Is Britain's Real Monarch Living in Australia?
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What are your thoughts on Queen Victoria being illegitimate?
I must’ve missed it. Where does Edward Stanford duke of buckingham come into play? Did he not claim legitimacy to the throne and wanted to rebel. It was executed by Henry 8th? Where does the Satafford line come in?
The guy that Tony Robinson found was an anti monarchist. He is dead now so his son is still a republican in the Australian sense.
The current families rise to power has been somewhat controversial as it was decidedly Continentally Germanic in origin , as opossed to the centuries old practice of descendants of the Angevin Frank's Taking the throne. They in turn had taken over the old Saxon kingdom. My families own genealogical records and archives show my descent from this House of Saxe und Gotha, The Princes of Hesse (The Elector Wilhelm 1), House of Romanovski Illyinski, William of Orange, and others back tooHenry 2 Duke of Brabant. My Great Grandmother who lived in Pennsylvania, had her furniture and linens and and clothing and other items emblazoned with, what she called, the Family Crest, which is the Electors Arms surrounded by The Order Of The Garter, with two lions rampant on either side and surmounted by a crown. These were my Mothers and her sisters rightful inheritance.
If George of York's decendents were kings
George I
Edward IV
Margaret
Henry VII
Henry VIII
Catherine
Henry IX
George II
Francis I
Henry X
Ferdinand
Theophilus I
George III
Theophilus II
Francis II
Elizabeth
Francis III
George IV
Paul I
Henry XI
Edith I
Charles
Paul II
Edith II
John II
Barbara
Michael I
Michael II
I can just imagine him in some random bar in Australia at 3am trying to convince someone that he’s the rightful king of Britain 😂
I was kinda hopping that I was the Aussie guy XD
Super Lufc *C R I K E Y*
It won’t work... I’ve already tried it!
Not Britain just England and Wales. England and Scotland got united under the Stuarts. They got the English crown via the marriage with the Tudors. And Tudors are considered illegitimate by this alternative succession.
So this leaves Scotland as an independant state with it's own monarch (descendant of the Stuarts)
@@zenitrulit2 now we need to find out who the true king of scotland should be then!!!
I support Simon’s claim if for anything just so we can have a king named Simon and he can just go around making rules and invoking Simon Says each time.
baronvg He’d change his name
If you want to scratch this itch, can I suggest you watch "King Ralph" starring John Goodman?
And one thing we could do without right now is another disaster
@@Alan.Endicott no. Don't. It's shite
Be that as it may, its central plot point is an obscure commoner becoming monarch, as would be the case with King Simon.
Imagine being able to trace your family tree back for over 700 years
Even further - Elizabeth II can trace her ancestry back to Charlamagne (roughly 800 AD), and Charlamagne's lineage can be traced back another 200/300 years. So really she can trace some of her family tree back nearly 1500 years.
I can, my family is quite ancient and noble
@@fredii2810 I can trace my family back to Piast Dynasty through female side of Silesian Dukes
Damn you guys lucky, I can trace my family to my great grandfather. I don't know anything beyond that :(
For one branch of my family, I can go back to the 1600 or 1500s. Just before my family came over to America from England. Fun fact, my family was actually present in America before the landing of the Mayflower. But like most Americans, I can't trace it back much farther than that, and the other branch of my family came much later, so peters out much earlier - around 1900 or so when my great-grandfather and great grandmother came over from Italy and Hungary, respectively. There is a possibility that the English branch can go back further, but we're missing a couple generations that would tie those that came to America to a line we found in England that goes back god only knows how far.
Even though Michael Abney-Hastings went to live farmers life in Australia, he was from a very old noble family and his son is now the 15 th Earl of Loudoun. He wasn't unaware who he was, he just wanted another kind of life. A brilliant man, made a choice to be happy.
Good for him
Does he have any power or money from being the Earl of Loudoun, or is it purely ceremonial?
@@greywolf7577they had a grand castle in England but their line was "slighted" which means their royal castle was knocked to the ground, into a heap of rubble as punishment and a humiliation ritual. They were left with a little cottage behind the palace . They were lucky to still be Lords and ladies. Their line was accused of treason (probably fabricated treason accusations-but once the monarch acuses you, nothing you can do).
@@ebonynaomi1085 Please define "little" cottage. I imagine it to be bigger than modern day McMansions.
No one "farms" in the middle of the Australian desert. It's obvious that King-in-exile Simon is breeding dragons and raising an Aboriginal army to reclaim the throne!
Emu army. They’ve won before, they will rise again.
They have a cunning plan
@@kateemma22 OMG yes! The Great Emu War of 1932. I bet his secret plan is to use the Emus as war mounts :D
Does he have a smart midget guiding him?
There are emu farms…
elizabeth: dies
charles: about to be crowned
simon: hold your horses mate
Charles: (pulls out a shotgun) Oh no you don't, I've been waiting nearly 80 years for this old woman to die and my time is NOW!
