I appreciate the perspective, I am a Christian not because there is a(could be) a reward, pie in the sky. Rather the ways of Jesus are just the best way to live life, the reasons for the present unhappiness in the world is a lack of connection with the person of Jesus. I appreciate the pointing out the failure of hope, there is another driving factor and this is Love and the resurrection that it brings.
You do know King James had a English version written and it was done by Jews and Greeks neither were Christians. Never in all his days on earth did any of the disciples call him Jesus. What's weird Jesus in Latin is pronounced "Hey Zeus". Did the Greeks get in a jab at King James?
@@JohnSmith-kr6ek Its called transliteration. It happens with all words passed from one dialect to another. Transliteration does not change the *meaning* of the name. Jesus still means "Yah's salvation"
@jeremyprovince4942...I don't know who could agree with your statement about Jesus.His central doctrine was horrible.He told men that he met to desert their wives children and animals and follow him.this cruel command would have left the deserted family heart broken and in a desperate struggle for survival in the harsh desert without the main provider who suddenly left.His reason for this he said was because the world would end during the lifetime of the apostles.He was cruel to demand that from uneducated desert tribesmen and he was wrong because his prophecy failed.Furthermore,Jesus did not mention anything that was not known at that time.He did not know the true age of the earth.he did not know the Americas and South pacific countries existed.He did not know that several other humanoid species that were our relatives but became extinct some 40,000 years ago. He did not tell the men to stop forcing their wives to sleep outside in a shed with the goats during their menstrual cycle. he did not even know enough about medicine to give us a talk on germ theory that would have prevented millions of people from dying from preventable diseases. there were more than 300 self proclaimed messiahs who were crucified by the Romans in that era.there is no reason to suggest that Jesus knew any more or was a better person than any of the others.it is high time we humans grow up and out of this bronze age nonsense.
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 Geez, I hope you don’t think this is how everyone cherry picks twisted interpretations. - jesus gave quite clear and simple teachings on how to live Life better, and ( briefest and clearest) most simply summarized all commandments as “ Love thy neighbor as thyself” - how can we “ find everyone” who translates this in the odd way you present? The related greatest commandment is to love the lord thy God, who is the Word ( Teachings of God) that point the Way, shine the Light, to live a more virtuous Life - which is exactly what Jeremy simply is pointing out. Whether you agree with any religion or not, it’s hard to understand why you see this so negatively. (You are accurate, though: Jesus neglected to tell us “not to run with scissors”)
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 Brother, i can only encourage you to take your time to read and take your time to discover the fundamental messages of Scripture, both the OT and how the NT helps us (or helps me at least) to see the big picture and the complete story. For a large part of my life, i read individual verses out of context. In recent years, i have had to do a lot of unlearning and relearning. That's ok brother, it's part and parcel of life. King Solomon went through that phase too and gave us Ecclesiastes. That book is another good reading. Try it.
What a wonderfully informative exposition from Prof. Wright. I enjoyed this immensely. I have always believed that much of the difficulty surrounding religion and faith stemmed from problems of language and translation as well as culture.
The comments are generally revealing.I find it difficult, however, to believe that any commentators have actually listened carefully to his comments and observations?
I listen to NT Wright a lot, and every time I listen to him, I have to listen to him a lot. But if it's like a curtain then why did the disciples look up as Jesus was leaving.
Jesus is coming in the clouds, every eye will see Him, if He appeared on a street corner, or parking lot, how could every see Him, will everyone be given x-ray vision to see through buildings and structures?
Love listening to NT Wright! Totally agree with him about the problem of premillennial dispensational teaching in the west. I taught it for years until I realized this doctrine just did not add up. But I have also realized that there were many “comings” of Christ. FIRST he came we can all agree in a manger (Luke 2:10-12). But everyone then tends to jump to a physical second coming forgetting the actual SECOND coming via the Spirit (St. John 14:3, 16-18). Then there was a THIRD coming promised by Christ and was fulfilled when he came in judgement as prophecies in Matthew 24:30.
Jesus Never Left! He left His Spirit Here With us..each of us..within us. If we are listening we are Obeying His commandments and Forgiving EveryOne..just as He Did the First time!
My friend if you have no salvation when he comes there’s no second chances, you can’t honestly think your going to be about life unregenerate and at enmity toward God and then Jesus will rock up with the trumpets blasting and you get in a bus to Jerusalem and get it sorted ?? Today is the day of salvation my friend today !! If you are not sorted before you hear that trumpet then you will never be in Gods presence ever, you will be separated from him though. Nt wright is classed by most evangelicals as someone to NOT listen too and is lost on many matters.
Revelation 22 :7, 12, 20 Jesus SAYS "behold, I AM COMING QUICKLY...." Titus 2: 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great GOD and Saviour.. Jesus Christ"
He said not all of you will die before seeing my coming refering to John's vision of revelation. He also said in the time of the end there would be ways rumours of wars famines and earthquakes in various places. I sent think he implied it was soon but the disciples did
@@Bijbelstudies With the Resurrection, he showed he was not a body but spirit. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit
@@robertdouglas8895 Actually He was both. That was the meaning of the incarnation. See 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
@@Bijbelstudies Since we are spirit, not flesh, we are created in the likeness of God. You can pretend you are separate from God if you want, but I don't.
@@Bijbelstudies Not just with us. In us. As us. One. 0 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
As erudite as he is, not every topic is N. T. Wright's strength. As do many replacement theology advocates, he holds forth on eschatology without educating himself on the subject.
Spend your time doing good by helping the less fortunate or praying or asking God for mercy. Nobody knows the time of the next coming of Jesus except God the Father.
Excellent point. We often forget that. That's how it ends for the vast majority of humanity. However, it's not really the end because the soul/spirit has been separated from the body, and the body has to be reunited with the soul/spirit for us to be completely human once again. So there must be a moment when all of us are united with our bodies and face judgment.
so the world didn't exist before you were born? or, if you die as a believer should you're children's fate be sealed at that point, whether they're believers or not? or if the seeds of salvation that u've spread that bring fruit after you die should not longer count towards you're heavenly rewards?
Wow! you even mentioned the very verse that disproves this non traditional view, there is no curtain! They watched him go up in the sky, we weren't making this up.
Jesus returning in the Second Coming, is not the same thing as the Rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. We await both, but we believe that, in all likelihood, if our interpretation of scripture is true, we will be returning with Him. So-called liberal theology allegorizes the Bible into anything they want to make out of it. Our trust toward its spokespeople and it's ways is not great. Wright says many good things, but I would not look to him to explain God to me.
You know, many New Agers and trance channeling fanatics speak of a similar thing occurring in the future. Am 'evacuation' or cleansing of the planet. Ships with space brothers will come and take certain people out of here. They even say that a great 'sound' will circulate the planet at the time! I suspect the Dark side knows about this coming rapture and is preparing accordingly. See 'Bringers of the New Dawn', 'Revelation of things to come' and 'Project Evacuation Earth'. These rapture deniers will collapse on their knees out of shock and terror after it happens. May they wake up soon.
The Second Coming and the gathering of the saints are all part of the same event. Not only was Jesus very clear about this in Matt. 24, Rev. 19 prophesies the same exact thing.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 No, they are 2 different things. The UFO deception is part and parcel of covering up the coming disappearances. That could not happen at the 2nd Coming, only at some time before!
