Fun fact: the 1701 rules say that any legitimate descendent of Sophia of Hanover is in line of the throne and that's currently over a thousand living people. Years ago, they tracked down the last in line for the throne and she turned out to be a 40-year-old German postal worker.
9nikolai imagine you’re an orphan, life is bad cause no parents, and suddenly a guy appears in the building and says some stuff about you being a king, and now you’re laughing at this guy, but then the whole parliament fucking shows up and drops a crown on you
@@megaagentj2248 Yup. You'd either be so happy in a innocent way or very power hungry or something. Or you could just be reluctant and say to "go down from the throne" immediately after coronation, and the finding of the new monarch continues. But wait, what if they all refuse? Does the Prime Minister get to become King/Queen?
From what I understand, Canada hasn't updated our primogenitor rules, because we don't care super much about the monarchy. But the queen is still *technically* the head of state, so there could be a situation where England recognizes one heir, but Canada can't legally recognize them, and we end up with separate monarchs
Í mean, it would make more sense that canada's rule would be more like "King of the UK = King of canada", but this is only a supposition, since i don't really know.
Surprised there wasn't more discussion about Commonwealth realms here. When it was time to update the rules of inheritance, all the Commonwealth Realms gathered together to agree on it jointly, known as the Perth Agreement in 2011. All Commonwealth realms (note: not Commonwealth *countries*, but the realms, i.e. those that have Elizabeth II as Queen) then passed legislation within their own countries to implement the agreement.
Loving how the TH-cam algorithm decides to make this a recommended video in 2022 after Queen Elizabeth’s passing. Gotta love them engagement algorithms…
Well the current Russian tsar may very well be richer than the British royals. He had no problem making his son-in-law the youngest billionaire, for example. So not too shabby, Mr. President.
I imagine the crown is a living entity and it searches for suitable hosts through this process. Everytime the rules are to be updated they must first consult the crown
It's a bit late now but Prince Philip WAS in line to the throne. He was number ~300 as the great-grandson of one of Queen Victoria's daughters. But he would have had to outlive all his own descendants and all the descendants of Victoria's sons until it's time to look at Victoria's daughters. It's a bit moot now but that could have been a movie plot in the 90s, someone's been killing off distant relatives to the Queen and it turns out to be Philip working on becoming King by killing hundreds and hundreds of people with better claims than his own.
Why’d I think of the hunting incident where the fictional character, Cleetus, accidentally kills his son in a hunting accident then is scared for life?
Imagine being Henry I, just casually killing your brother for the crown, but then hundreds of years later it's a well-known fact that people make jokes about.
I’d like to see a TV show, a bit like Designated Survivor, when a tragedy strikes the royal family and some average European dude has to take on the crown. That’d be cool.
Ever heard of Blackadder? It has something to do with that, although I don’t know much about it. Regardless, if you like British comedy, black comedy, and upper-class twits, it’s a classic.
3:06 you say the Crown will always go up one level if the family tree dies out, but the Act of Settlement 1701 specifies it has to be a descendant of Sophia of Hanover which is still thousands of people today but not every European alive.
Well, not even europe. Basically the entire western world. Americans, Canadians, Australians, Kiwis are probably on average way closer to the crown than some slavic dude in eastern europe.
Imagine the stress on the gynecologist performing a c-section on a set of twins of the queen mother to be. He literately gets to pick the next king or queen.
laws are written by men and can be also unwritten by men, kill lots of people, catholic or not, if you dominate you can proclaim yourself king or queen and then your say is final, change all the laws you want
Thank you noble CGP Grey for helping me secure the position. You will be knighted for your strategic efforts. I hope everyone can follow the tutorial and become queen/king as well!
Spain isn't just your only option. You can also choose between: Belgium, Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, or Luxembourg. These are the currently existing monarchies in Europe that allows a Catholic to become a monarch.
well - you can take your time until they have children. You have to hide it better that you ate your twin when you to it postnatal instead of prenatal, but - well - that is rather a technicallity.
3:36 Also, when the primogeniture is male preference, the dynasty remains patrilineal. In other words, if one day, a queen is crowned and marries her not king, but prince consort, the royal house changes to the prince consort's royal house. In absolute primogeniture, the total patrilineal dynastical system becomes cumbersome as the royal house will theoretically change every 2 generations instead of many, so they made it so the dynasty will become matrilineal whenever a queen is crowned. In other words, the royal house will remain the same forever (assuming every king/queen dies with an heir) as changing royal houses increases the chance of the monarchy being abolished. Also, this absolute primogeniture gives birth to the term "King Consort" in royalty, as the dynasty became matrilineal. That is why King Charles III belongs to the house of Windsor, and not Mountbatten. If Queen Elizabeth died before 2013, the UK will get to have a chance to open its last royal house, the House of Mountbatten (because no more royal houses will open in the future due to absolute primogeniture, assuming no kings/queens will die without any heir).
Annielyn Saga he actually was mostly just king 700 years before these rules were written and also had a larger army then anyone else so it wouldn’t have mattered no matter what kind of bastard or catholic he was
Fun fact, in Poland, back when we had monarchy, "królowa" ("queen") was the title of the royal consort. When we had an actual female monarch, she was referred to as "król" ("king").
@@rachelcookie321 there was no such case in Polish history. We only had two female kings and when they got married, their husbands took over the throne.
