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@Joshua Fluke , America is a socialist nation for the wealthy and established, in all honesty we have more socialistic operations than most socialistic nations, and we also train people to bash socialism so they can ask for less.
just some food for thought!
So irritated with my husband's company cause he get 14 days, im like wtf that's not vacation....
Josh, tell us about taxes as an Expat American… FBAR AND FATCA
@@AngryVet44 I didn't live there long enough or make enough to pay taxes back to the US.
Hey Josh,
Your Calendly link is broken.
Greetz from GER
"Hey boss, can I take 3 days off to attend my Dad's funeral?" Boss: "Sorry. I know your family is important and I respect your time, but we have an important deadline this week and we need you to be a team player. As you know, team players are the ones who get ahead in this company." Two months later - Boss: "Son, we appreciate all your sacrifices, but business is very slow, so we're going to have to let you go. Sorry."
I mean your dad ain’t going anywhere you can visit him next week after your overtime on the weekend.
@@stalksover8409 You went deep into the rabbit hole.
@@L3r4k 6 feet deep?
@@stalksover8409 Wow. Oh my god lmao
@@stalksover8409 Yep. And I don't think his dad will complain about him being a week late for his family meeting. I even believe his father won't even notice that he didn't go to this meeting.
I work for the Texas government. My supervisor likes to scold me for leaving at 5pm every day. Which is the time the day ends. I pick my ass up from my chair and walk out at 5 every day. This bothers her so much. She likes to imply that I am not working as hard as I could. She is also available after hours around the clock and will send emails and work from home in her spare time and act like that is normal. She went on vacation and the whole time she had a work laptop with her to check in with us. It's a sick mentality. I'm 27, the youngest in my office. I'm not going to be a corporate or government shill like the generations before me. Call gen Y and Z lazy, but y'all boomers just mad we ain't nobody's fool.
One of my favorite lines to say to my managers: "if you don't like the quality of my work, you can fire me, don't waste my time. Chop chop with the last cheque."
@asdrubale bisanzio uhhh no, their killing the American work ethic industry which I for one am all for lol.
I filled out a customer service survey and surprisingly someone responded.
The district manager replied and said she will follow up with the store and she also mentioned she is out having surgery.
I'm like damn lady take care of yourself. My complaint can wait 😂.
I would never be that loyal and work like that. Those people are insane!
@asdrubale bisanzio I highly disagree.
They are killing the idea that more hours worked is equivalent to working harder.
They are also killing the idea of "You are always available for work and the company owns you".
Which I am all for.
Sounds like a toxic workaholic boss. I discovered over time in my career if I end up working for one of those to just find another job. It’s only a matter of time before it gets worse. It’s like work is their identity or they have no actual life outside of it so they literally live to work like a religion. It’s sad. If you’re not getting paid by the hour there’s no reason to put in “extra time” or stay later if all your work is done.
This is part of why companies have such low retention. People create their own vacation by taking breaks between job switches, and then come back to a decent raise.
But having a work gap is seen as a negative thing for these damn recruiters/companies. I was going to take two month vacation but I was advised not to bc I may struggle finding my next job bc of the work gap. Perhaps I’ll do it once I get more experience in my field.
@@karinaf8326 Just say you stayed at the previous company for those 2 extra months on your resume and linkedin
@@SqueakySassy but when the new company call your past employers they can legally ask for how long I was employed at the prior company right? Then I will get caught lying.
@@karinaf8326
Watch Joshua Flukes videos on it. Companies usually don't call previous bosses, but just in case, you can get a friend to pretend to be the "boss" during the phone call.
@@karinaf8326 It will still get you farther into the interviewing process, making the company more invested in you because of time and effort already spent, and hopefully by that point they've found things about you that they like or are interested in. You can and prob should explain the discrepancy in an in person interview when it comes up.
The problem with only one or two weeks vacation is the almost constant awareness during your vacation of how few precious days you have left before the END of your vacation.
Hahaha
Spot on! I go on vacation once per year with my wife and once to see family. At the end of the second one, an overwhelming feeling of dread to the point of being sick hits me. I fear that I will be on my deathbed someday feeling horrible about not spending more time with family.
Unlimited PTO in Corporate America IS a trap. You’re shamed for wanting time off, but encouraged to take it, then told you can’t take it at that time, and when you finally get the time off they still contact you to work on your vacation.
This is why I don’t work for corporate anymore lol
Right on, HR for not taking vacation, then prohibited from taking vacation due to endless deadline cycles
What companies should people consider that are not in corporate and still pays well at entry level?
Yeah this is why I'm leaving corporate jobs asap. Its not worth it. Its like high school bullying at a larger scale.
Also if youre entry level, there is basically no time off ever or you'll miss your rent 😪😪
Reminds me when we were bought by a US company and the US-based HR sent a mass email saying all leave was cancelled until further notice. They were promptly reminded that it's not how it works here in the EU and that they'd be welcome to argue their case in the labour courts if any disciplinary actions / dismissals are taken due to people taking their leave.
Iirc, 90% of staff quit within 60 days after that incident, myself included.
Same sh*t happens with unions. US comapnies would rather shut down an entire brange instead of allowing them to join a union. That sh*t would fly in the EU.
As an American living in Europe, this is one of the reasons I'll probably never move back to the US. I really enjoy my six weeks of vacation here.
How bad are the ex-pat tax requirements?
Don't you miss owning a car and being able to go on road trips?
@@nikoleigraham8747 Am I missing something? Driving from the uk back home to Poland tommrow lol😂😂
Six weeks vacation? *Cries in latin america
Is your take home salary comparable to America?
