Putting the "MODIFY" In 351w How To Roller Cam a 351 Windsor 💪
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- When deciding on a 351w this mod will definitely help your windsor make more power and have plenty of cam choices!
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My Goodness... This is what I wanted to know with visuals but the other bloggers didn't touch on very well. The diff. Between 93' & down 351W vs. The 94'-97' 351W motor. Especially the cam information on roller & non roller & how to convert it to roller. Great info 👍
Thank you
@@Neomustangs No 🚫 Neo. Thank you...
I have a 1972 351 W that I put a Lunati roller cam and roller hydraulic lifters in. Used the dog bone retainer, drilled and tapped the bolt holes for the spring to hold the dog bones. Ran fine but had very low oil pressure. Called Lunati told them about the problem and was told that what I did won't work even though the catalog said it would. Seems that it needed to use the link bar lifters to maintain oil pressure. So I used Lunati link bar hydraulic roller lifters, shorter pushrods. Got my oil pressure back and has been running fine for six years. It is always something. 🙄
Huge 351W guy here got a 400 stroker in my 72 Gran Torino and a first gen lightning I’m building currently bone stock motor
Been busy building a 7.3 but did score a f4te 351 a week ago. Going to be going back through the 351 content.
I watched this on my TV but got out the cellphone to post a comment. I understand that comments help your channel so, here I am!
I don't have a Mustang (Personally, I Love my Challenger!) but I am building a version of your budget stroker and want to go roller with my 1973 351W engine. I am building this to go in my 1966 Fairlane GTA 2 door hardtop. She's a beautiful Gal! I mean who couldn't love a car that has Hips! Anyway, she deserves the best and I appreciate your information. I really want a tremac 6spd but that will have to be down the road. That's one part I can't find in a junkyard.
Ya'll Take care and know that you helped make an old Fairlane into a bruiser, down in Georgia. Thank you, John
If I remember correctly the early 94 lightning didn’t have a roller block or it might of been early 93. not fully sure. I had 2 94 lightning’s and both had roller blocks. I miss those trucks. 😢 But my 20 year old son bought me 93 SSP coupe and I couldn’t be happier.I also remember back in the day the gen 1 lightnings were all speed density and finding a cam that would work with the factory computer was a bitch. A lot of the guys including me would use the factory mustang cam and that would wake the truck up a little bit given they came factory with the GT 40 heads and the GT 40 upper and lower. Of course the upper sat opposite of the mustang as the throttle body was on the right side.
$ 300,000 to 600,000😮 link bar lifters 😮
Love this channle .. use to have a 302 93 gt .. sold it 12 years ago .. well looking at buying another one with a 351 .. ur channles giving great info on what's involved in this swap and what to look for . Going tonight to look at the car
Summit and Ford Performance has the roller conversion spider and dogbone retainer conversion for around $79. And they come with the shorter bolt so you don't get into the cam bearing. That's awesome if you do b t already have the spider setup. Thank you for the comparison video brother. Some really good info.
Thank you so much for the advise
Thanks for showing the difference, as I'm wanting to find another or 2-351W 's
keep your work Neo!
Awesome info as always, and the follow up support/feedback in the comments is icing on the the cake.
Yes sir just what I needed to know ford 💪💪.
Best video I’ve seen on this so far. Wish it was out 12-13 yrs back when I did this mod . Scratching my head returning parts to summit
Love your knowledge of the awesome Ford engine the 351 Windsor in a 302 are really bulletproof for what they are you take it to a new level love all your videos Ford powered forever baby keep on pulling the knot out of them boties and the horns off them mopars l love it
Thanks 👍
I have a 93 E150 with a F4TE roller motor from factory, I’ve had the van for 23 years and it’s August 93 production date. So not all 93 truck motors are non roller.
hi, good information as always thanks
I am in the process of doing a conversion swap and can't wait thank you for the information
Good luck!
Great content on the ford engines
Good stuff 💪
Great info, can you do a indepth video of the hyperutectic,and forged pistons. I'm thinking about this 387 deal alot as a Dailey for my pickup. But want forged.
Spot on.
