Sound mechanics. I suppose Tony Jaa is the pefect example of proper knee chamber, and the exception to the rule. Something to be said about momentum overcoming the limits of body mechanics. Shear will and spirit, makes physics go "🤔"
I'm a wing chun/JKD guy and I recently got caught with a side kick in the ribs by a traditional karate/kickboxer as I was closing to trapping range. It was not fun.
@@SlappinTitties420 Everyone gets got sometimes, no matter the style. They guy who got me with that sidekick is probably over in the comments on some other video talking about all the times I trapped his guard and hit him with an elbow in the head.
@@austinsavage Many, almost all even, pro mma fighters and kickboxers who don't think side kick works even if they train and practice it. They think it's not worth it, they better train other kicks. But they just have no idea.
@@jovanleon7 yeah, probably coz many of those pro fighters did not come from a karate background. Even if u did, u need to be a high level practitioner to be able to use it effectively in MMA coz a sidekick is not a directly offensive kick
it's just hard to do real damage with it while costing energy. it's great when people charge you from the outside though. and the spinning version is deadly
I'm a old school karate practisner,my side kick, was one of my strongest kicks, in the heat of the battle, when people were trying to knock me out, it never failed me to the opponents soloplex,or rib cage 👍
Agree its a extended jab if used right with way more power than a jab. Michael Jai White dominated point fighting back in the day just using a side kick.
@@elmasterz81 Funnily enough. The best way to break through a sidekick defense is probably a side kick. Or sideways movement as opposed to jousting of course. But the sidestep at the right time and not getting kicked in the ribs is a lot harder than just also sidekicking and hoping you get there first.
Me too only I like to use them below the belt the most 👊 old-school karate is a force to be reckoned with as long as you don't fall into the this traditional and nothing should be changed or worked on to make it better trap
The reason the savate side kick looks like that is because its based on fencing where you're lunging into range as part of the technique. The extra movement means greater ground covered. The pendulum step and the longfist lead in JKD comes from a similar concept in fencing.
I’m a Goju Ryu practitioner and the low side kick is featured in Kururunfa, Seisan and Sanseiru katas. The target is the knee down. This kick, when trained, is highly destructive to an opponents lower leg. The Okinawans trained for survival, hence, a high side kick aimed higher than the knee would be extremely risky to one’s balance, ability to follow up the kick, and its potential for being grabbed. In sport karate the legs aren’t allowed to be grabbed, hence, the more acceptable to use a high side kick. I don’t favor an above the knee front kick either for the same reasons as a high side kick. I would use an above the knee front kick if I was sure that I could I can hit my opponent’s bladder (just below the belt line). Of course there are many, many martial artists who do have tremendous high than the knee side kick and very effective with it. I knocked an opponent out in a tournament with a lead leg side kick to his chest. I timed it right, but still must give be respect to Lady Luck, as well. Whether one’s side kick hits with the heel or blade of the foot, in my estimation, doesn’t really matter. Either making contact probably would not be good for the individual on the receiving end 🤭😬😀.
@@MMABeijing yea you think it's hard to catch it's like people don't read a person body or predict movements or the more effective strategy baiting someone into what they think is open and if you use jiujistu low kicks or side kicks aren't hard to defend against at all. Not saying that low or side kicks don't work because they most definitely do but if someone is a complete fighter they won't get caught by them to often
Highly agree. Side kick to the knee caps or low quick side kicks are brutal. Especially if you mix it up and combine them with oblique kicks to the knee similar to John Jones
Pretty cool watching a coach work with a technique and fix the smaller details. A lot of TH-cam martial artists try to project themselves as all knowing experts, but the actual best are students and always learning.
From a WT Taekwondo practitioner, a small but important point to note. Turn your toes of the ground foot away from your target for optimal balance, power and distance. Try to feel if you are doing a push/front/teep kick (with the quadriceps/side of waist) or a complete side kick (with your back and glutes). Use the turning motion of the ground foot for the driving force.
@@T703E The kick you are describing isn’t Yeopchagi(side kick), it would be categorized as Mireochagi(push kick). The musculature used for those kicks are very different as stated in my top comment.
@@T703E That thing about stepping your back foot in right behind the front (kicking foot in this case) before throwing off the technique was exactly what I was thinking. Sometimes if you have to cover even more distance you can even do passing footwork for a milisecond (don't do this if they are in range or you will get hurt if they know what they are doing) to get even more momentum forward.
@@T703E I was never at the level where my aim was that much more advanced than the midsection / abdomen area. I just generated a lot of forward momentum and sent people flying. Sadly my advanced kicking days are long gone as an overweight 45-year old but I do remember the two kicking techniques that I got really good at very well. I especially remember how many people did those kicks without turning the foot they were standing on or engaging their hips and then were confused about why they couldn't generate that much power and kept pushing themselves back instead of their opponent.
Thankful for seth for showing your channel and your technique. You are a great representation for you art form, great display of technique and able to teach to even the most amateur like myself. Cheers! All the best Kevin!
One of my instructors in old school WTA was a heavy weight golden gloves boxer also .. we moved like a boxer and used our lead sidekick like a jab. That with a good lead jab was tough to manage ..
mind...blown. dude. the positioning of the backleg just made me realized what im doing wrong. traditional taekwondo teachers say its 90 degrees of a kick. but to make it work on heavy people, you have to plant the backleg against the kick you're making. AWESOME.
Myself as a ITF trained TKD, I was always taught (all the way up to my black) to "open the door" and turn your heel towards your target as you throw your sidekick. I feel that with my foot in line with the kick, there's further support not only from the heel, but also from your whole foot (including balls and toes).