@@rachelcookie321 Poland is a bit special, because they have an Elective Monarchy. Which is how you get seemingly strange things like, the King of Sweden also being the King of Poland-Lithuania, or the Elector of Saxony being the King of Poland-Lithuania at the same time.
Eliminating the male part of the primogeniture rule had actually been agreed to in 2011. It took some negotiation because it had to be agreed upon by all the realms for whom the British Monarch is the head of state. When the law was actually passed in 2013, it was more or less a formality. And in the event, there are now a line of three males for the throne after Elizabeth, so it'll be the better part of a century before the change has any real effect, assuming nothing serious happens to George.
Lytrigian They didn't *have* to change it in each realm: they *could* have allowed the different realms to have different rules, in which case the thrones would (eventually) separate. Would have been (a) interesting and (b) very very messy, so I can see why they didn't want to, but it's a theoretical possibility. And, actually, they didn't have to get *all* the countries to agree, because many Commonwealth Realms don't set out rules for inheritance: they simply specify that the Monarch of the UK is also their Monarch. TRiG.
TRiG (Ireland) It would be a very strange circumstance given that, for instance, the Queen of Australia is legally distinct from the Queen of England, but that office happens to be held by the same person. But if Charlotte was born first and Australia hadn't amended the laws of primogeniture, it would be strange for her to be the Queen of England and George to be the King of Australia but with no actual power to rule Australia.
So Quebec couldn't thwart it? The Constitution of Canada has to be amended to put this new rule into effect in Canada, and because of Quebec, even thinking about amending Canada's constitution will stir up a huge hornet's nest.
denelson83 The Constitution has to be amended? Where in the Constitution of Canada (by which I mean the consolidation of the various Constitution Acts and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) does it lay down the law for succession of the throne? It took an act of Parliament, nothing more, and it was passed in 2013. (Called, unsurprisingly, the Succession to the Throne Act, 2013.)
Important side note: the change from male primogeniture to absolute primogeniture is not applied retroactively. So Elizabeth II's daughter, even though she is not the youngest of the four, would have to wait for the crown to pass through the lineages of her three brothers first before she could become Queen
@@karatewithelian9014 Prince Philip is no longer available to receive the crown due to a lack of being alive. However, the crown will still pass through his offspring, meaning William is currently next in line.
He left out one important bit: the Succession to the Crown Act 2013 is not retroactive. Those born BEFORE 28 October 2011 follow the old format (male primogeniture). Those born after will fill cognatic (gender-neutral) order. Thus, any further children born to the Cambridges will come after Charlotte. Any children born to Harry will follow the new formula.
This is a good point. Though you really have to dig down in the line of succession before you find someone that would have benefited from a retroactive application, namely, Princess Anne and her family. The Princess is currently 13th in line but if the fourth rule for male preference had been repealed, she would be 7th after Prince Harry.
@@eliegbert8121 It's all but guaranteed. Even if we presume Prince Charles dies before Queen Elizabeth II (which is unlikely) the next in throne is Prince William, who will (unless something very unforeseen happens) will become King. And even if Prince William cannot become King (because he somehow dies) his son, Prince George, is next in line to the throne. The next person who could conceivably become queen is George's sister, Charlotte. Its possible, but obviously highly, highly unlikely.
One thing this video didn't mention is that legally not everyone with European ancestry is in the line of succession. You MUST be a direct descendent of Sophia of Hanover, not just any English king. That being said, I believe the latest estimates give about 5000 legal heirs to the throne.
I can imagine a set of twins and the one that's just about four minutes older than the other twin gloating about how they'd get the crown because they're just barely older.
SlytherinSnake6886 I imagine that it doesn't really matter what order they come out in, when the time comes the parents could lie and say one was born before the other to ensure they got the crown, nobody could dispute it and the children certainly couldn't know any better.
Maybe not. When the, then, Princess Elizabeth was told she would likely be queen one day her younger sister expressed sympathy for her. No one is really jumping for the job.
+Baeagon Catholic Church? Full of lefties? I'd understand if you complained about the pedophiles, but liberals? In the Catholic Church? Either you don't understand what a liberal is and you're just using it as a derisive for everyone you don't agree with, or they don't understand what being a liberal is, because being a liberal in the Catholic Church is like being a black man in the Nazi party.
Step 1 : send you chancellor to build a claim on an english county Step 2 : repeat until you have more than half of a duchy Step 3 : claim all counties and win the war Step 4 : usurp the duchy title Step 5 : press de jure claims on the rest of the duchy Step 6 : repeat steps 1-5 until you have more than half of the counties or England Step 7 : usurp the English throne Step 8 : now make the same for Wales, Scotland and England until you have more than 80% of the british islands Step 9 : emperor of Britannia, finally !
+scarfacemperor You can eliminate Step 8 since England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all share the British Monarch. As an added plus, you'd also be the monarch over every country in the Commonwealth of Nations (countries which have seperate prime ministers and paliaments but the same king/queen)
+Ten-Eight He was making a joke about a video game in which the primary goal is to get to power of a country then take other countries over and to make sure that you have a good heir with skills.You should play it there is nothing better than sending your children to prison to be executed because they are all hunchbacks.
actually now a days you'd live in a castle /palace specifically the last monarchs palace amd you'd pretty privileged and forever praised for restating human rights
Though it's pointless choice, more like doing a coin flip to decide some someone other people's dispute: you don't know about the outcome's outcome, you don't know what kind of people those are, you know nothing and are just doing the motions.
