalized or fined for just breathing on the “star quarterbacks,” unless it’s a part of their style ex. Allen or Jackson. It happened with Brady, it’s happening with Mahomes. The unbelievable amount of times I have watched a defensive player just not tackle Mahomes is mind-boggling. For me, it falls in the same vein as “somebody hit Tom? Penalty.” Not that the safety of players shouldn’t be first and foremost, but it’s a completely different era when it comes to physicality.
@@theplayernkc Buddy must not be a true Barry patriot. He only likes Mahomes because he has a chance to take Bradys place as most overrated QB of all time
@@kja6336 Hey there PAL, I'm not your "buddy". Yeah I know Barry is a Brady hater, lots of people are, but your "Patrice MaFraud" comment shows you don't know much about the NFL.
@@theplayernkc alright guy, lets talk football. Andy Reid has a greater impact on dogwater QBs than any coach in NFL history, this empire is built by him. If Brady was withheld from GOAT convos because of a defensive HC, then how is Reid ignored for Mahomes, when in reality Mahomes gets to keep the same offense his entire career, one that’s better than 30 other teams, and could literally get replaced by a bum. His responsibilities include pointing out twitchy LBs, scrambling through a wide open gap (the OL makes on purpose, under credited OL) or throwing it to any one of his receivers averaging 3 yards of separation. That’s literally a yard over the NFL average, that gets swept under the rug because they catch like bats Think the offense is hard, watch Henne march 99 yards down the field for a crucial TD in the playoffs last year. Watch Alex Smith lead the Chiefs to the playoffs. Watch Reid turn bums and dead careers into legitimate QBs like Mcknabb and dying Vick.
As of right now, no he’s not. Nobody thinks this is going to be his last ring but nobody thought Brady would go a decade without one either. Also, the fact that Brady handed him his first loss, first playoff loss, and destroyed him in the Super Bowl is going to have to matter. We never got to see Jordan/LeBron play a meaningful matchup so it’s easier to compare them. Now if Mahomes becomes the first QB to have a 3peat, that would be his equivalent of LeBron’s 3-1 moment (and he’d have a way better GOAT case than LeBron). Something unique to him that’s only on his resume.
Still haven’t recovered after you didn’t put Marino in your top arms video. Unbelievable. As you said one of the best tight window throwers of all time. And that’s due to his velocity. Up there with Elway and Favre when it comes to velocity.
Jordan has the most rings within context. Everyone knows russell didn't played like 10 teams and the easier format. It's not the same. Im this case, mahomes and Brady rings hold "equal weight," so yeah.. mahomes would have to win more than 8.. especially if he's the most talented qb
I still say that Peyton Manning is the ultimate master of the QB position, even if he isn’t the GOAT. Nobody else possessed the ability he had to control the offense, his ability to read defenses and make adjustments, and his insane consistency for well over a decade. There’s a reason that nobody else comes close to his MVP and All Pro numbers, he could be put on any team with any coach and be a lock for at least 10 wins a year MINIMUM. He didn’t have as good an arm as Rodgers, the creativity of Mahomes, or the longevity (or luck) of Brady, but there was nobody who had complete control of every aspect of the offense like Peyton.
@@DannyMendez1313 Well, Brady had a game losing interception negated by a Dee Ford offside penalty. That's been memory holed for some reason. It's okay though. The only people who would sincerely choose Brady over Mahomes are fan girls (and boys) who get wet thinking about him.
3 super bowls in 6 years is insane enough, I can understand the GOAT dispute, and I might even agree. Once Mahomes gets his 4th, and MAYBE his 5th, in however many years (probably within another 4-5 years) I think he will be without a single doubt in anyone’s mind, the GOAT.
I've never seen a player with the talent of Rodgers, the individual greatness of Manning, and the clutchness and winning of Brady. He's a 1 of 1. I'm not tryna wait 15 years to call someone who I feel is the GOAT the GOAT officially. Me personally I've seen enough. Everything after is just validation
Saying Montana isn’t durable is very dumb considering the era he played in and the hits he had to take; I think mahomes will be better than anyone when he is finished if he stays healthy and I hope he does (sad broncos fan)
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this video title is a piece of shit and so is the video. Trying to promote someone to GOAT at the beginin of his career is pathetic...
Mahomes's main statistical rival is Matthew Stafford. You are afraid of the truth. Kadarius Toney would get 2000 yards with Stafford.
Opinions are like assholes everybody's got one but I agree with you f*** Brady
My wife's boyfriend put this on for me to watch in the living room while they have bible study upstairs. It's very loud and rhythmic and creaky but the lord works in mysterious ways. Thank you Jesus, and thank you Barry.
Can I join them for their next Bible study?
@@chesscomsupport8689yeah, I’ll let you in from the back
😂😂
Your wife’s boyfriend???????💀
She's getting nailed harder than Jesus to the cross.
