The Saddest Starscream Story of all... Fans May Cry
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The cruelest part of it all? The Matrix of Leadership respond well with Starscream, and not Megatron. This means that Starscream has a shot of being a leader, but not the crowd his currently in.
Maybe he ought to take an idea from thundercracker and just leave. Say he’s going on patrol then never come back. I’m sure that Thundercracker might be a bit more accepting of Starscream this time seeing as Ss has nowhere else to go
The thing is with Starscream, he has the potential, but is constantly overshadowed. Hence why he wants to kill Megatron all the time, I suppose. Makes you think.
Well starscream was a coward
@@matthewcaughey8898Starscream's kind of a notorious Decepticon, so the moment he leaves, he could incite more cons to leave even if he lacked respect.
And that's when the Decepticon Justice Division pops up.
@@MrHAH-cd9ku starscream is a bad leader, WAY better than megatron but not as good as someone like bee, If he realized his potential and how to use it, he Could even match someone like ultra magnus, but the simple fact that he is, well, starscream, makes him as megatron says: a coward
Remember when the worst thing Megatron would do was throw an energon cube at starscream for fun?
Those were good times....
Ikr now it's just a bunch of mental, emotional, verbal ,and physical abuse...
Not quite, even in the G1 cartoon Megatron would shoot at Starscream's wings and even rip out what sounded like his vocalizer in one episode.
No Megatron has always been very vicious towards Starscream.
@@joslyncarter4813 did you even watch G1
@@MandoDin Yes. I did. You don't think Megatron shooting Starscream with a laser cannon was abuse? Or what about when Starscream got amnesia and he was trying to make him come with him whether he wanted to or not? If Starscream wanted to stay gone, he should have let him, especially since they were at odds.
The scariest thing to me is the deceptions didn't accepts Starscream as their leader wasn't because he was weak and a coward, it was because all of them feared Megatron. They all knew Megatron was a psychopath.
this version of megatron*
@@8johh I'm surprised how Starscream didn't go insane and kicked the bucket himself.
@@skyshotps2577 starscreams spark is immortal
@@iwatchstuffs7933 which means endless insanity
@@skyshotps2577 and trapped with insanity
The worst part is Starscream's spark is immortal and will suffer for all eternity.
Isn’t that just G1 Cartoon Starscream?
@@APlatypus Kind of, I know his spark was in beast wars. But Starscream is Starscream right?
@@mawsafgjp4619 imagine if that’s the case for every Starscream so they all one day just become a ghost therapy group.
@@APlatypus lol now that would be hilarious. All of them assuming they are superior to the others.
@@mawsafgjp4619 if Unicron trilogy screamer gets his original view on life back, no.
Megatron in prime: didn’t really hate starscream and gave him a second chance
G1 megatron: hates starscream but keeps him because he is useful
This megatron: abusive,hateful and wants starscream to suffer
What about animated?
@@8ball180 he was hated but was more opportunistic
IDW Megatron is basically fanfiction Megatron. With the beating, anyway.
he always abused him mentally and physically.
Prime Megs disliked Scream but kept him because he thought he was useful. And to be fair he was (sometimes).
Funny enough, this Megatron eventually becomes an autobot and is easily one of the most complex characters in this continuity. Meanwhile, starscream actually does take a leadership role on Cybertron in this post-war setting.
It's a shame they didn't have time to explore their relationship after that. It would have been nice to see.
@Charisma Clayton Yeah, they had a lot of fights, I think Megatron needs a long process to change his ways and realize that "those minor things" are also wrong, because it's obvious that he now regrets his actions and the long war, suffering and death he caused but understanding that he also harmed people by being abusive (either physically or verbally) is something that he will have to keep learning along the way. The writer of the comic said he would have liked to explore his relationship with Starscream but unfortunately he didn't have time and had to wrap up a lot of things up which made the ending look quite rushed sadly.
@Charisma Clayton At that point, he was still learning how to do things the Autobot way. And let's be honest, Rodimus provoked Megatron too. However, after Megatron is left behind in the Functionist Universe and then comes back a couple of issues later, he doesn't fight with Rodimus. That's because he had spent 800 years outside of the universe where he came from and that's enough time for him how to control his anger and that he doesn't have to argue with anyone about anything. Reading post FU Megatron, it gives me the vibes of a much calmer Megatron
And, ironically, Starscream doesn't actually do that bad a job as a leader in the post-war Cybertron.
@@MrNetWraith He proved to be a much better politician than military leader and barely worse than many "great" leaders on Earth right now. He was still a criminal *and* a bad person, but he was a much more interesting person once the war ended.
I like how the Matrix expressed that Starscream could be a decent leader but the current environment and situation was just beyond his control.
He gotta get his own crew
@@godsangel67able hi dude how are you
@@thesadistor-hl7lw what’s good my guy
@@godsangel67ableI'm great I want to create A character with A badass first name last name like siege perilous so please send me your badass first name last name ideas please
@@thesadistor-hl7lw I'm not @godsangel67able, But I do think "Succor" would be cool.
( *Succor* - assistance and support in times of hardship and distress.
"the wounded had little chance of succor" )
"All. Hail. Starscream." That actually breaks my heart, combined with the ultimate desire of Starscream.
Friendship....
Starscream should have been an Autobot, if anything the Matrix of Leadership itself was telling him this, he could have even been an actual legitimate Prime.
@@siawchintan688 Biggest Understatement Ever!
Jesus. And I thought Armada Starscream was a tragedy.
My two favorite Starscreams.
If anything, then for the angst. But also for the purity.
All they want is love. And they can't have it. ;_;
@@Rubywing4 What makes it even more heartbreaking, is that he was Meg's planned next in line and successor. It's more stated in the JP version. And Megs did care and love him, not romantically tho. But his biggest mistake was that he did not trust or listen to Starscream and paid the ultimate price for it.
@@uberkirbeeh7954 Yeah, I've watched the JP version of the show, and I definitely like it better than the English version.
I like how Japan is very open when it comes to love between friends, family, comrades, colleagues, brothers-in-arms and so on without it being romantically.
True love is not romance.
True love is caring for someone else, whether it be your friend, family, pet or the others I mentioned.
Yet English dubs tend to edit the love parts out and use something else.
Perhaps America/England can't handle true love very well.
That's one of many reasons why I love Japan.
@@uberkirbeeh7954 Also worth mentioning that in Megatron's Unicron-caused illusion of the perfect Decepticon future where he's the supreme ruler, Starscream is there with him even though he was dead. I found that pretty heartbreaking.
@@calebporter3735 Yeah. But I have no idea why Thrust was in there, specially after what he did.
Boy, IDW Starscream is so different from G1 and Aligned Starscream...
@Soundwaveimus Prime right... and Aligned was a megalomaniac...
And movie starsream and cyberverse starscrean and unicron trilogy starscream
Mhm, definitely
@Soundwaveimus Prime *THAT'S BECAUSE THIS STARSCREAM IS MORE INSPIRED IN THE MICRON LEGEND & MOVIEVERSE ONES*
okay i need to start reading these comics to see if the comments are true
I feel so bad for starscream, he needs some love guys 🥺
One like=one hug for starscream
Starscream should have been an Autobot, if anything the Matrix of Leadership itself was telling him this, he could have even been an actual legitimate Prime.