@@theeternalsbeliever1779What does studying the end times without a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week do? How does that effect a person's interpretation? What has happened with Daniel chapter 9? Why is it so important? Well so many scholars have said it was a prophecy for 490 biblical years. And 483 years were fulfilled when Messiah was cutoff in 33 AD. Then later the temple and the city was destroyed in 70 AD. And 7 biblical years are pending for the future of this world and then Daniel 9 24 will be fulfilled. Bible prophecy did not mention things that happened in the church age. The bible clearly hints Daniel 9 27 is future. Rev 11 2 says there will be a future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. Daniel 12 11 says the abomination of desolation will stop the daily sacrifice. 2 Thess 2 says the man of sin will enter the temple of God and demand to be worshiped as God. Rev 13 5-7 says a man will speak blasphemies and from that day have authority to continue 42 months over saints from all nations. Daniel 7 25 says the saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. Matthew 24 15 says the abomination of desolation will trigger the great tribulation that starts the worst time the world will ever see. So if you read Matthew 24 without a clear understanding of Daniel's 70th week, you really say the 2nd coming is the rapture. But with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week, knowing the world is headed for a covenant for 2520 days or 7 biblical years, you run into problems. The abomination of desolation has to happen on day 1261 of the 7 year covenant. And from day 1261, the saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. Day 2520 will be the day of the 2nd coming immediately after the tribulation. The problem with those passages is that scripture cannot be broken. They are saints starting midtrib that start to be martyred on day 1261. And they will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 1260 days. Scripture will not be broken. Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7 will not be broken. There are no saints better than other saints. And there is no rapture on a day that will be known years before the event immediately after the tribulation. The problems come from the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins where no man knows the day or the hour. But the date of the 2nd coming will be known 7 biblical years before the event. If you read 2 Thess 2 and realize the man of sin is revealed in the temple midtrib, then you realize that the day of the Lord as birth pangs starts after that. And great confusion occurs with our gathering. But then with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week again there are problems. The saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. And Daniel 9 24 occurs immediately after the tribulation on the last day. How can our gathering be any day in the 2nd half? So now you know what is restraining all this that is going to come unto the world. Our gathering is restraining all this. Then worldwide apostasy. Then the man of sin will be revealed midtrib.Then some unknown time in the 2nd half the day of the Lord judgments will start on the wicked as birth pangs and the wicked will not escape. These birth pangs will get worse and worse till the last day. But this will not break the Word of God with Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7. The saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. And the last day of the birth pangs immediately after the tribulation will be known 7 biblical years before the event. What happens when a person starts reading the book of Revelation. They see passages and Jesus coming in the clouds and on a horse. But again with a proper study of Daniel's 70th week there are problems. In the 2nd half Rev 13 5-7 occurs and the antichrist will have authority over saints from all nations for 42 months or 1260 days. And there is a trumpet in Matthew 24 27-31 and the angels gather His elect immediately after the tribulation. But this cannot break the Word of God. A person needs to figure out what day of Daniel's 70th week that trumpet will sound. This creates a huge problem. The book of Revelation only gives the antichrist authority to continue 42 months from the day he speaks great blasphemies. And Rev 1 7 says He comes on the clouds and all eyes will see Him. Meaning in Russia and China and Africa and North America and Japan and South America. Now it becomes supernatural when all the world can see the Lord and angels and heaven open. Zech 14 6-9 and Luke 17 23-37 along with Daniel 9 24 says it all ends on that day. All the wicked are destroyed on that day and that makes the bowl judgments supernatural after the entire world sees the Lord.
Jesus will not literally come as humans will never see him again (1 Timothy 6:16). His PRESENCE in Kingdom power was to be signaled by signs. The first was: (Matthew 24:7) “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, Historians call it the Great War and World War 1 (1914-18). That event started the last days for this system of things. The so-called rapture is about the remaining few CHOSEN ones who are still alive being put to death and transformed to spirit form in a blink of an eye. There will also be survivors of the coming war of change who will be the foundation of the New Earth (Revelation 7:9,10,14). (Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it. The chosen few will be co-rulers with Jesus in God's heavenly Government (Revelation 5:9,10). Other righteous humans will live on earth as its subjects. Hope this is helpful.
Why are secular Bible scholars or Theologians always willing to accept the Bible in a metaphorical or allegorical sense, but never literal? The Bible is the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God written for the ages and not a rorschach test looking for hidden messages and meanings. Jesus used relevant stories of the day to relate and teach, but does the Holy Sprit need to do the same?
Its been a very ill minute since I've heard this voice. Ever surprised by Joy, but seldom off the fruit of our loom. Tough time to be be the Clive of ours. Especially after the TKs went home. Stay Mere, brother. I mean that.
PPS, maybe you could convince the head of your order to buy Snowmass? Start a Taize without all that tricky French stuff. In America. In the mid 2020s. In the name of the King. Lord knows he's got the resources. #savesnowmass. "Then in the name of the King go find some old man with less lore and More Wisdom that still keeps some in his house!" -G-Unit, Houses of Healing, Return of the King. Big boy stuff. 😉 Peace, Eothain.
Interesting that Tom Wright can clearly see biblical metaphors as in the book of Mark but cannot see it in how some people see heaven (God’s space) being above. (Comments about Australia and NZ) It’s almost characterising people as believers in a flat earth rather than as a way of understanding heaven through metaphor: remembering that metaphor always stands for something real. Yes Jesus fulfils the law and is the new temple - built up in 3 days. I think there is still room to say that God did not ‘un-choose His people notwithstanding that we gentiles were grafted onto the Jewish vine.
Honestly, still don’t know how he comes to those conclusions about the meaning of the darkening of the sun reddening of the moon verse in Isaiah (it also appears in Joel and Daniel), especially given to the way it’s presented in revelation. Maybe he’s right though, who knows
The meaning is just that, in my view. I always say there will be 2 things that tell me (if we are still here) Christ is at the doorstep. The sun going black and red moon, and the Chinese Eastern armies on the border of Israel.
If God darkens the sun, the sun reflected by the moon will automatically be dark red. And people don't think about it, but God can do that, and make any adjustments necessary in the universe.
@@lorenzor124 But if the sun is pitch black, you can't see the moon as blood. The words are open enough to interpret in terms of reality like that. Pitch black I'd an extreme possibility, but it does not seem to be what is meant. Besides, this is before Jesus returns in the clouds, right?
@@lindajohnson4204 You are correct. My mistake was to say the moon will be red. Verse 29 says clearly it will NOT show light. So, I think it is a pitch darkness. And what a grand & terrifying entrance to blast into our dimension as a messiah warrior/conqueror. The level of terror for his enemies will be like nothing ever before.
True, the book of Revelation is filled metaphor and symbolism, but the Bible interprets itself. One can always look to other passages of scripture to fill in details or to make the meaning clear. The key to understanding Bible prophecy is knowing the identity of the end time nations discussed in these prophecies. With that understanding, Daniel, Revelation, the prophets along with Christ’s Olivet prophecies can be well understood.