Jason that is if he can out live Elizabeth
@@gabegalaxy8467 LOL How can Charles be Waiting for 8 decades if he's still in his early 70s
@@monabohamad2242 smh Notice the world "nearly" I put before 80. Also, I hope you realize that this comment meant to be in jest, not to be taken literally. lol
@@gabegalaxy8467 Simon: Chill out mate at least you will have Scotland. But England belongs to me by right!
King Edward lll :outlives his own sons
Queen Elizabeth ll: I am determined to follow in his footsteps
Charles: Sorry, mum. It's my time to shine.
Well, she DID live long enough to see Boris Johnson fall.
Elizabeth didn’t want Charles to follow her onto the throne. Charles will bring his main mistress: Camilla - with him.
This comment aged well
William- I will outlive George Louis Charlotte
Imagine in third grade the teacher asking something interesting about everyone and Simon just says, “ I should be king of england
Nice idea however in "grade 3" as it is here in Australia it is is father who should be king.
Simon: You took everything from me
Queen Elizabeth: I don't even know who you are
This is unappreciated lol, we need more likes here
The king of Athens always good to see Endgame references
This meme template: it's like... I was made for it
wait imagine if she does though-
Ahh yes, an avengers reference
imagine living on a farm in australia,chilling with a beer and a sandwhich then a fking military convoy arrives at your front door flying the english flag,some dude in a suit steps out and walks up to you,and he's like "hello your grace"
and after they take you to local supermarket on a jet, after reaching destination, you are catapulted
"hello"
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@@smacwhinnie Well, he isn't King of Great Britain, but King of England and Wales
"Your grace" is only for monarchs on Game of Thrones, lol. Irl, it refers to Dukes and Duchesses. Iirc, a British monarch is referred to as "your majesty" upon meeting, or the first time they're addressed in a conversation, and then just "ma'am" or "sir".
CAT DURGS is
It is interesting that the Lancastrians claimed the throne of England based upon male only primogeniture ("Salic Law") at the same time as they were maintaining a claim to the throne of France based upon a form of male preference primogeniture. Henry V came close to making himself King of France, but his son Henry VI managed to lose both thrones- that of England to Edward IV, whose claim was based on male preference primogeniture, and that of France to Charles VII, whose claim was based on Salic Law.
So the Lancastrians claimed Salic Law in the male preference primogeniture country of England and claimed male preference primogeniture in the Salic Law country of France. Now that's tricky politicing!
Hail Simon, first of his name, Breaker of Emus, King of the Boomerangs and the Barbies, Slayer of Dingos, Protector of the Realm! Long may he reign.
Hail to our King!
Hear, Hear!
dilly dilly
best comment here so far, lol!
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I really liked this episode of Game of Thrones.
It looks more like Dance of the Dragons (another conflict in GoT history).
yeah GRRM took a lot of inspiration from the war of roses for the dance of dragons. like kids disappearing, bastards claiming lands etc.
@@ramanujbaruah2200 the war of the five kings was based on the war of the roses and it's the dance of dragons not dance of the dragons.....sorry I'm just very literall
@@germygutiearez2146 the dance was based on the war of roses not the war of 5 Kings although it did have some elements.
Have you ever read Terry pratchett? In the one village big country Lancre the king died and his heir wasn't made to be King. So that heir's halfbrother from a different mother became king after some back and forth. Joke is, the ex-heir and then king were both sons of the court jester. The king might have had a bastard child somewhere (he got around) but whatever.
Nobody can tell who was whose child without genetic tests anyway. There are loads of rumors and evidence that Prince Harry isn't Charles' son and that Charles and Camilla had a love child (older than William) that, amusingly, lives in australia after he was adopted by trusted servants who suddenly and inexplicably quit their job and moved to another continent with a newly adopted child.
Who knows how many of those people in that tree were really the children of the attractive earl whose country seat happened to be nearby, or the priest who took long confessions in a private room (more common than one might think, people confessed a lot and for a long time in the past) or something. I rather doubt there were too many stable boys though, high ranking ladies didn't have too much contact with those. A couple valets should be in any royal family tree that didn't get destroyed by incest though.
Edward III had a mistress as well and I related to him that way. Also related to Henry 7 through his daughter who gave us the Stuart line. These kings bred like Zeus millions of descendants out there
Just wanted to say thanks for all the fantastic videos Matt ! Very informative and entertaining. Also the charts make it much easier for me to follow along.
I think personaly michael just went to australia to recruit emus for his army to re-conquer england
Australia lost to them, why not the UK?
Why not conquer all monarchs? Any who'll oppose Simon will be trampled by a flock of giant birds. God save King Simon!
If he can sort out Brexit he has my complete support
actually some Royals married 'commoners' so as they could get away from the royal life. i've got heaps of royalty in my family and yet i'm a ""commoner""
V8carfreak As do I. One of my cousins actually had an affair with Charles I believe. Or whoever was married to Princess Diana of Wales
*The Queen wants to know your location*
Megan will divorce, a wedding between a white Muslim and a Catholic has a *expiration date* of 10 years.
