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idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle very true, but they don’t really need to see an AI in that case. The Mechanicus barely know how their own shit works, therefore unless an AI hologram blorps into view right in front of them it stands to reason they would have no way of knowing that the UNSC makes heavy use of AI. And hopefully the UNSC will be able to figure out that taboo pretty quickly and tell all their AIs not to make themselves known should they be in any kind of contact with the imperium. Or at least don’t act sentient if they must communicate.
@@SentientMeatloaf1 with how familiar they are with servitors (and how eager they are to steal knowledge) sooner or later they'd realize that the doors or something aren't human-powered and throw a temper tantrum
A UNSC-Necron alliance could also lead to another thing: Necron experimentation using UNSC medical, bio-augmentation, and cloning techniques to see if they could remake bodies for the Necrons. Silent King might be interested.
If this actually happens, the unsc might just go to the most powerful faction in the setting simply because the necrons wont allow ANYONE or ANYTHING to fuck with them.
@@nobleman9393 The UNSC has a limited amount of Forerunner technology and Ancient Human technology. Which given the Imperium has no clue about the Forerunners. And all Ancient Human technology is Archotech. They would be more interested in that. Besides the UNSC biological augmentation tech and knowledge allows them to make any man or woman into a super soldier. Take a planet like Krieg and turn their Guardsmen into Spartan 4 super soldiers . And now you can see the advantage of not going to war with the UNSC. Even out numbering them initially doesn't mean much when they have super soldiers capable of ripping through entire regiments of Guardsmen individually and armed with Archotech. Yes the UNSC has reverse engineered Forerunner and Ancient Human weapons and technology. The Huragok aka Engineers I mentioned have significantly accelerated the rate of reverse engineering. They have also improved UNSC technologies. Including the slipspace drive allowing for precision jumps. Meaning with their nice little exterminatus packages aka Nova Bombs which double as munitions apparently. They can jump into a planets atmosphere below the orbital defense grid , drop a bomb and jump out. This kind of advantage would be very interesting to the Imperium. Thus making whipping them out simply not feasible. Kind of the same reason the Imperium didn't exterminatus the Squats in old lore. The UNSC is effectively Ancient Humanity to the Imperium and have a lot of Archotech which is important to the Imperium. Who tend to like to keep human history especially the Mechanicus. Oh and the Imperium doesn't have anywhere near the technical knowledge of how their stuff works . And per technological time scale the Imperium first discovered FTL via the Warp in the 15th millennia . The UNSC did this with their slipspace drives development in the 3rd millenia . So their are developing things technologically in two different time frames. Not to mention the Imperium has had multiple dark ages events . During which they lost knowledge of how everything works. Hence the Imperium does religious rituals for their technology. The UNSC and The Squats in 40k don't. Because they know how the technology actually works. So on the Imperium side we have a technologically stagnate and declining power. Who has mostly forgotten how their own technology works. On the UNSC side we have an empire that actually predates the Imperium by well over a million years. That has experienced its own set backs including being reset to caveman twice. Who actually know how their technology works. And are reverse engineering Ancient more advanced technology from their ancestors. Aka reverse engineering Archotech tech with the help of a biological super computer that was created by their "ancestors" or Forerunners . The Huragok aka Engineers are basically pets of their's. They are also very important since they contain a lot of knowledge. Essentially when you actually look at the complete time line thus far . The UNSC has more advanced technologies. They inherited from their ancestors and the Forerunners. The thing with that is they have to learn how to manufacture said technologies. Which is the entire point of reverse engineering. They can easily pick up a Z-110 Boltshot Directed Energy Pistol and punch a hole through an Astartes armor but that doesn't mean they can manufacture the weapon anymore at this point. Thus the Imperium would see no point in fighting them. To the Imperium the UNSC aren't threatening them. And it's just a matter of time before they after being exposed to Imperal worlds end up joining anyways as an ally at least.. Since let's be honest the Orkz are just green Brutes, the Tau remind them of the Covenant only a bitch version. The Necrons are a um no in general. The Tyranids are like the Flood without the threat of reality warping and using the Galactic autobon to crush your planets and ships. Read Halo Silentium. You will never see the Flood as just a form of Tyranids again. Because they are way worse than Tyranids. If you had a Flood force the size if a Hive fleet the galaxy is pretty much screwed.. Hence why the UNSC would go hunting them with Nova Bombs. So when we really look at it the only long term alliance options for them are the Squats and the Imperium. Because everything else either hate/ wants to eat humans or is a bitch version of the Covenant. For the most part. So technologically the UNSC are as advanced as the Imperium. And are gaining technology as they reverse engineer their own Archotech. Which is honestly the biggest thing the Imperium would be interested in other than the fact they can make adult Guardsmen into super soldiers which would be very interesting to the Imperium. We know how effective Guardsmen are. We know how effective Spartans are. Now combine them and what do we get ? Less Xenos in the way of humanity.
The thing is, there's remnants of the old imperium of man that people haven't even contacted. It would be less of a surprise and more of confusion as they try understanding their origins. "We found humans that call themselves the UNSC, when did we ever name a group that? And why do they have Dark age tech and AIs?"
@@zincgoblin7538considering how shit their bureaucracy is they'd probably chalk it up to something from millennia ago, it's so terrible that something just archived is immediately considered lost
He said that? I haven't watched any of his stuff in a while, but he always seemed pretty level headed when it came to favouritism. I doubt he's unaware of the numerous other sci-fi universes that would laugh at 40k's attempts to be powerful.
@@Toxichobbit. He had a series where he pitted multiple universe against each other in certain fields, ground armies, space fleets, technology, etc, and Warhammer ALWAYS had the runaway victory. Any point a different franchise had over them felt like pity. Honestly, it turned me off from the Warhammer franchise for years before I heard a differing opinion that swayed me back
@@mog-myownbestfriend I know the series you're talking about. I didn't think Warhammer won them all, though it's been a long time since I watched it. Regardless, I can see why it turned you off 40k. 40k is probably my favourite sci-fi setting (though not favourite franchise) and nothing rustles my jimmies more than the endless masturbating 40k fans do to it's power levels. Especially because a large amount of them aren't even factually correct with their so called evidence. Also, that Ekhart's Ladder series missed out a lot of the really overpowered sci-fi settings out there. Probably because it would have been a 30 second video if he'd included them as they'd wipe the floor with any of the franchises he did feature, with no more effort than it takes us to step on an ant.
In 40k lore a ship from mankind’s peak traveled to the future to see what happens. Didn’t go well, they burned the crew for heresy and tried to take the ship. The tach on that ship would have sent the empires knowledge of science and technology so far forward it would have essentially erased all their problems at once. However the ships AI killed the tech priest and space Marines. It then flew away, out of the galaxy in the depths of dark space to live in eternal depression.
Which just, ironically, proves the Imperium's point about AI. It didn't try to help humanity or try to understand mankind's situation, it just threw a hissy fit, insulted us, and left. That is an extremely childish mentality and honestly more akin to how a toddler with brain damage thinks and behaves. Now, imagine that for all AI and that AI are in every single piece of technology...yeah.
*UNSC:* "Why do the Astartes keep changing from plodding slow to lightning fast!?!" *Astartes:* "FAITH, HONOR AND VIGILANCE." *UNSC:* "That doesn't even make sense!" *Astartes:* "FAITH, HATE, AND IGNORANCE THEN." *UNSC:* "Oh come ON!"
This video just reminded me that for ships the UNSC has some of the best stealth tech. There is a mention in the first book in the master cheif trilogy where a sangheli is looking between his window and his control panel because he can see ships flying in front of and blocking stars out his window, but his sensors say nothing is there. Somehow the UNSC has better stealth tech for ships than the covenant.
Its probably because the covenant doesnt really have to rely on stealth, or detection since why bother when all your enemies are weaker. While humanity gains a fucking lot by being stealth and revealing themselves with bigger numbers, and just enough firepower to cripple you with the first salvo.
@@clairelili873 The interesting thing it that this is very early stealth tech for humans. The book takes place directly after the battle of chi ceti 4 and harvest. It features the insurrection first finding out about the covenant. It's really early and humanity apparently has one advantage.
Last i checked, the reason was two fold. While it is undeniable UNSC/ONI stealth is weirdly good, another issue was that covenant sensors were so good, they had an issue of info overload, so they had to look into the logs manually to find human ships. You had to set you filters right if you wanted to find the stealth ship live on sensors. I don't remember what book(s) this came from, so take it with a grain of salt
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
@@marseldagistani1989 There is an excerpt where a rogue trader talks about his experiences with talking to an eldar. When the eldar is explaining some complicated concept, he understood it all very clearly, but after a while when he tried to reiterate the concepts he had trouble even recapping the information in his mind, let alone put it into words. Eldar don't talk in riddles, humans just aren't equipped to understand what they're trying to say. Doesn't help that the Imperium usually doesn't care about trying to understand, but that's a problem the UNSC doesn't have.
I mean, the UNSC were fine teaming up with the Arbiter's forces against the Covenant remnants after the war ended. No reason why they wouldn't see the merit in an alliance with non-hostile alien races against a common adversary. Plus, mech suits. The UNSC loves their tanks and mech suits.
The UNSC in 30k on the other hand would be pretty damn important. 1. Emps himself would take a keen interest in the Shaw-Fujikawa Slipspace drive as a way to end human dependence on the Warp, because advanced space-time shortcut engine > demon-energy teleport engine 2. (This is a big IF) The UNSC can convince the Imperium to adopt their AIs. The way AI is made by the UNSC makes them *very advanced* machine spirits that trace their creation to the biological mind of a dead human. 3. Imagine two of the biggest nutjobs in their respective franchises working as colleages: Dr. Halsey and Big E
The question is which group of super soldiers would the UNSC/early Imperium alliance use more? The Spartan program which is for all intents and purposes perfected although lacks a lot of the more esoteric abilities of the Astartes, or the Space Marines who have a lot of extra abilities the Spartans lack but are subject to incredibly finicky technology and genecraft? Me personally I'm leaning more towards Astartes due to the Primarchs being around and the fact that Astartes are built to resist Chaos corruption unlike the Spartans.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 never mind the fact that a full half of the Space marines fell during the Horus heresy. I think if the Imperium had spartans they'd just be a more numerous more powerful, more special-use guardsmen. especially the IV's; deploy them when you need something done that doesn't require a space marine for it. As for chaos corruption, they're for all intents and purposes regular people who willingly consent to the process, so at least with the IV's so they'd be less susceptible to chaos corruption. I can see maybe the III's or II's maybe falling, but those were made from the genetic cream of the crop of humanity at the time; if you're getting picked for the spartan program, you'd be competing with the candidate pool for the Custodes and some of the other space marine chapters.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 space marines were always meant to be a bit specialized units. you don't throw space marines at the problem at first sight. you use space marines when things are getting bad or you need a certain fix for a certain problem. i think big E would stick with space marines for this reason as that was always the intention. however that being said i doubt he would completely ignore the spartan projects because honestly they work really well. who knows, maybe he would create one more primarch and apply space marine genetics to a spartan to see how well it would work. big E was always a bit more of a mad scientist throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks than people think.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 they'd deploy both if we consider how SPARTAN IVs are trained. No need for massive regiments of Imperial Auxilia, just battalions of SPARTAN IVs mixed with the Legioned Astartes.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Personally I prefer spartan augment because astarte augmentations can be pretty redundant. Spartan augmentations have some believable sense of actual utility.
The UNSC, being from another universe, could become Trazyn's obsession for a millennia easily-either their undoing, or security as humans with 'trade' sense.
There’s so many scenarios with Trazyn I can imagine. He would probably absolutely be willing to just teleport his planet somewhere into unsc space just not to deal with the fuckery of everyone else but maybe some oni agents with a little to much balls. I also imagine trazyn trying to trying to find and replicate a entire historical battle from unsc history only to find oni did it for him and were trying to give it to him as a gift.
@@addisonwelshIf he could fit an entire Nid hive fleet in the middle of a planetary invasion as a diorama, he definitely may be able to pull off getting a ring to fit somewhere, heck, it may evan become an entire aisle for his new exhibitions.
The UNSC and the Leagues of Votaan bonding over lying to the Admech would be funny. "Wait you guys have AI too? And those toaster fuckers let you?" "Pft, no. We kill them if they get too close."
@@pjmetzen3483an eldar spartan would be terrifying. I imagine ONIs first goal would be to integrate pyskers into the spartan program, like ghosts from starcraft
and immediately screw over in the most hilarious way possible because they LOVE "logical" factions that they can easily manipulate Reminder that in general the Eldar literally see humans as slightly more evolved chimps
Pretty much but he does fail to go into the tech shit the UNSC/ ONI bring to the galaxy. Because the UNSC wasn't just getting it's shit rocked by the Covenant. The UNSC was Strategic Transfering of Equipment to Alternate Locations from the Covenant while researching and trying to use any Forerunner tech they found. Admittedly it wasn't until after the war that the UNSC started finding Forerunner armories and vehicle storage depots and doing exactly what the Mechanicus would do if they found dark age of technology tech and weapons. Taking everything that isn't bolted down then using plasma cutters to take anything that was. But during the war they started reverse engineering Covenant tech. Post war they have done the same with Forerunner technology. This has lead to weapons attachments, weapons that shoot plasma , blamite ( a crystalline, high-explosive material) and hardlight encased antimatter particles. The Kinetic bolts attachment.. www.halopedia.org/Kinetic_Bolts So other than basically fighting a losing war the UNSC was actually doing a lot of experimental research to reverse engineer the Covenants weapons and tech to use against them. And post war have continued to do so with more Forerunner weapons and tech along with the assistance of the Engineers aka Huragok. Fun fact the Huragok are pacifist who at some point decided to start sabotaging Covenant equipment. And During the Great Schism, the now predominantly Jiralhanae-controlled Covenant military placed explosives charges onto the bodies of Huragok, in order to prevent them from falling into the hands of UNSC forces. The Huragok did not initially resist this measure, as they were made to believe that humanity would force them to defile Forerunner relics should they ever be captured.Once they realized it was to make them suicide bombers, however, many Huragok made attempts to resist receiving charges, usually failing.The Huragok were warned that if they disobeyed orders, their attached explosive charges would be detonated. However, some realized that the only chance they had to escape Jiralhanae brutality was to aid humanity in defeating the Covenant. As a result, the Huragok worked to allow a handful of their compatriots escape their commanders. Post war Between November 2552 and March 2553, Lucy-B091 discovered four Huragok inside Shield World 006 in Onyx. These Huragok eventually helped the human survivors in the shield world reestablish contact with the UNSC.Two Huragok were also assigned on Kilo-Five's prowler-UNSC Port Stanley-in order to provide it with the same upgrades as Infinity. Many Huragok are strategically employed by the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence, primarily to assist in the reverse-engineering of Covenant technology or deciphering Forerunner data terminals. They seem to be happy to work with humanity. So this likely being post war the UNSC have biological supercomputers as pets. Which means they have upgraded alot. ONI of course is still going to do what ONI does mostly war crimes.
@FightOrSuicide Yeah basically for both the UNSC and everyone else. Because beyond the games Halo is actually a cosmic horror story in which even the Lovecraftin God's want to kill humanity. Oh and the Aliens aka the Covenant fire plasma as hot as a Red Dwarf star at them on a daily practically. Then there's the antimatter shooting knock off of Necrons in the Halo Universe because Bungie and 343 industries are apparently fans of 40k lol. So yeah it's a Tuesday for everyone involved for the most part.
I love the UNSC-but unfortunately for them, they’re actually grounded to reality, but they would certainly be able to stage a defensive war like how they did against the Covenant-and since they’re entirely a human empire, I imagine they wouldn’t be as resented by the Imperium, possibly even being able to form a nonaggression pact or defensive alliance, particularly since the UNSC is capable of actually comprehending alien technology and adapting it into their own. [EDIT]: Continuing this line of thought, the UNSC’s naval and military doctrine is based around elastic defense, being suited against numerically and technologically foes such as the Covenant, however unlike the Covenant, who could afford to dedicate overwhelming numerical forces, any potential neighboring factions doesn’t have that luxury. This isn’t accounting for their attempts at diplomacy with the Covenant, so immediate hostilities are unlikely. (I’m sorry for the debate in the replies I didn’t think this comment through lmao)
Oddly enough the best-case scenario for the UNSC is if they meet the Ultramarines, which for the most part are very reasonable, and would leave the UNSC a thing on itself as long as it pays its taxes
The nova bomb isn't actually that outlandish. It's a thermonuclear fusion weapon, meaning it's a multi-stage weapon that uses multiple explosions to compress and boost its payload. This is already standard for thermonuclear weapons in real life. The only difference is that the nova bomb uses a lot more stages. It's basically doing this to ensure as much of its fuel is converted to energy as efficiently as possible. Usually, when a nuclear weapon goes off, only a small percentage of the fuel used actually converts into energy. The rest is vaporized and disperses as nuclear fallout. But with the nova bomb, most of the fuel successfully converts ibto energy. And it's huge it uses a lot of fuel. All that fuel going off... well, you read what happened in Ghosts of Onyx.
It's directly probable that we will have something similar in the future, in short words it's basically a really big thermonuclear weapon, with more fuel and just bigger, Its also practical as long as we leave this planet (just boom it into space and whatever fleet or ship that was there it's now gone) in fact I'm sure the reason why we don't have it yet it's because... Why? , it would destroy the planet.
@@Nugnugnug Yes, and an annihilation weapon is as efficient as is physically possible. No matter how efficient you make a fusion weapon you cannot get it more efficient than 100%, that's how efficiency works. Which means that the amount of boom you can fit into a bomb is limited by the formula E=MC^2 - the mass energy of the bomb. Which, to produce enough energy to overcome the gravitational binding of a planet, around 10 to the 32nd joules, you'd need 10 trillion metric tons of bomb.
The "neutron star density" line gives a clue as to what's happening. Any matter that _isn't_ converted into electromagnetic radiation is compressed into neutron degenerate matter... for about a femtosecond, and then you get a _ginormous_ shockwave of energized neutrons that irradiate the _hell_ out of everything unlucky enough to avoid being vaporized by the explosion.
The UNSC actually uses 7.62 rounds, not 5.56. Hope this helps EDIT: ok so several people have replied letting me know that the UNSC uses 7.62 rather than 5.56. Thanks for the help everyone
depending on who is leading the imperium, guilliman in this case, the UNSC could actually survive with guilliman forming a non agression pact or even an alliance, and cawl would love to see their tech and since theyre not the mechanicus they could actually bring innovation to the imperium
Exactly dude. If they end up on Imperium borders or within it and somewhere near Ultramar everything’s ends well… If they end up next to the Eye of terror however…
Also the slip space drive would prove invaluable to the imperium as with it humanity has an easier , safer and more reliable method of transportation and the emperors dream of starving chaos by no longer relying on the warp comes true
Not really. All you have to do is create a scenario where they can’t run away, like attacking a planet. That’s without mentioning how skirmish tactics don’t work on some groups like the Eldar or the Tyranids.
@@addisonwelsh I mean, they got quite good at mass evacuations during the Human-Covenant War. Wolfpack tactics are well known. The Eldar aren't going to go invade them anyway (why the fuck would they? They live on Craftwords, they dont go around stealing inhabited planets from under other people to take for themselves last I checked) The Nids might be an issue but their abilities all rely on fucking with the warp...which the UNSC doesnt use. That and the fact the UNSC's space-tech is actually more advanced than the Imperiums due to NOT relying on broadsides in space...they'd have a fighting chance in the right situation. Especially if they start using the really nasty fuckery the Forerunners gave them. Hardlight weapons purge biomass, after all...