The skeptical side of me wants to say that Inaugurated Eschatology is a patchwork that tries to placate and smooth over the inconsistencies in the new testament, one side saying that Jesus definitely thought that he was going to bring about God's kingdom ("and this is what it looks like", as Bishop Wright has put it before) and that his death would basically start "the end of the world" for lack of a better word, and that his apostles would all be alive to see the great judgement. on the other side are texts like Pauls later letters (Philippians, Ephesians, ect) and the Johannine corpus seem to imply that the church very early on stopped looking for "the big day" to be RIGHT right at the door, and focused more on the afterlife and a soon but not imminent coming. Between the "prepper" Consistent eschatology and the more moderate/later Realized eschatology of doing good in the now, I guess the Inaugurated view gives Christians the mandate to both prepare ourselves for what's coming and making right now more like what we believe is to come, since it's already here with us. TL;DR, Between something like Mark, Revelation or 1 Thessalonians with it's rushed tone and doomsday outlook and the more heaven-minded views of Ephesians or the First Letter of John, you have the Gospels of Matthew and Luke-Acts, especially in Matthew that expands Mark's (critics say, posthumous or concurrent) description of the Sack of Jerusalem and God's final judgement with a moral passage on the Judgement of the Sheep and the Goats, where the way the church acts and treats people right now will have an effect on how we spend the rest of our lives when, like paul says, "the perfect comes"
How will I know? We shall know Him for we shall be like Him! Its really not that difficult. Most theological expositions do just that, expose their own bias and then praise themselves about their great wisdom ! So grateful to the words of Jesus who said, He made known His plan understandable to little kids! No need of theologians, just His Holy Spirit.
Amen. C.S. Lewis said we would know more five minutes after we are in heaven than in a lifetime of speculating. You are right. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us all things. Praise God!
In the first chapter of Acts, Jesus says, "It is NOT for you to know...". If he says it's NOT for us to know, then why are we theorizing about it? He didn't say, "It's not for you to know, but go ahead and develop theories so you can obsess about it, sell books about it, make films about it. What part of NOT do you not understand?
3:57 My understanding is that the sun moon and stars symbolizes old Israel that is about to be replaced with the new Israel. *Genesis 37:9* _"Then Joseph had another dream and told it to his brothers. “Look,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” He told his father and brothers, but his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream that you have had? Will your mother and brothers and I actually come and bow down to the ground before you?"_
He referred to Isaiah 13 and the fall of Babylon. A quick reading of that passage shows that Isaiah 13 is still yet future. I see your reasoning for saying the sun moon and stars symbolise Israel, but it’s hard to see that in Isaiah 13 or other passages. In my mind it’s better to take it literally with the sun moon and stars symbolising the sun moon and stars.
More likely the sun, moon and 11 stars symbolized his father, mother and 11 siblings (11 is hardly a coincidence), indicating Joseph was more important than any of them. That is why his brothers became jealous. His father clearly understood what he was implying. I dont think there's any need to go beyond that.
I love N.T. Wright's teaching, and he continues to help me understand Scripture. In the light of this video, I have a question: What does it mean when in the gospels, the writers say that Jesus looked "up" to heaven and prayed to the Father. I just saw that (in Luke 11 or 12, I think). Thank you!
If one rightly divides scripture, this becomes simple to understand. Watch Justin Johnson at Grace Ambassador’s message on Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.
I am reminded of the billboards that used to dot the interstates in NC at least, one of which said something to the effect: “why do you doubt my existence. I don’t doubt yours”, IIRC. Maybe his answer in this case would be: “why do you need to know”? 😏
This man has it right. It is an inner reality that we experience in the here and now. Jesus returned in the Spirit on the day of Pentecost and that is when the prophecy about the moon turning to blood was fulfilled. Peter said that in his discourse to those that where present. And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, And signs in the earth beneath; Blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before that great and notable Day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 2:18-21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:20,21 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 28:27,28 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21 KJV Heaven is within us, it is a spiritual kingdom not one that is physical. The hope is that one day all people will be converted and come to union with God when heaven and earth are one. We can become of that reality now. Where the veil is lifted and God is manifest within his children. when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 2 Thessalonians 1:10 KJV
We started the last days at the Resurection. The last hours likely began when Israel was born a nation in one day, May 1948. With all the things going on today, we are probably in the last seconds. Soon, Jesus will sound the trumpet, and all those who have repented and put their faith in Him will be raptured. We will meet Him in the air. The tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, will follow. At the conclusion of the tribulation, Jesus will come back to earth (second coming), and the church will be with Him in His coming. HE will establish His kingdom on earth and reign for a thousand years. Then the new heaven and new earth will replace the old heavens and earth, and He will reign and we will be with Him forever and ever, Amen come Lord Jesus.
@billdeuchler7030 wrote, "We started the last days at the Resurection. The last hours likely began when Israel was born a nation in one day, May 1948. With all the things going on today, we are probably in the last seconds. " Date setting is probably not a good idea. Christian history is littered with the false prophecies of date-setters.
@billdeuchler7030 wrote, "HE will establish His kingdom on earth and reign for a thousand years." Where can I find that in the New Testament? Dan
Like David's Tabernacle YOU are the tent 🎪 The WORD is written on your hearts 🥰 The Spirit of God is in YOU 🎉 sABBAth with Daddy 24-7 ❤ A LIVING ARK OF THE COVENANT 🔥 A TEMPLE MADE WITHOUT HANDS ❤ Keep the Feasts of the Lord by the Spirit once for all time becoming a Temple Made without Hands 😮
Isaiah 13:4 talks about many kingdoms, coincidently in the portion that appears to be apocalyptic, while 13:17 mentions the Medes only (a single kingdom) when it's talking about the contemporary Babylon. we already have an understanding that many end-of-days prophecies also had a contemporary aspect to them. How else would the priests know to include in scriptures prophecies of end-days. The short-term fulfillment was the proof that the prophet was of God. also, why go to Isaiah to get the definition of the Sun, Moon, and Stars, why not go to when they were first introduced in Genesis 1? where is Babylon in Gen 1? sorry, but this is nonsense.
Paul said even Satan can appear as an angel of light and we surely know Satan can say anything .. he is the Father of Lies after all. #JesusWordsOnly ✝️
The Jews and Christians of the First Century didn't think that heaven was some "other dimension" for example. "Popular cosmology at the dawn of the Common Era in the Middle East held that the universe was geocentric and spherical and divided into many layers (see Chapter 3, §1), with the first layer of ‘heaven’ often called the ‘firmament’ (being the foundation holding up all the others) and consisting of all the air between the earth and the moon (or sometimes the same term only meant the topmost part of this: the sphere traveled by the moon)." Carrier, Richard. On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt (p. 257). Sheffield Phoenix Press. Kindle Edition.
I tend to agree with Wright. Though it's interesting that if Colin Humphreys is correct, there was a blood-red moon on the day Jesus was crucified (Fri 3 April AD33). But yes much of what Jesus said at the end of Matthew for example actually refers to the coming destruction of Jerusalem, not His return. I think the disciples assumed the Temple destruction was the sign for Jesus' return which is why they conflate that with the destruction, but He didnt actually say that. Just that it would happen before, but not how long before. In effect Jesus was reiterating what Daniel had already been told centuries earlier, that the messiah would be killed and then Jerusalem would be destroyed.
Theology student here. Is it me or did the English professor misspeak at 5:36 onwards? Doesn't the fall of jerusalem and creation not returning to primeval chaos show that Jeremiah WAS actually a false prophey? Surely not? He said that Jeremiah prophesized that when Jerusalem would fall it would be like without form and void, like a primeval chaos. He then goes on to say that when Jerusalem fell, nobody considered Jeremiah as a false prophet because the earth had not gone back to chaos. But thay doesnt make sense? My view is: According to what he said at the beginning, the prophecy of jerusalem falling, there would be chaos, but when it DID fall there was no chaos, therefore by logic, Jeremiah was a false prophet because the chaos he was prophesizing did not occur? Check out 5:36 maybe it was the jet lag! 🤔
I think you’re misunderstanding what Jeremiah is saying. With the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, the nation of Israel was decimated. That doesn’t mean they literally became formless and void, but they might as well be formless and void. You have to read it with the understanding of how it was written THEN, not how we read literature TODAY. Ancient near eastern literature had ample hyperbolic language and didn’t have near the vocabulary we do today.
