One of the reasons I chose the shaper is also that the cutting action is more smooth. A mill hammers its way through the material, while the shaper acts much more silently - and doesn't throw chips absolutely everywhere, but just in one direction instead.
I’m so glad you discovered the three pass cut mystery. It’s been haunting me since I got my shaper. You mentioned it a few months ago. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
I now have a shaper, I am at the repair and paint stage. When you start a cut you often wind the ratchet with the handle, click click click. I used to think you were hurrying to the cut but now I think maybe you are looking for some resistance from the nut. The ratchet needs something to push against if it is to lift and disengage. They are fascinating machines to watch. Lots of fun 😁
Thanks again. I also found the sticky oil on the clapper problem. Now clean it with kerosene before use, and put the sticky oil back on before it goes to bed. i have been using 30w engine oil mixed with chainsaw bar oil. Very sticky. Cheers
That is a very nice small bandsaw! Very handy for the small workshop. Sorry, I don't always have the time to look at your channel but I do eventually watch them.
I think you are a shaper wizard! I appreciate your approach to using this machine and explaining how to adjust and change things when they go wrong. One day I may have one of these machines, but, I enjoy learning from your experiences. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Cheers from Canada!
Thank you for another great video, full of ideas and information. My own bandsaw might be different to yours yet I too suffer with similar problems holding stock, especially short pieces. I am definitely going to try making new jaws. Thank you Michel for the inspiration. 👏👏👍😀 Andrew
Great video! I wondered why my machine would cut and then not cut exactly how you described. Thank you for that. My machine is apart and I'm moving, but I can't wait to fix that. Also, I can't wait to try cutting the square like you described. Keep up the great info.....
Given machines capable of equal accuracy a Shaper can often make flatter surfaces than a mill with a fly cutter because a mill that is even slightly out of tram with a fly cutter will cut a surface with a hollow area in the center of the "flat" surface due to the radius of the fly cutter. The more out of tram the greater the width and depth of the hollow. A large fly cutter in a mill slightly out of tram will result in a wide cut with a deeper hollow in the center, the same machine with a small diameter fly cutter will require several passes to machine the same area and will result in a small hollow in the center of each pass. The bottom line is that if you use a fly cutter you must be certain that the machine is in perfect tram in order to achieve the flattest surface possible. Another option is many passes with a small diameter end mill which results is a generally flat surface with many small hollows along the axis of the cut, something akin to a scraped surface, but of course not as accurate.
Thats a lovely little bandsaw, seems quite surprising that the jaws were made so far away. You made the solution look easy, well done. I really enjoyed the slowed down video on the shaper cuts, the sound recording was excellent. I wonder whether you detected the clapper box sticking problem this way, I would hazard a guess that it would make a different sound with the sticky oil. The shaper test that you showed at the end reminded me of a task that we were set as apprentices to makes a Tee piece and mating part that had to fit perfectly in every orientation, we had to do it by filing. The best part of the job was checking the gaps, To get the best light we always went to the window ..... just as the girls were walking in to the college!! Good luck from Spain!!
Nice upgrade. Shows again the utility of the shaper. Making some table stops has been on my project list for a long time but still not done 😒 The haircut suits you - by the way. Cheers
Hi Michel ☺, thanks for another interesting video mate, nice job on the new jaws, and the saw cuts alot truer now, well worth doing, surprising how much quicker the shaper was. Cheers , stay safe my friend, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Great upgrade on the bandsaw, fully theorised, as per expected in a Rustinox video 📹 👏 👍 😀. I see you have had a "Head Stretch ", nick name for a haircut. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for a well filmed and composed video. Thanks for the video! It made me remember a similar project, partly done, but forgotten. It's not the same versatile, the same advanced. Hope to send You some pics when it's finished. On the account of easy, jokes from the heart.... Do You know about a show named "Deadliest Catch", American crab fishermen and a captain called "Wild Bill"? Regarding the hair, in the past, You looked like brothers. The pandemic made me abandon "Rashids scissors" cutting the hair myself...... Have You got a new lady friend? Pure joke! No answer requested!! Time 10:50 and on. That looks like a heavy cut according to the chips. Impressive. -Comparing with the mill, why not using a face milling head having 4 cutters or more? Joking again... Having no floor space left, would bolting a shaper to the ceiling work???? Time 11:47. How to do an impossible drilling. It's like the Columbus egg... Brilliant! Time 18:15. Well done, great design. Cheers Michel.
@@RustinoxThe same, here, single. Housing the shop in the kitchen, spending lots of time as a professional amateur train driver on some veteran railroads gives no place for a lady....
