Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
All the more reason to trust him. Unlike Gamefan86, who gets his info from social media conspiracy pages and doesn't realize every single thing he said has been thoroughly debunked. Gamefan also fails to realize that differences matter much more than similarities. 🤷♂️
Faith in God is all I have left. Faith! I’m keeping faith even though it is difficult at this time. I’m so ashamed and embarrassed over my situation. I lost my job as a social worker because I declined the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health condition (Lupus) and heart disease. I’m on a bunch of medications including blood thinners. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth hospital. I fell like every month me and the boys are facing homelessness. Every month is a struggle. I can’t be on the streets with two young children. I’m so depressed. My husband passed away three years ago in a car accident. I miss him dearly. I’m still coping with his death. I’m a single mother with two sons both are autistic, and non verbal. I am so overwhelmed at this point in time, it’s so hard on me. I am all alone no family nor friends to help me durning my time of need. But it’s my faith in God that will carry me through. Please keep me and my children in your prayers thank you. God bless.
Pray for you? Millions pray for starving children in Africa. Devout people of faith pray and weep with despair and what does God do? Nothing. He watches as his faithful believers die. Prayers are useless and while I am sorry for you in your situation, God is not going to intervene and help you. Seek practical solutions, not miracles.
This wouldn’t be a $- making post would it? you’re laying it on pretty thick. Your rheumatologist would have recommended you absolutely should have had the vaccines and boosters. (RN in a rheumatology clinic) Considering there has thought to have been, rarely, an issue with blood clots and the vaccine ( not sure where the research sits on this now) it’s a ‘bonus’ that you’re on an anticoagulant. Don’t waste your time praying to god, hit the pavement running. I expect you prayed to god to help you make a decision. Since he is omniscient, he would have known that advising you to refuse the vaccine would cause chaos and suffering. God seems to specialize in suffering.
Wow... either you've got many different TH-cam accounts or there's many other persons with your exact same story. This story had been copied/ pasted into several different comment sections by several different commentors. What's your end game by posting this comment?
Taking everything you said about your situation at face value, your god is a dick (I mean he's given you Lupus, heart disease, two non-verbal autistic children, not to mention killing your husband). Forget pity and prayers and start making better decisions for the sake of your children and yourself. Bite the bullet, get the vaccine and then get your social service job back. Don't rely on faith, that's just wishful thinking.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” - Ephesians 2: 8-9
No one rejects Christ. What is rejected is succumbing to one's depravity, to think one is entitled to possess everything, some day. Isn't this depravity what you fear to lose if Atheism is right? Can you be at least honest enough to admit this?
I think that saying “Jesus has risen” was a great way to get the authorities to go after you and your loved ones. What an amazing way to go about it, right? “Let me say what I know to be a lie and put my whole family at risk.” What a great explanation. NOT! The explanation for the spread of the gospel in its beginning seems so simple that we (who love to over complicate all things in life) will easily overlook what is in front of our very eyes.
People have died for incorrect beliefs throughout history. Especially considering the Christian martyrdom complex that is literally baked into the gospels, why wouldn't they want to die? Just refer to the Jonestown massacre for evidence that such things can and do happen. You are ignoring the power of cult indoctrination if you think such things cannot happen; it's all quite well-documented.
@@WaterCat5 well said. Even though I never said those things never happen, I respectfully disagree. What I am saying is that you and I would not give up the freedom that we and our loved ones enjoy for something that we clearly understand to be a lie. People in cults clearly believe in something (even if it’s clearly a lie). The question here is, why would a movement such as this (Christianity) flourish after the death of its leader instead of withering away like those before it? It does not make sense if we compare it to the outcome of movements preceding it.
@@Abiwrl Is it not too far a stretch to say it was simply a well-executed cult that was not too extreme for most people? It had the benefit of deriving from an already established tradition, which landed it more credence. Then when the Roman empire picked it up, it became entrenched and probably mellowed out. While the Christiand martyrdom does include death, it also includes everyday suffering, so people can fulfill their persecution with other things.
People have died for being pagan, therefore paganism is real and every tree is a god. If you don't agree with that then you've not really got an argument.
@@iseriver3982 Wrong. It’s a completely different argument in regards to Christianity. These people who died for being Christians weren’t just receiving the information about what happened with the resurrection thousands of years later like we are. These were eyewitnesses who lived in the same time Jesus did. Yet; they refused to deny Jesus even if it cost them their lives. In contrast, pagans and or religious people of other faiths than Christianity have died for their beliefs, BUT they did not die for a belief that relied on something they were EYEWITNESSES to. That’s the difference. It’s a lot easier to die for something you didn’t witness (or ask someone who did witness it about) than it is to die for something that you know for a fact is a lie. If Jesus’ followers knew it was a lie and he never came back to life, why would they all agree to die for it? Certainly they had nothing to gain because both the Romans and their own people (the Jews) didn’t like Jesus and what he taught.
This is such a good point - the disciples were looking for a Messianic figure to restore Israel. When that didn't happen, ending in Jesus' death, the natural thing would be to just jettison the whole movement. Instead, they are completely taken off guard by the resurrection of Jesus.
@@gustavmahler1466 OK, so, what is the issue, Spider? How would a resurrection, not only of Jesus, but of everyone at the final judgement, be nullified by this verse? How long is"held"?
The messianic movements behind Menachem Mendel Schneerson and Sabbatai Zevi lasted well beyond their respective death and conversion to Islam. This is the power of the backfire effect, and this is probably what happened to at least Peter. The fact that this particular belief happened to take off many hundreds of years later simply shows that it was appealing to a general audience, no doubt intentionally engineered that way by Paul, who argued that non-Jews could join without needing to be circumcised or keep kosher.
I don’t think you’re right that it took off hundreds of years later. And, if we accept Mark as a reasonably trustworthy early source, Jesus was already starting to reject the Law in favour of his own theories.
@@davethebrahman9870 Mark is not a reasonably trustworthy early source. Written by some Greek guy, decades and decades after Jesus, a thousand miles away.
@@ryeclansen7371 We don’t know precisely where or when it was written, but the author was probably a native Aramaic speaker, his Jesus fits well into first century Palestine, and internal evidence suggests a date pre-70.
Come? Repent to Holy Bible Rev.22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, LORD JESUS. THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS be with God's people.Amen." Prays Jesus Christ?
I have not heard a skeptic such as Dr. Bart Erhman or even Paulogia ever say that the resurrection was invented. Rather they say it is legendary. There are other legends that have been created in other faiths. Just because a legend is completely new does not mean it is not myth. FYI I am a Christian. We can counter the legendary argument as Christians without answering a question that skeptics seldom ask except for Mythicists. I loved Dr. Dale C. Allison's book as he is honest about the challenges we Christians face. I think he is Intellectually honest and books like his is one reason i have remained a Christian. it is alright to say the resurrection part is faith and we don't have historical proof of that or we can't reasonably prove that. That would be not losing. That would be Intellectual humility.
I sometimes see Atheists in the comment section pretending to be Christians. They always mention Paulogia or Ehrman, which is the first giveaway. Then you go to their channels, and you see that it's filled with content from Atheist channels.
@@mikewesselhoff439 looking at atheist channels does not make one non Christian. It may mean someone is deconstructing and that is alright. Also questioning in Christianity is okay. Thomas doubted Jesus until he touched his wounds. Jesus was not offended at all that he was questioning his resurrection and neither should you.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
@@kalobadams7803 Correct. The arguments against Christianity do not rely on these anhistorical analogues, although no doubt they contributed to certain aspects of Christian theology.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
The claim regarding all the new things written about resurrected Jesus after the fact, falls kind of flat for me. Look at modern myths like Superman, zombies, etc. They were all much more limited in their abilities in the beginning, but as more people brought more creativity to the matter, abilities and characteristics start to evolve. And in some instances one modern myth spurs the development of another that is similar but has striking differences such that it needs to become its own thing/entity. This is also what seems to have happened with the evolution of Judaism from the other religions of that area around the same time. Take a little of this one, a little of that one, and over time devlop it into a separate and cohesive narrative. Which would mean that there is pre-messianic precedent for what Mr. Wright is denying in order to prove the resurrection.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
Yes, NT Write like most other New Testament scholars dismisses almost everything in the gospels as Myth but holds on to the resurrection The Nicene Creed "and was made man; and was crucified, suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, belief
How does Prof. Wright explains that the earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses of the gospel according to Mark, the first written, do not have verses 9-20 of the last chapter. It originally ended like this: "Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid." Not a word about the disciples meeting Jesus after his dead.
I find it hard to believe that 12 apostles who never waivered in their testimonials that Jesus had been raised from the dead , would lie or even make up this . They were stoned and imprisoned for their accounts and if there were any doubt in their minds about the resurrection, there is no way they would have endured all that...... In comparison as far as lies go look at Watergate the people involved with Watergate were powerful individuals and none of them could keep a lie
well, there were 14 disciples named in the New Testament ... and quite a few more Apostles, eg, they include Paul. One disciple who John does not give a name but calls the "disciple whom Jesus loved" is described as immortal. So I guess we could just ask that Disciple. There is next to nothing about what the other disciples did in the NT. One is only referred to as Judas not Iscariot to distinguish him for the traitor. In Arminian Church history Bartholomew and Thaddeus are said to have founded the first church. But this is disputed by Latin and Lutheran churches ... we might observe that there is little the churches agree on.
OH I see, so you are saying, there's never been deluded cultists, who are so deluded, they are willing to suffer for a bullcrap belief, that they are so deluded with. got it.
@@ryeclansen7371 There are NO known firsthand, or even secondhand, reports of any apostle dying SPECFICALLY FOR the belief of Jesus literally, bodily, rising from the grave. Christian apologists NEVER squarely face that. They always find a way to weasel around it, or to smuggle it in to some other general belief about the stories. And even if they did die for that specific belief, so what ? Other cult nuts die for bullcrap, doesn't mean that bullcrap is therefore true. Christian apologists tend to be dishonest.
The book of Acts is mostly legendary and written in order to answer the question of what happened to the other Apostles. Thus they (almost) all die horrible martyrs' deaths because it's more convincing to potential converts. Myself I suspect a good number of Jesus's followers went back to their old lives, while a small core group convinced themselves that Jesus was still alive in some sense, and his promise of a Kingdom of God in Judea in his followers' lifetimes, was still intact.
