Feels weird to look up reviews of this monitor and come across my comment, haha! I now have two of these monitors. One black like yours and one with white bezels. The white one has 1-2 dead pixels at the top left but you really don't notice it when gaming. You state yours is perfect in terms of backlight bleed. Mine has a bit in the lower right corner but nothing major. I have a lot of Eizo monitors. Some CRTs and some LCDs. The LCDs tend to gather a lot of dust between the panels inside which is a royal PITA! I would suggest to cover it up when not using it and take great care when transporting it (clean it before storing it for transport and use dust free materials to package it up). Lovely presentation, subbed!
Whoa didn't think I'd see a comment from the one who I read the monitor comment from! I was really digging to see what I could learn about this monitor, especially in regards to input lag. Your comment about not feeling it in fighting games basically put me at ease. 👍 I'm really satisfied with this monitor. Been using it to revisit older games and I really have no complaints other than the price. That's a bummer with the 1-2 dead pixels though, I guess even EIZO isn't safe. :\ I didn't know EIZO had CRTs but I'm sure they don't make them anymore. I'll definitely keep in mind about the panel dust and transporting, as I may be moving sometime late in the year. I've been babying this thing as much as I could. I really hope EIZO continues making 4:3's in the future, or heck any other company, I still think there can be a use for these. Thanks for the encouragement and support Pad, was surprised to see a notification for this. 👍
@@VoidbrandGallery Appreciate the kind words, you put a smile on my face when I saw my comment!😄 Yeah, the EIZO CRTs were proper beasts. Even bigger and chunkier compared to other CRTs but they were really well made. Unfortunately EIZO is probably the only company making 21 inch 4:3 LCDs. They also make another monitor which is a perfect square but it's extremely hard to get, the FlexScan EV2730Q. I will try and get one if I find it for a good price. Apart from the price and the fact the EIZO S2133 doesn't support 50HZ - no Amiga core for example - it's a brilliant monitor. Do enjoy it and take really good care of it!
@@PadPoet Hi there. I'm also a happy owner of an S2133. There are other 21" 4:3s out there : Samsung 214 or Nec LCD2190UXp and p212. I have an LCD2190 and the Eizo is slightly better in my opinion. I have a few DELL 2007FPBs and the Eizo is still the best. Its truly awesome :) Thanks for the cool review and take care !
@@mutmut02_ Hey man. Yes, I also have a 2190UXp and also a 2180UXp. Never had a P212 though. Agree, the Eizo is the best of them all. All others besides the Eizo S2133 are really old monitors though so kind of expected this. You take care as well!
Great review, thanks for posting this! It's nice to hear that perspective on why a 4:3 monitor is desirable. It actually surprises me how many people are totally cool with jail bars hugging their frame--it'd be too distracting for me.
Great review, thanks! Too bad other companies don't have at least one 4:3 monitor for the retro community. This niche needs a little bit more competition. A gloss screen OLED or QD-OLED would be amazing! And with variable refresh rate for odd arcades and pal/ntsc oddities.
You're welcome, I'm glad the video helped out. I wish there were more 4:3 monitors to choose from, but I guess there's just no money in it. A 4:3 OLED would be very nice. Maybe EIZO will start making some in the future, but it'll probably cost 10,000 dollars or something.
@Evgen Priest No sorries needed, I can't remember if I mentioned it in the video, but I'm using emulators on a PC with this monitor. Mainly Kega Fusion, DuckStation, and PCSX2. As well as some computer games from gog.com. Kega Fusion and DuckStation has settings for scanlines which I use.
bro. you're a lifesaver. I've been wanting a 4:3 monitor for ages. have been looking into getting a CRT. not even just for retro gaming but gaming in general. as a 2000s kid I feel like most games look and feel better when played on 4:3 resolutions, especially when paired up with a CRT shader via reshade. I like to pretend all the games I play are being played on my old console and tv setup. this monitor is perfect for this. I'm ordering one the week after next. thanks so much man! p.s. I reckon if you uploaded some long form footage of gameplay on your channel when you can, that would do pretty well in terms of views. and you'd possibly start a new trend in regards to people wanting this monitor as its such a good alternative to a decent CRT. and more convenient
You're welcome. Appreciate the comment. It was my first video so I'm glad it helped out. I've been playing games on this monitor for my other channel, but not with the camera pointed at it. All I have is a phone to do videos like that with. But it's definitely an idea.
What about Eizo s2134? It has same aspect ratio, but has some better specs. And I believe the s2134 is flicker free while the s2133 is not flicker free (correct me if I am wrong)
@@ΠάνοςΒασιλειάδης-ω7φ I will most certainly look into this. thanks mate. a quick glance tells me you can get the s2134 for £200 less than the roughly £800 s2133 here in the uk, so thats a good start!
I really appreciate your effort to make this video. Retro PC community should be much stronger and post more videos like this. I’ve just bought one of these brand new for 500 USD locally. I am thinking of getting one more just in case from the same local guy. I also have Dell 2007FPb, HP LP2065, NEC LCD2090UXi, EIZO S2100. I’ve been collecting the ones I’ve heard about, just missing NEC P212. Too bad I probably won’t be able to compare them. I don’t know how to do it right as well as not enough of free space and a bit lazy to do so…I’ll most likely to sell the rest and keep the EIZO S2133. I however noticed something, a 19” monitor might be a better choice for very old games, the bigger the screen size the worst these very old games look. I wouldn’t go for 17” as I care about my eyes. With that being said, 21” screens are also great.
Hey thanks, appreciate the comment a lot. 500 USD is great for this monitor. I had my sights on the 2007 FPb but wanted something more modern. Arcooda has a 4:3 IPS with HDMI that might be worth looking into, but the delivery time takes awhile.
@@VoidbrandGallery I am mostly into retro games, so I don’t really need the HDMI port. If you don’t mind me asking…Did you pay the retail price for it? I hope not.