Roger Diogo excuse me what?
Prince Harry converted to Islam?
@@batak6868 is that a question because if so No, he didn't.
*THE MI6 IS CURRENTLY TRACKING YOU*
Was enjoying my Christmas with my father and he brought up that the king of England fell over drunk in his back yard.. later explained he was drinking with Michael Hastings, Micheal had been doing farm work in Wakool, NSW. which is 15min from where my father lives
Michael had always known he was the rightful king but did not want the royalty
There is another aspect that could weigh heavier on Edward being illegitimate. He resembled strongly an archer of the crown than the Duke who was supposedly his father. There was no resemblance. Richard on the other hand DID resemble the father.
There were rumors at the time of his birth he was illegitimate. There was no formal christening mass in the church in front of the people just a blessing in the sacristy.
Also, Shakespeare made a reference to him being illegitimate.
This did not come up suddenly in 2004 with the revelation of one historian it was well known during Edwards's lifetime his mother had an afffair.
If there is a rumor, no proper christening, and the child looks exactly like the handsome stud the mother was supposedly having an affair with....
Yeah that Might be true
Yes,it does seem the noble archer's aim was true..
It’s almost like he resembled his mother or something… as did his eldest two siblings. Not like that ever happens!
It is true that Edward did not resemble his father. He did, however, resemble his younger brother George, both being tall and fair. Richard III was the only son who physically resembled Richard of York, both being short and dark. So does that mean that George might also have been illegitimate? If so, that would mean that Tony Robinson's theory fails. A stronger argument in Edward's favour is that there is a presumption in English law that a child born to a married woman is the offspring of her husband. That presumption can be overturned, but only by a ruling of a court which must be based upon evidence. So until we can find evidence strong enough to persuade a court that Edward was fathered by someone else, he must be presumed to be the legitimate son of Richard of York.
These days it is very easy to determine whether someone is the child of the husband or not. Just do a DNA test. Perhaps we can test the DNA of Edward IV's descendants (including the royal family) and compare them to the DNA of people who descend from Edward IV's supposed father through a different line and see if the DNA provides evidence of Edward IV being legitimate or not.
If Simon comes back to England and finds a sword in a Lake, called Excalibur, I think the people will follow him.
Supreme executive power is derived from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony
@@Deere55 No sense of humour then? Deere55 , I reckon it was a joke remark . Y'no heh heh and all that .
@@boocat8768 it's a well known quote from monty python
@@Deere55 ok , corrected , never watched Monty python .
But excalibur is Celtic
It's also worth noting that if Simon would be declared king, he would only be king of England and not Scotland, as he would not be a descendant of the Stuart family.
Act of union.......
The Scots never really had a good synergy with England... And the troubled and short lived reign of the Scottish Stuart's further enforces this tendency down to this current Scottish independence movement.
I'm not sure Elizabeth II has the Stewart ancestry too. one time I was bored so I did Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip's genealogies and she's related to him and every family in UK
@@annm.7176 she does have Stewart family she is a direct descendant of James VI of Scotland
That didn't come out like I wanted her to, but I know she does but they said there is no Royal Stewart line which I don't understand.
You know, while this is two years old, it is missing the rather important link to Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, also being Margaret Tudor’s grandson, from her second marriage. This marriage solidified James’s ascension to the throne by uniting the two claims
I just did a random what if where Richard III and Henry Tudor died in the Wars of the Roses, the throne went through the lines of Edward V's sister Katharine and it still went to the Abney-Hastingses
Game of Thrones but instead of Daenerys bringing her dragons to Westoros, King Simon brings his killer kangaroos.
Oh no not the Kangaroos
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Don't forgot about the emus
@@Martinxo51 Emus would sooner die than listen to humans
Myamdane yeah those things are vicious they aint listening to know one
Guys I researched and apparently Simon said that he would rather be in his small house in Australia than a 1000 bedroom house in England, what a simple man.
No a bloody honest one.
The sort of king we need but don't deserve
you said "simon said" ha
Simple Simon
Brandon RH
Damn it, we cant force him to the throne then..
These memes are so good that we'll probably go to hell laughing at this lmao.
Very cool video man, good job!
Imagine living a simple, good life and a random dude knocks at your door and says that you are king of the country you left for australia.
I dont know how i would react.
Probably the same way i react when i get an e-mail from a nigerian prince claiming that i now own a considerable amount of money and that i only need to give him my credit card information and social security number to access it.
-Neat
Well at the time of the documentary in question, Simon's family laughed like drains at the news!
well, pretty sure he knew he is an Earl and that he is connected to the Hastings family, which he must have known is connected to the royals. he might not have known how direct it all is and about the claim of illegitimacy but there is almost no way he did not know he is related to them
there is only one Way to react, get a Army and reclaim all lost lands of the britsh empire
The virgin queen Elizabeth vs the chad king Simon
Pretty sure Queen Elizabeth ll isn't a virgin. That was Elizabeth l
Joanne Shim r/whoosh
@@Klb818 is it though?