3:40 I replayed that little kick several times because I swear to God there's no frame in between when he lifts his knee and when he thrusts it. That's crazy
Jesse Enkamp said that Savate inspired the sliding step movements common in Karate in mainland Japan and it was expanded upon overseas. Because Okinawan Te/Toudi/Karate was a close quarters combat style with lots of inside striking and stand up grappling, the Dai Nippon Butoku Kai took out the grappling in Karate as a way to get the striking parts to counter the influence of western boxing so Japan could be like "we have a striking martial art too, that's better! We can kick, elbow, knee, etc." But since the striking was somewhat limited through the aspect of grappling, they took some inspiration from savate on how to turn the kicks and punches into something better suited for competition and less suited for street fights. Thus, sport karate was born.
In fact the side kick come from " boxe française " which is a martial art for the street and was effectiv before sporterized. In boxe française you wear shoes and you optimise your hits with the good parts of your shoes to make more damage and that's why side kicks worked.
Okinawa didn't much care for high kicks because in war when getting invaded a failed/grabbed high kick often led to getting knocked on the floor for the invading force to gang up on you, hence why okinawa karate tends to focus on the low kicks in order to take out an opponent's foundation.
fyi they never took out the grappling it's still present in the Kata just most schools don't understand the bunkai of the kata check out Ian Abernathy practical katabunkai he's been on Jesse's channel a few times his understanding of bunkai is amazing
@@morgansiroux9186 savate has side kicks but side kicks in karate and other Asian martial arts had nothing to do with that. They've been in Chinese martial arts for literally millennia and karate and tkd are largely descended from those styles. it's possible savateurs had some influence on the applications of it in competition but even that doesn't have much evidence to it
Keeping the knee higher than the foot and the hip will always give you a much more powerful kick regardless of the height. There is a degree of hip rotation involved in this that is quite specific and not easy for everyone to do as it requires tremendous flexibility.
and also if u keep in mind in traditional karate the side kick and back kick are almost identical when you twist your hips and feet it helps with balance power and it hides the kick from your opponent . If possible your side kick should mirror your back kick keeping the knee on your kicking leg low, it will still be higher than your foot and heal but limit the exposure of"the family jewels"
Saw you on Seth's channel and always enjoy watching people who understand martial arts so thought I'd come over and subscribe. Effective hooking kicks are brutal to learn because there is so much that goes into being able to do them properly.
For every person in any other martial art that says a technique won’t work there is somebody in that martial art or in a fight that used it and it worked. 😎
We really get to see the sensei part of sensei Seth! He's really good at explaining and puting multiple different perspectives on the topic at hand to demonstrate what he's talking about. Good stuff, i definately learned something here and I'll be improving my sidekick as a result of it. Which doesn't work btw, as we all know. Also you are a cool dude Kevin! I'm suscribing, as a fellow kung fu practicioner that's always looking to pressure test my art and give it a good rep, I know I'll be loving your content 😁.
American kickboxer Bill "Superfoot" Wallace used to use the sidekick the way Bruce Lee used the straight lead as an intercept. I think Jesse Enkamp did a video with him.
Yeah you right...in tkd the mobility of the style make almost every kick work.....i remember stoping a tornado attack with a side kick in an national competition!
I'm a Kali and JKD practitioner, but Sensei Seth brought me here. Really glad that I found you, you have my sub sir. Also the sidekick tip with the stance helped me a lot cause I had the same issues as you did. Thx Seth!
Doing a side kick is like stomping on the ground strait down, only you chamber the leg up vertically and 'stomp' outwards while pivoting your standing foot's heal toward the target. Can be done many ways (step through, skip, shuffle, pivot...) You can attack with it or counter attack or use as a secondary kick. High, middle, or low.
I think it would help to point out the toes on the base leg. Seth has them pointed almost backward, Kevin tends to point toes sideways. This means Seth's hip is rolled over farther than Kevin's and it will affect how the "push" happens as well.
In Northern Chinese styles such as Shuaijiao in Beijing and Tianjin, side kick is always used to target the knee caps as weather is very cold, people wear think jackets 8 months of year and ground is slippery with ice and snow.
I have used that sliding/skipping side kick a lot, including a time or two in real life. In competition, It must set up, like all powerful shots should be. I usually throw a feint to their head to lift their hands and then slam my foot into their solar plexus. It is very powerful and almost always pushes them harshly backwards where I follow them and hit their legs with a low round house kick, followed immediately by a high round house with the other leg. If they try to fade off laterally, I throw a back kick or a spinning heel kick to cut them off. The side kick can also be thrown to the shins, knees, thighs, pelvis, stomach, chest, and head from nearly any distance, just like the front kick and round house. It just allows you to throw the kick from a different angle than most people are accustomed to. The key is to practice it over and over until it is smooth, fast, and effortless, and then practice the set up to create the opportunities. Everyone thinks they can stop a side kick, if done well, that is unlikely. The only way they won’t pay the price, is if they know that it is coming. It is your job to ensure that your opponent has absolutely no idea what is coming, and that they fear getting hit by anything you throw. Good luck to all, and thanks for the video.
I've been instructed in WuShu and SanDa by a genuine Shaolin monk AND his apprentice. The technique, when correctly performed, does not reveal whether it's a side kick or a puch kick. It is the longest reaching melee attack and also the most powerful. When a Shaolin warrior kicks you with a side kick it feels like being hit by a car. Bruce Lee highly recommended aiming for the knees with this technique. However, it is clumsy to use if not mastered. Hence the arguments in this video.
exactly what i commented, i dont train but i watch a lot of martial arts.. can't help to notice the sanda sidekick seems equally quick and powerful.. when the likes of Cung Le and Weili in MMA and others land their sidekick, it's like their opponent didnt know what hit them.
4:48 If that's a recreational martial artist can I call myself a recreational martial arts coach because I like to pretend I know what I'm talking about?
excellent video! again, so excited to see y’all creating content together! side note: the scooping/hooking/pulling into a kick with the same leg looks a lot like the Chi Geuk (“Clinging Legs”) we do in my Wing Tsun association!
