The Crimewatch Years 1989 Murders
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- Crimewatch UK 1989 Murders
Derek Brann (Unsolved)
Harry Howell (Unsolved)
Lorraine Benson (Solved)
Lionel Webb (Unsolved)
Michael Fahy (Unsolved)
Jean Kempton (Unsolved)
Gordon Johnson (Solved)
Peter and Gwenda Dixon (Solved)
Michelle Wareing (Unsolved)
Christoph Schliak (Solved)
Thank you to Redcard74 for uploading the original content - เกม
the old guy was far too trusting telling complete strangers that he had a substantial amount of cash stashed away... a big no no
Someone made an interesting comment about how their elderly father had started doing the same. They found out that it was sadly a symptom of his increasing dementia.
@th8257
Does anyone know if there are laws in the US,
that obligate whatever corporate entity,
to take into account a customer's dementia diagnosis?
So for example health insurance sales calls.
Someone I know has switched their health insurance over 10 times,
as in: Whatever the salesperson wants them to do?
They do!
A friendly voice on the phone, a lonely old person with dementia,
is convinced to switch, over and over, and even back and forth.
Then at the bank.....dementia patients can make a terrible mess,
even if they have a POA taking care of their finances.
The POA isn't allowed to ask the bank to take the customer's dementia into account?
My friend's mother was ordering $1,000s of dollars worth of cookies
from a store on the other side of the country.
She would forget she ordered cookies and order more DAILY!
When my friend found her house full of bags and bags of cookies,
he called the cookie store and told them not to fill any more orders.
He was told it was NONE OF HIS BUSINESS,
That it was a private business relationship between the cookie store and his mom.
Does anyone know what a caretaker, who only has POA, can do about issues like this?
Totally 👍
Yeah. Couldn't help but think "silly old fool" while watching it.
So sad 😞@@th8257
The Salvation Army guy makes a very profound observation at 44:18 about the way we treat alcoholics. A sorry indictment on a supposedly ‘civilised’ society.
You are right.
society's cog slowly moved 4 women & children in the past 30 years…
*Edit even animals don't get the raw deal they got back then.... Like being exported for slaughter & microchipping cats & dogs.
Agreed!
Fortunes are made off alcohol addiction.
It's a terrible disease.
I hope The Salvation Army is doing well and carrying on.
My dad taught me this song about The SA:
""I was lying in the gutter drunk on beer,
pretzels in my whiskers and I thought the end was near.
When the grand old army came and saved me from the wreck!
Put a nickel on the drum,
save another drunken bum!"
Their motto is "Blood & Fire".
Members are encouraged to adopt children
whose parents have fallen victim to the disease of addiction.
Not the first time The SA was featured on Crimewatch UK,
2 other times to my knowledge.
Nice one for that man to point out that just because Micky was a heavy drinker/ alcoholic gives zNo one the reason to believe his life is any less precious than anyone else.
Shame most don't think this way.
I agree with you. A friend of mine died and he was an alcoholic but one of the loveliest persons I’ve ever met. X
He's right in pointing out that drink is pushed on us from every angle
I just can’t 😓 who would hurt a defenceless old man?
SCUM BAGS ARE NOW EVERYWHERE IN OUR SOCIETY . EVEN BREAKING IN AND ATTACKING THE ELDERLY IN THEIR OWN FOUR WALLS . WATCH YOUR BACK IN JAIL . SOME CRIMES ARE NOT " APPROVED OF " BY OTHER INMATES .
Nobody deserves to die like this . Sad f...king sad .
Whos watching from the US? (I ran out of crime shows from US) If you are from UK & like true crime, watch Forensic Files. Its the best eerie and chilling show in US
Waiting on a new season best on Amazon prime and Netflix
I'm from UK and I love American FBI programmes and forensic files
"Web of lies" is good. New Zealand
👋 hey. I’m from the U.K. and I love forensic files. 🙋.
I like 48hrs mystery and in an instant good us shows.theres another show about unsolved crimes and he calls somebody in jail (raven/13)
Poor Harry. He seemed like a sweet old chap.
Indeed,he was just sad and lonely and wanted someone to talk too. Someone took advantage of he's vulnerability.
@@campfreddy3547 They were cruel gits !!!!
I had to stop watching after this story, it's too depressing
Many thanks for uploading these segments in compilation form. You did a great job.
watching crimewatch makes you more streetwise.
So funny how the refer to people as ‘tramps’😂
you can tell its back in the days where you could smoke everywhere including trains and buses
The Muslim Gooner I live in the states, but I remember my mom smoking while shopping in the grocery store in the 70’s. Seems bizarre now.