@@siawchintan688 Biggest Understatement Ever!
As a starscream fan
This kinda hurts to watch
I actually have tears in my eyes
im not even a Starscream fan and I feel really bad for him
I find myself understanding Starscream even though he is a Decepticon. I also think he is funny. Starscream is the only Decepticon I have seen to do something about being taken for granted by Megatron. I though can relate to Thundercracker because I understand his fear since I have a hard time standing up for myself.
I just wanna give him a hug.
It hurts too, I feel you
@@pantyosashu8137 me too
There's a cruel sort of salvation in this abuse as well, given that Starscream was utterly broken at this point, Megatron gave him purpose in his failures by saying he needed them to rule most effectively. While a far cry from actual mental help or the care and attention he actually needs, it's a small thing to hold onto. Megatron practically twisted Starscreams depression to serve him. Now that, is evil.
That's Megatron.
A willing scapegoat and pariah.
THINK! STARSCREAM! THINK!
Stockholm syndrome who?
seriously, if someone ever is in an abusive relationship and doesn't want to end it, show them this. it's tragic how textbook it is.
Megatron did say he frees slaves and builds them up.
As an abuse survivor, this comic really messed me up. Starscream may not a saint but I can't help but sympathize for him here because he did not deserve this.
it was his own fault tho
he failed his team and they cannibalized themselves
You sound soft…
I'm sorry to hear that. Ignore the neckbeards below. You (nor him) deserved it.
Yep
@@madhatten00 True but it’s still sad to see it play out
This made me genuinely feel bad for Starscream. All he wanted was care and love, yet all he got was the polar opposite.
Starscream should clearly be an Autobot, if the Matrix was telling us anything is that he deserves to be a Prime!
Starscream angst fanfic writers: *I can milk this*
But yeah this issue... Hmm, feels bad man.
Me not even a star scream angst fanfic writer: *hmh yeah, i can totes milk this*
As I am closely aligned to both Unicron and Primus. I would have punished Starscream for failing to lead the Decepticons. However, not to the malicious degree as Megatron. To give a bone for a chance to stand against me in the end future, that I am merciful to all.
There are some stories where I would have chosen a different outcome. If I was in Megatron's position, then lead the hand of the redeemer rather than the executioner.
However, unlike Megatron or Optimus. If the entire cosmos proves to be a failure at the end of Fate. No matter of the infinite futures... I will inevitably end everything in existence, and from there, I will make the final choice. To give the cosmos her life once more, or to finally end the cycle while I slumber for countless eternities. A bitter sweet ending, but one, I am willing to carry out to the very end.
Or at least... I would do so. But what I say and what I do is kin to Unicron and Primus... Even I would construct a weapon to be the third voice in which all shall be judged. But such a weapon will require the Spark of a true Prime... One who is worthy to challenge my will.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 a decepticon leader is not merciful,they are practical. And starscream failed that. Megatron expected better from the embodiment of the decepticon cause. When the chips fell, starscream fumbled when needed by the decepticon cause.
@@yagamijubei28
True
If you don`t know the context, then maybe.
If anything, this is Megatrons way of pushing him to his best, and as fucked up it is....
It works.
For those who don't know, in one of the IDW comics, Starscream willingly retires from being the ruler of Cybertron because of his actions involving in the attempt to assassinate Windblade and others. This just shows that Starscream has honor deep inside and a capacity to be loved by others.
Nope, starscream had enough of being the schemer in chief. He is ruler of cybertron and he couldn't revise it into his dream empire even when Megatron and optimus leave him to his devices.
When it suits him right?
@@jesseincognito. Not this time. He did it for the future of Cybertron rather than personal gain.
I mean Starscream always thought he was alone while his ruling of Cybertron due to his past mischiefs and deception reputation. But he isnt a bad person he just wants to be respected and doesn't like being underestimated or seen as a weak bot. Hell, when Windblade tried to help him he even thought and was scared that she would replace him one day.
@@Joseph-pz7vt he did step down later on to let windblade lead
Starscream is one of those characters that makes you wonder: he spent his existence double crossing his way to higher ranks when he is the most intelligent out of all of the deceptions. Knowing that, what or who caused Starscream to double cross his compatriots in the first place.
Because of their bullshittery.
This Starscream reminds me much of the Armada one. Originally though that Starscream incarnation was different before meeting humans, to which he sacrificed himself after to Unicron.
That's what I said
Starscream deserves better
And to think that he wanted to overthrow Megatron this whole time. Man was I wrong. He just wanted to be respected and loved by the Decepticon, but of course it backfires on him.
Yeah this time he does
@@mabumbafederation75 No he doesn't. He tried to lead while Megatron was being rebuilt, and it backfired on him. Just cut Stars team some slack.
@@smt3 bruh
; |
Starscream is probably the best written character in the IDW comics, the amount of mental and physical abuse he’s gone through is truly horrific and I’ve never seen anyone capture it as well as the comics did
I'd go as far to say Starscream is usually the best written character in most media he's involved in.
This is why Starscream is my favorite Decepticon. He is always never appreciated for what he does for megatron, and is always beat up by him.
dam bro 945 likes but no comments, what the heck happened here?
@@cheeziestpotatoBlind?
@@cheeziestpotatoI just changed likes from 1.3k to 1.4k lol
I actually fully relate to this Starscreams pain. I too wish to be a leader, not for myself, but to strengthen and inspire others to become stronger. If I were in Starscream's shoes, I would have desired death as well. Not just for my failures as a leader in that case, but my failures to be able to keep my men safe and well.
I agree
Would see a starscream movie
I agree 💯
@@Dankimus3607 He has his own Comic Series
I hate seeing Starscream get treated so awfully because he’s one of my favorite characters, though what cheers me up (oddly enough) is how his story ends in the Regeneration 1 comics, where he and Shockwave end up running away together, eventually pick up Ravage, and all three of them travel around the universe in the Ark. He gets out. He’s free, and it just makes me really happy
In Transformers Prime, there's a episode where Optimus Prime tries to convince Starscream to turn into a good person and he ordered the autobots not to attack Starscream but Starscream ends up breaking his trust
@@WilliamFuckingButcher poor starscream
Of all the reincarnations of Megatron THIS is the most evil one I've ever seen. Man literally pushed starscream until he snapped just so he could have a reason to beat him up, then acted like he was finally going to fulfill his (starscreams) wish just to shoot somewhere else. Damn thats messed up.
The Megatrom from Transformers Armada is like that
I think post-plasma bath G1 Galvatron was the worst version.
@@DarksaberForce nah that version is just crazy and violent. This one is an actual psychopath
Not even he was cruel enough to push starscream into suicide@@gabe708
@@ojutay8375 Arguably, both are very Evil!
And sure I've always been a Starscream fan even when he was a treacherous, rotten, backstabbing coward, but ever since Unicron Trilogy and now this IDW comic, my desire to see Starscream become an Autobot and a Prime is greater than ever!
Starscream got his revenge during Megatron's trial. Insulting his intelligence, telling he lost control of the decepticons during the war,... the list goes on.
And what's even better, Megatron knew he deserved that lashing.
