Go to buyraycon.com/actman for 30% off your order! Brought to you by Raycon. This is part 1 of 2 videos on Halo Infinite's multiplayer and I had to make one on everything that's NOT in Halo Infinite before I could make a video on it's awesome gameplay and mechanics. I saw a post on reddit that did a great job of explaining why there aren’t more modes in Halo Infinite and why you can’t choose what modes you play. If you have an Oddball challenge, then you have to queue and wait until you get an Oddball match to try and complete. It could be argued that the lack of modes/playlists is by design to FURTHER lengthen the time it takes to complete challenges. Halo 5 launched with so little content because (in my opinion) it encouraged people to play Warzone, the game mode designed around loot boxes and overpowered weapons. So again, the fucking monetization is responsible for yet ANOTHER Halo games abysmal variety of content at release Reddit Post: www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r11nk7/not_being_able_to_choose_a_game_mode_is/
I don’t mind paying for the battle pass when the game is free but I hate that 343 is allowing players to purchase their armor. While Halo 4’s multiplayer wasn’t enjoyable it at least had a sense of accomplishment when players earned their armor like Venator. Keep the gameplay and include Reach’s progression system and Infinite would be perfect. Hopefully 343 sees the backlash and changes the leveling up system because the fact that someone in dead last gets the same +50xp as someone in first is hilarious.
The core gameplay and mechanics are utterly amazing. They nailed the hard part, but they're utterly flopping with such simple concepts like progression and customization
Blame Microsoft and the other people up top. I mean they were the ones getting 99% of the money that the microtransactions make the developers get very little of that money
It’s like the opposite that most modern shooters have, where their game play is usually tedious and boring but their progressions systems are deep and unique. Overall I still Love this game
Thats on Microsoft, when they said its gonna take time to change this they meant its gonna take a lot of reunions with executives to change this to a more friendly model
They've already said it, they will have these issues fixed in time, the community just has to be patient, the issues aren't really that big of a deal anyway in the grand scheme of things it's all only customization stuff
The Duality of Halo Infinite man... This game, at its core, is awesome. There's no doubt about it. It's gameplay loop is just so spot on. 343 took Halo's OG gameplay designed and modernized it perfectly. The game is just so fun to play, yet, the progression, and LACK OF MAPS, MODES AND WEAPONS (did 343 completely forget about Halo 5), makes this launch very underwhelming. But well, if the core gameplay is 10/10, lack of content can just be fixed with future updates, right?
“If I can pay you money, then it’s not a beta” Someone needs to talk to the guys at star citizen. That shits been, and going to be in alpha for the foreseeable future…
@@jacob96014 Don't feel bad. I got a buddy who dumped 5 grand into it. He tried to get me onboard the scam too and while it looks cool, it's not cool enough to dump cash into.
one thing i'll never understand about modern gaming. how one can have ever increasing quality of detail in art and yet ever decreasing quality in stats and options.
How hard was it for them to Ctrl C and Ctrl V content from Halo 5 to Infinite Why are the placeholder icons for game modes infection but we can't play it
So many people are excusing the current progression and battle pass because 343 will “fix it later after hearing feedback”. They had an entire franchise to look back on. They know what good progression looks like. They chose to make it this way to incentivize spending. You don’t “accidentally” make your game a soul sucking grind. It was obviously planned ahead of time so later updates would look better by comparison.
They also turned a game that was utter shit into an amazing core halo experience after delaying it for a year. We can't really judge until release at december 8
What’s bizarre is that the art team heard our feedback from H5… and acted on it… so did the music, gameplay and sandbox team… So why wasn’t our feedback about H5’s lack of content listened to?
Hell they doubled down on having a bare bones launch. Infinite’s launch makes 5’s look reasonable. There is even less and even co-op is 6 months after release and that’s if it isn’t delayed again. Double the wait half the content
@@Rycotta Halo 4’s flood mode sucked, infected being restricted to only the weird ass flood spike that functioned like an energy sword made so many gamemodes impossible to make in customs.