I have a 1280 x 1024 17" 75hz, beautiful for programming. Surfing on the web feels like everything is made for 5:4 or 4:3 monitors. Going to facebook marketplace, amazon and youtube is amazing too. Feels very easy in the eyes. I play Fornite, GTA V and Rocket League, and 75hz is great, all the minimaps can be easily located by your eyes, going to Facebook or other pages the side panels can be easily located in your eyes. That's the reason laptops, tablets and smartphone are popular, it's because everything is easily located by your eyes. 24" monitor 1080p 16:9 was a bad idea. TVs are for watching movies, PC is more than that
Great video! I've got the 2007fpb myself. The lag is fine for me so long as I make sure nothing else is laggy, like I won't use bluetooth controllers with it. The Eizo looks great but I can't spend that kind of money. If one popped up used locally for a nice price I might buy it. What makes this difficult is most of the later 4:3 screens that might have had decent refresh rates were also extremely budget, so they're usually 1024x768 or something similar, not 1600x1200.
I used to always get 1920X1200 monitors so that I could run retro pc games in 3:4 resolutions with integer scaling. I used to have a Dell u2415 which was very good.
Before this I would retro game on a 2560x1440 monitor, with black bars on the side and it was fine. Something about not having black bars though, it's like stepping back to the mid late 2000s when I had ViewSonic 5:4, except with 4:3 this time.
Lower input latency is crucial for a good gaming experience and while the higher refresh rate does allow better input latency on paper it does not guarantee it. For example a 120Hz monitor with 28ms input latency will be at disadvantage compared to 10ms 60Hz monitor in fast paced multiplayer game despite the difference in the refresh rate. A time between 2000-2010 some LCD monitors had very minimal input latency due to missing scalers but as the processing units were introduced the latency hit over 48ms at worst and 2010-2020 things got slowly considerable better. Still it's not unfortunately that uncommon to get 20ms input latency on average cheap monitor though.
@@strictlyninetiesAccording to some specs I’ve seen, the EIZO S2134 has a higher level of brightness and contrast 1800:1 versus 1500:1 on the EIZO S2133. Which will be better in very bright rooms. Other then that it seems to be the same.
It noce that you can still get these and are made to this day, even acer has a couple models in 5 4 or 4 3 and offer the latest video connections, i think they are better for internet, file, and chat boxes for streaming. Some games that have limiting resolutions work wonders with these screens. 16 x 9 is the default now and uktrawide becoming more and more popular. 4x3 i dont think will go anywhere or die out just yet if there is still a demand for them
I have a Dell U2412M monitor. It is a 16:10 ratio with a resolution of 1920x1200. Like the 2007Fpb the panel is IPS which has good viewing angles. It is also LED backlit so it doesn't wear out anywhere as bad as old CCFL backlighting like my old 2007Fpb did. There is a feature to set the ratio to 4:3 so you can input any resulation upto 1600x1200 although it does not get on with the game with Psycho Pinball due to it's odd resolution.. If you have the psysical space and don't mind having the black borders on the left and right hand side this would also be an ideal cheaper alternative.
Thanks for making this video. Can you comment on how you find the monitor for general computing (browsing the web, reading text, etc)? I've heard it said that the 4:3 ratio is better for productivity than widescreen ratios, but I'm not sure how true that is.
You're welcome. I heard the same, but I personally don't really find myself using it for web browsing that much unless my 1440p monitor is occupied with video editing or something. I wouldn't want to watch TH-cam videos on it because of the black bars on the top and bottom, but there's some cases where a video is in 4:3 and it'll fit the entire screen which is nice (a lot of the games I play and upload here and the other channel would fit a 4:3 monitor). I find it perfectly fine if this was my only monitor though, I originally had this connected to a separate PC for old gaming and web browsing and didn't have any complaints with any websites I visited. Personally prefer to do spreadsheets on a 4:3 than 16:9 too.
TBH its a lot of money. as a retro gamer, i would just get a dell ultrasharp or a nice nec 1600x1200. i honestly do not see how this monitor justifies that price!
That's good to know. I was comparing it side to side afterwards and the monitor really looks better in comparison. The monitor from the phone looks more "washed out" or brighter, even just comparing my Crusader videos to this one.
@@VoidbrandGallery thanks man! Is it possible to route the audio via one of the downstream USBs to a DAC for example? I'm super interested in this monitor
@Borgzz That's a good question... I have no idea. I have never used these ports before. superuser.com/questions/856297/what-do-the-upstream-downstream-usb-ports-on-a-monitor-do Reading through this says that any USB connecting device would work on it, as long as it stays within the power specs. But I've never used a DAC. Definitely double check before getting this monitor. Is there another LCD display you can test out? Upstream is USB 2.0: Type-B, and the downstream ports are USB 2.0: Type-A, so if it works on another monitor I don't see why it won't work on this one.
@@VoidbrandGallerythanks for the help man:) I looked into it more and I am more sure this won't work. My best bet Is to find an HDMi extractor (I am playing on a modded N64 with hdmi output) for the N64, split the hdmi signal into HDMI (video) and toslink for audio. The toslink signal will feed my DAC with sound but I would even use a HDMi to DVI-D adapter. A lot of tbings can go wrong if some elements don't support each other. I did find another monitor that has really nice specs and that is the Beetronics 19" monitor. I've never heard of this company but the monitor's specs seems on par with the Eizo :)
@Borgzz I never heard of them either, but if they got what you want then it should all work out. It's good to see some non-widescreen monitors still being made.
thanks for review bro.... from south korea. as you told, there is no review of S2133..(maybe not only TH-cam..) so it is very helpful. so tell me your score out of 100 for playing retro game performance(dont think about price). (I am playing pcsx2, MAME...)