I still play Madden 20 and in my franchise, the Rans are a dynasty with the greatest dual threat QB ever named Logan Donaldson, he has 8 rings and won 12 MVPS in 19 seasons.
so even in a video game you could barely reach Bradys accomplishments..
And here we are talking about Rats Nest as GOAT its f'n embarrassing.
I’d say 12 MVPs is more than barely reaching
@@TheScotian82 you're embarrassing
@@TheScotian82 W Lamar take. L Brady take.
@@TheScotian82 You're gonna blow the dog's ears out with all that whistling, boy.
I think it's safe to call him the under 30
I don't think another player will come in on such a wild ass tear so quick.
You say that cause ur not ready for the Stetson Bennet 6 peat we’re about to see
Billy goat
It's all Andy Reid 🤡
This
@@cinemacrow2521how?
If Mahomes retired right now he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. The next 10 years, I’m sure he will put up numbers worthy of another Hall of Fame career
I agree with this. However, Brady put up three HOF worthy careers within 1. His first rings I’m with the Patriots (2001-2005), his undefeated regular season and Super Bowl attempts (2009-2013), and the rest of his rings (2014-2023). Man was an absolute monster.
2 more.
@@sijdnsd6460I mean Mahomes could end up doing the same. The biggest question comes to his longevity and whether he’ll be able to continue to adapt as he begins to lose his athletic peak after 30.
He's already a lock
@@deemity7557let's see how Mahommes will do without Reed.Tom Brady had the luck that Belichik was his HC besides his Tampa Bay years.
In my opinion, if he gets to 5 rings and maintains this level of play then he is; especially if he leads the threepeat
If He’s Threepeat, He’s Definitely The Goat 🐐
@@malone4735ohh yeah easily 3 peat has never been done. He is the Goat and would be ahead of the Brady pace
I've Always been Talent over Rings for the greatest. So Rodgers, Mahomes, Young, and Marino.
@@ulyssesgrant4324 Rings do Matter But People Tend To Overrate TF Outta It! context Matters When We Are Talking About Rings
@@malone4735 Also throws away a lot of good quarterbacks too. Ignoring era context and why they didn't win.
Barry, only the bravest American hero would challenge Brady’s GOAT status like you do. It’s truly inspirational I just need to hide this video from my wife’s BF for the next 30 minutes, as he’s a HUGE Brady fan
Its ok your girlfriend told me you can cheer for Mahomes
Good thing my wife's boyfriend woke me up early today to bring his kids to school
the last time i was this early Brady hadn't thrown a checkdown yet
So he wasn't even playing Football yet
Brady was smart and patient. That's not a bad thing. Look at all the wins.
@@JayTide sure but that's how a game manager QB plays the game but if we call him that now suddenly it doesn't apply to him
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: Not Yet
For me it's the playoff stats that separate him. 15-3, 41:8 TD:INT ratio, 5135 yards, 67.9% completion % and an absurd 5 4th quarter comebacks and 6 game winning drives. He's 28 and his career playoff stat line is basically equivalent to an MVP caliber regular season. Not even mentioning that 2 of his 3 losses came at the hands of Tom Brady and in one of those losses he didn't even get a chance to answer in OT.
So him losing to the GOAT negates him from
Ever being the goat
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@@lostprophecy7593I guess Eli manning is the goat then
@@FreezeBlind Eli manning isn’t the goat so that argument is void
@@lostprophecy7593 he beat Tom Brady twice which to your logic means he is better then Tom
My wife’s boyfriend woke me up as he told me that this was an important video
Masterful work
Mahomes is the Montana of the 2020s
1. Most wins of the decade compared to his peers
2. Two Super Bowl wins against the same team (ouch😞)
3. Greatest offensive mastermind of the era as his coach
4. Has an all time great defensive coordinator that knows how to maximize DB play.
I don’t know about you, but this past season’s Chiefs team reminds me of the 1988 Niners.
I don’t recall anyone calling them the best team in the regular season, but they stepped it up in the playoffs and won it all.
Side note: The Vikings were the team that arguably played the best regular season in 1988, and if not for the Steve Young run, the Vikings team that allowed it goes to a Super Bowl in my book.
Brady fans are sweating over Mahomes more than I sweat at the gym
@@PoppyCocks yet this entire video has proven that when it’s all said and done, he could be better
Not likely. Lot of big if’s and a lot of unlikely scenarios have to happen for Mahomes to come anywhere near Brady
99.9999% have no personal connection with Brady whatsoever. I think it's more Mahomes jock sniffers that are saying Mahomes had the greater career. Not yet. Probably in the future, but not yet. 7 SB wins is more than 3 from when I last checked. That has nothing to do with me liking Brady. It's just the facts. Mahomes will win more than 2 more super bowls. When he wins 2 more, I think it needs to be discussed. But for now...nope. Let time takes it's course. Brady and Mahomes both had 3 super bowls at the same age. Brady isn't the slouch some people think he is. He won a super bowl with another team other than the Pats. Mahomes hasn't yet.