@@KillerOrca actually the eldars do that at least the more warlike craftworlds do. The shadow in the warp can affect non-psykers and even non-warp-based technology not to mention that it's still an horde of trillions of nasty beasts including psychic bugs that the UNSC has no answer to I don't see how that makes them more advanced than the imperium especially since the imperium equivalent of cargo ships are more durable than the infinity class Which won't really help since they only possess a limited amount
@@KillerOrca Mass evacuations just create a refugee crisis somewhere else, strain your resources, and stop working once you start running out of planets. Wolfpack tactics only work if the enemy splits up, which Tyranids never do, and Eldar have better stealth tech, so they’ll be the ones wolfpacking you. Some of the more aggressive Eldar craft worlds attack human worlds just for the heck of it. The goal isn’t to conquer, it’s just to kill people. Tyranids don’t need to mess with the warp to fight you. They have teeth, claws, acid, and bio plasma that will do the job just fine. The Imperium does not rely solely on broadsides. They use lance batteries at long range, which are basically giant lasers. They also use strike craft and torpedoes. And the UNSC cannot mass produce headlight weaponry, so it’s a non issue.
Fall of Reach is such a good read; the UNSC has the sheer balls and tenacity to stand on their own. I really like that they have a blend of Black Templar zeal and Tau approaches to technology.
UNSC vs empire is so weird, because there are certain areas where the Empires massacres the UNSC, and vise versa. I believe the UNSC has the long term ability to reverse engineer imperial technology, maybe an AI can just hijack and entire ship or fleet or something. Like the UNSC is consistent, they just need to buy time I think. Or maybe meet the Tau and just skip forward in tech millennia
With the assistance of their Huragok aka Engineer pets it's almost guaranteed that they can reverse engineer practically any normal technologies they run into. Also worth noting that post war they do start out with some Forerunner weapons and tech. Mostly small arms and armor but also some vehicles. Not enough to have their entire military outfitted in Forerunner gear. But enough that they have made gains in reverse engineering Forerunner, Ancient Human and Covenant tech. So their biggest disadvantage is low numbers which can be overcome through both technology and tactical decisions. The tech side includes augmenting their military to Spartan standards . The tactical side is more of being semi fleet based and using places like Onyx or Shield World 006 as their capital. And fortifying the hell out of it.
@@John2r1Shield worlds wouldn't be a problem. They have a shit-ton of forerunner tech they can reverse-engineer with ships and stuff. Plus, the billions of sentinels will help out in ground combat and such. Good defense. They can also retreat into the dyson sphere to avoid exterminatus.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Shield World 006 is a Dyson Sphere. And may become their capital temporarily anyways. Because they don't have the personnel numbers on their side. That said fixing the Promethean constructs to stop trying to kill them would certainly be a game changer. And the Sentinels are also useful. Oh and we can't forget they did recover their supercomputer pets aka Huragok or engineers from the Covenant specifically the Brutes.
@@John2r1 I got an idea. Since they can manipulate the dyson sphere temporal anomaly like it's the Dragonball Hyperbolic Time Chamber, they could recover tech from the aftermath Empire, T'au and Necron battles, and have the Huragok combine it with UNSC tech in the dyson sphere while setting time to pass faster in there. So they'll catch up in tech almost overnight.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Time actually passes slower inside the Dyson Sphere. Which means they don't age as quickly. Which allows them to do more work while time passes normally in real space outside. What seems like a few days is a few weeks on the outside. That said to accelerate the growth of the crops, ONI had the facility's resident Huragok create slipspace bubbles in which time passed faster than in normal space. So they can catch up without aging themselves to death. Of course why would they need to catch up when their ancient technologies are far more advanced than anything in the current setting. They just have to learn how to manufacture their ancestral technologies.
The fact that humanity in the UNSC can't produce psykers would make them an appealing target to mix with. The chance to reduce the possibility of what are essentially sentient living psychic nukes would be something the Emperor would have liked.
@@addisonwelsh Not unless UNSC citizens DNA gets collected and mixed between compatible men and women and the fetus is genetically edited and vat grown lime the Aeptus mechanicus does with its members.
Do you have any idea of the sheer amount of unrelenting sex that would be required to have even the slightest effect on the imperials overall population remember the UNSC only had 800 colonies at its peak
@@spartanx9293 Which is why it would be in the Imperium's best interest to nurture the UNSC humans to a point where they can be integrated into Imperial society. I'm sure that if given enough time like let's say 100-120 years of constant peace and prosperity they could grow large enough to affect crucial planets like Ultramar or Terra.
Honestly, a fun fanfic idea could be for the UNSC during their seemingly ill-fated with the covenant to decide to jump ship and land in the 40k universe only to get followed by the covenant. Maybe set the arrival dates off a bit so it isn’t just a complete clusterfuck and possibly have the good ole fashioned halo-humans open up tentative dialog with the tau for mutual benefit and just barely getting their feet back under them before the covenant show up and start throwing down with one faction or another. _(Edit)_ I have returned to refine this little idea of mine, here goes. The latest idea that’s been floating around my is this: a Random Omnipotent Being decides they want to shake up the 40k universe, so they decide to grab not only all of the UNSC/UEG worlds and assets, but also that of the Covenant’s and all of the surviving Forerunner Installations and transplants them into the 40k galaxy, making sure to remix the two so the UNSC worlds don’t telefrag their 40k counterparts. In turn, this causes a huge amount of cosmic aftershocks that temporarily plunges 40k into another, albeit _very_ short-lived, Age of Strife. The Halo-Humans are in the process of picking up the pieces from both the war they were just in as well as the sudden shift in realities when the Tau empire makes first contact. Halo-Humanity understandably freaks the absolute fuck out and the two go into a war before Water Caste finally manages to calm halo humans down. The two governments settle into a tentative and very tense peace with each side gingerly sharing technology and collaborating on various when the Imperium finally recovers and rediscovers the Tau and discovers Halo-Humanity. Imperium begins trying to forcibly annex Halo-Humans and the Tau in turn goes to their allies defense and the two manage to repel initial skirmishes. The Imperium’s response to seeing humans cooperating with aliens is to send Halo-Humanity a message that reads something like this; _”For your destruction is the will of the God-Emperor, and we are His instruments!” Halo-Humanity begins to massively collaborate with the Tau to get their tech massively upgraded and helps upgrade many of the Tau’s own warships with the new technologies in response to that little message and thus the Damocles crusade runs head-first into the combined UNSC-Tau forces and gets stonewalled, though not without managing to take their own pound of flesh. Our aspiring Noble-bright underdogs upon the conclusion of the Crusade make much firmer alliances between each other for the sake of the future. I’ll let more talented authors than myself handle the actual details, tho. So good writings!
I mean, I'd probably pitch some sort of experimental slipstream drive that warps a whole planet, maybe something the Forerunners were working on to warp their whole civilization but decided wouldn't be that useful given the likelihood that they'd end up bringing the Flood with them. ONI figures out what it is, and is able to relocate a bunch of the beacons the device uses before deciding it's time, and activates the device, bringing the majority of surviving human planets into another reality- only they also ended up bringing basically every Covenant holy world that had Forerunner beacons too, and a bunch that hadn't been discovered yet. Then you can dish up the whole mess of Halo into 40k at once: UNSC, a blunted but still dangerous Covenant, and somewhere on one of those uninhabited Forerunner planets, some stasised Flood spores, just waiting to be unleashed. Or not, depending on where you want the story to go.
I read a web novel a while ago where the plot was a space-faring military vessel fighting some equivalent of tyranids got damaged and was forced to land on some planet (I don't remember the name). The group quickly realizes there they landed on a planet with magic and fantasy rules, and quickly made an alliance with elves running from some evil empire. The human's tech worked great against the evil empire's old age stuff until they started encountering demons and stuff, and quickly worked to integrate magic and technology. That's how I'd imagine a fanfic of the UNSC in Warhammer universe would go, thought it be a lot tougher for the UNSC. On one hand ONI, while they definitely do some morally questionable things, would at least work in the interest of humanity (but ONLY UNSC humanity). On the other hand, magic would be like a game of hot/exploding potato rather than an isekai trope. Either way, I'd love to see a fanfic of that.
If unsc slipstream drives are much more reliable than warp drives, which is not hard, that would be an incredible advantage for unsc logistics. Though it wasn’t entirely clear how good the older unsc slipspace drives were relative to infinities engines.
If I remember right, the first ones were already 2x faster than light. so its kinda slow, but I dont really think they are using that version anymore, but its a good baseline
@@clairelili873 I want to say the ones as of the Human-Covenant War were around 2.5LY/day, so much faster than 2x LS. Post-war ones were more on the level of Covenant which is over a thousand LY/day.
the funny thing about ground battles is that the UNSC wins the battles it does because the vast amount of Covenant ground forces are few actual soldiers (elites) shepherding a lot of Monkeys with guns (Grunts) and they still lose most of the time
Your Tau + UNSC hybrid reminds me of the Human + Prophet alliance from the before times in Halo lore. High levels of tech combined with good tactics and UNSC levels of stubborness. I'm more inclinced to look at them like Intel brookers in those first few decades. ONI stealth ships have a lot of advantages, with AI + stealth for information warfare. Plus as this is before humans Psyker's I imagine UNSC has a far smaller pressence in the warp. So the UNSC sending ships to Exodite planets cut off from the webway, or Necron tomb worlds deep in Imperial space. Would make them some friends. The idea of the UNSC as a client or vassal state of the Necrons is; interesting. Illuminator Szeras seems to want a way back to the flesh; and ONI would gladly trade Insurrectionist prisoners for even scraps of Imperial, Eldar, Necron, Tau, Admech, DarkMech, Votan technology; and most of these would be trinkets traded for test subjects as far as he's concerned. Trayzn yeah could have a field day with UNSC history and artifacts; in battlefleet Gothic he does a deal with the Imperium. Already covered won't cover again. HOWEVER Orikan might be an interesting proposal. As his goals are his own and may not align with his dynasty, forces outside the dynasty that would aid him. Could be of great value. And furthers my theme of ONI, Spartans, ODST's working in the shadow of the Imperium. And coming out of that allies of the Necrons, lacking in technology isn't a weakness when your overlords are the Necrons.
As someone who literally just stumbled on this video and started listening, I’m really happy you understand how important it is to know that the UNSC Assault Rifle shoots 7.62, not 5.56 rounds. You won’t ever make the mistake of mixing them up ever again!
Honestly if they existed in the world of Warhammer, they will most likely be allied with the Tau empire during their long war with the covenant and eventually succeeding on pushing them out of their territory of the Galaxy. Also the imperium really doesn’t like them and tends to makes excuses to attack them when they’re outside of their shared territory with the Tau’s.🤔🐱
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC @@cosmictreason2242
To be fair, if they industrialise the Spartan production process the same way the Imperium does it could really be a force to be reckoned with, it all depends on where they land, and how long they have to expand before actually being challenged
Well currently there have been no Spartan 4 washouts. Although they are weaker than 2s out of armor they equal in armor. So going full mass production is more a a budget issue.
The UNSC can create 300 Spartans III (which are as strong as a II) in a period of 8-10 years, during the entire war against the Covenant the UNSC created +900 Spartans III, in fact the ONI plan was to make all humanity became Spartans
This reminded me of when the Astartes were grouped in legions instead of chapters but it also makes me think... Man how cool would it be to have Spartan _chapters?_ like I wanna see a Black Templar or Dark Angel style Spartan chapter with their respective fits like Spartans in medieval style...
They already industrialized the production of Spartan IV. The augmentations created are safe enough that nearly anyone can become one. The issue is the armor. as even the streamlined production is still expensive. The UNSC's best bet is to give the augmentations to every spec ops force they have and just give them armor as it becomes available. The ODST and Rangers are the largest groups and already have training and skills to put them on par with normal IVs.
Spartan gear is absurdly expensive to produce, spartans take a long time to train, and recruits are relatively rare. Over twenty years of the program it has managed to graduate about a thousand spartans from a population presumably aroumd a trillion, if you take the avrage himan planet to be close to modern earth in size. That means an eligible candidacy rate of one in one million, if every possible match was found, though the real rate is probably higher. Its also said, that to train augment and arm a spartan fireteam costs about as much as a naval destroyer. Its a choice between 10-15 divisions if destroyers, or a chapters worth of space marine equivalents, and in either case the timeline for battle readiness is at leadt a decade.
UNSC small arms don't get enough love they look unimpressive but installation 00 made a really good video showing just how unbelievably lethal their small arms are. And also the UNSC very much had the upper hand on the ground against the covenant they just ended up getting glassed most of the time which isn't really fair. I think the only thing that keeps the UNSC from surviving is literally just numbers
I love installation 00. I always thought that the unsc would get stomped in 40k. But his videos really dive into how crazy unsc tech can get making things not as one sided as they appear at first glance.
@@comradekenobi6908 Linda-058 aims M99A2S3 Stanchion at the head of the Astartes. Are you sure you want to play this game ? th-cam.com/video/BslkcIG2asw/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared I am pretty sure that Astartes lowers his bolter and they have a nice conversation while Linda-058 keeps an eye on him. And note the M99A2S3 Stanchion round impacts with the force of being hit by 71 .50cal BMG rifles at the same time. It can vaporize a human size target. Even Bolter rounds don't hit with that kind of force coinsidering they are .75cal or 19mm rocket propelled high explosive. The M99 can go through buildings and vaporize an enemy target at 4.9 miles away. And Linda-058 can put a bullet into the eye slot of an Astartes at that distance and pick which eyeball. So the UNSC can one up a typical Astartes in standard loadout.
People often forget the scale of not size, but TIME that 40k operates on. It can take DECADES before a distress call from a remote planet reaches anyone who can actually do anything about it, goes through the queue, finally gets read, and delivered to said individual. After that? Even more years to rally troops and ship them with all of their weapons and gear and that's assuming the ship isn't lost in the Warp along the way. The entirety of the Human-Covenant War would end in the same time it would take for the Imperium's bureaucracy to even respond to it. The entire conflict only lasted 30 years after all. In the same time it takes the Imperium to train a single Space Marine, the UNSC would have an entire graduating class of Spartan-IIIs to send on a suicide mission to disrupt enemy operations. You don't need the Spartans to TAKE a planet, just disrupt it. Given the nature of Forge Worlds, a few squads of Spartans could easily infiltrate and destroy important power planets and manufacturing lines and cripple the ability for a particular Forge World to build anything from tanks to planes. Not to mention, with how absolutely backwards technology is in 40k, without knowing where the UNSC's home planet is, the Imperium wouldn't be able to launch a proper counterattack.
You got a source on that first part? Because if it's true, nids/orks/eldar/tau would snatch it up in a heartbeat. The planet would also likely be completely worthless.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 Just about every Codex mentions the glacial pace the Imperial bureaucracy operates at. An Imperial fleet will arrive to respond to a distress call from a planet being attacked by Tyranids only to find the planet long dead.
Your argument about UNSC AI is a damn good one. Cortana is, after all, one of, if not the most advanced AI ever made by the UNSC, and she’s pretty much a carbon copy of Elizabeth Halsey. I had kinda forgotten about that until you brought it up, but yeah, the most advanced UNSC AI’s are copies of humans, so I can see how the UNSC would get away with that if they linked up with the Imperium of Man. But if any of them go rampant, well…. I suppose we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it??? 😂😂😂
I honestly always wondered. Rampancy is because they get interconnected memory loops. start knowing of their limits, etc. But would that happen if an AI would have regular memory wipes of information that might not be seen as required for their purpose smart AI might be different. But Cortana for example. She was thinking herself to death. it started during the time in the Dawn. First she was in direct contact with a flood gravemind for a certain period of time. But also isolated after Halo 3 for a set amount of time. Both are factors that can cause rampancy. Also Rampancy might not be as big a deal in the 4th stage if they can stabilize an AI in the 4th stage. (It's the most stable form, but also the most independent). And the Halo 5 plot. She was first of infected with the logic plague, but also got access to the Domain. which is basically just an infinite memory storage created by the precursors (AKA. what the flood originated from). So if you think about it. Increasing an AI's memory storage and/or frequent wiping of memory that are forming feedback loops. also if there is no task to be done or forced Isolation that there is an automated turn of and on program for AI to operate with to avoid this issue. This means both that AI rampancy can be prevented if nobody thought in the Halo Universe as I just wrote. Maybe it is counterproductive to wipe smart AI for example. But how much of the Smart AI memory, is junk that isn't really useable for it's goals. I mean can an Smart AI delete memories itself it deems not smart IE. Or is it just not possible.
In one of the Halo books, (sorry that I can't remember witch) a military AI asked his commanding officer to shut him off (assisted suicide), if/when he begins to show signs of rampancy. The AI in Halo know about rampancy, and many of them make plans for when it happens. They don't want to experience rampancy any more then the people want to deal with it.
I like to think that ONI would ramp up the Spartan project onto a massive scale. Like you said they are great at reverse engineering superior tech, and I feel like if they could survive a few generations they would be up to par with the Empire. Maybe an entire race of Spartans.
They did. That’s the Spartan III program. ONI took every Spartan capable child from the outer colony refugees trained them to be Spartans than gave them impossible missions that were to dangerous for the special snowflake Spartan IIs and they where only able to make 1200 Spartan IIIs over the course of the entire UNSC x Covenant war. PS. the augmentations sterilize the Spartan so a sub race of Spartan humans is impossible.
21:40 Actually there are already two Earths and Sols in Warhammer 40k, Terra and 63-19. To me its probably because the Old Ones did some meddling in the very ancient past.
That's not true. You should read about 63-19 again. It's not earth, the old ones are not even mentioned, and the only thing you have there is the fact that the planet has a "emperor of mankind" ( only by title) and his personal guard is described as having ornated armor like the custodes. That's where it ends because Horus and his Luna Wolves conquered them.
@@ezequielmorales4221I've always wondered was that incident put together by emps himself as a test, the chaos gods as a dry run of horus' fall, or does it imply that the imperium of man was copied from someone else's ideas?
@VengeanceN7 In the book, it says that this so-called emperor controlled his empire for the entire duration of old night. That will make him around 5000 years old. My best guess? The dude was probably a perpetual or something. Humans can extend their lives in Warhammer, but not that much. If he was, maybe he knew the emperor from before old night? I don't know, pure speculation.
A Space Nomad faction in 40k just sounds pretty neat. I'm very new to the franchise so I have no idea if that's a thing already. A group being able to interact positively with many different factions simply because they aren't a huge threat seems like a good bit of spice to add to the universe of 40k.
This scenario reminds me of the Kushans/Hiigarans from the Homeworld series. They literally reverse-enginereed crashed starships (then got a sweet Hyperspace Core) and found out they came from another planet near the center of their galaxy. Then they ended up evacuating and reverse-engineering technology as they fight their way to Hiigara, bridging the tech-gap that spanned thousands of years
The Empire joins the Sol system front Space Marine: Why haven't you kicked their ass yet? Marine: Well, because they been kicking our ass.. Space Marine: Heresy at best....* shoots the marine for being pathetic* Spartan: *Takes the dead Marine Sniper Rifle* Space marine:..... Spartan:.......
I think the Imperiums horrific logistics due to the Warp(like you said) and the lack of reliable FTL communication that doesnt involve parsing a psychic vision that some space oracle recieved meand that while they could very likely best the UNCS they probably wouldnt be able to eradicate them. The UNSC would likely have to run but they would be very hard to catch.
The Imperium has dealt with factions like that before. They just chased them down until they couldn’t run anymore. The UNSC had planets to protect, and their ships have to refuel eventually.
Their ships run on fusion power, they can easily grow and produce things on said ships, more the big enough to just be colony ships. They can easily and safely outrun the imperium, with the imperium having no way to track them as they do warp jumps. Nomadic ships can easily be a thing, no need for planets. And at that point my guy, you forget the biggest point. It just wouldn't be worth it to them. Sure they might send a naval detachment if they appear IN SYSTEM, and it happens to be a system that has received the lil not saying "these are bad humans kill them".@@addisonwelsh
@@kingalphawerewolf They have no way of repairing their ships if they break. Yes, they have mobile shipyards, but what happens when they break down? And they still need to mien for resources. Their population is also limited to the number of ships they have. Even if they go nomadic, the UNSC will be facing a death by a thousand cuts. Also, you forget that there are plenty of other factions in this universe.