If one farts in public today it's 10 years in Nick 🤣
Have you ever heard nonsense like this? That poor vulnerable man lay dead in his flat for 12 days. It's unbelievable.
Totally 👍
Some people even today lay for years dead in their flat or home.
How about since 2017?
Harry's killers were pure evil🤷
Agreed...and I think you're right!
It was more than one person.
Cider with dettol sounds so grim 🤢
What IS dettol????
@@noongourfain it’s a cleaning product sold in the uk. You should not be drinking it in any way
When I was 18 I walked from Uxbridge to London, those were the days !!!!
You walked 17.5 miles from Uxbridge to London,Just get a bus a 207 bus Uxbridge bus station to shepherds Bush and get a connecting bus to central London.
@@campfreddy3547 I wanted to bloody walk at the time !!
@@IanP1963 fair play,no problem,you must be super fit.
@@campfreddy3547 Thank you - I was 19 then and I was as I also did running and marathons, I am 57 now, and things aren't the same - Lol !!!!
@@IanP1963 we are all getting old,I'm 41,but I feel like I'm 14 inside,do you know Costa del Uxbridge?
Truly shocking how before DNA came to be such a aid to solving crime, how many murderers got away with their crimes.
Identity parades are not a perfect way of picking out the criminal. I saw an American doc where a woman swore blind the man she saw in a photo was her rapist. DNA proved he was NOT, and she STILL insisted he was, just by the mug shot/ID parade. So you can't reply on folks memories or judgement to frame the criminal.
All murder cases are sickening when you think of the lifetime of misery that the deaths have on the families and friends of the victims but there is something especially sickening about the cases where the murders went unsolved. That someone can take an innocent person's life and 'get away with it', carrying on as if they are decent, law abiding people for all the years that follow on from their evil acts, just leaves you feeling so frustrated and angry. Mind you, given the ludicrous leniency shown to those who are caught, the Dundee gunshop owner murderers being a prime example from the cases highlighted here, you are still left feeling angry and frustrated at the injustice when they are convicted !
12:02 Have you got rid of all of Elsie’s things? Blimey, she’s only been gone 4 weeks!
Jesus thats nothing my auntie packed all my uncles clothes and belongings on the same day the body wasnt even cold 🥶 never liked her she was an evil old bag 💼
That's what I thought! "Have you got rid of all Elsie's things?" How lacking in compassion.
Lionel's "secretary" had a good deal - shows up for work at 3 pm and he's buying her a car. 🤔
Highgate Angel 🤔🤔🤔😉😉😉
He was a ex armed robber. Largely suspected to be involved in drugs.
@@JC-ss7xy have tried looking up for any info on this case, and couldn't see much........
Nudge nudge, wink wink
Lionel Alfonso Webb, just googled that name, and there's plenty of info about him, was a big time armed robbers, well known and part of a notorious gang, back in the 80s, seems like they'd obviously upset a few wrong people, and got their come-uppance, some were jailed for a long time, Lionel met a rather grizly ending.....
50.20 guy says he can’t drink no more and is out the game,, he then leaves the pub and goes straight into the car and drive off, police and television company show this because it was socially accepted this went on back then in those years
Sue Cook....compliments to such a beautiful woman!
morris verschraegen 🤭🤭
I am finding it so...amazing to recognize some of these crimes as ones I have watched investigative reports on! AND! They some have been solved too.
So surreal to see how the crimes were depicted/understood at the times they were featured on this program. How much time has passed that the cases were solved years/decades later because of advances in science.
So weirdly fascinating.
Thank Goodness for believing in science!
Programme!
@Treasure Hunter UK bruv ...l love the theme tune. Me right pal Hong-Kong John did a megamix bruv , and you know the Bom bom, bom bom.. I would just start marching up and down on the spot bruv! Banging a couple a white doves 🕊 😋. I also know about clothes, man . Reebok, Kappa, and londsdale track suit bottoms. Yeah, imma a pretty cool bloke, bruv. Programme 🤣. Love it bruv , love it 😀
@@gjthomas9770sausage
Poor Harry, useless warden. I turned 11 the day after he was found. RIP Harry.
Why would you want to tell us when you turned 11? We've all been 11. Do you want a medal?
3 weeks and 2 days after Harry was found, my cousin had a child who is 34 now. We always celebrate his birthday by watching the crime watch reconstruction as an extended family.
@@paulbishop6895what relevance is that to do with Harry’s death ?
Its sarcasm after the op comment✈️ @@KittyCatFurbabiesMaria1972
@@paulbishop6895 what do you know about Harry’s death then ?
Those screams over the top of that music at 52:00 are chilling. Chilling.
Crazy that he didn't investigate!
Can't remember who it was but I know the Dixon one was solved,he was caught because there was something unique about his shorts.