Didn't Jesus tell his disciples that only the father knows when the end will come. Jesus said neither he nor the angels know. But when Jesus returns EVERYONE on earth will know.
To N.T. Wright, how do you know? You're a fitting the Bible narrative into your best explantion, your view, how do you know that's the right conveyance?
I would state Rev 11 is a sign that can't be mistaken. 1260 days as I read. For those not of the faith who accept the OT but not the NT I would state when the mount of olives is split in two to make a way of escape from the surrounding armies will be a sign from the coming of "the day of the lord". Those attacking armies will be destroyed by God not man. Ref Zech 14. The anointing in me greatly influences my view. I take this as literal. I believe in this testimony. "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea." But the signs in Rev 11 can't be mistaken.
Please! Attempt to truly set aside prior beliefs and correct for your biases when considering the veracity of biblical claims. Tough to do for anyone, especially Christians doing New Testament scholarship.
First important sign is when all of Christianity, ESPECIALLY the clergy, totally unite with each other. If they keep separated with their OWN interpretations, they will miss out and not recognize when the Lord of the Second Advent arrives and will end up just as disastrously as the Jews 2,000 years ago.
I respect everyone's point of view and believe. However, 2000+ years ago did they really have a vocabulary to speak in parables? Why is the bible and Jesus's messages not easy to interpret/understand if its meant for humankind?
Absolutely agree with his take on heaven in the opening stages. However, his take on the ,as he calls it, collapse of space/time universe is really a mattrr of whicg school of interpretation you are using. There,obviously, is a school that says this is the falling of Babylon. My suggestion is do a thorough research on the subject before making that your final conclusion. Some think it is a literal event, others metaphoric. Also, the belief in the first century, actually 70 years, that Christ was coming was based on the destruction of the temple and the many prophecies of Christ being fulfilled at the time. Thr school of interpretation believing that all Christs prophecies were fulfilled is the preterist school. A careful look will reveal that Matt. 24 certainly predicted happenings which would take place in that period, but equally pointed towards a far distant future, but what they believed was present then.
I Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Nonsense. He will meet His saints in the air, destroy the earth and universe, and judgment will occur. The New Jerusalem is here now. It is His body the church.
So Jesus and God occupy the 5th dimension? Perhaps but for human beings to suddenly hace access to this dimension would entail a change in physical reality so enormous that it might actually undo all of reality. How could we function in such a state?
Matthew 16:18-19 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.”
3:25 - 'in Mark 13 and parallel passages' - well one parallel passage is Mathew 24 . Verse 15 talks about Jerusalem's fall, but verse 21 talks bout the end of the 'space-time universe'. NT Wright should perhaps read what a spirit-filled man of God has written concerning Jesus' second coming.
This is a tough issue. So many Christians seem to think that Jesus is returning any day now. Honestly, I think 10,000 years is too early. It might even be more metaphorical than literal. Jesus's return might be spiritual rather than physical.
@@ronoxley4138 Not much, but given that the apostles were strongly expecting Jesus to return seemingly in their lifetime, which didn't happen and indeed was 2000 years ago, an honest person has to start wondering. I also remember when Jesus was asked by his disciples about why the scribes say that Elijah must come first. (see Mk 9.11) Jesus replies that Elijah has already come (a reference to John the Baptist, I believe). In that case Jesus takes what was thought to be a literal interpretation of Elijah's appearance and explained how it was instead a figurative appearance. The same may be true for the 2nd coming: he has already come but people didn't recognize him. The point is that literal meanings are sometimes figurative.
@@slydog7131 true, there are figurative meanings in the statements Jesus gives about the end times. I’m also not a big “end time predictor). I do believe it will be a true appearance by Jesus to the world & not a metaphorical/figurative event.
@@ronoxley4138 Could be, For me there are mysteries concerning this. Certainly, there are many verses that refer to a physical appearance, such as Thessalonians 4.13-18. But those who think that we are in the last days will likely be disappointed.
Every eye will see him. .. like lightning. ... not here or there. .. or in this house that house. .. and some saw. .. and come to see. .. not anything like that!
Luke 23 was not just about the fall of Jerusalem, it was also predicting the 2nd coming of Jesus. 25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Coming in a cloud with power and great glory was also used in OT about God's judgement. God was not meant to be riding on a cloud. Similar to what happened during the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans. Although if you read the account of Jewish Roman historian Josephus about Jerusalem's sacking in 70AD, he describes some pretty wild supernatural things occurring among the clouds overhead.
The same way the Jews missed the First Advent of Christ because he did not come in the way they were expecting, will be the same way the majority of Christians will miss the Second Advent of Christ. Christ will return in every true and genuine believer, not out there. Most will not be able to accept this truth. Christ is already here, but NOT in His fullness. His fullness in genuine believers will resolve all the problems that can possibly exist in the world.
I do not see why what he is saying here cannot be true together with the idea that we are living on the brink of history with Christ returning in this generation , the generation in which Israel returned to their homeland in fulfillment of prophecy. Much of scripture has multiple fulfillment.
I appreciate the perspective, I am a Christian not because there is a(could be) a reward, pie in the sky. Rather the ways of Jesus are just the best way to live life, the reasons for the present unhappiness in the world is a lack of connection with the person of Jesus. I appreciate the pointing out the failure of hope, there is another driving factor and this is Love and the resurrection that it brings.
You do know King James had a English version written and it was done by Jews and Greeks neither were Christians. Never in all his days on earth did any of the disciples call him Jesus. What's weird Jesus in Latin is pronounced "Hey Zeus". Did the Greeks get in a jab at King James?
@@JohnSmith-kr6ek Its called transliteration. It happens with all words passed from one dialect to another. Transliteration does not change the *meaning* of the name. Jesus still means "Yah's salvation"
@jeremyprovince4942...I don't know who could agree with your statement about Jesus.His central doctrine was horrible.He told men that he met to desert their wives children and animals and follow him.this cruel command would have left the deserted family heart broken and in a desperate struggle for survival in the harsh desert without the main provider who suddenly left.His reason for this he said was because the world would end during the lifetime of the apostles.He was cruel to demand that from uneducated desert tribesmen and he was wrong because his prophecy failed.Furthermore,Jesus did not mention anything that was not known at that time.He did not know the true age of the earth.he did not know the Americas and South pacific countries existed.He did not know that several other humanoid species that were our relatives but became extinct some 40,000 years ago. He did not tell the men to stop forcing their wives to sleep outside in a shed with the goats during their menstrual cycle. he did not even know enough about medicine to give us a talk on germ theory that would have prevented millions of people from dying from preventable diseases. there were more than 300 self proclaimed messiahs who were crucified by the Romans in that era.there is no reason to suggest that Jesus knew any more or was a better person than any of the others.it is high time we humans grow up and out of this bronze age nonsense.
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 Geez, I hope you don’t think this is how everyone cherry picks twisted interpretations. - jesus gave quite clear and simple teachings on how to live Life better, and ( briefest and clearest) most simply summarized all commandments as “ Love thy neighbor as thyself” - how can we “ find everyone” who translates this in the odd way you present?
The related greatest commandment is to love the lord thy God, who is the Word ( Teachings of God) that point the Way, shine the Light, to live a more virtuous Life - which is exactly what Jeremy simply is pointing out. Whether you agree with any religion or not, it’s hard to understand why you see this so negatively.