@@samgee500 short vs long term satisfaction. In every shooter game there’s the short term satisfaction of getting a kill and seeing that +100 and cha ching sound, but there’s also long-term goals like “get to rank 10 in assault class to unlock the hellriegel” that gives the player a long-term goal to grind towards. Getting kills and outplaying people is a fun and enjoyable gameplay loop that Infinite excels at, but there’s basically zero incentives to grind towards that keep the player invested long-term
Pretty much. As someone who’s never played halo before I am blown away by how awesome this game is to me. But I do agree that the progression and customization needs to be amped up a bit
"You were supposed to destroy the sith not join them..." This is what exactly ran through my mind when I saw Infinite's store, ridiculous prices, and available Spartan customizations.
You know what I really hate? The last kind of good halo game I know of that ever released was Halo 4 on xbox 360. Infinite has some promising aspects but it feels like Halo had since then sold part of it's soul to live and get where it is now. These days it feels like everything is trying to replicate Fortnite's success, and by success I mean sales and storefront appearance.
Thank you for bringing attention to these issues Act Man, especially while progression & customisation have been the big topics of discussion right now. It's incredibly disappointing to see so many features outside of the online matchmaking and academy broken or simply lacking in content. I am glad Forge isn't out yet because it would of been a trainwreck in the games current state. I hope somebody at 343 sees this because it is a great video.
Battlefield 4 launched in a unplayable state back in 2013 just like the battlefield for 2021. There’s nothing new about it, but we let them get away with it the first 50 times soooooo…
It's really sad that we've haven't had a complete-package Halo game since Reach. What's really puzzling is the lack of a reason for NOT simply using the same system and UI MCC has currently... From what I can tell it's the same concept.
I think the reason why is because Microsoft put half $1 billion into this game. Plus the game got delayed last year which definitely harmed The Xbox series X release.
@@LUCAS420BLZ except when you can find a good portal server that gives you a sense of the feeling that you are playing BF3 but then the servers are either super choppy and laggy or you struggle to hit anything consistently because every match it’s like the sensitivity changes so one match I’m in BF3 set it to 20 works fine next match I’m in BF1942 and I have to set it to 10 or 15 and it’s just annoying like how did you take fans saying we want a new BF4 and make it so you have to adjust your settings ever match.
I think the lack of playlist options is all tied to the battle pass. They are purposely slowing down player progression. Some of the challenges to level up can easily be accomplished with the right game mode. 343 nipped it in the butt before it became a possibility.
Just more proof these "live service games" are unfinished piles or crap.. miss the good old days where you go to the store, buy the whole finshed game, and even purchase dlc which is COMPLETE..
Same... Sometimes I wonder if I'm bored of games because I'm getting older, or because games now are so underwhelming and bad. Can't remember the last time I've seen a fully finished game (this also includes single player). Greed is literally the downfall of humanity. Games, TV shows, movies are getting words by the year.
I remember buying Halo Reach on launch day in September 2010 and being absolutely overwhelmed by the ocean of content in the game available for only $60. Campaign, Firefight, Forge, Online Multiplayer, Custom Games and Theater were all there, and all of which seemingly had limitless options for players to customize their gaming experience to conform to how they wanted to play the game. With all of that content for that price, it was like Halo's equivalent to The Orange Box. It was wonderful, and it all worked flawlessly on day one without one single issue. A game releasing in that fashion today feels like a pipe dream, and it's not only depressing but surreal to see how dramatically industry standards - as well as how the industry values it's customers - have not only dwindled but seemingly driven off of a cliff. EDIT: I paused the video to write my original comment, and you literally make my point at 18:58.
I actually rented it the day of release, they were just putting the boxes in blockbuster so I decided to try it before buying, returned nex day to buy. But I think there is the answer, we payed 60dlls, this is free while they Beta Test the servers imho, also the scale of the game is several times bigger, also I bought the battlepass on day one and Im sitting at lvl 20 and the game isnt out yet, but it felt just about reach system, that thing was a pita to lvl as you progresed.