@@xxTamisxx Or... *grabs knife* "Should I just kill it, or cut out his testicles, do surgery, and feed him hormones?" Such a dark minded feminist doctor would probably be fired before she'd be able to say then do that so, thank God!
1980 my country's (Sweden) Act of Succession was updated and the rule was changed from agnatic primogeniture to absolute primogeniture. The heir apparent prior to this change was Prince Carl Philip (born 1979, our king's only son), but after the change Princess Victoria (born 1977, the king's eldest child) became the heir apparent and thus her children come before Prince Carl Philip in the line of succession, followed by him and his children and lastly the king's youngest child, Princess Madeleine and her children. Interesting fact: all European royal families are in the British line of succession. Sweden's king is place 300 something (source I found said 309, but that was written in August 2020 and Elizabeth II has died and I don't know who else in line before Sweden's royal family have died, if any. I have found that at least 3 in line and higher up than the Swedish king were been born in 2021 however). Worthy of note is that in the British line of succession Prince Carl Philip and his children come before Victoria and her children, or at least according to the source I found on Sweden's royal family's position in the British line of succession. Also, Queen Victoria was Sweden's king's Great-Great-Grandmother and so is the case for both Elizabeth II and her husband Prince Philip as well (note that these two are also related through one more line, so they were both third cousins and second cousins once removed).
here in denmark we were more strict about the whole women on the throne thingy. here if you had only daughters, then you would be naturally dead as you say. this got changed in 72 because the only choice other than magrethe 2. was a guy that everyone hated, thus we changed it.
"#2 Don't be a bastard." _Well, I'm always told that I'm a fairly decent nice guy and..._ "Sometimes it's good to be the king, but it's never good to be the illegitimate children of the king" _oh_
Mhmmm, this 9 years old video suddenle appeared on my feed, i wonder whant kind of event might ave happened recently for the algorithm to decide it was relevant content.... Mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnn ...no idea
Just a couple notes: First, while Grey mentions the line of succession going all the way back over 1,000 years, the current rules state that the monarch must descend from Sophia of Hanover (1630-1714). This was done primarily to exclude James "The Old Pretender" from the throne as he was next in line after William and Mary but was Catholic. As a result, the current number of potential heirs stands at around 5,000. Second, while the rules have been amended from male primogeniture to strict primogeniture, this change is not retroactive and did not alter the line of succession established previously. For example, under the current rules, Anne, Princess Royal would be 8th in line for the throne, ahead of her younger brothers Prince Andrew, Duke of York (15th) and Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (18th). However, because the new rule is not retroactive, Andrew is 8th, Edward is 11th, and Anne is 14th.
Only if this 'annexation' is just a civil war and if once you defeat Parliament and the current monarch (or if you really want to be a king) you would sign into order the former constitution as your own and you can then declare yourself king.
Yes if you could defeat the British army, kill/I space the heirs of the current crown, and get enough people to love/fear you to not challenge your usurping. Then you’d be able to make your own rules and call yourself/have your subjects call you whatever you wanted. You could call yourself “The Grand Emperor of Celestial Potatoes” and nobody would object (out loud).
Like you're just sitting in the shop, drinking coffee, and then you get jumped by the police and they say, "Here's the crown. Go get em, your highness."
‘Have an accent’ english is the language. England is in Britain. umm basically every other accent is different but then there’s a bunch of different British accents so like umm
+Spearka I sat through this whole video, just thinking, "I wonder how far I'll have to scroll down to find a Crusader Kings comment." Not far, I see. Good work, internet! *Also, elective monarchy is the best.*
Instructions unclear, Married my cousin, became King of Spain instead
*Alabama
@BaumGlory what's up with these alabam stuff ?
@@frostedcat Incest joke.
Spain's royal court was the Alabama of the 17th century
@@arfn1973 thank you
Instructions unclear: became Supreme Leader of North Korea.
This aged well
Lol
how?
Unoriginal
?
Thanks fam it worked
gg
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ez dub
Holy flip
took you 70 years
Fun fact: the 1701 rules say that any legitimate descendent of Sophia of Hanover is in line of the throne and that's currently over a thousand living people. Years ago, they tracked down the last in line for the throne and she turned out to be a 40-year-old German postal worker.
Exactly, so it is not virtually any european. I read it was about 5 thousand people with the new rules on catholic marriage and no male primogeniture.
"Did you become the King of England?"
"Yes..."
"What did it cost?"
"Everyone."
Umm its uk
@@ygotsvlog3762 assumably, the king of the United Kingdoms would also be the king of England, one being in the other and all that.
@@nickmalachai2227 oh k
Never forget, bigger army diplomacy.
CK2 be like
Imagine you just chillin in Europe and someone comes up to you like boi you the king now
God Save The King!
And that could only ever happen to orphans.
9nikolai imagine you’re an orphan, life is bad cause no parents, and suddenly a guy appears in the building and says some stuff about you being a king, and now you’re laughing at this guy, but then the whole parliament fucking shows up and drops a crown on you
@@megaagentj2248 Yup. You'd either be so happy in a innocent way or very power hungry or something. Or you could just be reluctant and say to "go down from the throne" immediately after coronation, and the finding of the new monarch continues. But wait, what if they all refuse? Does the Prime Minister get to become King/Queen?
@Itz_Purplexed not necessarily you could be 60 and your parents died of natural causes later in life
I love how you talk about the crown as though it's a living entity "searching for a head to sit upon" like some kind of parasite
Well......myabe it is.....