"I do like America. I like this country. It's got a lot of pros, but it's also got its cons." Yeh, a lot of those cons are the ones running the show in the US. lol
@asdrubale bisanzio The biggest criminals wear suits and ties.
Facts.
Lol was that a CONgress joke?
all voted by the people 😔
@@frogery not the majority. non voters are bigger than the R's and D's combined.
When talking about Germany not using sick days for vacation you could have mentioned that if we get sick WHILE on vacation we can call in sick so not to lose a vacation day. And 20 days is rare. 25 to 30 plus public holidays is more common.
Same in UK.
Some companies in the US take away your sick days if you take them next to a holiday.
What does one even do when they have vacation 3 times a year?
@@connorskudlarek8598 The fact that you even ask is quite sad.
@@Oneofakind123 I agree. I get 3 weeks of vacation at my employer, but they shut down for 2 weeks in Winter. So I have to use 2 weeks of PTO for that. Leaves me with 1 week to be sick and have a vacation each year... and I'm an engineer!
I really wouldn't know what to do with myself with 5 times as much vacation time a year. Camping maybe? Visit family? Idk. I'm stressed with even taking vacation in case I get sick for 2 weeks.
Americans live to work while Europeans work to live
Very well said.
Damn, I just assumed U.S. had annual leave for workers. That's rough. 19:35 Yup.
Namaste Karl! Happy to see you here :)
Hope you come back to India soon
@@geekySRM Namaste thanks Bro
The way it works is employers write paid leave off their taxes.
Instead of a mandate, the government offers tax credits.
FACTS!!! My best friend died in her sleep on 8/2. Her daughter already had USED her bereavement leave and her company said she had to go to the memorial using PTO. They also said she couldn't use more than TWO DAYS.
REMEMBER...HER MOTHER DIED.
She's looking for another job.
Par for the course here, as you already know. Sorry for your loss ❤
Sorry for your and your friend's loss. I'm in Portugal and my father died at the end of July. I had 5 days of mandated grief leave and my company also had no problem switching around some of my time off so that I could get some extra days. They didn't have to do that part, but messing with the grief leave would put them in so much trouble.
It enrages me so much there are places were people don't get such a basic thing as a right.
This is fucked up
At least she had pto to take, when my grandma died I had to quit my job. I tried to get time off, not even paid, and they said if I missed time they'd take it as I quit.
I'd just walk out dude. I wouldn't ask for time off, I'd let them know I'm not coming in. Wtf!
××Laughs in European××..
No, but seriously it's absolutely insane that there aren't more development on this. People don't even earn that much in US as compared to other countries
well congress "works" about 2 days a week. So I guess I'm saying that this all balances out.
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
People in the States don't know how to Math. They're like "Well, yeah they make 50% more on average, but they have to pay 30% more in taxes! YOU AIN'T RASIN' MAH TAXES!"
@@chopman83 there is a fundamental disconnect about why the right doesn't want higher taxes. The right doesn't want higher taxes because the right generally does not want the government to impose taxes ... period. Being largely Christian and libertarian, they would prefer the government raise finances through "Tariffs" (choice based taxes), Inflation (the equal tax), or donation (bonds and fund raising).
You can't take taxes by force from Conservatives, have rampant abuse and government waste... then ask them for more
@DIAMOND_HANDS the purpose of most organizations is to expand it's own power and preserve it's existance.
from ant colonies, to you, to BLM
too many corps dont see people as assets, they see them as necessary liabilities.
That’s life
They call people "resources", they don't see them as people and as a resource, you are there to be used and disposed off.
Every specialist can be exchanged for finite number of underpaid interns
This is so ironic because even slave holders used to see their slaves as assets.
I'm gonna guarantee you the moment AI becomes more full-fledged, the corps will gladly get rid of their employees.
I once got fired for going to a close relative's funeral. She happened to die at around the same time that I had mentioned that I needed off as early as the interview process, more than six months beforehand, for a wedding. I returned from my unavoidable bereavement + a weekend that was promised to me in the interview only to find that I was fired. Apparently, attending a wedding and a funeral (that was a Thurs - Sunday) was just too long to be away. It was a freaking long weekend. When I left the office Wed evening, I had been unable to contact a client because the client had not answered the phone or email. My boss was upset that she had to contact that client, instead, because I would be gone on Thursday. She wanted me to keep trying to reach the client, unpaid, Wednesday night. I said no. I drew a necessary boundary. I told her I was going to be in an airplane all night and then writing and giving a eulogy and that my phone would be off during the airplane travel, funeral, and wake. I would, therefore, not be able to contact the client during my unpaid bereavement time. Let's also go ahead and add that, as the only close family member who was traveling a long distance, the funeral date had been set for Thursday because that worked best for my boss. That's right. We planned the funeral around my boss' schedule and she fired me anyway.
This lady was a real piece of work. She straight up told me that even though she was only allowed, by law, to verify past employees' employment, she bad-mouthed them to potential employers, anyway. She did it right in front of me, once. She also didn't 'hire' people, but called them 'self-employed.' No benefits. No nothing. And she was a lawyer! She even asked me to serve finger foods at her private parties.
If you're out there, lady, and you're reading this, then you can go straight to hell. Straight. To. Hell. I hope you choke.
The pension scam that affected your father and destroyed your family is a perfect example of corporate exploitation undermining the point of working. It should not only be illegal, it should be culturally shamed.
All this does is highlight why working for myself is the best decision I've made because I can take breaks whenever I want.