(You are accurate, though: Jesus neglected to tell us “not to run with scissors”)
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 Brother, i can only encourage you to take your time to read and take your time to discover the fundamental messages of Scripture, both the OT and how the NT helps us (or helps me at least) to see the big picture and the complete story. For a large part of my life, i read individual verses out of context. In recent years, i have had to do a lot of unlearning and relearning. That's ok brother, it's part and parcel of life. King Solomon went through that phase too and gave us Ecclesiastes. That book is another good reading. Try it.
What a wonderfully informative exposition from Prof. Wright. I enjoyed this immensely. I have always believed that much of the difficulty surrounding religion and faith stemmed from problems of language and translation as well as culture.
TH-cam needs a feature where no one can comment until they’ve watched the video.
lol, no kidding!
That makes perfect sense!
The comments are generally revealing.I find it difficult, however, to believe that any commentators have actually listened carefully to his comments and observations?
Brilliant statement by NTW
I listen to NT Wright a lot, and every time I listen to him, I have to listen to him a lot. But if it's like a curtain then why did the disciples look up as Jesus was leaving.
Something unusual will happen before he returns, trust me it's not what anyone thinks
@@youngmarciowould you share what you think it is? Or are you just saying you don't know either? Do you think we're supposed to recognise it coming?
@@youngmarcio Amos 3:7
Jesus is coming in the clouds, every eye will see Him, if He appeared on a street corner, or parking lot, how could every see Him, will everyone be given x-ray vision to see through buildings and structures?
@@TS-yd6cn...youngmarcio Doesn't know anything.
Love listening to NT Wright! Totally agree with him about the problem of premillennial dispensational teaching in the west. I taught it for years until I realized this doctrine just did not add up. But I have also realized that there were many “comings” of Christ. FIRST he came we can all agree in a manger (Luke 2:10-12). But everyone then tends to jump to a physical second coming forgetting the actual SECOND coming via the Spirit (St. John 14:3, 16-18). Then there was a THIRD coming promised by Christ and was fulfilled when he came in judgement as prophecies in Matthew 24:30.
A new heaven and a new earth,
Jesus Never Left! He left His Spirit Here With us..each of us..within us. If we are listening we are Obeying His commandments and Forgiving EveryOne..just as He Did the First time!
Yes Jesus did leave and Ge sent the Holy Spirit just as He promised.
Thank you for posting this video.
2:34 in theatre it would be a scrim. You cant see what is really on stage until it is revealed.
It's not important on how it will happen ( the 2nd Coming of Jesus) what's important is whether we can attain Salvation when He comes..
My friend if you have no salvation when he comes there’s no second chances, you can’t honestly think your going to be about life unregenerate and at enmity toward God and then Jesus will rock up with the trumpets blasting and you get in a bus to Jerusalem and get it sorted ?? Today is the day of salvation my friend today !! If you are not sorted before you hear that trumpet then you will never be in Gods presence ever, you will be separated from him though. Nt wright is classed by most evangelicals as someone to NOT listen too and is lost on many matters.
I had no trouble attaining salvation when I went to the cross as a sinner and believed in Him.
Revelation 22 :7, 12, 20
Jesus SAYS "behold, I AM COMING QUICKLY...."
Titus 2: 13
Looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great GOD and Saviour.. Jesus Christ"
And his wife exclaims "Not Yet."
Quickly means at least 2024 Years
Come quickly dear Jesus! ! !
Yes
on and on.....I get lost, in the details.....like answer the question...
Jesus Is The Word! ❤
Didn't Jesus's earliest followers believe he would be returning /re-appearing in their lifetime?
Yeah, but the prophecies and warnings were not yet fulfilled, not even close.
He said not all of you will die before seeing my coming refering to John's vision of revelation. He also said in the time of the end there would be ways rumours of wars famines and earthquakes in various places. I sent think he implied it was soon but the disciples did
Yes. Here but in another dimension!
"'I am with you always." There's no waiting.
Indeed, His Spirit is always with us...
@@Bijbelstudies With the Resurrection, he showed he was not a body but spirit.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit
@@robertdouglas8895 Actually He was both. That was the meaning of the incarnation. See 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
@@Bijbelstudies Since we are spirit, not flesh, we are created in the likeness of God.
You can pretend you are separate from God if you want, but I don't.
@@Bijbelstudies Not just with us. In us. As us. One.
0 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Thank you for this!
For further study, read R.T. France's commentaries on Matthew and Mark.
He returns through the real sons of God. Christ in us.
As erudite as he is, not every topic is N. T. Wright's strength. As do many replacement theology advocates, he holds forth on eschatology without educating himself on the subject.
No lack of humility is this comment!
Spend your time doing good by helping the less fortunate or praying or asking God for mercy. Nobody knows the time of the next coming of Jesus except God the Father.
The actual end of the world practically is really when we ourselves die,
Excellent point. We often forget that. That's how it ends for the vast majority of humanity. However, it's not really the end because the soul/spirit has been separated from the body, and the body has to be reunited with the soul/spirit for us to be completely human once again. So there must be a moment when all of us are united with our bodies and face judgment.
so the world didn't exist before you were born? or, if you die as a believer should you're children's fate be sealed at that point, whether they're believers or not? or if the seeds of salvation that u've spread that bring fruit after you die should not longer count towards you're heavenly rewards?
This guy needs to watch some Tovi Singer videos.
Wow! you even mentioned the very verse that disproves this non traditional view, there is no curtain!
They watched him go up in the sky, we weren't making this up.
Jesus returning in the Second Coming, is not the same thing as the Rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. We await both, but we believe that, in all likelihood, if our interpretation of scripture is true, we will be returning with Him.
So-called liberal theology allegorizes the Bible into anything they want to make out of it. Our trust toward its spokespeople and it's ways is not great. Wright says many good things, but I would not look to him to explain God to me.
You know, many New Agers and trance channeling fanatics speak of a similar thing occurring in the future. Am 'evacuation' or cleansing of the planet. Ships with space brothers will come and take certain people out of here. They even say that a great 'sound' will circulate the planet at the time!
I suspect the Dark side knows about this coming rapture and is preparing accordingly.
See 'Bringers of the New Dawn', 'Revelation of things to come' and 'Project Evacuation Earth'.
These rapture deniers will collapse on their knees out of shock and terror after it happens. May they wake up soon.
The Second Coming and the gathering of the saints are all part of the same event. Not only was Jesus very clear about this in Matt. 24, Rev. 19 prophesies the same exact thing.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 No, they are 2 different things. The UFO deception is part and parcel of covering up the coming disappearances. That could not happen at the 2nd Coming, only at some time before!
@@theeternalsbeliever1779What does studying the end times without a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week do? How does that effect a person's interpretation?
What has happened with Daniel chapter 9? Why is it so important? Well so many scholars have said it was a prophecy for 490 biblical years. And 483 years were fulfilled when Messiah was cutoff in 33 AD. Then later the temple and the city was destroyed in 70 AD. And 7 biblical years are pending for the future of this world and then Daniel 9 24 will be fulfilled. Bible prophecy did not mention things that happened in the church age.
The bible clearly hints Daniel 9 27 is future. Rev 11 2 says there will be a future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. Daniel 12 11 says the abomination of desolation will stop the daily sacrifice. 2 Thess 2 says the man of sin will enter the temple of God and demand to be worshiped as God. Rev 13 5-7 says a man will speak blasphemies and from that day have authority to continue 42 months over saints from all nations. Daniel 7 25 says the saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. Matthew 24 15 says the abomination of desolation will trigger the great tribulation that starts the worst time the world will ever see.