Joanne Shim I'm pretty sure this is a virgin v Chad meme
@@Klb818 oh. Never heard of it
After all the vids of yours I have seen, I subscribed!
Your charts are awesome gonna buy one soon ☺️
As a Crusader Kings 2 player, the idea that the whole of the British royal line since 1461 might have been descendants of a secret affair is delicious. Thank you for sharing that with us.
That all depends on whether there was a courtier with the genius trait
The habsburgs are marrying into so many different royal families they may need to start marrying each other.
You got the I N B R E D trait
Good job, that will make a good ruler
@@PuckishAngeI Fun fact: The Habsburgs were *so* inbred, there is actually a Genetic Diseaes named after them. Habsburg Lip!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prognathism#Mandibular_prognathism_(progenism)
I'm personally disappointed by them not converting to Zoroastrianism, nor having any horses in the line of succession...
@@christopherg2347jaw, not lip...
I will defend Simons claim from this day until my last day. He is
THE KING IN THE SOUTH!
*Holds up glass* AYE, TO THE KING IN THE SOUTH!
The King Downunder
DAKINGINDASOUF
Lets raise an army Lads
Can we all agree that this is the best documentary that breaks down this puzzle easily,there's alot of mystery things in this world..
Inaccuracy: I noticed in the chart that it says Henry V ruled from 1399 to 1413 that was his fathers dates of reign
Okay it's official. Australia declares this man king and claims ownership of Britain.
Edit: Or, we claim our independence from Britain and crown this man the King in the South!
Let's do it
Funny thought exercise. Could Australia take the UK? As in, plane for plane, ship for ship, man for man, etc? It'd be bloody close, either way I think!
Another revolution, love it!
All Hail Simon I Abney-Hastings! The Upside Down Monarch!
Warden of the south and protector of the realm, the King in the South!
Well he wouldn't be the monarch of Britain, he just would be of England and Wales. Elizabeth II would still be Elizabeth I of Scotland.
Elisabeth *II you mean.
@@KyrstOak no, the current Elizabeth is Elizabeth the second of England and first of Scotland.
@@finlay8781 Ah, ok.
@@finlay8781 No, she is queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
@@libertariantiger correctly is the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (although NI it's not a kingdom).
The kingdoms of Great Britain which are united are Scotland, England and Wales.
These kingdoms are united primarily because they all shared (and share) the same monarch.
Elizabeth II of England is also the first queen of Scotland called Elizabeth, there-in Elizabeth I of Scotland.
If you want to classify the UK as one whole kingdom then she would be Elizabeth I of the United Kingdoms, as Elizabeth I of England was alive before the shared monarch (actually it was her death which caused all four kingdoms to be united).
I love that you get into other possibilities because I like to think what if and u give idea of what could have happened
Thank you mate, it’s interesting to see Americans fascinated with our monarchy’s history.
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Even if Edward IV was illegitimate, that wouldn’t change the fact that Henry VII won the title by conquest. If you can’t win by conquest then William the conqueror wouldn’t be king. But titles have been won by conquest all the time throughout history and no one disputes this. So the theory fall on that fact alone.
Agreed. If I take a castle by force, slay all those that were there before me, and then have all the countryside around pay my tribute: well then, that makes me the King, dunnit?
@@tjsogmc Yes, unless someone else captures you (in which case you failed). This is basically how it has worked for centuries, and how it actually works many places today. When people speak of military coups today, that is the same thing. The difference is that the leader will often declare himself president instead of king (depending on the country).
@@tjsogmc Yeah, pretty much.
I'll do you one better: The Act of Settlement in 1701 basically throws out all the cruft and designates Sophia of Hannover and her descendents as heir to the throne. This came into force when her son George became George I in 1714. Since Parliamentary Supremacy is a thing, this renders any and all genealogical claims from before 1701 time academic and without legal claim. If Simon wants his throne, he'll need to do a Henry VII.
RMS Oceanic Ah, the “Royal Restart”, it’s sole purpose was to prevent any claims from all other branches of THIS disgusting family tree
Those forest fires in Australia were due to Simon's dragons.
looool your awesome! All hail Daenerys Targaryen, long shall she reign.
You will get your karma for saying that 🙂
A nice thought, even though just a little medieval. Actually, those fires were set by the elite to clear away forested areas and residences for planned-for future 'developments', along the route of a new railway line. Soz-hate to burst yer bubble!
Khal of the outback
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Thank you very much for the interesting information.
Facinating and clear explanation. Thank you.
Found a perfect solution! Australia should remove itself from the commonwealth and appoint Simon as king instead! Simon, the king of Australia!
that would be sweet!
@@rjmurphyo0 .... and Earl of Loudon don't you forget.
@Johny Myers Mate that was micheal
So we would have a small section of England and Australia as our kingdom? Kool, all hail King Simon.
Johny Myers - Simon is alive, his dad Michael died in 2012.
So the Hastings family has been kept away from the Throne for 500 years? Damn..