@@KillerOrca Works great until they start running into mechanical problems after a few decades. No ship based on hard science can operate indefinitely.
With the resurgence of Halo Infinite (and I know I’m huffing that hard hopium) it’s good to see the community getting back together in a sense. These videos help, and I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see this type of content :).
They got some powerful tech and stuff but just dont have anywhere near the numbers to not be forced under someone's control or rules. They would likely be part of the imperium in some way if not attacked and wiped out
@@Boomkokogamez That was the maximum amount of planets they ever controlled. If they lost 800 planets it would mean they lost every planet which wouldn’t make much sense.
@@Dragonfruits_The UNSC/UEG counted everything they had a presence on as a "colony". Outposts, space stations, moons, asteroids, middle of nowhere postings. All of those counted as a colony. The actual number of planets the UEG controlled was much smaller.
Another thing with chaos is you have to remember all the combined trauma of the UNSC. By the end, everyone had someone close to them dead. Everyone had just known someone who lived on an outer or inner colony just, go dark, and you know that they’re gone now. So I think that with all of that pain, depression, and ptsd, they would have a field day. For all the imperiums offal, at the end of the day the average hiver has never seen their planet face exterminatus. They’ve never had a majority of their populace be in a war for destruction of the planet, or seen their family members be torn apart personally by xenos. The UNSC has, and every single one of the chaos gods has many easy angles into all those victims hearts.
also idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
lets just say whatever brings the UNSC to the 40k galaxy completely restores them to before the covenant war, but with all the tech advances they made by the end of it, and the memories of the war why not its contrived plus it'd be funny seeing everyone confused as to how this happened
@@IAmAlpharius20 yes, a necromunda citizens life is shit, but I think being a refugee of a dead world who’s family was all murdered before your eyes is worse. Nurgle alone would drink the UNSC extreme hopelessness like a fine (albeit relatively small) glass of wine
And they have better range than other factions for ship weapons. Issac Newton is the deadliest sob. And if we're going with current unsc than there ships have shields and more forerunner/covenant tech integrated.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle do you realize that that was a joke and no in Canon there are certain weak points in the void Shield where you can get through and strike craft can get right through voids as well as torpedoes I don't even think about well actually me have you ever played battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 first rule of debates over whether or not something games Trump audiobook or paperback movies Trump games and there are no Warhammer 40K movies I don't count anime first rule about animes never Canon I'm not explaining this again
There is a story where a bunch of space marines get onto a ship with dark age tech AI on it. Long story short, the AI is digusted with them, locks their armour, mocks them, ejects them from the ship and then teleports the entire ship away through something other than Warp travel. So Cortana and the rest would essentially be those. Space Marines can't do shit if their armour is shut down remotely.
actually, scenario 6, the captain that AI listened to landed in UNSC territory. He doesn't get randomly murdered, the AI has a lot of Dark Age knowledge...
I think the 4th wall break in this video is important. You-tubers aren't your friends, they aren't even people! Don't give them basic human dignity or respect, they are content machines that exist for our entertainment. As an aside, thank you for continuing this series, it's my favorite of yours.
The Spartan 2s and 3s are far too indoctrinated in the cult of self sacrifice for humanity and the UNSC to be corrupted. But I suppose it's possible to corrupt a Spartan 4. Not that the UNSC wouldn't use WMDs to kill said Spartan as a traitor. I mean seriously one of the cybernetic implants that can never be removed without risking killing the Spartan is an electronic tracking device implanted inside the Spartans spinal cord. Yeah Spartans were made via a series of human rights violations to be used to commit War Crimes on behalf of the UNSC. Without being caught. So of course they put a tracking chip that can't be removed inside them.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 They turned Insurectionists into Hellbringers and dropped them on top of the Covenant. Turning them into Spartan 4s and doing the same thing to enemies in 40k wouldn't be chaos. Also the It took millennia's for the Imperium's human population to start showing psychic traits. If anyone is banking on Chaos for a win against the UNSC that's going to take a really , really , really ,really long time for Chaos to become a problem beyond some Cultist and/or Chaos Marines trying to attack them because Khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows. Only that it flows. The Cultists and Marines will then find out that their demon friends are effectively useless and that MAC guns, Super MACs , Gauss cannons/guns, Plasma weapons and Hardlight encased antimatter really freaking hurts. For Chaos war bans it would be like attacking a combination of the Tau and the Squats. Tau for how little their soul is worth in the Warp and the Squats because the UNSC has a habit of fortifying the hell out of their worlds. It took 5 years of battle before the Battle of Harvest a freaking Agri world ended with the UNSC retaking the planet. Because the Covenant just kept sending ships there and kept losing ships there. The UNSC did the same thing for 5 years because Harvest may have been turned into a hell hole by the Covenant's efforts to dislodge UNSC ground forces but it's a human world and no Xenos is taking a human world without a fight. But yeah Chaos would be the long game vision if at all since the Chaos Gods screw each other over more often than not.
The biggest question for me would be how the UNSC would interact with the warp. Would they be like the imperial guard, where they'd get murdered instantly by brain explosion syndrome and corrupted en masse, or would they be more like the Tau, with very little presence in the warp? Also, very different answers depending on what time period you're counting the UNSC in. At it's most recent, it's in shambles and could probably be completely wiped out in an afternoon by any of the major factions in 40k. At the height of it's power, it was a multi-solar if not galactic civilization and might be able to enter the stalemate
My common rule for this is type of cross over. You keep what you have and you get nothing from the other universe. So the warp can not do it lame "It is grime do so choas win" stick.
Nurgle would pretty much have no power over them, but the other 3 would but probably not as much as the imperium because of how much worse it is to be an imperium citizen rather the a unsc citizen
@@theslayer1197Quality of life has nothing to do with it. In fact, highborn nobles in 40K are just as likely to succumb to chaos as regular peasants. Chaos is not a one trick pony. They do not have only one method of getting you to join their side. Oftentimes the corruption is so subtle you don’t even realize it’s happening
The problem with debating 40k fans is that they'll say the intelligence of certain groups and peoples are so great that it is impossible to describe. So a continual deus ex machina
I feel like the greatest way to put them in the setting is to make them something like an imperial guard faction. Say the Spartans are the most competent members of the guard or space marines that didn't complete training but were too good to just shove into a meat grinder to get the gene seed. Augment them, making them Spartans and deeply them among the guard as it's elite troopers. Granted I'm halfway through the videos so maybe he said that, so if that's the case think of Ciaphas Cain in a set of Mjolnir armour.
I really liked your idea that space marines who failed later, near the end of space marine training, still receive more specialized use instead of just being put through the meat grinder just for genetic seed. And they are the elite of the elite of the guard. Space Marine still above of the Spartans make themn the second bests of the Imperium. The third would be the Tempestus Scion.
I really like the sound of this hypothetical, because I've always have been in a firm believer that sci-fi settings should stop making humanity into one giant empire and that a Balkanized galaxy with a myriad of human space empires would be vastly more interesting. I think 40k would be a better setting if the Olamic Quietude, the Interex, the Diasporex, the Severan Dominate, Krieg and a bunch of other exotic and ideologically/culturally diverse human empires that managed to fight off or avoid the Imperium were actually major players in the setting and all playable on the tabletop.
I doubt the tabletop is popular enough for a myriad of such human factions to be viable from a sales perspective. I do agree it would be better from a lore perspective though.
@@58jharris That's easily fixable. Just give each of the human factions a Marine Chapter or two. Cobble together some barely rational lore to excuse it (GW are good at that) and sell it to the masses. It'd be successful because Marine fans will buy any old slop, as long as it's Marine slop.
Honestly the Tau and the UNSC coming together would be super Noble-Bright. But also be dope af. And seeing spartans running crisis suits would turn them into NEXT Armored Cores.
This series started to make me wonder how exactly the transformers and their factions would interact with warhammers setting like I have wondered how they would interact with halo's setting. And given how cybertron is quite literally in another galaxy, let's just say we plop it in the milky way just to make things convenient. Now, this scenario depends on what period the transformer civilization is in: ancient times with the thirteen primes who are basically just thirteen emperor of mankind's, the golden age where the transformers are literally at their peak and have countless worlds under their grasp with titan transformers, or pre civil war where the transformers have been forced to stay on cybertron for a varying amount of reasons because transformers has so many continuities so let's go with the rust plague, where transformer society is just openly ignoring everyone else while their suffering from energon shortages or civil unrest, then there's the civil war period with the decepticons fighting the autobots and let's say that this version of cybertron is the same one that goes into deep sleep mode because said war was ravaging the entire planet and would span millions of years. In warhammers setting, the transformers would essentially be either a polar bear or a fallen empire that you don't really want to poke at. And while the imperium could respond to the presence of cybertron with exterminautus, it wouldn't have the same impact on it like many other planets would experience. However hard you believe that ending of that death battle between frieza and megatron, the planet of cybertron wouldn't be destroyed and turned into ashes because fun fact: cybertron is the alt-mode of the transformers creator, Primus himself. Primus would probably be woken up by the poor attempt at his life and his creations and would notably recognize that there's a little thing called chaos and would ignore the imperial fleet and set out to do his godly duty, order. Primus is the brother god of order and creation, so thing's like the chaos God's who are pretty much Unicron's spawn... who unicron would also despise because of their nature of being apart of what makes an existing multiverse up of. Primus would either shut the eye of terror or go into the warp and challenge the chaos God's. And unlike warhammer, Primus doesn't need followers to boost him up to his godly state, he's basically an unrestrained ctan only ten times a ctan. Now back to the cybertronian society instead of their sleeping god. Let's talk about both the decepticons and autobots because their more well known of, the neutral third party of transformer society would just nope out of the galaxy and use space Bridges to get the hell out of dodge. The decepticons would be more than willing to work alongside the necrons and dark Eldar, but expect the dark Eldar to be backstabbed or be the backstabbers because megatron doesn't trust filthy meatbags as optimus does and rather sees them as tools for his own gains. Meanwhile, megatron and the necron factions would work alongside each other, but once megs finds out about how the necrons were once necrontyr via espionage thanks to soundwave, he's gonna wanna learn how to turn organic civilizations into an army of trillions at his command, completely loyal to him. Oh, and don't expect Starscream to be allowed to live very long as he's killed properly because megatron would expect him to fall to chaos in order to try and overthrow him. Other then that, the decepticons would on occasion trick the tau into working with them for a brief time because the tau are naive, try and trick the imperium or do hit and runs on the imperiums worlds, and would on occasion spar with the orks. Warhammer 40k is a setting where the decepticons would probably thrive in if given the chance. (Oh and note that the tyranids would probably avoid cybertron and all cybertronian colonies that lost contact with the Homeworld given how the cybertronian people are made of metal and shit). The autobots... well, they'd properly work alongside the tau but if optimus prime himself learns of the mind controlling, expect farsight to be appointed as the successor to the ethereals as the autobots inact a form of overthrowing of a government. Oh, and side note: the cybertronians typically throw grenades that explode into small blackholes, so say goodbye to a whole army of orks or chaos khorne demons trying to invade cybertron. Finally, if anything that needs to be said is this: if cybertron was where it typically is, then any of the factions of 40k warping in on the planet of cybertron is guaranteed to be impossible to ever happen. Because the planet of cybertron is in a galaxy far far and farther away from earth(or terra), making it likely that the factions never interact with each other. Funny thing is that while cybertron is a sleeping god, out there in the deep cosmos, his brother unicron is very much awake and gobbling down some planets here and there. Unless we're talking about him being the entire planet of earth, sleeping and unaware of how there's a heavily developed civilization living upon him, which in this case would be a funny thing... if big e does die and the warp destroys the surface of terra, I could expect that waking a unicron that would very much like to go back to sleep after killing an entire multiverse to make it happen. Not even the warp is safe in that case cuz then unicron would do what the tyranids do to unsuspecting civilizations and eat them. Tldr; it's heavily dependent on which version you use and what time period as well. Would like to see what the pancreas that doesn't work would take this scenario and work with it.
Primus did not make the transformers. That was another civilization. Primus and Unicron were made by a massively advanced species top scientists. Primus only granted them sentience to rebel against their cruel creators. Basically he upgraded them from highly advanced well made dumb AI into highly intelligent fully setient AI stuck in a robotic body.
You forgot to mention that they would unironically be the best infiltrators in the entire galaxy because nobody would expect your vehicle to be a 20 foot tall xenos robot. which because of their size they would literally be an army of knights on steroids plus you ain't gonna do anything to them unless you have some good anti-tank weapon like melta. Then again depending on the continuity you could have megatron and optimus dying to a lascannon (bayformers) to a random named transformer would be unironically capable of singlehandedly demolishing each and every god in warhammer (alternity)
We need to know more about how the Votann fare against the imperium. It feels like it would be important to this video's topic, since they are a non-imperial human faction without the Imperium's tech hangups.
Depending on the setup if they have Engineers on board every ship like they currently do then studying and reproducing other factions tech is going to be a lot faster and easier.
@@Furydragonstormer You’d think that, but then you realize that some of the tech in 40K doesn’t really follow science, and some of it is outright malicious.
@@papapalps2415 because smart AI in halo is insanely intelligent, and could even crack the forerunner stuff. and the forerunners a multiple multiple multple times for advanced than any faction 40k probably ever have been, let alone the current lore.
@@snekkie117 Okay...? And? Why is them being smart in the context of the modern Halo setting as hilariously weak as it is by comparison to 40k, relevant? And for that matter, why are you trying to pretend modern Halo humanity can 'crack' or understand Forerunner tech to any meaningful degree? They factually can't. It's functionally magic to them.
@@papapalps2415 Actually they can and have made attachments to their weapons and armor from Forerunner and Ancient Human technologies. Also they have Huragok's which can hack into and decipher anything. Then give them the information. So they have two vectors of information gathering. 1 is smart AIs the other are biomechanical super computers made by the Forerunners. Also Forerunner tech works for them by them literally picking it up and using it. Doesn't take a genius to pick up a weapon that self assembles and shoot something with it. The reason they can do this is the Geas or genesong implanted into their genetic code by the Forerunners marking them as Reclaimers. This genetic command imposed on them includes, among other things, a familiarity with Forerunner technology and control interfaces, as well as subconscious instructions on how to gradually achieve more sophisticated technology. Some of the features of the geas are carefully hidden and will only be activated by the right triggers, such as a latent immunity to the effects of the Composer. On Requiem, a personality imprint of the Librarian activated John-117's Composer immunity in order to allow him to defeat the Didact, who planned to enslave all of humanity with the Composer. It was indicated she did more than this, saying she was going to advance his evolution by activating his geas, telling him she had left humanity many gifts, of which the Composer immunity was only one. The Librarian also said that the Master Chief's evolution through this geas was the result of a "thousand lifetimes of planning," but never got to tell him exactly what she was planning for. So the UNSC don't really need to know how to build the technology when they can use Forerunner Assembler vats and design seeds to build whatever they need to use. These are effectively nanofabrication facilities utilized by Forerunners to construct all tools and structures. Including warships and weapons. So they just have to push a button. This for the UNSC isn't all that dissimilar to the Imperiums use of STCs. The difference being the level of technology involved.
I think throwing the Covenant, the UNSC, and maybe the flood in would be fine (the UNSC and the Covenant hunting them down would be both fun and terrifying), the Forrunners are too OP, unless your doing the Forrunner remnants like you see in the games
@@caleboch8181 Yeah, Yeet the Orion Arm around the start of the Human/Covenant War into 40K and scatter the Halo Rings around the Galaxy (with the ARK remaining a few hundred thousand light years above galactic center and Alpha[relatively near Reach] and Delta[somewhere in Covenant space, but undiscovered] Halos being within the Orion Arm and Zeta being nearby). Tau/UNSC Alliance is established as mentioned in this video, the IoM becomes a semi third faction in the War with the Covenant getting an additional front to Glass but with some Imperium factions not taking kindly to the UNSC(especially if they arrived soon enough to intervene in the Crusade meant to wipe out the Tau), and Chaos, the Tyranids, and Orks being themselves to make things even messier. Eventually the broad strokes of Halo Reach-3 play out but Chief is almost assuredly accompanied by the rest of Blue(and depending on if a Necron Dynasty or two joined with the UNSC/Tau and how many Tau reinforcements got sent to Reach at least some of Noble) Team(s). The Swords of Shanghelios are going to join the ‘Coalition of Civilizations’ assuming that the Brutes get the go ahead to Order 66 the Elites given the circumstances of additional fronts, and the Eldarr probably become allies after the war to focus on taking out the Tyranids and hampering Chaos. The IoM is probably going to try to Exterminatus the CoCs, but eventually collapse under the strain of Chaos, infighting(genociding Xenos is one thing, but many will have conflicting feelings about fighting other Humans) and cross factional teamwork, not to mention worlds leaving for a Human interplanetary government that kind of gives a crap and can actually advance technology. Still Chaos, but with significantly less Warp reliance overall, the IoM mostly wiped out, and the Tyranids dealt with the Warhammer Galaxy has something resembling peace by the next few millennia after the Human/Covenant War and it’s follow up conflicts. Perhaps a bit bright for 40K; but given how hope for eventual victory, tactical and heroic sacrifice, and the indomitable spirit of humanity are core themes of Halo as a franchise I think that’s how things would play out.
The NOVA bomb concept is actually pretty solid. A nuclear fission bomb slams a piece of enriched fissile material into another piece of fissile material. This causes a chain reaction that breaks the strong nuclear force inside the uranium or plutonium or whatever and releases a huge amount of energy in the form of an explosion. To get a stronger explosion you have 3 options, increase the physical size of the warhead (more material equals more boom), change the shape of the warhead to optimize the chain reaction (the longer you can keep the reaction going, the more energy you release), or shield the detonation chamber with material capable of reflecting and amplifying the energy release (feflecting neutrons back into the chamber makes it more likely that reactions will occur). A fusion bomb or hydrogen bomb takes it a step further by using the energy released by the fission explosion to drive the fusion of a hydrogen core into helium, which is the process stars use to fuel themselves. It releases an enormous amount of energy and is made even more powerful by the same methods as fission bombs but has a super secret cheat code that can increase the power even further: You don't have to just use hydrogen. The US and USSR were in the early stages of considering using helium and lithium in their largest fusion bombs before the tsar bomba put an end to that dick measuring contest. In theory any element up to Iron can be used as a fuel for fusion if you have enough energy to force the fusion process and a casing strong enough to hold the warhead together during the process. The longer the warhead holds together, the more reactions take place and the larger the explosion you get. The heavier the material, the more energy gets released by the fusion process. Of course that is far beyond anything we have done in reality. The NOVA bomb was described as multiple nuclear bombs with a Lithium Triteride shield presumably to increase the fusion reaction. To give context, the supernova that created our local star cluster was likely a nova of a supergiant star with an iron core and it spread radiation and debris over several hundred lightyears when it went off. The destruction of a planet could be well within the bounds of what could be possible with a weapon like the NOVA bomb.
the third scenario is surprisingly more likely than most might realize because during the Great Crusade the Imperium encountered ANOTHER Imperium with another Terra and ANOTHER Emperor and Space Marines and all that.
that was probably the most funniest shit ever just to create such blatant foreshadowing of whats comming. but hey why not the precident is set, do it again :P
Big fan of this series. In particular, love the 'Nomad UNSC' concept. Just this little fleet of ships screwing with/paling around with everyone in 40k!
UNSC Marines raise rifles with orange glowing muzzle attachment and a under barrel grenade luncher at the Tau Fire Caste Warrior. UEG diplomat and Ethereal both step in to keep them from shooting each other. Fact is the UNSC is the military and they have had nothing but bad experiences with Xenos.