Good Job Son Good Job The shaper would would always be my first option they are so relaxing to see running and you are a master with them Kurtis over at CEE has a KLOPP 1000 that takes longer to make 1 stroke than it took you to finish the job But bigger is not better (: 👍👍👍👍👍
One of the reasons I chose the shaper is also that the cutting action is more smooth. A mill hammers its way through the material, while the shaper acts much more silently - and doesn't throw chips absolutely everywhere, but just in one direction instead.
Absolutely right :)
👏👏👏 Well done Michel! My Lewis Shaper says Thank You! You are educating its owner and it is appreciated.
You and "Lewis" will have lots of good times together.
Yeeper's, It was do to Rusty and Pete 222 that hooked me on shapers. Ours is 450mm but rusti gets a lot done at 200mm (@@)!
This is where some old skool proper German engineering works it's wonders! Thank you for sharing, Michel!
Thanks Dudley. But only the Deckel is German :-)
Always a pleasure to spend time in your shop......
Welcome.
great video and great haircut. Always love the shaper tips. Thanks for bringing us along.
Thanks Terry. My pleasure.
I’m so glad you discovered the three pass cut mystery. It’s been haunting me since I got my shaper. You mentioned it a few months ago. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
The "three pass cut mystery"... That's a good one. I love it :)
Nice improvement and upgrade..new jaws turned out great. Enjoyed the little competition between the mill and shaper 👍👍
Good one Rusty !
Copetition with no winner. Just for fun :-)
Hello Michel,
Good video... a good lesson for the shaper owners and a set of jaws for the saw as well. Have a good weekend.
Cheers.
Paul,,
Thanks Paul.
Very interesting Rustinox, great little bandsaw now you've improved it. Tony
Thanks Tony.
Nice upgrade to your bandsaw and you made it fun for everyone.
Thanks Allen.
Hey you got a hair cut and I think it looks a lot better. Oh and great work on the vise as well.
Impossible to hide anything from you, Harold :-)
I now have a shaper, I am at the repair and paint stage. When you start a cut you often wind the ratchet with the handle, click click click. I used to think you were hurrying to the cut but now I think maybe you are looking for some resistance from the nut. The ratchet needs something to push against if it is to lift and disengage. They are fascinating machines to watch. Lots of fun 😁
Welcome to the shaper owners club.
Ah, a new shoper owner. That's good news. You will have lots of good times with it.
It is very expensive, all my tools are metric and it is covered in Imperial taper pins. So many sizes 😆
Thanks again. I also found the sticky oil on the clapper problem. Now clean it with kerosene before use, and put the sticky oil back on before it goes to bed. i have been using 30w engine oil mixed with chainsaw bar oil. Very sticky. Cheers
That is a very nice small bandsaw! Very handy for the small workshop. Sorry, I don't always have the time to look at your channel but I do eventually watch them.
Take your time. There's no hurry :-)
Hi Rusti, great update to the bandsaw. I channeled a direct message to me at the end of your video lol. Understood! Cheers, Jon
There are a lot of people out there restoring a shaper, or just started to operate one. I hope it can be useful to someone.
Thanks for the vid Michel, have a nice weekend!
Thanks Howie.
I think you are a shaper wizard! I appreciate your approach to using this machine and explaining how to adjust and change things when they go wrong. One day I may have one of these machines, but, I enjoy learning from your experiences. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Cheers from Canada!
One day you will have your own shaper, I'm sure.
Thank you for another great video, full of ideas and information.
My own bandsaw might be different to yours yet I too suffer with similar problems holding stock, especially short pieces. I am definitely going to try making new jaws. Thank you Michel for the inspiration.
👏👏👍😀
Andrew
Go for it, Andrew.
@@Rustinox Definitely 👏👏👍😀
G'day Rusti. Thanks for the clapper tip, it would have been a head scratching dilemma. Well done making the jaws.
Cheers Peter
Always practical and functional!
That's the way to go...
Great video! I wondered why my machine would cut and then not cut exactly how you described. Thank you for that. My machine is apart and I'm moving, but I can't wait to fix that. Also, I can't wait to try cutting the square like you described. Keep up the great info.....
Keep us informed, jster1963. ATB with the move.
@@Rustinox Will do.
Another interesting project,thanks for your thoughts and time.
Thanks SteveD
Thanks for sharing! Very fun video!
Thanks Sam.
Given machines capable of equal accuracy a Shaper can often make flatter surfaces than a mill with a fly cutter because a mill that is even slightly out of tram with a fly cutter will cut a surface with a hollow area in the center of the "flat" surface due to the radius of the fly cutter. The more out of tram the greater the width and depth of the hollow. A large fly cutter in a mill slightly out of tram will result in a wide cut with a deeper hollow in the center, the same machine with a small diameter fly cutter will require several passes to machine the same area and will result in a small hollow in the center of each pass. The bottom line is that if you use a fly cutter you must be certain that the machine is in perfect tram in order to achieve the flattest surface possible. Another option is many passes with a small diameter end mill which results is a generally flat surface with many small hollows along the axis of the cut, something akin to a scraped surface, but of course not as accurate.