Yes
Freddie Mercury
Except for the fact that they’re not at all interested in being royalty, of course.
@@ragnkja well his father wasn't xp
Very informative!
13:27 The Earldom of Loudoun actually came to the Rawdon-Hastings family when Francis Rawdon-Hastings, 1st Marquess of Hastings married Flora Mure-Campbell, Countess of Loudoun. She passed the title to her son George, 2nd Marquess of Hastings, and the title came to Edith after her brothers (Paulyn, 3rd Marquess & Henry, 4th and last Marquess) died without heirs, extinguishing the Marquessate.
all this video can be summed up in one sentence "Henry VII claimed the throne based on conquest".
As did Edward IV, making any claimed illegitimacy irrelevant.
@@j-mshistorycorner6932 Exactly. If it hadn't been for Edward IV's military skills, the Yorkist line would not have come to possess the throne.
Only one small problem - Henry Tudor was very careful to emphasise that his right to the throne was by right of conquest - by invasion - and had this confirmed by his first Parliament.
@Oreus I'd love to see a video on that, actually.
Who would be the ruling monarch if right of conquest was deemed illegitimate?
@@mattevans4377 Ultimately nobody would be - every royal lineage was ultimately created through conquest.
Thought Henry 7th just bribed or back mailed the Stanley's to not fight...... This definitely caused Richard 3rd to lose most of his men to the other side..... Then Henry gets his Kingship "back dated" by his parliament to the day before the battle at Bosworth Field and makes everyone originally on Richard's ( the king's) side a traitor in the process.......an easy way to get lands and control..... Nice..... It's all a good story.... Politics sucks and the winners write the history books......
There's another small problem. Succession is an absolute clusterfuck and there are hundreds of question marks of comparable significance. If you can rearrange the whole thing by tracing back this far for one technicality you can undoubtedly come up with a million and one "legitimate" kings and queens depending which arbitrary variations on historical succession law you choose to adhere to.
I'm a (lowercase-r) republican though so I can think of an even better answer.
@@Sammie_Sorrelly your answer is the the people of Great Britain as a whole, right?
The “ordinary guy” in Australia is still a bloody Earl.
You really are a most valuable as well as a thoroughly entertaining resource for any and all who are interested in history--whether specific, comparative or speculative--mythology, genealogy, taxonomy, and, well, the many other subjects whose videos of yours I have (thankfully) yet to discover! (sorry for the run-on sentence)
The TH-cam landscape always seems a clean, well-lighted place after viewing your contributions!
Henry 7 claims the throne by right of conquest. Since that's how families become "royal" to begin with, that pretty much trumps every other claim.
exactly. right of conquest is just as legitimate as inheritance.
@@wolfruhn also William the inheriter is a lame title to have
Great - so if I take my family to London and beat the Queen up, do I become King?
@@phillwainewright4221 only if you also kill most of the current government and have an army large enough to occupy the UK.
anyone can kill a monarch, but it takes the support of the people to become one.
@@phillwainewright4221 yes, but i doubt the guards will let u do that
who would dare dig up Edward IV and take DNA testing
THAT would be interesting... but unlikely
yo mama
There are plenty of cadavers that lay in tombs at Westminster. It could be done, but needs permission by the Queen.
That's illegal without the consent of the the current "sitting" monarch. Would Elisabeth approve a request to disturb a royal crypt? No! Especially if it's true that Edward 3 & Edward 4 weren't related at all. It's possible that if some DNA was abstracted from both dead kings or even from Richard 3 & if Edward 4 doesn't match up with either Edward 3 or Richard 3 then it still might not be enough to have the Windsors or Glucksburgs (Yes, we are calling Elisabeth 2's descendants Glucksburgs for that's what they are! Not that it matters for they're illegitimate "especially Prince Harry & his would be descendants" because the Hanovers were illegitimate!). Because of Henry 7's Victory thru Conquest claim. Also, Simon has no right to use the Hastings since it's not his father's surname or even his mother's maiden name! Just because you descend from a family doesn't mean you can use their name if you're not immediately from the family. So his real name is Simon Lord-Abney (Yep, I went Spanish on you all). Speaking of Spain, Although Philip 6 is legitimate. His 2 daughters aren't!! Why? Because the queen has no right to be the Queen since she married another man before Philip & her "real" husband is still alive! Now this might be fine in Britain but Spain is a Catholic Country & the Monarch is head of the Church of Spain which is Roman Catholic! So technically Philip the 6 is unmarried & has no legitimate offsprings. So who is his heir then? Well he does have 2 older sisters who themselves have kids but the 1st sister is also illegitimate for the same reason as the pretender queen! Divorce is a No-No! What part of "Until Death Do Us Part" do you not understand?! Also, her ex husband isn't considered a member of the royal family anymore because of that. If that's the case, then the children along with the Princess should also be cut off without question or regret! So what about the 2nd sister? Well although she herself also got divorced, we can forgive her because it was out of her husband getting arrested & incarcerated! She does have a son & daughter, so that makes Philip's nephew the true heir to the Spanish Throne!