Seth, turn the heel of your back foot towards your opponent as you kick, this increases your power and makes the side kick work because you are driving the kicking leg with your hips and engaging your torso to drive more power
@@smythie27 when u get to a certain level, u can ignore some of the basics and actually go beyond that and do the complete opposite of the basics. Like in boxing for example, no coach tells u to drop ur hands, but roy jones did it, coz he understands the basics and he knows he can ignore them and still be fine. In theory, u should aim the heel of ur back foot towards ur target, but u can find out t where u r comfortable and make it your own style.
@@rabbitshady499 Remember though Seth said the side kick does not work. That tells me he is not doing the basics correctly hence my original post. No one is above training the basics. All the karate masters still trained the basics every day.
The side kick was always my favorite power kick. Try pointing the butt cheek of the leg you're kicking with at the target point. You'll generate more power as well as accuracy.
Side Kicks aren't the same as front teeps. The power difference and ability to snap into it is completely different. Bladed and heeled kicks also add a level of complexity to it that is unique from a front kick, that usually connects via the ball of the foot. Taekwondo practitioners also do heeled side kicks, but the difference in mechanics changes the amount of power available in execution.
I liked the in-depth analysis on just one movement, please do more of these! I feel like I actually learned something - keyword being "feel" since I haven't actually practiced anything. But as Bruce Lee said, “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
So one thing I like doing with that particular technique in my side kick is to make it a quick burst action. And so it's almost like you're quickly popping forward. If someone's coming in with a punch I am kind of aiming at the rib and sometimes I might turn and use the foot blade. If you don't fall back then you're gonna take damage. When I'm sparring I don't want to injure a person so I might do a quick skip and aim for the hip and just use my heel to drive into them. You'll launch them across the room. Usually they kind of fall in a seated position. When I when I do that i'm usually kind of telling the person you're coming at me too strong. It's really useful for interrupting that forward motion.
The lead leg sidekick is a GREAT counter to the outside leg kick. High success rate going to the body of your opponent,as he throws his roundhouse to the outside of your lead leg.
This was really great! Out of all my martial arts skillsets, kick boxing is definitely by strongest one so my brain got a lot out of this more technical video.
From Seth's channel. Although Im now 1 filithy subscriber, I believe more people will follow. You do great work and you're very insightful. I'm looking forward to the videos you'll be making from here on out.
I mean this completely respectfully. I can’t imagine throwing a sidekick with the standing foot sideways like that. I have learned since the 90’s and still teach that The standing foot should have the heel pointing forward to the target if that makes sense.. I can respect other ways of doing it, but those are my thoughts. Thanks for the video. Sharing martial arts is one of the best things anybody can do, of course I’m biased lol.
@llorT I got you and no disrespect again but I had to respect not to say that having the foot sideways was wrong I expect the same from others on my technique because my technique is the way it is taught through thousands of martial arts schools including MMA gyms throughout the world. Have a great day pretending you know what you’re talking about.
@llorT here is another one that comes up in the first couple, this is a gentleman talking about two different styles and how it is thrown please watch the standing foot. I think I’ve made my point. There are plenty of people on TH-cam that will just spout off things and say you are wrong but first of all I’d like you to realize you are speaking to a lifelong martial artist that actually runs a school and teaches the kick. Second it’s important that somebody Address these type of comments for viewers to understand what is right and wrong with the fact. th-cam.com/video/1Dm4CRsf8hw/w-d-xo.html
In real Karate (i mean traditional, not American one), Yoko geri needs your knee to rise up from the side, not from the front. You can push yourself if the distance is shortened by your opponent, that's why Yoko geri is not considered as an entry kick, but as an opportunity kick. You have to break your opponent's defense before engaging this kick. That's the reason why you usually fail with it. The kick which starts from the front and finishes with a Sokuto is called Fumikomi geri. This is a defensive kick usually performed before stepping back. You also have Kansetsu geri which starts from the side, and specifically targets your opponent's knee. This is an entry kick usually followed by punch strikes or head grips.
I always specify the difference as being a "linear" kick, instead of a "round" kick. Front kicks and teeps are linear, roundhouse and hooks are round. Also, the difference between open and closed hips.
@@angelocarantino4803 linear kick comes straight forward, from point a to b. Round kick circles around to hit the target. Open hips are like doing a split from side to side and closed hips are doing a split forward to back.
I always had problems with the side kick because of how you throw the kick , either raise the chamber high or just twist , leg already chamber and extend. But now I realize how you wanna throw it and it made realize to like the sidekick more because it’s one of the most useful kicks for long distance or short range .
I hope you two are training together and getting dinner at least once week. Definite BFF vibes. Excellent tips every time and the side kick is something I've always wondered about.
I love using side kicks in sparring. They definitely work, if you know how to work them. I use a step in side kick in order to close the distance between me and my opponent. I have a sideways stance going before I jump into it. I emulate many techniques from WonderBoy and Izzy Adesanya!!
They do work but many fighters dont use them because of body mechanics yes you can put one or two in a fight but it wont work if you continuesly use them like in the movies
I see everyone claiming their discipline in the comments so it's my turn! I'm a 12th Degree Ebony Dragon Belt in Hakuna Matata with a focus in Chi Latte throwing style.
two senior martial athletes and instructors analyzing a traditional fighting technique THE SIDE KICK. After watching, I think the side kick is tricky and almost lacking in power and effect for a fighter of short stature. I also question it's reliability in a real fight. But at the end of the day, it all depends on how refined the fighter has attained the technique. Learning plenty from the videos.
I practice taekwondo and I used a side kick to defend myself and knocked the wind out of the guy. It depends on the practitioner. We can say a lot doesnt work it depends on your situation. Side kicks create distance.