Starscream roasted megatron so hard he decided not to die just to prove Starscream wrong.
What a legend.
@@returnedtomonkey8886 What else could he do?
@@returnedtomonkey8886, Starscream legit just returned the favour from this comic and saved Megatron from suicide in the most vile and demeaning way he possibly could.
Damn, I thought nothing could be worse than Starscream's sacrifice in Armada. This was utterly gut-wrenching this one.
This made me cry twice, he just wants to have respect and to be cared about. All he gets is depression and anxiety. He's humiliated in front of everyone, he doesn't gain anyone's respect, not even his leader. The abuse verbal, emotional, physical is enough to make him lose faith, hope, and will. He does and doesn't deserve the punishment, there is so much going on in Starscream's life that brings him down, he will offline himself if it keeps up. Megatron doesn't need to bring him down if something wasn't his fault. If you hate Starscream now, you may reconsider if you think about how much Megatron brings him down and abuses him. Thank you for reading this.
Dude I cried too. A lot. Similar to Starscream, all I’ve ever wanted in my life is respect and love, but I only receive pain and torment from my peers. I’m so happy my high school days are now behind me. This comic with Starscream gives off the same mood of my high school experience. Pain and suffering, physically and emotionally, despite trying my best to fit in. I never had the pleasure of a first girlfriend. I had only one friend, who I vowed to protect with my life. Although uncommon, whenever something bad happened to them, whether it be physically or mentally, I felt tremendous guilt, even if it was outside of my control. I felt like I’ve failed them, and would be crushed with guilt and self-blame for days, sometimes even weeks. Even now after high school, I feel horrible about my experiences, kind of a form of PTSD if that makes any sense. After seeing just how hard everyday life can be, I’ve almost completely lost faith in living a happy life, and have lost hope that things will get better. Sometimes, I barely had any energy or motivation to get out of bed. Half the nights I cried myself to sleep. I adopted the mindset of do what needs to be done and nothing more, and became somewhat of an autonomous machine. And all this went on for FOUR YEARS. If you read this 11 months later, thank you. Even though you’re just an internet stranger, it sometimes helps me to unload my life story on someone who can understand or connect with the experiences I’ve gone through.
@@CT-9904-Crosshair Sorry that happened bro, just know you're never alone and things will get better overtime.
To be honest, IDW comics is a series of tragedies which lines up to tell the story of Cybertronian, making people love, cry, rage and wail with the characters, ended up our hearts feeling tearing apart but with no tears to drop and no voice to cry.
So true.
They're toying with our feelings.
Making us heartless, emotionless statues FEEL! How DARE they!
@@Rubywing4 Seriously, right? nowadays, a series with depth, whether tv or paper, is a crime. everything is soft, and overexplained or simplified. people are too soft to take hardcore antagonists, and too stupid to figure out whats going on unless it neatly packaged and dumbed down for them. Not to mention the blurred lines of morals that the bay films dance with
@@GvB127 SO true.
RID 2015 is a "good" example of this.
Every "villain" is kind of lame, and the big antagonists are done dirty (Megatronus and Starscream, and I think also Soundwave).
And finally the GOOD GUYS are also kind of lame, don't learn their lessons and a bit dumb, and Bumblebee and Optimus are both also done dirty.
I do love IDW, the comment I made before was meant to be sarcastic or ironic in a funny way, not really sure what the difference is between the two, even when I look it up, because sarcasm doesn't always have to be mean when making jokes on it.
@@Rubywing4 I agree wholeheartedly
@@Rubywing4 IDW transformers is one of the best put together TF franchises
This is why I think Starscream needs to be appreciated more. All we ever see is him being abused. I haven’t seen all of the comics and shows, but from the ones I’ve seen, Starscream is always so unappreciated. I know he does stupid things that makes the audience hate him, but he’s a bot. With a spark, and emotions. He has a brain and he can think. He can feel. Starscream has never been a super favorite, but I always appreciated how he always got back up. The other bots may have the power, but Starscream has the will. Let’s all give him a hug. He needs it.
i really agree, he has been abused alot and at one time in Tprime he actually was torn open to bleed. i forgot what season it was but damn. i dont think i will forgive hasbro
I really love Starscream because, one, he's the Magnificent Bastard archetype, which I adore usually, and two, he was this unending will to continue, which I admire about him. He does not give up, even when beaten to life-threatening stages by someone he's supposed to look up to. That takes balls.
@Alucard Hellsing He tried to kill megatron, he definitely deserved that one.
@@BackwardsMMA As much as I want to defend Starscream, because he's my favorite, I have to admit, the Prime Megatron is more fair when punishing Starscream than the G1 Megatron.
Prime Megatron only punished Starscream when Starscream had done something really bad, like trying to kill him or accidentally unleashing a plague on the ship that zombifies everyone.
When doing less screw-ups or unsubordination, Megatron usually just punches or smacks him once, or just yells at him without physically hurting him.
In Prime, Megatron does punish Starscream accordingly, depending on what Starscream did.
This one though, the G1 Megatron, IDW Megatron, it does not matter what Starscream does. He just needs to be beaten into a pulp even if he just LOOKS at Megatron the wrong way, basically.
G1/IDW Megatron is just so unfair and cruel, it's bizarre.
@@Rubywing4 K
Stuff like this is what set IDW apart from all of the others and truly made us love all of the characters that much more. They weren’t just Saturday morning cartoon filler characters anymore, they have actually been given depth and purpose in their stories.
Starscream: On the outside I’m a backstabber but on the inside I keep getting sadder
Starscream always interested me for this reason. The character was more complex than just “coward who wanted power”. If that was true and he realised no one was listen to them he would have used mind control, or even just left them and find a new command. Instead he stayed and tried to earn their love and respect. He tried to be the leader for them.
I’d also say this speaks more about Megatron as well. He NEEDS starscream like an addiction. Someone to vent his frustrations on and keep him violent.
Megatron wants starscream around because he needs to remember that all he built up can easily crumble when someone else is in charge.
Megatron in this story is a typical text book spousal abuser. He gets off on power and manipulation.
@@jevonsims900 at some point he wasn't but i mean, millions of years could turn megatron into just that
@@jvbutalid8316 yeah. i think there's some interesting character development to think about, when you consider how somebody who wanted a pretty reasonable thing turned into this powerhouse of manipulation and destruction. Methinks he's the kind of person when put under that kind of pressure, reacts really, *really* badly. Not a great person at heart, though if things had gone differently it could've been better (see that one universe where Optimus and Megatron rule Cybertron together. I think thats what happened-) One other thing I like to consider is the gradual turn into the Starscream abuse. How it went from recruiting Starscream to Starscream just subconciously deciding that this was normal.
So what if a happy well adjusted thundercracker got a message from starscream asking TC to help him leave the decepticons? Think he might go to see if his ex leader is on the level?
Starscream sounds like he has a bigger spark then he shows. I believe some of us can relate to him in one way of another.
I relate to being the comic relief, oh and the one everyone hates. Gotta love being bullied and made fun of by almost everyone at your school.
We are all searching for acceptance
If he was willing to atone for his mistakes and actually wanted to change for the better, I'd forgive him. I don't think he'd fully deserve it, but I just would.