True. What do you do? I’m always intrigued when others do work for themselves successfully
@@whoome1638 bpo/virtual assistant stuff. Currently working on a second business for life insurance.
@@infini.tesimo that’s great. Thanks for replying
I’ve worked at a corporation for 2 years (in India) and it has crushed my soul already. I want to join family business (they’re doctors and they have their own private practice).
Yeah you work for yourself, but how much to do you make for yourself?
My dad once took breavement leave. The deceased was his first cat. No questions asked.
As it should be. Pets are family.
@@Chronomatrix agree.
Agree
Well that answers a few questions right off the bat.
Here in the US some people can't even get time off for a family member's funeral.
You can get unlimited PTO by just not working while on the clock lol
Them paying for you while you're working on your real projects/shitposting**
literally what im doing rn while im watching this video in the office lol
Gotta get it how you live it.
Another over achiever, plenty on this channel.
This wouldn’t work if your job is a call center or involves customer service
Wow, I’m lucky. American company, but still 5 weeks vacation, a week off for thanksgiving, 4 day Memorial Day weekend, 4 day Labor Day weekend, and other major holidays. No wonder we have such low turnover in my department.
Where do
You work?
Yea my job no one quits. Two weeks on two weeks over 5-6 weeks off a year paid. Turkey day and Christmas off and paid federal holiday not off but cant win all the time.
@@TheMalcore I really hope something changes for you all, because stuff that you take as "benifits" is just basic stuff every companie HAS to give you. In Germany all state holidays are paid, if you have to come in (work in IT or police, firefighter) then they have to give you a huge pay bonus for that time. You get 20 days minimum but most places give 25-30. Also, there isnt stuff like "sick days". You sick? Go to the doctor, get your doctors notice, enjoy 2 weeks off.
I got approached by a recruiter for a large US tech company recently. I work in Europe and get 30 days vacation per year plus public holidays, paid bereavement and sick leave. In the job spec - that they "desperately" needed people for - they had 12 days vacation from day one and put a lot of emphasis on this like it was an amazing forward thinking offer from an up to date player in tech. When I read it (having no idea about vacation policy in the US) I was like "that can't be right, did someone mistype the job spec" I then googled "how much paid vacation time in the US?" and just got the number 0. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe I didn't already know. It's a shame, because America looks like a really cool place to work for a while and meet people. But there's no way I could work that much and not get horribly burnt out and sick. It makes me feel like, no wonder there are record rates of depression, anxiety, pain disorders and obesity in the US. It's not human to work like that. Your health is going to suffer. And for what...?
I work as a physical ed. Teacher and they routinely start teacher in the USA with ZERO paid time off, ZERO sick days, and ZERO vacation.
You have to "earn" paid vacation days as part of our bonus structure 😮👎🤔 its BS. theyre wringing us out at this point
Life is literally hell here my friend, you dont hear about these facets of our lives because the rich people make it a point that its not talked about, all we see is the gilded facades and the cherrypicked individuals, besides even if they didn't pay off news coverage and the politicians we would still be too vampirically sucked dry to do anything about it. Republicans have slowly but systemically disarmed the country through leveraging capital, rural white fear, and as you would assume in a country with next to no safeguards in place current day, where a company is seen as person, but a special one with even more rights than you, that also controls youre ability to eat and pay rent(and oh yeah you pay rent to one of the corporate scumbags on your companies board that already skims your wages for his cashout, he just then buys up all the property locally and acquires many local rent slaves), of course everyone is depressed and ready for the planet to stop! The American Dream is, and always has been a lie, a tool used by those in power to wring the lower rungs dry and build railroads, skyscrapers, and rock cut outs thousands of feet across of their faces, 5 minutes from said monuments to capitalism and its great powerful white men you will find what appears to be tin house Kenya towns where the only trade is meth, the streets of Detroit, or the state of fucking Oklahoma, its all a lie and we want to die!
I'm in the US and have never worked for less than 3 weeks vacation per year. I was once offered 2 weeks for a mid/senior software position and audibly laughed at them when rejecting the offer.
Damn, you are truly the exception.
@@ThisisFerrariKhan I've been in the workforce for 7 years and I've always had a minimum of two weeks vacation from the start lol. Every company is different
@@Jose243 I see. Two weeks is the standard for a 40 hour workweek job so you’re not telling me anything new there. But to demand an extra week minimum and expect they give you more weeks than three weeks of vacation from a US based company is for any profession outside of software applications, is very rare and unheard of.
@@Jose243 even when I was in the military, you don’t get more than 2 weeks off a year. Any other time off that I earned, was for medical surgeries and the standard federal holidays that were rotating and oftentimes fell on weekends so you never got the extra days off anyway.
@@ThisisFerrariKhan when was that? I became active duty in 2010 and it was 30 days
I'm from Ireland and have worked for companies in Ireland, UK and the US.
Countries in Western Europe have laws to primarily aimed at protecting workers.
Conversely, it became very apparent to me that the US has laws primarily aimed at protecting and enhancing control of corporations.
That's the difference.
I think they learned something from the French revolution
As a minority myself, my holiday season is coming up in September. It becomes a whole thing every year to even get the days off, and that's IF we have the vacation days left. In other words, I'm not allowed to go on holiday if I work for an American corporation and want to embrace the American corporate value of "diversity" by getting my own religious holidays off. Ie, it's all bull and fake PR marketing garbage. That's what annoys me the most if the constant calls of "diversity" while denying it fundamentally. in America that is. BTW, I once had PTO, they combined my sick and vacation days as one pool. If you get sick, you lose your vacation. This big auto insurance company also made us come in on Black Friday. At least the traffic was good, but too bad the office building owners didn't know and turned the AC off thinking it was a 4 day holiday. So the insult was doubled.
