AUTHOR'S NOTES AND DONATION LINKS: At the end of the video I suggest some content creators that serve as better alternatives to Isaac's content. While these creators may be far from perfect, I think they're far more suitable examples of traditional masculinity used for positive reasons. I specifically used examples of traditional masculinity because that's the niche Isaac supposedly fills, so I wanted to highlight that masculinity doesn't always have to be advocated for with the hatred Isaac thinks it does. I should also be clear that I'm not shaming Isaac for not going to the gym or looking like a bodybuilder. It's not about that. I'm more concerned with how he cynically employs one of my favourite hobbies in order to lend more credibility to his anti-woke hate preaching, and gain esteem from effort he never put in to begin with. There are plenty of decent role models filled with integrity out there, so let's make sure to share as many as we can! DONATE TO MEN'S MENTAL HEALTH CHARITIES NOW: MANUP Men's mental health: www.manup.how/ MOVEMBER: us.movember.com/mens-health/mental-health
laugh out loud you've just noticed something so the other 20 years you was totally oblivious to it. what about the last 40 years of social Decay from socialism have you noticed that? how's about if we were forced into World War III through socialism and all the obesity overweight men in the country how they supposed to defend the people if they was call to help
I can’t believe I used to watch this guy. I still remember the day I stopped as he reacted and full on body shamed an overweight woman, however this woman’s overweightness clearly came from her loose skin, meaning she had put in tons of work to better herself and get in shape, only for this tosser to bully her. That’s when I realised it doesn’t matter what the people he criticises do, he just wants to get mad and his audience also just want to get mad and have people to project their own issue onto. So yeah not the best guy.
Great video--by the end it really shines a light on all manipulative content that preys on our prejudices. They're not interested in solving problems, but instead in creating problems in the minds of their viewers.
Good video, and actually, I see this all the time - projected self-loathing and leveraging it as a standard. Not being fat anymore doesn't mean you stop being a resentful fat kid. Not being a virgin anymore doesn't mean you stop being a hateful incel. Being able to pass doesn't stop you being that hypervigilant hypercritical egg. Glowing-up doesn't stop ugly behavior or thinking. Getting rich doesn't endow you with class or taste. etc. Also, the gym videos not getting views is a classic case of people in communities like this not wanting to be reminded of the standards they don't live up to, and only wanting to see OTHER PEOPE failing to do so. They dont' want hope, they want hate. Its a cope. Its catharsis.
I really agree. I've noticed a whole bunch of weird, reactionary rhetoric in the fitness community in recent years, and part of me wonders how much of it comes from these resentful young men successfully "looksmaxxing" without changing their personality AT ALL.
@@datamale Thanks! ^.^ And yeh theres that but also I see this element of like "if your self-improvement is rooted in hatred or sadness of any kind, you'll never be happy because you're trying to deny or reject an outward reality (your body etc.) that is rooted in and affected by, an inward one (how you think and feel), rather than grounding change in inward acceptance, understanding and self-mercy. Only this is a healthy bedrock upon which you can build the best version of yourself. Anything else is a house built on sand.
Oh I'd also just say I'm a 10 without even thinking about it. I mean if we're reducing a person to an arbitrary number I might as well give myself the highest number possible, right? It's the fastest way of highlighting how stupid and pointless the whole exercise is in any social setting where there's 1 or more people who are inclined to think of beauty in mathematical terms. It's not like they're going to bother trying to explain why I am, in fact, not "a 10", that'd just make them come off as an asshole to everyone listening. If, on the other hand, I try to explain my actual thoughts on the whole 10 point scale thing and why it's bad I might come off as a huge nerd. And being a huge nerd in many social situations may very well be worse than being an asshole of equal size. I AM a 10 and if you think of yourself as less than a 10 - you're thinking wrong, get well soon.
The idea of Isaac, a man who recently became a father and touts himself as a role model/ enforcer & preacher of traditional masculinity, weeping at the idea of somebody thinking they're attractive, would be endlessly funny if it wasn't so pathetic and damaging.
God the comments from his supporters are so embarrassing. You can tell how young they are and the one track mind of trying to put others down to make themselves feel better but trying to convince themselves it’s other people who are soft.
I do wish there were training routines tailored to disabled people. I can't trust these schematic workout things to not include leg workouts that are impossible for me to do without harming myself due to my knee arthritis. Training is connected to harm in my head already because it is so painful and from all the passing out while doing it, but I want to build at least a bit of muscle.
Thank you for this video! It's so important to talk about this. I'm so done with men (though it's not only men ofc) hating on women's (again, not only) bodies, behaviour or whatever the hell they feel like at the time and never facing any consequences to their actions. They are already talking from the position of privilege and the fact that they have to put people down because of their personal insecurities or to gain money, respect, popularity etc. is just so disgusting to me. I wonder what could be done to stop or combat this, it's scary how normalized it has become.