In the Savate Workshop I was lucky enough to attend, (the same organization held a workshop with Bill Wallace :D ) there was mention of French Sailors kicking while holding ships rigging. this lets them keep balance and even harness the pitching of a ship at see for more momentum in their kicks.
Yep! Chausson was the art the French came up with for seafaring hand to hand to utilize with fencing. The fencing plus the rocking boat is why there's a lot of slide stepping in savate which mainland Japanese karate implemented.
What a shoutout to Nicolas Saignac, I received my White Gloves under him!! Learning Savate and JKD completely changed my standup style. After this video I subscribed, and I love the practical JKD and Wing Chun trapping videos. It's great to see the real applications. Keep up the great work!!
The wingchun side kick can be used as a mix up tool because you can confuse your opponent by doing that start up motion they might think you going for a front kick to the body but it's actually a low side kick to the legs. Because that's how the front kick starts as well by rising your knee and simply extending it into a front kick. Therefore keeping your opponent guessing and throwing off their counters and defenses against you in sports.
Why they don't work: The pre-chamber is very easy to see. How to make them work: From the pre-chamber, extend your leg halfway to-target and stop (hold onto something if you need to). That is the practical application pre-chamber for using this kick. Yes, it removes a lot of the power but, think about it like a jab. If you hold your guard halfway-ish to-target, your jab is faster and still hurts if you put the proper body mechanics behind it. However, it's just like Muay Thai in the sense that you have to actually set your kicks up with your hands. I studied a kickboxing-heavy style of Soo Bahk Do (aka Tang Soo Do) and the Master (now 6th-degree) was a ranked full contact fighter in the '80s.
It works. It can be very short and fast, without preparatory movements, on any level, with a slide or without, as a counter-attack against foot or hand attacks, or just an attack as the first number. Or you can first put out the hip as in a front kick, and follow up with a middle front, middle/high side or high mavashi kick, and the opponent will not know which kind of a kick will follow.
Recently been introduced to your channel through some of your judo content. But a long term fan of Sensi Seths. So glad to see this collab. Also really enjoyed you teaching Seth some functional Wing Chun. Definitely earned a sub from me!
i think the savate swing is for when you guys are in dirty grapple range (or forearm on forearm violence if there is no grapple) and they try to hop away. You swing your arms for extra distance and then hop with them and power kick.
@@gmork1090 totally and the Savate the sailors used was dirty, street-style combat that later got adopted into early military combative and even later, Krav and JKD.
In tkd when doing middle or high section side kick the planted foot points away from your target. It is much easier and more stable to push off of the toes than the side of the foot.
Great kicking you sir!!! Lol
All the basics of the karate front stance were in this video, except it was never mentioned. Respect.
Can't wait for your video with Professor Nic!!
me thinks a forward drop step in boxing is a good way to get past your distancing sidekick Sensei Seth
8:15 it's similar because Funakoshi's son was a big fan of the French military and they sparred by points
Sound mechanics. I suppose Tony Jaa is the pefect example of proper knee chamber, and the exception to the rule. Something to be said about momentum overcoming the limits of body mechanics. Shear will and spirit, makes physics go "🤔"
I'm a wing chun/JKD guy and I recently got caught with a side kick in the ribs by a traditional karate/kickboxer as I was closing to trapping range. It was not fun.
Those power heel kicks can break bones and even kill a man.
@@dirtpoorchris iirc the side kick was designed to break ribs
Side kicks don't work, but when they do, It's going to hurt like a bitch.🤣
Wing Chun blows lol everybody thinks they are ipman
@@SlappinTitties420 Everyone gets got sometimes, no matter the style.
They guy who got me with that sidekick is probably over in the comments on some other video talking about all the times I trapped his guard and hit him with an elbow in the head.
Said by one of my instructors: "Side kicks don't work. Unless you train them and practice. Then they work great."
Lmao that applies to everything isnt it? Televisions dont work, unless you turn on the power. Then they work great.
@@austinsavage Many, almost all even, pro mma fighters and kickboxers who don't think side kick works even if they train and practice it. They think it's not worth it, they better train other kicks. But they just have no idea.
@@jovanleon7 yeah, probably coz many of those pro fighters did not come from a karate background. Even if u did, u need to be a high level practitioner to be able to use it effectively in MMA coz a sidekick is not a directly offensive kick
@@austinsavage lol sidekick is the single most direct offensive kick there is IF you know how. JKD has the best sidekick.
it's just hard to do real damage with it while costing energy. it's great when people charge you from the outside though. and the spinning version is deadly
I'm a old school karate practisner,my side kick, was one of my strongest kicks, in the heat of the battle, when people were trying to knock me out, it never failed me to the opponents soloplex,or rib cage 👍
Agree its a extended jab if used right with way more power than a jab. Michael Jai White dominated point fighting back in the day just using a side kick.
yeah, actually is an amaizing zoning tool against people who are trying to rampage over you!
@@elmasterz81 Funnily enough. The best way to break through a sidekick defense is probably a side kick. Or sideways movement as opposed to jousting of course. But the sidestep at the right time and not getting kicked in the ribs is a lot harder than just also sidekicking and hoping you get there first.
Me too only I like to use them below the belt the most 👊 old-school karate is a force to be reckoned with as long as you don't fall into the this traditional and nothing should be changed or worked on to make it better trap
The reason the savate side kick looks like that is because its based on fencing where you're lunging into range as part of the technique. The extra movement means greater ground covered. The pendulum step and the longfist lead in JKD comes from a similar concept in fencing.
bingo we got a winner
Yeah I'm a fan of the savate kick. The lunge extends the range and can surprise people.
Love this colaboration with so much technical discussion and information for us.
