Vice Adm. Hughwood(Hawood in here) was only few "words" in original novel. In old OVA, he had more story with his lieutenant. His 7th fleet had been defeat by Kircheis in very short cut and surrendered; when 13th fleet was retreating via 7th fleet's location, Yang have to fight with Kircheis without 7th fleet's aid. In novel, Yang had disengaged with losses, but in here, Hughwood sacrificed himself to save Yang, a "powerful" modification and saved Hughwood's honor. In the game scenario "Deadline", 7th fleet was facing hopeless battle, I was always commanded 7th fleet to "run for life".
Well we don't really know what happen to good admiral of 7th fleet. I believed that after their courageous rush into the Kircheis fleet, they surrendered. But this scene is so powerful.
1:17 I've don't ever remember Kircheis making frustrated/angry facial expressions, normally he would look a little bit surprised before then changing to a more intrigued expression. The only time I remember him displaying an expression like this is when he spoke to Reinhard that time in the hallway of the Brunhild telling him to be a little more lenient with his subordinates.
To me it didn't look like anger. Looked more like a look of seriousness as he understood this new force was intentionally sacrificing themselves so Yang's fleet could escape. He probably understood how important Yang was from that interaction. I also think there's a bit of sadness because he's an empathetic person who does not like seeing lives wasted needlessly.
@@Valiere2024 I see what mean. I guess it's just looks weird for him to make that expression, although it could just be a quirk of the the new artstyle. I'd have to re watch this section of the story to be sure since I made this comment a while ago.
Kircheis has a disappointed look when Reinhardt orders him to attack the supply ships, and Reinhardt admits "it is a heartless order" to his friend after ordering it.
I can’t stress enough how good the original anime is, especially in the characters. I believe Kircheis as a character hasn’t been quite as developed in the reboot , he is portrayed as a childhood friend to Reinhard, but in the original he is basically Reinhard’s conscience and overall less “secondary” if that makes sense.
While i dont really like this new rebooted LOGH because its to short, to rushed, this final battle was very good. Remnants of 7th fleet engaging Kircheis fleet, priceless! together with music, this is the best scene of entire rebooted LOGH.
How is it short and rushed? It showed in 12 episodes the same content as the OVA did in 15 episodes. However 5 of these OVA episodes were mostly or completely filler. Stellar War is going to be 12 more episodes which gives DNT one more episode than the OVA to depict the civil wars.
It does feel rushed, trying to dazzle and display their fancy graphics but making much more accelerated and frenzy speed takes of the ships and tactics instead of taking it slowly, but the biggest sin is not having a more wide sound track or not using the classical music the way the old series did. The older series made it feel classical music was created For LOGH, and the music made it feel like you was watching history, like part time documentary
I’ll start off by saying I’ve never seen the old series, but I love this new anime. The way the alliance fighters pivot off a ball vs how the empire fighters move their entire wing is really cool. They genuinely seem evenly matched, maybe a slight edge to the empire due to their complexity. Alliance might be more durable tho. Empire got that devastating cannon. Alliance has more machine guns maybe? It seems similar to a Japanese Zero vs a USA F6F Hellcat or something along those lines. Ship design is amazing in this anime. I’m a big fan and would like to talk to others about it!
Kircheis's voice actor called in sick leave during the recording for the final few episodes, they have to edited the scene and had the first officer do it in his place as there's no time left to re-record before it air.
@@thearchives1094 also the overall orders didn't need to be changed, just the on-site tactics- the Kirheis fleet was still pursuing the 13th , and Lohengramm's officers are almost telepathic in their execution of instructions so Kirchies didnt have to do anything.
And this is why an EDF fleet from space yamato 2202 would win. They arent limited to mostly being head to head, but the wave motion guns would make quick work of most those ships
without strategy their numbers count for nothing. Nothing worse in a time of war then crappy tactics / commanders. Supply lines extended. No usage of the terrain. I don' t think they even properly outnumbered em at any point. No first shot / ambush advantage. No surprise either. If they only extended so far and brought iserlohn as a combat forward base into the battle. would've been so different. For the alliance to miss all of these things just means bad leadership. They couldn't really afford the war in the first place either. If they held onto iserlohn for a while instead would've been better too. hell even heinsens ice ships would've been a top tier strategy.
Thank the politicians and "patriotic" people being in charge of coming up with the entire "Free Stars" op plan. Bloody hell, that's probably the single, worst plan I've ever seen to be proposed, and even somehow forced into action.