@@FlamingBallads I was enjoying this entertaining (though lunatic) argument, but you lost me with "we can forgive her because...of her husband getting arrested." Maybe WE can, but will the Lord? Seems to me that"...til death do us part" doesn't allow for exceptions to be made because of mere incarceration. That's not in the rules. I'm afraid both Spanish hussies have disqualified themselves and you're going to have to keep looking.
Thanks for a great explanation.
Absolutely brilliant, wish I'd seen this back in my 'cse history' lessons 😩 I still managed a 'cse grade 1' though, and I still thought a "Plantagenet" was something you planted flowers in 🥀 Grade 1 being the highest score in 1984 😇
Know wonder kids today think they know "evryfink..." Maybe they do with tools like this.
No seriously, catching up on your other videos, incredible knowledge. Thank you
Looking at that family tree...sweet home Alabama
😂🤣 I just came from an inbred royalty video good God so disgusting.
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If you look at the rest of Europe our monarchy is as clean as anything.
I seriously want to know what alabama has to do with incest!
@Kingpenguin101 That's dumb... I should see more jokes about austrians being incest because that kinda makes sense!
I have met Michael Abney-Hastings, he was a really nice guy and gentleman and i was saddened to hear of his passing
@Winston Mcgee Michael Abney-Hastings was literally an average dude living on a farm in Australia until 2012. Why is it so implausible to have met him?
He looked like he would have been the rightful King without hate and prejudice it's sad he wasn't KING
Really enjoyed this
I would argue that the Tudors winning the War of Roses would mean the current line is indeed legitimate.
This could easily be solved by looking at the DNA. People in the comments have pointed out that to sequence new DNA we would need permission from the queen to exhume bodies, however, Richard III's body was recently recovered and the DNA has already been sequenced to determine it's authenticity. We can do this today people.
Except that the actual rate of false paternity is higher than anyone wants to admit. These are dark corners that bloodline dynasties do not want to explore. The legitimate line broke SOMEWHERE in the last several centuries if not decades.
Other than the right of conquest by Henry VII makes his claim irrelevant.
Also he's not a descendant of Sophie of Hannover therefore he has no claim as the government made a law saying the monarch has to be a decent if Sophie of Hannover
@Karen Patterson Edward IVs paternity is the one in question not Henry VII. Edward IV is buried in St George's Chapel Windsor Castle but you'd need permission from the Queen for DNA testing.
@@the_dropbear4392 is this a valid CASUS BELLI?
It was done, result: a carpenter in London
Wow I did not realise the amount of incest involved in this story 😂
European nobility for you.
It takes an average intellect human to realise that royal families are all inbred.
It takes an slightly-above-average intellect human to realise that Queen Elizabeth and King Philip are technically cousins.
It takes an above-average intellect human to realise that every major royal family in Europe is probably somehow related to one another.
It takes a generally smart person to realise that we are all inbred.
All hail the divine blood!
@@Kalidoscope1230 👍👍👍
Kalidoscopic Duck yup every single one of us had inbreeding somewhere in our family line some more than others we wouldn’t be here without it!
Not really, the effects of inbreeding wont occur with this level inbreeding. By which i mean everyone is inbred at different levels, and if there is no problem as a result of the breeding, it shouldnt be considered to be inbreeding, especially in derogatory way. Your myth is very widespread and may have quite subversive origins.
I’m a direct descendant of William the conquerer. Technically my dad would be the duke of York right now apparently
Better your dad than the POS that currently holds that title.
As far as I knnow, if Edward IV's father accepted him as his son, it doesn't really matter who his biological father was. He is counted as legitimate.
As a very patriotic Brit, i love Queen Liz
But
An Australian farmer turning out to be the true King of England is actually badass and like something out of a movid
David Williams made a tacky movie, forgot what it was called
Imagine people still thinking "rightful heir" mean anything in the modern world, when it absolutely didnt back in medieval ages. Ity was all politics back then too. And even if you had the strongest claim you'd still have to go to war to win your throne, if the other person didnt want to give it up. Let the inbreds in royalty enjoy it. Theyre useless anyway
You’re queen is part of a cult if u didn’t know. Windsor’s aren’t even their name. They’re not British but instead German and are part a international cabbal. Do some deep research don’t let patriotism confuse u
I'm sorry, being a patriotic Brit does not equate to loving Elizabeth II, or any member of the royal family. Patriotism mean being devoted to ones country. Despite the UK having a national anthem that's only about one person, the Queen is simply Head of State. She is NOT the country. Maybe to many she symbolizes the country, but symbols of a country (monarchs, flags, etc.) are just that. Symbols.
Loving your country should mean you want what is best for it in its entirety. As a fellow patriotic Brit, my take on what is best for the country is probably rather different from your, and it is not foolishly mixed up with one family.
@@JonS so you consider it to be patriotic to dispose of the current british royal family?