"I'm not calling you a coward master but sometimes cowards do survive" - StarScream, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
I always love the fact that Megatron keeps Starscream around so he has someone to look like a worse leader than he is. Like, he could surround himself with the most competent and capable people he can find but instead, his constant companion is someone (whether in truth or in his perception varying by setting) who only exists to give himself an ego boost.
5:17 "I vow *never* to give Soundwave and Shockwave the thanks they've *truly* earned..."
...now THAT's savage right there. I'd be grateful to two of my best men, *ESPECIALLY* to someone who's been *through thick and thin* with me like *Soundwave.*
Except at the end of the day, Soundwave and Shockwave's loyalty has always been to Megatron, never anyone else.
In fairness, Shockwaves loyalty was… questionable at best in IDW.
This is, this is.. wow, I always thought that Star Scream was just comic relief. I’m not really a huge fan of Transformers, but the writers were definitely going through something. This is almost TOO deep.
That's what I love about also feel sorry for good writers. They clearly went through some things in life, and it's messy sometimes. But they have the maturity to not use it as an excuse for bad behavior, and rather use that passion to tell fictional stories as a lesson for those in a similar situation through relative safety of the medium.
This comic reminds me of that Transformers Prime episode where Starscream declared his neutrality and at the end, it paid tribute to Larry Cullen, Peter Cullen’s older brother and inspiration for the voice of Optimus Prime. I’m actually shocked by how much more cruel Megatron can be to Starscream.
Good grief....I never thought I would feel compelled to give Starscream a comforting hug.
This comic really makes you hate megatron, and this is from someone who adores IDW Megatron
I can 100% agree with this, IDW Megatron is out of all Megatron incarnations my favorite, but if youre going to put me into a situation where my second favorite TF character beats up my first favorite character, of course im gonna start hating on my second favorite.
The only thing that makes this worse is the fact that the writer of MTMTE stated that one of Megatrons biggest regrets in life was the way he abused Starscream.
Im just salty we didnt get to *see* that, since they killed Starscream before they could meet again.
@@justsomewritingfan2202 yeah I would have loved to have seen the two interact again, after how much the two has grown, it would be really satisfying ending to their relationship, but alas
@@justsomewritingfan2202 JRO SAID THAT!?
I thought this scenario was hilarious in retrospect to Megatrons character.
@@BackwardsMMA define hilarious
IDWS Megatron is one brutal tyrant. He even admits to Optimus that killing gives him pleasure when he decides to surrender later on in the storyline. It frightened me so much that I ended up crying a little. These comics sure can be dark however, that's what I like to see Transformers be.
I think Starscream should have became an autobot.
@@CATmetchu well its not that bad i mean war for cybertron: siege had some pretty nice animation
Darkness is real. And whether we see it or not, we are constantly asking for "real" in our fantasy.
The greater the evil, the greater the capacity for good.
@JZY thus same megatron became a autibot I wonder did Shockwave do something to his body and circuitry when.je was rebuilding him in his new body
Let's not forget Shockwave went back to the past and planted millions of years that led to the creation.of unicron and remaking a new cybertrkn on earth
Indeed and even then Megatron doesn't know true evil but I do I've seen starscreem doesn't need to be punished he needs someone to listen to someone to help him and do come to me starscreem I am here i am waiting
Starscream had a real tragic arc in Armada. Made me love Starscream even more
In this story Megatron is vicious now I understand a bit why Starscream is like that : Megatron bully him every time and mentally break him.
I remember reading this way back when, and it still scares me
It is pretty tragic and cruel
Oh, you believe it...
I got this comic on kindle and the video made me cry when I first heard the story
@@emperorkumquat *& PAINFUL*
@@emperorkumquat this video crushed my spark
Oh my God. This is horrible. I have never even heard of this comic, and I'm kinda glad. Just the summary is heartbreaking.
Transfomers - the IDW comics. Ooooh my friend, it can get even darker at times.
@@trence5 oh no
This was a whole lot better than the TF franchise
God, that was heavy. I never thought I'd feel genuine sympathy for a fictional character that's usually the but of jokes, especially starscream.
I remember buying an anniversary megatron and reading this comic. At the time I laughed at starscream's punishment, now I feel bad after seeing the context of the comic
I wish the positive side of Starscream would be explored more. I was hoping they'd do that in Combiner Wars, seeing him act as a kind of leader but very different to what he always wanted was very engaging. But nope, that went downhill fast.
And for once, as much as I like him, can Megatron just get a fat boot to the face.
That’s what Optimus is for!
Starscream: *After getting emotionally and physically beaten down by Megatron.*
Me: *Breaks the 4th Wall.* "Jeez, Megatron crossed the line, but you kind of did fail the Decepticons in that event... For now, you should stand up and be strong. I remember an younger Starscream who lead a group of flyers during a time long before the war began. If you can at least reclaim a similar leadership, then it's a good start... If you cannot, then the Decepticons are no more... For their sake, the Decepticons need a leader. Otherwise, someone like me will only bring forth Chaos. I would hate to finally end this cosmos before he does."
Megatron: *After returning.* "You're no Decepticon. Who are you?"
Me: *Before leaving through a portal* "You can call me... Void."
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Damn, almost like megatron is a villain, can't believe the MURDERER and WAR CRIMINAL would beat a dude up.
@@BackwardsMMA right and after he finds his super army eating eachother I think alot of people are forgetting that I'd imagine alot of deceptions liked seeing star sream get a smack down of his leadership was that shit its like being given china and its winds up as north Korea in three years I'd be pissed to
Cyberverse almost did it. When he prevents slipstream from stealing the allspark, it seems like he would kill her or beat her like megatron does to him. But instead he offers her a hand to get back up and smile to her.
But then his madness made him kill his cult of seekers later before going to fight the Autobots and Decepticons
for those who haven't read/can't read the comics but want to know,
Both Starscream and Megatron in this continuity have pretty somber endings imo, both saved billions of lives in the end, both accepting of their fate, with Megatron in infinite imprisonment and isolation and Starscream as a ghost knowing his last act of heroism will eventually be just a footnote in history.
The most cruel part? Starscream did what he was supposed to. He was second in command, so when Megatron ‘died’ he had to step up to lead the decepticons when nobody else would. He tried his hardest to keep them in healthy and well cared for but he couldn’t. The matrix was behaving good with Starscream so he was capable of being a leader, he was just leading the wrong team. Starscream got depressed in his time as leader, but he pushed on for the decepticon cause. Then Megatron proceeds to beat down Starscream because he did what he was supposed to, while making the others watch?
I’ve never really liked Starscream, but now I feel bad. He tried his absolute hardest, went through mental and physical torture and it still wasn’t enough for Megatron. Starscream asked for Megatron to k1ll him, for this hell to end, but Megatron kept him alive to use him as an example and as a way to calm stress by beating.
Starscream never had anyone who truly cared in his life..
He just needs a hug. ❤️❤️
This is one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Starscream deserves better followers than the Decepticons and most of all, he deserves a better leader than Megatron.