It should be noted that Geiersburg receiving a warp drive was a shock to everyone. The entire project was an experiment to see if they can even do it. It is only told visually and by statistics but the Empire had the technological, economical and industry advantage over the FPA the whole time. The FPA had to build a civilization from scratch. They had to spend inordinate amount of effort to terraform new planets. Their official discovery by the Empire also heavily constrained the amount of migrants they could have received from the Empire, compared to before. As for statistics for the longest time the FPA always had the numerical disadvantage in battles. The Empire often had twice as many ships they had. This only changed after Ashbey kicked their butt so hard they only recovered recently. Alas they still built the Iserlohn Fortress so they gained the advantage. Thanks to this all the fighting was focused on the Alliance's side for 40 years straight. Every attempt at taking Iserlohn only made the FPA even weaker against the next invasion. Things got so bad that the Alliance has a severe lack of skilled workers as all the youth is getting drained by the war. Long story short, I'm not even sure they could have outfitted the Iserlohn Fortress with a warp drive. Even if they could, most likely their government vetos the expense. Worse, Iserlohn is considered Yang's power base and you can bet the politicians were scared as hell about Yang turning against them. Giving him a fortress that can park next to Heinessen is likely a no-go. I can go on further like why the invasion into the Empire was necessary if utterly foolish action and so forth. The point is though that the Alliance has been always the underdog in this war. They are dealt with all the bad cards with their only saving grace being their enthusiasm and motivation to fight. But said enthusiasm got hijacked by populists who kept fanning it to dangerous levels as their vehicle for power.
@@maxxrr7389 Do yourself a favor and watch the old OVA. It has much more details about it's world , and characters are better (specelly Yang and Siegfried).
@@billsykes2977 Yeah, and it's longer than any other OVA on the face of the planet with the fact that you can skip several episodes and still be waiting for action. Basically, the pace is crap, even more crap than anime like the original Mobile Suit Gundam...
I disliked how they changed things around in the remake. In the original the 7th fleet didn't even put up a fight and surrendered to the kircheis fleet. And the 13th fleet faced the kircheis fleet by themselves outnumbered 4 to 1 and held their position until they received orders to head to the Amritsar starzone.
@@joehill4094I don't think kircheis was more skilled than yang. Yang spent virtually his entire life devoted to the study of history/military history and had an almost psychic ability to read political situations and the battlefield. In the books you get more access to Yang's mind and his insights into history/war. He'd also been in the military longer than both Reinhard and Kircheis. In this particular case kircheis had a fleet four times the size of Yang's 13th fleet. If not for kircheis's strategy of gradually wearing down the 13th fleet by continuous fighting and cycling out of his vangaurd. If kircheis at this point in the story had chosen to go the route of total destruction. He would have annihilated the 13th Fleet with ease and there wouldn't have been much that Yang with all his strategic genius could have done about it.
Thái Đỗ Mùa 1 là Ginga eiyuu densetsu: die neue these - kaikou. Mùa 2 gồm 3 phần là Ginga eiyuu densetsu: die neue these - seiran 1, 2 và 3. Hiện tại phim mới chỉ có 2 mùa, tổng cộng 24 tập.
Kind of a mix. Compared to previous two, LOGH has a shitton characters and Im not even kidding. If you compare star wars and LOGH in its depiction of space battles you can notice that LOGH throws thousands of ships compared to SW bringing just a couple at best. I didnt watch gundam so I cant leave my opinion on that part.
If only the remake kept everything exactly the same but with better action and spaceships. like keep the character design and dialogue the same but just improve the battles. not change it into shouennsnhit.
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若い主要キャラは似たような顔ばっかなのにオッサンキャラは良い感じに個性的で作画がしっかりしてるんだよなｗ
前作が素晴らしいのは当然だが、
新作にも前作から受け継ぐ良いシーンもありますね。
ホーウッド提督、良きかな
ホーウッド提督の活躍は前作にはないぞ直ぐにキルヒアイスに降伏するシーンのみ
シェーンコップの「辛い決断ですがあなたは正しい」
原作を読んだ少年の頃には余り響かなかったシーンだけど、大人になって、責任がある立場になってみるとメチャクチャ響く。
このシェーンコップの一言が本当に辛い決断を責任者としてしているヤンを救っている。
Vice Adm. Hughwood(Hawood in here) was only few "words" in original novel.
In old OVA, he had more story with his lieutenant. His 7th fleet had been defeat by Kircheis in very short cut and surrendered; when 13th fleet was retreating via 7th fleet's location, Yang have to fight with Kircheis without 7th fleet's aid.
In novel, Yang had disengaged with losses, but in here, Hughwood sacrificed himself to save Yang, a "powerful" modification and saved Hughwood's honor.
In the game scenario "Deadline", 7th fleet was facing hopeless battle, I was always commanded 7th fleet to "run for life".
Awesome! thanks for info
Thanks for the info :)
game? any sauce?
Well we don't really know what happen to good admiral of 7th fleet. I believed that after their courageous rush into the Kircheis fleet, they surrendered. But this scene is so powerful.
なんでみんな旧作と比べるかな…どちらもれっきとした銀英伝でDNTの最初にはちゃんと「似て非なるもの」みたいな発言あったやん…
表現の方向性が変わっただけであって、古いものより表現が浅いことはないと思うぞ。俺は好きだな。
後世にこの作品アニメを伝える為にも、大事なリメイクだと思う
前作をリスペクトしてる良い作品だよね👍
だな
旧作も新作も大好き
旧では活躍無かった、ホーウッド提督がカッコいい。
死地に赴く同僚に対する敬礼は、たとえどんなアニメであっても、もの悲しく美しい・・・
The most impressive part about this to me isn't the modern animation style, but the return of... noses!