Corrections:
- Henry V reigned 1413-22
- Richard, brother of Edward V, died 1483
- Mother of Lady Jane Grey was Frances, not Francis
- James I reigned 1603-1625
Hi how are you doing I was wondering if you can do a chart on the Swedish Royal family and the Scottish Royal family
Scotland is already done. Check my playlists. Sweden is coming later this year...
@@UsefulCharts thanks and I love your videos your voice is very relaxing
@@UsefulCharts i also thought scotland wasnt done, its because you have it under the wrong playlist. it should be in the british royal family playlist not european dynasties since its the scottish line that takes precedence over the english line for the british monarch.
@@UsefulCharts When you do the Swedish Royal family tree, mention the rules of succession. You can find them on the Wikipedia page "line of succession to the Swedish throne".
he's BEST known for time team playing Tony Robinson lol. he's also a total legend.
The one with Tony Robinson doing peasants revolt of late 14th century (1381 I think ) has Mike loades AND Toby capwell curator of the London armory and his brother LARPing the March to London being narrated by Tony and its a straight up history nerds "avengers assemble. " moment.
I watched that documentary and was completely captivated. Michael was a gentle soul. Rest In Peace, King Michael
It's time for Jeremy Kyle to reveal if Richard of York is the father.
Australia should split off from the British monarchy and create a new monarchy to oppose it with Simon as the rightful heir. I just want a king of Australia.
No. Never!!!
Elizabeth II is the Queen of Australia. It is one of her titles.
@@EchoBravo370 well yeah, she's the queen of the whole commonwealth. It would be neat to have a monarch dedicated solely to Australia.
I am with Simon. Who would want to be king of the U.K. When you could be an Australian
Well Elizabeth 2nd is also the Queen of Australia (individually that is). So him as a Governor General or Viceroy?
I don't think Simon gives a rip! He's happier in Australia and who wouldn't be!
Fascinating. Thanks!!!!
*you have gained a weak claim on the Kindom of England. -50 opinion from Queen Elizabeth of England: Title claimant.
/yesman
Nerd With an Opinion Actually Parliament declared that all Monarchs have to be descended from Sophia of Hanover Not William the Conquerer
@@goldeviolets4314 It's just a ck2 meme
but that claim is stronger than Elizabeth's herself. at best he is Queen of Scotland if Britain should collapse
debug_yesmen
I'm related to Richard the Thirds eldest sister Anne of York (not on your chart) Via my GGGran.
I'm also Australian.
The plot thickens.
Go the Yorkies!
Do you have the correct haplotype?
@@marciamarcia2286 you can only prove that with Y DNA testing though. He said he is related to the Plantaganets through a female line
@@lightyagami3492 do you know that over 60% of the world is genetically related to Genghis Khan you can find a link to anyone
@@zenko247 most of those people would be genealogically related to him not genetically related to him. The paper trail is nice but actually sharing parts of your chromosomes with your preferred famous person is a very very exclusive club.
If your king can I have some money
The show must go on.
There are beautiful and great persons such as Jordan Maxwell , Fritz SPRINGMEIER , David Icke and many others exposing and presenting thier works.
Thank you for vidéo.
As has been pointed out elswhere in this comments thread, Parliament decides who should be the monarch, and did so when they passed the act naming the decendents of Sophia of Hanover. In any case, Tony Robinson also highlighted the fact that the Earls of Huntingdon chose the wrong side in the Civil War and were (i think) stripped of their titles and lands as a result. Michael know of all this and was suitably unimpressed by the possibility of his being king. He was also aware that he (and now Simon) was still the earl of Loudon. Title, but no money!
Can you imagine telling the Windsor’s sorry you are out! Time to find real jobs! 😂
They do a lot of jobs actually. Whether we want to acknowledge that or not. The amount of charities they’re are apart of is amazing.
I think they have already done that ( 2020)
I would love that
@@leval1000 they get the money for the charities from tax payers though,if they are no longer monarchs the tax payers money won’t be going to them anymore resulting in them not doing charity work anymore
Bruh they would just be a rich family with a rich history then lmao.
This explanation of the War of the Roses is the best I've seen.
Tony Robinson is equally well perhaps more well known for hosting the highly popular and long running , Archaeology series Time Team
Francis Rawdon Hastings was my great x 7 grandfather's closest friend! its cool how you can connect to so many people!
SIMON, YOU ARE THE RIGHTFUL HEIR TO ENGLANDS THRONE!!!!
Simon: Shes my queen.
she's muh kween
I dun wann it
And what about Harold Godwin's descendants? He was King before William of Normandy defeated and killed him in 1066, taking the Throne. I have no idea who the rightful Godwin heir is or where he lives.
Oh gosh not again
@@jeanninegodwin2285 well, King by conquest?
Edward IV, even if illegitimate, could claim right of conquest because he deposed Henry VI.
16:47
No, it would make him an usurper, not a conquerer. Huge distinction. Being a conquerer requires.. conquest. Stabbing someone in the back does not a conquerer make. Nobody likes an usurper.
Love it how you have the Yorkshire Rose the right way round.