My heart is broken even our sweet king jimmy g fell victim to drugs :( sad world we live in
Absolutely HEROIC audible call by Barry there late in the 4th to win the series....
need to see if Mahomes can win 2 superbowl while scoring 13 or less points to be the GOAT and have the QB throw a SB losing int at the goal line ONLY THEN WILL HE BE THE GOAT
Comment of the month!
Let's see if he could win 2 superbowls in the same year.
@@kevlark3184 Never happen again, bro. No way.
@@kevlark3184 that’s how I felt at the end of this video lol. Great video all to end with Mahomes has to get 8 rings to be the GOAT….. what? Did the goal post move all of a sudden?
Mahomes had a 15yard TD drive in 4QTs in the super bowl Butker and his defense won him that game yes OT drive was great but never happens wo the special teams and defense
Marino’s numbers are just CRAZY. KC fan and big fan of Mahomes but those numbers in that era are ridiculous.
Mariano is an all time great that forever changed the game but if we’re being honest the fact that he never won a superbowl holds him back from the goat conversation
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 Yeah. Sucks he didn't get at least one.
P.S. why the hell did it autocorrect both of our Marinos to "Mariano"? lmao
His early seasons, especially 84, are off the charts, but his numbers kinda fell off after that. Still way above average for the time, but not unbelievable.
before Marino's '85 season, no other quarterback had thrown for 4600 yards, he was a mutant
@@ZonictheZoneCopMariano Rivera is the GOAT baseball reliever on a side note
Mahomes finally is somebody with the talent comparable to Rodgers with the post season success to dethrone that lucky Ken doll
I unironically appreciate how objective you try to be in your videos
Holy shit, man
You had me there for a second
Elways stats are just weird. In PRIME seasons, 88-92, age 28-32 his TD passes were 17, 18, 15, 13, and 10! That was his prime.
He never had the wco till Shanahan
Elway's one of those "You had to be there" type of QBs. Those stats don't look impressive because they're not, but at the same time he was dragging what were fairly mediocre teams to the Super Bowl 3 times in 4 years.
Fans of the time saw what he was doing. It just didn't convey particularly well to paper.
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Dude, I'm 48, I was there. I know how great he was by the eye test. It was Elway/Marino/Montana in the same way it was Brady/Manning/Rodgers. I'm not doubting his eliteness, but it's a shame that his numbers didn't reflect his talent. It's also really obvious why he despised Dan Reeves 😂😂😂
Yeah there's a reason why Kirk Cousins has put up HOF worthy numbers in this era despite the fact he would've been at best a career back up in Elway/Marino's prime. You can't play defense anymore. Back then if a WR is fast you just punch him in the mouth at the LOS 30 times a game and he goes home with 2 catches for 17 yards.
In 84 the Broncos had the #2 defense and Elway threw a game losing INT against Pittsburg,in 87 he went to the SB because of a game saving turnover, and in 89 the broncos had the leagues' best defense while elway had as many TDs as INTs. Furthermore, in 91, his pick-6 against the bills in the AFCCG proved to be the difference in a 10-7 game, causing reeves to draft Maddox the next year. If anything, Elway was the one who got carried. @@JonSmith-hk1bq
That title is pure comedy😂😂😂 Good one BarrBear
I can't take Mahomes seriously seeing how far the league goes to protect him.
I’ve agreed.
They were the same exact way with Brady too
@@alexsolimani Brady played mostly in the 2000s and 2010s and had to face way tougher defenses, Ravens defenses in the 2000s were nasty, had to play the Jets two times every year with Revis Island, No Fly Zone in the playoffs, Legion of Boom, etc. Also rules back then were more lax on the defense, and Brady still threw for 50 TDs in 2007 and led one of the greatest single seasons for a team in NFL history. All superstars are protected to some degree but Mahomes has been pampered more than any other QB in history. Just look at the running play against the Dolphins in the Wild Card where three guys didn't dare to tackle him and just let him run without any resistance
@@noxplay4906 THAT PART, and I say that as an absolute HATER of the Pats and Brady.
Pretty stupid to compare any of the qbs in this video to Mahomes. You have QBs that actually had to be afraid of defense knocking the actual shit out of their players and themselves, and then Mahomes in which there are literal moments that he runs toward a defender and the defender decides to tackle another player. Can’t compare the qbs considering how different it is now
Tyrod Taylor 2015: 63.7% 3’035 yards. 8 yds/attempt 20 TD 6 INT 99.4 QBR. 568 yds rush 5.5 yards per carry 4 TDs. 1 fumble lost.