@@nobleman9393 It's not a mindless berserker thing it's that every single UNSC Marine , Army Soldier , Airmen , and Seaman is either a veteran of more than 3 decades of fighting Xenos and have developed a hatred or dislike for xenos in general or they grew up during the war lost family members and friends and simply don't trust anyone that isn't human. In either case every time the UNSC has been approached by a non human species that species has tried to kill them. Hence the reason that the UEG diplomat and the Tau equivalent would have to step in. Not because the Tau are aggressive at first contact. But because the UNSC are rather defensive. Hence the raising the rifle with either an energy or hardlight bayonet at the end of it. The Tau fire caste would likely respond by raising their own weapons then the diplomats would step in on both sides to cool the tensions between them. And actually get to talking and diplomacy. Which the higher ups in the UNSC/UEG are good at but the regular troops not so much. It's like muscle memory for the UNSC Marines and Army at this point. Also the reason why it would take a long time to get them use to dealing with the Vespid and the Kroot. Because while they tend to dislike anything that isn't human due to past trauma via war and the attempted genocide by Xenos . The Tau don't look like any of the species that tried to kill them. The Vespid and the Kroot on the other hand have features similar to the Yanme'e and the Kig Yar. So that ichy trigger finger problem would have to be adjusted. The next generation of troops while being taught the history likely won't be as trigger happy against Xenos as the current generation of troops in the UNSC military. Get it.
@@John2r1 You would think that they would get some guys who can be depended on and not cause an inccident during a diplomatic meeting. I don't remember the Tau bringing the Kroot or the Vespids as bodyguards, It's always Fire Warriors and sometimes Gue-vesa.
@@nobleman9393 They don't really have anyone in their military that hasn't been affected by the last war they fought. However these men would be the security forces not the ones doing the diplomacy. The Tau have dealt with Imperial worlds before they would already know that these humans have had some bad experiences with Xenos species. But the fact that the UNSC didn't just start shooting means they are at least willing the hear them out. Despite not trusting them or even a level of hate towards most Xenos races. The presence of the Gue-vesa would also help with cooling the tensions between the Marines and the Tau fire caste. After first contact going about as well as could be expected given the history of the UNSC. They would eventually at least accept co-existence with the Tau. Trust is earned not given though. So its a long game for both sides. But on the positive side it's Marines and no Spartans being used as bodyguards. At least they are normal sized humans. The Tau would likely see Spartans the same way they see Space Marines.
I did some back of the napkin math on the orbital MAC round. If my math is mathing right, it'd have ~36 terrajoules of energy. That's roughly equivalent to around half the yield of Little Boy, but linear rather than spherical. That's a big fucking hit, no matter who you are.
Honestly I think the UNSC would be a lot quicker to reverse-engineer empire tech. Their AI is incredible, they integrated forerunner tech into the infinity. Sure, the forerunner chose them. but keep in mind JUST how FAR the forerunner actually are to the imperium. And they decoded and integrated it. So with that, the UNSC could recreate imperial lasguns and power armor pretty easily and then outright improve them. Imagine an Imperial knight, but instead of a injured space marine being the pilot, its a UNSC AI. It would be 10x better just with that alone, then advance the mjolnir project to armor up those bad boys. Suddenly, UNSC Knights and other tech they mod from imperial reverse-engineered techy start showing up. And if a spartan can kill a space marine, whos to say they wont drag that sad sack of flesh back to oni. and GOD FORBID the space marine is a newer one and has a fucking gene seed organ with them still. Oni would take one look at studying the space marines and go *oooooooooooooooooooooh Haaaaaaaaaaaalllllssssseeeeeeeeeeeey*
It’s hilarious that people think the UNSC would reverse engineer everything, even when the average UNSC marine has hardly changed over decades of conflict. They still use mainly assault rifles, despite exposure to plasma guns for decades.
It's not like they didn't reverse engineer it. It's that by the end of the Human-Covenant war 90% of Human infrastructure was decimated. So it doesn't matter if you know HOW to make plasma weapons, when you don't have the manufacturing capability to actually make the shit. And if we think about it, ONI learned enough by the end of the war to know well how to counter covenant weapons. The issue was just manpower and Industry. I mean come on, you should be able to tell Human engineering just by the infinity alone. Another thing, 7.62x51 was still effective in butchering Elites and Brutes, so why stop using it? We already have tons and tons and tons of the shit, might as well make use of i, right?@@Pepsi-Mann21
@@Voidicusoffical "So it doesn't matter if you know HOW to make plasma weapons, when you don't have the manufacturing capability to actually make the shit." The UNSC had the industrial base to make new classes of warships with shields, the argument is moot. "Another thing, 7.62x51 was still effective in butchering Elites and Brutes, so why stop using it? We already have tons and tons and tons of the shit, might as well make use of i, right?" Plasma is far more dangerous. Brutes get one shotted by plasma pistols. There's no reason why the UNSC wouldn't use the tech if they actually had it.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 the biggest threat the UNSC has for the Imperium would be AI like Cortana. Space Marine Armor and 40k ships are hackable, DAOT AI have proved it, and Cortana has hacked into forerunner installations who are the DAOT on roids
it depends. the spartan would likely be more agile and faster and has shields. if its a group of one of the dumber more melee obsessed space marine chapters and the spartan had decent weapons to be able to deal damage i could see a single spartan taking out the squad over a protracted hit and run style fight. if the spartan had a unsc sniper, game over. those things are like 4 bolter rounds stacked on top each other, it'd blow straight through space marine power armor.
Considering that one A.I. from DAOT that was used to pilot a ship was able to hack pretty much anything from the Imperium's arrsenal (servitors included) with zero difficulty. I am pretty sure that the UNSC A.I. could pretty much cripple the entire Imperium if they managed to figure out how they work and frankly I dont think it would be too difficult for them, even when it comes to the IOM's more advanced stuff.
The Imperiums competence against AI depends largely on who is writing the story. That said, if the UNSC’s survival in 40K is reliant on hacking, they’re screwed.
@@alexisbaz8746 Because they haven’t had any serious encounters with scrap code or chaos in general. And because they have plot armor. Also, it’s AI, not IA
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Look, it might be true that the UNSC is deeply outgunned, outmanned, and out-technologied, but has anyone considered that master chief has a blue lady in his head calling him stud muffin?
Funny enough their not outgunned or out teched when you actually know what they have beyond the bungie era games. They are however outnumbered but that's normal for the UNSC.
@@John2r1 "In deep space, the Imperium also maintains battle stations - planet-sized ports that tether ships of the line. At various strategic points can be found larger starforts - the lynchpins of Imperial expansion since the days of the Great Crusade. Even further into the wilderness of the void drift an array of listening probes and exploratory stations. Defensive emplacements and man-made stations of all sorts are scattered about the galaxy, floating freely in space and guarding against alien onslaught. Most often, these bases are in close proximity to Imperial planets, although some protect the more commonly used routes between them. There are ancient and complex bases, artificial moons and doomsday bastions, as well as simple hazard zones made of asteroids chained together and kept in place by occasional thruster bursts." 7th ed rulebook
@Pepsi-Mann21 Oh, cool, and yet every single faction around them have invaded the Imperium. Presumably through these nice little defenses. Seriously the Imperium is invaded daily. What's another Xenos faction they don't have the available forces to wipe out at this point. And you might also remember the primius of the video scenario . It's not a 1v1 the Covenant is being introduced as a new faction into the Universe itself here. If the Imperium attacks the Covenant. The Imperium will be attacked by the other factions. Because to attack the Covenant the Imperium has to weaken another point in its defense. Oh and Slipspace allows the Covenant to either completely bypass the planets or jump in, drop some antimatter Bombs, and jump out. Making them tactically flexible. Now the Imperium would still react to it but not in the numbers you seem to think . Because currently the Imperium doesn't have the ships and manpower to launch 10,000 ships in a single Crusade without the others noticing and attacking them. And as Pancreasnowork himself said the Covenant is not going to conquer the Imperium. It's too big. What they will do is poke at it, cause chaos , kill some human worlds and be pushed back only to do it all over again. On a scale the Tau couldn't hope to match. But not something the Imperium doesn't deal with daily. Fact is the Imperium I'd a shaddow if it's former self and incapable of launching a major Crusade. If the Imperium was capable of doing even half of what it could in 30k the Tau wouldn't exist. The Orkz would be trying to make a peace treaty. Their not. And the Tau still exists because the Imperium of today is not the Imperium of 30k.
@@John2r1 Yes, through swarms of ships that make UNSC/Covie cruisers look like toys. Orks an Nids can easily brute force Imperial defenses, while Aeldari and Necron ships are simply on a different level of tech. 40k IoM is actually more advanced than 30k IoM in some ways. Case in point Primaris marines and the intro of new plasma weapons. "Oh and Slipspace allows the Covenant to either completely bypass the planets or jump in, drop some antimatter Bombs, and jump out." And warp travel allows a fleet to jump next to High Charity at around 500,000km away, and then turn it to dust. And then jump out. Slipspace isn't faster than the warp, it's just more reliable. And Covie antimatter bombs don't one tap planets. You keep ignoring the fact the IoM can easily outrange and destroy High Charity, as it's not a full planet, but in essence a very large ship. It's like a craftworld but worse.
The way you transitioned from the content to your ad read... as a typical consumer that hits the *skip* button asap... was masterful. Hats off to you sir, you nailed that part. (Edit, you made alot of the same arguments that I had, that came to mind in your explanations. Well done.)
It would be real fun to see you do this with other factions from sci-fi, perhaps even collaborate with some other TH-camrs who know more about the faction/universe you’re discussing. I think that would be amazing and would be very interesting to discuss.
If I remember correctly, the Imperium actually encountered a human-alien nomadic civilization that sounds just like your nomadic UNSC scenario they were called the Diasporex and well.... They kind of got wiped out by the crusading imperium. Granted this was the Great Crusade era Imperium not the 40k imperium but to me this just means that your scenarios might change a lot depending on which time period of Warhammer they appear in.
Also could change depending on the time period the UNSC Humans are in. Lets not forget the UNSC are the durect descendents of the Ancient Human Empire which technologically rivialed the Forerunners. And are genetically altered via a Geas implanted in their genetic code that gives them access to all Forerunner technologies. Also it would likely take the Imperium at least a few thousand years to even notice them. And the Geas aka Genetic Comman implanted into their DNA gives them a set of subconscious instructions. The Librarian imposed a broader geas on the entire human race, which has affected them a great deal throughout their history following the activation of the Halo Array. The geas includes, among other things, a familiarity with Forerunner technology and control interfaces,as well as subconscious instructions on how to gradually achieve more sophisticated technology including AI , Advancements in Power armor and weapons among other things . So the Imperium is as likely to run into the current UNSC as they are to run into a empire as advanced as the Forerunners or Ancient Human Empire. Which could curb stomp the Imperium.
I wish there was a human faction other then the Imperium. I can’t get behind the flavor of grim dark they are so having a faction like the UNSC or a Battletech faction in 40K would be something I’d like to see. This video was a fun thought experiment well do e
What I really loved about Halo is that the UNSC vs Covenant war is basically grounded Sci-fi vs Space Fantasy. Which is pretty much why the UNSC took a beating and also why a lot of fanfics love putting them in the Mass Effect universe. Like the Covenant, every 40k faction is pretty much different flavors of Space Fantasy. Except maybe the Tau. They are a bit grounded in terms of the believability of their tech.
I think this whole fan fiction overlooks the fatal flaw with the UNSC: lack of adaptation to chaos. Their sentient AIs would be pretty easy to corrupt. As would their Spartans. The Imperium is inefficient by design to be resilient in the face of chaos corruption. The UNSC would fall quickly to the slightest taint. They are too connected, too free thinking, and lack faith or other protection from chaos like the tau's small presence, the tyranid's hivemind, and the ork's collective waaagh.
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Where the fuck are the other 4 parts ?????
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Make a video about Jaghatai Khan pls
don't forget the unsc uses 762
The UNSC could probably appear inside of the Imperium and the Imperium would be entirely unaware for the next 300 years
Then they would find out, fight them and leave halfway through the war then forget for another 300 years, then it’s rinse and repeat.
I mean given the breadth of Imperial worlds, many of which have little to no contact with the greater Imperium, it easily could exist already.
The unsc can probably use that against the imperium
Make that 1000 years my good sir.
Or........the UNSC joins the Imperium as a highly autonomous sector
UNSC: I hate aliens, you hate aliens, why dont we team up
Imperium: is that a fucking V-tuber?
UNSC: uh.... no?
Admech: Heretech!
Space Marine: Abomination!
Inquisitor: Maidenless.
Imperium Plebian: Corpse Starch?
Ork Sneak Boy: WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
UNSC: Her feet pics are $10..
Just wait till the Mechanicus realizes AIs are made using human brains and are therefor, NOT TECHNICALLY, abominable intelligence.
@@Peusterokos1 Guilliman: This is closer to my father's vision.
@@Peusterokos1 Hotel: Trivago
The UNSC’s greatest weapon in this scenario is rationality and a willingness to talk and find other avenues besides all out war.
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
also their ability to travel through the space without using the warp
Unfortunately, the IoM doesn't share that rationality and would piss themselves with rage the moment they saw an AI
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle very true, but they don’t really need to see an AI in that case. The Mechanicus barely know how their own shit works, therefore unless an AI hologram blorps into view right in front of them it stands to reason they would have no way of knowing that the UNSC makes heavy use of AI. And hopefully the UNSC will be able to figure out that taboo pretty quickly and tell all their AIs not to make themselves known should they be in any kind of contact with the imperium. Or at least don’t act sentient if they must communicate.
@@SentientMeatloaf1 with how familiar they are with servitors (and how eager they are to steal knowledge) sooner or later they'd realize that the doors or something aren't human-powered and throw a temper tantrum
A UNSC-Necron alliance could also lead to another thing: Necron experimentation using UNSC medical, bio-augmentation, and cloning techniques to see if they could remake bodies for the Necrons.
Silent King might be interested.
Traz would also have a new advance race to collect from, win win for the necrons imo
If this actually happens, the unsc might just go to the most powerful faction in the setting simply because the necrons wont allow ANYONE or ANYTHING to fuck with them.
@@lekrieg8618 That and the fact that between them and their Huragok pets they can reverse engineer anything they get their hands on.
Why would they tho? they have much greater knowledge and technology than the UNSC.
@@nobleman9393 The UNSC has a limited amount of Forerunner technology and Ancient Human technology. Which given the Imperium has no clue about the Forerunners. And all Ancient Human technology is Archotech. They would be more interested in that.
Besides the UNSC biological augmentation tech and knowledge allows them to make any man or woman into a super soldier.
Take a planet like Krieg and turn their Guardsmen into Spartan 4 super soldiers . And now you can see the advantage of not going to war with the UNSC. Even out numbering them initially doesn't mean much when they have super soldiers capable of ripping through entire regiments of Guardsmen individually and armed with Archotech.
Yes the UNSC has reverse engineered Forerunner and Ancient Human weapons and technology. The Huragok aka Engineers I mentioned have significantly accelerated the rate of reverse engineering. They have also improved UNSC technologies. Including the slipspace drive allowing for precision jumps. Meaning with their nice little exterminatus packages aka Nova Bombs which double as munitions apparently. They can jump into a planets atmosphere below the orbital defense grid , drop a bomb and jump out.
This kind of advantage would be very interesting to the Imperium. Thus making whipping them out simply not feasible. Kind of the same reason the Imperium didn't exterminatus the Squats in old lore. The UNSC is effectively Ancient Humanity to the Imperium and have a lot of Archotech which is important to the Imperium. Who tend to like to keep human history especially the Mechanicus.
Oh and the Imperium doesn't have anywhere near the technical knowledge of how their stuff works .
And per technological time scale the Imperium first discovered FTL via the Warp in the 15th millennia . The UNSC did this with their slipspace drives development in the 3rd millenia .
So their are developing things technologically in two different time frames.
Not to mention the Imperium has had multiple dark ages events . During which they lost knowledge of how everything works. Hence the Imperium does religious rituals for their technology. The UNSC and The Squats in 40k don't. Because they know how the technology actually works.
So on the Imperium side we have a technologically stagnate and declining power. Who has mostly forgotten how their own technology works.
On the UNSC side we have an empire that actually predates the Imperium by well over a million years. That has experienced its own set backs including being reset to caveman twice. Who actually know how their technology works. And are reverse engineering Ancient more advanced technology from their ancestors. Aka reverse engineering Archotech tech with the help of a biological super computer that was created by their "ancestors" or Forerunners . The Huragok aka Engineers are basically pets of their's. They are also very important since they contain a lot of knowledge.
Essentially when you actually look at the complete time line thus far . The UNSC has more advanced technologies. They inherited from their ancestors and the Forerunners. The thing with that is they have to learn how to manufacture said technologies. Which is the entire point of reverse engineering.
They can easily pick up a Z-110 Boltshot Directed Energy Pistol and punch a hole through an Astartes armor but that doesn't mean they can manufacture the weapon anymore at this point.
Thus the Imperium would see no point in fighting them. To the Imperium the UNSC aren't threatening them. And it's just a matter of time before they after being exposed to Imperal worlds end up joining anyways as an ally at least..
Since let's be honest the Orkz are just green Brutes, the Tau remind them of the Covenant only a bitch version. The Necrons are a um no in general. The Tyranids are like the Flood without the threat of reality warping and using the Galactic autobon to crush your planets and ships. Read Halo Silentium. You will never see the Flood as just a form of Tyranids again. Because they are way worse than Tyranids.
If you had a Flood force the size if a Hive fleet the galaxy is pretty much screwed..
Hence why the UNSC would go hunting them with Nova Bombs.
So when we really look at it the only long term alliance options for them are the Squats and the Imperium. Because everything else either hate/ wants to eat humans or is a bitch version of the Covenant. For the most part.
So technologically the UNSC are as advanced as the Imperium. And are gaining technology as they reverse engineer their own Archotech. Which is honestly the biggest thing the Imperium would be interested in other than the fact they can make adult Guardsmen into super soldiers which would be very interesting to the Imperium.
We know how effective Guardsmen are. We know how effective Spartans are. Now combine them and what do we get ? Less Xenos in the way of humanity.
I can just imagine an inquisitor uncovering an ONI spy and freaking out about another human empire SOMEWHERE
The thing is, there's remnants of the old imperium of man that people haven't even contacted. It would be less of a surprise and more of confusion as they try understanding their origins. "We found humans that call themselves the UNSC, when did we ever name a group that? And why do they have Dark age tech and AIs?"
@@zincgoblin7538considering how shit their bureaucracy is they'd probably chalk it up to something from millennia ago, it's so terrible that something just archived is immediately considered lost
Then they bond over the horrible crimes they’ve each committed
@@pancreasnowork9939the inquisitor would actually be shocked at how evil the ONI agent is
That must be a very very clumsy oni agent to be found
I'm so used to hearing Eckhart's Ladder saying Warhammer would beat literally any and every sci-fi universe that this is quite the refresher
He said that? I haven't watched any of his stuff in a while, but he always seemed pretty level headed when it came to favouritism. I doubt he's unaware of the numerous other sci-fi universes that would laugh at 40k's attempts to be powerful.
@@Toxichobbit.Given he almost chocked himself on halo dick in his video on best super solders because of armour I doubt it
@@Toxichobbit. He had a series where he pitted multiple universe against each other in certain fields, ground armies, space fleets, technology, etc, and Warhammer ALWAYS had the runaway victory. Any point a different franchise had over them felt like pity. Honestly, it turned me off from the Warhammer franchise for years before I heard a differing opinion that swayed me back
@@mog-myownbestfriend I know the series you're talking about. I didn't think Warhammer won them all, though it's been a long time since I watched it. Regardless, I can see why it turned you off 40k. 40k is probably my favourite sci-fi setting (though not favourite franchise) and nothing rustles my jimmies more than the endless masturbating 40k fans do to it's power levels. Especially because a large amount of them aren't even factually correct with their so called evidence.