Like actual noses hahahahah but I now like how there is really a distinct sip designs I always think that they all both have the same looking ships
ノイエ版がOVA版を凌駕するシーンですね。キルヒアイスにトドメを刺されず情けをかけられた屈辱を、
爽快な迄に胸のすく形で晴らしてくれていますね。しかも自らを犠牲にして年少のヤンを助け、自軍の
わずかな勝利に望みをかける・・・。胸が熱くなるシーンです。ヤンにもそれが分かっていました。
おそらくホーウッドは旧作のビュコックのように玉砕を遂げたでしょう。いかに好青年キルヒといえど
2度も情けをかけることはしないでしょう。なぜならそれは、相手を侮辱することになるから・・・。
こうしたドラマをつむいでいくのも、新作の強みになっていくかもしれませんね！
ホーウッド提督カッコいい！
1:17 I've don't ever remember Kircheis making frustrated/angry facial expressions, normally he would look a little bit surprised before then changing to a more intrigued expression. The only time I remember him displaying an expression like this is when he spoke to Reinhard that time in the hallway of the Brunhild telling him to be a little more lenient with his subordinates.
That expression at 1:17 looked more like a serious face to me than an actual look of frustration.
@@zgmf-x19ainfinitejustice28 It's just so weird to see him with a frown though. I really dislike the new character designs.
To me it didn't look like anger. Looked more like a look of seriousness as he understood this new force was intentionally sacrificing themselves so Yang's fleet could escape. He probably understood how important Yang was from that interaction. I also think there's a bit of sadness because he's an empathetic person who does not like seeing lives wasted needlessly.
@@Valiere2024 I see what mean. I guess it's just looks weird for him to make that expression, although it could just be a quirk of the the new artstyle. I'd have to re watch this section of the story to be sure since I made this comment a while ago.
Kircheis has a disappointed look when Reinhardt orders him to attack the supply ships, and Reinhardt admits "it is a heartless order" to his friend after ordering it.
原作では、キルヒアイス率いる4倍もの艦隊集団相手にどうやって逃走に成功したのか記述が無かった。旧アニメでも艦隊運動の駆け引きに引きずり込んで脱出するとしか表現してなかったから、この演出はありがたい。
一応、イゼルローン要塞司令部のロボス元帥から「全軍撤退し、アムリッツア星系に再集結せよ」との伝令があり。
その為已む無くヤン艦隊は、キルヒアイス艦隊との戦闘を中断し撤退しています。
その時のヤンの呟き「簡単に言ってくれるものだな」
いやいやホーウッドの残存艦隊をほっておいて逆撃受けるとか。キルヒアイスを間抜けにし過ぎだろう
降伏勧告から玉砕選んだ例が直近で2件（ムーアとゼークト）、更に言えばカストロプも勧告に従わなかった例。これらを知ってるからこそ、情けをかけて転進したって可能性もありそうですけどね。下手に勧告すると暴発して余計な犠牲出ますし。ただその甘さが裏目に出たわけですが。
キルヒアイスに好意的な見方すると、キルヒアイスは味方の犠牲を少なくしようとする戦い方をする。
この場合同盟軍第七艦隊を全滅させることは考えていなかったと思う。無理に全滅させようとすれば反撃により味方の犠牲も少なく無い筈。
壊滅的な打撃を受けたんだからマトモな指揮官なら撤退するだろうと考えたのではないか？
それよりも次に相対する敵に備える方が重要だったように思う、相手は第十三艦隊のヤン・ウェンリーだから尚更。
あの場面で第七艦隊が反撃して来るとは思考の外だったんでしょう。
新説ですからね。この解釈は良い。私のような旧作ファンもちゃんと見るべきだと思いました。
色々言いたいことはありますが、一言言うならば｢いい出来だ。｣です。
1:16 既に指示を出した後で、私もまだまだ未熟だなと思っているシーンだと脳内補完した。
死を覚悟した人ってのはいつだってカッコイイんだよな。
旧作では四倍の兵力相手にヤンは付け入る隙も逃げ出す隙もないと戦線離脱に苦慮してる様子だったが、司令部からアムリッツァ集結命令で簡単に退却してたな。アムリッツァでも戦線維持に余裕がなく、後方でビッテンフェルト艦隊に苦戦している第八艦隊の援護が出来ないと言っていたのに、第八艦隊が壊滅しヤン艦隊を挟撃しようと反転して隙を見せるビッテンフェルト艦隊に集中砲火を浴びせるなど、どうなってんだ？と思わせるシーンがチラホラあった。新作は旧作のそうした矛盾点を視聴者の納得いく形に修正して表現し演出しているところがいいな。
"Where's Char when you need him?"
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旧版ではまったく見せ場のなかったホーウッドだけど この場面はウランフ以上にかっこいいな
Hawood the real MVP at the end of this episode imo. Bought Yang some time. o7
旧作では無策のまま包囲降伏するホーウッド提督がめちゃカッコいい！ビュコック提督と並んでノイエテーゼが旧作より良かった数少ない点。
ヤン，ビュコック，ウランフの三名がクローズアップされていた石黒版だったけど，ホーウッド提督をはじめとした有能な艦隊司令官を失ったことが残念でならない。
Now I just need to wait for season 3. I hope there's hope for that :")
yo every1 been talking bout season 3 but where is season 2 ??? my sites dont have it
@Tomas Dall'Armi indeed...