Thanks man, I'm glad the video helped out. I bought this for emulation, so it's perfect for your use case (10/10). PCSX2 is one of the programs I use + Kega Fusion, Duckstation, & DOSBox. No issues with any of them. And yes it's good for web surfing. Sometimes I prefer it because my main monitor is 1440p and I have to scale the text a little in a web browser.
Got a eizo s2134 since a year or so, colors and quality are the best in any 4:3 aspect ratio monitor by far, play PC old games in it is glorious, also my X6800 look amazing using with its XRP-4, but, and this is a BIG BUTT, the monitor is not compatible with OSSC or Framemeister, I always use upscaler on it the image freeze randomly making play anything upscaled imposible, also from OSSC 5x un 240p upscaled games always end in a signal error, I dont understand why, upscale 240p on 5X delivers exactly a 1600x1200 resolution. Anyone having same issue? Any solution to upscale games in this monitor?
Hi, awesome video i just got a 15 benq 4:3 lcd but its too small so what monitor would you recommend thats 21 inches i cant find your model for sale online, would it be a small difference getting a 20 inch from nec for example?
Hey there, thanks. They still have this model available on bhphotovideo it looks like, but availability is 2-4 weeks it seems: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044684-REG/eizo_s2133_bk_21_3_thin_bezel_clear.html If you can get a 20 inch NEC I'd go with that, since it's much cheaper. Unless you're like me and really wanted a monitor with DisplayPort. 20 inches is fine, I'd be ok with it especially if you're using it on a computer desk.
@@VoidbrandGallery 1100 thats pricy :O, i am from europe there is a online store here selling the eizo for 800 but its still out of my budget, and yeah i dont need displayport, havent found any nec ips on ebay :( but i found a barco 21 inch thats ips the response time is 8 ms i might go for that, what do you think?
@@martiniusengeland2633 Wow never heard of that brand. Looks like it's 1600x1200 too if I found the right model. I guess it would depend on what kind of games you play if you can find out what the input lag is like. That's what I looked for before buying the Eizo.
@@VoidbrandGallery Yeah im planning to play most genre except fps games: ps1 games, 2d retro consoles to 32 bit and windows 98 and xp era games, barco input lag seems fine i might buy one next month if the seller accept returns if the input lag is too much i will just return it and wait til i can afford the eizo in january.
Eizo is great for professional use, but for the same price target why not considering an Arcooda 20139 which has 15kHz / 24kHz, HDMI, better response time and support for almost every of resolution?
does the bracket allows you to rotate counterclock wise? it would be cool to play vertical shooter on it. but the thing is sometimes some games only has a counterclock orientation in the game option.
Amazing monitor, i cant afford it though sadly. Do you think the Eizo flexscan s1934 would make a good retro gaming windows xp monitor? Ive also been looking at some NEC 5:4 monitors theyre still selling on B&H
I checked it out. Response time looks a bit high (14ms), and I have no idea how high the input lag would be. I think 5:4 monitors are nice as long as people are ok with black bars for non 5:4 games. I see the S2133 go for about 300-500 on eBay if that's still an option.
@@VoidbrandGallerynot sure why youtube doesn’t notify me on responses anymore but thanks so much for looking into that for me, i will definitely try to find one on eBay
Looks like it would work with the Retrotink 5x Pro upscaler from reading this reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/pmiemo/retrotink_5x_scanlines_on_dell_vga_monitor/ He's using it through VGA on a 1600x1200 Dell monitor. This user here is having trouble with the OSSC upscaler with a lot of brand monitors including EIZO: videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/cannot-get-5x-1600x1200-working-on-different-monitors-cables/ The EIZO S2133 doesn't support 50hz though, so I guess it would depend on the console's region.
@@VoidbrandGallery I have an Extron upscaler (DVS 304) and I plan to use it with a Sync Strike on the input and the Scanline generator on the output, both by Arcadeforge (haven't bought yet just have the upscaler). I already have two very good CRT's but it is difficult to justify them if I can find a modern 4:3 LCD panel like the one you reviewed. There is a cheaper alternative for someone wanting a 4:3 modern LCD (also rotates), the Iiyama B1780SD (17") and B1980D (19"), which you can get brand new easily. They both have a response time of 5ms, although obviously the picture quality wont quite be up to the Eizo's standard. I've looked around and I can get the Iiyamas brand new for ~£150 or the Eizo brand new for ~£650... that's quite a stark difference so I would love to hear from someone who has compared them.
Those monitors are in 5:4 1280x1024 resolution according to the website specs. If the Extron can upscale to that resolution they look like they'd be fine. I never heard of them so something new to look for. If a used EIZO pops up might be worth looking into unless you were looking for something new. The Dell 2007fpb seems popular in retro circles, but those early LCD monitors have input delay, and I'm hearing mixed results about it.
@@VoidbrandGallery I have checked the manual for the Extron and it can upscale to that resolution and many others, obviously there'll be a slight distortion but it's good to know. User manual has all this kind of info.
@@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ You could buy the popular Dell P1917S (also 1280x1024) instead of the liyamas because they are IPS with fast response times and very low input lag. They also have high quality coating and colors pop a lot.
I guess a vrr oled with ossc could give a better result with pixelperfect screen. I am thinking about two ways… use the crt (i need a new desk) with retro speakers, or use a highend modern display with some studio monitors. I also have the dell 2007wp, the biggest issue is not the lag (who cares at a typical 20-30fps in dos), the background light is yellowish and it is a 60hz screen, the scroll is not nice. Recently i have bought a modern cheap dell pva - it was amiga compatible, native 70hz with smooth scroll, but yeah, compared to the ips the colors are washed out. The eizo would be better, but it is also not perfect with the 60hz (and i think it cannot accept the 15khz signal) - the perfect retro display does not exist.