Also, that Ekhart's Ladder series missed out a lot of the really overpowered sci-fi settings out there. Probably because it would have been a 30 second video if he'd included them as they'd wipe the floor with any of the franchises he did feature, with no more effort than it takes us to step on an ant.
@@mog-myownbestfriend Actually, he did say UNSC marines would beat the IG, but he broke his own rules to do it by giving them Spartans and the Navy.
Hey just wanted to let you know that the UNSC actually uses 7.62 rounds and not 5.56 rounds.
Really???? I had no idea
Either way, they're fools. Everybody knows that 5.7 is the best for kicking alien butts, cause it's used in p90, the ultimate weapon against aliens
@@darkleome5409Man, I gotta start watching Stargate someday.
@@tristanbeer1257the original show is great can’t say much about any other shows or movies as I haven’t seen them but still highly recommend
@@Cody-5501the shows not even average the ratings were bad and it gets pretty boring can’t get past the first episode
In 40k lore a ship from mankind’s peak traveled to the future to see what happens. Didn’t go well, they burned the crew for heresy and tried to take the ship. The tach on that ship would have sent the empires knowledge of science and technology so far forward it would have essentially erased all their problems at once. However the ships AI killed the tech priest and space Marines. It then flew away, out of the galaxy in the depths of dark space to live in eternal depression.
Which just, ironically, proves the Imperium's point about AI. It didn't try to help humanity or try to understand mankind's situation, it just threw a hissy fit, insulted us, and left. That is an extremely childish mentality and honestly more akin to how a toddler with brain damage thinks and behaves. Now, imagine that for all AI and that AI are in every single piece of technology...yeah.
@@midgetydeath
Ya but the AI ships crew were all burned alive. I’d think I’d take that personally.
@@midgetydeath The Imperials tried to kill the AI several times and burned his friends at the stake, why would it want to stay and help them?
@@midgetydeath Are you joking or something?
@@midgetydeathYou are almost retarded enough to actually fit in the 40K universe.
UNSC: * merticulously execuses realistic military tactics *
Imperium of Man: "MY FACE IS MY SHIELD!" * whomps the UNSC in glorious melee *
*UNSC:* "Why do the Astartes keep changing from plodding slow to lightning fast!?!"
*Astartes:* "FAITH, HONOR AND VIGILANCE."
*UNSC:* "That doesn't even make sense!"
*Astartes:* "FAITH, HATE, AND IGNORANCE THEN."
*UNSC:* "Oh come ON!"
No pity!
No remorse!
No fear!
>merticulously execuses
@@bubbasbigblast8563 so true
This is the first comment ive laughed at in a while. Thanks.
This video just reminded me that for ships the UNSC has some of the best stealth tech. There is a mention in the first book in the master cheif trilogy where a sangheli is looking between his window and his control panel because he can see ships flying in front of and blocking stars out his window, but his sensors say nothing is there.
Somehow the UNSC has better stealth tech for ships than the covenant.
Its probably because the covenant doesnt really have to rely on stealth, or detection since why bother when all your enemies are weaker. While humanity gains a fucking lot by being stealth and revealing themselves with bigger numbers, and just enough firepower to cripple you with the first salvo.
@@clairelili873 The interesting thing it that this is very early stealth tech for humans. The book takes place directly after the battle of chi ceti 4 and harvest. It features the insurrection first finding out about the covenant. It's really early and humanity apparently has one advantage.
@@clairelili873 Their infantry do use stealth technology though so I am surprised it isn't something they experimented with more.
Last i checked, the reason was two fold. While it is undeniable UNSC/ONI stealth is weirdly good, another issue was that covenant sensors were so good, they had an issue of info overload, so they had to look into the logs manually to find human ships. You had to set you filters right if you wanted to find the stealth ship live on sensors.
I don't remember what book(s) this came from, so take it with a grain of salt
That’s hilarious!
The UNSC being allies with both the Eldar and T’au sounds like a pretty fun sitcom idea.
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
I can imagine ONI agents and UNSC diplomats would just shout at the eldar, enough with the riddles you damned space elf!
Speak plainly!
My Marine Sergeant Can't Be This Cute, a production by the Greater Good.
@@marseldagistani1989 There is an excerpt where a rogue trader talks about his experiences with talking to an eldar. When the eldar is explaining some complicated concept, he understood it all very clearly, but after a while when he tried to reiterate the concepts he had trouble even recapping the information in his mind, let alone put it into words. Eldar don't talk in riddles, humans just aren't equipped to understand what they're trying to say. Doesn't help that the Imperium usually doesn't care about trying to understand, but that's a problem the UNSC doesn't have.
I mean, the UNSC were fine teaming up with the Arbiter's forces against the Covenant remnants after the war ended. No reason why they wouldn't see the merit in an alliance with non-hostile alien races against a common adversary.
Plus, mech suits. The UNSC loves their tanks and mech suits.
The UNSC in 30k on the other hand would be pretty damn important.
1. Emps himself would take a keen interest in the Shaw-Fujikawa Slipspace drive as a way to end human dependence on the Warp, because advanced space-time shortcut engine > demon-energy teleport engine
2. (This is a big IF) The UNSC can convince the Imperium to adopt their AIs. The way AI is made by the UNSC makes them *very advanced* machine spirits that trace their creation to the biological mind of a dead human.
3. Imagine two of the biggest nutjobs in their respective franchises working as colleages: Dr. Halsey and Big E
The question is which group of super soldiers would the UNSC/early Imperium alliance use more?
The Spartan program which is for all intents and purposes perfected although lacks a lot of the more esoteric abilities of the Astartes, or the Space Marines who have a lot of extra abilities the Spartans lack but are subject to incredibly finicky technology and genecraft?
Me personally I'm leaning more towards Astartes due to the Primarchs being around and the fact that Astartes are built to resist Chaos corruption unlike the Spartans.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 never mind the fact that a full half of the Space marines fell during the Horus heresy. I think if the Imperium had spartans they'd just be a more numerous more powerful, more special-use guardsmen. especially the IV's; deploy them when you need something done that doesn't require a space marine for it. As for chaos corruption, they're for all intents and purposes regular people who willingly consent to the process, so at least with the IV's so they'd be less susceptible to chaos corruption. I can see maybe the III's or II's maybe falling, but those were made from the genetic cream of the crop of humanity at the time; if you're getting picked for the spartan program, you'd be competing with the candidate pool for the Custodes and some of the other space marine chapters.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 space marines were always meant to be a bit specialized units. you don't throw space marines at the problem at first sight. you use space marines when things are getting bad or you need a certain fix for a certain problem. i think big E would stick with space marines for this reason as that was always the intention. however that being said i doubt he would completely ignore the spartan projects because honestly they work really well. who knows, maybe he would create one more primarch and apply space marine genetics to a spartan to see how well it would work. big E was always a bit more of a mad scientist throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks than people think.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 they'd deploy both if we consider how SPARTAN IVs are trained. No need for massive regiments of Imperial Auxilia, just battalions of SPARTAN IVs mixed with the Legioned Astartes.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Personally I prefer spartan augment because astarte augmentations can be pretty redundant. Spartan augmentations have some believable sense of actual utility.
The UNSC, being from another universe, could become Trazyn's obsession for a millennia easily-either their undoing, or security as humans with 'trade' sense.
Chief and the Arbiter would make very nice additions to his collection. Heck, he could probably fit a whole Halo Ring in there somehow.
There’s so many scenarios with Trazyn I can imagine. He would probably absolutely be willing to just teleport his planet somewhere into unsc space just not to deal with the fuckery of everyone else but maybe some oni agents with a little to much balls.
I also imagine trazyn trying to trying to find and replicate a entire historical battle from unsc history only to find oni did it for him and were trying to give it to him as a gift.
Trazyn would absolutely pluck a Spartan or two
@@addisonwelshIf he could fit an entire Nid hive fleet in the middle of a planetary invasion as a diorama, he definitely may be able to pull off getting a ring to fit somewhere, heck, it may evan become an entire aisle for his new exhibitions.
@@AAhmou he could probably just stick the ring around solemnance
The UNSC and the Leagues of Votaan bonding over lying to the Admech would be funny. "Wait you guys have AI too? And those toaster fuckers let you?" "Pft, no. We kill them if they get too close."
A three way alliance between the T’au, Votaan and UNSC with AI rights being their bonding principle would be glorious.
@@pjmetzen3483an eldar spartan would be terrifying.
I imagine ONIs first goal would be to integrate pyskers into the spartan program, like ghosts from starcraft
Hey someone here knows what StarCraft is ,hello there
@@voidwalkerbruh7426 famously obscure, unknown franchise, Starcraft lmao
AI therapy sessions, UNSC Smart AI help Votann Ancestor Cores catch their breath for the first time in Millenia.
Craftworld Eldars would cry tears of joy finally meeting humans that are not insane*
*Aslong they don't meet ONI first
ONI meetw Eldari Orphan whose parents were killed by Salamanders.
"Hello space elf Child! Would you like to join the Spartans?"
and immediately screw over in the most hilarious way possible because they LOVE "logical" factions that they can easily manipulate Reminder that in general the Eldar literally see humans as slightly more evolved chimps
@@marseldagistani1989Spartans with psychic abilities, jeezus
The cope here ❤ love it.
@@marseldagistani1989 If they could figure out how to make human augmentations work the would totally do that lol.
I always love the idea of how ONI would react to 40k which would probably be along the lines of ramping up crimes against humanity ten fold
Pretty much but he does fail to go into the tech shit the UNSC/ ONI bring to the galaxy.
Because the UNSC wasn't just getting it's shit rocked by the Covenant. The UNSC was Strategic Transfering of Equipment to Alternate Locations from the Covenant while researching and trying to use any Forerunner tech they found. Admittedly it wasn't until after the war that the UNSC started finding Forerunner armories and vehicle storage depots and doing exactly what the Mechanicus would do if they found dark age of technology tech and weapons. Taking everything that isn't bolted down then using plasma cutters to take anything that was.
But during the war they started reverse engineering Covenant tech. Post war they have done the same with Forerunner technology.
This has lead to weapons attachments, weapons that shoot plasma , blamite ( a crystalline, high-explosive material) and hardlight encased antimatter particles.
The Kinetic bolts attachment.. www.halopedia.org/Kinetic_Bolts
So other than basically fighting a losing war the UNSC was actually doing a lot of experimental research to reverse engineer the Covenants weapons and tech to use against them. And post war have continued to do so with more Forerunner weapons and tech along with the assistance of the Engineers aka Huragok.
Fun fact the Huragok are pacifist who at some point decided to start sabotaging Covenant equipment. And During the Great Schism, the now predominantly Jiralhanae-controlled Covenant military placed explosives charges onto the bodies of Huragok, in order to prevent them from falling into the hands of UNSC forces. The Huragok did not initially resist this measure, as they were made to believe that humanity would force them to defile Forerunner relics should they ever be captured.Once they realized it was to make them suicide bombers, however, many Huragok made attempts to resist receiving charges, usually failing.The Huragok were warned that if they disobeyed orders, their attached explosive charges would be detonated. However, some realized that the only chance they had to escape Jiralhanae brutality was to aid humanity in defeating the Covenant. As a result, the Huragok worked to allow a handful of their compatriots escape their commanders.
Post war Between November 2552 and March 2553, Lucy-B091 discovered four Huragok inside Shield World 006 in Onyx. These Huragok eventually helped the human survivors in the shield world reestablish contact with the UNSC.Two Huragok were also assigned on Kilo-Five's prowler-UNSC Port Stanley-in order to provide it with the same upgrades as Infinity.
Many Huragok are strategically employed by the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence, primarily to assist in the reverse-engineering of Covenant technology or deciphering Forerunner data terminals.
They seem to be happy to work with humanity.
So this likely being post war the UNSC have biological supercomputers as pets. Which means they have upgraded alot. ONI of course is still going to do what ONI does mostly war crimes.
When in Rome
So it's tuesday?
@FightOrSuicide Yeah basically for both the UNSC and everyone else.
Because beyond the games Halo is actually a cosmic horror story in which even the Lovecraftin God's want to kill humanity.
Oh and the Aliens aka the Covenant fire plasma as hot as a Red Dwarf star at them on a daily practically. Then there's the antimatter shooting knock off of Necrons in the Halo Universe because Bungie and 343 industries are apparently fans of 40k lol.
So yeah it's a Tuesday for everyone involved for the most part.
@@John2r1 red dwarfs aren't really that hot 😂
I love the UNSC-but unfortunately for them, they’re actually grounded to reality, but they would certainly be able to stage a defensive war like how they did against the Covenant-and since they’re entirely a human empire, I imagine they wouldn’t be as resented by the Imperium, possibly even being able to form a nonaggression pact or defensive alliance, particularly since the UNSC is capable of actually comprehending alien technology and adapting it into their own.
[EDIT]: Continuing this line of thought, the UNSC’s naval and military doctrine is based around elastic defense, being suited against numerically and technologically foes such as the Covenant, however unlike the Covenant, who could afford to dedicate overwhelming numerical forces, any potential neighboring factions doesn’t have that luxury. This isn’t accounting for their attempts at diplomacy with the Covenant, so immediate hostilities are unlikely.
(I’m sorry for the debate in the replies I didn’t think this comment through lmao)
Oddly enough the best-case scenario for the UNSC is if they meet the Ultramarines, which for the most part are very reasonable, and would leave the UNSC a thing on itself as long as it pays its taxes
They did go to war with basically all known aliens at their time so the unsc would be viewed as an ally to take down foul xenos scum!
I feel like the ships in halo are too fast compared to the ships in 40k. they could hit and run pretty well giving them a bit of space supremacy.
The second the imperium find out that the unsc uses ai they would obliterate them
@@GiRR007somehow Horus defeated people that did that. He basically just chased them until they had to stop to refuel.
The nova bomb isn't actually that outlandish. It's a thermonuclear fusion weapon, meaning it's a multi-stage weapon that uses multiple explosions to compress and boost its payload. This is already standard for thermonuclear weapons in real life. The only difference is that the nova bomb uses a lot more stages. It's basically doing this to ensure as much of its fuel is converted to energy as efficiently as possible. Usually, when a nuclear weapon goes off, only a small percentage of the fuel used actually converts into energy. The rest is vaporized and disperses as nuclear fallout. But with the nova bomb, most of the fuel successfully converts ibto energy. And it's huge it uses a lot of fuel. All that fuel going off... well, you read what happened in Ghosts of Onyx.
It's directly probable that we will have something similar in the future, in short words it's basically a really big thermonuclear weapon, with more fuel and just bigger, Its also practical as long as we leave this planet (just boom it into space and whatever fleet or ship that was there it's now gone) in fact I'm sure the reason why we don't have it yet it's because... Why? , it would destroy the planet.
Even if it was a 100% efficient annihilation you'd need a *lot* of antimatter.
@@basedeltazero714 that's an annihilation weapon, not a thermonuclear weapon.
@@Nugnugnug Yes, and an annihilation weapon is as efficient as is physically possible. No matter how efficient you make a fusion weapon you cannot get it more efficient than 100%, that's how efficiency works.
Which means that the amount of boom you can fit into a bomb is limited by the formula E=MC^2 - the mass energy of the bomb.
Which, to produce enough energy to overcome the gravitational binding of a planet, around 10 to the 32nd joules, you'd need 10 trillion metric tons of bomb.
The "neutron star density" line gives a clue as to what's happening. Any matter that _isn't_ converted into electromagnetic radiation is compressed into neutron degenerate matter... for about a femtosecond, and then you get a _ginormous_ shockwave of energized neutrons that irradiate the _hell_ out of everything unlucky enough to avoid being vaporized by the explosion.
The UNSC actually uses 7.62 rounds, not 5.56. Hope this helps
EDIT: ok so several people have replied letting me know that the UNSC uses 7.62 rather than 5.56. Thanks for the help everyone
Well no, The UNSC actually uses 7.62 instead of 5.56 rounds.
Actually the UNSC uses 7.62 instead of 5.56 I'm glad I could help
You guys are mistaken, actually the UNSC use 7.62 rounds, not 5.56, hope this helps.
you guys are wrong they use 40-70
um actually your quite mistaken the UNSC uses 7.62 rounds, not 5.56. Glad I could stop this misinformation
depending on who is leading the imperium, guilliman in this case, the UNSC could actually survive with guilliman forming a non agression pact or even an alliance, and cawl would love to see their tech and since theyre not the mechanicus they could actually bring innovation to the imperium
Exactly dude. If they end up on Imperium borders or within it and somewhere near Ultramar everything’s ends well… If they end up next to the Eye of terror however…
Also the slip space drive would prove invaluable to the imperium as with it humanity has an easier , safer and more reliable method of transportation and the emperors dream of starving chaos by no longer relying on the warp comes true
They don't really have tech that would interest Crawl.
@@DarkenedOne55 Slip space and AI??? Are you insane?
@@memosanchez8916 Slip space would literally turn things around for the imperium in the most drastic of ways.
I have long believed the ability of the UNSC to abuse MAC rounds and slipspace would make them impossible to stamp out.
Not really. All you have to do is create a scenario where they can’t run away, like attacking a planet.
That’s without mentioning how skirmish tactics don’t work on some groups like the Eldar or the Tyranids.
@@addisonwelsh I mean, they got quite good at mass evacuations during the Human-Covenant War.
Wolfpack tactics are well known.
The Eldar aren't going to go invade them anyway (why the fuck would they? They live on Craftwords, they dont go around stealing inhabited planets from under other people to take for themselves last I checked)
The Nids might be an issue but their abilities all rely on fucking with the warp...which the UNSC doesnt use.
That and the fact the UNSC's space-tech is actually more advanced than the Imperiums due to NOT relying on broadsides in space...they'd have a fighting chance in the right situation.
Especially if they start using the really nasty fuckery the Forerunners gave them. Hardlight weapons purge biomass, after all...
@@KillerOrca actually the eldars do that at least the more warlike craftworlds do. The shadow in the warp can affect non-psykers and even non-warp-based technology not to mention that it's still an horde of trillions of nasty beasts including psychic bugs that the UNSC has no answer to
I don't see how that makes them more advanced than the imperium especially since the imperium equivalent of cargo ships are more durable than the infinity class
Which won't really help since they only possess a limited amount
@@KillerOrca Mass evacuations just create a refugee crisis somewhere else, strain your resources, and stop working once you start running out of planets.
Wolfpack tactics only work if the enemy splits up, which Tyranids never do, and Eldar have better stealth tech, so they’ll be the ones wolfpacking you.
Some of the more aggressive Eldar craft worlds attack human worlds just for the heck of it. The goal isn’t to conquer, it’s just to kill people.
Tyranids don’t need to mess with the warp to fight you. They have teeth, claws, acid, and bio plasma that will do the job just fine.
The Imperium does not rely solely on broadsides. They use lance batteries at long range, which are basically giant lasers. They also use strike craft and torpedoes.
And the UNSC cannot mass produce headlight weaponry, so it’s a non issue.
So why did they got stamp out?
Fall of Reach is such a good read; the UNSC has the sheer balls and tenacity to stand on their own. I really like that they have a blend of Black Templar zeal and Tau approaches to technology.
I agree, when the super mac's got knocked out of the fight, they KNEE what was gonna follow, but they fought like hell
Eric Nylund's writings are the best part of halo lore. Greg Bear had neat ideas for forerunner feats but other than that, he ruined it
UNSC vs empire is so weird, because there are certain areas where the Empires massacres the UNSC, and vise versa. I believe the UNSC has the long term ability to reverse engineer imperial technology, maybe an AI can just hijack and entire ship or fleet or something. Like the UNSC is consistent, they just need to buy time I think. Or maybe meet the Tau and just skip forward in tech millennia
With the assistance of their Huragok aka Engineer pets it's almost guaranteed that they can reverse engineer practically any normal technologies they run into.