I can’t stress enough how good the original anime is, especially in the characters. I believe Kircheis as a character hasn’t been quite as developed in the reboot , he is portrayed as a childhood friend to Reinhard, but in the original he is basically Reinhard’s conscience and overall less “secondary” if that makes sense.
S2 broke my heart :)
Definitely gonna watch the 3rd season.
この回は声優さんが収録に参加できなくてキルヒアイスが沈黙したままになったんだっけ…まあいろいろあるよね
梅原君、病気だったからね
While i dont really like this new rebooted LOGH because its to short, to rushed, this final battle was very good. Remnants of 7th fleet engaging Kircheis fleet, priceless! together with music, this is the best scene of entire rebooted LOGH.
I didn't like how they did invasion and Empire people rebellion, but they nailed ep 12.
How is it short and rushed? It showed in 12 episodes the same content as the OVA did in 15 episodes. However 5 of these OVA episodes were mostly or completely filler. Stellar War is going to be 12 more episodes which gives DNT one more episode than the OVA to depict the civil wars.
It does feel rushed, trying to dazzle and display their fancy graphics but making much more accelerated and frenzy speed takes of the ships and tactics instead of taking it slowly, but the biggest sin is not having a more wide sound track or not using the classical music the way the old series did. The older series made it feel classical music was created For LOGH, and the music made it feel like you was watching history, like part time documentary
Γιάννης Νικολάου you’ve clearly not watched the entire original series
@@zhangjeffery1326 More times than you asshole.
I’ll start off by saying I’ve never seen the old series, but I love this new anime.
The way the alliance fighters pivot off a ball vs how the empire fighters move their entire wing is really cool. They genuinely seem evenly matched, maybe a slight edge to the empire due to their complexity. Alliance might be more durable tho. Empire got that devastating cannon. Alliance has more machine guns maybe?
It seems similar to a Japanese Zero vs a USA F6F Hellcat or something along those lines.
Ship design is amazing in this anime. I’m a big fan and would like to talk to others about it!
I wonder why seigfried is so quite and not dishing out any orders, all we see is that he stares intensely while his first officers dish the orders
Kircheis's voice actor called in sick leave during the recording for the final few episodes, they have to edited the scene and had the first officer do it in his place as there's no time left to re-record before it air.
@@machaiping that explains a lot, thanks mate for answering my questions, really appreciate it
@@thearchives1094 also the overall orders didn't need to be changed, just the on-site tactics- the Kirheis fleet was still pursuing the 13th , and Lohengramm's officers are almost telepathic in their execution of instructions so Kirchies didnt have to do anything.
head-canon is they are acting on prepared and pre-defined orders while he evaluates the situation for any modifications.
ヤンとキルヒアイスの戦いにこの突撃が入ったのは初めて見たときビックリしましたね^_^
このアニメが大好きなのは、アニメ、声、一部のキャラクターの自我などの物語が大隊全体を打ち負かす可能性と、優れた戦略とcな心の安らぎが成功につながる方法の驚異的な驚異です。
And this is why an EDF fleet from space yamato 2202 would win. They arent limited to mostly being head to head, but the wave motion guns would make quick work of most those ships
LoGh isn't Focusing on Power but focus on Strategical aspects
@@kiryusannagi5171 Also comparing fleet from two different series is pretty much noncompatible
Ya la temporada 5 !!!!! Ojala salga este año, ya tardaron muchisimo ...de mis series favoritas
第七艦隊 伍赫德司令：掩護第十三艦隊撤退！不用在乎還有多少能源！全艦！把彈藥全投出去！（值得一提的大英雄）
ヤン、副官セイバーに換えたんですか？
キルヒアイスこんな目つき鋭かったっけ？
なんかラインアイスって感じの顔やな
without strategy their numbers count for nothing. Nothing worse in a time of war then crappy tactics / commanders. Supply lines extended. No usage of the terrain. I don' t think they even properly outnumbered em at any point. No first shot / ambush advantage. No surprise either. If they only extended so far and brought iserlohn as a combat forward base into the battle. would've been so different. For the alliance to miss all of these things just means bad leadership. They couldn't really afford the war in the first place either. If they held onto iserlohn for a while instead would've been better too. hell even heinsens ice ships would've been a top tier strategy.
Thank the politicians and "patriotic" people being in charge of coming up with the entire "Free Stars" op plan. Bloody hell, that's probably the single, worst plan I've ever seen to be proposed, and even somehow forced into action.
It should be noted that Geiersburg receiving a warp drive was a shock to everyone. The entire project was an experiment to see if they can even do it. It is only told visually and by statistics but the Empire had the technological, economical and industry advantage over the FPA the whole time. The FPA had to build a civilization from scratch. They had to spend inordinate amount of effort to terraform new planets. Their official discovery by the Empire also heavily constrained the amount of migrants they could have received from the Empire, compared to before. As for statistics for the longest time the FPA always had the numerical disadvantage in battles. The Empire often had twice as many ships they had. This only changed after Ashbey kicked their butt so hard they only recovered recently. Alas they still built the Iserlohn Fortress so they gained the advantage. Thanks to this all the fighting was focused on the Alliance's side for 40 years straight. Every attempt at taking Iserlohn only made the FPA even weaker against the next invasion. Things got so bad that the Alliance has a severe lack of skilled workers as all the youth is getting drained by the war.