And also, these creators not only project their insecurities on their 'targets', but also their audiences (which I guess is mostly men), not only making them suffer, but potentially creating this never-ending cycle of hate towards both themselves and 'others'. It's so sad and I really see that there is not many alternatives to this type of content (at least in terms of content directed at men), especially ones that would be at the same level of entertainment. But maybe I'm a bit of a doomer here and there is? I just haven't seen it that much, so I'm not surprised young men gravitate toward this.
I saw that you showed a couple of alternatives, which is super super nice, I meant like in terms of non-gym content btw - more like the podcast you showed etc. :)
Hello. I'm a fan of Isaac Butterfield, and I clicked on the video, because I was curious what you have to say. Firstly, I apologize for all the Isaac Butterfield fans storming the comments who are just mindlessly accusing you of being "woke". I hate when fans of a person I like act like immature babies. Secondly, I completely understand your dislike towards Isaac Butterfield. He's definitely an acquired taste, and I could understand being turned off by his content. Personally, as a person who's not only fat, but currently making measures to prevent sleep apnea, I honestly enjoy the way that Isaac calls out the hypocrisy of the body positivity movement, and I personally his blunt and sarcastic sense of humor. But at the same time, I like how in depth you go with this video (I genuinely didn't know about the workout program and his stint with epilepsy), and how you recommend alternatives to his content. They seem like genuinely cool people, and I always appreciate seeing people boost other channels. So yeah, just wanted to give my opinion, apologize for some of the more toxic Butterfield fans. Have a lovely day. Also, yeah you're not missing much with the Whatever Podcast. From what little I've seen of it, it's pretty much just vapid brainrot. Sydney Watson actually made a pretty good video on the Whatever Podcast called "Making hot girls look dumb for views".
Great video! Always excited to see a new upload from this channel. Im a (cis) woman and I disagree with most of what I've heard from those alpha male/misogynist influencers. They're in their own little echo chamber and focus on reinforcing opinions that serve them and their biases. And profit madly bc people flock to echo chambers. But I can understand a little why some of their audiences might be there They were obviously wrong to bully that girl and fat people in general. But fat activism/acceptance has aligned itself with genuinely progressive movements. And leftists who do speak against fat acceptance get harassed by other leftists who aren't educated in how obesity is unhealthy and that "fat activists" have lied, co opt, and dilute real movements against issues like racism for their own selfish purpose. Most people recognize the truth that excessive fat is unhealthy and when they see fat acceptance being peddled as a civil rights issue I see them start to write off actual progressive issues. So I think at least some of the audience is there because on that subject at least they are hearing something closer to the truth, and mix up brutal honesty and bullying Id recommend channels like Sam at every size, the body honesty project, Nadya nymph, funtie times as channels from a women's perspective that challenge the fat acceptance movement in depth without becoming bullying.
I absolutely agree! There are a lot of valid critiques of the fat acceptance movement to be made, for example their reductive attitudes towards disability that often exclude other people because they aren't the "right" kind of disabled for their movement. This video originally started as a piece on the issues with the so-called "Anti-Fat Acceptance Movement" and how a valid criticism can pave the way for more nefarious intentions to seep through instead. That's how I found Isaac's content in the first place. I was so overwhelmed with disgust for how he appropriates gym culture that I just had to make a separate video for him instead.
I stopped reading when you said “cis woman” while lecturing about echo chambers I’m 35, never once in the workplace have I heard that term, never once at my kids school, never once at trade school, never once when I was in the military travelling thousands of kilometres, at college (where I am now) earning a degree, never once in my social circles You’re in an echo chamber forcing your preferred language on people and you’re so dogmatic you can’t even see it lol
@@johnnytower6169 I'm in an echo chamber but you apparently shut down and "stop reading" when someone uses a phrase you don't hear in your own circles? Just because I have certain perspective doesn't mean I believe everyone else SHOULD share my view. Personally I operate with the understanding that different people have different understandings of gender. for some it's that gender correlates strictly with sex and for some it doesn't. I happen to somewhat agree with the understanding of gender as a concept. people think differently, some more traditional and some more progressive and neither one should be forced to change their mind. I just used "cis" because I initially was going to mention something related and thought it would be good clarification for the subject, but then i didn't. I just used a word that can sometimes be useful. Youre the one who seems to want to force your preferred language onto me bc you had a breakdown over my own use of a word.