So if you read Matthew 24 without a clear understanding of Daniel's 70th week, you really say the 2nd coming is the rapture. But with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week, knowing the world is headed for a covenant for 2520 days or 7 biblical years, you run into problems. The abomination of desolation has to happen on day 1261 of the 7 year covenant. And from day 1261, the saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. Day 2520 will be the day of the 2nd coming immediately after the tribulation. The problem with those passages is that scripture cannot be broken. They are saints starting midtrib that start to be martyred on day 1261. And they will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 1260 days. Scripture will not be broken. Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7 will not be broken. There are no saints better than other saints. And there is no rapture on a day that will be known years before the event immediately after the tribulation. The problems come from the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins where no man knows the day or the hour. But the date of the 2nd coming will be known 7 biblical years before the event.
If you read 2 Thess 2 and realize the man of sin is revealed in the temple midtrib, then you realize that the day of the Lord as birth pangs starts after that. And great confusion occurs with our gathering. But then with a proper understanding of Daniel's 70th week again there are problems. The saints are given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years or 1260 days. And Daniel 9 24 occurs immediately after the tribulation on the last day. How can our gathering be any day in the 2nd half? So now you know what is restraining all this that is going to come unto the world. Our gathering is restraining all this. Then worldwide apostasy. Then the man of sin will be revealed midtrib.Then some unknown time in the 2nd half the day of the Lord judgments will start on the wicked as birth pangs and the wicked will not escape. These birth pangs will get worse and worse till the last day. But this will not break the Word of God with Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7. The saints will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. And the last day of the birth pangs immediately after the tribulation will be known 7 biblical years before the event.
What happens when a person starts reading the book of Revelation. They see passages and Jesus coming in the clouds and on a horse. But again with a proper study of Daniel's 70th week there are problems. In the 2nd half Rev 13 5-7 occurs and the antichrist will have authority over saints from all nations for 42 months or 1260 days. And there is a trumpet in Matthew 24 27-31 and the angels gather His elect immediately after the tribulation. But this cannot break the Word of God. A person needs to figure out what day of Daniel's 70th week that trumpet will sound. This creates a huge problem. The book of Revelation only gives the antichrist authority to continue 42 months from the day he speaks great blasphemies. And Rev 1 7 says He comes on the clouds and all eyes will see Him. Meaning in Russia and China and Africa and North America and Japan and South America. Now it becomes supernatural when all the world can see the Lord and angels and heaven open. Zech 14 6-9 and Luke 17 23-37 along with Daniel 9 24 says it all ends on that day. All the wicked are destroyed on that day and that makes the bowl judgments supernatural after the entire world sees the Lord.
Jesus will not literally come as humans will never see him again (1 Timothy 6:16).
His PRESENCE in Kingdom power was to be signaled by signs. The first was:
(Matthew 24:7) “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,
Historians call it the Great War and World War 1 (1914-18).
That event started the last days for this system of things.
The so-called rapture is about the remaining few CHOSEN ones who are still alive being put to death and transformed to spirit form in a blink of an eye.
There will also be survivors of the coming war of change who will be the foundation of the New Earth (Revelation 7:9,10,14).
(Psalm 37:29) The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it.
The chosen few will be co-rulers with Jesus in God's heavenly Government (Revelation 5:9,10). Other righteous humans will live on earth as its subjects.
Hope this is helpful.
Could of summed up this whole 10 min video with I don't know.
Why are secular Bible scholars or Theologians always willing to accept the Bible in a metaphorical or allegorical sense, but never literal? The Bible is the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God written for the ages and not a rorschach test looking for hidden messages and meanings. Jesus used relevant stories of the day to relate and teach, but does the Holy Sprit need to do the same?
Its been a very ill minute since I've heard this voice. Ever surprised by Joy, but seldom off the fruit of our loom.
Tough time to be be the Clive of ours. Especially after the TKs went home.
Stay Mere, brother. I mean that.
TKs for life.
PPS, maybe you could convince the head of your order to buy Snowmass?
Start a Taize without all that tricky French stuff. In America. In the mid 2020s. In the name of the King.
Lord knows he's got the resources. #savesnowmass.
"Then in the name of the King go find some old man with less lore and More Wisdom that still keeps some in his house!" -G-Unit, Houses of Healing, Return of the King.
Big boy stuff. 😉
Peace, Eothain.
Interesting that Tom Wright can clearly see biblical metaphors as in the book of Mark but cannot see it in how some people see heaven (God’s space) being above. (Comments about Australia and NZ)
It’s almost characterising people as believers in a flat earth rather than as a way of understanding heaven through metaphor: remembering that metaphor always stands for something real.
Yes Jesus fulfils the law and is the new temple - built up in 3 days. I think there is still room to say that God did not ‘un-choose His people notwithstanding that we gentiles were grafted onto the Jewish vine.
Honestly, still don’t know how he comes to those conclusions about the meaning of the darkening of the sun reddening of the moon verse in Isaiah (it also appears in Joel and Daniel), especially given to the way it’s presented in revelation. Maybe he’s right though, who knows
The meaning is just that, in my view.
I always say there will be 2 things that tell me (if we are still here) Christ is at the doorstep.
The sun going black and red moon, and the Chinese Eastern armies on the border of Israel.
If God darkens the sun, the sun reflected by the moon will automatically be dark red. And people don't think about it, but God can do that, and make any adjustments necessary in the universe.
@@lindajohnson4204 Everything goes pitch dark when he comes back.
@@lorenzor124 But if the sun is pitch black, you can't see the moon as blood. The words are open enough to interpret in terms of reality like that. Pitch black I'd an extreme possibility, but it does not seem to be what is meant. Besides, this is before Jesus returns in the clouds, right?
@@lindajohnson4204 You are correct. My mistake was to say the moon will be red. Verse 29 says clearly it will NOT show light. So, I think it is a pitch darkness. And what a grand & terrifying entrance to blast into our dimension as a messiah warrior/conqueror. The level of terror for his enemies will be like nothing ever before.
True, the book of Revelation is filled metaphor and symbolism, but the Bible interprets itself. One can always look to other passages of scripture to fill in details or to make the meaning clear. The key to understanding Bible prophecy is knowing the identity of the end time nations discussed in these prophecies. With that understanding, Daniel, Revelation, the prophets along with Christ’s Olivet prophecies can be well understood.
I do not understand a word of what Professor Wright is saying.
The skeptical side of me wants to say that Inaugurated Eschatology is a patchwork that tries to placate and smooth over the inconsistencies in the new testament, one side saying that Jesus definitely thought that he was going to bring about God's kingdom ("and this is what it looks like", as Bishop Wright has put it before) and that his death would basically start "the end of the world" for lack of a better word, and that his apostles would all be alive to see the great judgement. on the other side are texts like Pauls later letters (Philippians, Ephesians, ect) and the Johannine corpus seem to imply that the church very early on stopped looking for "the big day" to be RIGHT right at the door, and focused more on the afterlife and a soon but not imminent coming. Between the "prepper" Consistent eschatology and the more moderate/later Realized eschatology of doing good in the now, I guess the Inaugurated view gives Christians the mandate to both prepare ourselves for what's coming and making right now more like what we believe is to come, since it's already here with us.