Lamar 2023: 67.2% comp 3,678 yards 8.0 avg yards per throw 24 TD 7 INT 64.7 QBR . 821 yds rushing 5.5 avg per rush 2 fumbles lost.
Note: his defense gave up 120+ less points. 2015 bills were a run first team. Kinda scary how close his #s were to a career backup and he was unanimous MVP despite Allen having 15 more TDS and more passing yards and similar rushing . But alas we all know mccaffery was the true 2023 MVP
I have a theory. Late round picks are more likely to win a lot of superbowls than first overall picks.
To be a first overall pick the team sucks. If you're a late pick who is a good qb it means your team doesn't suck and you have a skilled gm at putting togethor good teams. It takes skill to pick a talented qb late in the first round. Even your average Joe can draft a good qb with the first round pick.
Out of curiosity, I did a quick count.
27 QBs have been taken with the first pick of the draft.
7 of them won Super Bowls. 6 of those 7 won at least two Super Bowls. Note: There are only 13 QBs in history who have won two Super Bowls.
16 Super Bowls titles between them accounting for 27.5% of all Super Bowl wins.
As to the theory that late-round QBs are more likely to win the SB:
7 QBs taken after the 3rd round (or in the case of Kurt Warner, went undrafted) have won a Super Bowl. 3 of them won multiple Super Bowls.
14 Super Bowl titles between them account for 24.1% of Super bowls. Brady accounts for half those wins.
Much needed audible with 20 seconds left on the game clock. Thanks for saving the day, daddy!
Crazy you didnt even mention Jimmy Garappolo
Yo Barry I started watching your channel for the nba content. This year I finally started following the nfl properly and you’ve been a huge help to me. I rly appreciate it man. I’ve even inherited your Tom Brady hatred 😂 I’m from London so I’ve only rly been tapped into the most famous nfl storylines and I remember picking the Miami dolphins as my nfl team in 2014 only because I liked the jerseys 😅 but now I’m a full fledged fan and that’s largely down to your content ❤
One thing that isn’t mentioned enough in the Mahomes vs. Brady argument is just how much better the AFC is now then it was when Brady was in his prime. The only QBs Brady had to worry about preventing him from getting to a Super Bowl were Manning, Roethlisberger and once Flacco. Mahomes is going up against Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Herbert, Tagovailoa, Stroud, Lawrence and Rodgers now too (if he is healthy). Mahomes path to Super Bowls is seems much harder now than what Brady dealt with.
Those qbs choke!
Brady still had the better qbs in his era and whether or not he faced them in the afc, still had to cross paths with them eventually. None of those you mentioned were better than Peyton.. big ben was better than most of those too. On top of that, his last run he took out Brees, Rodgers the mvp, and mahomes the reigning sb mvp. That's an insane run!
That 15-3 playoff record says it all
Thank you Barry for uploading. I, a seabird fan was watching my annual Super Bowl 49 showing (what does not kill me makes me stronger) and Barry saved me with his upload. I am safe from Malcum Buttler.
11:17 thank you Barry! Had to be said🫡
I was a huge Brady Stan for years and even defended him from the Aaron Rodgers goat case but Mahomes is different he has everything incredible stats multiple mvps multiple super bowls and even carried a disappointing chiefs team to a Super Bowl win while being underdogs every round he’s quickly becoming undeniable
Bills and ravens really screwed up man
You'd have to be nuts to think Rodgers is the GOAT. One Super Bowl ring, one appearance...the man hasn't even played in more than one! Brady has seven more SB wins and ten times as many appearances. Mahomes is the ONLY guy who can dethrone Brady.
@@ChiSportsNut18 Barry used to be one of those nuts who thought rodgers was genuinely better then Brady lol
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 He's gotten a lot smarter.
@michaelwarren875 bills had 9 defensive starters out and the Ravens have the epitomal choker Lamar Jackson. It was a shoe-in for the chiefs
Fire me up with that audible Barry that was hype
We have to take into the fact that old nfl the defense wasn’t playing handicapped they could hit the QB and whoever else had the ball.
I like this video format comparing him vs other QB's. Please do another one of this like with Tyreek Hill.
Anyone with eyes can see that Mahomes is what AAron should have been. I still think Rodger’s is the best pure passer I’ve ever seen, but how much is that worth in the postseason
To be fair in montanas era the defense could basically suplex qbs…
To me personally, Mahomes has to do something no one has done. either 3 straight seasons winning the Super bowl or going 20-0. it’s not abt the rings either it’s abt the quality of the title runs
Well he got injured dislocated his knee and won the super bowl. He played his second super bowl win when he was on one leg and he just won again with basically nobody to receive the ball except for Travis Kelce. So his super bowl runs are all legendary bro
Or, why not both? Go 20-0 and be the first team to 3 peat.