@@Shutt1ngupn03 I stopped reading cos you contradicted yourself. I read your whole reply because it was directed at me. It’s like when someone says “I can’t stand people with dogmatic views” and then says “calling a woman a chick, even if it’s done affectionately is a sexiest and I can’t be around them”. I’ll just walk away and shake my head I don’t care about people’s feelings around their gender they can be who they want, but I won’t change my everyday language over them either. Dress and be who you want as long as I and others don’t have to change or make concessions not provided to others Besides the outcomes for people who transition are much worse than other members of society, most countries who officially supported transition now do not and I myself believe that encouraging a mental disorder is cruel and shows a weakness of character that would rather not rock the boat and even make concessions that effect the majority others rather than cause conflict with a tiny group of people with a disorder Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind, a fathers kind of love as it were. And I think challenging this ridiculous social trend with protect more than it harms
Issac is a comedian. He isn't serious when he is joking. It's not about targeting fat people to make fun of them. It's about the promoting of unhealthy life styles. If you actually watch the things you're judging you would see how you have only chosen the clips that make your point valid.
No it isn't. He can talk about unhealthy habits without putting the spotlight on people who he is clearly making fun of. I've seen his stuff and he likes making fun of people who are easy targets.
You know what they say?~ "Shaming a fat person is how you get a fit person!" But I guess that saying is no longer valid as this generation that I am sadly a part of, turned being a fat fuck from a shameful thing to a positive and celebrated thing.
@@arakemi1080 speaking as a former fat person, the only people who say that bollocks are people who want to feel justified in mocking others. It didn't help me lose weight, it just worsened my mental state.
@@datamale as a person who sits all day in a chair, not really moving, with a bowl of food or a snack next to him almost all day, and on top of that is only 80kilograms in weight, i shall proceed to tell you that your statement is full of bullcrap. And it IS full of bullcrap because your mental state worsening meant you started doing something about your situation, which was getting fit and maybe even physically strong (i wouldn't know, im not you), because you wanted to stop people from mocking you for being a fat fuck. and would you look at that, you are now probably not 400 pounds in weight, probably eat healthier to prevent yourself from going down the same spiral again, and probably also look good (again, i wouldnt know, i can't exactly see you). so what i just said about shame turning fat people into fit people, holds true still. so as you said, Pipe down please.
No different than the rest. You spent 90% of your video talking about Issac not the one you supposedly was taking up for. That's a self righteous move to excuse you just bashing someone you clearly don't like. This video seemed personal and the intro was an attempt to hide it.
You're right, I don't like Isaac. I don't like how he pretends to be interested in fitness, my biggest hobby, in order to tear others down and make himself look better, while not actually putting in the effort to work on himself or inspire others to do so.
Society was just so lost without him, I guess. Although considering how quick he is to abandon his own movement, it doesn't seem like he's much help either way.
@@datamale well it IS lost without people like him, because he was one of the only people who drilled common sense into the uneducated American society.
@@arakemi1080 By "people like him" do you mean guys that don't stand by their words, yet still expect to be taken seriously? Because that's who Isaac is.
@@datamale no, by "people like him" I mean people who consider staying under 200 pounds (~100kg), and not stuffing their mouths with McDonald's and KFC at every meal, as a healthy thing to do. ^This can also include onlyfans girls who choose to expose themselves on the internet rather than getting a well paying job that won't ruin their images later on in life. And don't misinterpret what I said, you know full well what I said and meant.
- ok so what bulying about this ? - why do you think its not usful to incurage change? You can always be better - the fitnes stuf i kinda agree with tho but why does he have to prove it? - and why the " replacment part " it nice that you talk about ather good chanllels but replacment
I count Isaac's content as bullying because it only serves to put people down. He's going looking for fat people trying to be confident in themselves and be comfortable in their own skin (NOT GLORIFYING OR ADVOCATING FOR OBESITY OR SAYING IT'S HEALTHY), and he then takes it upon himself to essentially say "here's why you shouldn't be confident in how you currently look". I think encouraging health is fine, I do it too. But Isaac just says "lose weight" after mocking these people, which science has demonstrated only pushes people further into unhealthy habits. There's studies in my resource doc in the description that go into more detail on this. Isaac needs to demonstrate that he values fitness because otherwise, his words are completely meaningless. It's all well and good for Isaac to say "go to the gym" to a fat person, but if he isn't putting himself out there and standing by what he says, why should we listen to him? Considering Isaac started a movement to reintroduce masculinity, and constantly makes fun of men who aren't "masculine enough" and how men have been abandoned, you would expect him to stick by the movement he started as a solution to these problems, no? It's for all of these reasons that I think there are far better channels that fill every need Isaac's content might meet. Noel Deyzel is for the gym bros, and Obesetobeast is there for health advice and videos against the Fat Acceptance movement. These guys put their money where their mouth is, which is something Isaac has so far failed to do.
People keep throwing the word "woke" around like it's some kind of insult? I'm just standing up for what I believe in here, maybe Isaac could give it a try sometime.
Massive disagree. Self-validation is completely meaningless and only serves to satisfy the Will in people, creating people who are completely worthless.