The difference between Christianity and other messianic movements of the time appears to be Paul. Without Paul there would have been no Christianity. Paul was able to bring his ideas out of the small circle of Jews into the larger world. My guess is Christianity was offering some new ideas that other religions weren't providing at the time. Gathering together in close communities, the idea that your life struggles would be rewarded, women allowed to join, etc.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
There are several incidences where Jesus contradicts Christianity. Here is one. Was the Crucifixion a sin, or not? According to Jesus, it was. In Luke 23 verse 34 we have Then said Jesus," Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. " So, those, responsible for crucifying Jesus, were committing a sin, requiring God's forgiveness. But Christianity says the Crucifixion was necessary to " Cleanse humanity of its sins", so those responsible for the Crucifixion were not committing a sin, and therefore did not need God's forgiveness.
Just a reminder that this kind of strange argumentation is only convincing to people who already believe. To those of us who don’t, it just seems like an elaborate exercise in confirmation bias. Side note, Jesus wasn’t the only one raised, read Matthew’s account of the resurrection.
I totally agree. Also NT Wright is answering a question that many people don't ask. Many people don't say the story of Jesus's resurrection is an invention rather it is legendary. Dr. Dale C Allison is great at making this point and he is a Christian. Intellectual honesty is a big issue in apologetics. Yes it is confirmation bias indeed
Exactly. The graves of Jerusalem were opened and all the dead walked the city. Strange that this important piece of "history" has never been written about by anyone else. I mean it's the ABSOLUTE TRUTH isn't it coming from the holy scripture??
Maybe you're not aware of it, and maybe you don't like it, but plenty of reasonable and thoughtful people have converted to Christianity after carefully considering the arguments for the resurrection.
@@mikewesselhoff439 I have seen the opposite in my view so I guess we have different experiences. I was one who almost left Christianity because of these resurrection arguments from apologists as when I looked at the data it was flimsy at best. I have a some friends who are still skeptical because of this. One lady i know even used strong words that they lied. Off course i don't believe apologists set out to lie, but I can understand why she said that. I was grateful to Dr. Dale.C Allison and Christopher Stanley who are Christians but just honest about what we can prove and what we cannot. I think there is this misconception by many apologists that not proving something historically or Scientifically means that it is false. But as we know things we think are historically accurate today may prove false in the future and there are many things that can't be proven to be Scientifically or historical factual that are nevertheless true. I have faith that the apostles and disciples were telling the truth that Jesus rose from the dead through oral tradition. Can it be objectively proven Scientifically or historically? Nope.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Two days of Bank Holidays to celebrate the Death and Resurrection of Jesus. I suggest another two days to celebrate the death and resurrection of Lazarus, another two to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jairus' daughter, and a host of others, to celebrate the saints who jumped out of their graves after the "Resurrection" Matthew 27 verse 52. Mind you, there are only three hundred and sixty five days in the year.
I can't believe this guy thinking that resurrection was so unprecedented that it wouldn't occur to the disciples. It was not unusual for people to come back to life because the moment of death was hard to estimate. This has been going on forever. Didn't they use to put a bell in the grave in case someone woke up again after the funeral? So a resurrection was not a weird idea at all.
not when you're literally crucified, beaten, stabbed in the HEART by a Roman solider, etc. That would have been a bigger miracle than him being resurrected.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Let's settle the argument forever! Ask Jesus to come back! After all that can't be too difficult because he is resurrected so he is still alive and he probably lives somewhere on a planet in another galaxy. And ask him to perform his imaginary "miracles" in a lab under scientifically controled circumstances!
He doesn’t live on another planet, he transcends space-time. Also, check out Eucharistic miracles, which have been rigorously scrutinized in labs. Scientists can’t explain the phenomena they have witnessed. Lastly, he will come back, as he promised to do.
@luxdei7186 Jesus is supposed to be BODILY resurrected, not spiritually, so where did his body go? And what does that even mean to "exist" "out of space and out of time"? Something can not exist for zero seconds because then it does not exist. And neither can something exist for eternity "out of time" because eternity IS an indication of time! And neither can something exist "out of space" because something that exists takes space itself! It is an absurd, completely abstract, and contradictionary concept! And NOT ONE SINGLE "Eucharistic miracle" has been observed in the world, let alone in a lab! And give me a sign when Jesus is coming back! Because christians have been waiting for that to happen for more than 2000 years! Anyway, science and especially evolution have already debunked the crux of christianity and the crux of all the other religions I know of AGES ago! And there is not a shred of evidence for the existence of ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator!
NT Wright did not make a coherent argument here. He needs to actually explain the context of what resurrection would have meant to 1st century Jews because as of now he is just asserting brute facts without any backing.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 No I'm pretty sure it was clam worship. The gospels alluded to this relationship with the parable of the 'pearl of great price.' He hung out with fishermen. He also walked on the sea, where clams live. Clam, not sun.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins: Question Please tell me who is his people?
A day of reckoning? What will that involve? People being tortured for eternity because they couldn't bring themselves to believe a prosperous story with zero supporting evidence. Now that's what I call justice.
@@grahamblack1961 The Bible (including the New Testament) is full of people, places, events and predictions that have been proven factual. Skeptics and pundits have been trying to disprove anything in it for thousands of years and all have failed. No other document comes close. Atheists choose to believe that “nothing” exploded and created this vast amazing infinitely complex fine tuned cosmos and that DNA was created when lightning struck a primordial slime rock. And that there are more than two genders. Silly. There is infinitely more proof if you are truly searching for the truth. Start by reading “Evidence That Demands A Verdict” by Josh McDowell. Earthquakes. Wars. Plagues. Lawlessness. Divorce. Child sacrifice to the god of self convenience. Israel back in the land after 2000 years and surrounded by enemies. Cartels controlling our southern border. Corruption. Rampant crime. Worldwide celebration of perversity. Removal of God’s word from education business society and government. Political and bureaucratic nepotism and exploitation. Democrat politicians stoking division in order to get and/or keep power. Media in collaboration with corrupt bureaucrats. Much like we are in the days of Noah. A day of reckoning is coming. It seems you’ve made your choice. I hope not. I’m not here to argue. I wish you well. Maranatha.
Matthew, an eye witness. Mark, an eye witness. John, an eye witness. Luke, who interviewed and compiled his gospel and Acts based on interviews with the last of the eye witnesses.
@@mitchelldenny1966 Mark was not even an eyewitness. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not believed by most scholars to have written the Gospels to whom they were later attributed.
If we were saved at the Cross why bother with the resurrection? Because it was when Jesus was raised as our judge we may be forgiven past sins if we repent. The Cross is a 'Myth in so-called Christianity'.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 Or all the mythological stories prophesy Jesus. Myths are sometimes stories retold, and is your presentation a re-hash of the original. All of the traditions in the Mosaic temple polity are a type and shadow of Jesus. Jesus being the sacrifice, the Temple, the high priest and the Mercy Seat. What I am saying to you is "are those signs of his coming?". His coming was written in the stars, and all stories and people are symbolic, so the things you provide only enhance his coming as the Messiah. I would love you to view at least one of my Ytube videos on Myths in so-called Christianity, I have #1 - #10 in my full name Simon John Skinner. Maybe we are on the same page.
@@DonutDumpster Off the top of my head, if he was not raised your faith is in vain. The Cross was God's sacrifice to the world, and for his pains Jesus inherited the church, the Cross is involved in many myths that need examination. I hope you watch my videos as the technicalities blow away the myths, and the gospel of God is in Ezekiel 33:11-16, and expounded on by Paul in the gospel of salvation (Romans).
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 If These is true 90% of the Bible (old and New Testament) doesn't make any sense. Most Importly, for Jews Sun Worship is purley idolatry and one of the worst sin of all. Why Young devout Jews should create a Sun Mythologie ? Or why anyone should create a Sun Mythologie in Ancient Israel and not basically in Ancient Egypt ? Or Peter how can a Man do what just the Sun can do ? The Gospel defenetley Was written 130 A.D. or earlier..., Because we can't read anything about Simon bar Kochba his Revolt or the result of the Revolt ..., Or Tacitus (a fictional Tacitus in the 15th Century does make any sense)
@@thinkingandwondering4725 I would love to see some citations for this post Gamefan has been putting under almost all the comments. But I think his point is that it *was* sun worship, and *then* evolved into Judaism as time went on. I don't entirely buy his theory (lack of references), but I wouldn't be shocked if most ancient religions did start as some form of sun worship.
This is all disingenuous assumption. Unless and until you can prove with evidence that any of the events in the NT are true, you are being dishonest in asserting their veracity. I assert that just like any other religious belief, or the purported miracles of any other god or religious figure, it is all mythological. There is absolutely no good reason to unquestioningly believe the stories of Jesus and not believe what is written about the Buddha or the Hindu gods. Are the stories about the Buddha and Mohammed true? If one is obliged to accept Jesus’ miracles as true, then why is one not similarly obliged in the case of the Buddha and Mohammed? Conversely, if untrue stories about the Buddha and Mohammed could arise without factual basis, then why couldn’t untrue stories about Jesus arise in the same manner?
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Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
The corpse of Jesus was dematerialised to prevent it being used as a relic of reverence - a wise move when one sees how the later established church dealt with old bones of so-called martyrs. "The Dead" had nothing to do with mortal death but refers to those who were separated from God as apostates. Jesus was the first spiritual being to enter the region of Hell and tackle Lucifer at his own game while remaining faithful to God. The resurrection of Jesus was a spiritual event following 40 days teaching His disciples about everything that had been achieved through His mission of redemption. He was a spirit materialising and dematerialising at will as it suited His purpose. Angels, archangels, and ever Christ Himself had appeared to humans in this manner throughout Jewish history - taking on a temporary physical body in order to speak and eat with those fortunate enough to receive such a visitation. Abraham and Sarah experienced such a visit by Christ and His two companions.
It is more difficult to make a clay figure and give it breath of life, than to resurrect a corpse that has not yet decomposed. But for the hands of God nothing is difficult.
If god made man out of clay you would expect that he would have made him a little different from the rest of the animals. Yet we have the same kind of body - a vertebrae, four limbs, heart, lungs and nerve cells, etc. Everything works in the same way. I knew a lady who was doing research on the human digestive system. What did she use? Earthworms. The simplest kind of digestive tract. You're not much different from an earthworm. You ingest and digest basically the same thing, other organic matter. What gives an earthworm indigestion gives you indigestion.
@@ryeclansen7371 The subject is the resurrection of the Son of God, not the functioning of living organisms. What I am saying is that a corpse can be resurrected, because death is only physical, not spiritual. But when a human body is resurrected they are either collected from the elements of the earth (what we call mud), or from a corpse. In the case of Christ, the resurrection took place from a corpse, or the same with Lazarus. In other cases, when the body rots totally or partially, the elements are retaken and what is weak or corruptible becomes incorruptible. The point I want to get to metaphorically is that dead human bodies are like cars without gasoline, but when you fill the tank with gasoline, with what we call the breath of life, or spirit, that vehicle comes back to life.