*writes down novel idea*
Well...It probably has evolved into a parasite....Why is the queen still alive? Free life support
Oh don't worry, it is
Six years old philosophers: *well...*
From what I understand, Canada hasn't updated our primogenitor rules, because we don't care super much about the monarchy. But the queen is still *technically* the head of state, so there could be a situation where England recognizes one heir, but Canada can't legally recognize them, and we end up with separate monarchs
Kingdom of Canada incoming
Í mean, it would make more sense that canada's rule would be more like "King of the UK = King of canada", but this is only a supposition, since i don't really know.
Surprised there wasn't more discussion about Commonwealth realms here. When it was time to update the rules of inheritance, all the Commonwealth Realms gathered together to agree on it jointly, known as the Perth Agreement in 2011. All Commonwealth realms (note: not Commonwealth *countries*, but the realms, i.e. those that have Elizabeth II as Queen) then passed legislation within their own countries to implement the agreement.
There was a bill in 2013
Wow... So Canada might have their actual own Monarchy too ? That is such a strange notion. This is really intensifying.
instructions unclear, became pope, I think I went wrong on the part where it said not to be Catholic.
Ryan Cokus did you try turning off and back on again
If all goes wrong with the first 2 solutions try calling tech support
Make sure their Indians
th-cam.com/video/kF8I_r9XT7A/w-d-xo.html
Must be because there were 4.
Nurse: You Should Put An Ice Pack On That
The king of Norway is in the line of succession for the crown of England: he would just have to kill around 70 people who are higher on the list.
If the year was 1519, he totally would.
Easy as
Yes because the Queen's great great grandfather King Edward 7 had a daughter who married the king of Norway
This is me when i see i have a chance to gain france as england in ck2
*plot to kill*
5 years old me who thought you become the king of England by welding Arthur's sword.
That's be so much cooler to be fair.
And if you‘re european you just have to use the sword a large number of times to make this dream become True
wow thats pretty cool but youd proly be a royal blacksmith
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!
Tbf it is true- the only issue being it doesn't exist
Loving how the TH-cam algorithm decides to make this a recommended video in 2022 after Queen Elizabeth’s passing. Gotta love them engagement algorithms…
Many, many stick figures died in the production of this video.
+Max Jiang Stick Figures™
You can say that again.
+Lavanya Shah that again
MAXWELL IS THAT YOU
ITS MAXWELL GUYS
MAXWELL +Maxwell Jiang
poor sticks.
Directions unclear, became president of Russia instead
Well the current Russian tsar may very well be richer than the British royals. He had no problem making his son-in-law the youngest billionaire, for example. So not too shabby, Mr. President.
Dammit Putin!
direction unclear, became Emperor and Autocrat of all Russias instead
Directions unclear, established communism
Rule number 1. Be putin
I imagine the crown is a living entity and it searches for suitable hosts through this process. Everytime the rules are to be updated they must first consult the crown
More like an AI. (like the flame in 100)
Solid Gold Sorting Hat
"The Crown chooses the Lizard, Mr Potter."
Your a king Harry!
It's a bit late now but Prince Philip WAS in line to the throne. He was number ~300 as the great-grandson of one of Queen Victoria's daughters. But he would have had to outlive all his own descendants and all the descendants of Victoria's sons until it's time to look at Victoria's daughters. It's a bit moot now but that could have been a movie plot in the 90s, someone's been killing off distant relatives to the Queen and it turns out to be Philip working on becoming King by killing hundreds and hundreds of people with better claims than his own.
Crown goes to oldest son
*laughs in ‘hunting accident’*
“Killed out hunting”, so they said. I took over, Henry I, William’s next eldest son
Why’d I think of the hunting incident where the fictional character, Cleetus, accidentally kills his son in a hunting accident then is scared for life?
@@friendlyyoutubecommenter4527 Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
I could kiss that horse!
Imagine being Henry I, just casually killing your brother for the crown, but then hundreds of years later it's a well-known fact that people make jokes about.
I’d like to see a TV show, a bit like Designated Survivor, when a tragedy strikes the royal family and some average European dude has to take on the crown. That’d be cool.
You should see King Ralph with John Goodman - A Classic!
there is
Simeon Gboun what’s it called?
@@clarissarojas7959 the king
Ever heard of Blackadder? It has something to do with that, although I don’t know much about it. Regardless, if you like British comedy, black comedy, and upper-class twits, it’s a classic.
3:06 you say the Crown will always go up one level if the family tree dies out, but the Act of Settlement 1701 specifies it has to be a descendant of Sophia of Hanover which is still thousands of people today but not every European alive.
Thank you for pointing that out
I found the “don’t be a bastard” super funny for some reason
If you’ve killed Kenny, you can’t be a monarch
Underrated comment 😂🤣😂🤣😂
CGP Grey: "just about every European alive is distantly related to him"
Me (on the other side of the continent): "So you're saying there's a chance"
Gotta go down the Intrigue focus now.
Heheeh
Well, not even europe. Basically the entire western world. Americans, Canadians, Australians, Kiwis are probably on average way closer to the crown than some slavic dude in eastern europe.
@@lunakoala5053 may you explain how
@@mayo5119 are you for real?
Imagine the stress on the gynecologist performing a c-section on a set of twins of the queen mother to be.
He literately gets to pick the next king or queen.
what would happen if they brought the babies out at the same time? is that even possible?
@@rainyumbrella7354 the favorite gets the crown and then the other twin will kill the favorite twin.