I’m a Goju Ryu practitioner and the low side kick is featured in Kururunfa, Seisan and Sanseiru katas. The target is the knee down. This kick, when trained, is highly destructive to an opponents lower leg. The Okinawans trained for survival, hence, a high side kick aimed higher than the knee would be extremely risky to one’s balance, ability to follow up the kick, and its potential for being grabbed. In sport karate the legs aren’t allowed to be grabbed, hence, the more acceptable to use a high side kick. I don’t favor an above the knee front kick either for the same reasons as a high side kick. I would use an above the knee front kick if I was sure that I could I can hit my opponent’s bladder (just below the belt line). Of course there are many, many martial artists who do have tremendous high than the knee side kick and very effective with it. I knocked an opponent out in a tournament with a lead leg side kick to his chest. I timed it right, but still must give be respect to Lady Luck, as well. Whether one’s side kick hits with the heel or blade of the foot, in my estimation, doesn’t really matter. Either making contact probably would not be good for the individual on the receiving end 🤭😬😀.
Excellent explanation
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Thank you!😀
in sanda side kicks are very common, that kick is very hard to catch and follow with a takedown. you guys dont know shit 😂😂😂
@@MMABeijing yea you think it's hard to catch it's like people don't read a person body or predict movements or the more effective strategy baiting someone into what they think is open and if you use jiujistu low kicks or side kicks aren't hard to defend against at all. Not saying that low or side kicks don't work because they most definitely do but if someone is a complete fighter they won't get caught by them to often
Highly agree. Side kick to the knee caps or low quick side kicks are brutal. Especially if you mix it up and combine them with oblique kicks to the knee similar to John Jones
You should have asked Sensei Seth to teach you his legendary “chubby surprise” 🙂
Save it for next time!
😅 😅 😅
That sounds like some kinda rock-hard boner attack lol
He's got to buy him a drink first
That move is too dangerous to be revealed to the public
I just came here from Sensei Seth's video.
This was awesome to watch, I just subscribed 😄.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Thank you for subscribing!
This guy is so respectful! This is the first video I've seen of his! The respect between these guys is refreshing to see!
Pretty cool watching a coach work with a technique and fix the smaller details. A lot of TH-cam martial artists try to project themselves as all knowing experts, but the actual best are students and always learning.
Sensei Seth has very Savate-esque kicks and movement for sure... love how he moves in sparring! Awesome video brutha!!! Keeping that flame alive!
Many karate high kicks come from savate.
From a WT Taekwondo practitioner, a small but important point to note. Turn your toes of the ground foot away from your target for optimal balance, power and distance. Try to feel if you are doing a push/front/teep kick (with the quadriceps/side of waist) or a complete side kick (with your back and glutes). Use the turning motion of the ground foot for the driving force.
You rock
@@T703E The kick you are describing isn’t Yeopchagi(side kick), it would be categorized as Mireochagi(push kick). The musculature used for those kicks are very different as stated in my top comment.
@@T703E It’s fine. Constructive conversations are always welcomed 👍🏻👍🏻
@@T703E That thing about stepping your back foot in right behind the front (kicking foot in this case) before throwing off the technique was exactly what I was thinking. Sometimes if you have to cover even more distance you can even do passing footwork for a milisecond (don't do this if they are in range or you will get hurt if they know what they are doing) to get even more momentum forward.
@@T703E I was never at the level where my aim was that much more advanced than the midsection / abdomen area. I just generated a lot of forward momentum and sent people flying. Sadly my advanced kicking days are long gone as an overweight 45-year old but I do remember the two kicking techniques that I got really good at very well. I especially remember how many people did those kicks without turning the foot they were standing on or engaging their hips and then were confused about why they couldn't generate that much power and kept pushing themselves back instead of their opponent.
Thankful for seth for showing your channel and your technique. You are a great representation for you art form, great display of technique and able to teach to even the most amateur like myself. Cheers! All the best Kevin!
Thank you!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
One of my instructors in old school WTA was a heavy weight golden gloves boxer also .. we moved like a boxer and used our lead sidekick like a jab. That with a good lead jab was tough to manage ..
EXACTLY
Like superfoot Wallace
Now we're getting somewhere!!
Yay!
mind...blown. dude. the positioning of the backleg just made me realized what im doing wrong.
traditional taekwondo teachers say its 90 degrees of a kick. but to make it work on heavy people, you have to plant the backleg against the kick you're making.
AWESOME.
The rotating backwards from the teep using the same body mechanics was the best explanation of it yet.
Myself as a ITF trained TKD, I was always taught (all the way up to my black) to "open the door" and turn your heel towards your target as you throw your sidekick. I feel that with my foot in line with the kick, there's further support not only from the heel, but also from your whole foot (including balls and toes).
3:40 I replayed that little kick several times because I swear to God there's no frame in between when he lifts his knee and when he thrusts it. That's crazy
Jesse Enkamp said that Savate inspired the sliding step movements common in Karate in mainland Japan and it was expanded upon overseas. Because Okinawan Te/Toudi/Karate was a close quarters combat style with lots of inside striking and stand up grappling, the Dai Nippon Butoku Kai took out the grappling in Karate as a way to get the striking parts to counter the influence of western boxing so Japan could be like "we have a striking martial art too, that's better! We can kick, elbow, knee, etc." But since the striking was somewhat limited through the aspect of grappling, they took some inspiration from savate on how to turn the kicks and punches into something better suited for competition and less suited for street fights. Thus, sport karate was born.
In fact the side kick come from " boxe française " which is a martial art for the street and was effectiv before sporterized. In boxe française you wear shoes and you optimise your hits with the good parts of your shoes to make more damage and that's why side kicks worked.