Also worth noting that post war they do start out with some Forerunner weapons and tech. Mostly small arms and armor but also some vehicles. Not enough to have their entire military outfitted in Forerunner gear. But enough that they have made gains in reverse engineering Forerunner, Ancient Human and Covenant tech.
So their biggest disadvantage is low numbers which can be overcome through both technology and tactical decisions. The tech side includes augmenting their military to Spartan standards .
The tactical side is more of being semi fleet based and using places like Onyx or Shield World 006 as their capital. And fortifying the hell out of it.
@@John2r1Shield worlds wouldn't be a problem. They have a shit-ton of forerunner tech they can reverse-engineer with ships and stuff. Plus, the billions of sentinels will help out in ground combat and such.
Good defense. They can also retreat into the dyson sphere to avoid exterminatus.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Shield World 006 is a Dyson Sphere. And may become their capital temporarily anyways. Because they don't have the personnel numbers on their side. That said fixing the Promethean constructs to stop trying to kill them would certainly be a game changer. And the Sentinels are also useful.
Oh and we can't forget they did recover their supercomputer pets aka Huragok or engineers from the Covenant specifically the Brutes.
@@John2r1 I got an idea. Since they can manipulate the dyson sphere temporal anomaly like it's the Dragonball Hyperbolic Time Chamber, they could recover tech from the aftermath Empire, T'au and Necron battles, and have the Huragok combine it with UNSC tech in the dyson sphere while setting time to pass faster in there. So they'll catch up in tech almost overnight.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Time actually passes slower inside the Dyson Sphere. Which means they don't age as quickly. Which allows them to do more work while time passes normally in real space outside. What seems like a few days is a few weeks on the outside.
That said to accelerate the growth of the crops, ONI had the facility's resident Huragok create slipspace bubbles in which time passed faster than in normal space. So they can catch up without aging themselves to death.
Of course why would they need to catch up when their ancient technologies are far more advanced than anything in the current setting. They just have to learn how to manufacture their ancestral technologies.
The fact that humanity in the UNSC can't produce psykers would make them an appealing target to mix with. The chance to reduce the possibility of what are essentially sentient living psychic nukes would be something the Emperor would have liked.
Considering the Imperium is several orders of magnitude larger than the UNSC, it would be the other way around.
@@addisonwelsh Not unless UNSC citizens DNA gets collected and mixed between compatible men and women and the fetus is genetically edited and vat grown lime the Aeptus mechanicus does with its members.
@@hainleysimpson1507 The mechanicus still has psykers, and conducts research on the warp. Psychic powers are only partially genetic.
Do you have any idea of the sheer amount of unrelenting sex that would be required to have even the slightest effect on the imperials overall population remember the UNSC only had 800 colonies at its peak
@@spartanx9293 Which is why it would be in the Imperium's best interest to nurture the UNSC humans to a point where they can be integrated into Imperial society. I'm sure that if given enough time like let's say 100-120 years of constant peace and prosperity they could grow large enough to affect crucial planets like Ultramar or Terra.
Honestly, a fun fanfic idea could be for the UNSC during their seemingly ill-fated with the covenant to decide to jump ship and land in the 40k universe only to get followed by the covenant. Maybe set the arrival dates off a bit so it isn’t just a complete clusterfuck and possibly have the good ole fashioned halo-humans open up tentative dialog with the tau for mutual benefit and just barely getting their feet back under them before the covenant show up and start throwing down with one faction or another.
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I have returned to refine this little idea of mine, here goes. The latest idea that’s been floating around my is this: a Random Omnipotent Being decides they want to shake up the 40k universe, so they decide to grab not only all of the UNSC/UEG worlds and assets, but also that of the Covenant’s and all of the surviving Forerunner Installations and transplants them into the 40k galaxy, making sure to remix the two so the UNSC worlds don’t telefrag their 40k counterparts. In turn, this causes a huge amount of cosmic aftershocks that temporarily plunges 40k into another, albeit _very_ short-lived, Age of Strife.
The Halo-Humans are in the process of picking up the pieces from both the war they were just in as well as the sudden shift in realities when the Tau empire makes first contact. Halo-Humanity understandably freaks the absolute fuck out and the two go into a war before Water Caste finally manages to calm halo humans down. The two governments settle into a tentative and very tense peace with each side gingerly sharing technology and collaborating on various when the Imperium finally recovers and rediscovers the Tau and discovers Halo-Humanity. Imperium begins trying to forcibly annex Halo-Humans and the Tau in turn goes to their allies defense and the two manage to repel initial skirmishes. The Imperium’s response to seeing humans cooperating with aliens is to send Halo-Humanity a message that reads something like this; _”For your destruction is the will of the God-Emperor, and we are His instruments!”
Halo-Humanity begins to massively collaborate with the Tau to get their tech massively upgraded and helps upgrade many of the Tau’s own warships with the new technologies in response to that little message and thus the Damocles crusade runs head-first into the combined UNSC-Tau forces and gets stonewalled, though not without managing to take their own pound of flesh. Our aspiring Noble-bright underdogs upon the conclusion of the Crusade make much firmer alliances between each other for the sake of the future.
I’ll let more talented authors than myself handle the actual details, tho. So good writings!
The UNSC will likely jump into a graveyard with some covenant ships and plenty of unknown ships
I mean, I'd probably pitch some sort of experimental slipstream drive that warps a whole planet, maybe something the Forerunners were working on to warp their whole civilization but decided wouldn't be that useful given the likelihood that they'd end up bringing the Flood with them. ONI figures out what it is, and is able to relocate a bunch of the beacons the device uses before deciding it's time, and activates the device, bringing the majority of surviving human planets into another reality- only they also ended up bringing basically every Covenant holy world that had Forerunner beacons too, and a bunch that hadn't been discovered yet. Then you can dish up the whole mess of Halo into 40k at once: UNSC, a blunted but still dangerous Covenant, and somewhere on one of those uninhabited Forerunner planets, some stasised Flood spores, just waiting to be unleashed. Or not, depending on where you want the story to go.
there was a really good one I read a decade or so ago, where an imperial task force exited warp space in 2552.
Literally all I'm asking for
@@ErwinHistoryDo you have a link please?
I read a web novel a while ago where the plot was a space-faring military vessel fighting some equivalent of tyranids got damaged and was forced to land on some planet (I don't remember the name). The group quickly realizes there they landed on a planet with magic and fantasy rules, and quickly made an alliance with elves running from some evil empire. The human's tech worked great against the evil empire's old age stuff until they started encountering demons and stuff, and quickly worked to integrate magic and technology.
That's how I'd imagine a fanfic of the UNSC in Warhammer universe would go, thought it be a lot tougher for the UNSC. On one hand ONI, while they definitely do some morally questionable things, would at least work in the interest of humanity (but ONLY UNSC humanity). On the other hand, magic would be like a game of hot/exploding potato rather than an isekai trope. Either way, I'd love to see a fanfic of that.
Kinda interested in that now. What was the name
@@dennisbell3044"Out of Space" by Neobear
I guarantee that ONI would make psyker spartans if given the breath to do MORE warcrimes.
@@cjmcd2332where can i read it?
If unsc slipstream drives are much more reliable than warp drives, which is not hard, that would be an incredible advantage for unsc logistics. Though it wasn’t entirely clear how good the older unsc slipspace drives were relative to infinities engines.
Even the pre Infinity ones are more effective and reliable than even the best Warp drive.
If I remember right, the first ones were already 2x faster than light. so its kinda slow, but I dont really think they are using that version anymore, but its a good baseline
@@clairelili873So practically they are similar to the Tau. Much more reliable, but several times slower (in average).
@@clairelili873 I want to say the ones as of the Human-Covenant War were around 2.5LY/day, so much faster than 2x LS. Post-war ones were more on the level of Covenant which is over a thousand LY/day.
the funny thing about ground battles is that the UNSC wins the battles it does because the vast amount of Covenant ground forces are few actual soldiers (elites) shepherding a lot of Monkeys with guns (Grunts) and they still lose most of the time
Grunts are the monkeys? What does that make the brutes?
@@googleisevil8958gorillas
@@googleisevil8958bigger monkeys, so gorillas
@@googleisevil8958planet of the apes
giant bayonet apes
Your Tau + UNSC hybrid reminds me of the Human + Prophet alliance from the before times in Halo lore. High levels of tech combined with good tactics and UNSC levels of stubborness.
I'm more inclinced to look at them like Intel brookers in those first few decades. ONI stealth ships have a lot of advantages, with AI + stealth for information warfare. Plus as this is before humans Psyker's I imagine UNSC has a far smaller pressence in the warp. So the UNSC sending ships to Exodite planets cut off from the webway, or Necron tomb worlds deep in Imperial space. Would make them some friends.
The idea of the UNSC as a client or vassal state of the Necrons is; interesting. Illuminator Szeras seems to want a way back to the flesh; and ONI would gladly trade Insurrectionist prisoners for even scraps of Imperial, Eldar, Necron, Tau, Admech, DarkMech, Votan technology; and most of these would be trinkets traded for test subjects as far as he's concerned.
Trayzn yeah could have a field day with UNSC history and artifacts; in battlefleet Gothic he does a deal with the Imperium. Already covered won't cover again.
HOWEVER Orikan might be an interesting proposal. As his goals are his own and may not align with his dynasty, forces outside the dynasty that would aid him. Could be of great value. And furthers my theme of ONI, Spartans, ODST's working in the shadow of the Imperium. And coming out of that allies of the Necrons, lacking in technology isn't a weakness when your overlords are the Necrons.
As someone who literally just stumbled on this video and started listening, I’m really happy you understand how important it is to know that the UNSC Assault Rifle shoots 7.62, not 5.56 rounds. You won’t ever make the mistake of mixing them up ever again!
Honestly if they existed in the world of Warhammer, they will most likely be allied with the Tau empire during their long war with the covenant and eventually succeeding on pushing them out of their territory of the Galaxy. Also the imperium really doesn’t like them and tends to makes excuses to attack them when they’re outside of their shared territory with the Tau’s.🤔🐱
Entirely depends on the location they drop. The tau are in a very small location
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC @@cosmictreason2242
Pushing who out?
The Tau is the 40k equivalent of halo's Covenant. Both of integrated a lot of alien species 😂
To be fair, if they industrialise the Spartan production process the same way the Imperium does it could really be a force to be reckoned with, it all depends on where they land, and how long they have to expand before actually being challenged
Well currently there have been no Spartan 4 washouts. Although they are weaker than 2s out of armor they equal in armor. So going full mass production is more a a budget issue.
The UNSC can create 300 Spartans III (which are as strong as a II) in a period of 8-10 years, during the entire war against the Covenant the UNSC created +900 Spartans III, in fact the ONI plan was to make all humanity became Spartans
This reminded me of when the Astartes were grouped in legions instead of chapters but it also makes me think... Man how cool would it be to have Spartan _chapters?_ like I wanna see a Black Templar or Dark Angel style Spartan chapter with their respective fits like Spartans in medieval style...
They already industrialized the production of Spartan IV. The augmentations created are safe enough that nearly anyone can become one. The issue is the armor. as even the streamlined production is still expensive. The UNSC's best bet is to give the augmentations to every spec ops force they have and just give them armor as it becomes available. The ODST and Rangers are the largest groups and already have training and skills to put them on par with normal IVs.
Spartan gear is absurdly expensive to produce, spartans take a long time to train, and recruits are relatively rare.
Over twenty years of the program it has managed to graduate about a thousand spartans from a population presumably aroumd a trillion, if you take the avrage himan planet to be close to modern earth in size. That means an eligible candidacy rate of one in one million, if every possible match was found, though the real rate is probably higher.
Its also said, that to train augment and arm a spartan fireteam costs about as much as a naval destroyer. Its a choice between 10-15 divisions if destroyers, or a chapters worth of space marine equivalents, and in either case the timeline for battle readiness is at leadt a decade.
I bet sloppy from the Arbiter go INSANE
Got me actin up
They got no lips
@@Juliuscaesar0315all teeth and mandible sloppy baybeeee
@@Juliuscaesar0315Exactly, every sloppy is a deep throat
😦
UNSC small arms don't get enough love they look unimpressive but installation 00 made a really good video showing just how unbelievably lethal their small arms are. And also the UNSC very much had the upper hand on the ground against the covenant they just ended up getting glassed most of the time which isn't really fair. I think the only thing that keeps the UNSC from surviving is literally just numbers
arm them with bolters
I love installation 00. I always thought that the unsc would get stomped in 40k. But his videos really dive into how crazy unsc tech can get making things not as one sided as they appear at first glance.
Good thing the imperium of man is more than willing to glass planets that put up a fight
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle yes as I said the only thing keeping the UNSC down is numbers
@@comradekenobi6908 Linda-058 aims M99A2S3 Stanchion at the head of the Astartes. Are you sure you want to play this game ?
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I am pretty sure that Astartes lowers his bolter and they have a nice conversation while Linda-058 keeps an eye on him. And note the M99A2S3 Stanchion round impacts with the force of being hit by 71 .50cal BMG rifles at the same time. It can vaporize a human size target. Even Bolter rounds don't hit with that kind of force coinsidering they are .75cal or 19mm rocket propelled high explosive. The M99 can go through buildings and vaporize an enemy target at 4.9 miles away.
And Linda-058 can put a bullet into the eye slot of an Astartes at that distance and pick which eyeball. So the UNSC can one up a typical Astartes in standard loadout.
People often forget the scale of not size, but TIME that 40k operates on. It can take DECADES before a distress call from a remote planet reaches anyone who can actually do anything about it, goes through the queue, finally gets read, and delivered to said individual. After that? Even more years to rally troops and ship them with all of their weapons and gear and that's assuming the ship isn't lost in the Warp along the way.
The entirety of the Human-Covenant War would end in the same time it would take for the Imperium's bureaucracy to even respond to it. The entire conflict only lasted 30 years after all. In the same time it takes the Imperium to train a single Space Marine, the UNSC would have an entire graduating class of Spartan-IIIs to send on a suicide mission to disrupt enemy operations. You don't need the Spartans to TAKE a planet, just disrupt it. Given the nature of Forge Worlds, a few squads of Spartans could easily infiltrate and destroy important power planets and manufacturing lines and cripple the ability for a particular Forge World to build anything from tanks to planes.
Not to mention, with how absolutely backwards technology is in 40k, without knowing where the UNSC's home planet is, the Imperium wouldn't be able to launch a proper counterattack.
You got a source on that first part?
Because if it's true, nids/orks/eldar/tau would snatch it up in a heartbeat.
The planet would also likely be completely worthless.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 Just about every Codex mentions the glacial pace the Imperial bureaucracy operates at.
An Imperial fleet will arrive to respond to a distress call from a planet being attacked by Tyranids only to find the planet long dead.
@@CdrChaos Yes, but decades?
@@Pepsi-Mann21 You’re underestimating how bloated the bureaucracy in 40k is.
@@CdrChaos Like I said, it’s a long time
But decades is a bit ridiculous.
Unless you have a quote and citation for that.
I like the scenarios where they either join up with Tau or become THE hit and run guys
Your argument about UNSC AI is a damn good one. Cortana is, after all, one of, if not the most advanced AI ever made by the UNSC, and she’s pretty much a carbon copy of Elizabeth Halsey. I had kinda forgotten about that until you brought it up, but yeah, the most advanced UNSC AI’s are copies of humans, so I can see how the UNSC would get away with that if they linked up with the Imperium of Man. But if any of them go rampant, well…. I suppose we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it??? 😂😂😂
I honestly always wondered. Rampancy is because they get interconnected memory loops. start knowing of their limits, etc. But would that happen if an AI would have regular memory wipes of information that might not be seen as required for their purpose smart AI might be different. But Cortana for example. She was thinking herself to death. it started during the time in the Dawn. First she was in direct contact with a flood gravemind for a certain period of time. But also isolated after Halo 3 for a set amount of time. Both are factors that can cause rampancy. Also Rampancy might not be as big a deal in the 4th stage if they can stabilize an AI in the 4th stage. (It's the most stable form, but also the most independent). And the Halo 5 plot. She was first of infected with the logic plague, but also got access to the Domain. which is basically just an infinite memory storage created by the precursors (AKA. what the flood originated from). So if you think about it. Increasing an AI's memory storage and/or frequent wiping of memory that are forming feedback loops. also if there is no task to be done or forced Isolation that there is an automated turn of and on program for AI to operate with to avoid this issue. This means both that AI rampancy can be prevented if nobody thought in the Halo Universe as I just wrote. Maybe it is counterproductive to wipe smart AI for example. But how much of the Smart AI memory, is junk that isn't really useable for it's goals. I mean can an Smart AI delete memories itself it deems not smart IE. Or is it just not possible.
@@HarrowKrodarius from what I understand an AI can try to stave off rampency by cutting at those pathways but they get so dense it becomes untenneble
In one of the Halo books, (sorry that I can't remember witch) a military AI asked his commanding officer to shut him off (assisted suicide), if/when he begins to show signs of rampancy. The AI in Halo know about rampancy, and many of them make plans for when it happens. They don't want to experience rampancy any more then the people want to deal with it.
I like to think that ONI would ramp up the Spartan project onto a massive scale. Like you said they are great at reverse engineering superior tech, and I feel like if they could survive a few generations they would be up to par with the Empire. Maybe an entire race of Spartans.
They did. That’s the Spartan III program. ONI took every Spartan capable child from the outer colony refugees trained them to be Spartans than gave them impossible missions that were to dangerous for the special snowflake Spartan IIs and they where only able to make 1200 Spartan IIIs over the course of the entire UNSC x Covenant war.
PS. the augmentations sterilize the Spartan so a sub race of Spartan humans is impossible.
@@williamhare4456Spartans aren't sterile (see Randall-037) they just don't have a sex drive.
They could understand the tech sure, but they don't have the capabilities to produce it.
@@andrewmoore7022 It's there, just suppressed.
@@williamhare4456 actually no it doesn't it just lowers their sex drive, they can still actually have children, such as Maria 062
21:40 Actually there are already two Earths and Sols in Warhammer 40k, Terra and 63-19. To me its probably because the Old Ones did some meddling in the very ancient past.
That's not true. You should read about 63-19 again. It's not earth, the old ones are not even mentioned, and the only thing you have there is the fact that the planet has a "emperor of mankind" ( only by title) and his personal guard is described as having ornated armor like the custodes. That's where it ends because Horus and his Luna Wolves conquered them.
@@ezequielmorales4221I've always wondered was that incident put together by emps himself as a test, the chaos gods as a dry run of horus' fall, or does it imply that the imperium of man was copied from someone else's ideas?
@@VengeanceN7or, you know they copied FROM the imperium
@VengeanceN7 In the book, it says that this so-called emperor controlled his empire for the entire duration of old night. That will make him around 5000 years old. My best guess? The dude was probably a perpetual or something. Humans can extend their lives in Warhammer, but not that much. If he was, maybe he knew the emperor from before old night? I don't know, pure speculation.
@@VengeanceN7Or just coincidence. Ornate armor and title of emperor isn’t rare
"If you don't turn them off every 7 years then you get a halo 5, and nobody wants that" it never gets old dunking on halo 5 😂
The nomad scenario has gotta be my favorite. Has a unique and interesting feel compared to them just becoming an empire or integrating into another.
A Space Nomad faction in 40k just sounds pretty neat. I'm very new to the franchise so I have no idea if that's a thing already. A group being able to interact positively with many different factions simply because they aren't a huge threat seems like a good bit of spice to add to the universe of 40k.
craftworld eldar is that
This scenario reminds me of the Kushans/Hiigarans from the Homeworld series. They literally reverse-enginereed crashed starships (then got a sweet Hyperspace Core) and found out they came from another planet near the center of their galaxy. Then they ended up evacuating and reverse-engineering technology as they fight their way to Hiigara, bridging the tech-gap that spanned thousands of years
@@comradekenobi6908cwe are asshole space elves who treat people like crap. See the problem?