You’re not “down to earth” when you have an inflated self esteem bragging about getting “any man you want” one second and crying to the camera the next cos you can’t get a man
At 26 I’d let my fitness go, I had a small child with another on the way and needed to get out of my dead end job and poor housing. I joined the navy to achieve that I was smashed from day one, there were no excuses accepted, we did “just get in the gym and push ourselves”. Nobody got injured so badly that they had to drop out or not pass out of recruit school My mental resilience built with my physical fitness too Sounds like you don’t know much about getting hard, mentally or physically
but to be honest i think there was a time where this kind of content was necessary to stop the public from believing its not only okay but good to be overweight (for whatever reason). But now people are alot more aggressive against overweight people/woman, and I also see it as a self own when you act that way. Also I think some girls on social media provocate this kind of response (not in this video but there are those on tiktok)
Many people who are overweight can stick to diets, eat healthy and exercise but without additional outside intervention even a weight loss professional found themselves unable to fix themselves after gaining weight. The body will literally slow their metabolism to the point where some can't eat more than 800 calories a day without gaining fat from it. It's fighting nature, you'd be better off trying to go on a fast to fix mental health: not because it works, but because it at least the person doing it will believe it worked.
@@johntodd6413 "can stick to diets, eat healthy and exercise". No: Calories in calories out. Its simple, either they have the willpower to change or they dont. Its not that difficult to change your weight but people become p**ys these days. If you have mental problems and eat because of that i respect that than its not your fault. Then fix the mental problems while fixing your body. If we dont say it that clear people will drown in their pitty party. People NEED to recognize what they are capable of if they take control of their mind. I feel sorry for overweight people but I dont agree that its not their fault and that they cant change it for reason X Y
But tbh I think it was only ever a tiny amount of social media people that ever tried to make out it’s ok to be fat. And those people would not be affected by people trying to ‘change this narrative’ because they’re at an extreme. So instead, it was just normal overweight people who already struggled with societal shame getting dogged on more and more for no reason. This has also coincided with a huge rise in eating disorders and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
@@croft4746 yeah but same as with gender these days, people dont want to be canceled so it was good such a toxic movement was stopped by people talking about it. Its like starting a movement for normalizing dr*g use
FUCKING DUUHH!!!! FATSHAMING COULD HELP PEOPLE TO CHANGE!!!! GOING THROUGH THEIR LIVES CARRYING 200 POUNDS OF EXCESS WEIGHT CREATES MORE SOCIETAL EXPENSES!!!!
"Fatshaming could help people to change" All the available science disagrees with you. If someone uses food for comfort, what good does it do to bully them further into their unhealthy coping mechanisms? This is something people like Isaac never bother to explain, because it simply doesn't work.
@@datamalecould you provide me with the papers and studies youre reciting this information from? genuinely curious and would love to read them as i assume theres actual science, data and an adequate amount of research on this
@@UXWJ resource doc in the description! One is about children, the other is about adolescents, the main demographic of Tiktok (Isaac's primary targets)
@@datamale i just searched if its bad to be obese and the FIRST thing i see is this : Obesity increases the risk of several debilitating, and deadly diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and some cancers.
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At the end of the video I suggest some content creators that serve as better alternatives to Isaac's content. While these creators may be far from perfect, I think they're far more suitable examples of traditional masculinity used for positive reasons. I specifically used examples of traditional masculinity because that's the niche Isaac supposedly fills, so I wanted to highlight that masculinity doesn't always have to be advocated for with the hatred Isaac thinks it does.
I should also be clear that I'm not shaming Isaac for not going to the gym or looking like a bodybuilder. It's not about that. I'm more concerned with how he cynically employs one of my favourite hobbies in order to lend more credibility to his anti-woke hate preaching, and gain esteem from effort he never put in to begin with.
There are plenty of decent role models filled with integrity out there, so let's make sure to share as many as we can!
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laugh out loud you've just noticed something so the other 20 years you was totally oblivious to it.
what about the last 40 years of social Decay from socialism have you noticed that?
how's about if we were forced into World War III through socialism and all the obesity overweight men in the country how they supposed to defend the people if they was call to help
I can’t believe I used to watch this guy. I still remember the day I stopped as he reacted and full on body shamed an overweight woman, however this woman’s overweightness clearly came from her loose skin, meaning she had put in tons of work to better herself and get in shape, only for this tosser to bully her. That’s when I realised it doesn’t matter what the people he criticises do, he just wants to get mad and his audience also just want to get mad and have people to project their own issue onto.
So yeah not the best guy.
Incredible comment section. Isaac's audience of 90% adolescents clearly not happy with criticism of their beard uncle.
"Public ridicule" is only acceptable for SOME people, I guess
Great video--by the end it really shines a light on all manipulative content that preys on our prejudices. They're not interested in solving problems, but instead in creating problems in the minds of their viewers.