Okinawa didn't much care for high kicks because in war when getting invaded a failed/grabbed high kick often led to getting knocked on the floor for the invading force to gang up on you, hence why okinawa karate tends to focus on the low kicks in order to take out an opponent's foundation.
fyi they never took out the grappling it's still present in the Kata just most schools don't understand the bunkai of the kata check out Ian Abernathy practical katabunkai he's been on Jesse's channel a few times his understanding of bunkai is amazing
Jesse Enkamp straight up makes shit up lol
@@morgansiroux9186 savate has side kicks but side kicks in karate and other Asian martial arts had nothing to do with that. They've been in Chinese martial arts for literally millennia and karate and tkd are largely descended from those styles.
it's possible savateurs had some influence on the applications of it in competition but even that doesn't have much evidence to it
Keeping the knee higher than the foot and the hip will always give you a much more powerful kick regardless of the height. There is a degree of hip rotation involved in this that is quite specific and not easy for everyone to do as it requires tremendous flexibility.
and also if u keep in mind in traditional karate the side kick and back kick are almost identical when you twist your hips and feet it helps with balance power and it hides the kick from your opponent . If possible your side kick should mirror your back kick keeping the knee on your kicking leg low, it will still be higher than your foot and heal but limit the exposure of"the family jewels"
I can't just watch this video, I feel I need to be in my dojo while watching this so I can practices those kicks.
Saw you on Seth's channel and always enjoy watching people who understand martial arts so thought I'd come over and subscribe. Effective hooking kicks are brutal to learn because there is so much that goes into being able to do them properly.
For every person in any other martial art that says a technique won’t work there is somebody in that martial art or in a fight that used it and it worked. 😎
We really get to see the sensei part of sensei Seth! He's really good at explaining and puting multiple different perspectives on the topic at hand to demonstrate what he's talking about. Good stuff, i definately learned something here and I'll be improving my sidekick as a result of it. Which doesn't work btw, as we all know.
Also you are a cool dude Kevin! I'm suscribing, as a fellow kung fu practicioner that's always looking to pressure test my art and give it a good rep, I know I'll be loving your content 😁.
Thank you for your support! 🙏🏼🙏🏼
American kickboxer Bill "Superfoot" Wallace used to use the sidekick the way Bruce Lee used the straight lead as an intercept. I think Jesse Enkamp did a video with him.
Kev, keep doing these vids! Outstanding channel!
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@@KevinLeeVlog love your stuff!
as former taekwondo trained, I can say that side kicks does work well in combination with side step during the opponent charge or front step.
Yeah you right...in tkd the mobility of the style make almost every kick work.....i remember stoping a tornado attack with a side kick in an national competition!
I'm a Kali and JKD practitioner, but Sensei Seth brought me here. Really glad that I found you, you have my sub sir.
Also the sidekick tip with the stance helped me a lot cause I had the same issues as you did. Thx Seth!
Doing a side kick is like stomping on the ground strait down, only you chamber the leg up vertically and 'stomp' outwards while pivoting your standing foot's heal toward the target.
Can be done many ways (step through, skip, shuffle, pivot...) You can attack with it or counter attack or use as a secondary kick. High, middle, or low.
I think it would help to point out the toes on the base leg. Seth has them pointed almost backward, Kevin tends to point toes sideways. This means Seth's hip is rolled over farther than Kevin's and it will affect how the "push" happens as well.
In Northern Chinese styles such as Shuaijiao in Beijing and Tianjin, side kick is always used to target the knee caps as weather is very cold, people wear think jackets 8 months of year and ground is slippery with ice and snow.
I have used that sliding/skipping side kick a lot, including a time or two in real life. In competition, It must set up, like all powerful shots should be. I usually throw a feint to their head to lift their hands and then slam my foot into their solar plexus. It is very powerful and almost always pushes them harshly backwards where I follow them and hit their legs with a low round house kick, followed immediately by a high round house with the other leg. If they try to fade off laterally, I throw a back kick or a spinning heel kick to cut them off. The side kick can also be thrown to the shins, knees, thighs, pelvis, stomach, chest, and head from nearly any distance, just like the front kick and round house. It just allows you to throw the kick from a different angle than most people are accustomed to. The key is to practice it over and over until it is smooth, fast, and effortless, and then practice the set up to create the opportunities. Everyone thinks they can stop a side kick, if done well, that is unlikely. The only way they won’t pay the price, is if they know that it is coming. It is your job to ensure that your opponent has absolutely no idea what is coming, and that they fear getting hit by anything you throw. Good luck to all, and thanks for the video.
I've been instructed in WuShu and SanDa by a genuine Shaolin monk AND his apprentice. The technique, when correctly performed, does not reveal whether it's a side kick or a puch kick. It is the longest reaching melee attack and also the most powerful. When a Shaolin warrior kicks you with a side kick it feels like being hit by a car.
Bruce Lee highly recommended aiming for the knees with this technique. However, it is clumsy to use if not mastered. Hence the arguments in this video.
exactly what i commented, i dont train but i watch a lot of martial arts.. can't help to notice the sanda sidekick seems equally quick and powerful.. when the likes of Cung Le and Weili in MMA and others land their sidekick, it's like their opponent didnt know what hit them.
Seth's side kick is like getting hit by a fkn truck! hahaha
Hi there! I just saw your Collab with Sensei Seth and really enjoyed your approach to martial arts
Thank you!! 🙏🏼
Fascinating and enlightening. I wish I had seen this while training TKD. Thank you.
4:48 If that's a recreational martial artist can I call myself a recreational martial arts coach because I like to pretend I know what I'm talking about?
excellent video! again, so excited to see y’all creating content together! side note: the scooping/hooking/pulling into a kick with the same leg looks a lot like the Chi Geuk (“Clinging Legs”) we do in my Wing Tsun association!
Very sick kick at 3:40 by Kelvin... awesome!
Really awesome content Kevin! I'm a big fan of Sensei Seth's content also, I love the ideas and tactics shown in this video! Very cool collaboration!
I love the term recreational martial artist. My respect for Sensei Seth just doubled because of that.