TL;DR, Between something like Mark, Revelation or 1 Thessalonians with it's rushed tone and doomsday outlook and the more heaven-minded views of Ephesians or the First Letter of John, you have the Gospels of Matthew and Luke-Acts, especially in Matthew that expands Mark's (critics say, posthumous or concurrent) description of the Sack of Jerusalem and God's final judgement with a moral passage on the Judgement of the Sheep and the Goats, where the way the church acts and treats people right now will have an effect on how we spend the rest of our lives when, like paul says, "the perfect comes"
I disagree with N.T Wright. I understand some of what he is saying, but disagree. I know we will all find out when that time happens
Very interesting. Thank you.
How will I know? We shall know Him for we shall be like Him! Its really not that difficult. Most theological expositions do just that, expose their own bias and then praise themselves about their great wisdom ! So grateful to the words of Jesus who said, He made known His plan understandable to little kids! No need of theologians, just His Holy Spirit.
Amen. C.S. Lewis said we would know more five minutes after we are in heaven than in a lifetime of speculating. You are right. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us all things. Praise God!
In the first chapter of Acts, Jesus says, "It is NOT for you to know...". If he says it's NOT for us to know, then why are we theorizing about it? He didn't say, "It's not for you to know, but go ahead and develop theories so you can obsess about it, sell books about it, make films about it. What part of NOT do you not understand?
Wow, this....very very well and accurately stated. Finally someone with some common sense.
The thing is: Jesus has been coming back for 2,000 years in dreams, revelations and visions.
Hey, it’s NT “Right”!!
The great marriage … heaven and earth ….
Yes!
3:57 My understanding is that the sun moon and stars symbolizes old Israel that is about to be replaced with the new Israel. *Genesis 37:9* _"Then Joseph had another dream and told it to his brothers. “Look,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” He told his father and brothers, but his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream that you have had? Will your mother and brothers and I actually come and bow down to the ground before you?"_
That will be a great discussion.
He referred to Isaiah 13 and the fall of Babylon. A quick reading of that passage shows that Isaiah 13 is still yet future. I see your reasoning for saying the sun moon and stars symbolise Israel, but it’s hard to see that in Isaiah 13 or other passages. In my mind it’s better to take it literally with the sun moon and stars symbolising the sun moon and stars.
More likely the sun, moon and 11 stars symbolized his father, mother and 11 siblings (11 is hardly a coincidence), indicating Joseph was more important than any of them. That is why his brothers became jealous. His father clearly understood what he was implying. I dont think there's any need to go beyond that.
When pure guesswork tries to pass as wisdom.
I have a serious doubts about popular definition rapture...
I love N.T. Wright's teaching, and he continues to help me understand Scripture.
In the light of this video, I have a question: What does it mean when in the gospels, the writers say that Jesus looked "up" to heaven and prayed to the Father. I just saw that (in Luke 11 or 12, I think).
Thank you!
Well, he looked upward simply because that's where his Father is and that's who he prays to.
I would point you to the postures of prayer described in the Psalms. Lifting your eyes is a common posture of praise and prayer.
We just have to look at the fall feast days instead of being intellectual theologians.
If one rightly divides scripture, this becomes simple to understand. Watch Justin Johnson at Grace Ambassador’s message on Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.
Ah man. Very good.
Jesus christ , will return when he ready, and u will know when he is on earth 🌎!
His voice is close enough to Christopher Hitchens, that for a moment I thought it was Hitchens defending Christianity
I am reminded of the billboards that used to dot the interstates in NC at least, one of which said something to the effect: “why do you doubt my existence. I don’t doubt yours”, IIRC. Maybe his answer in this case would be: “why do you need to know”? 😏
This man has it right. It is an inner reality that we experience in the here and now. Jesus returned in the Spirit on the day of Pentecost and that is when the prophecy about the moon turning to blood was fulfilled. Peter said that in his discourse to those that where present.
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, And signs in the earth beneath; Blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before that great and notable Day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:18-21
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:20,21
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 28:27,28
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:21 KJV
Heaven is within us, it is a spiritual kingdom not one that is physical. The hope is that one day all people will be converted and come to union with God when heaven and earth are one. We can become of that reality now. Where the veil is lifted and God is manifest within his children.
when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2 Thessalonians 1:10 KJV
I like jesus
We started the last days at the Resurection. The last hours likely began when Israel was born a nation in one day, May 1948. With all the things going on today, we are probably in the last seconds.
Soon, Jesus will sound the trumpet, and all those who have repented and put their faith in Him will be raptured. We will meet Him in the air. The tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble, will follow. At the conclusion of the tribulation, Jesus will come back to earth (second coming), and the church will be with Him in His coming. HE will establish His kingdom on earth and reign for a thousand years. Then the new heaven and new earth will replace the old heavens and earth, and He will reign and we will be with Him forever and ever, Amen come Lord Jesus.
....and, it is that straight forward.
@billdeuchler7030 wrote, "We started the last days at the Resurection. The last hours likely began when Israel was born a nation in one day, May 1948. With all the things going on today, we are probably in the last seconds. "
Date setting is probably not a good idea. Christian history is littered with the false prophecies of date-setters.
@billdeuchler7030 wrote, "HE will establish His kingdom on earth and reign for a thousand years."
Where can I find that in the New Testament?
Dan
..how long does it take for a beginning to end..?
When I listen to NT Wright I realize a lot of what I learned about the Bible is wrong
I cannot explain why I believe I just do
How unfortunate that Scripture was only written for the intellectuals.
Like David's Tabernacle
YOU are the tent 🎪
The WORD is written on your hearts 🥰
The Spirit of God is in YOU 🎉
sABBAth with Daddy 24-7 ❤
A LIVING ARK OF THE COVENANT 🔥
A TEMPLE MADE WITHOUT HANDS ❤
Keep the Feasts of the Lord by the Spirit once for all time becoming a Temple Made without Hands 😮
I enjoyed the way he explained with his thick British accent. 😅
Isaiah 13:4 talks about many kingdoms, coincidently in the portion that appears to be apocalyptic, while 13:17 mentions the Medes only (a single kingdom) when it's talking about the contemporary Babylon. we already have an understanding that many end-of-days prophecies also had a contemporary aspect to them. How else would the priests know to include in scriptures prophecies of end-days. The short-term fulfillment was the proof that the prophet was of God. also, why go to Isaiah to get the definition of the Sun, Moon, and Stars, why not go to when they were first introduced in Genesis 1? where is Babylon in Gen 1? sorry, but this is nonsense.
He does not appear to Paul, it’s a bright light and a voice saying why do you persecute me?
Paul said even Satan can appear as an angel of light and we surely know Satan can say anything .. he is the Father of Lies after all. #JesusWordsOnly ✝️
The Jews and Christians of the First Century didn't think that heaven was some "other dimension" for example.
"Popular cosmology at the dawn of the Common Era in the Middle East held that the universe was geocentric and spherical and divided into many layers (see Chapter 3, §1), with the first layer of ‘heaven’ often called the ‘firmament’ (being the foundation holding up all the others) and consisting of all the air between the earth and the moon (or sometimes the same term only meant the topmost part of this: the sphere traveled by the moon)."
Carrier, Richard. On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt (p. 257). Sheffield Phoenix Press. Kindle Edition.
I tend to agree with Wright. Though it's interesting that if Colin Humphreys is correct, there was a blood-red moon on the day Jesus was crucified (Fri 3 April AD33). But yes much of what Jesus said at the end of Matthew for example actually refers to the coming destruction of Jerusalem, not His return. I think the disciples assumed the Temple destruction was the sign for Jesus' return which is why they conflate that with the destruction, but He didnt actually say that. Just that it would happen before, but not how long before. In effect Jesus was reiterating what Daniel had already been told centuries earlier, that the messiah would be killed and then Jerusalem would be destroyed.