No one said they did. They just weren’t very smart. And they were on a good thing financially. By the way, where is there the slightest evidence that the disciples were ‘Pharasaic Jews’?
You have got to be the most ignorant person in history if you really think they made this story up for financial gains. Also, NT Wright didn't say that the disciples were Pharisaic jews. Did you even listen to what he said?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86Not good analogues. The Jesus of the gospels is not born in December (the shepherds in Matthew are in the fields at night). No one in antiquity thought that the sun was born of a virgin, and in any case the astrological matters you mention relate to the classical Greek and Roman system; the Jesus stories, true or not, arose among Jews, and in the two earliest gospels (Matthew and Luke) Jesus is concerned exclusively with Jewish questions.
So because of Jesus : John5-28-29,Matthew 12:36-37,Matthew12:42, 1Corinthians6:1-8, Revelation20:12-13 "each person". 100 billion people and babies and children will be raised and give an account? Then what? Not going to happen
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
@@Gamefan86 ummm....nope. It didn't. Christianity is rooted in human beings sinfulness (which is self-evident) and God not wanting us to stay that way.
His point is that the trends of a false messiah are completely contradictory to the trends of Jesus as the messiah. Also, "invented" indicates a complete lack of understanding of the historicity of Jesus. you have a big problem when the worlds leading historians have no doubts he existed.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
God is a trinity that consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Jesus is the son). Jesus died so that we may have a path to salvation through him, he lived a perfect life with no sin and him dying for us was an acceptable sacrifice to God. We are to confess and repent of our sins and put our trust in him because that’s the only way we will be made righteous in front of God (through Jesus). His resurrection was necessary because it proved that he conquered death and whoever believes in him will never perish but have everlasting life.
By this 'they had no reason to make it up' logic, we should believe people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. People who make this claim have brought a whole world of ridicule on to themselves and their families. Is a valid argument to say - I can't imagine what would motivate them to make something like that up therefore it must be true.
The disciples didn't - Paul did, when he saw Satan disguised as an angel of light. No disciple of Jesus/Yeshua wrote a single word of the NT. Let me repeat - none of the NT was written by eye witnesses of the zealot who died on a tree, causing God to curse him. Paul invented the resurrection and atonement, even though YHWH calls human sacrifice an abomination,.
The "Resurrection" of Jesus is gibberish. According to the Gospels, loads of people rose from the dead, long before Jesus. Lazarus and Jairus' daughter for example . In Matthew 10 verse 8, we read that the disciples raised people from the dead. Jesus believed that the dead could rise, pick up shovels and bury dead people, something he unkindly suggested to a grieving son who was about to bury his dead father. After the "Resurrection" according to Matthew 27 verse 52, thousands of the dead were miraculously restored to life and marched into Jerusalem. Do you really believe this nonsense?
OK...everything suggested here is reasonable but it still begs the question. Did a demigod, apparently yhe inseminated product of a God, walk around 2000 years ago in ancient Judea and was subsequently crucified, buried, and resurrected? I'm sorry it's just preposterous! We are all adults in the room right? If not then send the children off to bed before this series of questions. Just how was Mary inseminated? Did God somehow take the form of a human being and 'know' Mary...did he have intercourse? Did the Universe quiver as He had an orgasm? Were any black holes created or other Universes spawned? How long did He retain this form? Or perhaps He just took over Joseph's mind and body? Grow up y'all! It is a myth, a legend, a fanciful story with no more reality than Cinderella or Harry Potter. Sorry to break it to you but if Russia and NATO get into a real war and the USA gets involved it's curtains for us all or nearly all of us. Guess what? The typical logarithmic growth curve assoc with plant growth, population growth, econ growth, and many other phenomenon can be applied to the growth of civilizations. Anyone care to bet that we are not in the tail end of the steady state portion of the graph? We are going down folks! And if you want SIN why botherbwith stupid stuff like infidelity or stealing? HUMAN BEINGS HAVE DESTROYED 3 TRILLION TREES, destroyed countless ecosystems, toxified the waters of this planet, murdered at least 3 million whales, eliminated at least 1000 vertebrate species since your so called demigod walked around and annihilated at least 50% of the natural world. So what "sins" have you or I commited that are even relevant to the mass murder of the biosphere for profit? We all will be judged for destroying the biosphere. This century billions will die of starvation and western civilization will fall into ruins. By the end of this century it will be a miracle if a few million of us are left. Now go pray that we all begin to understand this. Carolus Linnaeus should of named us Homo annihilatus.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
You don't seem to understand that if God doesn't exist it doesn't matter if we destroy the planet. It's all coming to an end anyway. If all human beings disappeared tonight all other organisms would eventually go extinct the sun would burn out etc. Good night. Not only that but on atheistic evolution views we didn't choose to be here. We're the victims as much as animals even more so. We are the product of millions of years of random genetic variation over which we had no control and no choice. And unlike animals we know we're going to die and we experience far more levels of pain. Tom Wright is correct though ♥️
Who is God in Islam ? Muslims believe that God has no partners or associates who share in His divinity or authority and that God is transcendent, unlike His creations, and thus has no physical form. Nor is God believed to exist in (or be represented by) any material object. A number of divine attributes or “names,” which serve to describe God, are found in the Qur’an. Some commonly known attributes include the Most Merciful, the Most Forgiving, the Most High, the Unique, and the Everlasting, among others.______________________________
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Jesus was the messiah. His mission was to establish the kingdom of God on Israël and Juda. He had to be the Grand Priest and the King of Israël He has been killed so He couldn’t finish His mission But He resurrected… So He could reanimate his mission… and …. He did nothing Just leaving the initiative to St Paul who came with theories He Himself never thought of…. When Jesus died, his mission died with him Then He resurrected, but not His mission.
The Angel Gabriel was sent to Mary in the form of a man, with glad tidings of a child who was to be born miraculously without a father. “Then We sent to her Our spirit (angel Gabriel), and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects. She said: ‘Surely I seek refuge from you with the Most Beneficent (God) if you do fear God.’ He said: ‘I am only a messenger of your Lord: to announce to you the gift of a righteous son.’ She said: ‘How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?’ He said, ‘Thus [it will be]’. Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.’” Qur’an 19:17-21 Some claim that his miraculous birth is evidence of Jesus’ divinity. However, Jesus was not the first to come into existence without a father, as Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) before him had neither a father nor mother. God says: “The likeness of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’, and he was. This is the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputes.” Qur’an 3:59-60 Surely, if Jesus is worshipped due to having no father, Adam is more deserving of worship since he was created without either parent.________________________________
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Jesus did not like women. In Luke 23 verse 29 on the way to the cross, he blurted out "For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck" Why pick on women? In Luke 14 verse 26, Jesus tells men to hate their wives if they want to be his disciples, and therefore get to heaven.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
@@Gamefan86 I think that's a very ad hoc explanation. Three is a common number in anything mystical, is it because of the sun or is it because three is used for something else. The kind of myth you're taking about is going to have to be so old that any relevance will be lost to time.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
So the other religions that had resurrections were they not invented either like Osiris, Odin, Krishna, Quetzalcoatl etc. You can understand why religions use this as coming back from the dead does send a message of power. Christianity was lucky as there were a lot of earlier religions and it was able to copy the best bits from them .
Wright ignores the possibility that not just the resurrection but in fact the whole box and dice was made-up. Jesus could be a literary character. Wright claims to be a scholar but his approach is that of an aficionado not a critic. He never seems to touch on Christian origins as an historical question but skilfully skirts around the issue by talking in his quiet and serious tone about peripheral matters.
I guess folk might observe that the last book in the Bible is called "Revelations". This is kind of a blatant clue that the Bible is not an historical account
John 11:25 ESV / 70 helpful votes Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, Luke 24:1-53 ESV / 66 helpful votes But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared. And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they went in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel. And as they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? ... 1 Peter 1:3 ESV / 63 helpful votes Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Romans 10:9 ESV / 47 helpful votes Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 8:11 ESV / 42 helpful votes If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. Acts 17:31 ESV / 35 helpful votes Because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” Romans 6:4 ESV / 31 helpful votes We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Luke 24:36-43 ESV / 27 helpful votes As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. ... 1 Corinthians 15:1-58 ESV / 26 helpful votes Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. ... Romans 14:9 ESV / 24 helpful votes For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 ESV / 20 helpful votes For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. ... 1 Corinthians 15:20 ESV / 18 helpful votes But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. Romans 8:34 ESV / 16 helpful votes Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Luke 24:13-35 ESV / 15 helpful votes That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. ... 1 John 3:2 ESV / 14 helpful votes Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. 1 Corinthians 15:6 ESV / 13 helpful votes Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Romans 1:4 ESV / 13 helpful votes And was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, John 20:1 ESV / 12 helpful votes Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 1 Peter 3:18 ESV / 10 helpful votes For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, Romans 2:6-8 ESV / 10 helpful votes He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. Acts 2:24 ESV / 10 helpful votes God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. John 6:50-71 ESV / 10 helpful votes This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. ... 1 Corinthians 15:12-20 ESV / 9 helpful votes Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. ... 1 Corinthians 6:14 ESV / 9 helpful votes And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 1 Corinthians 15:14 ESV / 8 helpful votes And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. Acts 2:29-31 ESV / 8 helpful votes “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. John 20:19 ESV / 8 helpful votes On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” John 2:19-22 ESV / 8 helpful votes Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken. Mark 16:1-8 ESV / 8 helpful votes When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back-it was very large. And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, dressed in a white robe, and they were alarmed. ... Acts 1:3 ESV / 7 helpful votes He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God. John 20:9 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that he must rise from the dead.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
Why would anyone find these verses convincing? This is like saying Muhammad is a prophet sent by Allah, then using all the verses in the Quran to make that point. That’s simply not a convincing argument to those of us to don’t care what the Bible or the Quran have to say.
do you believe a man can be spiritual? in order to be spiritual you have to be Holy. the purpose of the ten commandments was to make a human HOLY. obey the Ten Commandments to become holy then you can be SPIRITUAL. in order to be spiritual we require the 'Holy Spirit'. take Steven Seagal. he believes he is spiritual. he meditates and studies zen for decades. can Steven obey the 'simple' Ten Commandments that every atheists mocks. like MASTERING martial arts, you have to master your spiritual side. mediation doe snot master it. you have to master IT before you accomplish it. Steven is disciplined in bodily movement to perform martial arts .but he has no TRUE spirituality.