Love the channel man just found your channel through your video with Seth
Thank you!! 🙏🏼
Seth, turn the heel of your back foot towards your opponent as you kick, this increases your power and makes the side kick work because you are driving the kicking leg with your hips and engaging your torso to drive more power
Turning ur heel toward the target is the oldest kickin' tip ever. I assume he already heard of it and he's beyond it.
are you saying he is above doing the basics?
@@smythie27 when u get to a certain level, u can ignore some of the basics and actually go beyond that and do the complete opposite of the basics. Like in boxing for example, no coach tells u to drop ur hands, but roy jones did it, coz he understands the basics and he knows he can ignore them and still be fine. In theory, u should aim the heel of ur back foot towards ur target, but u can find out t where u r comfortable and make it your own style.
@@rabbitshady499 Remember though Seth said the side kick does not work. That tells me he is not doing the basics correctly hence my original post.
No one is above training the basics. All the karate masters still trained the basics every day.
@@smythie27 that was a running joke. Should have been tipped off by him literally saying, it's my favorite kick
Great tip on that yoko geri, Sensei Seth!
The side kick was always my favorite power kick. Try pointing the butt cheek of the leg you're kicking with at the target point. You'll generate more power as well as accuracy.
Side Kicks aren't the same as front teeps. The power difference and ability to snap into it is completely different. Bladed and heeled kicks also add a level of complexity to it that is unique from a front kick, that usually connects via the ball of the foot. Taekwondo practitioners also do heeled side kicks, but the difference in mechanics changes the amount of power available in execution.
I liked the in-depth analysis on just one movement, please do more of these! I feel like I actually learned something - keyword being "feel" since I haven't actually practiced anything. But as Bruce Lee said, “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
So one thing I like doing with that particular technique in my side kick is to make it a quick burst action. And so it's almost like you're quickly popping forward. If someone's coming in with a punch I am kind of aiming at the rib and sometimes I might turn and use the foot blade. If you don't fall back then you're gonna take damage. When I'm sparring I don't want to injure a person so I might do a quick skip and aim for the hip and just use my heel to drive into them. You'll launch them across the room. Usually they kind of fall in a seated position. When I when I do that i'm usually kind of telling the person you're coming at me too strong. It's really useful for interrupting that forward motion.
The lead leg sidekick is a GREAT counter to the outside leg kick. High success rate going to the body of your opponent,as he throws his roundhouse to the outside of your lead leg.
This was really great! Out of all my martial arts skillsets, kick boxing is definitely by strongest one so my brain got a lot out of this more technical video.
I admire the respect between the two.
From Seth's channel. Although Im now 1 filithy subscriber, I believe more people will follow. You do great work and you're very insightful. I'm looking forward to the videos you'll be making from here on out.
I was send here by a Bruce Lee -film I saw last night. Seth’s a good teacher, cheers!
I mean this completely respectfully. I can’t imagine throwing a sidekick with the standing foot sideways like that. I have learned since the 90’s and still teach that The standing foot should have the heel pointing forward to the target if that makes sense.. I can respect other ways of doing it, but those are my thoughts. Thanks for the video. Sharing martial arts is one of the best things anybody can do, of course I’m biased lol.
@llorT I got you and no disrespect again but I had to respect not to say that having the foot sideways was wrong I expect the same from others on my technique because my technique is the way it is taught through thousands of martial arts schools including MMA gyms throughout the world. Have a great day pretending you know what you’re talking about.
@llorT If you take the inside kick this is the very first video that comes up doing it the way I’m describing th-cam.com/video/98boTtEjgfw/w-d-xo.html
@llorT here is another one that comes up in the first couple, this is a gentleman talking about two different styles and how it is thrown please watch the standing foot. I think I’ve made my point. There are plenty of people on TH-cam that will just spout off things and say you are wrong but first of all I’d like you to realize you are speaking to a lifelong martial artist that actually runs a school and teaches the kick. Second it’s important that somebody Address these type of comments for viewers to understand what is right and wrong with the fact. th-cam.com/video/1Dm4CRsf8hw/w-d-xo.html
wow. that was such a detailed and easy to understand explanation. Many thanks for this video!!
In real Karate (i mean traditional, not American one), Yoko geri needs your knee to rise up from the side, not from the front.
You can push yourself if the distance is shortened by your opponent, that's why Yoko geri is not considered as an entry kick, but as an opportunity kick. You have to break your opponent's defense before engaging this kick. That's the reason why you usually fail with it.
The kick which starts from the front and finishes with a Sokuto is called Fumikomi geri. This is a defensive kick usually performed before stepping back.
You also have Kansetsu geri which starts from the side, and specifically targets your opponent's knee. This is an entry kick usually followed by punch strikes or head grips.
Rumors has it he's out there, still kicking till this day.
I can't speak to how hard Kevin can kick, But man they certainly do look impressive.
I always specify the difference as being a "linear" kick, instead of a "round" kick. Front kicks and teeps are linear, roundhouse and hooks are round. Also, the difference between open and closed hips.
Could you elaborate a bit?
@@angelocarantino4803 linear kick comes straight forward, from point a to b. Round kick circles around to hit the target.
Open hips are like doing a split from side to side and closed hips are doing a split forward to back.
For maximal power have the crest of your hip turned to the target. The two most useful kicks are side kick , and front snap/thrust
This collab had some great info. It was also really weird to see Sense Seth go more than 10 minutes without cracking a joke
Batman after this video: "Robin, you're fired."
Robin: "Damn... If only I wasn't a "Side Kick"
LOL!!!!!
Great collaboration Guro Kevin. See you back home in a week!🙇🏾♂️
In Taekwondo, it is taught as both a kick and a way to make distance. In Hapkido, it’s used to take out a knee or leg
I always had problems with the side kick because of how you throw the kick , either raise the chamber high or just twist , leg already chamber and extend. But now I realize how you wanna throw it and it made realize to like the sidekick more because it’s one of the most useful kicks for long distance or short range .