Long story short, I'm not even sure they could have outfitted the Iserlohn Fortress with a warp drive. Even if they could, most likely their government vetos the expense. Worse, Iserlohn is considered Yang's power base and you can bet the politicians were scared as hell about Yang turning against them. Giving him a fortress that can park next to Heinessen is likely a no-go.
I can go on further like why the invasion into the Empire was necessary if utterly foolish action and so forth. The point is though that the Alliance has been always the underdog in this war. They are dealt with all the bad cards with their only saving grace being their enthusiasm and motivation to fight. But said enthusiasm got hijacked by populists who kept fanning it to dangerous levels as their vehicle for power.
赤い髪はキルヒアイスなんだろうけど、彼は戦闘中に座らんだろ
自分より年上の兵士や士官が必死に闘ってる時に、椅子に座ってるような人じゃない
そのへんが「原作の理解が足りない」とか「作品に対する愛が足りない」って言われる原因なんだろうね
なんか、違和感があると思いました(^_^;)！
きっしょ、お前ら
ゲルマン系に年上、年下とかで上下関係決まるような文化があるのかな？サッカーの長谷部がドイツでプレーしてた時に10 代の兄ちゃんに水とってくれるって頼まれてエエっ！て思ったと言っていた。
ヤッパリ艦隊戦の描写は難しいね。相対速度が・・・体当たりで無事に済むはずない宇宙速度なんだけど「演出」は大事だという二律背反。
Kailan po next season? 🙏🏻
普通にいいと思う。
艦艇も確かに旧作の方がいいけど時代に即したものだと思う。
ロマンあっていいじゃねーか、
改めて見て思う
沈黙提督 キルヒアイス
石黒版
ヤン・ウェンリー(富山敬)
フレデリカ（榊原良子）
シェーンコップ（羽佐間道夫）
パトリチェフ(塩屋浩三）
ムライ（青野武）
キルヒアイス（広中雅志）
ベルゲングリューン（田中亮一）
ホーウッド（小川直司）
フレデリカ、新作の方がめっちゃ美人だ……
新作、色々言われてるけど、キャラとメカのデザインとビジュアルは新作の方に一票。
どう見ても黒子のバスケやんｗ
30年前のアニメにそこが負けてたら、もうどうしようもないじゃんｗ
@@jeronimo20002000 そこしか拾える部分がないから……ｗ
前回のフレデリカは声が叔母さんすぎた
二十代とは思えない
声については今回の方が合ってる
@@Spicywolf-yn1gt 信者うぜー
ホーウッドカッコ良すぎ
パトリチェフ大佐とフレデリカさんはすぐにわかった。あとはアッテンボローかな？どうしてもわからないのが顎髭のおじさん誰？ムライ少将？
カレーフラッペ ムライ少将。あとアッテンボローでなく、シェーンコップやで(^^)
@@linden8585 シェーンコップ若いな！「俺は中年ではないよ」も、「政府の命令なぞ無視して一斉攻撃なさい！そうすればあなたは三つのものを手に入れることができる」もオッサンだからこそ映えるのに…。
ノイエ版ではこの時はまだアッテンボロー登場してないですね。
ノイエ版だとこの時アッテンボローはウランフ提督の艦隊にいるので…
@@namahumoti 旧作でもアッテンボローはウランフ提督旗下ですよ。撤退時に先頭任されてるので。
Yes but it's not 800 dollars. I think I'll stick to the books.
The best anime like star wars
Dont compare that Hollywood bullshit to art of LOGH ( OVA, of course, compare Die Neue These with wathever you want)
Stat Wars isn't bullshit. Just isn't a masterpiece.
I feel like this anime is much more better because it has better space battles, diplomacy and characters.
@@maxxrr7389 Do yourself a favor and watch the old OVA. It has much more details about it's world , and characters are better (specelly Yang and Siegfried).
@@billsykes2977 Yeah, and it's longer than any other OVA on the face of the planet with the fact that you can skip several episodes and still be waiting for action. Basically, the pace is crap, even more crap than anime like the original Mobile Suit Gundam...
I disliked how they changed things around in the remake. In the original the 7th fleet didn't even put up a fight and surrendered to the kircheis fleet. And the 13th fleet faced the kircheis fleet by themselves outnumbered 4 to 1 and held their position until they received orders to head to the Amritsar starzone.
It's was even implied kircheis was actually superior to Yang in strategy in the original. How did they manage to make Yang even more of a Mary sue?
@@joehill4094I don't think kircheis was more skilled than yang. Yang spent virtually his entire life devoted to the study of history/military history and had an almost psychic ability to read political situations and the battlefield. In the books you get more access to Yang's mind and his insights into history/war. He'd also been in the military longer than both Reinhard and Kircheis. In this particular case kircheis had a fleet four times the size of Yang's 13th fleet. If not for kircheis's strategy of gradually wearing down the 13th fleet by continuous fighting and cycling out of his vangaurd. If kircheis at this point in the story had chosen to go the route of total destruction. He would have annihilated the 13th Fleet with ease and there wouldn't have been much that Yang with all his strategic genius could have done about it.