IDW really showed the trauma Starscream went through quite well. Like how when he came to rescue Windblade in her mind while she was possessed by Vigilem. And how, despite the years, his greatest fear was still being punished by Megatron, which Vigilem takes full advantage of by morphing his body to look like megatron. Just goes to show how the writers were really keen on showing the mental instability of beings who have fought in a horrible war for over 4 million years
Starscream always has it rough, but I think he gets it the worse in the comics
@Tea Girl, That's because when it comes to comics, there's more time to do stuff. Comics tend to run for a long time, and as a result, there's more time to make characters more fleshed out. Even in G1, Optimus AND Starscream were basically the most fleshed out characters. Starscream is my favorite Transformer, but I would definitely say that IDW Starscream is my favorite version of him. I read this comic, and I was genuinely surprised at Starscream, because he may be evil, but one thing that no one can deny, is that everytime he fails, he always gets back up and tries again, but with this, he was giving up, and that shocked me.
@@RemixOfTheVoid I agree. Starscream is also my favorite, and I've been thinking of reading IDW for him!
There's Transformer Armada, Starscream in that show is a tragic hero.
@@johnnypulse5542 Yes, the one time a HUMAN in the series actually like him, and was heartbroken when he sacrificed himself. R.I.P Armada Starscream 🤲
jesus i dont want to see him suffer more
he needs help like psychiatrist or anyone?
This version of Starscream *ACTUALLY* shattered my heart… he was a lot like his Armada incarnation in terms of loyalty to Megatron, but constantly being berated, humiliated, and beaten to the point of his psyche breaking and begging for Megatron to just end it is… truly heartbreaking… no one should have to suffer like that… fictional or not…
Sometimes you’ve got to see your situation is not going to change and you’ve got to effect your own change. For me it was seeing where I worked. I was never going to get a pay raise. And there was a coworker who liked to mess with people and wasn’t willing to quit. I realized that I needed to be the change I sought. Ultimately I found a better emotional situation and the happiness that I was looking for. If starscream just cleared out then maybe he might find something worth pursuing either like thundercracker living on earth as a free cybertronian or maybe joining the autobots and seeing what it’s like actually fighting for a purpose
@@matthewcaughey8898 Thing is, he's manipulated into believing he deserves abuse. He's manipulated into believing this is normal. He believes there's no way out because of Megatron, and the other Decepticons.
He _can't_ just get out.
He needs help
At least Bayformers Star didn't break, yet Megs treated him no different
It's really hard to get people to just understand you and how you feel when their own perception and point of view blinds them.
Ouch
Man..This comment section is akin to stabbing your heart-
this hurts :(
Coming from a military background, I can tell you that the treatment of Starscream isnt as convoluted as one may believe.
Yup
No it's toxic mind-breaking and indoctrination, classic military behavior. And people wonder why recruitment rates are so low?
I hold a lot of respect for people like you, having experiences in the military. I grew up in a military family myself, but I never enlisted. That said, I still have a lot of respect for men and women who are in that life, so I'm always watching what I say.
I just want a transformers universe where Starscream gets a redemption and a happy ending he always goes through a bunch of abuse and misery I just want him to get a happy ending 😔
He kinda sort did in the later issues when he actually become ruler of Cybertron - and in the Unicron storyline in previous IDW-verse before Hasbro stuck it's finger in the stew, oops I meant, IDW rebooted it.
Same. I might try reworking some fanfic ideas i had into a story pitch.
Nothing in the entire Transformers world would be better than seeing Starscream revive Unicron, cut Galvatron's arms and legs off and feed him to Unicron alive.
Armada Starscream at least died proud.
REGENERATION 1 STARSCREAM DID
This is the tragedy of Starscream. He wants to be a Leader of comrades. he despises the thought of others following his orders because they have no other choice. Megatron leads and others follow his command. Starscream wants that kind of power. Instead he gets used as a punching bag for the violent abusive monster that Megatron so often is.
What's crazy about this is that some people are like that. This kind of stuff happens in real life. It's what make this comic good. That's why I respect writers man. The fact that they can put such realistic personalities and emotions into fictional, sci-fi, fantasy characters.
Starscream is and will always be my favorite TF. Such an awesome character. Makes me wonder why after all his failed attempts he hasn’t just gone off on his own permanently, neither decepticon or Autobot, but something else.
Because he wouldn't get what he wants: attention and admiration of the masses
He did in at least one continuity- Transformers: Cybertron.
These two have SUCH an unhealthy and toxic relationship. It's heartbreaking.
Bro watching this made me cry to much..
Starscream doesn't deserve this Pain
I don't know how to describe how much I love starscream. An absolute nightmare at times, but just someone who needs support💙💙💙
Yes. He's maybe a coward, an ultimate backstabber, but he was bullied in the whole Transformers universe all the time.
I've read this comic! Never seen Starscream get beaten that bad😬
It ain't just any cruelty. It's almost abusive love. Megatron still gives Starscream credit for his scheming behavior. He literally admitted to appreciating Starscream for helping him be a better and more vigilant leader and that in an ideal world, Starscream would actually be the perfect Decepticon.
#StarScreamdidnothingwrong
But in all seriousness: DAMN. I did not expect this to get this deep. The intensity and twistedness of the dynamic between Starscream and Megatron... Wow. This is intense, but SO WELL DONE. It really shows how intense the relationship is between the two bots here! When I was growing up as a kid, it used to annoy me a bit as to how Starscream's personality and motivation was mostly just "the whiny cowardly one" but DAMN the IDW comic really fleshed it out perfectly!! Really makes me want more lore between these two!! All in all, Starscream is loyal to Megatron, but has such an intense need to rule and be loved and respected... And the dynamic here of Starscream almost being like an emotionally abused child to Megatrons abusive father figure here... damn. Well played!!
Starscream deserves to run away from this war.
He should find peace.
Friendly reminder it's this Megatron that became an autobot later
The fact that this Megatron, who was such a light hearted person, became such an unnerving monster
I think the worst part of all of Starscream's plight here isn't that the Decepticons weren't following him. Their dire straights weren't even Starscream's Fault. They were diverting all their resources to rebuild Megatron, and the ungrateful bastard decides to torment the one person who kept him and the most Decepticons alive. Had they scrapped Megatron when they recovered him, I think Starscream would've actually been able to turn the situation around. But instead, everyone knew Megatron would be back, they were starving themselves so they could build him. Look at Megatron's body compared to every other Decepticon. He's pristine, clean, perfect and running at full power. Starscream? He's broken, rusting, visible cracks all over his head. He didn't even spare himself the resources or care. It literally all went to Megatron.
And that much is just wasted on Megatron. I honestly think had their positions been flipped, and Megatron HAD to keep someone terminal on life support and rebuild them a new better body, he'd have failed to complete the objectives Starscream managed to succeed at. Diverting almost every resource to rebuilding a leader who had more influence than him, Megatron would've forced the Decepticons to listen, he'd have done corporal punishment just like he did to Starscream, and then what? Fix the damage he dealt with his beatings? Not enough resources to go around for every punishment. Go raiding for the supplies you desperately need? With lack of Energon and parts, they couldn't go very far. Every injury, every bit of scrap blown off a Decepticon isn't coming back, those resources are claimed by the reconstruction process. The Decepticon Army would've started dissolving, either due to lethal consequences of Megatron's leadership style or desertion.
