A big part of why I love Victor Saltzpyre from Vermintide so much is that you get all the fun of righteous zealotry and utter disgust for your opponents, while still being a far more level headed person. He can shift between “I’m actually taking this rogue wizard suspected of crimes in for trial instead of just shooting her for heresy because that’s the right way to do things” and “THE CRIME IS YOUR FOUL EXISTENCE! THE SENTENCE IS DEATH!” In the blink of an eye.
The Empire of Man was actually pretty evil in earlier lore (Police state straight out of 1984 full of racism) iirc. Karl Fanz being there fixes all tho.
Cathedrals with engines and broadside cannons of such stupidly large calibers that you could fit a fuckin yacht in there. Yeah. They’re fucking awesome.
"How many space marine chapters are described as being different from the rest because of how valiant, self-sacrificing, or brutal they are?" Mr. Bones 40k: "Am I a joke to you?"
Something I really like about the imperium is that since no one really invents anything new, with a few exceptions *cough* Cawl, they technology is a mishmashed of different levels of advanced due to the imperium getting it all from picking the bones of a better age of humanity. So you’ll have a guard regiment riding on horseback with Vietnam radios and plasma canons on their back and a medic carrying leeches in case their humors are imbalanced
DUde they have space shits... they MANUALY RELOAD THEIR CANNOS. The imperium its insane leves of stupidity. The mechanicus (one of my favored), use incense instead of learn to code.
When I ran a lot of 40k roleplaying games it was pivotal to the players understanding is that they're part of a large, heavily wounded, old biological organism that has to be wrangled with no finesse at all. Just repeated beatings until its angry enough to fight again another day and spitefully pointed at what it needs to kill. No one cares about your character, if they live, die, succeed or fail it matters very little in the scheme of things because somewhere 25million guardsmen are being raised, loaded and sent on an invasion fleet to tear the arsehole apart of something they hate and don't care for niceties. Introspection and Philosophy for how it got to be this bad aren't something you have the luxury for, you need to secure your shit, wear your helmet and make sure there's plenty ammo because something else just crapped the bed and needs killing right now.
The Imperium already operates like the Holy Roman Empire in space. It only looks united when you focus on Imperial forces fighting aliens, because it takes a common enemy to get peers of the Imperium on the same page. Just look at the Badab War.
Its also said in one of the Caiphas Cain novels that rebellion against the imperium is common enough that the won't bother to record the damn thing once its crushed unless Chaos is involved.
@@GlitchTechV1 Heh, that's a neat way to explain why it's basically _always_ chaos when a rebellion happens. Genestealers and Tau Empire don't get to be the root of the problem often enough darn it!
@Sorain1 to be honest maybe just saying chaos was too broad of a term, since there were administrators who kept records of Galvanax and Keffia (Tau/Genestealers and Genestealers) like the papers of Sulla on Galvanax and the myriad of book reports on Keffia's system. And well- let's be honest between tau assimilating another world, genestealers subtly attracting another hive fleet whe re it can get eaten before the administratum could get wind, and chaos cultists on the verge of summoning a demon to tear an entire planet half way into the warp thus endangering the entire sector, I can understand if Chaos took priority.
The Imperium is a cradle draped in shadows, a constellation of civilizations humming softly amidst the vast, indifferent void of cosmos. It's a lantern in the encroaching abyss, a defiant shout into the unending night, proclaimed by the unyielding will of a million worlds. Under the gaze of the God-Emperor, the meat and steel heart of humanity beats resolutely, a beacon against the swelling terrors that haunt the cosmic beyond.
Imperium has a sci-fi estetic that I really like. Half high tech, half low tech. High tech stuff: Energy weapons, holograms, space ships, power armor etc. Low tech stuff: Combustion engines, gunpowder weapons, basic plate armor, etc. This is also the same reason I like the orks. Their desilpunk estetic fits perfectly with half high tech, half low tech.
same, the gothic cathedrals on mechs gets me rock hard and the mad max orks are fantastic. or the necrons being terminator with eldritch wizardy. its one of the reasons i dont care much for the tau, since theyre whole ascetic is like generic scifi, whereas all the other factions have this cool blending.
I've made jokes about the tau being 40k version of Bretonnia with the introduction of the tau'va goddess sicretly being Lileath who actually survive the birth of Slaanesh.
I think the Tau are kind of the reverse wood elves (Ik Exodites exist but I doubt theyre getting more lore much less minis these days). They favor long range and excel in hit and run tactics but as where the wood elves are hard isolationists and it would probably be better for the taus interest if they laid low and didn't attract the attention of the bigger forces of the galaxy but instead they remain imperialists pushing the borders of the other factions and spreading as much as they can.
It would be more akin to a documentary of a deranged serial killer if you are interested from a political angle. There's always justifications but are they valid is another question.
My favorite thing about the Imperium of Man is when average people do amazing things. To me, seeing a person take on daemons and monsters while overcoming his own fear, is the coolest.
And the there’s the Knights. I see a giant walkin mech dude with a chainsaw for one arm and a massive artillery cannon in the other that it doesn’t use for artillery? I am happy.
Xeno (probably Tau): “There can’t be *two* great powers in the universe!” Imperial: “Oh your a power alright, Just not a great one!” Xeno: “Yea? What’s the difference?” Imperial: *”PRESENTATION!!!”*
I don't know, Dawn of War II's campaigns, have quite a few xonversations about morality, ethics, et cetera. But what makes it good is that it is very firmly within the Warhammer 40,000 limits, it doesn't feel like a modern person is trying to infuse their own morality. They discuss whether they will eventually lose their connection to humanity the more years go on as a superhuman warrior, they discuss how much one should cheer in an existence that is already doomed, they defend exterminatus while still being emotionally affected by it negatively. That is one of the reasons I like the Dawn of War II campaigns so much. It feels nuanced and grimdark, rather than simplified noblebright, or comically grimderp.