Honestly 343 should be ashamed. Delayed the game an wntire year and its still a shell compared to what Bungie delivered us. The fact that firefight isn't in at launch is actually shocking. Same with Forge. Same with Co-op campaign. This game must have been in absolute development hell
I've been out of gaming for at least 7 years, nothing has changed it's getting worse. Why people clamour to get a game on day 1 I'll never know, it's guaranteed to be unfinished. For any new game you're excited about, you should probably add at least 1 year on to the release date in your own mind since that is when all the features and bugs will be sorted out. If everyone did this instead of wanting early access to beta test games for companies, the developers would sort themselves out.
Ikr? Battlefield 2042 is just modernedized of every Battlefield that isn't Battlefield 1 or 5. And CoD vanguard is just modern warfare system and graphics in it. You can tell how ww2 CoD and vanguard are different.
"It's free to play quit complaining!" Yeah, that's a valid excuse for any game that's not triple A, they've had plenty of time/resources and experience to get this done. I'm tired of the excuses everyone keeps giving, gaming is never gonna get better if we just bend over backwards and let them get away with all this bs. I wish the rest of the game was as good as its graphics and gameplay, cuz clearly there was alot of effort put in and it is amazing, but it's plain idiotic how they've done this 3 times in a row.
@@thebeast6494 1. What does Flight Simulator have to do with anything? 2. I couldn't care if it was made by Atari with the budget of a shoelace, cheese sandwich and two bricks; the product should work out of the box.
Free 2 play is a scam. Sure you dont have a upfront cost. But instead need to put in extra time grinding to unlock things. Am i the only one that would rather pay 30bucks for a game, and not have to do soul crushing daily play and time wasting challenges to to unlock anything?
People like to pretend F2P means they make less money when that couldn't be any further from the truth. I guarantee they made more from the battle pass alone than they would have charging $60 for the game.
When talking about the lack of game modes, I think it's worth remembering this game was delayed a whole year. Just what game would there even had been back then? Just boggles the mind
There's no excuse for releasing games in an incomplete form. Again, games are pretty much the only product that you're allowed to release A. Broken and/or B. Missing key features, and it's just accepted as standard now. It's never acceptable, games should be released complete and in working condition or not released. This is why I hardly ever buy new games any more.
I think the best way to explain this game's current status is that it's better than Battlefield 2042 and COD Vanguard, but setting the bar that low doesn't do it any favors.
1. Instant gratification and greed from publishers 2. Started around when Fortnite and PUBG was released to an entirely new generation of gamers who completely misunderstood the concept of patience Publishers nowadays wrongly believe gamers want video games in our hands as quickly as possible (and we do, but some of us don’t understand that doing this will create more problems later on down the road - enter Halo: Infinite), so they put a shit ton of pressure on the developers to create unfinished products only to release those very same products on day one stringing us gamers along thinking we’ll be happy with new content released every few months which developers originally intended to release _on_ day one. If that makes sense…
I believe it first started in the early 2010s with games like sonic free riders and ride to hell retribution that released unfinished. Or it first started when “beta” and “early access” became mainstream
9:05 - The reason why they focus on player retention... is to have as many "attention events" as possible. Instead of "one big launch" and then just smaller updates, they want to have a "huge event" for each "piece" they can launch as this causes people to re-get back into a game versus losing focus. It's 100% intentional to keep people talking/thinking about it, instead of "well, players don't like so much content." They KNOW players do, and want to merely maximize the number of "new content" events for a game to get more eyes on it more often.... Which fucking pisses me off. I wanted halo 3 level of quality, content, and then have 60% available at launch to choose, and then the rest as unlocks and then have them release NEW stuff that hasnt been in halo / in past games, and then improve on the foundation. They apparently don't give a shit about halo being the face of xbox / microsoft gaming, and want to instead focus on max profits at the expense of game quality / player satisfaction. They can't even beat a 2007 game... fucking sad.