@@NAME-yg8sl no, no, when they're brought out of the womb they're given weapons and they battle to the death
@@minorcomet282 the strongest eats the other one in the womb, because if the twins's mother is a royal, fetuses are aware that they are a royal.
Follow the targaryens, I say 😜
It's kind of fascinating to see the crown as a code that calculates and moves on it's own, to be honest. it's an interesting perspective.
The humor of the algorithm strikes again
"#2:
Don't be
a Bastard"
Dammit
#BastardGang
0:55 - ちくしょう！
I'm a bastard :D
Am I still a bastard if my parents married AFTER I was born?
@@Avaxar I don't think he speaks porn language.
Damn I thought this video was going to show me how I could become the British Monarch.
bigger army
You just have to kill a loooooot of people
Conquer the world, then you can appoint yourself as British Monarch.
laws are written by men and can be also unwritten by men, kill lots of people, catholic or not, if you dominate you can proclaim yourself king or queen and then your say is final, change all the laws you want
you heard him: most people are already in line for the crown, you just got to pick off everyone above you!
Thank you noble CGP Grey for helping me secure the position. You will be knighted for your strategic efforts. I hope everyone can follow the tutorial and become queen/king as well!
Heya fam
@JamesIsTheBest2939 when you find out it's a joke
NANI!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
the algorithm chose violence huh
When you're a Catholic but the British throne says no Catholics...
*looks at* *_Spain_*
*most of Europe lol
Spain isn't just your only option. You can also choose between: Belgium, Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, or Luxembourg. These are the currently existing monarchies in Europe that allows a Catholic to become a monarch.
"Ill get my own kingdom, with bulls and siestas!
I'm pretty in Spain you would be _required_ to be Catholic.
@@tiffany_shimizu does any have an about 19-21 year old son?
If say twins are delivered by c-section does that mean the doctor chooses the next heir?
Lol you broke the world
+MrAntieMatter No, it depends on whose head pops out first.
C-sections is when the doctor cuts open the belly to retrieve the children, therefore the doctor would have to bring one out, wouldn't he?
Yeah, he has to bring one out because both of them won't fit, the first child that gets pulled out is the next in monarch.
My point exactly. Not to sound like a douche but there was no need for you to comment on this chain, you have added exactly zero new information here.
this video popped up in my recommended just after queen lizzie died
Same
Universe are you telling me something
Free for all for the crown
If you're a twin and you want the crown just eat your other twin before they get too big problem solved
Maelys lol
well - you can take your time until they have children. You have to hide it better that you ate your twin when you to it postnatal instead of prenatal, but - well - that is rather a technicallity.
Cursed comment
Calm down Satan you could just push your way to the front when the exit door opens
Humans aren't sharks that eat their twin siblings and have teeth while *inside* the womb, so...
Instructions unclear, ended up making an instructions unclear comment
Haha
So everyone is getting this recommended after the Queen died, right?
Eeyup
well i know what im doing next week
looks like we have a suspect
🚨
That one didn’t age quite so well
Ufffff
"first..don't be a catholic"
Muslims: yeayyyyyyy
I think its dont be a catholic in christianity.
no but you can become mayor of London
@@Someone-cd7yi ups...
@@before7048 yeah but you do get the option to convert, unlike catholics
@@Manzar534 hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhaha
Prince Charles: Mom can I be a King?
Elizabeth II: No!
*Mum
He's next in line, though, isn't he?
Javier Latorre yes but since the queen seems to never die he will never be king
@@thomas1248 It's 2020, anything can happen
@@javierlatorre480 plot twist : charles died first before the queen
3:36 Also, when the primogeniture is male preference, the dynasty remains patrilineal. In other words, if one day, a queen is crowned and marries her not king, but prince consort, the royal house changes to the prince consort's royal house. In absolute primogeniture, the total patrilineal dynastical system becomes cumbersome as the royal house will theoretically change every 2 generations instead of many, so they made it so the dynasty will become matrilineal whenever a queen is crowned. In other words, the royal house will remain the same forever (assuming every king/queen dies with an heir) as changing royal houses increases the chance of the monarchy being abolished. Also, this absolute primogeniture gives birth to the term "King Consort" in royalty, as the dynasty became matrilineal. That is why King Charles III belongs to the house of Windsor, and not Mountbatten. If Queen Elizabeth died before 2013, the UK will get to have a chance to open its last royal house, the House of Mountbatten (because no more royal houses will open in the future due to absolute primogeniture, assuming no kings/queens will die without any heir).
Yesterday the Queen of England passed away. Today this suddenly-relevant video appeared on my recommended.
“Don’t be a bastard”
*Alexander Hamilton has left the chat*
*William I has left the chat*
Sophia the First left the chat
William joined the chat
Donald trump left the chat
@@wallyalhomaidi6411 Donald Trump is not a king, he's a president
"Dont be a bastard"
William I: *Am I a joke to you?*
Grey:YES
He's not a bastard in the English monarchy he's a bastard because he was in Normandy which is totally different
Annielyn Saga he actually was mostly just king 700 years before these rules were written and also had a larger army then anyone else so it wouldn’t have mattered no matter what kind of bastard or catholic he was
@@shootie1158 Isn't the right of conquest a beautiful thing? None of these silly rules if you just have a bigger army.