@@gjeacocke I would refer you to Galatians chapter 5. It isn't by following the Mosaic Law that we are saved or become holy, but we are saved through our faith in Christ Jesus. Of course, following the commandments Jesus gave is a good thing to do for all Christians, but that isn't how you become holy, see Ephesians 2:8-9. The important verse I like to keep in mind is Romans 10:9, "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
"This story must be true because they made up MORE things about their messiah being magic than the others thought to about theirs." All this proves is that conmen who do more legwork often get better results, not that it isn't a con.
Who are these conmen you speak of? Jesus disciples were ordinary men, not scholars. At least four were fishermen, Matthew was a tax collector. Luke who wrote Luke's gospel was a doctor. Paul had been a Pharisee who persecuted the early church. If these people who were all involved in some way with Jesus were conmen, why were they all martyred for their faith? Not one of them ever recanted. They said that they'd saw the risen Christ and each one died believing that. Would you die for a lie? Had the early Christians wanted to authenticate lies they would have done things differently. Firstly they'd have taken Mary Magdalene out of the story as the first to see the risen Christ. Women had a lowly place in 1st century Judaism and her witness would not have been believed. They'd have used people of standing like religious leaders to say Christ was seen alive instead of lowly fishermen and hated tax collectors. They didn't. The gospels are what they are and 2000 years later the gospel has reached every nation and people as Jesus requested prior to his ascension. No deception was used nor was it required.
@@WHU63 Almost all reputable scholarly study of the gospels indicates that they were not written by the people they are named for, so your point is already starting off at a massive deficit. The authors of the gospels are not named, which is one among many reasons why their veracity is called into question. For example the gospel of Luke is originally written somewhere around 80 or 90 CE, well after any supposed disciples would be long dead. Like most of the gospels it tells its own, mutually exclusive version of the story as well, purporting to be the actual version, mixing and matching various pieces from other gospels to suit the author's preferred version. That it and all the other gospels have been altered, redacted, edited, mistranslated, miscopied, added-to either singularly or as the collated collection in the Bible means that whatever version of it you believe in likely resembles very little of what was originally made. You have utterly no idea what Jesus requested, it's extremely unlikely that the stories told are of his words, given they were written decades after the fact. That the gospels are also contradictory of each other in many places, outright falsify or get wrong elements of history from the time they're written about and make mention of unverifiable fantasy stories are all solid indications that yes, the entire account is a combination of fiction, con and nonsense. That gullible people still believe it 2000 years later is truly an indictment against the ability of generations of humanity to claim a firm grasp on reality. The conmen I speak of are the unnamed authors of the gospels who wrote the fiction to begin with, the people who built the churches that preach the fiction and the suffering and setbacks to humanity those churches have caused and continue to do so, and the modern people who still push their poison on the gullible and the vulnerable. The gospels are indeed what they are - blatant deception.
@@marcusrockstrom7785 Luke wrote a gospel and the Acts of the apostles. In Acts he notes the martyrdom of Stephen AD 34, and James brother of John AD 44. He doesn't mention the death of James brother of Jesus AD 62 nor Peter and Paul in the mid 60s AD. Nor does he mention the destruction of the temple in AD 70. These were significant events to leave out given that Luke lived to AD 84. It's likely therefore that Acts was penned prior to AD 62. We also know that Luke wrote his gospel account prior to Acts because he mentions it in Acts. Mark and Matthew predate Luke. John Mark who wrote the gospel of Mark is mentioned in Acts. Papias one of the early church fathers alluded to Mark writing down the experiences of Peter. He also mentioned Matthew writing a more comprehensive gospel. John unlike the other apostles wasn't martyred. He lived until 100 AD and died aged 94. His gospel is much more theological than the others. John was referred to as the disciple whom Jesus loved. In John 21:20 reference is made to this. In John 21:24 it says.. This is the disciple who testified to these things and wrote these things and we know that his testimony is true.... So John is saying that these are his words. Paul died in the mid 60s and his letters date mostly to the 50s. So we do know who wrote the gospels and letters and the earliest church Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch AD 35-117, Polycarp 69-155, Clement of Rome 35-99 all used the gospels and letters in their own writings. In fact there are still in existence 24,000 ancient copies and fragments of the gospels in eleven languages. They are the best preserved ancient documents. Given that Jesus died around 30AD, the gospel accounts and letters mostly date to within 30 years of his death. John is later because he lived longer. Many people jump to Bart Ehrman the once Christian, now agnostic writer. But unlike many who dismiss Jesus life and works Ehrman believes that Jesus existed, that he was a notable teacher, and that he was crucified. He doesn't accept who Jesus was but admits that other events are beyond question.
@@WHU63 No, he really didn't. Again, Luke was written anonymously. I'm not sure why you jumped to Ehrman to support your claims, he's also one of the scholars that notes the gospels are anonymously written and not named after their authors. For them to even be in the running they'd have had to lived well beyond the life-expectancy of the era just to begin with (extremely unlikely given their backgrounds) - not to mention, as Ehrman notes, some of them like John are originally written in languages the authors couldn't have known like Greek. Very few people still believe the gospels were written by contemporary disciples of Jesus since it doesn't reflect reality. That is a child's view of events and it is frankly embarrassing for you that you hold to it. There are far too many elements indicating that their authorship is anonymous. Including your own point turning in on itself since yes there are lots of fragments of gospels from over centuries and decades - most of which have vast differences between their content - even ones of the same books contradict themselves despite being dated to being within a few years of each other. In other words - there is extensive evidence of the deception in progress. The truth is that the versions of the gospels seen today are completely diluted, altered and edited versions from the originals (both deliberately and accidentally), plus with the actual verifiable history they get wrong in their content, and the self-contradictions, the contradictions across the gospels, that several gospels were deliberately redacted entirely from the Bible, etc. - the gospels themselves are not reliable sources of events. Even putting aside the extensive evidence that the entire work is a fictionalised version of events surrounding an apocalyptic preacher who lived around 30CE, there remains zero evidence that any of the fantastical claims made in any versions of the contradictory nonsense have any truth behind them. It is a con, and I'm not buying into it, but you may continue to delude yourself at your leisure. Please take your babbling elsewhere.
@@marcusrockstrom7785 No need to take things personally Marcus. You Tube is an opinions forum. Aramaic was the spoken language in 1st century Judea. The scholarly language was Koine Greek. Alexander the Great conquered much of the area in the 4th century BC and even in Roman times it was common in the Mediterranean. Luke being a doctor and Matthew would have been acquainted with it. Peter used John Mark as a scribe and John may have also used scribes. As the early church spread it moved into present day Turkey and Greece where Koine would have been common. Whatever you think of Jesus Christ one thing is certain. Born in poverty, died in agony and humiliation. Yet two millennia later 2.2 billion people in their own ways believe in him, and 1.8 billion Muslims call him a prophet. Not bad for a carpenter who lived to the age of 33.
Comments are all professional scholars that bring in so much of critical thinking into the case lol all of history is done for if this is the case haha.
OH I see, so you are saying, there's never been deluded cultists, who are so deluded, they are willing to suffer for a bullcrap belief, that they are so deluded with. got it.
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Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@derekallen4568: that is if someone from the seventh century was able to make a hologram. It has also been shown the part tested for radio carbon dating had been repaired in the Middle Ages.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
This is a bad argument. Because it would make zero sense fir someone to come to the conclusion that the biblical account of christ is true, but then remain a non-chirsitian. Ofcourse anyone who believes that chirst rose from the dead will be a Christian.
My man lives in a library
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
All the more reason to trust him. Unlike Gamefan86, who gets his info from social media conspiracy pages and doesn't realize every single thing he said has been thoroughly debunked. Gamefan also fails to realize that differences matter much more than similarities. 🤷♂️
@@Gamefan86 Nice copy paste, bro. Lol.
He is a library
@@Gamefan86 Yeah ok. We all know this is just conjecture. Stop trying to fool people, April 1st only occurs once a year 😒
Faith in God is all I have left. Faith! I’m keeping faith even though it is difficult at this time. I’m so ashamed and embarrassed over my situation. I lost my job as a social worker because I declined the vaccine. I declined due to my pre existing health condition (Lupus) and heart disease. I’m on a bunch of medications including blood thinners. I was denied my medical/religious exemption from Forsyth hospital. I fell like every month me and the boys are facing homelessness. Every month is a struggle. I can’t be on the streets with two young children. I’m so depressed. My husband passed away three years ago in a car accident. I miss him dearly. I’m still coping with his death. I’m a single mother with two sons both are autistic, and non verbal. I am so overwhelmed at this point in time, it’s so hard on me. I am all alone no family nor friends to help me durning my time of need. But it’s my faith in God that will carry me through. Please keep me and my children in your prayers thank you. God bless.
Pray for you? Millions pray for starving children in Africa. Devout people of faith pray and weep with despair and what does God do? Nothing. He watches as his faithful believers die. Prayers are useless and while I am sorry for you in your situation, God is not going to intervene and help you. Seek practical solutions, not miracles.
This wouldn’t be a $- making post would it? you’re laying it on pretty thick.
Your rheumatologist would have recommended you absolutely should have had the vaccines and boosters. (RN in a rheumatology clinic)
Considering there has thought to have been, rarely, an issue with blood clots and the vaccine ( not sure where the research sits on this now) it’s a ‘bonus’ that you’re on an anticoagulant.
Don’t waste your time praying to god, hit the pavement running.
I expect you prayed to god to help you make a decision. Since he is omniscient, he would have known that advising you to refuse the vaccine would cause chaos and suffering.
God seems to specialize in suffering.
I’ll pray for you. Your not alone and your faith is a gift.
Wow... either you've got many different TH-cam accounts or there's many other persons with your exact same story. This story had been copied/ pasted into several different comment sections by several different commentors.
What's your end game by posting this comment?
Taking everything you said about your situation at face value, your god is a dick (I mean he's given you Lupus, heart disease, two non-verbal autistic children, not to mention killing your husband). Forget pity and prayers and start making better decisions for the sake of your children and yourself. Bite the bullet, get the vaccine and then get your social service job back. Don't rely on faith, that's just wishful thinking.
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” - Ephesians 2: 8-9
...yeah? It's not true. Not validated with a fact.
@@HegelsOwl noticed how I merely quoted scripture
@Found Sheep Works every time, uh? Nott for validity.
@@HegelsOwl if you want to be on the wrong side of scripture, then you’re on the wrong side of Christ
No one rejects Christ. What is rejected is succumbing to one's depravity, to think one is entitled to possess everything, some day. Isn't this depravity what you fear to lose if Atheism is right? Can you be at least honest enough to admit this?