Kinda wish there was a What-if style side story where after getting Megatron back to base, upon finding out just how much it would cost for them to fix him, Starscream just blasts him in the face killing him. See how much better the Decepticons fare then.
Ok, I recently started to re-read some of my favorite IDW entries, Like Death of Optimus Prime, MTMTE, Cobra Civil War & Snake Eyes 2011
I Have to say that in full context this story is depressing & painful to read, Even with all the bad things IDW Screamer did, he did NOT deserve this kind of punishment, that scene where he begs Megatron to kill him hits really hard.
To sumarize, IDW comics had so much rewatchable material.
There have been instances where Starscream has revealed something about how he’s alone, disrespected and unable to reach out for help, because Megatron will inevitably beat him down emotionally and physically. He expects to be punished even when he’s undeserving of it and triggers Megatron to get the incident over with. He acts out, trying to be noticed, even if being noticed gets him slagged (by Autobots or other Decepticons as well as Megatron).
We also get to see that, over the vorns, Starscream’s initial hero worship has been twisted by fear and resentment, but he’s unable to flee; he’s burnt too many bridges...
These are all documented, but lesser known, abuse victim behaviours.
This one issue really, really shook me and proved that comics have truly grown up. It’s a compact example of both sides in an abusive relationship and viscerally more powerful than the confrontation Megatron engineers in the Armada cartoon. I couldn’t read it in one sitting and, yes, I wept.
What makes it all the more painful is the knowledge that Starscream has sacrificed everything to bring Megatron back online in the new, more powerful body he uses to wreck his already beaten SIC.
You can find more information on abuse on reputable internet sites and books.
Something similar comes in a line from Starscream in Transformers: Armada; to Megatron, Starscream says, "I tried to gain favor from you, but nothing I did was ever good enough." I and many others have probably felt the same way or said this to someone in our own lives, whether a loved one, or our boss, or someone else important to us. The characterizations of Starscream that I have most enjoyed (or even gravitated to) are those that embrace the very human emotions that come from intense loyalty. Starscream wanted someone to recognize him, to look at him and see someone dependable, to see the things he has spent his life trying to accomplish; being constantly shot down without remorse builds a self-fulfilling prophecy of bungling and failure, where he knows he is expected to fail, so he subconsciously enters into an engagement expecting to fail too. When you know it's impossible to succeed, not because you actually can't succeed, but because it doesn't matter to the person you look to for acceptance whether you succeed or not, life starts to lose meaning, as can be seen in IDW's Starscream in this particular issue.
Perhaps the saddest part was that, even in the moments where he opened fire on Megatron, it was likely rooted in his very loyalty to him: 'Can't you see what condition I'm in? How could you be so cruel?'
Starscream needs a hug.
We need a story in any show or comic where starscream gets a proper redemption arc and the help he needs, as this is usually pushed to the side even when the story is going that way just so starscream can be the punching bag or the butt of a joke.
...he's dead. He, Prime, and a bunch of others died in the comic finale against Unicron. He went out like a hero though
I agree. Megatron was given a redemption arc and I'm not saying he shouldn't have one, but Megatron is the cause of Starscream becoming what he became. Starscream deserves redemption and love too. He never wanted the war and was always saying how he thought it was a long drawn out conflict, saying things like "If I was in charge the war would've been over eons ago." But Megatron is so wrapped up in his own bitterness, resentment, and hatred of how he was treated as a miner and his determination to conquer the universe that he has completely ignored the damage that he's done emotionally, physically, and psychologically to Starscream. He needs to pay it forward to Starscream in some way.
You read my mind
@@kiranmason4943 I think the closest times we've gotten to a Starscream redemption arc was when he temporarily defected to the Autobots in Armada, and when he rejoined the Decepticons in Season 3 of Prime
There is a prime fanfic out there, where Starscream is killed and Optimus brings him back. Using his spark and living inside him before fading into sleep. And Starscream tries to repent and fix his misdeeds.
Starscream needs to join the autobots. I feel like deep down he isn't evil. He only is on the evil team because he feels like he belongs nowhere else. So he endures the abuse
We’ve all felt like Starscream before😞 stay humbled my friends 💚💪🏾
I read this and damn it was depressing I felt really bad for Statscream he didn't deserve that kind of abuse ;-;
agreed, scream is the left out one. hasbro should feel ashamed of themselfs for making a character thats abused. fam kids are watching these shows and reading comics they do not get how serious abuse is.
@@shiningcrystal9259 Transformers is pretty serious in a lot of aspects, aspects kids don't understand and this being one of them doesn't really make it worse. Also: I don't think kids should be reading IDW TF ? It's the most disturbing continuity (for me, at least), and I don't think it's aimed at kids either
@@kuramitokurahi yh i totally agree with you right there even though the franchise is made for kids.
@@shiningcrystal9259 yup. I think most of it is subtle so if you can't understand it as a kid, it doesn't matter. It didn't to me when I was one but after reading MTMTE a year ago, I started seeing Transformers in another light and damn if this is a franchise aimed at kids, I can't imagine how it would be if it weren't
@@kuramitokurahi yh i think the appropriate age is probably about 13 or over, the reason being is that so they understand what's going truly on. the only possible child friendly one is that rescue bots one. damn i use to watch that alot.
I was watching/listening to a dub of this comic the other day and I just couldn't do it, I couldn't finish it cause it was too emotional and painful to me. Starscream is relateable to me in ways that, even though I am a hardcore Autobot fan, no Autobot is. I can find pieces of me in many Autobots, but Starscream's loneliness, trauma and desire to be loved just digs at me deeply. I relate on a personal level, rather than seeing personality traits similar to my own. His speech to Bumblebee when the ghost mech asks him why it's so important for him to be alone just hit me hard. I could make almost the exact same speech, sans the part saying that it was specifically Megatron more often than not and, well, the beating for me is more metaphorical for the most part than literally, but yeah.
There have been iterations of Starscream I didn't like, but I've always been kinda drawn to him, had some sort of understanding of him that others I talked to never seemed to have--which made me feel like I had to hide the fact I liked him at all. After getting into the IDW comics a bit, I am understanding now what has drawn me to him so many times. I am naturally empathetic and sympathetic, so Starscream's story just pulls at my heartstrings, pretty heavily since I relate to him so much.
Are we siblings or something? X.X Also: Someone... actually dubbed this? It was bad enough when I read this when it first came out and it hasn't gotten better, but... Someone actually dubbed this??! I just... Why?! O.O
BRUH LITERALLY SAME
In TFP megaton treats starscream like his son that he wants to learn, but he tries to teach him, he hated him for his ignorance, eventually leaving him alone, he never punished him, left him to live his life. This is so sad, starscream should be treated better.
I always hoped that one day I will see Starscream heal from this terrible abuse but I don't think that has ever happened or will happen
He's genuinely my favourite character and even though he's a coward and a traitor he deserves someone to give him a chance, I just feel so bad for the dude
I knew Megatron was a sick bastard but god, i didnt know he could go this dark!
It makes me think there really was some kind of relationship between Megatron and Starscream at this point. The way Megatron takes joy in torturing Starscream feels all too similar to a warped, bitter husband beating his wife. It feels really personal.