Yep. And the most ironic part of it all is that these "huge events" haven't done shit for actually revitalizing the dismal player population. Season 2 finally launched a couple weeks ago after a long-awaited six months, and the small boost in player count that it brought has already completely evaporated. The average player count on Steam for the month of May is looking to be almost exactly the same as the average population for March (a dismal 6.3k btw)
I fear that the reason games don’t give players the freedom to play the game the way they want is because they can’t monetize something when they can’t control what we do or how we do it. The more choice they give the players, the less likely their choice will be to pay money for things they should already have.
Titanfall 2 when it created its monetization system didn't restrict players at all. There were so many free camos and options to customize. The monetization just gave players more of what they already had like camos and cooler looking titans. It didn't restrict customization at all which is why I spent an extra $20 on store items on top of the cost of the game because of how good it was. Game companies don't realize that if monetization is shit then you don't want to buy anything , but if its good then you want to buy more items because its worth the price.
@@dewitnow1765 it ain't for us. It's for little kids dude. Aint nobody over 16 shilling out money for that kind of stuff. Obv it's making them money or they'd stop
Dude blaming Microsoft instead of 343 for anything is like blaming Google instead of TH-cam the distinction is irrelevant since 343 is just a subsidiary of Microsoft
@@andrewlynch4126 that is a horrible comparison. this is exactly what happens to call of duty. I doubt its actually microsoft that makes those decisions directly though its likley the guy at xbox that manages Bethesda, 343, ubisoft (i think?), etc... and that guy likley mostly reports to microsoft and microsoft likley would only tell him things to avoid and any trends that should be implemented
@@themindfulmoron3790 I never blamed the rank and file employees of 343, or do you think 343 doesn’t have executives? Lol There is no point distinguishing between 343 and Microsoft because 343 will never be separated from Microsoft (unless they sell them for some reason) and 343’s job first and foremost is to do as Microsoft says, that’s for better or worse how the world works
@@hemmhumm5182 Man, that sucks seeing complaining about 40-55 FPS when my ass here is stuck gaming on consoles that usually run games at 30 or lower most of the time. I'd be happy to have 40 to 55 FPS in my games any day
@@CarvedStones Halo lacked a better progression system, 60Hz servers, multi platform, Legacy Browser, much larger players in games, and you had to pay Xbox Live (and campaign isnt Multiplayer) Two different games with two different play styles, both top tier era of multiplayer shooter gaming
@@aspinnycracker Halo’s progression system was great, it was tied to achievements and progression to unlock more customization options, something infinite is lacking really bad, halo 3 and reach servers weren’t that bad when they came out, unfortunately there wasn’t any browser back then but it didn’t stop the growth of custom games of 3 & Reach. That’s just how it was back then, also coop is multiplayer wdym.
@@aspinnycracker Halo infinite still lacked and lacks basic features that makes up a halo game, the fact it came a year later was stupid. Even coop is still broken, multiplayer is still not fun, custom games is the only thing keeping the game alive. It’s been very lackluster for Halo Infinite.
I just can’t believe we went away from pre game lobbies and game modes that were just honestly FUN. I really miss playing juggernaut, infection and action sack in reach. That game really had the community build their multiplayer up.
INFECTION, you could add two background orbs that would have this red haze on everyone's screen like infection stuff. Then have a room almost blocked off by wooden pellets and such so they were break able. People turn, infected break in, more turn!
Infected/Infection is the best game mode in FPS, you can't change my biased mind, it taps in to your primal side, especially when youre the final one, the dopamine cannot be compared to other modes
"Modern Gaming" has the problem of babying people too much. They don't have post or pre-game lobbies because someone MIGHT say something mean. They don't show stats because someone might get discouraged about being "bad" instead of getting better. They don't allow big power weapons or vehicles as often or grant power to the oddball or flag carrier because that would mean someone gets to have "more fun". It is the slowly homogenizing, bland, vanilla gaming experience everyone has so someone doesn't have a slightly negative experience. Because that would mean less engagement according to their souless corporate executive/psychologist rats.
Coming home after a very busy day at work, sir down to play for a while to chill, get completely destroyed by some 12 year old grinding all day long and I can't do anything. I genuinely cannot find time to grind like "gamers".
Modern day gaming is becoming too greedy and low effort, we need another gaming crash to wipe out these awful game publishers and send these executives to early retirement.