I think that saying “Jesus has risen” was a great way to get the authorities to go after you and your loved ones. What an amazing way to go about it, right? “Let me say what I know to be a lie and put my whole family at risk.” What a great explanation. NOT! The explanation for the spread of the gospel in its beginning seems so simple that we (who love to over complicate all things in life) will easily overlook what is in front of our very eyes.
People have died for incorrect beliefs throughout history. Especially considering the Christian martyrdom complex that is literally baked into the gospels, why wouldn't they want to die? Just refer to the Jonestown massacre for evidence that such things can and do happen. You are ignoring the power of cult indoctrination if you think such things cannot happen; it's all quite well-documented.
@@WaterCat5 well said. Even though I never said those things never happen, I respectfully disagree. What I am saying is that you and I would not give up the freedom that we and our loved ones enjoy for something that we clearly understand to be a lie. People in cults clearly believe in something (even if it’s clearly a lie). The question here is, why would a movement such as this (Christianity) flourish after the death of its leader instead of withering away like those before it? It does not make sense if we compare it to the outcome of movements preceding it.
@@Abiwrl Is it not too far a stretch to say it was simply a well-executed cult that was not too extreme for most people? It had the benefit of deriving from an already established tradition, which landed it more credence. Then when the Roman empire picked it up, it became entrenched and probably mellowed out. While the Christiand martyrdom does include death, it also includes everyday suffering, so people can fulfill their persecution with other things.
People have died for being pagan, therefore paganism is real and every tree is a god.
If you don't agree with that then you've not really got an argument.
@@iseriver3982 Wrong. It’s a completely different argument in regards to Christianity. These people who died for being Christians weren’t just receiving the information about what happened with the resurrection thousands of years later like we are. These were eyewitnesses who lived in the same time Jesus did. Yet; they refused to deny Jesus even if it cost them their lives. In contrast, pagans and or religious people of other faiths than Christianity have died for their beliefs, BUT they did not die for a belief that relied on something they were EYEWITNESSES to. That’s the difference. It’s a lot easier to die for something you didn’t witness (or ask someone who did witness it about) than it is to die for something that you know for a fact is a lie. If Jesus’ followers knew it was a lie and he never came back to life, why would they all agree to die for it? Certainly they had nothing to gain because both the Romans and their own people (the Jews) didn’t like Jesus and what he taught.
This is such a good point - the disciples were looking for a Messianic figure to restore Israel. When that didn't happen, ending in Jesus' death, the natural thing would be to just jettison the whole movement. Instead, they are completely taken off guard by the resurrection of Jesus.
Jesus was not resurrected he returned unto God immediately after death on the cross
@@gustavmahler1466 You can make that claim but you'll have to ignore all the historical evidence to the contrary.
@@shostycellist the dead are not held in the grave Ecclesiastes 12:7
@@gustavmahler1466 OK, so, what is the issue, Spider? How would a resurrection, not only of Jesus, but of everyone at the final judgement, be nullified by this verse? How long is"held"?
@@shostycellist the dead were never held they immediately return unto God
The messianic movements behind Menachem Mendel Schneerson and Sabbatai Zevi lasted well beyond their respective death and conversion to Islam. This is the power of the backfire effect, and this is probably what happened to at least Peter. The fact that this particular belief happened to take off many hundreds of years later simply shows that it was appealing to a general audience, no doubt intentionally engineered that way by Paul, who argued that non-Jews could join without needing to be circumcised or keep kosher.
Sabbatai Zvi still has followers today! Some people can believe anything!
I don’t think you’re right that it took off hundreds of years later. And, if we accept Mark as a reasonably trustworthy early source, Jesus was already starting to reject the Law in favour of his own theories.
@@davethebrahman9870 Mark is not a reasonably trustworthy early source. Written by some Greek guy, decades and decades after Jesus, a thousand miles away.
@@ryeclansen7371 We don’t know precisely where or when it was written, but the author was probably a native Aramaic speaker, his Jesus fits well into first century Palestine, and internal evidence suggests a date pre-70.
And how did Paul, a Pharisee of the Pharisees, who hunted and persecuted Christians, come to believe in Jesus?
Come? Repent to Holy Bible Rev.22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, LORD JESUS. THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS be with God's people.Amen." Prays Jesus Christ?
I have not heard a skeptic such as Dr. Bart Erhman or even Paulogia ever say that the resurrection was invented. Rather they say it is legendary. There are other legends that have been created in other faiths.
Just because a legend is completely new does not mean it is not myth.
FYI I am a Christian. We can counter the legendary argument as Christians without answering a question that skeptics seldom ask except for Mythicists.
I loved Dr. Dale C. Allison's book as he is honest about the challenges we Christians face. I think he is Intellectually honest and books like his is one reason i have remained a Christian. it is alright to say the resurrection part is faith and we don't have historical proof of that or we can't reasonably prove that. That would be not losing. That would be Intellectual humility.
Wright is so frequently deceptive in this manner that I fear for his honestly. Surely he can see that he is tilting at a straw man?
I am an ExMuslim Atheist, and I totally respect what you said here. I wish all Christians could say the same as you.
I sometimes see Atheists in the comment section pretending to be Christians. They always mention Paulogia or Ehrman, which is the first giveaway. Then you go to their channels, and you see that it's filled with content from Atheist channels.
@@mikewesselhoff439 looking at atheist channels does not make one non Christian. It may mean someone is deconstructing and that is alright. Also questioning in Christianity is okay. Thomas doubted Jesus until he touched his wounds. Jesus was not offended at all that he was questioning his resurrection and neither should you.
@@mikewesselhoff439 Why aren’t you more concerned by Wright’s deceptive presentation?
That is definitely the best library I’ve ever seen looking at the books behind these scholars! Tom Holland comes a close second. 😊😀
I don’t like seeing the Loebs that high up.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
Bro, these arguments are so tired. Put them to bed. They have been addressed a thousand times before. It’s garbage.
@@kalobadams7803 Correct. The arguments against Christianity do not rely on these anhistorical analogues, although no doubt they contributed to certain aspects of Christian theology.
Why would anyone think the disciples thought Jesus was risen? And who knows what Jesus was teaching before his execution?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
@@Gamefan86 don't know what you're smoking but I need some
@@Gamefan86 son and sun only works in English not in Greek
@@Gamefan86 LMAO 🤣🤣
@@Gamefan86 Biggest piece of garbage I've ever read. Might as well say Joe Biden is lucid.
The claim regarding all the new things written about resurrected Jesus after the fact, falls kind of flat for me. Look at modern myths like Superman, zombies, etc. They were all much more limited in their abilities in the beginning, but as more people brought more creativity to the matter, abilities and characteristics start to evolve. And in some instances one modern myth spurs the development of another that is similar but has striking differences such that it needs to become its own thing/entity.
This is also what seems to have happened with the evolution of Judaism from the other religions of that area around the same time. Take a little of this one, a little of that one, and over time devlop it into a separate and cohesive narrative. Which would mean that there is pre-messianic precedent for what Mr. Wright is denying in order to prove the resurrection.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
Yes, NT Write like most other New Testament scholars dismisses almost everything in the gospels as Myth but holds on to the resurrection The Nicene Creed "and was made man; and was crucified, suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, belief
@@Gamefan86 Jesus was not waiting to be resurrected he immediately returned unto God
@@gustavmahler1466 citation/s?
@@Futt.Buckerson the dead are not held in the grave Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV the dead immediately return unto God
How does Prof. Wright explains that the earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses of the gospel according to Mark, the first written, do not have verses 9-20 of the last chapter. It originally ended like this: "Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid." Not a word about the disciples meeting Jesus after his dead.
I find it hard to believe that 12 apostles who never waivered in their testimonials that Jesus had been raised from the dead , would lie or even make up this . They were stoned and imprisoned for their accounts and if there were any doubt in their minds about the resurrection, there is no way they would have endured all that...... In comparison as far as lies go look at Watergate the people involved with Watergate were powerful individuals and none of them could keep a lie
well, there were 14 disciples named in the New Testament ... and quite a few more Apostles, eg, they include Paul. One disciple who John does not give a name but calls the "disciple whom Jesus loved" is described as immortal. So I guess we could just ask that Disciple. There is next to nothing about what the other disciples did in the NT. One is only referred to as Judas not Iscariot to distinguish him for the traitor. In Arminian Church history Bartholomew and Thaddeus are said to have founded the first church. But this is disputed by Latin and Lutheran churches ... we might observe that there is little the churches agree on.
OH I see, so you are saying, there's never been deluded cultists, who are so deluded, they are willing to suffer for a bullcrap belief, that they are so deluded with. got it.
How do we know there were twelve apostles? Do we have any historical accounts that they stoned and imprisoned? These are just later legends.
@@ryeclansen7371 There are NO known firsthand, or even secondhand, reports of any apostle dying SPECFICALLY FOR the belief of Jesus literally, bodily, rising from the grave. Christian apologists NEVER squarely face that. They always find a way to weasel around it, or to smuggle it in to some other general belief about the stories. And even if they did die for that specific belief, so what ? Other cult nuts die for bullcrap, doesn't mean that bullcrap is therefore true. Christian apologists tend to be dishonest.
The book of Acts is mostly legendary and written in order to answer the question of what happened to the other Apostles.
Thus they (almost) all die horrible martyrs' deaths because it's more convincing to potential converts.
Myself I suspect a good number of Jesus's followers went back to their old lives, while a small core group convinced themselves that Jesus was still alive in some sense, and his promise of a Kingdom of God in Judea in his followers' lifetimes, was still intact.
The difference between Christianity and other messianic movements of the time appears to be Paul. Without Paul there would have been no Christianity. Paul was able to bring his ideas out of the small circle of Jews into the larger world. My guess is Christianity was offering some new ideas that other religions weren't providing at the time. Gathering together in close communities, the idea that your life struggles would be rewarded, women allowed to join, etc.
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Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
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There are several incidences where Jesus contradicts Christianity. Here is one. Was the Crucifixion a sin, or not?
According to Jesus, it was. In Luke 23 verse 34 we have Then said Jesus," Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. " So, those, responsible for crucifying Jesus, were committing a sin, requiring God's forgiveness. But Christianity says the Crucifixion was necessary to " Cleanse humanity of its sins", so those responsible for the Crucifixion were not committing a sin, and therefore did not need God's forgiveness.
Isn't Jesus committing suicide by Romans a sin in itself?