Thanks. 💀 I gave it a try with my GPU (RTX 2080 Ti) and it doesn't look like it. Tried 1600x1200 75hz and it gave me a signal error when I was testing it.
@@VoidbrandGallery On the official website in specifications I can read that this display support Analog Scanning Frequency - up to 76Hz. Did you try to get 1600x1200 resolution with 76Hz (fps)? I think this is available with D-Sub mini 15 pin input.
@@nikitas.doroshenko I've no way to test with D-Sub unfortunately, just DisplayPort right now (using this as a second monitor for months now). It gives me a signal error with 1600x1200 @ 76hz. Someone else wanted me to try at 75hz and it gave me the same issue.
I have a 17-inch screen with a resolution of 1280 x 1024 and 5:4. Is there a game that does not support 5:4? It can be played, but with black spaces at the top and bottom to be like 16:9.
It should be fine. I have a 1280x1024 5:4 on my other PC and games work fine on it, with black bars top and bottom for some games if you can't choose a resolution and/or aspect ratio. I'm not sure if there's a game that doesn't support 5:4, but I've never ran into one.
I love that this monitor use Panasonic panel which can do 1500:1. a good CRT is pretty much extinct now and this is the best alternative way better than Dell 2007FPB that use a not so best LG panel.
Please stop this disinformation. There is no guarantee that EIZO still uses Panasonic panels. This is probably why EIZO doesn’t even publish such information as source for panels often changes. The model you saw, was tested in 2013. After reading Reddit, people say EIZO quality control went down. Just purchased two new. One has noticeable back light bleeding. Enter the panel number and you will see that it has been discontinued. Last shipment in 2020. However, EIZO could have stopped using them in their monitors years ago.
@@alpzepta Who called you a liar? You’ve just being ignorant. You are welcome for the information I provided. We need a tear down review of a modern model…But I guess nobody can afford it.
@@alpzepta That web site you posted. I just found out on it that EIZO uses LG panels for some other monitors too. May be even today they use LG for their S2133 as well. And for this new S2134…no way they are using Panasonic as Panasonic is out of business.
@@VoidbrandGallery Nice. I’ve bought two of these a week ago and one has a noticeable backlight bleeding in the right bottoms corner. The second one seems good. Perhaps, I didn’t get lucky with one of these. When was your model manufactured? It should say on the back of the monitor.
@@Igorsov Says 2022-5-17. Just sounds like bad panel luck. One commenter here awhile ago (pinned comment) mentioned he had 1-2 dead pixels top left, and backlight bleeding in the lower right corner. Only thing I can say is these monitors have a 5 year warranty, and they cover dead pixels iirc. Not sure about backlight. I know you probably bought used but there you go.
@@VoidbrandGallery Go it. Both of mine were manufactured in 2022 as well. In my case this backlight bleeding is not major too. As to dead pixels I haven’t tested mine. I am still happy. Thanks for your prompt response.
I understand that it’s necessary for retrogaming games, but damn fucking hell 1100 for a 4:3 display, no g-sync and shit is a fucking ripoff. The price is just unbelievable
Strangely you can often find it on eBay for 500 only. I bought mine for that much. Considering it's the only alternative for a good 21" Sony CRT, and considering the weight/space factor, it's a steal deal imo.
Feels weird to look up reviews of this monitor and come across my comment, haha! I now have two of these monitors. One black like yours and one with white bezels. The white one has 1-2 dead pixels at the top left but you really don't notice it when gaming. You state yours is perfect in terms of backlight bleed. Mine has a bit in the lower right corner but nothing major.
I have a lot of Eizo monitors. Some CRTs and some LCDs. The LCDs tend to gather a lot of dust between the panels inside which is a royal PITA! I would suggest to cover it up when not using it and take great care when transporting it (clean it before storing it for transport and use dust free materials to package it up).
Lovely presentation, subbed!
Whoa didn't think I'd see a comment from the one who I read the monitor comment from! I was really digging to see what I could learn about this monitor, especially in regards to input lag. Your comment about not feeling it in fighting games basically put me at ease. 👍
I'm really satisfied with this monitor. Been using it to revisit older games and I really have no complaints other than the price. That's a bummer with the 1-2 dead pixels though, I guess even EIZO isn't safe. :\
I didn't know EIZO had CRTs but I'm sure they don't make them anymore. I'll definitely keep in mind about the panel dust and transporting, as I may be moving sometime late in the year. I've been babying this thing as much as I could. I really hope EIZO continues making 4:3's in the future, or heck any other company, I still think there can be a use for these.
Thanks for the encouragement and support Pad, was surprised to see a notification for this. 👍
@@VoidbrandGallery Appreciate the kind words, you put a smile on my face when I saw my comment!😄 Yeah, the EIZO CRTs were proper beasts. Even bigger and chunkier compared to other CRTs but they were really well made. Unfortunately EIZO is probably the only company making 21 inch 4:3 LCDs. They also make another monitor which is a perfect square but it's extremely hard to get, the FlexScan EV2730Q. I will try and get one if I find it for a good price.
Apart from the price and the fact the EIZO S2133 doesn't support 50HZ - no Amiga core for example - it's a brilliant monitor. Do enjoy it and take really good care of it!
@@PadPoet Hi there. I'm also a happy owner of an S2133. There are other 21" 4:3s out there : Samsung 214 or Nec LCD2190UXp and p212. I have an LCD2190 and the Eizo is slightly better in my opinion. I have a few DELL 2007FPBs and the Eizo is still the best. Its truly awesome :) Thanks for the cool review and take care !
@@mutmut02_ Hey man. Yes, I also have a 2190UXp and also a 2180UXp. Never had a P212 though. Agree, the Eizo is the best of them all. All others besides the Eizo S2133 are really old monitors though so kind of expected this. You take care as well!
@@VoidbrandGallery240 works in vga 15khz?