@@lemonjuicegaming6551if he does both next year he equals Brady already
@@waldothewalrus294 Mahomes is basically Brady but more talented and more athletic.
@@lemonjuicegaming6551 So do something that just wont happen under any circumstances? Would you like to come back to reality any time soon?
As a die hard jets fan I really appreciated that ending and I’m definitely subscribing now😂😂💯
THIS is how you have a GOAT debate🔥
Strongly disagree about Montana. I actually do completely agree that Mahomes is likely to finish ahead of Montana, but your argument here is just a little bit too reliant on projection, and I personally believe that we have to evaluate active players as if they were going to retire tomorrow for the purposes of GOAT discussions.
If Mahomes retired tomorrow, he might have the SLIGHT edge on Montana’s regular season career, but Montana is still ahead by a greater margin in post-season play and success.
Like I said, I feel very confident that he’ll get there, but I absolutely hate the idea of giving active players credit for stuff they haven’t done yet. You get to be the GOAT when and only when you’ve earned it.
Also, RE: the Brady section of this video, given his style of play, I’m not sure Mahomes maintains this level of play for more than another 10 years. It’s possible, but, given his raw athleticism, it just seems like an inevitability that he’s going to take a bad hit on the run at SOME point in the next decade that sets him on a gradual decline. The kind of hit that guys like Brady rarely took, because they were such boring stereotypical pocket passers.
TBH, I view Mahomes as a more talented and luckier Rodgers. He’s absolutely got the skills and mentality to unseat Brady and Montana, but there is so much more that can go wrong for a QB like him that, over the course of an entire career, it just seems like a statistical inevitability that he’s going to have a much shorter career with a much more gradual and progressive decline than Brady.
I’ll be happy to be proven wrong (because, fuck Brady, amirite), but he doesn’t get credit for what he MIGHT do any more than Rodgers gets credit for what he SHOULD HAVE done.
Drew Brees. 9 letters. #9. 9-9 playoff record. Won SB in 09.
His best shot to win a second one was in 18 (9*2 = 18)
loveeeee the ending !!! god lad
People used to say Andrew Luck was like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers combined.
In spite of his last name Andrew had anything but good luck and had his career robbed. But anyway, that comparison is how I'd describe Mahomes as well, and we're actually seeing it play out this time
If Andrew luck had any semblance of an oline he would’ve won 3 sbs
@@CornualAustin1 pretty bad coaches too after Bruce Arians left. He was one of those rare prospects that could really succeed anywhere
I usually like to fall asleep to Barry’s beautiful voice it’s so soothing, it’s like bob Ross paintings but with his voice
I wouldn’t be mad at it. He definitely has a great argument now if he hasn’t already. Barry’s video actually got me into looking at football highlights, so it’s fun to look historical videos like this 😎
Also, 11:00 made me bust out laughing because this is the Barry we all know and love!
I love a good Barry audible
If he 3peats before turning 30 there won’t even be a conversation. I have never felt more confident betting on anyone else. Thanos is here ladies and gentlemen
Lol what a stupid argument... you clearly have no clue about football
he got his ass kicked to Brady in the Super Bowl. that will always haunt him
even if he does 3 peat there will absolutely still be a convo lol
@@HoonTurd it’ll always come down to. He got his ass kicked in the Super Bowl against Tom Brady that would be like if LeBron James and Michael Jordan played whoever won the finals would be consider the greatest.
@@Eric-ph4ywand don’t forget an AFC championship game too. Brady is the Goat for now, Mahomes needs longevity at this point
So brave of Barry to stand his ground against all the Brady fans. A true hero
how the fuck did Elway win the 87 MVP of either Jerry Rice or Montana ☠☠
Or even Reggie White who had 21 sacks in 12 games!!!
Masterful audible
It’s so funny to see Mahomes get compared to QBs that were allowed to get hit
Did you not see Mahomes? Almost get his head knocked off in the afc champ game. The hell are you talking about bro
Boomer take
Years from now, we might say he got hit harder than some other elite quarterback of the time we live in.
Upon hearing Barry's audible call to switch to Mahomes I jumped out of my chair in excitement and high-fived my wife's boyfriend. I knew that Mahomes could dethrone the carried Brady legacy and we have all witnessed history today. Thank you Barry!
Tom Brady played in a much more brutal nfl. Its not even close. Now in the protect the QB league? Sure, but there's a big difference dropping back knowing the defense can't touch you and dropping back knowing the defense can kill you. Patrick would have to win 10 sb and throw for 60 td and single digit int to be in the conversation. Plus Brady had to play against manning in the playoffs. A goat vs goat type of thing. Its a high bar.