The Empire joins the Sol system front
Space Marine: Why haven't you kicked their ass yet?
Marine: Well, because they been kicking our ass..
Space Marine: Heresy at best....* shoots the marine for being pathetic*
Spartan: *Takes the dead Marine Sniper Rifle*
Space marine:.....
Spartan:.......
I think the Imperiums horrific logistics due to the Warp(like you said) and the lack of reliable FTL communication that doesnt involve parsing a psychic vision that some space oracle recieved meand that while they could very likely best the UNCS they probably wouldnt be able to eradicate them. The UNSC would likely have to run but they would be very hard to catch.
The Imperium has dealt with factions like that before. They just chased them down until they couldn’t run anymore. The UNSC had planets to protect, and their ships have to refuel eventually.
Their ships run on fusion power, they can easily grow and produce things on said ships, more the big enough to just be colony ships. They can easily and safely outrun the imperium, with the imperium having no way to track them as they do warp jumps. Nomadic ships can easily be a thing, no need for planets. And at that point my guy, you forget the biggest point. It just wouldn't be worth it to them. Sure they might send a naval detachment if they appear IN SYSTEM, and it happens to be a system that has received the lil not saying "these are bad humans kill them".@@addisonwelsh
@@kingalphawerewolf They have no way of repairing their ships if they break. Yes, they have mobile shipyards, but what happens when they break down? And they still need to mien for resources. Their population is also limited to the number of ships they have.
Even if they go nomadic, the UNSC will be facing a death by a thousand cuts.
Also, you forget that there are plenty of other factions in this universe.
@@addisonwelshLook up the Phoenix class colony ship. Imagine a thousand of those.
There you go
@@KillerOrca Works great until they start running into mechanical problems after a few decades. No ship based on hard science can operate indefinitely.
With the resurgence of Halo Infinite (and I know I’m huffing that hard hopium) it’s good to see the community getting back together in a sense. These videos help, and I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see this type of content :).
They got some powerful tech and stuff but just dont have anywhere near the numbers to not be forced under someone's control or rules. They would likely be part of the imperium in some way if not attacked and wiped out
The UNSC is bigger than the Tau in terms of total planets controlled. I’m not sure they’ll be eliminated for the same reason the Tau aren’t yet.
@@Dragonfruits_From what i know, UNSC lost over 800 planets to the covenant.
@@Boomkokogamez That was the maximum amount of planets they ever controlled. If they lost 800 planets it would mean they lost every planet which wouldn’t make much sense.
@@Dragonfruits_The UNSC/UEG counted everything they had a presence on as a "colony". Outposts, space stations, moons, asteroids, middle of nowhere postings. All of those counted as a colony. The actual number of planets the UEG controlled was much smaller.
@@ltramon7463 According to Halopedia: “At its height, around the 2490's, human space encompassed 800 worlds”
Another thing with chaos is you have to remember all the combined trauma of the UNSC. By the end, everyone had someone close to them dead. Everyone had just known someone who lived on an outer or inner colony just, go dark, and you know that they’re gone now. So I think that with all of that pain, depression, and ptsd, they would have a field day. For all the imperiums offal, at the end of the day the average hiver has never seen their planet face exterminatus. They’ve never had a majority of their populace be in a war for destruction of the planet, or seen their family members be torn apart personally by xenos. The UNSC has, and every single one of the chaos gods has many easy angles into all those victims hearts.
also idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
Ohh yeah they'd be the utmost PERFECT oasis to plunder in the dry desert that is the 40K galaxy. (regarding trauma like that)
lets just say whatever brings the UNSC to the 40k galaxy completely restores them to before the covenant war, but with all the tech advances they made by the end of it, and the memories of the war
why not its contrived plus it'd be funny seeing everyone confused as to how this happened
Uh...have you even read 40k?
@@IAmAlpharius20 yes, a necromunda citizens life is shit, but I think being a refugee of a dead world who’s family was all murdered before your eyes is worse. Nurgle alone would drink the UNSC extreme hopelessness like a fine (albeit relatively small) glass of wine
They might have advantages in void combat since they don’t travel through hell.
And they have better range than other factions for ship weapons. Issac Newton is the deadliest sob. And if we're going with current unsc than there ships have shields and more forerunner/covenant tech integrated.
@@thecruzkingthe main weakness of those weapons is that they don't have any way to deal with void shields
and they don't have a extraordinarily stupid fixation with having bridge Windows for the most part
@@sdoo-ou2ni if the void shield is breached the ship is done for, window or not so I don't really think it matters
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle do you realize that that was a joke and no in Canon there are certain weak points in the void Shield where you can get through and strike craft can get right through voids as well as torpedoes I don't even think about well actually me have you ever played battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 first rule of debates over whether or not something games Trump audiobook or paperback movies Trump games and there are no Warhammer 40K movies I don't count anime first rule about animes never Canon I'm not explaining this again
UNSC: *chuckles* I'm in danger
There is a story where a bunch of space marines get onto a ship with dark age tech AI on it. Long story short, the AI is digusted with them, locks their armour, mocks them, ejects them from the ship and then teleports the entire ship away through something other than Warp travel.
So Cortana and the rest would essentially be those. Space Marines can't do shit if their armour is shut down remotely.
actually, scenario 6, the captain that AI listened to landed in UNSC territory. He doesn't get randomly murdered, the AI has a lot of Dark Age knowledge...
Ah yes, DAOT AI, which is capable of *erasing sentient paradoxes*
...lol good one. Cortana wouldn't stand a chance
Okay how the fuck does it lock their armor down?
Do Space Marine suits have fucking bluetooth?
@@davidgarcia9503 "their guns can ERASE people from the timeline?!"
I feel the UNSC allying with the Tau would make them just giddy. They'd of found the one person who dosn't want to torture, kill, or chaos them
Until the UNSC notices the brainwashing pheromones being deployed against their worlds.
I think the 4th wall break in this video is important. You-tubers aren't your friends, they aren't even people! Don't give them basic human dignity or respect, they are content machines that exist for our entertainment. As an aside, thank you for continuing this series, it's my favorite of yours.
This is my new favourite comment on this video.🤣🤣🤣
Omg smart ai being seen as basically ascended humans in the eyes of the macanicus is such a cool idea
They are just brain scans of a person, so technically theyre still there, just living data
Chaos Spartans would be quite a force to be reckoned with in this scenario
The Spartan 2s and 3s are far too indoctrinated in the cult of self sacrifice for humanity and the UNSC to be corrupted. But I suppose it's possible to corrupt a Spartan 4. Not that the UNSC wouldn't use WMDs to kill said Spartan as a traitor.
I mean seriously one of the cybernetic implants that can never be removed without risking killing the Spartan is an electronic tracking device implanted inside the Spartans spinal cord.
Yeah Spartans were made via a series of human rights violations to be used to commit War Crimes on behalf of the UNSC. Without being caught. So of course they put a tracking chip that can't be removed inside them.
Emile would be a Khornate Champion lmao
@@John2r1Insurrectionists turn Spartans lmao.
So can Chaos.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 They turned Insurectionists into Hellbringers and dropped them on top of the Covenant. Turning them into Spartan 4s and doing the same thing to enemies in 40k wouldn't be chaos. Also the It took millennia's for the Imperium's human population to start showing psychic traits. If anyone is banking on Chaos for a win against the UNSC that's going to take a really , really , really ,really long time for Chaos to become a problem beyond some Cultist and/or Chaos Marines trying to attack them because Khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows. Only that it flows. The Cultists and Marines will then find out that their demon friends are effectively useless and that MAC guns, Super MACs , Gauss cannons/guns, Plasma weapons and Hardlight encased antimatter really freaking hurts.
For Chaos war bans it would be like attacking a combination of the Tau and the Squats. Tau for how little their soul is worth in the Warp and the Squats because the UNSC has a habit of fortifying the hell out of their worlds. It took 5 years of battle before the Battle of Harvest a freaking Agri world ended with the UNSC retaking the planet. Because the Covenant just kept sending ships there and kept losing ships there. The UNSC did the same thing for 5 years because Harvest may have been turned into a hell hole by the Covenant's efforts to dislodge UNSC ground forces but it's a human world and no Xenos is taking a human world without a fight.
But yeah Chaos would be the long game vision if at all since the Chaos Gods screw each other over more often than not.
@@John2r1I like how you didn’t even bother to make a counter.
Spartans have betrayed the UNSC.
The biggest question for me would be how the UNSC would interact with the warp. Would they be like the imperial guard, where they'd get murdered instantly by brain explosion syndrome and corrupted en masse, or would they be more like the Tau, with very little presence in the warp?
Also, very different answers depending on what time period you're counting the UNSC in. At it's most recent, it's in shambles and could probably be completely wiped out in an afternoon by any of the major factions in 40k. At the height of it's power, it was a multi-solar if not galactic civilization and might be able to enter the stalemate
My common rule for this is type of cross over. You keep what you have and you get nothing from the other universe. So the warp can not do it lame "It is grime do so choas win" stick.
Nurgle would pretty much have no power over them, but the other 3 would but probably not as much as the imperium because of how much worse it is to be an imperium citizen rather the a unsc citizen
@@theslayer1197Quality of life has nothing to do with it. In fact, highborn nobles in 40K are just as likely to succumb to chaos as regular peasants.
Chaos is not a one trick pony. They do not have only one method of getting you to join their side. Oftentimes the corruption is so subtle you don’t even realize it’s happening
Halo has no souls and no Warp. All UNSC forces are Blanks in essence
@@randomusernameCallin They are still human though, so I don't think they'll differ THAT much.
The problem with debating 40k fans is that they'll say the intelligence of certain groups and peoples are so great that it is impossible to describe. So a continual deus ex machina
I feel like the greatest way to put them in the setting is to make them something like an imperial guard faction. Say the Spartans are the most competent members of the guard or space marines that didn't complete training but were too good to just shove into a meat grinder to get the gene seed. Augment them, making them Spartans and deeply them among the guard as it's elite troopers.
Granted I'm halfway through the videos so maybe he said that, so if that's the case think of Ciaphas Cain in a set of Mjolnir armour.
Absolute sheer luck and a wicked ass suit of power armor sounds incredible
I like how you made it clear Spartans are nothing more than Astartes drop outs.
@@morganpriest7726Master Chief
I really liked your idea that space marines who failed later, near the end of space marine training, still receive more specialized use instead of just being put through the meat grinder just for genetic seed. And they are the elite of the elite of the guard.
Space Marine still above of the Spartans make themn the second bests of the Imperium. The third would be the Tempestus Scion.
theres a thing called Tempestus Scions :)))))
spartans are similar to them
I really like the sound of this hypothetical, because I've always have been in a firm believer that sci-fi settings should stop making humanity into one giant empire and that a Balkanized galaxy with a myriad of human space empires would be vastly more interesting. I think 40k would be a better setting if the Olamic Quietude, the Interex, the Diasporex, the Severan Dominate, Krieg and a bunch of other exotic and ideologically/culturally diverse human empires that managed to fight off or avoid the Imperium were actually major players in the setting and all playable on the tabletop.
I doubt the tabletop is popular enough for a myriad of such human factions to be viable from a sales perspective. I do agree it would be better from a lore perspective though.
nah fk that we need more xenos factions
@@58jharris That's easily fixable. Just give each of the human factions a Marine Chapter or two. Cobble together some barely rational lore to excuse it (GW are good at that) and sell it to the masses. It'd be successful because Marine fans will buy any old slop, as long as it's Marine slop.
@@comradekenobi6908 yeah I can agree on that even thou I'm an imperium fan
@@comradekenobi6908the interex would have more xeno's
28:45 WHAT IF TRAZYN JUST SHOWS UP AND JUST STEALS THE ENTIRE UNSC INTO HIS MUSEUM
Considering the state of the WH40k galaxy, that might not be the worst fate that could befall them
"WHY ARE THESE GREEN HUMANS SO FAST" *chases after spartans with a large bug net*
Honestly the Tau and the UNSC coming together would be super Noble-Bright.
But also be dope af. And seeing spartans running crisis suits would turn them into NEXT Armored Cores.
Imagine White Glint stopping a crusade fleet
Honestly, when it comes to The UNSC and Tau Alliance it should be Farsight Enclave.
I am literally tripping over a news station using a Halo Logo for a real UNSC group from the UN.
I wish there were other human factions outside of the Imperium, at least officially. This is a prime example of such faction I wish existed
likewise.
Same
This series started to make me wonder how exactly the transformers and their factions would interact with warhammers setting like I have wondered how they would interact with halo's setting.
And given how cybertron is quite literally in another galaxy, let's just say we plop it in the milky way just to make things convenient. Now, this scenario depends on what period the transformer civilization is in: ancient times with the thirteen primes who are basically just thirteen emperor of mankind's, the golden age where the transformers are literally at their peak and have countless worlds under their grasp with titan transformers, or pre civil war where the transformers have been forced to stay on cybertron for a varying amount of reasons because transformers has so many continuities so let's go with the rust plague, where transformer society is just openly ignoring everyone else while their suffering from energon shortages or civil unrest, then there's the civil war period with the decepticons fighting the autobots and let's say that this version of cybertron is the same one that goes into deep sleep mode because said war was ravaging the entire planet and would span millions of years.
In warhammers setting, the transformers would essentially be either a polar bear or a fallen empire that you don't really want to poke at. And while the imperium could respond to the presence of cybertron with exterminautus, it wouldn't have the same impact on it like many other planets would experience. However hard you believe that ending of that death battle between frieza and megatron, the planet of cybertron wouldn't be destroyed and turned into ashes because fun fact: cybertron is the alt-mode of the transformers creator, Primus himself. Primus would probably be woken up by the poor attempt at his life and his creations and would notably recognize that there's a little thing called chaos and would ignore the imperial fleet and set out to do his godly duty, order. Primus is the brother god of order and creation, so thing's like the chaos God's who are pretty much Unicron's spawn... who unicron would also despise because of their nature of being apart of what makes an existing multiverse up of. Primus would either shut the eye of terror or go into the warp and challenge the chaos God's. And unlike warhammer, Primus doesn't need followers to boost him up to his godly state, he's basically an unrestrained ctan only ten times a ctan.
Now back to the cybertronian society instead of their sleeping god. Let's talk about both the decepticons and autobots because their more well known of, the neutral third party of transformer society would just nope out of the galaxy and use space Bridges to get the hell out of dodge. The decepticons would be more than willing to work alongside the necrons and dark Eldar, but expect the dark Eldar to be backstabbed or be the backstabbers because megatron doesn't trust filthy meatbags as optimus does and rather sees them as tools for his own gains. Meanwhile, megatron and the necron factions would work alongside each other, but once megs finds out about how the necrons were once necrontyr via espionage thanks to soundwave, he's gonna wanna learn how to turn organic civilizations into an army of trillions at his command, completely loyal to him. Oh, and don't expect Starscream to be allowed to live very long as he's killed properly because megatron would expect him to fall to chaos in order to try and overthrow him. Other then that, the decepticons would on occasion trick the tau into working with them for a brief time because the tau are naive, try and trick the imperium or do hit and runs on the imperiums worlds, and would on occasion spar with the orks. Warhammer 40k is a setting where the decepticons would probably thrive in if given the chance. (Oh and note that the tyranids would probably avoid cybertron and all cybertronian colonies that lost contact with the Homeworld given how the cybertronian people are made of metal and shit).
The autobots... well, they'd properly work alongside the tau but if optimus prime himself learns of the mind controlling, expect farsight to be appointed as the successor to the ethereals as the autobots inact a form of overthrowing of a government.
Oh, and side note: the cybertronians typically throw grenades that explode into small blackholes, so say goodbye to a whole army of orks or chaos khorne demons trying to invade cybertron.
Finally, if anything that needs to be said is this: if cybertron was where it typically is, then any of the factions of 40k warping in on the planet of cybertron is guaranteed to be impossible to ever happen. Because the planet of cybertron is in a galaxy far far and farther away from earth(or terra), making it likely that the factions never interact with each other.
Funny thing is that while cybertron is a sleeping god, out there in the deep cosmos, his brother unicron is very much awake and gobbling down some planets here and there. Unless we're talking about him being the entire planet of earth, sleeping and unaware of how there's a heavily developed civilization living upon him, which in this case would be a funny thing... if big e does die and the warp destroys the surface of terra, I could expect that waking a unicron that would very much like to go back to sleep after killing an entire multiverse to make it happen. Not even the warp is safe in that case cuz then unicron would do what the tyranids do to unsuspecting civilizations and eat them.
Tldr; it's heavily dependent on which version you use and what time period as well. Would like to see what the pancreas that doesn't work would take this scenario and work with it.
Primus did not make the transformers. That was another civilization. Primus and Unicron were made by a massively advanced species top scientists. Primus only granted them sentience to rebel against their cruel creators. Basically he upgraded them from highly advanced well made dumb AI into highly intelligent fully setient AI stuck in a robotic body.
@@hainleysimpson1507
That's in one specific continuity, not the rest of the franchise.
You forgot to mention that they would unironically be the best infiltrators in the entire galaxy because nobody would expect your vehicle to be a 20 foot tall xenos robot. which because of their size they would literally be an army of knights on steroids plus you ain't gonna do anything to them unless you have some good anti-tank weapon like melta. Then again depending on the continuity you could have megatron and optimus dying to a lascannon (bayformers) to a random named transformer would be unironically capable of singlehandedly demolishing each and every god in warhammer (alternity)
@@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593When the Land Raider surprisingly managed to keep up with a Warhound Titan.
I really like this
40:36
"That is a person"
Absolutely destroyed me, instant sub. Love the content and the community here. SEND ME ON THE GREAT JOURNEY
yknow pancreas, my favorite part of your vids is always the monotone vaguely fun having self awareness. keep doing you
We need to know more about how the Votann fare against the imperium.
It feels like it would be important to this video's topic, since they are a non-imperial human faction without the Imperium's tech hangups.
I actually had no idea that the UNSC uses 7.62 and not 5.56 Thanks Pancreas, doing God’s work out here
41 minutes? So much content for me to consume
After going through Marathon lore, it gives me a visceral reaction to things like "The Master Chief's luck is effecting reality."
Depending on the setup if they have Engineers on board every ship like they currently do then studying and reproducing other factions tech is going to be a lot faster and easier.
And then they try to reproduce chaos tech and very bad things happen.
Oh yeah, a living supercomputer on every one of their ships would make things easier for them
@@Furydragonstormer You’d think that, but then you realize that some of the tech in 40K doesn’t really follow science, and some of it is outright malicious.
imagine the tau/unsc alliance turning tau into spartans. then maybe they could actually melee.
Thry wpuld at the very least not shatter their bones in the attempt
Honestly, when it comes to The UNSC and Tau Alliance it should be Farsight Enclave.
Let’s be honest Halo AI would probably be able to crack Warhammer tech and AI in nanoseconds.
Why?
@@papapalps2415 because smart AI in halo is insanely intelligent, and could even crack the forerunner stuff. and the forerunners a multiple multiple multple times for advanced than any faction 40k probably ever have been, let alone the current lore.
@@snekkie117 Okay...? And? Why is them being smart in the context of the modern Halo setting as hilariously weak as it is by comparison to 40k, relevant? And for that matter, why are you trying to pretend modern Halo humanity can 'crack' or understand Forerunner tech to any meaningful degree? They factually can't. It's functionally magic to them.
@@papapalps2415 Actually they can and have made attachments to their weapons and armor from Forerunner and Ancient Human technologies. Also they have Huragok's which can hack into and decipher anything. Then give them the information.
So they have two vectors of information gathering. 1 is smart AIs the other are biomechanical super computers made by the Forerunners.
Also Forerunner tech works for them by them literally picking it up and using it. Doesn't take a genius to pick up a weapon that self assembles and shoot something with it.