Great review, thanks for posting this! It's nice to hear that perspective on why a 4:3 monitor is desirable. It actually surprises me how many people are totally cool with jail bars hugging their frame--it'd be too distracting for me.
You're welcome. Appreciate the comment.
Great review, thanks! Too bad other companies don't have at least one 4:3 monitor for the retro community. This niche needs a little bit more competition. A gloss screen OLED or QD-OLED would be amazing! And with variable refresh rate for odd arcades and pal/ntsc oddities.
You're welcome, I'm glad the video helped out. I wish there were more 4:3 monitors to choose from, but I guess there's just no money in it. A 4:3 OLED would be very nice. Maybe EIZO will start making some in the future, but it'll probably cost 10,000 dollars or something.
@@VoidbrandGallery Sorry for stupid question but how turn on scan line? And what system with this monitor pc with emulator or mister fpga?
@Evgen Priest No sorries needed, I can't remember if I mentioned it in the video, but I'm using emulators on a PC with this monitor. Mainly Kega Fusion, DuckStation, and PCSX2. As well as some computer games from gog.com. Kega Fusion and DuckStation has settings for scanlines which I use.
@@VoidbrandGallery Thanks, I will seek this emulator because my fceux havn' t this function, and picture very pixelize.
Thank you so much for this video. Very few reviews around, so much appreciated! Extremely expensive, but one of a kind these days sadly.
You're welcome, happy it helped. Wish more companies would go ahead and make a few of these at least
Thank you for making this. It was just what I was looking for :)
Great video. To notch video editing and the right voice.
bro. you're a lifesaver. I've been wanting a 4:3 monitor for ages. have been looking into getting a CRT. not even just for retro gaming but gaming in general. as a 2000s kid I feel like most games look and feel better when played on 4:3 resolutions, especially when paired up with a CRT shader via reshade. I like to pretend all the games I play are being played on my old console and tv setup. this monitor is perfect for this. I'm ordering one the week after next. thanks so much man!
p.s. I reckon if you uploaded some long form footage of gameplay on your channel when you can, that would do pretty well in terms of views. and you'd possibly start a new trend in regards to people wanting this monitor as its such a good alternative to a decent CRT. and more convenient
You're welcome. Appreciate the comment. It was my first video so I'm glad it helped out. I've been playing games on this monitor for my other channel, but not with the camera pointed at it. All I have is a phone to do videos like that with. But it's definitely an idea.
What about Eizo s2134? It has same aspect ratio, but has some better specs. And I believe the s2134 is flicker free while the s2133 is not flicker free (correct me if I am wrong)
@@VoidbrandGallery can I get a link to your other channel please mate?
@@ΠάνοςΒασιλειάδης-ω7φ I will most certainly look into this. thanks mate. a quick glance tells me you can get the s2134 for £200 less than the roughly £800 s2133 here in the uk, so thats a good start!
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I really appreciate your effort to make this video. Retro PC community should be much stronger and post more videos like this. I’ve just bought one of these brand new for 500 USD locally. I am thinking of getting one more just in case from the same local guy. I also have Dell 2007FPb, HP LP2065, NEC LCD2090UXi, EIZO S2100. I’ve been collecting the ones I’ve heard about, just missing NEC P212. Too bad I probably won’t be able to compare them. I don’t know how to do it right as well as not enough of free space and a bit lazy to do so…I’ll most likely to sell the rest and keep the EIZO S2133. I however noticed something, a 19” monitor might be a better choice for very old games, the bigger the screen size the worst these very old games look. I wouldn’t go for 17” as I care about my eyes. With that being said, 21” screens are also great.
Hey thanks, appreciate the comment a lot. 500 USD is great for this monitor. I had my sights on the 2007 FPb but wanted something more modern. Arcooda has a 4:3 IPS with HDMI that might be worth looking into, but the delivery time takes awhile.
@@VoidbrandGallery I am mostly into retro games, so I don’t really need the HDMI port. If you don’t mind me asking…Did you pay the retail price for it? I hope not.
@@VoidbrandGalleryJust received mine. It has backlight bleeding in two spots. It only visible on black background. Does yours have anything like that?
@@Igorsovdid you get a 2133 or 2134? New or used?
@@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ I’ve got 2 new S2133.
I have a 1280 x 1024 17" 75hz, beautiful for programming. Surfing on the web feels like everything is made for 5:4 or 4:3 monitors. Going to facebook marketplace, amazon and youtube is amazing too. Feels very easy in the eyes. I play Fornite, GTA V and Rocket League, and 75hz is great, all the minimaps can be easily located by your eyes, going to Facebook or other pages the side panels can be easily located in your eyes. That's the reason laptops, tablets and smartphone are popular, it's because everything is easily located by your eyes. 24" monitor 1080p 16:9 was a bad idea. TVs are for watching movies, PC is more than that
Video and Audio is absolutely on point 👌
Thanks for doing this!
I dig the use of Crusader music tracks. Imo maybe the best or at least in my top 5 of soundtracks ever made for any game.
I can definitely listen to both soundtracks without getting bored for sure.
Great video! I've got the 2007fpb myself. The lag is fine for me so long as I make sure nothing else is laggy, like I won't use bluetooth controllers with it. The Eizo looks great but I can't spend that kind of money. If one popped up used locally for a nice price I might buy it. What makes this difficult is most of the later 4:3 screens that might have had decent refresh rates were also extremely budget, so they're usually 1024x768 or something similar, not 1600x1200.
I used to always get 1920X1200 monitors so that I could run retro pc games in 3:4 resolutions with integer scaling. I used to have a Dell u2415 which was very good.
Before this I would retro game on a 2560x1440 monitor, with black bars on the side and it was fine. Something about not having black bars though, it's like stepping back to the mid late 2000s when I had ViewSonic 5:4, except with 4:3 this time.