The imperium is easily my favorite faction in sci-fi basically the Catholic Church and Roman Empire in space fighting against not one but four endgame threats tyranids, necrons chaos, orks , and still it holds its own against them while dealing with stagnation and corruption from within i still believe it has the potential to be one of the most powerful human factions in sci-fi especially with the return of guilliman
@@yaelz6043 They endure in the darkest Age of any civilization fighting threats that would make any of your brains explode. But they still hold their ground and expand for they all live for the Glory of their Emperor, their divine Father
Some one has probably already pointed this out but the imperial gard predates starship troopers buy at least a decade although the book is one of the inspirations for space marines
I like the idea of going full Holy Roman Empire with the Imperium with one caveat- I don't think Terra should be part of it. INSTEAD, I would suggest having Terra more or less be the Vatica. Separate, sort of sovereign, but only nebulously so.
Funny thing is, it was actually necrons who got me into 40k all those years ago. Still my favourites, but IoM also gained a special place in my heart, with its grimdark.
''the imperium goes hard'' is probably the single biggest understatement I have ever heard. also the whole ''the imperium is evil'' debate is dumb, not only is it made to be CARTOONISHYL dystopian on purpose, in the setting its also the ONE THING keeping humanity alive, and in the setting of 40k I would rather be alive under a flawed system then dead/having my soul devoured be daemons...its such a moot point.
"It's the ONE THING keeping humanity alive." That's absurd, though. The human race was, despite all rumors to the contrary, never in danger of extinction during the Age of Strife. In fact, many gigantic human empires were experiencing a kind of Renaissance before the Imperium arrived. It was the Imperium's actions that led to 1) the Horus Heresy, 2) an ascendent Chaos capable of splitting the galaxy in half, and 3), as a result of 1), the arrival of the Tyranid in our galaxy. The Imperium is the guy that barges into your house, holds your family hostage, and demands you thank them for protecting you from a random, different psychopath that also wants to enslave you.
The Imperium being the one thing keeping mankind alive in 40k is an idea I have mixed feelings on On one hand, it shows just how dystopian and grimdark 40k is for humans and noone in their right mind would use it as a basis for anything in real life On the other hand the statement is one misinterpretation away from making the imperium seem good (because justifiable = good to some people from what I've seen) and some people might use the fictional setting with fictional demons and magic as some roundabout justification for their racism, sexism, or any other -isms, after all if people can still unironically call themselves Nazis and think they're in the right then I would put past some idiots from getting the wrong idea and imposing it on others It also discredits all the other species as it can also be twisted into the idea that the Xenos' cruelties driven by survival aren't justified but the Imperium's cruelties driven by survival somehow are which just feels dishartening
The Imperium inspires me. The glory, the sacrifice, the tragedy, the refusal to ever give up no matter how bad things ever get, the faith and dedication, its my muse. I love them.
I use Warhammer lore to fall asleep, its cool enough to keep me entertained, dark enough to be interesting, but goofy enough to not be sad. Its like having your german grandma read you the brother's grimm fairy tales as a bed time story
9:50 if ever you look into the 3D printing scene, there are people who created models of Catachan soldiers based off WWE wrestlers and 90s action heroes.
I would like to see the Imperium split along Rogue Trader's morality. Dogmatic - The Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and Mars preserving the old intolerance and largely being proven right. Iconoclast - Guilliman reforming the Imperium to be rational, pragmatic, and even ethical, but with unintended consequences. Heretical - The Black Legion simultaneously conquering Imperial worlds and being more proactive defenders against xenos.
There really isn't anything to prove right though. Most of the reason why the galaxy hates humans is because the Imperium kills anything that moves and looks remotely different. Other human civilizations were just fine with the other xenos.
@@robertspeedwagon982 I refer to the Black Legion being poster boys of a Dark Imperium, just as the Ultramarines would be poster boys of a Reformist Imperium. The Red Corsairs and Word Bearers are good foils for the faction of chaos that wants to carve out an Imperium they felt they were promised, rather than reave it or submit to the gods entirely.
@@SirBrasstion I really like the theory that Abaddon isn't trying to destroy the Imperium so much as to overtake it and become the new Emperor, using Chaos as a tool to achieve his goals. The guy is literally entirely about his own ego, he's the kind of guy who refuse to become a daemon prince because it would destroy his true self; and he is also the kind of guy to look at eldritch horrors and say : "You will help me achieve MY goals, not the other way around". Abaddon's Dark Imperium in many aspects wouldn't be that different from the modern one anyways.
Honestly this is the best take I’ve seen when it comes the imperium of man I’ve seen way to many people aspiring the imperium way to much in a good vs evil way that this is really refreshing and a good reminder why i adore the imperium in the first place
11:05 na man who needs xenos when you have 10000 nuclear warheads, a resource rich solar system and accidentally pressed "We must ward off those who would threaten us." for first contact in Stellaris
The way I would describe it is this, most factions in 40k are statues, rigid and recognizable from any angle, but the Imperium of man is H20, its shape is only limited to its container and its form can be a solid, liquid or gas, but at the end of the day its still H20.
"Dark Angels are the best Space Marines of aesthetic alone and its not even close" And like that, I can now forgive the ending bit from the Morathi video lmao
The homebrew possibility for the imperial guard is truly limitless. For my example I've been working on a planetary naval regiment with Warships, Sailors and Marine infantry units. Mostly inspired by my naval service (2010-2014) when I discovered Warhammer 40k on board USS Essex and USS Bonhomme Richard while serving along side the 31st MEU. Ran into a bit of a stumbling block when I tried to convert the USS Bonhomme Richard LHD 6 (844 foot or 257m long if your country doesn't have its flag on the moon) to games workshop size and realized that wouldn't be physically feasible to build much less transport a fucking sea titan compared to a in world warlord titan at 108 feet or 33m being roughly 7 times longer as wide as 4 laid out sideways and at least as tall as 2. Much less how much fire power would be appropriate for a vessel that sized in 40k..... Battle ships aren't as long or wide but they carried guns larger than any ground emplacement ever could hope to with the exception of Thomas the trains very angry German cousin Gustav.....
12:18 problem with that is that, the moment you have to say "none of these people are real" is what we call an "immersion breaking moment" which frankly, kind of kills the enjoyment, because it forces me to remember that, for metatextual reasons, none of what happens in the story matters at all, because if the story ends, then the company can't make money any more.