Just a reminder that this kind of strange argumentation is only convincing to people who already believe. To those of us who don’t, it just seems like an elaborate exercise in confirmation bias.
Side note, Jesus wasn’t the only one raised, read Matthew’s account of the resurrection.
I totally agree. Also NT Wright is answering a question that many people don't ask. Many people don't say the story of Jesus's resurrection is an invention rather it is legendary.
Dr. Dale C Allison is great at making this point and he is a Christian.
Intellectual honesty is a big issue in apologetics.
Yes it is confirmation bias indeed
Exactly. The graves of Jerusalem were opened and all the dead walked the city. Strange that this important piece of "history" has never been written about by anyone else. I mean it's the ABSOLUTE TRUTH isn't it coming from the holy scripture??
Maybe you're not aware of it, and maybe you don't like it, but plenty of reasonable and thoughtful people have converted to Christianity after carefully considering the arguments for the resurrection.
@@mikewesselhoff439 I have seen the opposite in my view so I guess we have different experiences. I was one who almost left Christianity because of these resurrection arguments from apologists as when I looked at the data it was flimsy at best. I have a some friends who are still skeptical because of this. One lady i know even used strong words that they lied. Off course i don't believe apologists set out to lie, but I can understand why she said that.
I was grateful to Dr. Dale.C Allison and Christopher Stanley who are Christians but just honest about what we can prove and what we cannot.
I think there is this misconception by many apologists that not proving something historically or Scientifically means that it is false. But as we know things we think are historically accurate today may prove false in the future and there are many things that can't be proven to be Scientifically or historical factual that are nevertheless true.
I have faith that the apostles and disciples were telling the truth that Jesus rose from the dead through oral tradition. Can it be objectively proven Scientifically or historically? Nope.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Two days of Bank Holidays to celebrate the Death and Resurrection of Jesus. I suggest another two days to celebrate the death and resurrection of Lazarus, another two to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jairus' daughter, and a host of others, to celebrate the saints who jumped out of their graves after the "Resurrection" Matthew 27 verse 52. Mind you, there are only three hundred and sixty five days in the year.
I can't believe this guy thinking that resurrection was so unprecedented that it wouldn't occur to the disciples. It was not unusual for people to come back to life because the moment of death was hard to estimate. This has been going on forever. Didn't they use to put a bell in the grave in case someone woke up again after the funeral? So a resurrection was not a weird idea at all.
not when you're literally crucified, beaten, stabbed in the HEART by a Roman solider, etc. That would have been a bigger miracle than him being resurrected.
Where is this from?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
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Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Let's settle the argument forever! Ask Jesus to come back! After all that can't be too difficult because he is resurrected so he is still alive and he probably lives somewhere on a planet in another galaxy. And ask him to perform his imaginary "miracles" in a lab under scientifically controled circumstances!
He doesn’t live on another planet, he transcends space-time.
Also, check out Eucharistic miracles, which have been rigorously scrutinized in labs. Scientists can’t explain the phenomena they have witnessed.
Lastly, he will come back, as he promised to do.
@luxdei7186 Jesus is supposed to be BODILY resurrected, not spiritually, so where did his body go? And what does that even mean to "exist" "out of space and out of time"? Something can not exist for zero seconds because then it does not exist. And neither can something exist for eternity "out of time" because eternity IS an indication of time! And neither can something exist "out of space" because something that exists takes space itself! It is an absurd, completely abstract, and contradictionary concept! And NOT ONE SINGLE "Eucharistic miracle" has been observed in the world, let alone in a lab!
And give me a sign when Jesus is coming back! Because christians have been waiting for that to happen for more than 2000 years!
Anyway, science and especially evolution have already debunked the crux of christianity and the crux of all the other religions I know of AGES ago! And there is not a shred of evidence for the existence of ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator!
NT Wright did not make a coherent argument here. He needs to actually explain the context of what resurrection would have meant to 1st century Jews because as of now he is just asserting brute facts without any backing.
this is a 3 minute clip. If you want more of his research and context, read his book.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 No I'm pretty sure it was clam worship. The gospels alluded to this relationship with the parable of the 'pearl of great price.' He hung out with fishermen. He also walked on the sea, where clams live. Clam, not sun.
@@christiang4497 his books don't have any more than can be said in 3 minutes ... well as far as evidence goes.
Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son and thou shalt call his name Jesus for he shall save his people from their sins: Question Please tell me who is his people?
Interesting. Only problem is that a dead person never comes to life again.
To the atheists making comments on this video. A day of reckoning is coming soon. Ignore this at your peril. Maranatha.
A day of reckoning? What will that involve? People being tortured for eternity because they couldn't bring themselves to believe a prosperous story with zero supporting evidence. Now that's what I call justice.
@@grahamblack1961 The Bible (including the New Testament) is full of people, places, events and predictions that have been proven factual. Skeptics and pundits have been trying to disprove anything in it for thousands of years and all have failed. No other document comes close. Atheists choose to believe that “nothing” exploded and created this vast amazing infinitely complex fine tuned cosmos and that DNA was created when lightning struck a primordial slime rock. And that there are more than two genders. Silly. There is infinitely more proof if you are truly searching for the truth. Start by reading “Evidence That Demands A Verdict” by Josh McDowell. Earthquakes. Wars. Plagues. Lawlessness. Divorce. Child sacrifice to the god of self convenience. Israel back in the land after 2000 years and surrounded by enemies. Cartels controlling our southern border. Corruption. Rampant crime. Worldwide celebration of perversity. Removal of God’s word from education business society and government. Political and bureaucratic nepotism and exploitation. Democrat politicians stoking division in order to get and/or keep power. Media in collaboration with corrupt bureaucrats. Much like we are in the days of Noah. A day of reckoning is coming.
It seems you’ve made your choice. I hope not. I’m not here to argue. I wish you well. Maranatha.
The disciples didn't leave any written records, what we have are stories made up much later.
Matthew, an eye witness. Mark, an eye witness. John, an eye witness. Luke, who interviewed and compiled his gospel and Acts based on interviews with the last of the eye witnesses.
@@mitchelldenny1966 You're a proficient liar. None of that is true though.
@@mitchelldenny1966 Mark was not even an eyewitness. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are not believed by most scholars to have written the Gospels to whom they were later attributed.
If we were saved at the Cross why bother with the resurrection?
Because it was when Jesus was raised as our judge we may be forgiven past sins if we repent. The Cross is a 'Myth in so-called Christianity'.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 Or all the mythological stories prophesy Jesus.
Myths are sometimes stories retold, and is your presentation a re-hash of the original.
All of the traditions in the Mosaic temple polity are a type and shadow of Jesus. Jesus being the sacrifice, the Temple, the high priest and the Mercy Seat.
What I am saying to you is "are those signs of his coming?".
His coming was written in the stars, and all stories and people are symbolic, so the things you provide only enhance his coming as the Messiah.
I would love you to view at least one of my Ytube videos on Myths in so-called Christianity, I have #1 - #10 in my full name Simon John Skinner. Maybe we are on the same page.
@@DonutDumpster Off the top of my head, if he was not raised your faith is in vain.
The Cross was God's sacrifice to the world, and for his pains Jesus inherited the church, the Cross is involved in many myths that need examination. I hope you watch my videos as the technicalities blow away the myths, and the gospel of God is in Ezekiel 33:11-16, and expounded on by Paul in the gospel of salvation (Romans).
These was a intresting Argument.
Because I guess it is true.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86
If These is true 90% of the Bible (old and New Testament) doesn't make any sense.
Most Importly, for Jews Sun Worship is purley idolatry and one of the worst sin of all.
Why Young devout Jews should create a Sun Mythologie ?
Or why anyone should create a Sun Mythologie in Ancient Israel and not basically in Ancient Egypt ?
Or Peter how can a Man do what just the Sun can do ?
The Gospel defenetley Was written 130 A.D. or earlier...,
Because we can't read anything about Simon bar Kochba his Revolt or the result of the Revolt ...,
Or Tacitus (a fictional Tacitus in the 15th Century does make any sense)
@@thinkingandwondering4725 I would love to see some citations for this post Gamefan has been putting under almost all the comments. But I think his point is that it *was* sun worship, and *then* evolved into Judaism as time went on. I don't entirely buy his theory (lack of references), but I wouldn't be shocked if most ancient religions did start as some form of sun worship.
When there's a choice between believing something unlikely and believing something impossible - I'll stick with unlikely thanks very much.
Nothing is impossible with God.
@@JM-19-86 What like the angel Gabriel dictating the Quran to Muhammad up a mountain?
@@grahamblack1961 According to the story its a cave - not a mountain. And I agree, it's not impossible. No Christian would say that.
@@JM-19-86 Okay a cave, that makes all the difference, I stand corrected. But Mohhamad said Jesus was just a man and wasn't crucified.
@@grahamblack1961 I know, all I'm saying is - we don't reject miracles as impossible. We look at the evidence on a case-by-case basis and decide.
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This is all disingenuous assumption. Unless and until you can prove with evidence that any of the events in the NT are true, you are being dishonest in asserting their veracity. I assert that just like any other religious belief, or the purported miracles of any other god or religious figure, it is all mythological. There is absolutely no good reason to unquestioningly believe the stories of Jesus and not believe what is written about the Buddha or the Hindu gods. Are the stories about the Buddha and Mohammed true? If one is obliged to accept Jesus’ miracles as true, then why is one not similarly obliged in the case of the Buddha and Mohammed? Conversely, if untrue stories about the Buddha and Mohammed could arise without factual basis, then why couldn’t untrue stories about Jesus arise in the same manner?
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Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
The corpse of Jesus was dematerialised to prevent it being used as a relic of reverence - a wise move when one sees how the later established church dealt with old bones of so-called martyrs.
"The Dead" had nothing to do with mortal death but refers to those who were separated from God as apostates. Jesus was the first spiritual being to enter the region of Hell and tackle Lucifer at his own game while remaining faithful to God. The resurrection of Jesus was a spiritual event following 40 days teaching His disciples about everything that had been achieved through His mission of redemption. He was a spirit materialising and dematerialising at will as it suited His purpose. Angels, archangels, and ever Christ Himself had appeared to humans in this manner throughout Jewish history - taking on a temporary physical body in order to speak and eat with those fortunate enough to receive such a visitation. Abraham and Sarah experienced such a visit by Christ and His two companions.
It is more difficult to make a clay figure and give it breath of life, than to resurrect a corpse that has not yet decomposed. But for the hands of God nothing is difficult.