Lower input latency is crucial for a good gaming experience and while the higher refresh rate does allow better input latency on paper it does not guarantee it. For example a 120Hz monitor with 28ms input latency will be at disadvantage compared to 10ms 60Hz monitor in fast paced multiplayer game despite the difference in the refresh rate.
A time between 2000-2010 some LCD monitors had very minimal input latency due to missing scalers but as the processing units were introduced the latency hit over 48ms at worst and 2010-2020 things got slowly considerable better. Still it's not unfortunately that uncommon to get 20ms input latency on average cheap monitor though.
I am seriously considering buying the S2134 refresh
that's not a refresh. it's the same monitor, just different model numbers.
@@strictlynineties Maybe. Looking at the specifications it seems to have had a number of upgrades
@@strictlyninetiesAccording to some specs I’ve seen, the EIZO S2134 has a higher level of brightness and contrast 1800:1 versus 1500:1 on the EIZO S2133. Which will be better in very bright rooms. Other then that it seems to be the same.
It noce that you can still get these and are made to this day, even acer has a couple models in 5 4 or 4 3 and offer the latest video connections, i think they are better for internet, file, and chat boxes for streaming. Some games that have limiting resolutions work wonders with these screens. 16 x 9 is the default now and uktrawide becoming more and more popular. 4x3 i dont think will go anywhere or die out just yet if there is still a demand for them
Beautiful. Hope to get one soon.
I have a Dell U2412M monitor. It is a 16:10 ratio with a resolution of 1920x1200. Like the 2007Fpb the panel is IPS which has good viewing angles. It is also LED backlit so it doesn't wear out anywhere as bad as old CCFL backlighting like my old 2007Fpb did. There is a feature to set the ratio to 4:3 so you can input any resulation upto 1600x1200 although it does not get on with the game with Psycho Pinball due to it's odd resolution.. If you have the psysical space and don't mind having the black borders on the left and right hand side this would also be an ideal cheaper alternative.
Thanks for making this video. Can you comment on how you find the monitor for general computing (browsing the web, reading text, etc)? I've heard it said that the 4:3 ratio is better for productivity than widescreen ratios, but I'm not sure how true that is.
You're welcome. I heard the same, but I personally don't really find myself using it for web browsing that much unless my 1440p monitor is occupied with video editing or something. I wouldn't want to watch TH-cam videos on it because of the black bars on the top and bottom, but there's some cases where a video is in 4:3 and it'll fit the entire screen which is nice (a lot of the games I play and upload here and the other channel would fit a 4:3 monitor).
I find it perfectly fine if this was my only monitor though, I originally had this connected to a separate PC for old gaming and web browsing and didn't have any complaints with any websites I visited. Personally prefer to do spreadsheets on a 4:3 than 16:9 too.
I had a similar model of this and noticed it had alot of ghosting it was very noticable in fast paced arcade racers like NFS Underground
Another drawback of the 2007fp(b) is that they can develop a yellow tint
TBH its a lot of money.
as a retro gamer, i would just get a dell ultrasharp or a nice nec 1600x1200.
i honestly do not see how this monitor justifies that price!
Just scored one on fb marketplace for $5 last week. 🎉
Excellent. That's a big score.
i did snatch an Eizo FlexScan S2133 in white for 50 bucks im in retro heaven
The white looks very nice. Enjoy it. Playing native 4:3 games and retro games on this display is something else.
even from your phone the picture looks crisp
That's good to know. I was comparing it side to side afterwards and the monitor really looks better in comparison. The monitor from the phone looks more "washed out" or brighter, even just comparing my Crusader videos to this one.
Great review. Does it have minijack 3.5 input and output?
Thanks man. It doesn't look like it. Just the inputs in the back from the video, and 2 USB 2.0 downstream ports on the left side.
@@VoidbrandGallery thanks man! Is it possible to route the audio via one of the downstream USBs to a DAC for example? I'm super interested in this monitor
@Borgzz That's a good question... I have no idea. I have never used these ports before.
superuser.com/questions/856297/what-do-the-upstream-downstream-usb-ports-on-a-monitor-do
Reading through this says that any USB connecting device would work on it, as long as it stays within the power specs. But I've never used a DAC. Definitely double check before getting this monitor. Is there another LCD display you can test out? Upstream is USB 2.0: Type-B, and the downstream ports are USB 2.0: Type-A, so if it works on another monitor I don't see why it won't work on this one.
@@VoidbrandGallerythanks for the help man:) I looked into it more and I am more sure this won't work. My best bet Is to find an HDMi extractor (I am playing on a modded N64 with hdmi output) for the N64, split the hdmi signal into HDMI (video) and toslink for audio. The toslink signal will feed my DAC with sound but I would even use a HDMi to DVI-D adapter. A lot of tbings can go wrong if some elements don't support each other. I did find another monitor that has really nice specs and that is the Beetronics 19" monitor. I've never heard of this company but the monitor's specs seems on par with the Eizo :)
@Borgzz I never heard of them either, but if they got what you want then it should all work out. It's good to see some non-widescreen monitors still being made.
Fortunately I bought this brand new for $393.. ^^ For reference, the regular price in Korea is $1060.
That's a steal for this kind of monitor. That's awesome. Hope you'll be as satisfied with it as I am. 👍
Honestly, that's a steal for this monitor!
I managed tp grab the 2100 model real cheap ( 40 dollars used) its the same monitor but with cfl backlight. Maybe budget starved ppl might consider it
Just looked it up. No DisplayPort but old GPUs are plentiful I think. That's a great deal.
yes 2100 only has 2xdvi and vga. Dvi seem to be there to this day@@VoidbrandGallery
is there a considerable difference between the 2100 and 2133 ?
thanks for review bro.... from south korea. as you told, there is no review of S2133..(maybe not only TH-cam..) so it is very helpful.
so tell me your score out of 100 for playing retro game performance(dont think about price). (I am playing pcsx2, MAME...)
one more question pls~ is it good for web surfing? in case it's pivot mode.