He commited 2 or 3 other murders before he was caught.They were called the Bullseye murders because he was a contestant on Jim Bowens darts gameshow called Bullseye.
Thank you for the information that one stood out I was wondering if it was solved
Great documentary on TH-cam.
Same person killed a gay man and his sister, and set fire to their house. I never understood how they linked him to this murder. I read the reports, and still don't get it.
John Cooper was found guilty of their murders and other murders and rapes in and around the area of Pembrokeshire. He is still in prison.
Cooper stole Dixon's shorts, had his wife alter them and kept them for YEARS!
Cooper was a real creep.
His own son despised him.
Abusive douche bag
Thank you!
So many unsolved murders
I looked up the Michelle Wareing case. Said it’s solved. Peter David Heston attacked her.
If the insurance business was bad in 1989 then goodness knows what state it's in now😂
I believe the market crashed in the fall of '89.
People couldn't afford the minimum insurance, let alone the bells and whistles.
That detective at 28.10 sounds like he should be in drury lane playing hamlet or some kind of am dram he doesn’t act like your typical detective 🕵️♀️
Thanks for this, can’t find anything on Christoph Schliak - wonder what happened with that one...seems an interesting character!
can't find anything myself, few articles about him before he was murdered but nothing after
Retro Pixels I personally think he was gay, and possibly picked up lads in pubs, that’s the only explanation I can think of for his behaviour and possibly increased his risk.
always a possibility
@@UncleJay101 was it solved?
@@JC-ss7xy I'm struggling to find anything as well online for it.
The description needs updating:
Peter David Heaton (18) was convicted of the murder of Michelle Wareing (18)
The poor man hearing Jean Crompton screams over the music. Must have haunted his thoughts for some time to come.
Schliack is a true eccentric and I remember eccentrics well - not so many around today sadly !!!!
That might be because they often get murdered
Cider with dettol ? Holy f**k ! 🤭
I knew a fella that used to drink hand sanitizer. But that's not as sever as Cider with Dettol.
@@robertb9902 he was a neighbor of mine. He's dead now
Why on earth would that man give her all that money to look after ? 😳
Lou Lou that’s what I thought!
Could it be that she offered him “favours” hence why he might have been actually GIVING her £300? She maybe threatened to tell his wife?
The £300 was never found. Unless anyone seen he gave her the money, there would only be him that knew she had it.
A keen enthusiast?
@@sahm3d indeed
@@jackkirk61 I thought he said he wanted it back next week.
19:10 Inspector Clouseau
The bullseye murderer was the one who killed the dixsons
The camping couple were killed by a serial killer called John Cooper. Nasty crimes he committed he got a whole life order for several murders and sex attacks. I feel for the couple - they obviously enjoyed their lives very much.
Confused with the murder of Lionel he was complaining of debt on one hand yet was offering people cash for homes cars etc..?Confusing but then the drugs issue kinda put it into perspective, he owed money to the wrong people who probably came to collect a debt..Did they catch anyone..?
No.
Lionel Alfonso Webb was part of a larger gang of armed criminals, well known, feared and connected to many crimes in Birmingham back before he moved to London, many of his criminal associates were jailed for lengthy periods, Lionel met a very grisly ending.....
the unsolved cases… i bet the perpetrator watched this and feeling smug
You have to think.. some are probably still walking around the streets. Scary
44:38, that's right inspector, it was "a wicked, motiveless murder."
39.50 this week I have been mainly drinking.... Cider with dettol 🍻👌
Dettol? Wow.
@@joannehowe7513 it's a cocktail with one hell of a kick 🍹👌
Cashing the cheque then giving the money to someone to look after is odd. Why not just pay it into the bank?!
If he had a bank account he would have put the cheque into it!! Most people cashed their work cheques in pubs in those days, it was pretty common amongst those in the building trade
@@dannylfcmeatloaf But surely not give such a large amount to someone else to keep for them - come on dude!
A lot of older people in particular back then didn't have bank accounts. People tended to be paid in cash, and bank accounts were viewed by a lot of that generation as being something only for posh people that they had little use for, and a lot of them had spent their lives living hand to mouth with cash. There was a good episode of coronation Street in the 80s where Stan and Hilda Ogden got their first bank account, and it was such a huge deal for them.
Noticed Lindy Lou in High St, we had one in Wolverhampton during 1970's....
Lionel looks like he was becoming a millionaire
He was in debt and spending cash he didn't have.
40:54, Mickey didn't fail to help someone in need, even though he was in a pitiful condition!
Bruv ..the theme tune, l had me right pal DJ Hong Kong John make a megamix. The bom bom, bom bom l would just start marching bruv after dropping a couple of white doves bruv . Blasting out the tune for hours bruv
Why couldn't Jean's friend given her a lift - what a gent!!