I became a fan of 40K from Totalwarhammer. It was cool seeing all the scifi versions of the fantasy factions. And the guard is the best human faction, faith, steel, and gunpowder in space as humanity should be not that space marine garbage.
IMO the guard are closer to skaven tho. Sometimes its steel and faith, but alot of times its "lets bury this problem under a mountain of human bodies, so noone can see how incompetent I really am"
By the end of the day, fiction is an escapism from life. While others tries to take off their eyes from reality due to how bleak it is, others does it due to how boring & un-cathartic it is, meaning that they seek different things in their escapism
Maybe it has nothing to do with your comment, but I think this, Warhammer 40k, is quite complex. From what I've seen, in the fandom there are only two extremes: Those who take it seriously and those who don't take it seriously. There is no middle ground. At least it doesn't seem like it. On the side of those who do not take it seriously, it is often pointed out the satirical content of the first editions and the exaggerated style of the game. On the side of those who take it seriously, there is a lot of talk about the power of the setting to tell very deep stories, usually citing the most accepted BL novels and the pieces of the most famous lore. I think we are facing a case of "blind men and the elephant." No one is absolutely right, only a part of it. Taking 40k seriously can be harmful, especially considering that the story is in the hands of a company of dubious morality. Furthermore, given the chaotic nature of lore, no matter how much you try to improve, there will always be some problem, whether it be continuity or consistency. But not taking 40k seriously is not the best idea either, because although it may not seem like it, lore is the main reason for the success of 40k. People don't spend $50 to $60 on plastic just because it looks cool, no, they spend it on buying "Magneus Calgar, captain of the Ultramarines chapter or Horus Lupercal, the Warmaster, the Traitor, etc." Of course there will always be exceptions, but most of the content on 40k TH-cam is about lore or debates about it. Just look at this beautiful channel, if you find a video on how to paint your figures, your member will grow 5 centimeters.
Thank you content creator, you are the Naggarothi soldier being stepped on by Morathi while I look on in wonder, experiencing this hobby while I watch with silent judgement. Halo Lore again when? The Grunt Rebellion? The Taming of the Hunters?
I’m gonna get some more Halo stuff out relatively soonish. Thinking ODSTs or SPARTANs, though ONI and individual races in Halo would be fun videos to make too so idk at the moment what’s coming.
@pancreasnowork9939 both are good, ODST before Spartans would feel more fluid to mention Buck and highlight the Special Forces from the Black Ops specialty of the Spartans. Regardless it would still be better than John Spartan series that lacked the flair of the novels and games.
"I'm not here for complex debates on morality, I'm here to watch the Minotaurs bulldoze an orphanage because they needed to make room for a cathedral to house all the cool stuff they stole." I love this so much lmao
This is one of the things, I love to take the whole thing seriously in some ways, and it's also great to take it lightly. Being able to enjoy the whole range of the hobby is one of the best parts of it.
I also want say that the uniform for the guard is actually not inspired by Starship Troopers. Many elements of the lore are, but the iconic look came from the movie way after 40k and the Cadian look was already a thing.
"This is a universe where how much gold you have on you determines how safe you are from deamons. Why are you trying to take it seriously?" That is amazing. Even as a Tau fan, that's amazing. Edit: Yeah, I do hope the Tau can grow. They are kinda small now, but I like the idea that, despite how bad they are, they are the best option to go for in Warhammer. I just wish they would bring back the different species as troops, like the humans. Imagine an entire imperial guard army, but they are bashed with Tau weaponry. That would be fucking badass.
I do hope they drop the whole mind control addition because that really doesn't do anything for them. Having classic non-warp psychics however would be really cool.
Imperial guardsmen across an entire sector take 1 single day off, no fighting, no doing work, just cracken a cold one and taking a nap. Next day its right back to the trenches. I wounder how that'd go?
Nobody close to the Dark Angels? Excuse me, the Emperor's Champion would like to speak with you. The Emperor has gifted him a vision of you taking this heresy back before tasting the Black Sword.
The imperium already basically operates as a feudal empire, so a Crusader kings style game where you are playing as imperial nobility while having to juggle the threats of chaos and xenos would be so cool
Having back and forth nerd talk between friends is the best, even more so if you are able to back it up with table top dice rolls that bring on the glory. Me and a close friend of mine would always ensure that my army HQ and his would close in on one another and take part in glorious melee combat. I either played a necron overlord or Ork warboss and he would play a blood angels smash captain. Neither of us would really claim victory by slaying the other but those dice rolls were still spectacular.
The imperiums attitude towards xenos is getting better and better over time, it's really only the high lords of terra that are light years from danger but still scared xenos will get them , most other factions will ignore them if violence is unnecessary but sometimes xenos help the imperium and vice versa
aesthetically i love tau things, excluding the tau themselves. bro brought gundams to go against walking cathedrals. also the tau with the farside enclave have huge potential to become the most technologically advance race in 40k if they continue to exist long enough. they small but they pack a punch.
A great example of the Imperium being great is when it is NOT the main faction in a book. In the Twice Dead king books a Crusade comes for the Necrons. It is a faceless, and overwhelming tide that just buries the Necron Dynasty under its unstoppable weight. It is huge and terrifying and they desperately flee from it as it relentlessly pursues them. Fantastic.
"We shouldnt dropkick aliens to death" if Stellaris has taught me anything is that not dropkicking them leads to them attempting to do the same to you. Kids , dropkick aliens.
This is an excellent phrase that I'm most definitely stealing. It applies to most things the imperium does. They are justified because they have no alternative and they are good because the end goal they are achieving is the survival of mankind. Besides the cases of grim derp writing, which is writing that has a more logicl alternative that isn't being used to make a point of how grim and dark the story is. An example of this is imperial navy ships loading kilotone shells by slaves pulling chains insted of inventing pistons which is a literal steam age technology. There is examples of such grim derp writing from time to time.
The only time "Empire evil" gets obnoxious is when the people who are REALLY adamant about it are also super into Chaos while acting as if they're the good guys. Fucking goofy.