And who’s Mahomes trying to out duel on the other side? Brady had his bugaboo’s against Peyton in the AFC championship games, Brees and Peyton faced off in the SB, Brady went against Kurt Warner, Farve went against Elway, Rogers went against Big Ben. In the just the playoffs in the AFC it was always Rivers, Ben, Brady, Peyton. NFC you had Farve, Warner, Rogers, Brees, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Eli. Guys who made SB’s, won SB’s, won MVP’s. Mahomes is the best QB in an era that’s pass friendly and not loaded with elite QB talent outside of 3-4 guys including him. What we saw in the late 90’s thru the mid 2010’s in terms of QB play was legendary. We just watched Joe Flacco of all people make a playoff run, and that’s really all that needs to be said about the state of the position today. Other than Mahomes, there’s nobody in the league right now that really can hold a candle to the guys I just named and in my eyes that holds significant weight
@@semp36445 tom Brady could make you a hof receiver.
@@checkdown3774 I appreciate the flattery but even I wouldn’t go that far, I’m 5’7 and was born without an MCL in my left knee
@@semp36445 If Brady could put Doug Gabriel in the pro Bowl he can do the same with you. Brady so good he can find guys open that don't even exist. He's that good.
@@semp36445 remember when Brady smashed Patrick in the sb at the age of 85? That's the thing. Brady has already beat Patrick in his forties. Imagine a 25 y/o brady. 😳
As a mahomes fan naturally I liked the ending of this display
Brady’s two playoff wins over Mahomes are huge. Had they gone the other way, it’s likely Brady and Mahomes would be tied now at 5 rings apiece, but since Brady won both affairs, Mahomes still needs 4 rings in order to catch up to him.
Edit: JFC people, all I was saying was that Brady’s 2 playoff wins over Mahomes were important for their legacies. I wasn’t taking Brady’s side in the argument or anything. Mahomes is still young so him surpassing Brady is still possible, but it’s crazy that if Mahomes won those two games he’d already be caught up to Brady. That’s literally all I was saying ffs
What if he wins 3 super bowls in a row?
Does that change your mind
One playoff win mahommes had a completely new offensive line and threw better dropped passes than the buccaneers threw completed and the other Brady got nervous and threw a stupid pick that was saved by a penalty
Were not about to do this dee ford completely fucked the cheifs and brady's DEFENSE held the NUMBER 1 OFFENSE TO 9 points. Dont even start
This changes everything…it implies if Brady and Mahomes were same age and era…Brady would still be winning the rings and Mahomes would be Peyton 💀
@@frankpropri540no he wouldn’t be over Tom after that he can only be over Tom after he passes him in rings
I love the off-season content from last year Barry, can’t wait to see what you got planned this time 🔥
A true hero moment to make that kind of change at the end. Thank you, Barry. Stay safe from Mary Jane.
I'm not saying Brady didn't beat Mahomes twice fair and square, but I am saying that Dee Ford has single-handedly done more for TB's legacy in one play than Randy Moss ever did
Apparently (to some people) Dee Ford is the reason why Mahomes can never be the greatest ever
I’m a biased Chiefs fan but Mahomes is the 🐐. Brady had a 10 year stretch where he didn’t win a Super Bowl including the 07 team that choked away a perfect record. Mahomes still has a long career ahead of him and I think he will only get better the next few years.
It's all Andy Reid 🤡
@@cinemacrow2521if it was all andy reid then why didnt he win a superbowl with donovan McNabb mike vick or alex smith?😂😂🤡
@@nickdram The bigger issue is for years until Brady won with the Bucs at 43 everyone said "It was a all Belichick", even though Belichick had won 1 playoff game without Brady. When Mahomes played amazing his first year the exact opposite occurred, "Mahomes got by Reid's terrible time management and won!" Yet Brady outside of Moss for 2 years never had a WR close to the explosiveness that Mahomes had with Hill. Also, his entire career he's been with arguably the best TE ever in Kelce. Point being is, the excuses used to minimize Brady's success don't seem to fall on Mahomes's shoulders that's why people clown and say "It's all Andy Reid". Mind you Reid did make Donavon McNabb an MVP candidate and all 3 of Smith's PB appearances were under Reid. Plus after taking a 2-14 KC team, he flipped the script and brought them too the playoff's in 1 year. Reid is a solid coach and an offensive minded one at that. Shouldn't that hurt Mahomes more than BB for Brady who was solely defensive minded? Regardless, it is fun watching Mahomes and if he keeps this up for another 10 years there won't be much of an argument.
I wonder where Otto Graham would have landed if he played in the Super Bowl era. Dude was like the Babe Ruth of football in terms of dominance before the modern era.
Similar thing with Sid Luckman.
Not their fault that they played in earlier generations of the game, but it’ll always be something people bring up against them.