For sure!
As kind of a gym rat myself, I'm sick of these frauds stealing a wholesome community and corrupting it just to mask their own mediocrity.
Isaac has perfected the art of not becoming a target of bullying by directing the flow of vitriol
It's such a good grift, to perpetuate the cycle of bullying, and then act as a safe haven for the resulting bitterness
You should kinda soft
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@@beebo7071 haha auto correct, but yea you get it, you sound kinda soft
@@johnnytower6169 the only time you’re hard is when you sound
Good video, and actually, I see this all the time - projected self-loathing and leveraging it as a standard.
Not being fat anymore doesn't mean you stop being a resentful fat kid.
Not being a virgin anymore doesn't mean you stop being a hateful incel.
Being able to pass doesn't stop you being that hypervigilant hypercritical egg.
Glowing-up doesn't stop ugly behavior or thinking.
Getting rich doesn't endow you with class or taste.
etc.
Also, the gym videos not getting views is a classic case of people in communities like this not wanting to be reminded of the standards they don't live up to, and only wanting to see OTHER PEOPE failing to do so. They dont' want hope, they want hate. Its a cope. Its catharsis.
I really agree.
I've noticed a whole bunch of weird, reactionary rhetoric in the fitness community in recent years, and part of me wonders how much of it comes from these resentful young men successfully "looksmaxxing" without changing their personality AT ALL.
@@datamale Thanks! ^.^
And yeh theres that but also I see this element of like "if your self-improvement is rooted in hatred or sadness of any kind, you'll never be happy because you're trying to deny or reject an outward reality (your body etc.) that is rooted in and affected by, an inward one (how you think and feel), rather than grounding change in inward acceptance, understanding and self-mercy. Only this is a healthy bedrock upon which you can build the best version of yourself. Anything else is a house built on sand.
Oh I'd also just say I'm a 10 without even thinking about it. I mean if we're reducing a person to an arbitrary number I might as well give myself the highest number possible, right? It's the fastest way of highlighting how stupid and pointless the whole exercise is in any social setting where there's 1 or more people who are inclined to think of beauty in mathematical terms. It's not like they're going to bother trying to explain why I am, in fact, not "a 10", that'd just make them come off as an asshole to everyone listening. If, on the other hand, I try to explain my actual thoughts on the whole 10 point scale thing and why it's bad I might come off as a huge nerd. And being a huge nerd in many social situations may very well be worse than being an asshole of equal size.
I AM a 10 and if you think of yourself as less than a 10 - you're thinking wrong, get well soon.
The idea of Isaac, a man who recently became a father and touts himself as a role model/ enforcer & preacher of traditional masculinity, weeping at the idea of somebody thinking they're attractive, would be endlessly funny if it wasn't so pathetic and damaging.
Great video as usual m8. Keep up the good work
God the comments from his supporters are so embarrassing. You can tell how young they are and the one track mind of trying to put others down to make themselves feel better but trying to convince themselves it’s other people who are soft.
"Gorlok the destroyer" lmfao
I just found your channel. I think you are now my favorite TH-camr
I do wish there were training routines tailored to disabled people. I can't trust these schematic workout things to not include leg workouts that are impossible for me to do without harming myself due to my knee arthritis. Training is connected to harm in my head already because it is so painful and from all the passing out while doing it, but I want to build at least a bit of muscle.
Thank you for this video! It's so important to talk about this. I'm so done with men (though it's not only men ofc) hating on women's (again, not only) bodies, behaviour or whatever the hell they feel like at the time and never facing any consequences to their actions. They are already talking from the position of privilege and the fact that they have to put people down because of their personal insecurities or to gain money, respect, popularity etc. is just so disgusting to me. I wonder what could be done to stop or combat this, it's scary how normalized it has become.
And also, these creators not only project their insecurities on their 'targets', but also their audiences (which I guess is mostly men), not only making them suffer, but potentially creating this never-ending cycle of hate towards both themselves and 'others'. It's so sad and I really see that there is not many alternatives to this type of content (at least in terms of content directed at men), especially ones that would be at the same level of entertainment. But maybe I'm a bit of a doomer here and there is? I just haven't seen it that much, so I'm not surprised young men gravitate toward this.