I really do like the Tau, even my favorite, awesome stuff and good thinking (Most of the time) but when I see almost anything related to the Imperium of Man, I can't help but think, damn that looks cool as hell
11:39 i dont wanna start a war, but we all know that after posting this, they posted yet another artwork of Guilliman being basically Jesus, and his Ultramarines being paragons of all that is good in humanity. At this point it feels like the Imperium is unironically just good 70% of the time and then grimderp to overcompensate the other 30%
The Emperor of Man is overhated, in my opinion. Between people with genuinely good criticisms and people just making shit up, I genuinely think the Big E is a lesser evil compared to the other factions. He's a piece of shit, an abusive dad, incredibly short-sighted which is inexcusable for a perpetual, and people often apple moral arguments to him. There's nothing wrong with that but compared to other factions (fallacious argument, i know) he really isn't the most evil person out there.
Yeah goddamn it’s an amazing faction. I love just putting myself in the shoes of literally anyone in the Imperium. Picturing the worldly perspective of someone who should, by rights, have no hope; yet they thrive through fanatical devotion. It’s such a… foreign perspective.
What id love to see is a schism in the mechanics with cawl actually progressing the tech they have closer to dark age tech (maybe a new mechanicus robot infantry unit?) But thats more because id love to see the men of iron or something close to what they looked like.
I think it would be a great move for GW to make the empire of man in space, as you suggested. It's the option that I think makes the most sense, seeing how the guy in charge is the same guy who broke up the legions because "🎶no one man can have all that power.🎶" Plus, I'm pretty sure that if the imperium full on shattered, it'd basically just be an inevitable Tyrranid W, and the game would end.
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Can you please do a video on StarCraft factions in Warhammer 40k
no i will not try brilliant
....pancreas are you feeling well? Your still an elf simp right?
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BREAKING NEWS: ELDAR SIMP DOESN'T SHIT ON IMPERIUM (SHOCKING)
I'm legally obligated to make an "Imperium Good" video at least once or other 40k channels will behead me
@@pancreasnowork9939 Art imitates life I guess
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To talk shit to others you first have to learn their culture for maximum efficiency, this is just a Tzeench scheme
@@pancreasnowork9939 I feel betrayed I subscribed for Eldar simping not Imperium simping what the hell is this lol
@pancreasnowork9939
Passing up a perfectly good opportunity to go Diogenes on em.
I honestly thought this was going to be 20 minutes of “look at Guilimans jawline”
Hasn't he already done that?
My man has been mewing for 10 thousand years
Yea, that's about the only reason I would side with the Imperium. It's also the reason I would side against it if G-Man decided to.
look at sanguinis's everything
@@ian7809 Guillichad stays winning
Hot take man. Don't know if 40K fans will agree with this one
Oh shit, it's Alt. History Hub
Nope
Ratio+didnt ask+ork simp
Ikr... I mean who finds Space Marines cool?... Other then almost everyone... actually, Ignore what I said.
Ratio+didnt ask+ork simp
Darktide really made me realize that being a zealous imperium fan is actually pretty fun
BLOOD FOR THE EMPEROR, SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!
@@Riiveri inquisitor!!!
Witness your doom!
@Riiveri HERETIC BLOOD FOR THE PURGING GOD!!! TRAITOR SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!!!
god is zealot fun in that game. just rush in and fuck hoards up while screaming like a fanatical maniac
Pancreas blink twice if your being held hostage
Hal, Eli and Andy had an "intervention,"
Pancreas's don't have eyes.
the inquisition finally caught up to him
He's just become best friends with an Inquisitor and a Chaplain, but he's totally safe-- trust us (or else)
A big part of why I love Victor Saltzpyre from Vermintide so much is that you get all the fun of righteous zealotry and utter disgust for your opponents, while still being a far more level headed person. He can shift between “I’m actually taking this rogue wizard suspected of crimes in for trial instead of just shooting her for heresy because that’s the right way to do things” and “THE CRIME IS YOUR FOUL EXISTENCE! THE SENTENCE IS DEATH!” In the blink of an eye.
The Empire of Man was actually pretty evil in earlier lore (Police state straight out of 1984 full of racism) iirc. Karl Fanz being there fixes all tho.
@@hoked2194 The Karl Franz is the "my realm is in very bad state, but at least I try" type of leader
That game is how I learned that screaming "I ABJURE THEE!!" Is great fun
Speaking of which, id love for Pancreas to do a vid on the Ubersreik Five.
Laws exist for humans...not for ratmen.
I really like how the ships look
Single best reason to like the Imperium
This along John Blance's drawings of Vostroyans in 4th edition rulebook got me hooked.
@@pancreasnowork9939when will you upload “Do or Don’t Ossiarch Bonereapers”?
Cathedrals with engines and broadside cannons of such stupidly large calibers that you could fit a fuckin yacht in there. Yeah. They’re fucking awesome.
I'm with you in that
"How many space marine chapters are described as being different from the rest because of how valiant, self-sacrificing, or brutal they are?"
Mr. Bones 40k: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yes
"They're not like the other chapters, they're heretics in all but name"
Okay cool have them purged
@@ffwast "you can't solve all your problems by purging them!"
"That sounds suspiciously like heresy..."
Mine are botanists and cowboys.
Mine are the most dangerous type of different in the new Imperium - traditionalists!
The Grey Knights are so secretive, they didn't even make it in this video. 10/10
Something I really like about the imperium is that since no one really invents anything new, with a few exceptions *cough* Cawl, they technology is a mishmashed of different levels of advanced due to the imperium getting it all from picking the bones of a better age of humanity. So you’ll have a guard regiment riding on horseback with Vietnam radios and plasma canons on their back and a medic carrying leeches in case their humors are imbalanced
Or all their most advanced tanks using *rivted armor.*
With the added fun that their humours *are* imbalanced thanks to warp leaks.
@@altechelghanforever9906 The rivets add AOE damage ;)
DUde they have space shits... they MANUALY RELOAD THEIR CANNOS. The imperium its insane leves of stupidity. The mechanicus (one of my favored), use incense instead of learn to code.
When I ran a lot of 40k roleplaying games it was pivotal to the players understanding is that they're part of a large, heavily wounded, old biological organism that has to be wrangled with no finesse at all. Just repeated beatings until its angry enough to fight again another day and spitefully pointed at what it needs to kill. No one cares about your character, if they live, die, succeed or fail it matters very little in the scheme of things because somewhere 25million guardsmen are being raised, loaded and sent on an invasion fleet to tear the arsehole apart of something they hate and don't care for niceties.