If god made man out of clay you would expect that he would have made him a little different from the rest of the animals. Yet we have the same kind of body - a vertebrae, four limbs, heart, lungs and nerve cells, etc. Everything works in the same way. I knew a lady who was doing research on the human digestive system. What did she use? Earthworms. The simplest kind of digestive tract. You're not much different from an earthworm. You ingest and digest basically the same thing, other organic matter. What gives an earthworm indigestion gives you indigestion.
@@ryeclansen7371 The subject is the resurrection of the Son of God, not the functioning of living organisms. What I am saying is that a corpse can be resurrected, because death is only physical, not spiritual. But when a human body is resurrected they are either collected from the elements of the earth (what we call mud), or from a corpse. In the case of Christ, the resurrection took place from a corpse, or the same with Lazarus. In other cases, when the body rots totally or partially, the elements are retaken and what is weak or corruptible becomes incorruptible. The point I want to get to metaphorically is that dead human bodies are like cars without gasoline, but when you fill the tank with gasoline, with what we call the breath of life, or spirit, that vehicle comes back to life.
No one said they did. They just weren’t very smart. And they were on a good thing financially. By the way, where is there the slightest evidence that the disciples were ‘Pharasaic Jews’?
You have got to be the most ignorant person in history if you really think they made this story up for financial gains. Also, NT Wright didn't say that the disciples were Pharisaic jews. Did you even listen to what he said?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86Not good analogues. The Jesus of the gospels is not born in December (the shepherds in Matthew are in the fields at night). No one in antiquity thought that the sun was born of a virgin, and in any case the astrological matters you mention relate to the classical Greek and Roman system; the Jesus stories, true or not, arose among Jews, and in the two earliest gospels (Matthew and Luke) Jesus is concerned exclusively with Jewish questions.
So because of Jesus : John5-28-29,Matthew 12:36-37,Matthew12:42,
1Corinthians6:1-8, Revelation20:12-13 "each person". 100 billion people and babies and children will be raised and give an account? Then what? Not going to happen
Brilliant explanation
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
@@Gamefan86 ummm....nope. It didn't. Christianity is rooted in human beings sinfulness (which is self-evident) and God not wanting us to stay that way.
Isn’t an invented legend always a more likely explanation than someone actually coming back from the dead?
Of course, but people hear what they want.
Generally, yes, of course. But an invented legend cannot account for all of the the historical facts surrounding this event.
His point is that the trends of a false messiah are completely contradictory to the trends of Jesus as the messiah. Also, "invented" indicates a complete lack of understanding of the historicity of Jesus. you have a big problem when the worlds leading historians have no doubts he existed.
@@christiang4497 Which historical facts? I'm not doubting they exist, I'm just curious which ones you're speaking of.
@@Futt.Buckerson There are none.
Even if Jesus’ resurrection were real, it signifies nothing. So, God sacrificed Himself to Himself for some reason? Please
Your comment shows that you have a very poor understanding of Christian theology.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
God is a trinity that consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (Jesus is the son). Jesus died so that we may have a path to salvation through him, he lived a perfect life with no sin and him dying for us was an acceptable sacrifice to God. We are to confess and repent of our sins and put our trust in him because that’s the only way we will be made righteous in front of God (through Jesus). His resurrection was necessary because it proved that he conquered death and whoever believes in him will never perish but have everlasting life.
By this 'they had no reason to make it up' logic, we should believe people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. People who make this claim have brought a whole world of ridicule on to themselves and their families. Is a valid argument to say - I can't imagine what would motivate them to make something like that up therefore it must be true.
The disciples didn't - Paul did, when he saw Satan disguised as an angel of light.
No disciple of Jesus/Yeshua wrote a single word of the NT.
Let me repeat - none of the NT was written by eye witnesses of the zealot who died on a tree, causing God to curse him.
Paul invented the resurrection and atonement, even though YHWH calls human sacrifice an abomination,.
The "Resurrection" of Jesus is gibberish. According to the Gospels, loads of people rose from the dead, long before Jesus. Lazarus and Jairus' daughter for example . In Matthew 10 verse 8, we read that the disciples raised people from the dead. Jesus believed that the dead could rise, pick up shovels and bury dead people, something he unkindly suggested to a grieving son who was about to bury his dead father. After the "Resurrection" according to Matthew 27 verse 52, thousands of the dead were miraculously restored to life and marched into Jerusalem. Do you really believe this nonsense?
OK...everything suggested here is reasonable but it still begs the question. Did a demigod, apparently yhe inseminated product of a God, walk around 2000 years ago in ancient Judea and was subsequently crucified, buried, and resurrected? I'm sorry it's just preposterous! We are all adults in the room right? If not then send the children off to bed before this series of questions. Just how was Mary inseminated? Did God somehow take the form of a human being and 'know' Mary...did he have intercourse? Did the Universe quiver as He had an orgasm? Were any black holes created or other Universes spawned? How long did He retain this form? Or perhaps He just took over Joseph's mind and body? Grow up y'all! It is a myth, a legend, a fanciful story with no more reality than Cinderella or Harry Potter. Sorry to break it to you but if Russia and NATO get into a real war and the USA gets involved it's curtains for us all or nearly all of us. Guess what? The typical logarithmic growth curve assoc with plant growth, population growth, econ growth, and many other phenomenon can be applied to the growth of civilizations. Anyone care to bet that we are not in the tail end of the steady state portion of the graph? We are going down folks! And if you want SIN why botherbwith stupid stuff like infidelity or stealing? HUMAN BEINGS HAVE DESTROYED 3 TRILLION TREES, destroyed countless ecosystems, toxified the waters of this planet, murdered at least 3 million whales, eliminated at least 1000 vertebrate species since your so called demigod walked around and annihilated at least 50% of the natural world. So what "sins" have you or I commited that are even relevant to the mass murder of the biosphere for profit? We all will be judged for destroying the biosphere. This century billions will die of starvation and western civilization will fall into ruins. By the end of this century it will be a miracle if a few million of us are left. Now go pray that we all begin to understand this. Carolus Linnaeus should of named us Homo annihilatus.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
You don't seem to understand that if God doesn't exist it doesn't matter if we destroy the planet. It's all coming to an end anyway. If all human beings disappeared tonight all other organisms would eventually go extinct the sun would burn out etc. Good night.
Not only that but on atheistic evolution views we didn't choose to be here. We're the victims as much as animals even more so. We are the product of millions of years of random genetic variation over which we had no control and no choice. And unlike animals we know we're going to die and we experience far more levels of pain. Tom Wright is correct though ♥️
@@Gamefan86 Very interesting! Thanks for this information. You should think about starting a cult!
Who is God in Islam ?
Muslims believe that God has no partners or associates who share in His divinity or authority and that God is transcendent, unlike His creations, and thus has no physical form. Nor is God believed to exist in (or be represented by) any material object. A number of divine attributes or “names,” which serve to describe God, are found in the Qur’an. Some commonly known attributes include the Most Merciful, the Most Forgiving, the Most High, the Unique, and the Everlasting, among others.______________________________
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
I believe in the resurrection and he did not go up.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 Nah! Is the Sun the living water? Is the Sun the breath of life? Is the Sun the bread of life?
Jesus was the messiah. His mission was to establish the kingdom of God on Israël and Juda.
He had to be the Grand Priest and the King of Israël
He has been killed so He couldn’t finish His mission
But He resurrected…
So He could reanimate his mission… and …. He did nothing
Just leaving the initiative to St Paul who came with theories He Himself never thought of….
When Jesus died, his mission died with him
Then He resurrected, but not His mission.
The Angel Gabriel was sent to Mary in the form of a man, with glad tidings of a child who was to be born miraculously without a father.
“Then We sent to her Our spirit (angel Gabriel), and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects. She said: ‘Surely I seek refuge from you with the Most Beneficent (God) if you do fear God.’ He said: ‘I am only a messenger of your Lord: to announce to you the gift of a righteous son.’ She said: ‘How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?’ He said, ‘Thus [it will be]’. Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.’” Qur’an 19:17-21
Some claim that his miraculous birth is evidence of Jesus’ divinity. However, Jesus was not the first to come into existence without a father, as Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) before him had neither a father nor mother. God says:
“The likeness of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be’, and he was. This is the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputes.” Qur’an 3:59-60
Surely, if Jesus is worshipped due to having no father, Adam is more deserving of worship since he was created without either parent.________________________________
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Because people sincerely believe something doesn’t prove one whit that what they believe happened
There goes the criminal justice system
@@CCiPencil Is what I said correct or not?
@@dallas1891 multiple independent eye witness testimonies are the foundation of many criminal trials.
Jesus did not like women. In Luke 23 verse 29 on the way to the cross, he blurted out "For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck" Why pick on women? In Luke 14 verse 26, Jesus tells men to hate their wives if they want to be his disciples, and therefore get to heaven.
I believe he was referring to the coming Roman seige on Jerusalem in 70 AD. He was foretelling an event, not being a hater.
Ya! 3rd generation atheist.
So it's either magic, which has never happened since jesus died, because you can't believe its an invention.
Isn't that convenient for you.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
@@Gamefan86 I think that's a very ad hoc explanation.
Three is a common number in anything mystical, is it because of the sun or is it because three is used for something else.
The kind of myth you're taking about is going to have to be so old that any relevance will be lost to time.
well someone invented the myth.
Who?
@@Tony-so1zl the earliest christians invented it
God created evil, which makes God capable of evil. Or part evil.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
So the other religions that had resurrections were they not invented either like Osiris, Odin, Krishna, Quetzalcoatl etc. You can understand why religions use this as coming back from the dead does send a message of power. Christianity was lucky as there were a lot of earlier religions and it was able to copy the best bits from them .
Wright ignores the possibility that not just the resurrection but in fact the whole box and dice was made-up. Jesus could be a literary character. Wright claims to be a scholar but his approach is that of an aficionado not a critic. He never seems to touch on Christian origins as an historical question but skilfully skirts around the issue by talking in his quiet and serious tone about peripheral matters.
I guess folk might observe that the last book in the Bible is called "Revelations". This is kind of a blatant clue that the Bible is not an historical account
100 Bible Verses about
Resurrection Of Christ
John 11:25 ESV / 70 helpful votes
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
Luke 24:1-53 ESV / 66 helpful votes
But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices they had prepared. And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they went in they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel. And as they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? ...
1 Peter 1:3 ESV / 63 helpful votes
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Romans 10:9 ESV / 47 helpful votes
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 8:11 ESV / 42 helpful votes
If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Acts 17:31 ESV / 35 helpful votes
Because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
Romans 6:4 ESV / 31 helpful votes
We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
Luke 24:36-43 ESV / 27 helpful votes
As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. ...