同盟軍の艦がとても好き
辛い決断です。
anyone know the Music in the beginning?
Its called Advance
Wow even the "Best" fights in this new one are worse then the worst ones in the old one.
Plz when is the second season
this fall. news came out today :D
@@joshuafrothunder Reading the eight volume of the orgnal story... I wish this abomnation would not continue any longer.
@@makosensei9998 It's actually good you 1988 fanboy.
@@RakaZet It's stupidly simplistic... And that might explain why you like it.
@@makosensei9998 I've watched the original and this one is good but not as good. Season 2 gets better.
Everyone knows the first & second BGM?
2nd is 2:00
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First BGM is called Advance th-cam.com/video/kTNKuc2TvVc/w-d-xo.html
銀河英雄傳說, 제 大學 時節, 즐겨 읽으며 큰 꿈을 키우게 만들어준 所重한 小說이었습니다. 함께 政治의 冷酷함도 배울 수 있었죠, 韓國 小說 中에서는 이러한 스케일의 이야기가 없어요. 現在까지도.
Quite seldom to see Hanja woven with Hangul writings
ホーウッド中将か!スーファミ版銀英伝ではイゼルローンに救援に来てロイエンタールらを蹴散らす戦果を上げたな。
這樣子的改寫其實很不錯，
如果可以的話我真的希望兩個艦隊都能撤退...
小說版是13艦隊一邊一撤退一邊收集其他艦隊的殘兵，第10艦隊逃出來的殘兵後來與13艦隊合流，亞典波羅此時是第10艦隊分隊司令，第9艦隊殘兵也向13艦隊合流，剩下的殘兵向第5艦隊合流，除了第5，第8，第13基本上都是毀滅性打擊，最慘是第12艦隊只剩6艘投降，第7是全面投降，後來的換俘我認為第7艦隊的人佔多數
@@loadring2002
我看過小說，
我知道，
所以有很多說不出的遺憾，
即使在看新翻拍的改編版也是。
@@gamerjasonwu5192 其實看完會覺得共和的戰略充滿問題，前線指揮居然都是中將，共和艦隊基本上都是各自為戰，但是帝國前線是除了各艦隊是一打ㄧ外，吉爾菲艾斯艦隊為前線指揮加支援隊，所以還有三分之一回國算奇蹟，那幾個中將基本都是被搞掉，最可惜是伍蘭夫跟波羅汀，沒有他們二個拖住，共和軍沒到亞姆力札應會全滅
@@loadring2002 我不知道現在小說的版本是改成怎樣，但小說最早的版本亞典波羅是在第5集尤里安的初陣才登場，在此之前沒有任何描述
@@fenix11208
我接觸到的小說版本，
亞典波羅是在第十艦隊潰敗突圍的時候被伍蘭夫提督叫出來打突圍先鋒。
不包含外傳的登場時間序的話。
His sacrifice was not in vein
旧作を知らない友人が見て、超気に入ってたよ。
そいつは、アニメ見る時に、作画やCGの美しさを最重要視してて、声優の演技やBGMとかはあまり気にしないタイプだけどね。
やっぱ前作に比べると見劣りするけど神アニメ
Can someone please give me the OST for thisss
原作が、良いとデザイン変わっても名作
2023 ?
Where the season 3?
It was announced, we dont know when it will be released through. You can watch movies however.
Ok , What is the name of the film, let me find it
@@jason-son1985 There are multiple. If you use shinden, you can use first season's page to find sequels
@@budowniczypylonow7026 ok thanks
誰が誰だかわかんねえ
銀英伝あるあるですねwwww
旧作は同じ顔が多かったから余計でした
@@半和-z7o ルッツとワーレンの区別がつかん(w
Ai vietnam cho minh biêt tưa phim gi ko ạ
Thái Đỗ Mùa 1 là Ginga eiyuu densetsu: die neue these - kaikou. Mùa 2 gồm 3 phần là Ginga eiyuu densetsu: die neue these - seiran 1, 2 và 3. Hiện tại phim mới chỉ có 2 mùa, tổng cộng 24 tập.
Battle of Loum
It look like star war and gundam
Kind of a mix. Compared to previous two, LOGH has a shitton characters and Im not even kidding. If you compare star wars and LOGH in its depiction of space battles you can notice that LOGH throws thousands of ships compared to SW bringing just a couple at best. I didnt watch gundam so I cant leave my opinion on that part.
In sw the total of isd is 23k ships, while in lotgh 1 fleet can up to 20+k ships
ノイエでホーウッド中将が1番好き！
This is a new episode?
It's from right at the end of ep 12.
Oh tanks
@@ridhorizqi5589 No problem. :)
ヤン艦隊がいなければズタボロ(笑)
残念ながら、アムリッツァは「新世界より」で刷り込まれてるんだよな😭
音楽だけ旧作にしてほしい😭
BGMがクラッシックじゃないだけで、せっかく最新のアニメ制作技術でリメイクしたのに、旧作より安っぽく見えてしまいますよね。
Where the season 2
Badtz Maru Season 2 is the trilogy movies: seiran 1, 2 and 3.