Introspection and Philosophy for how it got to be this bad aren't something you have the luxury for, you need to secure your shit, wear your helmet and make sure there's plenty ammo because something else just crapped the bed and needs killing right now.
The Imperium already operates like the Holy Roman Empire in space. It only looks united when you focus on Imperial forces fighting aliens, because it takes a common enemy to get peers of the Imperium on the same page. Just look at the Badab War.
Its also said in one of the Caiphas Cain novels that rebellion against the imperium is common enough that the won't bother to record the damn thing once its crushed unless Chaos is involved.
@@GlitchTechV1 Heh, that's a neat way to explain why it's basically _always_ chaos when a rebellion happens. Genestealers and Tau Empire don't get to be the root of the problem often enough darn it!
@Sorain1 to be honest maybe just saying chaos was too broad of a term, since there were administrators who kept records of Galvanax and Keffia (Tau/Genestealers and Genestealers) like the papers of Sulla on Galvanax and the myriad of book reports on Keffia's system.
And well- let's be honest between tau assimilating another world, genestealers subtly attracting another hive fleet whe re it can get eaten before the administratum could get wind, and chaos cultists on the verge of summoning a demon to tear an entire planet half way into the warp thus endangering the entire sector, I can understand if Chaos took priority.
The Imperium is a cradle draped in shadows, a constellation of civilizations humming softly amidst the vast, indifferent void of cosmos. It's a lantern in the encroaching abyss, a defiant shout into the unending night, proclaimed by the unyielding will of a million worlds. Under the gaze of the God-Emperor, the meat and steel heart of humanity beats resolutely, a beacon against the swelling terrors that haunt the cosmic beyond.
Imperium has a sci-fi estetic that I really like.
Half high tech, half low tech.
High tech stuff: Energy weapons, holograms, space ships, power armor etc.
Low tech stuff: Combustion engines, gunpowder weapons, basic plate armor, etc.
This is also the same reason I like the orks.
Their desilpunk estetic fits perfectly with half high tech, half low tech.
same, the gothic cathedrals on mechs gets me rock hard and the mad max orks are fantastic. or the necrons being terminator with eldritch wizardy. its one of the reasons i dont care much for the tau, since theyre whole ascetic is like generic scifi, whereas all the other factions have this cool blending.
I've made jokes about the tau being 40k version of Bretonnia with the introduction of the tau'va goddess sicretly being Lileath who actually survive the birth of Slaanesh.
I kind of like that idea
Oh thank god, i was trying to figure out who the brettonia was and i was leaning dangerously close to the imperial knights
I say the imperium has a lot of Bretonnia as well considering there Lords treatment of peasants and blind faith in a deity, just a lot less French.
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Aren't the admech bretonnia?
I think the Tau are kind of the reverse wood elves (Ik Exodites exist but I doubt theyre getting more lore much less minis these days). They favor long range and excel in hit and run tactics but as where the wood elves are hard isolationists and it would probably be better for the taus interest if they laid low and didn't attract the attention of the bigger forces of the galaxy but instead they remain imperialists pushing the borders of the other factions and spreading as much as they can.
The Imperium is awesome in the same way that a slasher villain can be cool even though murder is bad.
It would be more akin to a documentary of a deranged serial killer if you are interested from a political angle. There's always justifications but are they valid is another question.
Yes, they are.
My favorite thing about the Imperium of Man is when average people do amazing things. To me, seeing a person take on daemons and monsters while overcoming his own fear, is the coolest.
“Pity the Guardsman” in a nutshell. 😉
Ciaphas Cain! Ciaphas Cain! Ciaphas Cain!
I too own several Leman Russ.
@@gdaddy3695or gaunts ghost even though they mostly fight generic corrupted humans.
The planet broke before the guard did
I’m a simple man. I see a group of giant men in power armor I am happy. I see cool army dudes, I am happy. Nuns are with guns? I’m cultured. Nuff said
deffo nuff said
And the there’s the Knights.
I see a giant walkin mech dude with a chainsaw for one arm and a massive artillery cannon in the other that it doesn’t use for artillery?
I am happy.
"Someone can tell me to kill myself, which is the highest honor I can receive."
Truly the words of wisdom
I love that quote in context, and it only gets more fun out of context.
"But deep down in our heart, we all know which faction got us into this hobby..."
Yeah, the lizardmen. You don't know me warmblood.
Finally, some HIGH QUALITY TERRAN BLESSED slop.
Xeno (probably Tau): “There can’t be *two* great powers in the universe!”
Imperial: “Oh your a power alright, Just not a great one!”
Xeno: “Yea? What’s the difference?”
Imperial: *”PRESENTATION!!!”*
operation dominus
drop a fucking warlord class titan on them
Hold this L
Megamind quote goes hard
I don't know, Dawn of War II's campaigns, have quite a few xonversations about morality, ethics, et cetera. But what makes it good is that it is very firmly within the Warhammer 40,000 limits, it doesn't feel like a modern person is trying to infuse their own morality. They discuss whether they will eventually lose their connection to humanity the more years go on as a superhuman warrior, they discuss how much one should cheer in an existence that is already doomed, they defend exterminatus while still being emotionally affected by it negatively. That is one of the reasons I like the Dawn of War II campaigns so much. It feels nuanced and grimdark, rather than simplified noblebright, or comically grimderp.
Are they horrible? Yes.
Are they relatable? Yes.
Besides, gotta cheer for the home team. The imperium is awesome!
saying they’re relatable with an ONI pic, checks out lol
if oni had much more free rain within the UNSC they would be doing things that would make the inquisition blush.
ONI would fit right in with the Imperium.
Says the oni employee lmao
343 oni depiction here. How have they massacred perception of halo.
The imperium is easily my favorite faction in sci-fi basically the Catholic Church and Roman Empire in space fighting against not one but four endgame threats tyranids, necrons chaos, orks , and still it holds its own against them while dealing with stagnation and corruption from within i still believe it has the potential to be one of the most powerful human factions in sci-fi especially with the return of guilliman
"Dealing with stagnation and corruption from within"
Yeah, they deal with it the same way I deal with my alcoholism, by drowning in it.