I love the way he’s been drinking all afternoon then drives home!
She said she wanted to go to another place to continue drinking, and he said he had enough, and wanted to go home.
Smoking on the train. Wow so much has changed...for the good. 😖
smoke everywere.. i still do
MR Outside. Not in enclosed areas.
Yeah the good old days.
There was nothing like smoking on a train back in the day. Made the journeys much more tolerable. Probably not for the non-smokers though 😂
The year I left school. 1989, I don't remember any of these crimes, or how many were solved. If any.
I am 57 and still can't remember any of them🤔
10.34 is that zippy off rainbow
lol
Its very interesting to watch these then research as to whether anyone was arrested and convicted for the murders ..... To see if justice was achieved
The actor who plays Peter Dixon had been in something else but i can't think what it is ?? Anyone know what else he has acted in ?
No
@@IanP1963 He definitely has been in something else though.
The copper in the Peter and Gwenda Dixon case really looks like he doesn’t want to be there!
Probably because he didn't. Some detectives I'm sure despise making television appearances and speaking with the media despite it being a vital component of the job.
😅
@@LALakersNornIronhe just struck me as very rude. He was barely looking at Nick when he was speaking to him. Just basic manners to face the person you’re talking to!
@@Lushgirl81 agreed. Manners cost nothing.
Classic cases of not phoning the police at the time….sadly they would not turn up now if half of these occurrences were reported 😢
1.20 .05 i hadnt realised paul calf lived in blackpool
52:13 why doesn’t anybody call police!😮
i'm not watching crime for the unsolved part of it ! Especially not the ones that have been solved in the last 30 years, i either want to help bring a unsolved crime justice or i want know how it ended, when justice has been served !
I find unsolved part of it more interesting 👍
@antoonvanmaris58
It is most likely a fact that at least one murderer,
from one unsolved CW UK case,
has watched the reconstruction of their crime.
We should all encourage them to confess.
It's the right thing to do!
And many of the unsolved cases now have DNA evidence.
It's up to the police to find the money to do the familial DNA work.
The Janet Brown case for example.
Her daughters deserve an answer.
It’s incredible how many Brit crimes go “unsolved!” Even when someone’s convicted they end up getting out early.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_in_the_United_Kingdom_(1980s)
Schliak looks more like a Rumpole of the Bailey type to me. It says in WEBSLEUTHS that his murder was solved, does anyone know who by, as this info isn't on Goggle for some reason.
There's a reconstruction of how the case was solved. Look for Crimewatch File: Death of a Gentleman
@IanP1963 There's a whole Crimewatch Redux episode about his murder.
Yes his murderer was caught.
An Irish guy who lived with his family near by.
His own family said he had a violent temper.
13:50 Harry was a sociable person.
The Pembrokeshire murders. John Cooper (who did it) appeared on Bullseye.
Mmmmmmoooooooooooo
Yeah she's probably drunk
smoking on the train! my heavens!
we can still remember smoking on the trains in 2004 / 2005
I remember when you could smoke on a plane!
Thank God, no more.
44:18, Chick Yuill? Martin Kemp!
Did they catch the killers does any body know ?
Who killed Christoph schliack?
Kenneth Hamilton murdered him got 6 years and served 4
There's a documentary on TH-cam called Death of a gentleman
th-cam.com/video/zfsfBANH7vs/w-d-xo.html
@@irishcountryman4866only 6 years😮😮🤯🤯🤷
@@mazfitnessjounery2023 yes, manslaughter
@@irishcountryman4866 seriously manslaughter come on now
they shud have DNA..
Jail now is a holiday anybody can do a couple off months in prison i just come out in December 2024 after 4 months but doing 4 years shxx different ball 🏀 game but 8 times ivbeen away time dont pay best thing dont touch drugs get a job and work hard . And you will have good do at life or go in army get some diapline
Smoking in the cab
54:59 why’d you not go home!
The way sue cook says Tramp 30:05 shows pure contempt for our nomadic friends. Ironically, these days, Sue herself is often seen unconscious on park benches after her notorious meths binges
As Alan Partridge said about her, "That's Sue for you".
Nick Ross never apologised to Barry George and still
believe he killed Jill Dando
No arrests , no conclusions , just ' Crimewatch ' scenes tacked together ; a complete waste of time !
You can Google the victims names if you’re that interested in finding out what happened in each case
Harry was a bit of a bragger im sorry to say but maybe he bought it on himself poor bugger
Stupid comment- who wants to get murdered
i used to live in clapham. way after than 1989... but damn i missed that place
Each to their own Lol....