Theology student here. Is it me or did the English professor misspeak at 5:36 onwards? Doesn't the fall of jerusalem and creation not returning to primeval chaos show that Jeremiah WAS actually a false prophey? Surely not?
He said that Jeremiah prophesized that when Jerusalem would fall it would be like without form and void, like a primeval chaos. He then goes on to say that when Jerusalem fell, nobody considered Jeremiah as a false prophet because the earth had not gone back to chaos. But thay doesnt make sense?
My view is: According to what he said at the beginning, the prophecy of jerusalem falling, there would be chaos, but when it DID fall there was no chaos, therefore by logic, Jeremiah was a false prophet because the chaos he was prophesizing did not occur? Check out 5:36 maybe it was the jet lag! 🤔
I think you’re misunderstanding what Jeremiah is saying. With the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD, the nation of Israel was decimated. That doesn’t mean they literally became formless and void, but they might as well be formless and void. You have to read it with the understanding of how it was written THEN, not how we read literature TODAY. Ancient near eastern literature had ample hyperbolic language and didn’t have near the vocabulary we do today.
Didn't Jesus tell his disciples that only the father knows when the end will come. Jesus said neither he nor the angels know. But when Jesus returns EVERYONE on earth will know.
To N.T. Wright, how do you know? You're a fitting the Bible narrative into your best explantion, your view, how do you know that's the right conveyance?
Everybody does that though... try to fit the narrative to a best explanation.
I would state Rev 11 is a sign that can't be mistaken. 1260 days as I read. For those not of the faith who accept the OT but not the NT I would state when the mount of olives is split in two to make a way of escape from the surrounding armies will be a sign from the coming of "the day of the lord". Those attacking armies will be destroyed by God not man. Ref Zech 14.
The anointing in me greatly influences my view. I take this as literal. I believe in this testimony. "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea." But the signs in Rev 11 can't be mistaken.
Please! Attempt to truly set aside prior beliefs and correct for your biases when considering the veracity of biblical claims. Tough to do for anyone, especially Christians doing New Testament scholarship.
Nothing beats human self or mass delusion
So if that is so about heaven, why did Jesus take the disciples up to a mountain before being taken “up onto heaven” ? The Bible is very confusing!
No, he was killed 2k years ago. No one comes back. That is why it is called death.
Jesus return will be IN US he will totally be reveal in us at the end. Heaven is a state of being , we will be TRANSFORMED in something else.
But.....the people who heard about it first must have not been the one's who disbelieved?
First important sign is when all of Christianity, ESPECIALLY the clergy, totally unite with each other. If they keep separated with their OWN interpretations, they will miss out and not recognize when the Lord of the Second Advent arrives and will end up just as disastrously as the Jews 2,000 years ago.
I am amazed that intelligent people in the 21st century can still believe in fairy tales.
Like the ones who believe they are smart enough to decide how the world was made?
I respect everyone's point of view and believe.
However, 2000+ years ago did they really have a vocabulary to speak in parables?
Why is the bible and Jesus's messages not easy to interpret/understand if its meant for humankind?
Absolutely agree with his take on heaven in the opening stages. However, his take on the ,as he calls it, collapse of space/time universe is really a mattrr of whicg school of interpretation you are using. There,obviously, is a school that says this is the falling of Babylon. My suggestion is do a thorough research on the subject before making that your final conclusion. Some think it is a literal event, others metaphoric. Also, the belief in the first century, actually 70 years, that Christ was coming was based on the destruction of the temple and the many prophecies of Christ being fulfilled at the time. Thr school of interpretation believing that all Christs prophecies were fulfilled is the preterist school. A careful look will reveal that Matt. 24 certainly predicted happenings which would take place in that period, but equally pointed towards a far distant future, but what they believed was present then.
Hook, line and sinker.
I Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
hope so ,he didn’t finish paving my driveway
Don't hold your breath.
In Matthew chapter 24, Jesus not only tells us how, but also when He will return. But you must read carefully.
Nonsense. He will meet His saints in the air, destroy the earth and universe, and judgment will occur. The New Jerusalem is here now. It is His body the church.
So Jesus and God occupy the 5th dimension? Perhaps but for human beings to suddenly hace access to this dimension would entail a change in physical reality so enormous that it might actually undo all of reality. How could we function in such a state?
Matthew 16:18-19
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven.”
3:25 - 'in Mark 13 and parallel passages' - well one parallel passage is Mathew 24 . Verse 15 talks about Jerusalem's fall, but verse 21 talks bout the end of the 'space-time universe'. NT Wright should perhaps read what a spirit-filled man of God has written concerning Jesus' second coming.
What is dispensationalism??? best in german 🙂
This is a tough issue. So many Christians seem to think that Jesus is returning any day now. Honestly, I think 10,000 years is too early. It might even be more metaphorical than literal. Jesus's return might be spiritual rather than physical.
What scriptural support do you have for that idea?
@@ronoxley4138 Not much, but given that the apostles were strongly expecting Jesus to return seemingly in their lifetime, which didn't happen and indeed was 2000 years ago, an honest person has to start wondering. I also remember when Jesus was asked by his disciples about why the scribes say that Elijah must come first. (see Mk 9.11) Jesus replies that Elijah has already come (a reference to John the Baptist, I believe). In that case Jesus takes what was thought to be a literal interpretation of Elijah's appearance and explained how it was instead a figurative appearance. The same may be true for the 2nd coming: he has already come but people didn't recognize him. The point is that literal meanings are sometimes figurative.
@@slydog7131 true, there are figurative meanings in the statements Jesus gives about the end times. I’m also not a big “end time predictor). I do believe it will be a true appearance by Jesus to the world & not a metaphorical/figurative event.
@@ronoxley4138 Could be, For me there are mysteries concerning this. Certainly, there are many verses that refer to a physical appearance, such as Thessalonians 4.13-18. But those who think that we are in the last days will likely be disappointed.
@@slydog7131 why do you not think we’re in the last days (by that I don’t mean Jesus is coming back next week)?
Every eye will see him. .. like lightning. ... not here or there. .. or in this house that house. .. and some saw. .. and come to see. .. not anything like that!
If you want to be Enoch you'll have to walk with God.
Luke 23 was not just about the fall of Jerusalem, it was also predicting the 2nd coming of Jesus.
25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”
Coming in a cloud with power and great glory was also used in OT about God's judgement. God was not meant to be riding on a cloud. Similar to what happened during the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans. Although if you read the account of Jewish Roman historian Josephus about Jerusalem's sacking in 70AD, he describes some pretty wild supernatural things occurring among the clouds overhead.
Yes but not how many think, for as it is written the Kingdom of Heaven does not come with observation.
The same way the Jews missed the First Advent of Christ because he did not come in the way they were expecting, will be the same way the majority of Christians will miss the Second Advent of Christ. Christ will return in every true and genuine believer, not out there. Most will not be able to accept this truth. Christ is already here, but NOT in His fullness. His fullness in genuine believers will resolve all the problems that can possibly exist in the world.
Of course not.
I’m thinking about the doubting Thomas stuff
I do not see why what he is saying here cannot be true together with the idea that we are living on the brink of history with Christ returning in this generation , the generation in which Israel returned to their homeland in fulfillment of prophecy. Much of scripture has multiple fulfillment.
Paul didn’t say Jesus coming back