More the useful idiot. Who has dreams but not the potential. And he realizes it. Megatron is a manipulative bastard most of the time. And those ideals that he claims to have, actually never existed. Or maybe they did but are drowned out by his ambitions.
Megatron had it rough in IDW too. He went through a lot before the war started. If you read up on his backstory, you can understand why Megatron is the way he is.
@Crimson The Thunder Knight Did you read the comics? Before the events of "All hail Megatron, which is when the "Abuse of Starscream" takes place, Starscream tried to kill Megatron by supercharging himself with ore 13.
Before the Autobot Decepticon war, Starscream was a scammer. He would con people out of money. Eventually he became a senator and when got tired of the politics, he scammed his constituents out of their money and quit. He then used this money to recruit Skyward and Thundercracker. Starscream then convinced those two to change their bodies so that they would look identical to Starscream. He did this so that it would make it harder for him to be jailed for tax evasion. Starscream is not innocent at all here. He got what was coming to him
@@charleshot25 oh noo starscream committed tax evasion let's give him permanent emotional damage
@@screeee1466 He killed other politicians during the election of Cybertron's new ruler so that he could win.
During his time as leader Starscream did jack shit to save the planet from threats. When the Titans threatened to destroy the planet Starscream got so scared, that he wanted to give up his position as the new ruler of Cybertron and let everyone fend for themselves.
You also completely ignored the fact that Starscream tried to assassinate Megatron, (the one person that took him in) shortly after they got to Earth. There's also the stuff that he did to Windblade. If you actually READ the IDW comics, you'd know how much of a scumbag he was in that universe.
IDW Starscream is one of the purest Starscreams I have ever experienced, along with Armada Starscream.
IDW Megatron is probably a big reason why most fans write stories about Starscream getting beaten by Megatron for no reason at all, for that is the case in G1 at times, even on a few occasions in the cartoon.
G1 Megatron is just cruel, but IDW Megatron is crueller than Cruella DeVil.
I love the Christmas special issue, it's so adorable, and while it makes you feel bad for poor Star, it at least has a happy ending.
A happy Starscream is the most adorable thing ever.
This depressed Starscream... ``(TAT)´´ MY POOR BABY!!!
I don't think any Starscream is more huggable than IDW Starscream.
A STARSCREAM NEEDS HUGS AND LOVE AND THIS ONE AIN'T GETTING EITHER!!!
Thank you... ;)
Okay this Megatron is just outright scary, IDW universe over all have been a wild ride so far tbh. What is that funny holiday special again my sanity might really need it-
Honestly the comics are the darkest, they actually eat each other, suffer, and never win fights. They are even injured for long periods of time.
Really makes you cry. :,(
Here’s one deep from a very old and very deep emotional scar I’ve had with me for a very long time. This is a starscream I can relate to. My mother I think always got a rush out of hurting me emotionally, it seemed to give her pleasure since she couldn’t physically hurt me. Had I been this starscream I probably would have left the leading to soundwave and just vanished. In real life I did just that and tried to put as much distance between my mother and myself as I could. It’s been over 20 years since I did that and this has dredged up memories I thought forgotten. I would have written this as Starscream just left and nobody ever saw him again. Maybe he found what he was looking for somewhere out there in the infinite void
I'm sorry to hear how badly your mother treated you, brother. I can't relate to it exactly but, my mother ran away from me. Twice. Once when I was 2 and the other when i was 13. I wont forget the crying nights I had asking "why can't she visit me?" I eventually got help and learned to forgive her. Even got asked twice if I would want to see her again. I answered; "No. She had her second chance." I had no hatred in my heart for her. But I know she cared about me enough to know i was safe and well raised with my grandparents. I'm not gonna try to pretend to be a psychiatrist or anything but I do hope that one day, you could make peace with not only your mother, but with yourself as well. God bless you man.
@@EclipseHedgehog it’s been rough I’m not going to lie. We talk and occasionally celebrate some holidays. But I’ve built my own life since those days and I’ve done what I can to move on
@Blue Dragon Audio been a long time since I let her hurt me. I know better now then to make the same mistake twice
Strangely, the night before I watched this video I had a dream about TP Starscream. He helped the autobits defeat Unicron and actually made friends with them. But as they were going their separate ways with starscream leaving to be on his own, the auto bots accepted him and he left to join team Prime. With this sad story, I wish more than ever for Starscream to be appreciated.
Nice dream.
I'd love to dream in transformers
Wasn’t expecting to traumadump in the comments of a Transformers video, but I dunno. I feel like a kindred spirit to Starscream, and maybe somebody here needs to read a story like this.
A very, very long time ago, I was abused by someone who I was supposed to look up to, someone who was supposed to guide me and encourage me. I was too young to understand, too young to say no, too young to realize what was happening. I was abused and manipulated and treated like some kind of toy or a game. Those memories stuck with me as I grew. They felt wrong, but my weak, young mind didn’t know _why._ When I got older, of course, I understood. I remembered everything. And it was the most humiliating feeling I’ve ever known. Remembering how pathetic and defenseless I was, allowing myself to be used in such a disgusting way. Thinking about it makes my skin crawl. I would rather die than let it happen to me again.
I understand his pain. I wasn’t the only one whom I failed. Time and time again I’d had the opportunity to speak up, to stand up for us both and stop what was happening, but I didn’t. I was too scared, too ashamed and most of all, too cowardly. I couldn’t protect myself nor the other. I’m still not over it. I still regret every moment of those memories, and the things that happened to make them.
There’s no greater punishment than knowing you failed, that you allowed something humiliating and horrifying to happen, and knowing that those memories will never leave you.
I'm sorry that has happened, but I hope you keep being strong not for your self but FOR YOU AND OTHERS
💙I’ve had something similar like that happen to me. Starscream is my favorite character to bc I can’t help but to feel similar
It’s not your fault
These are types of story lines I enjoy. When there is empathy for a villain. Where a character exposes themself to the reader of their darkest thoughts. It makes a character more characteristicly human. Even though we are supposed to hate the villain we grow to understand of whom they are, and what drives them.
Finally some talk about IDW Starscream
My god i want to Dropkick megatron into a pool of acid for this
This comic really hit home as an Abuse victim myself and Starscream is my comfort character.
(Spoilers) The worst thing about IDW Starscream is that because he's so traumatized from Megatron, he developed unhealthy coping mechanisms and unsavory traits such as lying, manipulation, trust issues, lack of self confidence and aggression. All of which are real trauma responses from abuse. (Especially Lying and manipulation are abuse survival tactics!) Starscream can't do anything about them on his own anymore because he's just broken beyond repair and he *knows* it. So he shuts himself off from other people and becomes apathetic. Especially the comics from Robots in Disguise has shown Starscream talking to himself, saying that everyone hates him, wants him dead and it's why he's so defensive. Why care about other people anymore when everyone would celebrate your death?
In Till all are one, Bumblebee snaps at Starscream after he struggled with his leadership as ruler of Cybertron after consciously making bad decisions just so he could feel better and shouts "Why is it so important for you to be alone?" And Starscream's response is just heartbreaking. "Because I AM alone. Because the nanosecond i forget that, Life, most often in the shape of MEGATRON, beat the truth back into me! Literally!"