I saw that you showed a couple of alternatives, which is super super nice, I meant like in terms of non-gym content btw - more like the podcast you showed etc. :)
Stop with the silly talking points, it’s ok to be blunt
Hello. I'm a fan of Isaac Butterfield, and I clicked on the video, because I was curious what you have to say. Firstly, I apologize for all the Isaac Butterfield fans storming the comments who are just mindlessly accusing you of being "woke". I hate when fans of a person I like act like immature babies. Secondly, I completely understand your dislike towards Isaac Butterfield. He's definitely an acquired taste, and I could understand being turned off by his content. Personally, as a person who's not only fat, but currently making measures to prevent sleep apnea, I honestly enjoy the way that Isaac calls out the hypocrisy of the body positivity movement, and I personally his blunt and sarcastic sense of humor. But at the same time, I like how in depth you go with this video (I genuinely didn't know about the workout program and his stint with epilepsy), and how you recommend alternatives to his content. They seem like genuinely cool people, and I always appreciate seeing people boost other channels. So yeah, just wanted to give my opinion, apologize for some of the more toxic Butterfield fans. Have a lovely day.
Also, yeah you're not missing much with the Whatever Podcast. From what little I've seen of it, it's pretty much just vapid brainrot. Sydney Watson actually made a pretty good video on the Whatever Podcast called "Making hot girls look dumb for views".
I appreciate this positive and constructive comment. You have a lovely day too, man. 🙂
Pretty sure Isaac stopped making the fitness videos when his mate who he was making the videos with left to do his own thing.
When is he going to empty that grotty cocktail jar?
I want today to be as good as yesterday never was 😂
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issac is 🔛🔝
This Isaac fellow seems a little rotund in his mid
@@MrZauberelefant I'm not interesting in making fun of people's bodies, no matter how toxic they are as a person.
I have a crush on Data Male 😞
your so woke dude.... good luck
Any valid arguments? Would love to hear them
you say that like it's a bad thing
Wow! You don't understand characters and comedy.
Indeed
Nothing of Isaac's content gives the impression he's a character. But everything gives the impression he's a grifter.
Bullying and stigmatizing a group of people to get money isn’t comedy, it’s degenracy
Great video! Always excited to see a new upload from this channel. Im a (cis) woman and I disagree with most of what I've heard from those alpha male/misogynist influencers. They're in their own little echo chamber and focus on reinforcing opinions that serve them and their biases. And profit madly bc people flock to echo chambers.
But I can understand a little why some of their audiences might be there
They were obviously wrong to bully that girl and fat people in general. But fat activism/acceptance has aligned itself with genuinely progressive movements. And leftists who do speak against fat acceptance get harassed by other leftists who aren't educated in how obesity is unhealthy and that "fat activists" have lied, co opt, and dilute real movements against issues like racism for their own selfish purpose.
Most people recognize the truth that excessive fat is unhealthy and when they see fat acceptance being peddled as a civil rights issue I see them start to write off actual progressive issues. So I think at least some of the audience is there because on that subject at least they are hearing something closer to the truth, and mix up brutal honesty and bullying
Id recommend channels like Sam at every size, the body honesty project, Nadya nymph, funtie times as channels from a women's perspective that challenge the fat acceptance movement in depth without becoming bullying.
I absolutely agree!
There are a lot of valid critiques of the fat acceptance movement to be made, for example their reductive attitudes towards disability that often exclude other people because they aren't the "right" kind of disabled for their movement.
This video originally started as a piece on the issues with the so-called "Anti-Fat Acceptance Movement" and how a valid criticism can pave the way for more nefarious intentions to seep through instead. That's how I found Isaac's content in the first place.
I was so overwhelmed with disgust for how he appropriates gym culture that I just had to make a separate video for him instead.
I stopped reading when you said “cis woman” while lecturing about echo chambers
I’m 35, never once in the workplace have I heard that term, never once at my kids school, never once at trade school, never once when I was in the military travelling thousands of kilometres, at college (where I am now) earning a degree, never once in my social circles
You’re in an echo chamber forcing your preferred language on people and you’re so dogmatic you can’t even see it lol
@@johnnytower6169 I'm in an echo chamber but you apparently shut down and "stop reading" when someone uses a phrase you don't hear in your own circles? Just because I have certain perspective doesn't mean I believe everyone else SHOULD share my view. Personally I operate with the understanding that different people have different understandings of gender. for some it's that gender correlates strictly with sex and for some it doesn't. I happen to somewhat agree with the understanding of gender as a concept. people think differently, some more traditional and some more progressive and neither one should be forced to change their mind. I just used "cis" because I initially was going to mention something related and thought it would be good clarification for the subject, but then i didn't. I just used a word that can sometimes be useful. Youre the one who seems to want to force your preferred language onto me bc you had a breakdown over my own use of a word.