You're right. But I suppose for vice jaws, this will do :-)
Great job Michel
Nice tip on the clapper box
cheers
Kev
Thanks Kev.
Thats a lovely little bandsaw, seems quite surprising that the jaws were made so far away. You made the solution look easy, well done.
I really enjoyed the slowed down video on the shaper cuts, the sound recording was excellent. I wonder whether you detected the clapper box sticking problem this way, I would hazard a guess that it would make a different sound with the sticky oil.
The shaper test that you showed at the end reminded me of a task that we were set as apprentices to makes a Tee piece and mating part that had to fit perfectly in every orientation, we had to do it by filing. The best part of the job was checking the gaps, To get the best light we always went to the window ..... just as the girls were walking in to the college!!
Good luck from Spain!!
Ah yes, hand filing in school. I think we all did our overdose...
Nice upgrade. Shows again the utility of the shaper. Making some table stops has been on my project list for a long time but still not done 😒 The haircut suits you - by the way. Cheers
Thanks Paul.
Good video as usual, good tip for the shaper
Hi Michel ☺, thanks for another interesting video mate, nice job on the new jaws, and the saw cuts alot truer now, well worth doing, surprising how much quicker the shaper was. Cheers , stay safe my friend, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Thanks Stuart.
Great upgrade on the bandsaw, fully theorised, as per expected in a Rustinox video 📹 👏 👍 😀.
I see you have had a "Head Stretch ", nick name for a haircut.
Thanks for sharing.
Love your pronunciation of jaws.
Try this
Say Doors - then change D to G.
Say Goors- this one sounds great 👍
Nice work!
Jaws...
My one needs those as well ! 👍
Wow, nice hair cut. First thing I noticed, what a deal.
Lol.
Nice one Michel. I’ve got the exact same bandsaw at home. I’ll look at a similar upgrade mate 👍🍻. Cheers Aaron
Go for it. It's worth the effort.
thanks ,again a great video
Thanks Ludo.
I like following and trying things you do but no damn way I'm cutting my hair! Another great video.
I suppose no one is asking you to have a hair cut :)
@@Rustinox Yes, it was a joke. That aside I think your long hair suited you well.
Good video!!
Thanks Don.
good video rustinox
Thanks.
I like it. Got to do the same thing to my bandsaw. Gilles
There's more than one way to skin a cat, lol.. great video rusty,keep'um coming.
Thanks.
I"n surprised that while you had the jaws in the shaper, that you didn't cut some horizontal groves on one jaw to help with work-holding,
👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks Joel.
Thanks for a well filmed and composed video.
Thanks for the video! It made me remember a similar project, partly done, but forgotten.
It's not the same versatile, the same advanced. Hope to send You some pics when it's finished.
On the account of easy, jokes from the heart....
Do You know about a show named "Deadliest Catch", American crab fishermen and a captain called "Wild Bill"? Regarding the hair, in the past, You looked like brothers.
The pandemic made me abandon "Rashids scissors" cutting the hair myself......
Have You got a new lady friend? Pure joke! No answer requested!!
Time 10:50 and on. That looks like a heavy cut according to the chips. Impressive. -Comparing with the mill, why not using a face milling head having 4 cutters or more?
Joking again... Having no floor space left, would bolting a shaper to the ceiling work????
Time 11:47. How to do an impossible drilling. It's like the Columbus egg... Brilliant!
Time 18:15. Well done, great design.
Cheers Michel.
Bolting the shaper upside down on the ceiling could help to clear the chips.
And, yes, I'm still single... by choice :)
@@RustinoxThe same, here, single. Housing the shop in the kitchen, spending lots of time as a professional amateur train driver on some veteran railroads gives no place for a lady....
Good Job Son Good Job
The shaper would would always be my first option they are so relaxing to see running and you are a master with them
Kurtis over at CEE has a KLOPP 1000 that takes longer to make 1 stroke than it took you to finish the job
But bigger is not better (: 👍👍👍👍👍
The longer stroke looks slow, but the cutting speed is the same.
Have you considered a coolant system for the saw?
No way. It makes a terrible mess.
With an 4 flute 50mm rughing mill it's 4 times faster
But the finish is not so good
My machine isn'd rigid enough to run big endmills.
@@Rustinox it's not really big
50mm
This should be ok for the FP 1
I’air tres distingue avec votre coupe de cheveux.
Lol. Thanks.
Ha ha, the shaper is the speedier machine. Who says shapers are slow?
Shapers are not slow. It"s the person that operates it.
Great food for thought! Enjoyed watching, BTW, nice hair cut.
Thanks John.
Great tips and good shop improvements Michel. 🔧⚒🔩
Thanks Randy.