The news about season 2 is out.It's gonna be 24 episodes.
残存艦隊軽視して思わぬ反撃食らうとかキルヒアイスらしくないしヤンの反応も薄い。
いや、流石に9割の損耗をだした艦隊が突っ込んでくるとは思わんて。戦闘可能なレベルまで指揮系統を再編するのも大変だし、千隻程度の集団が生き残ろうとするなら味方と合流しようとするのが普通。逆にやけになって突撃かけてくる猪ならそも最初の交戦の時点で玉砕してるだろう。
あと、9割失って僅か1000隻単位の少数集団になったから索敵網などでも見落としたって部分もあるだろうね。
ヤンの性格ではせっかく命を拾ったのに残存艦隊を率いて玉砕前提で突撃するなんて愚かな行為だとか言い捨てそうですが、それを薄い反応で表現しているのかも知れませんね。
少なくとも幕僚たちが敬礼して見送る軍人的行動には「おやおや…」と冷ややかに受け止めていそうだし、そうでないとキャラがブレブレなんですよね。
ホーウッドが優遇されてる。
ここは…クルものが
心臟沙沙給油
キルヒアイスがまるで指示を出さない・・・
事情が別コメに
病気で欠席です
この回は収録時声優さんが喉の病気にかかって手術してたから…
この回は収録時声優さんが喉の病気にかかって手術してたから…
しかし、同盟軍のユニフォームの後ろ姿の間抜けはことよ！
もっと締まったっデザインに出来ないものか？
ベレーも似合う人と似合わない人がいるのだがな。
それは旧作からの引き続き出はあるのだが。
懐古厨の文句はOVAの絶望的な作画で一蹴できる。
そして、OVAを見た人はリメイク版の安っぽさを自覚する…
せめて、新作もBGMがクラシックだったら少しは違ったけど
If only the remake kept everything exactly the same but with better action and spaceships. like keep the character design and dialogue the same but just improve the battles. not change it into shouennsnhit.
Shounen shit?? What do you mean?
@@Vin.1904 the power of friendship i suppose
political story is great, space battle is suck. anyway still not bad.
But space battles are epic duuuude. Way batter than star wars or star trek
@@budowniczypylonow7026 Too many ships, too many manpower depletion, well...
演出家の腕が悪いのかなぁ。人が紙芝居みたいに並んでるし、表情、動きもロボットみたいで、人間味、現実味が無い。戦闘シーンに力を入れてるのはわかるんだけど、銀英伝の良さはそこじゃないのがわかってない気がする。
This is not for me. This 2 minute clip bored me to death I can't even imagine what will happen if I sit down to watch the whole damn episode.
いくら少数とはいえ、あんな至近まで近づかないとホーウッド艦隊を発見できないほどキルヒアイスは無能じゃないし… 結果的に味方を犠牲にして撤退したヤン艦隊はもはやミラクルヤンでもない… 原作の小説でも多大の犠牲を出しながら撤退したときちんと記述あるのだから、余計な演出は入れないで欲しかったな
０距離ワープでの出現でしょうか？
確かこのときの第七艦隊は損耗率9割だっけか。まあそれだけうち減らされると指揮系統を再編して戦闘集団として機能させるのも一苦労だし、普通は敵を避けつつ近くの味方と合流はかって撤退するものだからなあ。それに第七艦隊に一番近い位置にいたとはいえ、第13艦隊との会敵場所は第七艦隊との戦った場所といくらか離れてるから追っかけてきてるとも思わなかったんだろう。
焼き増しでここまで酷評されてれる漫画も珍しいよなぁ・・・ドラえもんがごとく時間がたてば自然になるとは到底おもえん。
信者うぜー
新作は同盟軍提督を格好良く描くために、特にキルヒアイスが無能化してるんだよな・・・
Propaganda of Totalitarian States:
Reality
キャラクターは描き分けられているんだけど、能面みたいに表情が乏しいんだよな。人形劇ならそれでもいいかもしれんけど。人形劇三国志みたいに。
キャラデザがバスケうまそうなこと以外普通に面白そうに見えるのになぁ
バスケうまそうなのだけはなんとかしてほしいけど
シスコンカイザーと歴史家志望の顔面偏差値が変わらんとかおかしいよ……
芳忠さんは良い。そこ以外は旧作のほうが好き。
ホーウッド見たいのが、死ぬから、同盟軍はこの後、駄目になってくんだよな。
確かに原作や旧作アニメでヤンがキルヒアイス艦隊の追撃を振り切った描写が無くて
簡単に司令部と合流している印象があったけど、こういうヒロイズム的なのは要らないんだよなぁ。。。
確かにホーウッドは占領地でも開墾など長期的で地道な補給を模索していた良将の一人ではあったけど
他の同盟の将官と同じく占領地市民の暴動を抑えられなかったし
ヤンの他ではビュコックとウランフ、ボロディン以外は暴動を抑えることができず、帝国の戦略に見事にはまっている。
（ただしウランフもボロディンも結局は戦死）
（地味にアップルトンの第八艦隊は3割の損害に抑えているので、彼もましな方？ただし暴動は抑えられていないので・・・）
そういう中でのヤンの戦略・戦術眼の両面で卓越した点、同盟軍の腐敗の深刻度合い、
それに比してラインハルト・オーベルシュタインの冷徹さや戦略の巧みさを表現しているところなので
それをぼやけさせかねないこういうシーンはどうなのかな。。。とは思う。
なんかガン◎ムを見ているような。
そういったヒロイズム的な面はポプラン、シェーンコップ、ユリアンがちゃんとやってくれているので
何を表現したいかのフォーカスがぶれる付け足しには、慎重になって欲しい。
ミノフスキー粒子があるならともかく笑 あれだけの近距離の接近までホーウッド艦隊に気づかないわけない いくら目の前の敵に集中してるからと言ってなぁ… ヤンを持ち上げるために無理やりキルヒアイスに失点させた演出に違和感 やっぱり古臭くても同人作画より初代が良いよね
信者うぜー
いつの間にか右翼に回られてる！とか、そういったのは、アスターテのときとか普通に作中にあるだろ。別におかしくもなんともない。
おそらく０距離ワープ
Utter trash aa compared to the original.