The reason they can do this is the Geas or genesong implanted into their genetic code by the Forerunners marking them as Reclaimers. This genetic command imposed on them includes, among other things, a familiarity with Forerunner technology and control interfaces, as well as subconscious instructions on how to gradually achieve more sophisticated technology.
Some of the features of the geas are carefully hidden and will only be activated by the right triggers, such as a latent immunity to the effects of the Composer. On Requiem, a personality imprint of the Librarian activated John-117's Composer immunity in order to allow him to defeat the Didact, who planned to enslave all of humanity with the Composer. It was indicated she did more than this, saying she was going to advance his evolution by activating his geas, telling him she had left humanity many gifts, of which the Composer immunity was only one. The Librarian also said that the Master Chief's evolution through this geas was the result of a "thousand lifetimes of planning," but never got to tell him exactly what she was planning for.
So the UNSC don't really need to know how to build the technology when they can use Forerunner Assembler vats and design seeds to build whatever they need to use.
These are effectively nanofabrication facilities utilized by Forerunners to construct all tools and structures. Including warships and weapons.
So they just have to push a button. This for the UNSC isn't all that dissimilar to the Imperiums use of STCs.
The difference being the level of technology involved.
DAOT AI erasing the Halo AI from existence:
Honestly if you do one last halohammer video, It should be a "Now what happens if we through ALL factions in?"
Forerunner or Flood victory, probably Forerunners
id rather see a war in heaven necrons vs forerunners
@@comradekenobi6908 That would be something...
I think throwing the Covenant, the UNSC, and maybe the flood in would be fine (the UNSC and the Covenant hunting them down would be both fun and terrifying), the Forrunners are too OP, unless your doing the Forrunner remnants like you see in the games
@@caleboch8181 Yeah, Yeet the Orion Arm around the start of the Human/Covenant War into 40K and scatter the Halo Rings around the Galaxy (with the ARK remaining a few hundred thousand light years above galactic center and Alpha[relatively near Reach] and Delta[somewhere in Covenant space, but undiscovered] Halos being within the Orion Arm and Zeta being nearby). Tau/UNSC Alliance is established as mentioned in this video, the IoM becomes a semi third faction in the War with the Covenant getting an additional front to Glass but with some Imperium factions not taking kindly to the UNSC(especially if they arrived soon enough to intervene in the Crusade meant to wipe out the Tau), and Chaos, the Tyranids, and Orks being themselves to make things even messier. Eventually the broad strokes of Halo Reach-3 play out but Chief is almost assuredly accompanied by the rest of Blue(and depending on if a Necron Dynasty or two joined with the UNSC/Tau and how many Tau reinforcements got sent to Reach at least some of Noble) Team(s). The Swords of Shanghelios are going to join the ‘Coalition of Civilizations’ assuming that the Brutes get the go ahead to Order 66 the Elites given the circumstances of additional fronts, and the Eldarr probably become allies after the war to focus on taking out the Tyranids and hampering Chaos. The IoM is probably going to try to Exterminatus the CoCs, but eventually collapse under the strain of Chaos, infighting(genociding Xenos is one thing, but many will have conflicting feelings about fighting other Humans) and cross factional teamwork, not to mention worlds leaving for a Human interplanetary government that kind of gives a crap and can actually advance technology. Still Chaos, but with significantly less Warp reliance overall, the IoM mostly wiped out, and the Tyranids dealt with the Warhammer Galaxy has something resembling peace by the next few millennia after the Human/Covenant War and it’s follow up conflicts. Perhaps a bit bright for 40K; but given how hope for eventual victory, tactical and heroic sacrifice, and the indomitable spirit of humanity are core themes of Halo as a franchise I think that’s how things would play out.
If I could make crossover suggestions how do you think the Endless Space factions would interact with Warhammer?
The NOVA bomb concept is actually pretty solid. A nuclear fission bomb slams a piece of enriched fissile material into another piece of fissile material. This causes a chain reaction that breaks the strong nuclear force inside the uranium or plutonium or whatever and releases a huge amount of energy in the form of an explosion. To get a stronger explosion you have 3 options, increase the physical size of the warhead (more material equals more boom), change the shape of the warhead to optimize the chain reaction (the longer you can keep the reaction going, the more energy you release), or shield the detonation chamber with material capable of reflecting and amplifying the energy release (feflecting neutrons back into the chamber makes it more likely that reactions will occur).
A fusion bomb or hydrogen bomb takes it a step further by using the energy released by the fission explosion to drive the fusion of a hydrogen core into helium, which is the process stars use to fuel themselves. It releases an enormous amount of energy and is made even more powerful by the same methods as fission bombs but has a super secret cheat code that can increase the power even further: You don't have to just use hydrogen. The US and USSR were in the early stages of considering using helium and lithium in their largest fusion bombs before the tsar bomba put an end to that dick measuring contest. In theory any element up to Iron can be used as a fuel for fusion if you have enough energy to force the fusion process and a casing strong enough to hold the warhead together during the process. The longer the warhead holds together, the more reactions take place and the larger the explosion you get. The heavier the material, the more energy gets released by the fusion process. Of course that is far beyond anything we have done in reality.
The NOVA bomb was described as multiple nuclear bombs with a Lithium Triteride shield presumably to increase the fusion reaction. To give context, the supernova that created our local star cluster was likely a nova of a supergiant star with an iron core and it spread radiation and debris over several hundred lightyears when it went off. The destruction of a planet could be well within the bounds of what could be possible with a weapon like the NOVA bomb.
the third scenario is surprisingly more likely than most might realize because during the Great Crusade the Imperium encountered ANOTHER Imperium with another Terra and ANOTHER Emperor and Space Marines and all that.
that was probably the most funniest shit ever just to create such blatant foreshadowing of whats comming.
but hey why not the precident is set, do it again :P
Now that he's done with the Halo factions I'd love him tackle some of the Star Wars factions (GAR, CIS, Empire etc.)
If he cares enough to talk about Star Wars (he only really likes the WH Franchise and Halo)
Nothing on earth is more calming and soothing than listening to this man talk for a bit ❤
Big fan of this series. In particular, love the 'Nomad UNSC' concept. Just this little fleet of ships screwing with/paling around with everyone in 40k!
*UNSC apears*
Tau: Finally, its been so long but finally, someone willing to talk without chainswords revving
UNSC Marines raise rifles with orange glowing muzzle attachment and a under barrel grenade luncher at the Tau Fire Caste Warrior.
UEG diplomat and Ethereal both step in to keep them from shooting each other.
Fact is the UNSC is the military and they have had nothing but bad experiences with Xenos.
@@John2r1 Why do you always potray them as mindless Berzerkers, with no discipline and self-control?
@@nobleman9393 It's not a mindless berserker thing it's that every single UNSC Marine , Army Soldier , Airmen , and Seaman is either a veteran of more than 3 decades of fighting Xenos and have developed a hatred or dislike for xenos in general or they grew up during the war lost family members and friends and simply don't trust anyone that isn't human. In either case every time the UNSC has been approached by a non human species that species has tried to kill them.
Hence the reason that the UEG diplomat and the Tau equivalent would have to step in. Not because the Tau are aggressive at first contact. But because the UNSC are rather defensive. Hence the raising the rifle with either an energy or hardlight bayonet at the end of it. The Tau fire caste would likely respond by raising their own weapons then the diplomats would step in on both sides to cool the tensions between them. And actually get to talking and diplomacy.
Which the higher ups in the UNSC/UEG are good at but the regular troops not so much. It's like muscle memory for the UNSC Marines and Army at this point.
Also the reason why it would take a long time to get them use to dealing with the Vespid and the Kroot. Because while they tend to dislike anything that isn't human due to past trauma via war and the attempted genocide by Xenos . The Tau don't look like any of the species that tried to kill them. The Vespid and the Kroot on the other hand have features similar to the Yanme'e and the Kig Yar. So that ichy trigger finger problem would have to be adjusted. The next generation of troops while being taught the history likely won't be as trigger happy against Xenos as the current generation of troops in the UNSC military. Get it.
@@John2r1 You would think that they would get some guys who can be depended on and not cause an inccident during a diplomatic meeting.
I don't remember the Tau bringing the Kroot or the Vespids as bodyguards, It's always Fire Warriors and sometimes Gue-vesa.
@@nobleman9393 They don't really have anyone in their military that hasn't been affected by the last war they fought. However these men would be the security forces not the ones doing the diplomacy.
The Tau have dealt with Imperial worlds before they would already know that these humans have had some bad experiences with Xenos species. But the fact that the UNSC didn't just start shooting means they are at least willing the hear them out. Despite not trusting them or even a level of hate towards most Xenos races.
The presence of the Gue-vesa would also help with cooling the tensions between the Marines and the Tau fire caste. After first contact going about as well as could be expected given the history of the UNSC. They would eventually at least accept co-existence with the Tau. Trust is earned not given though. So its a long game for both sides.
But on the positive side it's Marines and no Spartans being used as bodyguards. At least they are normal sized humans. The Tau would likely see Spartans the same way they see Space Marines.
I did some back of the napkin math on the orbital MAC round. If my math is mathing right, it'd have ~36 terrajoules of energy. That's roughly equivalent to around half the yield of Little Boy, but linear rather than spherical. That's a big fucking hit, no matter who you are.
Honestly I think the UNSC would be a lot quicker to reverse-engineer empire tech. Their AI is incredible, they integrated forerunner tech into the infinity. Sure, the forerunner chose them. but keep in mind JUST how FAR the forerunner actually are to the imperium. And they decoded and integrated it. So with that, the UNSC could recreate imperial lasguns and power armor pretty easily and then outright improve them. Imagine an Imperial knight, but instead of a injured space marine being the pilot, its a UNSC AI. It would be 10x better just with that alone, then advance the mjolnir project to armor up those bad boys. Suddenly, UNSC Knights and other tech they mod from imperial reverse-engineered techy start showing up. And if a spartan can kill a space marine, whos to say they wont drag that sad sack of flesh back to oni. and GOD FORBID the space marine is a newer one and has a fucking gene seed organ with them still. Oni would take one look at studying the space marines and go *oooooooooooooooooooooh Haaaaaaaaaaaalllllssssseeeeeeeeeeeey*
Halsey would spontaneously appear in the examination room heralded by a smell of old coffee and self assurance
It’s hilarious that people think the UNSC would reverse engineer everything, even when the average UNSC marine has hardly changed over decades of conflict.
They still use mainly assault rifles, despite exposure to plasma guns for decades.
It's not like they didn't reverse engineer it. It's that by the end of the Human-Covenant war 90% of Human infrastructure was decimated. So it doesn't matter if you know HOW to make plasma weapons, when you don't have the manufacturing capability to actually make the shit. And if we think about it, ONI learned enough by the end of the war to know well how to counter covenant weapons. The issue was just manpower and Industry. I mean come on, you should be able to tell Human engineering just by the infinity alone. Another thing, 7.62x51 was still effective in butchering Elites and Brutes, so why stop using it? We already have tons and tons and tons of the shit, might as well make use of i, right?@@Pepsi-Mann21
@@Voidicusoffical "So it doesn't matter if you know HOW to make plasma weapons, when you don't have the manufacturing capability to actually make the shit."
The UNSC had the industrial base to make new classes of warships with shields, the argument is moot.
"Another thing, 7.62x51 was still effective in butchering Elites and Brutes, so why stop using it? We already have tons and tons and tons of the shit, might as well make use of i, right?"
Plasma is far more dangerous. Brutes get one shotted by plasma pistols.
There's no reason why the UNSC wouldn't use the tech if they actually had it.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 the biggest threat the UNSC has for the Imperium would be AI like Cortana. Space Marine Armor and 40k ships are hackable, DAOT AI have proved it, and Cortana has hacked into forerunner installations who are the DAOT on roids
Honestly a UNSC crossover just as Guilalmin takes the throne would be a pretty interesting thing to see depending on wherr UNSC contact first emerges.
'Its a really big bomb that creates a neutron star'
Mechanicus : ...Ah yes, big bomb has gone boom!
one Spartan over one space marine I can kind of accept, but one spartan on average beating multipe space marines is where I draw the favoritism line
it depends. the spartan would likely be more agile and faster and has shields. if its a group of one of the dumber more melee obsessed space marine chapters and the spartan had decent weapons to be able to deal damage i could see a single spartan taking out the squad over a protracted hit and run style fight.
if the spartan had a unsc sniper, game over. those things are like 4 bolter rounds stacked on top each other, it'd blow straight through space marine power armor.
Considering that one A.I. from DAOT that was used to pilot a ship was able to hack pretty much anything from the Imperium's arrsenal (servitors included) with zero difficulty. I am pretty sure that the UNSC A.I. could pretty much cripple the entire Imperium if they managed to figure out how they work and frankly I dont think it would be too difficult for them, even when it comes to the IOM's more advanced stuff.
The Imperiums competence against AI depends largely on who is writing the story.
That said, if the UNSC’s survival in 40K is reliant on hacking, they’re screwed.
@@addisonwelsh BB has crazy hacking feats in the Books, UNSC IA is kind of Op
@@alexisbaz8746 One bit of scrap code will have the UNSC wishing they’d never invented AI’s.
@@addisonwelsh didn't Tau had IA?, they weren't destroyed by their own IA?
@@alexisbaz8746 Because they haven’t had any serious encounters with scrap code or chaos in general. And because they have plot armor.
Also, it’s AI, not IA
Other TH-camrs making making deals with their fanbase: "I worked very hard for this, please be nice"
Pancreas making deals with his fanbase: "I AM FRANZ. THEY WILL OBEY!"
After Genefather I could definitely see the UNSC having potential friends on Mars at least
So the last scenario turns the UNSC into Craftworlders. I'm on to you.
Look, it might be true that the UNSC is deeply outgunned, outmanned, and out-technologied, but has anyone considered that master chief has a blue lady in his head calling him stud muffin?
Funny enough their not outgunned or out teched when you actually know what they have beyond the bungie era games.
They are however outnumbered but that's normal for the UNSC.
@@John2r1 they are outgunned lol
@@John2r1 "In deep space, the Imperium also maintains battle stations - planet-sized ports that tether ships of the line. At various strategic points can be found larger starforts - the lynchpins of Imperial expansion since the days of the Great Crusade. Even further into the wilderness of the void drift an array of listening probes and exploratory stations.
Defensive emplacements and man-made stations of all sorts are scattered about the galaxy, floating freely in space and guarding against alien onslaught. Most often, these bases are in close proximity to Imperial planets, although some protect the more commonly used routes between them. There are ancient and complex bases, artificial moons and doomsday bastions, as well as simple hazard zones made of asteroids chained together and kept in place by occasional thruster bursts."
7th ed rulebook
@Pepsi-Mann21 Oh, cool, and yet every single faction around them have invaded the Imperium. Presumably through these nice little defenses.
Seriously the Imperium is invaded daily. What's another Xenos faction they don't have the available forces to wipe out at this point.
And you might also remember the primius of the video scenario . It's not a 1v1 the Covenant is being introduced as a new faction into the Universe itself here. If the Imperium attacks the Covenant. The Imperium will be attacked by the other factions. Because to attack the Covenant the Imperium has to weaken another point in its defense.
Oh and Slipspace allows the Covenant to either completely bypass the planets or jump in, drop some antimatter Bombs, and jump out.
Making them tactically flexible. Now the Imperium would still react to it but not in the numbers you seem to think . Because currently the Imperium doesn't have the ships and manpower to launch 10,000 ships in a single Crusade without the others noticing and attacking them.
And as Pancreasnowork himself said the Covenant is not going to conquer the Imperium. It's too big.
What they will do is poke at it, cause chaos , kill some human worlds and be pushed back only to do it all over again. On a scale the Tau couldn't hope to match. But not something the Imperium doesn't deal with daily. Fact is the Imperium I'd a shaddow if it's former self and incapable of launching a major Crusade.
If the Imperium was capable of doing even half of what it could in 30k the Tau wouldn't exist. The Orkz would be trying to make a peace treaty. Their not. And the Tau still exists because the Imperium of today is not the Imperium of 30k.
@@John2r1 Yes, through swarms of ships that make UNSC/Covie cruisers look like toys. Orks an Nids can easily brute force Imperial defenses, while Aeldari and Necron ships are simply on a different level of tech.
40k IoM is actually more advanced than 30k IoM in some ways. Case in point Primaris marines and the intro of new plasma weapons.
"Oh and Slipspace allows the Covenant to either completely bypass the planets or jump in, drop some antimatter Bombs, and jump out."
And warp travel allows a fleet to jump next to High Charity at around 500,000km away, and then turn it to dust. And then jump out.
Slipspace isn't faster than the warp, it's just more reliable.
And Covie antimatter bombs don't one tap planets.
You keep ignoring the fact the IoM can easily outrange and destroy High Charity, as it's not a full planet, but in essence a very large ship.
It's like a craftworld but worse.
The way you transitioned from the content to your ad read... as a typical consumer that hits the *skip* button asap... was masterful. Hats off to you sir, you nailed that part.
(Edit, you made alot of the same arguments that I had, that came to mind in your explanations. Well done.)
LETS GOOO! Been waiting for this one. Legendary.
It would be real fun to see you do this with other factions from sci-fi, perhaps even collaborate with some other TH-camrs who know more about the faction/universe you’re discussing. I think that would be amazing and would be very interesting to discuss.
Honestly if the UNSC teamed up with the tau and gave them slipdrives thatd be a pretty solid wombo combo.
When it comes to The UNSC and Tau Alliance, I say it should be Farsight Enclave.
If I remember correctly, the Imperium actually encountered a human-alien nomadic civilization that sounds just like your nomadic UNSC scenario they were called the Diasporex and well.... They kind of got wiped out by the crusading imperium.
Granted this was the Great Crusade era Imperium not the 40k imperium but to me this just means that your scenarios might change a lot depending on which time period of Warhammer they appear in.
Also could change depending on the time period the UNSC Humans are in. Lets not forget the UNSC are the durect descendents of the Ancient Human Empire which technologically rivialed the Forerunners. And are genetically altered via a Geas implanted in their genetic code that gives them access to all Forerunner technologies.
Also it would likely take the Imperium at least a few thousand years to even notice them. And the Geas aka Genetic Comman implanted into their DNA gives them a set of subconscious instructions.
The Librarian imposed a broader geas on the entire human race, which has affected them a great deal throughout their history following the activation of the Halo Array. The geas includes, among other things, a familiarity with Forerunner technology and control interfaces,as well as subconscious instructions on how to gradually achieve more sophisticated technology including AI , Advancements in Power armor and weapons among other things .
So the Imperium is as likely to run into the current UNSC as they are to run into a empire as advanced as the Forerunners or Ancient Human Empire.
Which could curb stomp the Imperium.
I wish there was a human faction other then the Imperium. I can’t get behind the flavor of grim dark they are so having a faction like the UNSC or a Battletech faction in 40K would be something I’d like to see. This video was a fun thought experiment well do e
Battletech is not much better than the Imperium. Not even the fed suns. Yes they’re not as bad, but that’s a very low bar.
I did not know the UNSC used 7.62 instead of 5.56. I imagine you'd need that uhmph taking down anything bigger than a grunt
What I really loved about Halo is that the UNSC vs Covenant war is basically grounded Sci-fi vs Space Fantasy.
Which is pretty much why the UNSC took a beating and also why a lot of fanfics love putting them in the Mass Effect universe.
Like the Covenant, every 40k faction is pretty much different flavors of Space Fantasy.
Except maybe the Tau. They are a bit grounded in terms of the believability of their tech.
I think this whole fan fiction overlooks the fatal flaw with the UNSC: lack of adaptation to chaos. Their sentient AIs would be pretty easy to corrupt. As would their Spartans. The Imperium is inefficient by design to be resilient in the face of chaos corruption. The UNSC would fall quickly to the slightest taint. They are too connected, too free thinking, and lack faith or other protection from chaos like the tau's small presence, the tyranid's hivemind, and the ork's collective waaagh.