1 Corinthians 15:1-58 ESV / 26 helpful votes
Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. ...
Romans 14:9 ESV / 24 helpful votes
For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
1 Corinthians 15:3-8 ESV / 20 helpful votes
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. ...
1 Corinthians 15:20 ESV / 18 helpful votes
But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Romans 8:34 ESV / 16 helpful votes
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.
Luke 24:13-35 ESV / 15 helpful votes
That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem, and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. ...
1 John 3:2 ESV / 14 helpful votes
Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
1 Corinthians 15:6 ESV / 13 helpful votes
Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
Romans 1:4 ESV / 13 helpful votes
And was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,
John 20:1 ESV / 12 helpful votes
Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
1 Peter 3:18 ESV / 10 helpful votes
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
Romans 2:6-8 ESV / 10 helpful votes
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Acts 2:24 ESV / 10 helpful votes
God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
John 6:50-71 ESV / 10 helpful votes
This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. ...
1 Corinthians 15:12-20 ESV / 9 helpful votes
Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. ...
1 Corinthians 6:14 ESV / 9 helpful votes
And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power.
1 Corinthians 15:14 ESV / 8 helpful votes
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
Acts 2:29-31 ESV / 8 helpful votes
“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
John 20:19 ESV / 8 helpful votes
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”
John 2:19-22 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.
Mark 16:1-8 ESV / 8 helpful votes
When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb. And they were saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance of the tomb?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled back-it was very large. And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, dressed in a white robe, and they were alarmed. ...
Acts 1:3 ESV / 7 helpful votes
He presented himself alive to them after his suffering by many proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God.
John 20:9 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
For as yet they did not understand the Scripture, that he must rise from the dead.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. ...
Why would anyone find these verses convincing? This is like saying Muhammad is a prophet sent by Allah, then using all the verses in the Quran to make that point. That’s simply not a convincing argument to those of us to don’t care what the Bible or the Quran have to say.
Is there not a claim that Jesus is of an Egyptian spiritual line rather than a Jewish one.
Jesus did occur just after the Romans took over Egypt.
do you believe a man can be spiritual? in order to be spiritual you have to be Holy. the purpose of the ten commandments was to make a human HOLY. obey the Ten Commandments to become holy then you can be SPIRITUAL. in order to be spiritual we require the 'Holy Spirit'. take Steven Seagal. he believes he is spiritual. he meditates and studies zen for decades. can Steven obey the 'simple' Ten Commandments that every atheists mocks. like MASTERING martial arts, you have to master your spiritual side. mediation doe snot master it. you have to master IT before you accomplish it. Steven is disciplined in bodily movement to perform martial arts .but he has no TRUE spirituality.
Not sure what that even means lol
@@gjeacocke I would refer you to Galatians chapter 5. It isn't by following the Mosaic Law that we are saved or become holy, but we are saved through our faith in Christ Jesus. Of course, following the commandments Jesus gave is a good thing to do for all Christians, but that isn't how you become holy, see Ephesians 2:8-9.
The important verse I like to keep in mind is Romans 10:9, "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
@@Gamefan86 what you are forgetting is to ACCOUNT for the wisdom of what jesus said. you concerned yourself with the red herring.
"This story must be true because they made up MORE things about their messiah being magic than the others thought to about theirs."
All this proves is that conmen who do more legwork often get better results, not that it isn't a con.
Who are these conmen you speak of? Jesus disciples were ordinary men, not scholars. At least four were fishermen, Matthew was a tax collector. Luke who wrote Luke's gospel was a doctor. Paul had been a Pharisee who persecuted the early church. If these people who were all involved in some way with Jesus were conmen, why were they all martyred for their faith? Not one of them ever recanted. They said that they'd saw the risen Christ and each one died believing that. Would you die for a lie? Had the early Christians wanted to authenticate lies they would have done things differently. Firstly they'd have taken Mary Magdalene out of the story as the first to see the risen Christ. Women had a lowly place in 1st century Judaism and her witness would not have been believed. They'd have used people of standing like religious leaders to say Christ was seen alive instead of lowly fishermen and hated tax collectors. They didn't. The gospels are what they are and 2000 years later the gospel has reached every nation and people as Jesus requested prior to his ascension. No deception was used nor was it required.
@@WHU63 Almost all reputable scholarly study of the gospels indicates that they were not written by the people they are named for, so your point is already starting off at a massive deficit.
The authors of the gospels are not named, which is one among many reasons why their veracity is called into question. For example the gospel of Luke is originally written somewhere around 80 or 90 CE, well after any supposed disciples would be long dead. Like most of the gospels it tells its own, mutually exclusive version of the story as well, purporting to be the actual version, mixing and matching various pieces from other gospels to suit the author's preferred version.
That it and all the other gospels have been altered, redacted, edited, mistranslated, miscopied, added-to either singularly or as the collated collection in the Bible means that whatever version of it you believe in likely resembles very little of what was originally made. You have utterly no idea what Jesus requested, it's extremely unlikely that the stories told are of his words, given they were written decades after the fact.
That the gospels are also contradictory of each other in many places, outright falsify or get wrong elements of history from the time they're written about and make mention of unverifiable fantasy stories are all solid indications that yes, the entire account is a combination of fiction, con and nonsense.
That gullible people still believe it 2000 years later is truly an indictment against the ability of generations of humanity to claim a firm grasp on reality.
The conmen I speak of are the unnamed authors of the gospels who wrote the fiction to begin with, the people who built the churches that preach the fiction and the suffering and setbacks to humanity those churches have caused and continue to do so, and the modern people who still push their poison on the gullible and the vulnerable.
The gospels are indeed what they are - blatant deception.
@@marcusrockstrom7785 Luke wrote a gospel and the Acts of the apostles. In Acts he notes the martyrdom of Stephen AD 34, and James brother of John AD 44. He doesn't mention the death of James brother of Jesus AD 62 nor Peter and Paul in the mid 60s AD. Nor does he mention the destruction of the temple in AD 70. These were significant events to leave out given that Luke lived to AD 84. It's likely therefore that Acts was penned prior to AD 62. We also know that Luke wrote his gospel account prior to Acts because he mentions it in Acts.
Mark and Matthew predate Luke. John Mark who wrote the gospel of Mark is mentioned in Acts. Papias one of the early church fathers alluded to Mark writing down the experiences of Peter. He also mentioned Matthew writing a more comprehensive gospel. John unlike the other apostles wasn't martyred. He lived until 100 AD and died aged 94. His gospel is much more theological than the others. John was referred to as the disciple whom Jesus loved. In John 21:20 reference is made to this. In John 21:24 it says.. This is the disciple who testified to these things and wrote these things and we know that his testimony is true.... So John is saying that these are his words.
Paul died in the mid 60s and his letters date mostly to the 50s. So we do know who wrote the gospels and letters and the earliest church Fathers like Ignatius of Antioch AD 35-117, Polycarp 69-155, Clement of Rome 35-99 all used the gospels and letters in their own writings. In fact there are still in existence 24,000 ancient copies and fragments of the gospels in eleven languages. They are the best preserved ancient documents.
Given that Jesus died around 30AD, the gospel accounts and letters mostly date to within 30 years of his death. John is later because he lived longer. Many people jump to Bart Ehrman the once Christian, now agnostic writer. But unlike many who dismiss Jesus life and works Ehrman believes that Jesus existed, that he was a notable teacher, and that he was crucified. He doesn't accept who Jesus was but admits that other events are beyond question.
@@WHU63 No, he really didn't. Again, Luke was written anonymously.
I'm not sure why you jumped to Ehrman to support your claims, he's also one of the scholars that notes the gospels are anonymously written and not named after their authors. For them to even be in the running they'd have had to lived well beyond the life-expectancy of the era just to begin with (extremely unlikely given their backgrounds) - not to mention, as Ehrman notes, some of them like John are originally written in languages the authors couldn't have known like Greek.
Very few people still believe the gospels were written by contemporary disciples of Jesus since it doesn't reflect reality. That is a child's view of events and it is frankly embarrassing for you that you hold to it.
There are far too many elements indicating that their authorship is anonymous. Including your own point turning in on itself since yes there are lots of fragments of gospels from over centuries and decades - most of which have vast differences between their content - even ones of the same books contradict themselves despite being dated to being within a few years of each other.
In other words - there is extensive evidence of the deception in progress.
The truth is that the versions of the gospels seen today are completely diluted, altered and edited versions from the originals (both deliberately and accidentally), plus with the actual verifiable history they get wrong in their content, and the self-contradictions, the contradictions across the gospels, that several gospels were deliberately redacted entirely from the Bible, etc. - the gospels themselves are not reliable sources of events.
Even putting aside the extensive evidence that the entire work is a fictionalised version of events surrounding an apocalyptic preacher who lived around 30CE, there remains zero evidence that any of the fantastical claims made in any versions of the contradictory nonsense have any truth behind them.
It is a con, and I'm not buying into it, but you may continue to delude yourself at your leisure. Please take your babbling elsewhere.
@@marcusrockstrom7785 No need to take things personally Marcus. You Tube is an opinions forum. Aramaic was the spoken language in 1st century Judea. The scholarly language was Koine Greek. Alexander the Great conquered much of the area in the 4th century BC and even in Roman times it was common in the Mediterranean. Luke being a doctor and Matthew would have been acquainted with it. Peter used John Mark as a scribe and John may have also used scribes. As the early church spread it moved into present day Turkey and Greece where Koine would have been common. Whatever you think of Jesus Christ one thing is certain. Born in poverty, died in agony and humiliation. Yet two millennia later 2.2 billion people in their own ways believe in him, and 1.8 billion Muslims call him a prophet. Not bad for a carpenter who lived to the age of 33.
Comments are all professional scholars that bring in so much of critical thinking into the case lol all of history is done for if this is the case haha.
OH I see, so you are saying, there's never been deluded cultists, who are so deluded, they are willing to suffer for a bullcrap belief, that they are so deluded with. got it.
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Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
The shroud of Turin also is a great proof
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
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It's great proof of a 7th century forgery.
@@derekallen4568: that is if someone from the seventh century was able to make a hologram. It has also been shown the part tested for radio carbon dating had been repaired in the Middle Ages.
@@kensmith8152 even the Catholic church doesn't claim it's authentic.
"Jesus resurection wasn't invented" So said every credulous fool throughout history.
Are you saying the resurrection is a hoax?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens...
This is a bad argument. Because it would make zero sense fir someone to come to the conclusion that the biblical account of christ is true, but then remain a non-chirsitian. Ofcourse anyone who believes that chirst rose from the dead will be a Christian.