Better move to Cuba,
The vacation policies in the US aren’t a joke!
They are NON-EXISTENT.
Time for some damn change.
Edit: thanks for bringing awareness to this travesty.
Wish those was at least a joke, you can tell a joke, you cannot mention vacation: is more a Taboo!
Most just accept it though so nothing will change.
Start your own biz and give out as much vaca as you want, ask Josh the benefits he hands out to his intern.
Personally, I have to disagree. The reason the Federal Government is supposed to be limited in their power is to allow the states to govern themselves. What the majority of people today do not understand is that each state is fundamentally set up like a country. The Fed is supposed to have limited power in what they can and cannot control ON PURPOSE!!! Anyone that wants to have larger Federal Government should just pack up and leave the USA. There are plenty of countries that have bigger government and more control over what citizens can and cannot do. I like my freedoms. I like the government not knowing what I'm doing or where I'm going every minute of every day. I'd like to keep this way of life.
@@beakersgarage383 "I like my freedoms" You literally have less "freedom" than most western countries. Also, do you actually think the FBI or CIA doesnt track you? You literally have 2 of the biggest secret agencies in the world and still think they wouldnt take your data? lol
My god even the Taliban run Afghanistan have more vacation days than companies in the US. That’s crazy.
FYI I would not leave the US even if there is no law for time off.
The US be like, "paid time off? You don't wanna be like those terrorists in Afghanistan."
@@travelator3035 I can certainly see this being said somewhere.
@@jeffshackleford3152 The unfortunate thing is that the pendulum swung so far to the point where employees have virtually no rights left. At will employment left employees around the country with no rights at all.
@@MHiggins At will employment is both good and bad.
It allows people to freely move jobs, but it also allows employers to freely move employees.
I have taken advantage of the fact that we have at will employment. I left my last company in the middle of a project because they did not want to give me a raise.
I already had another job lined up that payed a lot more, I was just seeing if the company would give me a raise.
I did not inform my company that I had gotten hired on elsewhere.
They are always recruiting, feel free to sign up, so you think they will allow your social media?
Me growing up : One day I'm gonna get a job in America
Me as an adult : Nahh I'd rather go laugh in European.
This was me. I always dreamed of living in the USA. Not now.
Same
Same here!
Same, now I will never try to get a job in USA
@@grantoden8242 The golden days of the US are way past. There are far more opportunities abroad these days.
About 5 years ago my brother died while I was at work. My mom called me to tell me. I didn’t ask anyone anything. I left. My colleagues told my manager what happened and she talked to me as I was leaving. My brother and our dad were both hospitalized the month prior so my employer knew I was experiencing a lot. The company had 2 Bereavement days. At the suggestion of my manager I took short term disability for mental health then long term disability for the same reason. When I returned I was demoted, then the team I was on was all people who had been out due to personal situations like illness, bereavement etc. about 2 months later we were all laid off. I share this to state one thing: we should be able to take the time needed without repercussions. At a different company prior to this one they had 1 Bereavement day that was offered. It was a company that had International employees. One guy said it takes almost 2 days just to fly to his home country, so if someone died in his family he was basically out of luck. I have learned through the years: companies do not care about you. They care about themselves.
Sweden here. I saved some vacations from last year....and this year I had total 2.5 months of vacations.
And now you spend your free time bragging to others about your vacation time, how charitable.
@@AFuller2020 jelous?
@@AFuller2020 probably took him 20 seconds to write that comment lol
@@AFuller2020 Hahahahahah what a sour loser xddd
In home nurse in America we only get 3 days sick time no vacation . An the sick time doesn’t roll over
This stuff makes me feel so helpless. Like i will work my whole life away and there’s nothing I can do about it
When I worked for a large international bank in CA, after 5 years we had 4 weeks vacation per year, plus holidays. After 10 years it was 5 weeks off. Pretty good for this country. I would go to my birth country The Netherlands every year and my friends there would have 6 to 8 weeks vacation, plus holidays, and usually would only work 35 hour weeks. At the bank I was amazed at how many people did not take all of their vacation time. Pretty sad.
Real story,
Wife calls boss, tells boss hey my husband is in the hospital for a heart attack. He won't be in for 3 or 4 days.
BOSS: WHEN did that happen
WIFE: yesterday
Boss: he should be fine tomorrow, he has a project to finish and need to complete it before Friday period. Or it's termination.
WIFE: WELL SINCE THAT is how your gonna treat a employee of 10years then I'm letting you know he has resigned immediately. Click...
Boss: stalker calls 15 times
Wtf, did that actually happen 😨 when my dad had a heart attack in Poland he had 3 months paid time off and nobody gave him any grief for it
@@unicornishcornish yes, my old sales manager was a complete tool
@@unicornishcornish Well, we in Poland have a much better work-life balance & labour law situation than US which has one of the most pathological labour markets in the world. Even though there are major problems it's still better than the US and I would never move out to the US from Poland.
@@ArtificialFertilizer Bah! So it seems to be true what many acquaintances tell me. That overtime is frowned upon. A plus point, besides the Poles not opening the doors to unwanted immigrants.
It reminds me of the episode when I had sprained my ankle, and as a result, I started working from home because I couldn't walk. Mind you, I didn't take sick leave; I worked from home as I do now (this was before the pandemic, roughly in 2018). My boss at the time, after a few days, wrote to me, and the first thing he asked wasn't 'how are you?' but 'when are you coming back?' A real piece of garbage; I will always remember your words.