I love how everything everyone tries to call Brady like a check down merchant and being carried by the defense is exactly what Mahomes is 🤣🤣 Brady owes that fraud
This is the best defense mahomes has ever had. Before that he was still winning superbowls stop trying to deny greatness
@@TinyCat1015 not knocking I’m pointing out the double standard. If this was Brady’s run this superbowl that’s all the narrative would be is “carried by the defense” but with Mahomes it’s “goat”
@@defended alright that’s fair
@@defended the media hates us white people that’s why ol khaki skin biracial gets called the goat.
Thats literally not true in any way, shape or form and stats prove it. Brady never had a defense as bad as mahomes had in 2018
Holy shit, I was not expecting that ending 😂
Hi Barry!
The thing I dislike about saying QBs face each other is that they really don't. They play against the other teams Defense, there's no LEGITIMATE way to say Brady is better simply because the team scored more points against the Chiefs defense than Mahomes did against his. The eye test alone says Mahomes is the better of the two. BUT I do agree that Mahomes still has a ways to go to truly top him as the GOAT.
Joe Montana was also throwing to JERRY RICE
Montana won 2SBs before Rice was even drafted
@@aceassn716 Joe Montana had a passer rating of 86.9 with 5,824 yards, 34 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in 27 games without Jerry Rice in his career
Very good but not elite?
😂😂😂 So good!!!
Let's not forget, it wasn't just Dee Ford's toe. That same drive was saved for Brady after a roughing the passer when Chris Jones touched him on the shoulder
Roger did some amazing things in the regular season. It blows my mind he only went to one superbowl
Because he's ass in the playoffs
That ending is the epitome of how Barry is a true American hero
At first I was frustrated that the Chiefs are making a dynastic run. But then I realized the could be the only team to dethrone the Patriots dynasty. Without the controversy and cheating. So long live the Chiefs & Mahomes!
That ending 😂😂😂
Oh yes, best QB to ever play. Doesn't need to win 7 SBs, his playmaking ability is unmatched
@@Mike-ud6hdAs if Brady’s 7 rings were all blowouts. I’m sure Barry could make a whole video out of it so I won’t steal content from him.
@@curtisedmonds9933I’m not sure what he said, but to your point, Brady got out scored twice by his kicker in the superbowl. Personally I do find it difficult to outright call mahomes the goat even though I want to, but I think it’s convenient that Brady has some Super Bowl wins that are more on the weaker side. I would say thus far, of mahomes’ 3 superbowl wins, his roster was worse than both the eagles and the niners, with him being the deciding factor. Looking objectively at Brady’s super bowls, his team was widely considered much better with the exception of the first couple in the early 2000’s, which is wild considering how good those defenses were, but understandable nonetheless
@@greenlukesky4615Well Mahomes super bowl stats aren’t very good 7TD 5INT and H Butker is now officially the best kicker in super bowl history
@@davis2k1234 I didn’t say they were. I just said that Brady getting outperformed by kickers is a helping hand to mahomes.
Edit: (I wanted to fact check before I said it) mahomes has also gotten a lot better over the course of the past two, with a great game against the eagles and a very solid one against the 49ers. Definitely hurts himself with the performance against Tampa bay but with the way his offensive line got bullied and smashed all game it happens 🤷♂️
@@greenlukesky4615 But Mahomes literally just got outscored by Butker on Sunday that destroys your whole kicker argument
Underrated ending 😂
I'll never forget the time I was having an argument about Rodgers not being the guy to lead your team on a game winning drive. I said I'd take Cousins over him and my buddy said I was crazy. I said, "Well, he has more comebacks at the end of a game than Rodgers does." My buddy couldn't believe it. He thought Rodgers was top 10 all-time in comebacks. He had no idea Rodgers was tied for 28th.
I think the argument for durability is a weak one nowadays. Football used to be a tougher game; now, defensive players are penalized or fined for just breathing on the “star quarterbacks,” unless it’s a part of their style ex. Allen or Jackson. It happened with Brady, it’s happening with Mahomes. The unbelievable amount of times I have watched a defensive player just not tackle Mahomes is mind-boggling. For me, it falls in the same vein as “somebody hit Tom? Penalty.” Not that the safety of players shouldn’t be first and foremost, but it’s a completely different era when it comes to physicality.
2:27
The video is actually why so many feel Elway is great. And not just fans over 45, but coaches, personnel people and opposing players.
Someone show how Patrice MaFraud throws more dump offs than Brady did 96 games into his career
Patrice MaFraud? Oh man those tears you cry are so so sweet.
@@theplayernkc Buddy must not be a true Barry patriot. He only likes Mahomes because he has a chance to take Bradys place as most overrated QB of all time
@@kja6336 Hey there PAL, I'm not your "buddy". Yeah I know Barry is a Brady hater, lots of people are, but your "Patrice MaFraud" comment shows you don't know much about the NFL.
@@theplayernkc alright guy, lets talk football. Andy Reid has a greater impact on dogwater QBs than any coach in NFL history, this empire is built by him.