Thanks man, I'm glad the video helped out. I bought this for emulation, so it's perfect for your use case (10/10). PCSX2 is one of the programs I use + Kega Fusion, Duckstation, & DOSBox. No issues with any of them.
And yes it's good for web surfing. Sometimes I prefer it because my main monitor is 1440p and I have to scale the text a little in a web browser.
Got a eizo s2134 since a year or so, colors and quality are the best in any 4:3 aspect ratio monitor by far, play PC old games in it is glorious, also my X6800 look amazing using with its XRP-4, but, and this is a BIG BUTT, the monitor is not compatible with OSSC or Framemeister, I always use upscaler on it the image freeze randomly making play anything upscaled imposible, also from OSSC 5x un 240p upscaled games always end in a signal error, I dont understand why, upscale 240p on 5X delivers exactly a 1600x1200 resolution. Anyone having same issue? Any solution to upscale games in this monitor?
Hi, awesome video i just got a 15 benq 4:3 lcd but its too small so what monitor would you recommend thats 21 inches i cant find your model for sale online, would it be a small difference getting a 20 inch from nec for example?
Hey there, thanks. They still have this model available on bhphotovideo it looks like, but availability is 2-4 weeks it seems: www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1044684-REG/eizo_s2133_bk_21_3_thin_bezel_clear.html
If you can get a 20 inch NEC I'd go with that, since it's much cheaper. Unless you're like me and really wanted a monitor with DisplayPort. 20 inches is fine, I'd be ok with it especially if you're using it on a computer desk.
@@VoidbrandGallery 1100 thats pricy :O, i am from europe there is a online store here selling the eizo for 800 but its still out of my budget, and yeah i dont need displayport, havent found any nec ips on ebay :( but i found a barco 21 inch thats ips the response time is 8 ms i might go for that, what do you think?
@@martiniusengeland2633 Wow never heard of that brand. Looks like it's 1600x1200 too if I found the right model. I guess it would depend on what kind of games you play if you can find out what the input lag is like. That's what I looked for before buying the Eizo.
@@VoidbrandGallery Yeah im planning to play most genre except fps games: ps1 games, 2d retro consoles to 32 bit and windows 98 and xp era games, barco input lag seems fine i might buy one next month if the seller accept returns if the input lag is too much i will just return it and wait til i can afford the eizo in january.
What game is that song from at the end of the video?
It sounds like something Hitoshi Sakimoto composed for Tactics Ogre or FFT.
If it's the gameplay bit at the end with me not talking, it's the Crusader: No Remorse/No Regret ending theme I believe.
i hope to get one of these
Eizo is great for professional use, but for the same price target why not considering an Arcooda 20139 which has 15kHz / 24kHz, HDMI, better response time and support for almost every of resolution?
does the bracket allows you to rotate counterclock wise? it would be cool to play vertical shooter on it.
but the thing is sometimes some games only has a counterclock orientation in the game option.
Only clockwise. Just tested it out earlier
Amazing monitor, i cant afford it though sadly. Do you think the Eizo flexscan s1934 would make a good retro gaming windows xp monitor? Ive also been looking at some NEC 5:4 monitors theyre still selling on B&H
I checked it out. Response time looks a bit high (14ms), and I have no idea how high the input lag would be.
I think 5:4 monitors are nice as long as people are ok with black bars for non 5:4 games. I see the S2133 go for about 300-500 on eBay if that's still an option.
@@VoidbrandGallerynot sure why youtube doesn’t notify me on responses anymore but thanks so much for looking into that for me, i will definitely try to find one on eBay
Should be nice with an upscaler and scan line mod plugged into an old console?
Looks like it would work with the Retrotink 5x Pro upscaler from reading this reddit thread: www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/pmiemo/retrotink_5x_scanlines_on_dell_vga_monitor/
He's using it through VGA on a 1600x1200 Dell monitor.
This user here is having trouble with the OSSC upscaler with a lot of brand monitors including EIZO: videogameperfection.com/forums/topic/cannot-get-5x-1600x1200-working-on-different-monitors-cables/
The EIZO S2133 doesn't support 50hz though, so I guess it would depend on the console's region.
@@VoidbrandGallery I have an Extron upscaler (DVS 304) and I plan to use it with a Sync Strike on the input and the Scanline generator on the output, both by Arcadeforge (haven't bought yet just have the upscaler).
I already have two very good CRT's but it is difficult to justify them if I can find a modern 4:3 LCD panel like the one you reviewed.
There is a cheaper alternative for someone wanting a 4:3 modern LCD (also rotates), the Iiyama B1780SD (17") and B1980D (19"), which you can get brand new easily. They both have a response time of 5ms, although obviously the picture quality wont quite be up to the Eizo's standard.
I've looked around and I can get the Iiyamas brand new for ~£150 or the Eizo brand new for ~£650... that's quite a stark difference so I would love to hear from someone who has compared them.
Those monitors are in 5:4 1280x1024 resolution according to the website specs. If the Extron can upscale to that resolution they look like they'd be fine. I never heard of them so something new to look for.
If a used EIZO pops up might be worth looking into unless you were looking for something new. The Dell 2007fpb seems popular in retro circles, but those early LCD monitors have input delay, and I'm hearing mixed results about it.
@@VoidbrandGallery I have checked the manual for the Extron and it can upscale to that resolution and many others, obviously there'll be a slight distortion but it's good to know. User manual has all this kind of info.
@@ΔαυίδΠριδεαυξ You could buy the popular Dell P1917S (also 1280x1024) instead of the liyamas because they are IPS with fast response times and very low input lag. They also have high quality coating and colors pop a lot.