What's funny is I'm watching this video while sitting at a quiet reception desk covering someone's vacation. It's just one week and he comes right back here for another 51 weeks! Ahh, America...
God, this made me depressed. But it is 100% the truth.
@@JPCommenting Do you think most Americans would even take 20 days of vacation if their employers were required to provide it?
Do European workers get in trouble if they don’t take all or any of their vacation?
@@dansugardude2655 I do. This is also why I encourage people to work for EU companies that decide to put offices in the US. I have 30 days vacation and 10 sick days on top of that. So far I have used 24 days of vacation, and I'm okay. The company I work for is HQ in Sweden.I live in the US.
@@dansugardude2655 I also think it depends on their comfort level with the company they work for. Are they understaffed and almost no one else can take over if they leave? then chances are they won't take that vacation (Specially if they are New-is to the position). If they are well staffed though, I don't see the problem as long as they ask for it ahead of time.
@@dansugardude2655 the company will get in trouble with fines. if for any reason you haven't had your minimum 21 days or the maximum of 25 of paid vacation, they force you to take it by december 31.
I've been queueing up for a MASSIVE rant on this. I've lived and worked in 3 different countries, and the US is the only one that does not mandate vacation, sick leave or bereavement, supplemented with toxic AF working culture where taking time off is a weakness that counts against you. Don't even get me started on parental leave. You cover this is so much detail, awesome video.
The day the US gets 2 weeks vacation, is the day that Canada gets 3, so I'm all for it!
Canada is pathetic. All we ever do is look to America and say "well at least we are better than that shithole". Doesn't mean much to me. It would cost the government nothing to mandate an extra week or two of vacation for us, but no one has the political will to do so
We get 4 weeks in Australia
Kanada is like Ukraine. They both elected clown for a leader.
I'm in game dev. My parents are always shocked when I get the week from Christmas through new years off + 19 vacation days, 5 sick days, time off to vote, jury duty, bereavement, stress days (company given if we crunch a ton). Im also 25 and have been in the industry a few years and have worked with companies who give you nothing. I agree that there should be a government mandated amount. not taking personal days makes people sicker overall and less productive
They don't care, a sicker population equals more $$$$ for the broken healthcare system, big pharma and hospitals.
That's all that ever matters is the bottom line
@@nicolew2299 my favourite self pathology
gamedev is one of the worst. iono how you guys do it.
@@edwardroh89 the studios have definitely been getting better. The see people leave for studios with better perks/pay so they're are starting to up their game
Is that company located in US?
I remember growing up in a working class family in the US and can't think of a time when my dad had vacation time from any job, except truck driving because of the work schedule giving him two weeks off. As a result, I never really travelled or left my home state until I was 20.
Yep I went to visit my step dads parents once they lived in Vermont and we live in Florida so we went to see the snow. I found it so weird that some people went on more than one vacation a year like who has the time off or the money. Now as an adult my husband gets almost almost a month of time off a year but he can never take it because he has no one to back him up and he is in IT and works on the servers.
And I'm certain he got paid millions for all the effort and losing his majority of life hours for that company....
My dad was a union employee and got 7 weeks vacation working at UPS, I thought that was more than normal but little did I realize that's insanely high for most US jobs. He did work 50 hours a week regularly however so it still never felt like he was home.
@@jasonlaboy as a father I know you'll never get your time back with your kids working so much. Nowadays most people shouldn't be having families as they will not have much quality time due to most jobs.
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 sad but very true.
I worked at a factory that you needed to wait 1 year before getting 20 hours vacation. So, I asked the owner what happens if I have a life emergency. The owner said 'it counts against you and then we will fire you'. Challenge Manufacturing in Walker Michigan is the place.
Sounds like a place to avoid.
Manufacturing positions are usually the absolute WORST KIND OF JOBS IMAGINABLE!!! Oh my gosh, I'd rather commit shibuku, than ever deal with the union at my previous one ever again, UGGH. (The salt is oozing from my words.)
i worked at a tool & die company around toronto ont canada. the manager told me they dont want us hanging out with friends or family, they dont want us playing sports, they dont want us going to the cottage.they want to break us of all those bad habits. they just want us to work.
Ok, so let them fire you and enjoy your 6 month paid vacation on unemployment.
Same deal with my company. Benefits don't kick in either for like a year. Miss three days and you gone. Late too many time and you are gone. Clock in a minute too early or 3 minutes too late from lunch and you get a point, 5 points in a year and you are gone. Work is 10 hours 6 days a week. I lasted 1 month. Some people have been there for more than 10 years. What a wasted life.
My current job, Is 100% remote, I get one week of time off per year (I know its straight up garbage) . But the catch is i barely do any work and when i do work i plan the project around my own time so i guess its better than a traditional job where i get more time off.
Is that company located in the US?
@@errrzarrr yes
I didn't learn a thing or two, just liked your content. At least someone is talking about it.
I've often heard this stated as, "In America you're free TO exploit your workers. In Europe, you are free FROM being exploited by your employer". Rather telling, is it not?
and our salaries in europe are way lower than those in the usa.
Yea sure free from being exploited... Well that's a lie but at least not exploited as much
We say "Europeans work to live. Americans live to work" .
@@DanteTheSimpSlayer it's also way cheaper to live, rent for an apartment (not a flat, not rent to own) is 1500+
@@DanteTheSimpSlayer are they? Are they really?