Hey I discovered your videos today and I just love it ! Just an error : Margaret Pole was older than Edward Plantagenet. Just saying. :) And If you followed primogeniture, she's the perfect candidate.
Like could you imagine the look on their sobby British faces when Simon marches in parliament reeling in that sweet sweet hierarchy & hes an aussie .
G’day mates, I heard I was yer King. Where’s me crown?
@@kateemma22 and me fish and chips .
VB Longneck in hand.
@@silliestsususagest3276 Only if parliment is legitimate
@@silliestsususagest3276 Parliment is convened by a Monarch, so every law passed after a false succession would be null and void.
Perhaps this was Baldrick's cunning plan all along...
I have a cunning plan to make an Aussie king...
woah
It was Walpole
The absolute Mastermind
Thats the plot in Blackadder 5.
its now time for simeon to retake his throne!
i like how they think edward the iv is illegitimate, rather than the fact that his mother had him prematurely, like is common.
“Let’s start out with the war of the roses”
*grabs popcorn* this is gonna be good
**Three hours later**
Hmm let's get simon's son or daughter marry the Queen's Grandchildren? Joining the bloodline/houses again
Already being done! King Harry married someone connected above the point where the problem originated from - THEIR children will once again be legitimate heirs, that's why Prince Charles & Prince William & their kids were not considered.
IronButterfly1023 they are considered, because they are rightful heirs. Cut out your propaganda bullshit, and acknowledge the fact that IF Elizabeth ever dies, prince Charles will succeed her, because that’s how it works. You are brainwashed.
That's such a genuinely mediaeval solution, doubling up your claims- I love it! There are far more examples than Henry VII & Elizabeth of York, such as Mary Queen of Scots & Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley. They were both descended from the Tudors: they were half-cousins through their grandmother Margaret Tudor, Henry VII's daughter.
I doubt that will be ok in this time
I wouldn't put it past them, didn't they do something similar with the Jacobites via Princess Di
“The real monarch is the one sat on the throne”. Exactly.
Yes, but I'm sure Simon sits on his throne in the dunny out the back of the farm house from time to time.
“Claims of illegitimacy were there at the time”
You mean one being from his own mother
Shouldn't the claim by conquest (by Henry VII) still be legitimate [enough] for the claim to stand? Even if he married an illegitimate descendant..?
I think so.
@@UsefulCharts Exactly. This alone negates the Simon's *would-be* claim (I bet he couldn't care less actually).
Great vid as per usual! Thanks!
illegitimate children dont count, the correct bloodline of succession is Prince Joseph Wenzel of Liechtenstein of the jacobites and is unarguable, which makes him king of scotland england ireland and france.
so since the bigoted act of settlement of 1701 that bans catholics from the throne was annulled in 2013, he is now the rightful and correct king.
@@ryang6397 Actually it only states that monarchs can marry Catholics. They still have to be Protestant. But if people got sick of the House of Windsor and wanted it replaced then I would want Joseph to be King. After all he does have experience.
Henry Tudor (VII) was sufficient enough to reign because of his direct descent from the Duke of Lancaster John of Gaunt.
I’m a direct descendant of Edward the III through roger Mortimer’s sister Elizabeth. I go through the Wentworth, the seymours, the knightly’s all the way to me. Edward is my 22nd great grandfather. I claim the throne!!!! 😂😂😂
I support this ,you will only have to kill a couple hundred of people to become monarch
let’s do it lads, Mac angus for king
long live king Mac Angus!!!!
I support you. So can you appoint me a minister when you get it?
Yeah right. And I am descended from Louis XIV's children.
I 100% endorse this theory.
love the series and the french one.
it's like the whole history of this country in 20 min
I LIKE ( with Borat's voice ) 😂
Ole’ Elizabeth takes a sip of tea and says: “Looks like I’m gonna have to pull a Diana here on young Simon!”
Thelondonbadger Queen Elizabeth: “This is what I call a pro gamer move”. Burns Australia to the ground.
Bil Billy I hope u don’t mean that Elizabeth plotted Diana death
@@Briisneat I hope you got the joke, and it didn't wooosh over your head.
@@AVeryRandomPerson yeah I got it
she would do it..
Can you imagine, if Simon just marched to the Buckingham paace, like a boss and said: "Betty, I'm legitimate ruler, you're not! Get lost!"
As amusing as that is, he isn't the legitimate ruler, so it can't happen.
@@j-mshistorycorner6932 Pfft
I would support him
The ‘if’ game seems to fall apart with the objection that even if Edward IV was illegitimate, Henry VII still defeated Richard at Bosworth, which on many other occasions had been enough on its own to secure the throne. An interesting game, but I don’t think it’s in any way “Real”.
In all of this alternative successions, can you some time look at what would happen if the throne had passed to Mary Tudor queen of France’s grandchildren after Elizabeth 1 died? That was after all what Henry 8th wanted in his will. Also discuss how realistic that would be in those days rather than James 1 that had Scottish heritage.