I guess a vrr oled with ossc could give a better result with pixelperfect screen. I am thinking about two ways… use the crt (i need a new desk) with retro speakers, or use a highend modern display with some studio monitors. I also have the dell 2007wp, the biggest issue is not the lag (who cares at a typical 20-30fps in dos), the background light is yellowish and it is a 60hz screen, the scroll is not nice. Recently i have bought a modern cheap dell pva - it was amiga compatible, native 70hz with smooth scroll, but yeah, compared to the ips the colors are washed out. The eizo would be better, but it is also not perfect with the 60hz (and i think it cannot accept the 15khz signal) - the perfect retro display does not exist.
Is it possible to overclock the refresh rate using a modern graphics card? Great review btw.
Thanks. 💀 I gave it a try with my GPU (RTX 2080 Ti) and it doesn't look like it. Tried 1600x1200 75hz and it gave me a signal error when I was testing it.
@@VoidbrandGallery thank you very much
@@VoidbrandGallery I do remember finding a forum post where someone was able to overclock to 1600x1200 70hz in windows but gave errors in DOS games.
Wich is better an Ezio with 1600x1200 or a Dell 2007fbp?
Eizo all the way. Panasonic panel are way superior than LG panel use on Dell monitors
@@alpzeptaWhere did you get information that Eizo uses Panasonic panels?
@@Igorsov displayspecifications Website
@@Igorsovdisplayspecifications
@@alpzepta It doesn’t tell you, unless of course you can provide a link. I’ve checked everything before I purchased mine.
Have you tried this monitor with a Mister, any feedback?
Hi, thank you for reviewing.
Are you still enjoying this monitor? I'm interested in buying this one for retro gaming as well.
I'm still enjoying it quite a bit. I've had it for several months and still have no complaints with it. No dead pixels or issues cropped up.
@@VoidbrandGallery On the official website in specifications I can read that this display support Analog Scanning Frequency - up to 76Hz.
Did you try to get 1600x1200 resolution with 76Hz (fps)? I think this is available with D-Sub mini 15 pin input.
@@nikitas.doroshenko I've no way to test with D-Sub unfortunately, just DisplayPort right now (using this as a second monitor for months now). It gives me a signal error with 1600x1200 @ 76hz. Someone else wanted me to try at 75hz and it gave me the same issue.
thoughts on use now?
does the
Not at all. I'm still loving the monitor since I made this video.
WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE
I would love to own one but its bugs me that it's only 60hz. 120hz is a maybe for me but at 240hz it'd be a yes from me.
Hi! What's the name of the song that plays between 0:42 and 3:36? It's awesome!
Rebel Base 1 from Crusader: No Remorse. th-cam.com/video/KNZo8fuSKhY/w-d-xo.html
@@VoidbrandGallery thank you! I played the game itself in the past, but without a sound card : )
私は買いました❗😊
how are you likin git
I have a 17-inch screen with a resolution of 1280 x 1024 and 5:4. Is there a game that does not support 5:4? It can be played, but with black spaces at the top and bottom to be like 16:9.
It should be fine. I have a 1280x1024 5:4 on my other PC and games work fine on it, with black bars top and bottom for some games if you can't choose a resolution and/or aspect ratio. I'm not sure if there's a game that doesn't support 5:4, but I've never ran into one.
@@VoidbrandGallery if i play some games don't support 5:4 ratio i will have black bars in top and bottom yes????
I love that this monitor use Panasonic panel which can do 1500:1. a good CRT is pretty much extinct now and this is the best alternative way better than Dell 2007FPB that use a not so best LG panel.
Please stop this disinformation. There is no guarantee that EIZO still uses Panasonic panels. This is probably why EIZO doesn’t even publish such information as source for panels often changes. The model you saw, was tested in 2013. After reading Reddit, people say EIZO quality control went down. Just purchased two new. One has noticeable back light bleeding. Enter the panel number and you will see that it has been discontinued. Last shipment in 2020. However, EIZO could have stopped using them in their monitors years ago.
@@Igorsov feel free to correct the information but don't call me a liar
@@alpzepta Who called you a liar? You’ve just being ignorant. You are welcome for the information I provided. We need a tear down review of a modern model…But I guess nobody can afford it.
@@alpzepta That web site you posted. I just found out on it that EIZO uses LG panels for some other monitors too. May be even today they use LG for their S2133 as well. And for this new S2134…no way they are using Panasonic as Panasonic is out of business.
Do you have any backlight bleeding on yours?
None at all. And no dead pixels. I've been using this monitor for over a year practically daily and no issues yet.
@@VoidbrandGallery Nice. I’ve bought two of these a week ago and one has a noticeable backlight bleeding in the right bottoms corner. The second one seems good. Perhaps, I didn’t get lucky with one of these. When was your model manufactured? It should say on the back of the monitor.
@@Igorsov Says 2022-5-17. Just sounds like bad panel luck. One commenter here awhile ago (pinned comment) mentioned he had 1-2 dead pixels top left, and backlight bleeding in the lower right corner. Only thing I can say is these monitors have a 5 year warranty, and they cover dead pixels iirc. Not sure about backlight. I know you probably bought used but there you go.
@@VoidbrandGallery Go it. Both of mine were manufactured in 2022 as well. In my case this backlight bleeding is not major too. As to dead pixels I haven’t tested mine. I am still happy. Thanks for your prompt response.
People hyping these 4:3 lcd monitors is such cope lol you know y'all want a crt
Que solo tenga 60 hz no es algo significativo. no considero que sea una desventaja.
I understand that it’s necessary for retrogaming games, but damn fucking hell 1100 for a 4:3 display, no g-sync and shit is a fucking ripoff. The price is just unbelievable
Strangely you can often find it on eBay for 500 only. I bought mine for that much.
Considering it's the only alternative for a good 21" Sony CRT, and considering the weight/space factor, it's a steal deal imo.