Keep up the good infob😊
Great info! Flat tappet is also a great budget option if you don't have a good roller cam. I was not planning on building a 351, but the one I brought to FTO did not sell - what to put it in 🤔
Awesome stuff, a ton of info. Just living through you bud, all of this interests me , just enjoy all of the differences between different generations of motors. Just being all about Fords.
Right on!
Hey thanks gives me something to think about
Good info brother!
Appreciate it!
@@Neomustangs are you still going to be doing the install video of the team? Z tubular radiator support?
In the process now of collecting parts to build 88 351w to 408 to put in 94 cobra. Gonna do the dog bone swap for the lifters, brodix heads with Anderson b41. Hopefully done by FTO
A lot of great information. I really want to do a swap later when I can afford it.
Cool man GL with that!
@@Neomustangs Thanks man. All the info gives me more confidence in it. Lol
Thanks for the great info. Building a off road Bronco it’s a 1992. But plan on using a 1994 Bronco 351W motor and trans.
If you get a 94 and up be sure to replace the fuel pressure regulator as they will go bad without any warning leaving you at the side of the road. I know. 😒
I have a 4FTE 1994 lightning 351,I wanna use one of my foxbody cams,and lifters in it,Id like to reuse the stock pedistal rockers also,just curious if you know what pushrods would fit if stock would work?Thanks for all the content brother....
2-3-400 bucks? Lol nah man these market place prices are out of control. People are fuckin high asking like 2 racks for a short block. Just gotta keep hitting the yard. Make no mistake I love the channel bro and all the killer info.
Yes sir thanks !
Ive been a Ford guy for many years and I do plan on building a 351W. I had rebuilt my very first 302 with a friend in 2016. I feel like I want to explore the world of 351W and push 800 whether I get an older or newer 351W block.
I would get the 83 and up. They have the one-piece rear main seal that is less apt to leak. I had to use the early block because of smog test regulations and the two-piece seal like to leak no matter what you do to it.
Awesome channel! I'm looking to upgrade my 302 2v. to a 351 NA. Are any of your stoker budget builds for sale?
No not atm. 351 is the way to go if your at that choice!?
Awesome informative video for me. I'm going through the swap now. Keeping it a street engine. Want it to thump though when needed. Ìve also heard some things about the lifter bore being different between the two blocks and link bar lifters are required. This is first I've heard of the dog bones being used in a 351w. Interesting. Not saying it's wrong at all and just another resource if possible. Nice info.
Thx
Yes I had a problem with low oil pressure going from a flat tappet to a roller cam and lifters on a 351 W. Do your home work first before trying this or it could get expensive.
What's a safe and modest Cid for my stock 351w build ..least amount of issues ran into
It has been quite awhile since the I’ve compared the two but I will say this. Drilling and tapping for the lifter hold down isn’t the answer. The lifter bore is 1/8-1/4” shorter on a non roller. Even with a stock cam the lifter is sticking out of the bore way too much. Go ahead and drop a stock lifter in with that aftermarket high lift cam you got and show us how it looks at full lift…
agreed, around here at least a roller tall deck Windsor is easy enough to nab if someone wants one BUT i own a house so buying stuff when it comes up, just to store it in a bag of WD40 until I'm ready to find a car to dump it in, is also not a problem. But I also don't mind a flat tappet camshaft with variable duration lifters and zinc'd up break in oil to make a street and strip engine package. not to mention high RPM Windsors tend to need some machining on their lifter bores to get 'em straight and true.
@@albertgaspar627That is part of the process of blue printing an engine making sure that You get everything within spec's and You can build just about anything from mild to wild depending on your budget ! Great Content , Thank You . 🇺🇸🇵🇷🦊👍
@@ferdinandcuevas8457 i'd also throw in, that you can get things up to the engineer's specs (ie, blueprint) and sometimes you can decide to take things beyond that...for example, a single carb setup tends to run the outboard cylinders leaner than the inboard simply because the intake runners are longer but the camshaft timing is the same for all the intake valve openings. so if you're running, let's say stock stamped "bathtub style" rocker arms to fit a racing class, measure all of them. you'll probably find some have bigger ratios from valve tip to pushrod tip. if you use those on the outside cylinders, they are holding the outside cylinders' intake valves open a little bit longer than the inboard cylinders.
will it make a noticable difference? likely not but it can combine with other tricks done while "Blueprinting" to add up performance, and its "free" in that it only costs time.