@@yaelz6043 they survive
there are people who believe in the imperial truth still
and they arent fucked over when they die
@@yaelz6043 They endure in the darkest Age of any civilization fighting threats that would make any of your brains explode.
But they still hold their ground and expand for they all live for the Glory of their Emperor, their divine Father
I choked on my drink with the cato sicarius moment because it just caught me so off guard
11:05 Cato stomping out that T'au and Guy Haley writing him to have super PTSD unironically made me like the character.
Some one has probably already pointed this out but the imperial gard predates starship troopers buy at least a decade although the book is one of the inspirations for space marines
I like the idea of going full Holy Roman Empire with the Imperium with one caveat-
I don't think Terra should be part of it.
INSTEAD, I would suggest having Terra more or less be the Vatica. Separate, sort of sovereign, but only nebulously so.
A space elf fan saying something good about the human race, this is a rare sight.
President Sly Marbo's platform of bigger knives for everyone was a huge hit.
Elf lover caught supporting the mon keigh (this will not be forgotten)
Pancreas, blink twice if the Imperium fanboys are currently holding you hostage.
Staring contest, GO!
Funny thing is, it was actually necrons who got me into 40k all those years ago. Still my favourites, but IoM also gained a special place in my heart, with its grimdark.
''the imperium goes hard'' is probably the single biggest understatement I have ever heard.
also the whole ''the imperium is evil'' debate is dumb, not only is it made to be CARTOONISHYL dystopian on purpose, in the setting its also the ONE THING keeping humanity alive, and in the setting of 40k I would rather be alive under a flawed system then dead/having my soul devoured be daemons...its such a moot point.
it doesn't. the imperium is the single worst part of the setting
@flyin_solo2573 I would like to understand your reasoning for this. Why do you dislike the imperium?
@@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308 his reasoning is that the four-armed emperor is way nicer so let's welcome our new space friends in
"It's the ONE THING keeping humanity alive."
That's absurd, though. The human race was, despite all rumors to the contrary, never in danger of extinction during the Age of Strife. In fact, many gigantic human empires were experiencing a kind of Renaissance before the Imperium arrived. It was the Imperium's actions that led to 1) the Horus Heresy, 2) an ascendent Chaos capable of splitting the galaxy in half, and 3), as a result of 1), the arrival of the Tyranid in our galaxy.
The Imperium is the guy that barges into your house, holds your family hostage, and demands you thank them for protecting you from a random, different psychopath that also wants to enslave you.
The Imperium being the one thing keeping mankind alive in 40k is an idea I have mixed feelings on
On one hand, it shows just how dystopian and grimdark 40k is for humans and noone in their right mind would use it as a basis for anything in real life
On the other hand the statement is one misinterpretation away from making the imperium seem good (because justifiable = good to some people from what I've seen) and some people might use the fictional setting with fictional demons and magic as some roundabout justification for their racism, sexism, or any other -isms, after all if people can still unironically call themselves Nazis and think they're in the right then I would put past some idiots from getting the wrong idea and imposing it on others
It also discredits all the other species as it can also be twisted into the idea that the Xenos' cruelties driven by survival aren't justified but the Imperium's cruelties driven by survival somehow are which just feels dishartening
The Imperium inspires me. The glory, the sacrifice, the tragedy, the refusal to ever give up no matter how bad things ever get, the faith and dedication, its my muse. I love them.
Oh god they got to him
The 40k universe blossoms as soon as you shift the focus away from the Astartes.
I use Warhammer lore to fall asleep, its cool enough to keep me entertained, dark enough to be interesting, but goofy enough to not be sad. Its like having your german grandma read you the brother's grimm fairy tales as a bed time story
The only place one should every aspire to be like the Imperium is in every Stellaris playthrough
9:50 if ever you look into the 3D printing scene, there are people who created models of Catachan soldiers based off WWE wrestlers and 90s action heroes.
I have a fairly extensive 3rd party Catachan army & am always on the lookout for more. Do you know the name of any company or sellers making these?
I would like to see the Imperium split along Rogue Trader's morality.
Dogmatic - The Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy and Mars preserving the old intolerance and largely being proven right.
Iconoclast - Guilliman reforming the Imperium to be rational, pragmatic, and even ethical, but with unintended consequences.
Heretical - The Black Legion simultaneously conquering Imperial worlds and being more proactive defenders against xenos.
Seeing a split between Guilliman and the psychos could be really fun. Would love to play Black Templars fighting against the false prophet.
I'd prefer having Huron's forces win and do shit over the Black Legion. Failbaddon doesn't deserve to be the cool chaos guy anymore
There really isn't anything to prove right though. Most of the reason why the galaxy hates humans is because the Imperium kills anything that moves and looks remotely different. Other human civilizations were just fine with the other xenos.
@@robertspeedwagon982 I refer to the Black Legion being poster boys of a Dark Imperium, just as the Ultramarines would be poster boys of a Reformist Imperium. The Red Corsairs and Word Bearers are good foils for the faction of chaos that wants to carve out an Imperium they felt they were promised, rather than reave it or submit to the gods entirely.
@@SirBrasstion I really like the theory that Abaddon isn't trying to destroy the Imperium so much as to overtake it and become the new Emperor, using Chaos as a tool to achieve his goals. The guy is literally entirely about his own ego, he's the kind of guy who refuse to become a daemon prince because it would destroy his true self; and he is also the kind of guy to look at eldritch horrors and say : "You will help me achieve MY goals, not the other way around".
Abaddon's Dark Imperium in many aspects wouldn't be that different from the modern one anyways.
Personally, orks got me into Warhammer
Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks! Orks! ORKS!
That is a certified hood classic
The Boyz!
Same
Same here the boyz got me in
Honestly this is the best take I’ve seen when it comes the imperium of man
I’ve seen way to many people aspiring the imperium way to much in a good vs evil way that this is really refreshing and a good reminder why i adore the imperium in the first place
Tau trying to be diplomatic with any of the 40k races will never not end hilariously at the Tau's expense
11:05 na man who needs xenos when you have 10000 nuclear warheads, a resource rich solar system and accidentally pressed "We must ward off those who would threaten us." for first contact in Stellaris
Tyranids, Tyranids got me into this hobby and when all is said and done, The Nids will go looking for the next buffet...