I hope you two are training together and getting dinner at least once week. Definite BFF vibes. Excellent tips every time and the side kick is something I've always wondered about.
I love using side kicks in sparring. They definitely work, if you know how to work them. I use a step in side kick in order to close the distance between me and my opponent. I have a sideways stance going before I jump into it. I emulate many techniques from WonderBoy and Izzy Adesanya!!
They do work but many fighters dont use them because of body mechanics yes you can put one or two in a fight but it wont work if you continuesly use them like in the movies
I see everyone claiming their discipline in the comments so it's my turn!
I'm a 12th Degree Ebony Dragon Belt in Hakuna Matata with a focus in Chi Latte throwing style.
two senior martial athletes and instructors analyzing a traditional fighting technique THE SIDE KICK. After watching, I think the side kick is tricky and almost lacking in power and effect for a fighter of short stature. I also question it's reliability in a real fight. But at the end of the day, it all depends on how refined the fighter has attained the technique. Learning plenty from the videos.
I practice taekwondo and I used a side kick to defend myself and knocked the wind out of the guy. It depends on the practitioner. We can say a lot doesnt work it depends on your situation. Side kicks create distance.
Side kick has infinitely more power than the wing chun front kick.
In the Savate Workshop I was lucky enough to attend, (the same organization held a workshop with Bill Wallace :D ) there was mention of French Sailors kicking while holding ships rigging. this lets them keep balance and even harness the pitching of a ship at see for more momentum in their kicks.
Yep! Chausson was the art the French came up with for seafaring hand to hand to utilize with fencing. The fencing plus the rocking boat is why there's a lot of slide stepping in savate which mainland Japanese karate implemented.
@@gmork1090 oh Sweet! THANKS! Chausson!? I LOVE adding new info tidbits! XD~
What a shoutout to Nicolas Saignac, I received my White Gloves under him!! Learning Savate and JKD completely changed my standup style. After this video I subscribed, and I love the practical JKD and Wing Chun trapping videos. It's great to see the real applications. Keep up the great work!!
Yes!!! Professor Nicolas is my Savate teacher and he is totally amazing! Thank you!
Falling forward on the sidekick is better than falling back
The wingchun side kick can be used as a mix up tool because you can confuse your opponent by doing that start up motion they might think you going for a front kick to the body but it's actually a low side kick to the legs. Because that's how the front kick starts as well by rising your knee and simply extending it into a front kick. Therefore keeping your opponent guessing and throwing off their counters and defenses against you in sports.
This Channel is becoming great
It’s like knee stump in jiu jitsu. Good for countering side leg or knee stump. Knee stump helps you close distance to get to the T position
Classic Jiu Jitsu selfdefense! Close the gap to T-position!!
11:07 that was a very interesting insight about the base foot
Side kicks always works for me. I been side kicking for many years.
Excellent teaching!
Nevermind you just answered my question in the video 🙈💯
Can't wait to see Sensei Seth doing a video on Savate
Came here from Seths channel. This colab is cool
Double side kick got me many points. And wins.
Timing is everything .
Why they don't work: The pre-chamber is very easy to see.
How to make them work: From the pre-chamber, extend your leg halfway to-target and stop (hold onto something if you need to). That is the practical application pre-chamber for using this kick. Yes, it removes a lot of the power but, think about it like a jab. If you hold your guard halfway-ish to-target, your jab is faster and still hurts if you put the proper body mechanics behind it. However, it's just like Muay Thai in the sense that you have to actually set your kicks up with your hands.
I studied a kickboxing-heavy style of Soo Bahk Do (aka Tang Soo Do) and the Master (now 6th-degree) was a ranked full contact fighter in the '80s.
Sensei Seth sent shmee, glad to be here.
i think kevins habit of being so upright on the side kick comes from practicing the kick without making contact on anything.
It works. It can be very short and fast, without preparatory movements, on any level, with a slide or without, as a counter-attack against foot or hand attacks, or just an attack as the first number. Or you can first put out the hip as in a front kick, and follow up with a middle front, middle/high side or high mavashi kick, and the opponent will not know which kind of a kick will follow.
Recently been introduced to your channel through some of your judo content. But a long term fan of Sensi Seths. So glad to see this collab. Also really enjoyed you teaching Seth some functional Wing Chun.
Definitely earned a sub from me!
Good session. I like to see the cross training.
Great video. So many amazing set ups and techniques comes from cross training disciplines.
i think the savate swing is for when you guys are in dirty grapple range (or forearm on forearm violence if there is no grapple) and they try to hop away. You swing your arms for extra distance and then hop with them and power kick.
So, Sensei Seth and Professor Nicholas collab! Sign me up!
I know right??? I am definitely dying to see this!
Seth trying so hard to explain is kind of funny xD Thought he would be used to it from teaching others over the years :P
I am a Savateur and really appreciate the knowledge of our art brought on this video ✨🙏. If you look historically Savate influenced Karate heavily!!
Well, at least with the high kicks as that's where most of the evidence points. Mainland Japan karate took points from a lot of other arts as well.
@@gmork1090 totally and the Savate the sailors used was dirty, street-style combat that later got adopted into early military combative and even later, Krav and JKD.
As a kicking enthusiast,, I absolutely LOVED this video 💯🔥🙌🏿🥋 this lesson in kicking mechanics were phenomenal 👏🏿
Great lesson, small adjustments make a huge difference. Plant that back foot for support, feet wider than your shoulders.
if you two had a channel together, I would totally subscribe. your videos on both channels are really great!
In tkd when doing middle or high section side kick the planted foot points away from your target. It is much easier and more stable to push off of the toes than the side of the foot.
Nice collab boys!!!!!