Then there’s the issue of blackout dates when requesting vacation time. Good luck trying to get time off when it’s the most desirable or convenient for the employee.
try getting time off for a sabbatical. My "assigned" sabbatical time is November, but is based on the needs of the company. You know that no one is going to get sabbatical leave during November and December. Which means the earliest I could get the sabbatical is January.
The sad thing is that is us Americans are conditioned to think that taking time off is a sign of laziness. That we don't deserve our jobs if we want a vacation or need a sick day.
It should be standard policy for anyone to get a month of paid vacation.
I know that might lead to scheduling conflicts, but that is why you have managers and HR departments to schedule around vacation.
Employer’s should want to give their employees time off so that employees can enjoy their wealth from working.
If people have more time off they spend more money and find hobbies that give them reasons to work hard so they can get the gear to do the hobby.
I agree. But in zero world is it HR’s job to schedule anyone’s work or work hours lol that’s all the managers responsibility. 😊
It is very funny when you work with teams around the world and you need to take into consideration their days off and the usual vacations for example Japan and Korea have the Golden week, French are off usually in February for skying and July because they have many national days, for Turkey you need to take into consideration some days of in July for India is in October - November and so on.
They don't care if the employees enjoy something but the HR and management would definitely care if they realize that this will help their employees recharge and be more productive
@@elenabob4953 They don't care if the employee burns out and loses productivity. There's a million more to take their spot. They'll just fire the first one for productivity failures and hire a fresh new one and the cycle repeats.
Definitely, having mentally healthy employees should be in their interest. Hopefully the culture changes eventually once the older folks at the top retire/die off.
The industrial revolution and post ww2 factory attitude never went away. Employees are still seen as tools and numbers- that's the root of all this: vacation, benefits, pay, etc.
That's what you are, a service in exchange for compensation, if you need emotional attachment get a dog
@@AFuller2020 lol go take a hike
I worked at Olive Garden years ago and they tried to say I’d have to get cover for my shift for my COLLEGE GRADUATION. (This was why I worked there, to pay for college).
I straight up told them, you will find cover for me since I posted my shift, and left the ball in their court. They didn’t fire me. I don’t take anyones shit.
Live a life with money in the bank, live WAY BELOW YOUR MEANS, and have fuck you money stored away so you don’t have to take anyones shit.
I had to find coverage for my HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION, and I was only a hostess at a restaurant! While all of my friends went out, had family parties, etc., I had to go in to work.
I wish I knew to save money when I was younger. Because when you hit a certain age, the employers know you likely can't leave as no one will hire you. That's when you need to have that F You money saved up so you can just bounce. When you have to stay because of the Golden Handcuffs, it sucks,
The next time I see Joe Rogan say "Then go live in Germany" in response to saying what other countries have achieved, I'd like to point out to that man that Germany is the size of New Mexico and is the second largest source of manufactured goods in the world. The entire United States cannot beat a country the size of Germany in manufacturing.
I don't even care if I'm paid for vacation time. Imagine just having time off for your own fucking mental health.
That's what we do here in the UK. Feeling a bit low, book a day off and go to the beach. Fancy a long weekend away book a Friday and Monday off, away you go. I've got a week off next week, why? Because I just fancy it...and I need to use it! If you don't use your annual leave in the UK your boss may well start getting on your case to use it!
what about having a boss who says to your face people who need to take mental health days are people who dont understand time management and have poor workplace habits...
The United States was built on slavery and corporate servitude. I was asked by a hiring manager early in my job history what I thought was a reasonable number of days of vacation per year, and when I stated '12' (one per month), she laughed me out of the room. I later discovered that most companies are considered generous for giving workers an earned week per year, with sick days. Most companies here think all of the holidays are already too much.
Was that laid leave it NOT paid leave?
Your video just reminded me of a mug that my old boss had...it said:
"Company Policies
Sick Days
We no longer accept a doctor's note as a proof of sickness. If you are able to go to the doctor, you're able to come to work
Personal Days
Each employee receives 104 personal days a year. They are called Saturday and Sunday
Vacation Days
All employees will take their vacation at the same time every year. Vacation Days are as follows: January 1, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, December 25
THANK YOU
MANAGEMENT"
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Freedom from vacations, freedom from health care, freedom from affordable housing, freedom from 8 hours workday, freedom from guaranteed notice period, freedom from having an influence on politics :) land of the free
btw, we in Europe are pretty much aware of the laws in the USA, that's why most people don't want to immigrate there (apart from the poorer eastern European countries).
The fact that people in my country can accept 2 weeks of vacation a year disgust me. 2 weeks is literally nothing.
You left out freedom from being free xD
We corporate slaves
Hi there, USA PTO, it sounds surreal to me. I got 3 days off when my kitten died. Without any explanation or reason. I requested days off and that was it. I am sorry for US workers. it is unfair (in my point of view).
"You don't see a lot of people being... moderate these days..." Yep.... Well said...
“Unlimited time-off” is my favorite. Aka when you leave we won’t pay you out….
Balance is exactly what we need.
Most work over 9 hours a day and many also have to do a commute.
Its a lot just to work.
Even"fun" work gets old and is still work and people still need time to relax, learn, have fun. LIVE! And yes also to just do NOTHING.
We need better working rights in the USA and so many people would be so much happier and we'd all benefit from it in so many ways.
Yes!! I have a job that most would consider to be "fun" but after 6 years of the "fun" job with most of my vacation days used as sick days I've run out of steam..
Find a remote role. The tech field has a lot of them. Eliminates the commute and you can kinda work at your pace
@@charliedallachie3539
Thata too broad. Doing what? Where? How do u qualify for said roles ?