If Brady was withheld from GOAT convos because of a defensive HC, then how is Reid ignored for Mahomes, when in reality Mahomes gets to keep the same offense his entire career, one that’s better than 30 other teams, and could literally get replaced by a bum.
His responsibilities include pointing out twitchy LBs, scrambling through a wide open gap (the OL makes on purpose, under credited OL) or throwing it to any one of his receivers averaging 3 yards of separation. That’s literally a yard over the NFL average, that gets swept under the rug because they catch like bats
Think the offense is hard, watch Henne march 99 yards down the field for a crucial TD in the playoffs last year. Watch Alex Smith lead the Chiefs to the playoffs. Watch Reid turn bums and dead careers into legitimate QBs like Mcknabb and dying Vick.
@@kja6336 PAL, that's just a bunch of puke you posted. You have ZERO clue about the NFL.
The audible in OT is why Barry is a #HERO
Mahomes will be the goat when hes still playing in his 40s with 8 rings, at least one of which he won in his 40s. Till then hes just elite.
As of right now, no he’s not. Nobody thinks this is going to be his last ring but nobody thought Brady would go a decade without one either.
Also, the fact that Brady handed him his first loss, first playoff loss, and destroyed him in the Super Bowl is going to have to matter. We never got to see Jordan/LeBron play a meaningful matchup so it’s easier to compare them.
Now if Mahomes becomes the first QB to have a 3peat, that would be his equivalent of LeBron’s 3-1 moment (and he’d have a way better GOAT case than LeBron). Something unique to him that’s only on his resume.
Brady did not destroy Mahomes in the Super Bowl his Pop Warner o line got destroyed by Brady's elite defense line get your fucking facts right!
Mahomes will never win a Super Bowl without Andy Reid
U must posses the time stone
That sounds suspiciously similar to "Mahomes won't win a Super Bowl without Tyreek Hill."
As a Tom Brady fan, yes. Mahomes has the consistency, brain of Brady and the freakish talents of… Mahomes.
My KING Joe Cool is better than Mahomes still
Still haven’t recovered after you didn’t put Marino in your top arms video. Unbelievable. As you said one of the best tight window throwers of all time. And that’s due to his velocity. Up there with Elway and Favre when it comes to velocity.
Mahomes doesn't need to have the most rings to be GOAT just like MJ
Jordan has the most rings within context. Everyone knows russell didn't played like 10 teams and the easier format. It's not the same.
Im this case, mahomes and Brady rings hold "equal weight," so yeah.. mahomes would have to win more than 8.. especially if he's the most talented qb
I still say that Peyton Manning is the ultimate master of the QB position, even if he isn’t the GOAT. Nobody else possessed the ability he had to control the offense, his ability to read defenses and make adjustments, and his insane consistency for well over a decade. There’s a reason that nobody else comes close to his MVP and All Pro numbers, he could be put on any team with any coach and be a lock for at least 10 wins a year MINIMUM. He didn’t have as good an arm as Rodgers, the creativity of Mahomes, or the longevity (or luck) of Brady, but there was nobody who had complete control of every aspect of the offense like Peyton.
Yes, it is already safe to say that Mahomes is the best to ever do it.
Lost to Tom twice well into his 40’s 🤣🤣. Brady owns him
nonsense
and foolishness
@@DannyMendez1313 Well, Brady had a game losing interception negated by a Dee Ford offside penalty. That's been memory holed for some reason.
It's okay though. The only people who would sincerely choose Brady over Mahomes are fan girls (and boys) who get wet thinking about him.
No.. he's no where near
Great read and audible call!
L take
Ridiculous that I have to keep defending Tom Brady's legacy like this. Have you never seen his wikifeet page barry?
I’ll swallow a dying neutron star for every like this comment gets
3 super bowls in 6 years is insane enough, I can understand the GOAT dispute, and I might even agree. Once Mahomes gets his 4th, and MAYBE his 5th, in however many years (probably within another 4-5 years) I think he will be without a single doubt in anyone’s mind, the GOAT.
He just isn’t talented enough for me, he just forced passes and has barely contributed to either Super Bowl and he can’t lift his team like Brady did
i love your videos so much this brought me to tears
I respect what you said at the end about Brady. Even if you immediately had to spit and take back everything you said
I've never seen a player with the talent of Rodgers, the individual greatness of Manning, and the clutchness and winning of Brady. He's a 1 of 1. I'm not tryna wait 15 years to call someone who I feel is the GOAT the GOAT officially. Me personally I've seen enough. Everything after is just validation
Good thing you're in the minority
Barry the absolute national treasure he is just saved us from that devil Tom Brady. What a patriot he is. I salute you Barry🫡
Saying Montana isn’t durable is very dumb considering the era he played in and the hits he had to take; I think mahomes will be better than anyone when he is finished if he stays healthy and I hope he does (sad broncos fan)