@@costakeith9048 *Bigger Army Diplomacy
youtube algorithm knows what it's doing recommending this to people rn
Time to apply the knowledge
Fun fact, in Poland, back when we had monarchy, "królowa" ("queen") was the title of the royal consort. When we had an actual female monarch, she was referred to as "król" ("king").
What about a male royal consort?
@@rachelcookie321 there was no such case in Polish history. We only had two female kings and when they got married, their husbands took over the throne.
@@ishashka really? So even if their husband wasn’t related to the royal family, he became king?
@@rachelcookie321 Poland is a bit special, because they have an Elective Monarchy. Which is how you get seemingly strange things like, the King of Sweden also being the King of Poland-Lithuania, or the Elector of Saxony being the King of Poland-Lithuania at the same time.
@@flyerton9958 elective monarchy?
Eliminating the male part of the primogeniture rule had actually been agreed to in 2011. It took some negotiation because it had to be agreed upon by all the realms for whom the British Monarch is the head of state. When the law was actually passed in 2013, it was more or less a formality.
And in the event, there are now a line of three males for the throne after Elizabeth, so it'll be the better part of a century before the change has any real effect, assuming nothing serious happens to George.
Lytrigian They didn't *have* to change it in each realm: they *could* have allowed the different realms to have different rules, in which case the thrones would (eventually) separate. Would have been (a) interesting and (b) very very messy, so I can see why they didn't want to, but it's a theoretical possibility.
And, actually, they didn't have to get *all* the countries to agree, because many Commonwealth Realms don't set out rules for inheritance: they simply specify that the Monarch of the UK is also their Monarch.
TRiG.
TRiG (Ireland) It would be a very strange circumstance given that, for instance, the Queen of Australia is legally distinct from the Queen of England, but that office happens to be held by the same person. But if Charlotte was born first and Australia hadn't amended the laws of primogeniture, it would be strange for her to be the Queen of England and George to be the King of Australia but with no actual power to rule Australia.
So Quebec couldn't thwart it? The Constitution of Canada has to be amended to put this new rule into effect in Canada, and because of Quebec, even thinking about amending Canada's constitution will stir up a huge hornet's nest.
denelson83 The Constitution has to be amended? Where in the Constitution of Canada (by which I mean the consolidation of the various Constitution Acts and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) does it lay down the law for succession of the throne?
It took an act of Parliament, nothing more, and it was passed in 2013. (Called, unsurprisingly, the Succession to the Throne Act, 2013.)
+Lytrigian And that act of Parliament is being examined in Quebec Superior Court right now as to its constitutionality.
Im just now getting this recommended, youtube has a dark sense of humor.
Thanks Grey, It worked!
Important side note: the change from male primogeniture to absolute primogeniture is not applied retroactively. So Elizabeth II's daughter, even though she is not the youngest of the four, would have to wait for the crown to pass through the lineages of her three brothers first before she could become Queen
@@frankmurray1549 well i dont follow the news but....why is it going to be two brothers other than three?
@@karatewithelian9014 Prince Philip is no longer available to receive the crown due to a lack of being alive.
However, the crown will still pass through his offspring, meaning William is currently next in line.
@@DrRank Wasn't Phillip just the consort?
@@johndododoe1411 Exactly. He was never in (direct) line to the throne. Next up is Charles, then William, then George.
@@tobsterP well this came sooner than expected.
He left out one important bit: the Succession to the Crown Act 2013 is not retroactive. Those born BEFORE 28 October 2011 follow the old format (male primogeniture). Those born after will fill cognatic (gender-neutral) order. Thus, any further children born to the Cambridges will come after Charlotte. Any children born to Harry will follow the new formula.
This is a good point. Though you really have to dig down in the line of succession before you find someone that would have benefited from a retroactive application, namely, Princess Anne and her family. The Princess is currently 13th in line but if the fourth rule for male preference had been repealed, she would be 7th after Prince Harry.
so we are probably going to have a king sometime this century? (Assuming Elizabeth II isn't immortal)
@@eliegbert8121 It's all but guaranteed. Even if we presume Prince Charles dies before Queen Elizabeth II (which is unlikely) the next in throne is Prince William, who will (unless something very unforeseen happens) will become King. And even if Prince William cannot become King (because he somehow dies) his son, Prince George, is next in line to the throne. The next person who could conceivably become queen is George's sister, Charlotte. Its possible, but obviously highly, highly unlikely.
It was at the end of the video
What is the Real reason they changed the rules ?
Was it all about the money ?
One thing this video didn't mention is that legally not everyone with European ancestry is in the line of succession. You MUST be a direct descendent of Sophia of Hanover, not just any English king. That being said, I believe the latest estimates give about 5000 legal heirs to the throne.
2:32 Mary I Tudor, Elizabeth I Tudor, Mary II Stuart, Anne Stuart, Victoria Hanover & Elizabeth II Windsor
I can imagine a set of twins and the one that's just about four minutes older than the other twin gloating about how they'd get the crown because they're just barely older.
SlytherinSnake6886 They can say ''when i was your age'' and then describe what they did 4 minutes ago Lol
Ebeneezer stark I too browse reddit.
jackr88 I have no idea what your talking about..
SlytherinSnake6886 I imagine that it doesn't really matter what order they come out in, when the time comes the parents could lie and say one was born before the other to ensure they got the crown, nobody could dispute it and the children certainly couldn't know any better.