@@Shutt1ngupn03 I stopped reading cos you contradicted yourself. I read your whole reply because it was directed at me. It’s like when someone says “I can’t stand people with dogmatic views” and then says “calling a woman a chick, even if it’s done affectionately is a sexiest and I can’t be around them”. I’ll just walk away and shake my head
I don’t care about people’s feelings around their gender they can be who they want, but I won’t change my everyday language over them either. Dress and be who you want as long as I and others don’t have to change or make concessions not provided to others
Besides the outcomes for people who transition are much worse than other members of society, most countries who officially supported transition now do not and I myself believe that encouraging a mental disorder is cruel and shows a weakness of character that would rather not rock the boat and even make concessions that effect the majority others rather than cause conflict with a tiny group of people with a disorder
Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind, a fathers kind of love as it were. And I think challenging this ridiculous social trend with protect more than it harms
Issac is a comedian. He isn't serious when he is joking. It's not about targeting fat people to make fun of them. It's about the promoting of unhealthy life styles. If you actually watch the things you're judging you would see how you have only chosen the clips that make your point valid.
No it isn't. He can talk about unhealthy habits without putting the spotlight on people who he is clearly making fun of. I've seen his stuff and he likes making fun of people who are easy targets.
There is a channel, mid west miracle cleaning. They are cleaning out hoarder houses. They are funny and don't need to put people down while doing it
it's very sad that so many 'big' man like Isaac need to go shaming people on the internet to get some measure of self-worth.
You know what they say?~
"Shaming a fat person is how you get a fit person!"
But I guess that saying is no longer valid as this generation that I am sadly a part of, turned being a fat fuck from a shameful thing to a positive and celebrated thing.
@@arakemi1080 speaking as a former fat person, the only people who say that bollocks are people who want to feel justified in mocking others.
It didn't help me lose weight, it just worsened my mental state.
@@datamale as a person who sits all day in a chair, not really moving, with a bowl of food or a snack next to him almost all day, and on top of that is only 80kilograms in weight, i shall proceed to tell you that your statement is full of bullcrap.
And it IS full of bullcrap because your mental state worsening meant you started doing something about your situation, which was getting fit and maybe even physically strong (i wouldn't know, im not you), because you wanted to stop people from mocking you for being a fat fuck.
and would you look at that, you are now probably not 400 pounds in weight, probably eat healthier to prevent yourself from going down the same spiral again, and probably also look good (again, i wouldnt know, i can't exactly see you).
so what i just said about shame turning fat people into fit people, holds true still.
so as you said, Pipe down please.
No different than the rest. You spent 90% of your video talking about Issac not the one you supposedly was taking up for. That's a self righteous move to excuse you just bashing someone you clearly don't like. This video seemed personal and the intro was an attempt to hide it.
You're right, I don't like Isaac.
I don't like how he pretends to be interested in fitness, my biggest hobby, in order to tear others down and make himself look better, while not actually putting in the effort to work on himself or inspire others to do so.
Watched the entire video. 2 times I think. I barely remember who Isaac is. Seems like you're just unable to get the point of the video.
ugh god. I thought he stopped making videos when he peaked a few years ago. TIL he has over 2 mill subs 💀
Society was just so lost without him, I guess.
Although considering how quick he is to abandon his own movement, it doesn't seem like he's much help either way.
@@datamale well it IS lost without people like him, because he was one of the only people who drilled common sense into the uneducated American society.
@@arakemi1080 By "people like him" do you mean guys that don't stand by their words, yet still expect to be taken seriously?
Because that's who Isaac is.
@@datamale no, by "people like him" I mean people who consider staying under 200 pounds (~100kg), and not stuffing their mouths with McDonald's and KFC at every meal, as a healthy thing to do.
^This can also include onlyfans girls who choose to expose themselves on the internet rather than getting a well paying job that won't ruin their images later on in life.
And don't misinterpret what I said, you know full well what I said and meant.
@@datamale it is more healthy to have common sense than to go against it
Thanl you for showing iwaac to me im allways looking dor anti woke comedy
iwaac allways dor
- ok so what bulying about this ?
- why do you think its not usful to incurage change? You can always be better
- the fitnes stuf i kinda agree with tho but why does he have to prove it?
- and why the " replacment part " it nice that you talk about ather good chanllels but replacment
I count Isaac's content as bullying because it only serves to put people down. He's going looking for fat people trying to be confident in themselves and be comfortable in their own skin (NOT GLORIFYING OR ADVOCATING FOR OBESITY OR SAYING IT'S HEALTHY), and he then takes it upon himself to essentially say "here's why you shouldn't be confident in how you currently look". I think encouraging health is fine, I do it too. But Isaac just says "lose weight" after mocking these people, which science has demonstrated only pushes people further into unhealthy habits. There's studies in my resource doc in the description that go into more detail on this.
Isaac needs to demonstrate that he values fitness because otherwise, his words are completely meaningless. It's all well and good for Isaac to say "go to the gym" to a fat person, but if he isn't putting himself out there and standing by what he says, why should we listen to him?
Considering Isaac started a movement to reintroduce masculinity, and constantly makes fun of men who aren't "masculine enough" and how men have been abandoned, you would expect him to stick by the movement he started as a solution to these problems, no?