stfu
@@budowniczypylonow7026 You stfu
@@TaintedFaith88 stfu
でも悲しいけど、モビルスーツが量産されたらコイツ等はただの的なんだよね
それはない。ガンダムと銀英は技術レベルからして隔絶してるし、そもそも銀英の交戦距離はかなりの遠距離戦だからMSが戦場に到達できない。
スパルタニアンとワルキューレのパイロットはあのスピードで目視で照準合わせて射撃するバケモノだらけやぞ
MSなんてミノ粉撒いてても的にしかならん
ホーランド提督かっこいいんだけどさ、顔のデザインが間抜けっぽいんだよなぁ。締まらん
これが有名な無口なキルヒアイス？
ホーウッド提督も無理せず撤退すれば後々の数少ない貴重な指揮官になってもらえたろうに。
これ，ホーウッドと13艦隊はいいけど第７艦隊の兵士はたまったもんじゃないよな。
平家物語の佐藤継信みたいに個人が犠牲になるなら好きにすればいいけど第７艦隊の兵士を生還させることも大事なんじゃないの？
第13艦隊を助けることは同盟軍全体を利するからそれはいいんだけど，第7艦隊が生存しうる作戦じゃないってのがリアリティなくしてるんだよな。普通は自分も助かる方法を考えるでしょうに。何馬鹿みたいに突っ込んでんだよ。
単にキルヒアイスの邪魔をすればいいんだから，突っ込んでいかなくてもいいんじゃないのって思っちゃう。関ケ原での島津みたいに前方退却とかならまだわかるけど完全に玉砕みたいな印象だし。ドラマチックではあるけれど安っぽい演出って印象。
この作品ってキャラクターとかその思想とか人間関係はわりと好きなんだけど，戦術面ではなぜそうなるってのが多いんだよな。同盟軍の艦隊司令官がそろいもそろって無能だし。司令官って普通エリートだと思うんだけど，その辺の勇ましいおっさんくらいの能力しかない。相手が動いてるって見て分かるのにやられるまで何もしなさすぎるんだよ。
戦艦の性能差なんてそんなに差がないんだろうから，どうやったらそんなに帝国軍と差がつくのか分からない。なんでこんなに帝国軍の損害が少ないんだって感じ。同盟軍は反撃してないの？まず各艦隊が普通に会戦してればそれなりに帝国軍にも損害が出ているはずだと思うんだけど。
で，この動画じゃないけどビッテンフェルトがワルキューレ出して攻撃できなくなってヤンから一歩的にやられるシーンがあるけど，ワルキューレどかせよって思う。最短距離で飛んでいきたいのは分かるけどなんでわざわざ邪魔するように艦砲が発射できない場所を飛んでいくんだよ。大軍が配置できる空間なんだから上にも下にも避ける場所あるだろ。そんなんだったら艦載機発進させた時点で戦艦の砲撃できなくなって負け確定じゃん。艦載機いつ使えるんだよ。他の会戦では問題なく使えてるのになんでこの時はそうなるんだよって感じで戦場の動きが不自然なんだよな。
戦艦のエネルギーがなくなって弾が打てない，シールドがはれない状況なら差がつくのは分かるけど見てる限りその辺りは大丈夫なようだし。食料がない，士気が低いで差がつくかね。白兵戦じゃないんだから。戦艦の能力が下がるわけでもないだろうに。同盟軍はだらだら戦っているの？生き死にの戦争をしているいわば極限状態でそんな風になるとは思えないんだよな。
ってファンタジーに突っ込んでも無粋なことだね。自分でもなんだかなっては思うけど，気になっちゃうんだよな～。
ホーウッド提督、突撃シーンもひねりがないし、キャラデザ的にもカッコいいとは思わない。2回以上見ると今一つな演出に見える。キルヒアイスが療養中だったことも含め、作り直していいレベルだと思う。旧作の中間管理職の悲哀みたいな演出の方が残念ではあるけど感情移入出来た。