Christian avery hospitals tend to keep records of which would be born first
If the king had twins that were born seconds apart, I bet the technically younger one would be pissed lmaoo
Basically the storyline of the man in the iron mask
Here is where succession wars comes in
@@genghiskhan5701 yeah youd know all about it
Maybe not. When the, then, Princess Elizabeth was told she would likely be queen one day her younger sister expressed sympathy for her. No one is really jumping for the job.
Time for a "hunting accident"
Oh the timing on this recommended video!
youtube is funny for recommending me this now
So I can't be king because Henry VIII split from my church so he could get a fuckin divorce?
Max Nagle Oh, since I wrote that comment I gave up on Catholicism. The church is filled with corrupt liberal leftists, I say no thanks to that.
Max Nagle Oh
+Baeagon "I don't want none unless you birth sons, hun."
+Baeagon Catholic Church? Full of lefties? I'd understand if you complained about the pedophiles, but liberals? In the Catholic Church? Either you don't understand what a liberal is and you're just using it as a derisive for everyone you don't agree with, or they don't understand what being a liberal is, because being a liberal in the Catholic Church is like being a black man in the Nazi party.
+Baeagon Well, all I can say to that is that I'm glad you're not eligible to be the King of England.
Step 1 : send you chancellor to build a claim on an english county
Step 2 : repeat until you have more than half of a duchy
Step 3 : claim all counties and win the war
Step 4 : usurp the duchy title
Step 5 : press de jure claims on the rest of the duchy
Step 6 : repeat steps 1-5 until you have more than half of the counties or England
Step 7 : usurp the English throne
Step 8 : now make the same for Wales, Scotland and England until you have more than 80% of the british islands
Step 9 : emperor of Britannia, finally !
+scarfacemperor You can eliminate Step 8 since England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland all share the British Monarch. As an added plus, you'd also be the monarch over every country in the Commonwealth of Nations (countries which have seperate prime ministers and paliaments but the same king/queen)
+Ten-Eight He was making a joke about a video game in which the primary goal is to get to power of a country then take other countries over and to make sure that you have a good heir with skills.You should play it there is nothing better than sending your children to prison to be executed because they are all hunchbacks.
ReichDoge
Ah, I didn't get the reference. What game is it?
Ten-Eight Crusader Kings II
*****
Oh, cool. Thanks!
TH-cam recommending this aged well
King Charles: "Thanks, fam. This video helped me."
Instructions unclear, became queen of Egypt and got mummified
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy
actually now a days you'd live in a castle /palace specifically the last monarchs palace amd you'd pretty privileged and forever praised for restating human rights
What if the Monarch's children are twins or worse.....
*Quadruplets*
I know it's a joke but they literally pick the one who came out first.
Fucking octomom in this bad boy
@@fabioalbert101 Which means if it's a Cesarean section, the doctor literally must/will choose which one will become future monarch...
@@michaelritchie2968 lol true
Though it's pointless choice, more like doing a coin flip to decide some someone other people's dispute: you don't know about the outcome's outcome, you don't know what kind of people those are, you know nothing and are just doing the motions.
sorting by new I counted at least 5 "King Charles III" accounts saying "lmao thanks fam it worked"
Here before this get recommended (again) to the masses.
the Doctor doing the c section to the new queen that have a twin
I AM NOW THE KING MAKER.
Docter: *Pulls out boy while looking at sibling*
Docter: *Grabs scalpel* I'm about to end this man's whole career
reality is in my hands
@@xxTamisxx Or...
*grabs knife*
"Should I just kill it, or cut out his testicles, do surgery, and feed him hormones?"
Such a dark minded feminist doctor would probably be fired before she'd be able to say then do that so, thank God!
*REALITY CAN BE WHATEVER I WANT*
I actually wonder how that case would be handled
Instructions unclear:
Got executed by some bloke named cromwell.
1980 my country's (Sweden) Act of Succession was updated and the rule was changed from agnatic primogeniture to absolute primogeniture. The heir apparent prior to this change was Prince Carl Philip (born 1979, our king's only son), but after the change Princess Victoria (born 1977, the king's eldest child) became the heir apparent and thus her children come before Prince Carl Philip in the line of succession, followed by him and his children and lastly the king's youngest child, Princess Madeleine and her children.
Interesting fact: all European royal families are in the British line of succession. Sweden's king is place 300 something (source I found said 309, but that was written in August 2020 and Elizabeth II has died and I don't know who else in line before Sweden's royal family have died, if any. I have found that at least 3 in line and higher up than the Swedish king were been born in 2021 however). Worthy of note is that in the British line of succession Prince Carl Philip and his children come before Victoria and her children, or at least according to the source I found on Sweden's royal family's position in the British line of succession.
Also, Queen Victoria was Sweden's king's Great-Great-Grandmother and so is the case for both Elizabeth II and her husband Prince Philip as well (note that these two are also related through one more line, so they were both third cousins and second cousins once removed).
TH-cam has a sick sense of humor when it comes to timing.
here in denmark we were more strict about the whole women on the throne thingy. here if you had only daughters, then you would be naturally dead as you say. this got changed in 72 because the only choice other than magrethe 2. was a guy that everyone hated, thus we changed it.
I wouldn't say that turnt out so well
"#2 Don't be a bastard."
_Well, I'm always told that I'm a fairly decent nice guy and..._
"Sometimes it's good to be the king, but it's never good to be the illegitimate children of the king"
_oh_
The first (Norman) king of England is 100% a bastard though...