I also knew a guy who was kit bashing scaven guardsmen. It works.
“How does it feel to serve a dying Imperium, human?”
*Hits lho-stick* “Euphoric.”
The way I would describe it is this, most factions in 40k are statues, rigid and recognizable from any angle, but the Imperium of man is H20, its shape is only limited to its container and its form can be a solid, liquid or gas, but at the end of the day its still H20.
"Dark Angels are the best Space Marines of aesthetic alone and its not even close"
And like that, I can now forgive the ending bit from the Morathi video lmao
The homebrew possibility for the imperial guard is truly limitless. For my example I've been working on a planetary naval regiment with Warships, Sailors and Marine infantry units. Mostly inspired by my naval service (2010-2014) when I discovered Warhammer 40k on board USS Essex and USS Bonhomme Richard while serving along side the 31st MEU. Ran into a bit of a stumbling block when I tried to convert the USS Bonhomme Richard LHD 6 (844 foot or 257m long if your country doesn't have its flag on the moon) to games workshop size and realized that wouldn't be physically feasible to build much less transport a fucking sea titan compared to a in world warlord titan at 108 feet or 33m being roughly 7 times longer as wide as 4 laid out sideways and at least as tall as 2. Much less how much fire power would be appropriate for a vessel that sized in 40k..... Battle ships aren't as long or wide but they carried guns larger than any ground emplacement ever could hope to with the exception of Thomas the trains very angry German cousin Gustav.....
It won't make for apractical unit, but it can still be the battlefield!
12:18 problem with that is that, the moment you have to say "none of these people are real" is what we call an "immersion breaking moment" which frankly, kind of kills the enjoyment, because it forces me to remember that, for metatextual reasons, none of what happens in the story matters at all, because if the story ends, then the company can't make money any more.
I became a fan of 40K from Totalwarhammer. It was cool seeing all the scifi versions of the fantasy factions. And the guard is the best human faction, faith, steel, and gunpowder in space as humanity should be not that space marine garbage.
IMO the guard are closer to skaven tho. Sometimes its steel and faith, but alot of times its "lets bury this problem under a mountain of human bodies, so noone can see how incompetent I really am"
@@lennyztrobos8678Skaven would be dark mechanicum and guard at once
Fun fact: PNW already made a video on “The Imperium is Space Skaven”. ;D
@@UGNAvalon Need to watch that, thanx!
@@averageeughenjoyer6429the ratlings in 40K are just skaven that renounce their faith in the great horned one
By the end of the day, fiction is an escapism from life. While others tries to take off their eyes from reality due to how bleak it is, others does it due to how boring & un-cathartic it is, meaning that they seek different things in their escapism
Maybe it has nothing to do with your comment, but I think this, Warhammer 40k, is quite complex.
From what I've seen, in the fandom there are only two extremes: Those who take it seriously and those who don't take it seriously. There is no middle ground. At least it doesn't seem like it.
On the side of those who do not take it seriously, it is often pointed out
the satirical content of the first editions and the exaggerated style of the game.
On the side of those who take it seriously, there is a lot of talk about the power of the setting to tell very deep stories, usually citing the most accepted BL novels and the pieces
of the most famous lore.
I think we are facing a case of "blind men and the elephant."
No one is absolutely right, only a part of it.
Taking 40k seriously can be harmful, especially considering that the story is in the hands of a company of dubious morality. Furthermore, given the chaotic nature of lore, no matter how much you try to improve, there will always be some problem, whether it be continuity or consistency.
But not taking 40k seriously is not the best idea either, because although it may not seem like it, lore is the main reason for the success of 40k.
People don't spend $50 to $60 on plastic just because it looks cool, no, they spend it on buying "Magneus Calgar, captain of the Ultramarines chapter or Horus Lupercal, the Warmaster, the Traitor, etc." Of course there will always be exceptions, but most of the content on 40k TH-cam is about lore or debates about it.
Just look at this beautiful channel, if you find a video on how to paint your figures, your member will grow 5 centimeters.
@@ramonayala7647 dude, this is beautiful. Dont hide it in the replies. Make a full comment so everyone can read it
Thank you content creator, you are the Naggarothi soldier being stepped on by Morathi while I look on in wonder, experiencing this hobby while I watch with silent judgement.
Halo Lore again when? The Grunt Rebellion? The Taming of the Hunters?
I’m gonna get some more Halo stuff out relatively soonish.
Thinking ODSTs or SPARTANs, though ONI and individual races in Halo would be fun videos to make too so idk at the moment what’s coming.
@pancreasnowork9939 both are good, ODST before Spartans would feel more fluid to mention Buck and highlight the Special Forces from the Black Ops specialty of the Spartans. Regardless it would still be better than John Spartan series that lacked the flair of the novels and games.
"I'm not here for complex debates on morality, I'm here to watch the Minotaurs bulldoze an orphanage because they needed to make room for a cathedral to house all the cool stuff they stole." I love this so much lmao
6:00 exactly why I LOVE the guard, so much modeling possibility. No 2 of my guardsmen look alike.
This is one of the things, I love to take the whole thing seriously in some ways, and it's also great to take it lightly. Being able to enjoy the whole range of the hobby is one of the best parts of it.
I also want say that the uniform for the guard is actually not inspired by Starship Troopers. Many elements of the lore are, but the iconic look came from the movie way after 40k and the Cadian look was already a thing.
17:14
I just wanted to say that I appreciate the Frieren near the end of the video. 💜
"This is a universe where how much gold you have on you determines how safe you are from deamons. Why are you trying to take it seriously?" That is amazing. Even as a Tau fan, that's amazing.
Edit: Yeah, I do hope the Tau can grow. They are kinda small now, but I like the idea that, despite how bad they are, they are the best option to go for in Warhammer. I just wish they would bring back the different species as troops, like the humans. Imagine an entire imperial guard army, but they are bashed with Tau weaponry. That would be fucking badass.
You saw they're bringing kroot units back? Almost makes me want to run tau.