@@ThinkBeFree99 anything IT/tech related is a good bet. Could be cyber security, coding, software development etc. most of those jobs don’t require sitting in an office. Work on certifications in those areas of interest and apply. If you don’t have a degree yet get one in computer science or something related.
Here in India , most of us are NOT allowed to take our leaves and we have to work 80-100 hour weeks for little to no pay 😅
Josh, you are awesome! I have been watching your videos for over a year now and 4 months ago, I finally quit my job to pursue another career (in front-end dev) and I could not have been happier about it. Your videos resonated with me on so many levels and I could totally relate with so many things. I just wanted to say, THANK YOU!
HR and Management: _Collaboration is what drives innovation_
My experience: _Letting the mind wander for a moment, that's what drives innovation_
In reality the majority of good ideas where thought out by dreamy introverts, not once have I seen (overworked) extroverts present anything decent...
Sadly those boot-licking extroverts often steal the ideas from the dreamy introvert.
thats why the extroverts are in management positions
So I gotta say something here. I have had probably about 40 jobs in my life between retail and corporate. Was never able to hold a job down because I was never good at tolerating the grind and being treated like shit. After I had my daughter I had to do something because I knew I can’t just go job to job. So I went and did an apprenticeship in the electrical program to become an electrician. It’s been the best decision I’ve ever made in my life. I get paid well and get treated super well by my boss and team. In my field, no one gives a crap about HR and office politics because we are a bunch of dudes working in the field. We don’t have to have a bubbly personality and pretend we are all family. We know what we are there for. In my field, we fire out bosses and companies if stuff isn’t working for us. I strongly suggest people go and do a trade. I make my own schedule, get all the holidays off, I am well respected and the money is pretty damn good.
I wasted so much time in retail man. I regret it so much. Finally got a real job where they respect your health.
@@jonday1916 Yea retail is really just a well oiled machine. You are just a cog and they really don't give a F...I've missed too many Christmases with my family because it's "the busiest time of the year"...One time, I worked at radio shack when I was 17. My entire family went to Europe for christmas. My boss refused my time off so I stayed home to work. The week after christmas he fired me. Used like a dirty tampon. Will never forget that shit.
[Distant obnoxious Finnish laughter] Not gonna lie this was interesting stuff.
@gugu It's pretty rad - But like Josh said there are tradeoffs.
Ebin :DDD
@@captainfordo1 That's not what I read? income tax ranges from 6% - 31% depending on income. Most people pay 17% or 21%.
Here's a (not so) cool story about FMLA. When my ex-wife and I were together, she was working as a home health nurse in Georgia (a so-called 'right-to-work' state), and she had to have double carpal tunnel surgery. She got her FMLA approved through her employer, and then on the last day before her leave was to take effect...she was fired. They suddenly came up with a laundry list worth of shit that she was doing wrong, none of which had never been mentioned to her before. Thankfully, her insurance still covered the surgery, but we were stuck without her income during her 6 week recovery from the operation, before she was even able to START looking for another job.
That sounds like a time to go to a lawyer
28 days in Russia, paid guaranteed by labor laws for full time employees (14 days for part time employees). This doesn't count federal holidays, which there are plenty of. Working for a European company in Russia was pretty comfortable.
This was really eye-opening, thanks for talking about it!!
The problem we have is that we have an entire culture of people who "live to work" but refuse to make their own company where that mentality would be beneficial to them. They keep just becoming managers at other companies and trying to force everyone who "works to live" to change their mindset.
Yo! Thank you for talking about this lol
did you literally laugh out loud
@@PumpkinSpicePretzels actually, yes - I was just talking about this subject!! So I was happy to see Josh talk about it, too lol
@@PumpkinSpicePretzels Do you know who joe is? Just wondering
@@spricket24 OK
@@jacobm1190 No, do you?
It just insane. Just insane... in Post-USSR countires they, afaik, start with 28 days, and if you gov employed you get +1 day per year at work. So after 10 years you have 38 days + holidays + maybe more due to some workplaces being harmful.
USA had same harmful workplaces during ussr time and they didnt get time of those pesky commies how dare they
@@Stszelec01 heh, yeah. Actually surprised usa not upped their game during cold war. I guess if ppl are ok with working 365 days why bother?
The lack of any vacation policies in the US is a huge problem. This is the problem with job hopping. You lose all your vacation time when you change jobs. I remember about 12 years ago I had to change jobs in Sept and I negotiated 2 weeks vacation with my new employer for Aug of the following year. I got this in writing. Signed by my new manager. July rolls around and I tell them that I'm going on vacation next month. They start going nuts threatening me trying to get me to quit. I go on two weeks vacation and come back. When I came back the director, sales manager and three of the main sales people had quit. I left there two months later. I swear this is a true story! Its nonsense like this made me start my own business.
Housing's also a human right in Finland
Vacation time alone is why I’m considering moving to Spain instead buying a home in the US. 🤷🏾♀️
I'm from Italy. It depends on the contract of your category (e.g. banking, food, chemicals) but more or less we accrue 2.5 vacation days per month and we have 10 days of public holidays. Besides, if we are sick, we get paid. There's a thresold of sick days you must not overcome to avoid being fired, but this number is very high.
We also have two weeks of paid leave for the wedding and 3 days in case of a death in the family.
Wow I didn’t know paid wedding leave EXISTED
I absolutely enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work yo!!! You are rocking this
I love your show because u tell the truth about company s out there please keep up the great work
When I was younger, I used to look up to America, but now I've lost respect for it
I love my job in the UK after watching this. Imma go to work smiling tomorrow. Thanks Fluke!