It's for all of these reasons that I think there are far better channels that fill every need Isaac's content might meet.
Noel Deyzel is for the gym bros, and Obesetobeast is there for health advice and videos against the Fat Acceptance movement. These guys put their money where their mouth is, which is something Isaac has so far failed to do.
@@datamale thx for the response, that some intresting things to think about
Without body shaming I would still look like a skeleton
And how is that a problem?
tell me your woke without telling me your woke
People keep throwing the word "woke" around like it's some kind of insult?
I'm just standing up for what I believe in here, maybe Isaac could give it a try sometime.
being woke is awesome suck it
*you’re
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He's a comedian... Not a TH-camr...
People with TH-cam channels who aren't funny, are not TH-camrs, but comedians.
Noted.
Massive disagree. Self-validation is completely meaningless and only serves to satisfy the Will in people, creating people who are completely worthless.
Ali is great, very good and down to earth person
"But muh beauty standards"
You’re not “down to earth” when you have an inflated self esteem bragging about getting “any man you want” one second and crying to the camera the next cos you can’t get a man
Looool gorlok 😂
My man Isaac IS a comedian he sells out shows😂
At 26 I’d let my fitness go, I had a small child with another on the way and needed to get out of my dead end job and poor housing. I joined the navy to achieve that
I was smashed from day one, there were no excuses accepted, we did “just get in the gym and push ourselves”. Nobody got injured so badly that they had to drop out or not pass out of recruit school
My mental resilience built with my physical fitness too
Sounds like you don’t know much about getting hard, mentally or physically
but to be honest i think there was a time where this kind of content was necessary to stop the public from believing its not only okay but good to be overweight (for whatever reason). But now people are alot more aggressive against overweight people/woman, and I also see it as a self own when you act that way. Also I think some girls on social media provocate this kind of response (not in this video but there are those on tiktok)
Many people who are overweight can stick to diets, eat healthy and exercise but without additional outside intervention even a weight loss professional found themselves unable to fix themselves after gaining weight.
The body will literally slow their metabolism to the point where some can't eat more than 800 calories a day without gaining fat from it.
It's fighting nature, you'd be better off trying to go on a fast to fix mental health: not because it works, but because it at least the person doing it will believe it worked.
@@johntodd6413 "can stick to diets, eat healthy and exercise". No: Calories in calories out. Its simple, either they have the willpower to change or they dont. Its not that difficult to change your weight but people become p**ys these days. If you have mental problems and eat because of that i respect that than its not your fault. Then fix the mental problems while fixing your body. If we dont say it that clear people will drown in their pitty party. People NEED to recognize what they are capable of if they take control of their mind. I feel sorry for overweight people but I dont agree that its not their fault and that they cant change it for reason X Y
But tbh I think it was only ever a tiny amount of social media people that ever tried to make out it’s ok to be fat. And those people would not be affected by people trying to ‘change this narrative’ because they’re at an extreme. So instead, it was just normal overweight people who already struggled with societal shame getting dogged on more and more for no reason. This has also coincided with a huge rise in eating disorders and I don’t think that’s a coincidence.
@@croft4746 yeah but same as with gender these days, people dont want to be canceled so it was good such a toxic movement was stopped by people talking about it. Its like starting a movement for normalizing dr*g use
I think you should switch the Be in your name with a Da😊
You're the first person to pick up on the joke, congrats!
@@datamale For you, this is not a joke.
@@ChrisFowler01Anyone who’s concerned about what category of ‘male’ they belong to clearly doesn’t feel man enough as is
@@i.c.3300 So I take it you are not biologically one then🤔C'mon, feed me your hate😉
@@ChrisFowler01bahaha
What's a biological male? Go one let's see what you're made of 😂
Dale, that fuggin thing is uuuuuuuuuugggggglllllly!
FUCKING DUUHH!!!! FATSHAMING COULD HELP PEOPLE TO CHANGE!!!! GOING THROUGH THEIR LIVES CARRYING 200 POUNDS OF EXCESS WEIGHT CREATES MORE SOCIETAL EXPENSES!!!!
"Fatshaming could help people to change"
All the available science disagrees with you. If someone uses food for comfort, what good does it do to bully them further into their unhealthy coping mechanisms?
This is something people like Isaac never bother to explain, because it simply doesn't work.
Finally some common sense!!! Thank you!!
Have a wonderful day
@@datamalecould you provide me with the papers and studies youre reciting this information from? genuinely curious and would love to read them as i assume theres actual science, data and an adequate amount of research on this
@@UXWJ resource doc in the description! One is about children, the other is about adolescents, the main demographic of Tiktok (Isaac's primary targets)
@@datamale i just searched if its bad to be obese and the FIRST thing i see is this : Obesity increases the risk of several debilitating, and deadly diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and some cancers.