Finally, a fellow Tau fan! 🫡
I do hope they drop the whole mind control addition because that really doesn't do anything for them. Having classic non-warp psychics however would be really cool.
Imperial guardsmen across an entire sector take 1 single day off, no fighting, no doing work, just cracken a cold one and taking a nap. Next day its right back to the trenches. I wounder how that'd go?
I really like this video, the Imperium is an awesome faction and more positivity in Warhammer is always a good thing.
Tactical Dark angels are my absolute favorite and it crushed me when I learned that on the table they focus primarily on bikebros and terminators.
Nobody close to the Dark Angels?
Excuse me, the Emperor's Champion would like to speak with you. The Emperor has gifted him a vision of you taking this heresy back before tasting the Black Sword.
The idea of humanity united in purpose, even if it's a stupid purpose, is kinda satisfying.
The imperium already basically operates as a feudal empire, so a Crusader kings style game where you are playing as imperial nobility while having to juggle the threats of chaos and xenos would be so cool
You come for the imperium you stay for the necronsl
I really loathe how GW changed the presentation of the IoM from "the least worst option," to "the utilitarian heroes."
Thanks!
Having back and forth nerd talk between friends is the best, even more so if you are able to back it up with table top dice rolls that bring on the glory.
Me and a close friend of mine would always ensure that my army HQ and his would close in on one another and take part in glorious melee combat. I either played a necron overlord or Ork warboss and he would play a blood angels smash captain. Neither of us would really claim victory by slaying the other but those dice rolls were still spectacular.
You're totally right.
The Mechanicus is a part of the Imperium...
*technically*
mechanically speaking
Well done! Also, the faction that got me into 40k...in 1987...was the Eldar. Where I remain to this day.
i like that you use pictures of the tabletop models. Thanks for another banger.
2:35 you’re a psycho for using red text
The imperiums attitude towards xenos is getting better and better over time, it's really only the high lords of terra that are light years from danger but still scared xenos will get them , most other factions will ignore them if violence is unnecessary but sometimes xenos help the imperium and vice versa
love your channel. you bring something really unique to the table. subbed
I can't think of a more metal sentence than "COME! SHOW ME WHAT PASSES FOR FURY AMONG YOUR MISBEGOTTEN KIND"
aesthetically i love tau things, excluding the tau themselves. bro brought gundams to go against walking cathedrals. also the tau with the farside enclave have huge potential to become the most technologically advance race in 40k if they continue to exist long enough. they small but they pack a punch.
People forgets that 60% of humanity in 40k hasn't seen a war in generations
>Checks title
>Checks date
Wait, this ain't April 1st
A great example of the Imperium being great is when it is NOT the main faction in a book. In the Twice Dead king books a Crusade comes for the Necrons. It is a faceless, and overwhelming tide that just buries the Necron Dynasty under its unstoppable weight. It is huge and terrifying and they desperately flee from it as it relentlessly pursues them. Fantastic.
"We shouldnt dropkick aliens to death" if Stellaris has taught me anything is that not dropkicking them leads to them attempting to do the same to you. Kids , dropkick aliens.
10:07 Took the words right out of my mouth.
If they didn't want people to cheer for the neo-crusaders in space, they probably shouldn't have made Hell real.
The imperium is just the trolley problem on repeat with a very obvious extinction or survival option being far too often portrayed as evil.
This is an excellent phrase that I'm most definitely stealing. It applies to most things the imperium does. They are justified because they have no alternative and they are good because the end goal they are achieving is the survival of mankind.
Besides the cases of grim derp writing, which is writing that has a more logicl alternative that isn't being used to make a point of how grim and dark the story is. An example of this is imperial navy ships loading kilotone shells by slaves pulling chains insted of inventing pistons which is a literal steam age technology. There is examples of such grim derp writing from time to time.
The short answer is we love the imperium of man because of how stupid and silly it is, and it’s something that we can just “fuck around and find out”
The only time "Empire evil" gets obnoxious is when the people who are REALLY adamant about it are also super into Chaos while acting as if they're the good guys. Fucking goofy.
The Imperium got me at Space Mongolians. Then I saw Khorne and I was like “this is my faction”
I really do like the Tau, even my favorite, awesome stuff and good thinking (Most of the time) but when I see almost anything related to the Imperium of Man, I can't help but think, damn that looks cool as hell
0:29 THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS RIGHT HERE BABYYYY
11:39 i dont wanna start a war, but we all know that after posting this, they posted yet another artwork of Guilliman being basically Jesus, and his Ultramarines being paragons of all that is good in humanity. At this point it feels like the Imperium is unironically just good 70% of the time and then grimderp to overcompensate the other 30%
Bro’s narration is elite
The Emperor of Man is overhated, in my opinion. Between people with genuinely good criticisms and people just making shit up, I genuinely think the Big E is a lesser evil compared to the other factions.
He's a piece of shit, an abusive dad, incredibly short-sighted which is inexcusable for a perpetual, and people often apple moral arguments to him. There's nothing wrong with that but compared to other factions (fallacious argument, i know) he really isn't the most evil person out there.
I cant believe you would say something so controversial, yet so brave.
Yeah goddamn it’s an amazing faction. I love just putting myself in the shoes of literally anyone in the Imperium. Picturing the worldly perspective of someone who should, by rights, have no hope; yet they thrive through fanatical devotion. It’s such a… foreign perspective.
What id love to see is a schism in the mechanics with cawl actually progressing the tech they have closer to dark age tech (maybe a new mechanicus robot infantry unit?) But thats more because id love to see the men of iron or something close to what they looked like.
"In the context of not being real i love it"
Huh, i never considered that.
I got interested in 40k because those little parchment ribbons you see affixed to uniforms with wax are the coolest little detail in the world
I think it would be a great move for GW to make the empire of man in space, as you suggested. It's the option that I think makes the most sense, seeing how the guy in charge is the same guy who broke up the legions because "🎶no one man can have all that power.🎶" Plus, I'm pretty sure that if the imperium full on shattered, it'd basically just be an inevitable Tyrranid W, and the game would end.
The inquisition got him.
Dreadnoughts, Titans, and Adeptus mechanicus got me into warhammer