In order to do the drill and tap it is essential that you use a retro fit cam
It has smaller base circles on the cam to adjust for the difference in height of the lifters between non roller block.
2 options for roller conversion, either retro fit cam and drill and tap with spider
Or
Regular 302/351w style cam with link bar lifters.
I always found retro fit cam easier cause link bar lifters were always 3x to 4x more expensive then the cam
If you drill and tap a non roller 351w block for factory roller lifters y ou have to run a small base circle cam or it will cause catastrophic engine failure. The lifters will run to high in the bores and will starve engine for oil.
When would you have to use a small base circle cam?
as a bracket racer i just use a flat tappet with roades lifters low cost low maintenance don t find any benefit to roller untill more than 240 duration at 50 good video
What cams have you found that work good ?
On the non roller blocks the lifter bore I shorter so the stock roller lifters stick to far out of the block, so you need a reduced base cycle cam, is the case with 351ws?
About to start a 351w build what heads / pistons do you recommend planning on using n-61 cam and supercharger.
There’s lots of good heads and pistons choices. Not much different than 302. Just remember 351 strokers have decent compression
What about a mexican block?
Do you know anyone that’s put the 8 pack? The Webber sets?
I have a 1995 f250 351w with ZF 5 speed trans, had the whole truck. Swapping it into my 1973 bronco. It ran great in the truck but had 200k miles. I am going to refresh it, send it to a machine shop at which point I thought why not stroke it, not looking for high revs just about 400hp. I want to go forged bottom end for longevity and new heads. Can I keep my stock crank and just do rods and pistons? What parts would u suggest. I also want to switch it over to a MAF, are there good after markets or should I just try and find a late 90s bronco setup. Just trying to do it reasonable and make a bullet proof off road rig.
Also considering an A9L or full aftermarket ECU, what do u run as an ECU?
Can you change the link bar retrofit lifters with the heads still on or do you have to remove the heads?
I’m pretty sure you can just take them out
I have a '90 that I need to rebuild and want to add to the massive factory HP of 210. I really want to convert to rollers. I had read/seen somewhere else that the roller conversion requires a smaller base circle cam (on a flat tappet block) because the lifter bores are shorter and using a standard cam they will come up out of the hole?
Yes they will.
Neo what bearing clearances are you running in your 351w?
2.5
hey, got a question, searched the web and getting conflicting info, can i use e7 heads on an 1986 flat top piston 5.0? the original e6 heads are gone
I probably wouldnt as that motor had no valve reliefs iirc.
@@Neomustangs ok thanks
I have a question?? Will a 94-98 v6 3.8l bellhousing fit a 351w with a T5?? Someone told me it would but I wanted to ask an expert. I had a stock 92 5.0 bellhousing somewhere but can't find it or it got stolen. And I can't find a 5.0 bellhousing anywhere without an extremely high stupid price on it. Thanks for your videos!!
no
Ok so what other one will fit a T5?@@Neomustangs
3.850 stroke, 4.030 piston, equals 392.xx cubes, or a 393.
lightnings bud don't forget about them
I generally leave hard to find engines out of the equation tbh. IIRC all a lightning block is, is a 351w roller w/ GT40 heads on it. Cobra cam?
think your right I do remember them having hyper pistons
A 302 can handle 500 horse max right
When tuned right it should be fine. Timing conservative, fuel good and no boost spike..
Don’t forget ford started putting roller blocks into the trucks in 93 sometime because the roller Windsor I bought that is stamped f4te came out of a 93 f250 so sometime in 93 they started swapping over. Do not ignore the 93 trucks make sure you check them out it could be a roller!
It was a late year thing yes. I had thought my 93 block i pulled from E250 there in this video would be a roller and it wasnt.
Love your content buddy keep it coming, you’re one of the main reasons I am building a Windsor in my 87 ttop gt!
@@MrLocomechanic Hell ya man! They are tough.
Absolutely brother all around great engine!
@@Neomustangs So if I don't want to do roller rockers but I want to put a letter cam in a 93' or lower engine 351w I can just put some Link Lifters & the letter cam? That's it?