So thoughout the later comics of IDW Starscream is hated, scrutunized, gets no support, no patience from other people, no one to listen to, no friends, essentially because he's traumatized from Megatron. MEGATRON DURING MTMTE ON THE OTHER HAND.. Gets a shipful of people's support and sympathy, Therapy, Many second chances and people who listen to what he has to say. All because Megatron had to play victim and pretended he actually cared about all the people he hurt or killed during the war. (He doesn't.)
Megatron gets a happy ending, Starscream dies having never lived a happy life and i am giving the writers of IDW a big fat middle finger for that one.
GIVE ABUSE VICTIMS A HAPPY ENDING. JUST BECAUSE IT'S STARSCREAM DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE'S INCAPEABLE OF BEING GOOD OR THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE SUPPORT.
Everyone in MTMTE wanted to murder megatron lmao, he absolutely does regret what he did, he was fighting off ghosts of past just to survive and was willing to commit suicide to repent for what he did.
megatron is a villain, he doesn’t care about the effects of abuse, he has murdered with a smile on his face and beating starscream is the least of his worries, if anything it’s a stress reliever.
This isn’t a story about an abuse victim, starscream, finally getting one last chance at a happy ending, being able to escape his abuser, this is a story about a tyrannical ruler, Megatron, finding his army in the worst shape imaginable, and finding out starscream is responsible for it, this is Megatron rising to the top once more through whatever savage, ruthless, and cruel ways he knows how. He is a murderer and war criminal and is lucky to be alive. He willingly endangered his own life (he assumed he was going to die from the event actually) just so he could save his crew and fought alongside his arch-nemesis to save all of creation twice. I’m not here to shit on starscream, but don’t downplay megatron either.
Spot on.
@@BackwardsMMA Megatron being a villain doesn't justify IDW's Treatment towards Starscream because frankly, it's just one big fuck you to abuse survivors. When as an abuse survivor you see a fictional character you can relate to because you know their pain, you would want this character to thrive and be happy. To experience joy that has been robbed from your own life. And when that very same character gets treated like shit essentially for being an abuse survivor, you yourself begin to feel like shit too. Spotlight megatron has been extremely triggering and hard to any trauma/abuse victim who read it and to know that Starscream doesn't get a good ending leaves an impression. Fiction does affect reality and for us it feels like we don't deserve a good ending either. Defend Megatron all you want (even though that's a braindead thing to do) but consider how other people feel towards the treatment of a character that feels personal to so many individuals.
I am truly sorry to you an anyone else who experienced what you have, but saying that the writers are trying to paint a negative picture on abuse victims because one of the most evil dude's in the the fictional universe beat up another fictional dude who failed him...there are a couple flaws to that logic. Your personal views on a fictional character don't affect mine, I think megatron, especially IDW Megatron, is the shit (Animated is the best tho), this comic was hilarious to me in retrospect to his character. I personally think Megatron should've died in the galvatron saga, and not do the whole "redemption arc", he's never been that type of character to me. Also, I don't know why you came into a comic about war and bloodshed expecting the character in arguably the worst position in the war to come out with a sunshine and rainbows happy ending. War sucks, war isn't happy, and in war, sometimes people don't get happy endings, and that's cruel, but it's the way of the world. I'm not defending Megatron, he's a war criminal, I cant defend that, but to say he got off scott free would be plain wrong.
Also, don't call me braindead if you want me to consider how other people feel.
@@NOTDeezy. Okay look, I’m really not the best at character analysis, but if you feel like it, this video pretty well sums up the more deep themes of Megatron and Starscream th-cam.com/video/iik25wqIuFo/w-d-xo.html
and I thought a relationship between prime starscream and megatron is the worst
Yeah, at least Prime Megatron only punishes Starscream when Starscream has been really bad.
This one just does it for the fun of it.
Like a freaking psychopath.
@@Rubywing4 yep agreed
@Dariel Rojas That's one of the reasons why I love IDW.
Comics are often much more mature and darker than the shows they share a franchise with. I mean, just look at the Pokémon Manga, there are instances of Pokémon actually getting killed, there was a time where a Charmeleon cut an Arbok's head off, and another time when a Poliwhirl got impaled through its stomach.
Like damn, comics can be SO mature, even if the show it shares a franchise with is lighthearted and for kids. I love it!
@@Rubywing4 the arbok thing was in a dream not real
@@8ball180 Really? I haven't actually read the manga, I've just seen images of panels from the manga.
But even if it's just a dream and not real, it's still pretty graphic.
I never read comic books but Starscream is like a totally different character than he was in the cartoons.So was shockwave from what I've seen he was just as strong as Megatron and a lot smarter, shame he was made insignificant and marooned on Cybertron.
When i was a kid i used to watch the old school transformers and when my ma asked me what i wanted for xmas instead of saying i wanted a Optimus Prime like most kids no i asked for Starscream he has always been my fav transformer and he's been Megatron's punching bag since well forever so just to see this kind makes me sad he deserves so much better and should be appreciated more.
SkyWarp: ALL HAI-(get's his face covered)
Barricade: (muttering SkyWarp) Don't you *dare* to finish that sentence.
Seeing my favorite character in such a Depressed spot, very relatable
The fact that the drab, dim room which could be initially mistaken for a cell was the throne room is deeply telling.
Megatron shows what a leader who treats his people like slaves looks like.
Optimus Prime shows us what being a leader and treating everyone as equals is like
IDW comics have so many flaws but they can do great emotional scenes when they want to. One thing I always disliked about some original versions of Starscream is how sleazy and dishonorable he was, but other versions of him like Armada and even Prime did his good side justice. His relationship with Megatron has great depth that should always be explored more.
I think they need to reconcile.
Because I love IDW so much, I'm leaving a second comment.
Starscream is, like Megatron and Ratchet, a perfect representation of what IDW2005's Transformers run represents.
Starscream isn't some body, and a name used to sell toys, he isn't a Flanderized husk of pervious iterations.
Starscream is what makes IDW great.
He is a person.
Having been beaten, and hurt. Having been redeemed and praised.
He is a person with a life that is told throughout IDW's run. And what is possibly the most beautiful thing in that universe is his final appearance. Where he states that its okay if he's not remembered for being a savior. That he's just happy being remembered.
I hope we get a version like this Starscream on the big screen someday. I love the cowardly traitor but it'd be great to see another heroic Starscream
Never thought I'd feel bad for Screamer, but here we are.
"Tired of the bone-deep chill of losing, Starscream? Then stand WITH me"
I think that says everything about Megatron and Starscream. That and "... I almost mean it".
Megatron feels as though Starscream needs him. He somewhat admires the viciousness and cunning that Starscream holds within him. He sees the potential he holds, maybe even fears it. He would never kill Starscream because deep down he needs him too. But as the brutal warlord he is, he can't stand the idea of Starscreams aspirations blossoming, so he keeps him in check, feeding his own toxic lust for cruelty that truly makes him evil rather than the liberator he claims to be. I think the war truly warped them both.
Starscream is so God damn sad dude, he is so damn lonely and it makes me real sad that I can relate to him
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