@@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 he had a bigger army tho
@@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 i think the rule was not even write yey
I finally have a chance now
30 seconds into the video and my religion killed off my chance to be the king
When ure 4th in line and u played a bit of CK2
* *prepares some hunting accidents* *
**Establishes some **-murder-** meeting ploots with some **-poison-** food**
I'm gonna need several taverns and 6 tons of manure.
He was just playing outside and a brick happened to land on his head
@@cibo889 is that a real event,? Wouldn't even be the most ridicoulos one 😂
King Elizabeth 2: died under suspicious circumstances
Grey struggling to pronounce primogeniture triggered the CKII in me
Same
Also in gavelkind, you tend to be pronounced dead faster
Mhmmm, this 9 years old video suddenle appeared on my feed, i wonder whant kind of event might ave happened recently for the algorithm to decide it was relevant content....
Mmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnn
...no idea
How funny this ends up in my recommend again today
Just a couple notes:
First, while Grey mentions the line of succession going all the way back over 1,000 years, the current rules state that the monarch must descend from Sophia of Hanover (1630-1714). This was done primarily to exclude James "The Old Pretender" from the throne as he was next in line after William and Mary but was Catholic. As a result, the current number of potential heirs stands at around 5,000.
Second, while the rules have been amended from male primogeniture to strict primogeniture, this change is not retroactive and did not alter the line of succession established previously. For example, under the current rules, Anne, Princess Royal would be 8th in line for the throne, ahead of her younger brothers Prince Andrew, Duke of York (15th) and Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (18th). However, because the new rule is not retroactive, Andrew is 8th, Edward is 11th, and Anne is 14th.
Wouldn't he be excluded anyways as he's Catholic, making it redundant?
@@Anonymous-df8it this rule was made specifically because of him
@@ExcellenceNo Still redundant.
@@ExcellenceNo Rule or no rule, the crown won't reach him as it would skip Catholics.
Imagine being born and the nirse says: “im sorry your highness, but this isnt a person, its dead”
I read "Nirse" as "Nurse" but in an Irish accent and I don't want to be the only person with this information.
@@jedidiahwayne9786 thanks for sharing
youtube has a dark sense of humor…
The day has come.
indeed
That moment when you realize you know succession laws and how to pronounce them because of a game...
CK2 FOR LIFE
What if I had a big army and annexed the UK? Would I be considered a king?
Only if this 'annexation' is just a civil war and if once you defeat Parliament and the current monarch (or if you really want to be a king) you would sign into order the former constitution as your own and you can then declare yourself king.
You'd be whatever you would have wanted to be, as anyone refusing to call you with your title of choice (i.e. king) you'd kill them.
Yes if you could defeat the British army, kill/I space the heirs of the current crown, and get enough people to love/fear you to not challenge your usurping. Then you’d be able to make your own rules and call yourself/have your subjects call you whatever you wanted. You could call yourself “The Grand Emperor of Celestial Potatoes” and nobody would object (out loud).
Lord Inquisiteur Willhelm Von Steiner ok
The Monarch would go to Canada or Australia depnding and would retain the royal heritage intill forever
POV: Charles watching this video
Thanks it really worked
3:06 when you chillin' with the boys but one day you become King of England
I see this as a absolute win!
Like you're just sitting in the shop, drinking coffee, and then you get jumped by the police and they say, "Here's the crown. Go get em, your highness."
Me: Watching a video on a British Monarchy in the UK
Bernie Sanders add: I'm gonna stop you right there
Very fitting to get this recommended right now
Don't worry, you're not the only one coming here after the queens passing.
same
So does this mean that because im catholic my dreams of one day starting a revolution and becoming king of england are over?
No change the rules with the revolt
Razza Clarke No such thing as a King, or Queen of England for over 300 years. So, yes.
kwh278 false.
unappropadope In what way?
kwh278 a technical one of course
Sip tea.
Have an accent.
Eat crumpets.
*Profit.*
Don’t forget the yellow teeth
you forgot being part german
well of coarse americans think this
@pinkchicken don't wanna say too much: languages evolve and there is no right way
‘Have an accent’ english is the language. England is in Britain. umm basically every other accent is different but then there’s a bunch of different British accents so like umm
This aged well.
Well, just in time to see this video…
Still confused? then just play Crusader Kings 2
Spearka Gavelkind.
Joel Tangjerd
ahhhhhhhhhh! No! get it away! stop it please!!
...........Elective Gavelkind
+Brett M. elective monarchy ftw
+Spearka I sat through this whole video, just thinking, "I wonder how far I'll have to scroll down to find a Crusader Kings comment." Not far, I see. Good work, internet! *Also, elective monarchy is the best.*
2:42 I’ll assume that thought bubble was meant to say ‘girl’
or better not be a boy
Nah it meant to be boy. Imagine having to be queen, people would wanna assinate you
@@GoRedd assinate lmaooooooooo. They guna get assinated.
Charles watched this video
nice moment for TH-cam to recommend me this
I think that the rule about the guy with the biggest army technically still applies. It’s just no longer worth the hassle.
Yeah, who's going to argue with an army?
Imagine being the doctor who will perform the cesarean section of twins or triplets and it's up to you to chose the new ruler of the United Kingdom.
Doctor Who
You actually don’t choose you just pull whatever is inside
@@SAUDI_MONSTER yeah but you choose what to pull
Romaphile well you don’t actually know your choices
Easy if it's triplets, choose the fire-type
The TH-cam algorithm has a weird sense of humor
so, TH-cam decided to make this on everyone recommendations eh?