Thank you for posting
This is one reason why I retired early. I got sick of asking permission to enjoy my time.
I work a 35h week with 5 days. I have 30 days a year of paid vacation. If I had a kid or a family member id have to take care of I could get 6 additional days. Additionally, I get 6 more days if I chose to do job related Trainings. So in total i can get up to 42 days of paid vacation ok addition to 10 public holidays.
Having all those benefits, I couldn't imagine living without those
It’s kind of funny to hear Americans talking about “slave labor” in China when China has so many more vacation days in a year.
Who is really a slave?
Chinese
The chinese companies treat the labor law as a suggestion, rather than an actual law.
@@richardgray3112 I recommend you not just spout off to someone who actually lives in the country you pretend to know something about.
@@richardgray3112 America is a totalitarian nation even tough it's spouts that it cares for it's workers that's just PR bullshit they don't give a flying fuck about their people.
@@richardgray3112 glad we can agree on that 🤣👍🏻
I was actually thinking of making a video on this, the non existent bereavement leave has affected a few of my co workers this year and everyone in the company finds it crazy but can't do a thing about it.
Very calm video Josh haha, I love it
I hope that Americans watching these kinds of videos realize that all the big American companies offer all these benefits (vacation, paid sick leave, a form of healthcare) in any other part of the world where they operate. (And I'm German and the big companies here like Audi, VW, Porsche, Bosch... have even better conditions. Most of them consider 35 hours a full time week. And they are very successfull.)
Even if you have two or three weeks vacation available, I've worked for employers where it was frowned upon to take more than one week vacation at a time. In other words, no two or three week vacations, because otherwise you will really start to inconvenience your boss.
Liking for the algorithm. More people need to see this and talk about it.
Vacation, sick & bereavement are a joke here in the US. I get 5 sick days which I can only take 1 at a time, 10 Vacation day at 5+ years you get 15 days & 3 bereavement. I do have to say my bosses we're very understanding when I said I don't feel like doing shit and I'm taking the next 3 days off when my grandfather passed earlier this week.
In Australia you get 4 weeks, additionally you can also purchase additional leave of 4 weeks lot of people use it as a force savings which they either use the additional leave or cash out.
*cries in Casual*
I've been working at my job for 7 years. I get 5 vacations days per year. Can not fucking wait until I find a new job that pays what this one does.
Great video!
I missed you! I lost track of you on my feed for a while.
In Finland often you can convert the vacation bonus (roughly 2 weeks salary) you get for the summer holiday into two weeks of vacation. Ofc you lose a bit of money, but if you value your free time that would give you 7 weeks of vacation per year.
How much do people make in Finland, as compared to USA? And how much taxes they pay?
We're all just too blind to be reasonably skeptical, live life to its fullest, and love the world for what it is, but much too rare to die.
That's what these regimes take advantage of in order to get people to grind for 50 years without a prayer or hope that they'll ever find happiness unless they're ready to be an unhappy "consumerist."
With FMLA there is usually a few forms too fill out by you and your doctor. Then it goes to HR to be reviewed. Then you do usually get app but there is a chance that for some reason or another it won't be approved. This whole process can take up to a couple of months.
I turned my paperwork in for intermittent FMLA because my wife has MS about two months ago. Still haven't heard back about it and I work for the government.
A friend of mine was told by our CFO when he needed to take time off to be with his hospitalized daughter “prioritize the close, Greg.”
America. Such a bummer
*laughs in Australian* while enjoying our minimum 4 weeks off per year
A sabbatical sounds amazing I need to move!
Dear Josh, Wonderful and interesting video. If possible in the future could you do a video on employer provided housing for employees? In know that in some parts of Europe this is seeing a resurgence again in modern times such as in Germany and other places. Do you think that this could take off in the US after falling by the side in the 60s and 70s in the with "company towns". Thanks.
Joshua Fluke I got it!!! They extended my internship until the end of December :) Only this time instead of QA I will be on the UI team coding in React. They told me there are no entry level jobs but hopefully that will change when they see me hustling. I will apply to other jobs too so by December I believe I’ll have a more secured position
I used to live and work in Germany for 2 years and it was definitely better in moral and worker rights.
Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦!!!
Where we have minimum of 14 days paid vacation per year, 30 paid sick days, and (depending on the company) minimum of 3 "family days" to attend funerals... All this on top the public holidays we have.
Like I'm honestly amazed that sh*t is that bad in the US. Love your channel Josh. Keep doing God's work Josh😄👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
P.S. - don't quote me exactly on this as I'm not like an expert on the company formalities of my country. But so far for every company I've worked for, the vacation days and sick days was this amount
@@mali_billz that sounds quite nice, except that I think that sick days are still total bullshit...
Is it why you still live like a garbage, 30 years after apartheid? Nothing gets ever done.
I am really glad I live in Europe. There is usually minimum 20 days by law and then one or two weeks more depending on company you are working for. In my case it is 30 days of vacation a year + 30 days of fully paid sick leave if you get ill + 5 sick days a year where you can say I am not feeling well today and I am not coming.
I worked in Germany for 5 years, and I was amazed at how their public holidays are always on a Tuesday or Thursday. There's no moving the holiday to the Monday or Friday for a long weekend there. I remember 1 fortnight where there was public holiday on thursday then next week tuesday and thursday were also public holidays. So take a few days off get 9 days off... Crazy!
In NZ is public hilidays land on a weekend it is moved to Monday, overtime for the weekend end day if you work it and day in liue, also the Monday off.