I think the term “modern gaming” is a gross oversimplification. Plus, a gaming crash taking out publishers would also heavily impact developers themselves, which would not be great; no one likes losing their jobs
I’m gonna go ahead and say Act Man probably didn’t get advance access to the campaign from 343 because of his honest takes like this. I’m sure the last thing they want right before launch is a content creator doing anything but worshiping their product
For me personally, the only issues I’ve having with the beta is the progression and Battlepass, other than that, I’ve been having a lot of fun with this game
I’m 99% certain at this point that the reason these games launch with so little content is so they can have constant updates to stay in the headlines while not having to work as hard. I don’t think they already have the content developed and are withholding it, but they can put the same overall effort but stretch it out over the course of an entire game’s lifespan rather than just at launch. I hate this games as a service model.
It seriously breaks my heart when they littleraly could have just copied any of the older menus and still have a better product than Infinite's matchmaking. Not to mention the options.
The 'Party Up' feature from halo 3 is the reason why I have as many online friends as I do. It was cool playing consecutive games with a random group because you could build chemistry or rivalries with those people and explore more of the game in different ways. It's sad to see that it hasn't really been implemented since. After playing the game, I feel as though the package has arrived but I'm still waiting for what I ordered.
The issue that impacts me the most is the lack of co-op campaign, you're telling me halo, one of the best co-op games to play with friends, isn't gonna have what is probably the best feature that has been in all halo games during the launch?
@@jacksonpavlich8198 they said they didn’t know how to make it open world with two players you know? Like can one player be miles away from the other player? I can see why it’s hard to implement but they should have thought about is like idk maybe 4 years ago
@@bullymaguire4640 that is definitely something they should have thought of when they decided to commit to the open world, it's sad that 343 seems to regress in some way shape or form for every game they have released, i'm glad it at least feels good to play right now
Yeah I won't be buying the campaign until we get multi-player. Knowing developers these days I bet you 💰 that the date for coop gets pushed back Edit:just got to the part in the video stating coop and forge has been delayed again
“None of these decisions make any sense.” That’s honestly the theme for the whole company at 343 for me. Like, don’t get me wrong. They clearly prioritized the core gameplay and campaign over everything else, and it payed off. Infinite feels like a true to successor to Halo 3 and Reach. But this company’s decisions are just so bizarre and baffling. And a lot of times they LITERALLY provide NO REASON for those decisions. They just make the decision just for the sake of it. For example, like when they decided to remove Jeff’s kill announcements from BTB. Sketch talked about it in a video and literally said something along the lines of “everyone has noticed Jeff’s announcements are missing in BTB….BTB is a little different in halo infinite”……… WHY?! It doesn’t make any sense to take out something like that, that is literally a core part of what makes Halo….Halo. And they have made so many decisions like that and have given similar responses (or no response) which you have clearly pointed out in this video. And I’m not trying to be super negative either! 343 has done a kickass job with infinite! They have really revitalized the franchise. I just don’t understand some of the decisions like removing Jeff, not being able to choose which game type I want to play, etc. And I don’t understand how Reach had way more stuff at launch and had half the development time. Infinite has had double the development time. Just doesn’t make any sense. 343 just needs to keep us in the loop a little bit more and explain the rationale behind their decisions.
Yes, Bungie's Halo: Reach is the gold standard for Halo multiplayer. When I bought Reach on Steam for the Master Chief Collection, I was sorely disappointed with the lack of content that was standard when Bungie was running the show... and don't even get me started on the horrific sound system. I promptly uninstalled it shortly after and haven't gone back. For me, Halo ended with Bungie's version of Reach. Everything after is a pale imitation of its former self.
I agree. My biggest takeaway is why did you spend all those years perfecting MCC to just not include any of the basics into this game? If it is design, that's pitiful. If it is you didn't have time, what have you been doing for 6 years? It's not like your the largest or most funded studio of one of the largest tech companies in the world.
Couldn’t have said it better. 6 years in the making for a whopping 3 playlists, no forge, broken theater and broken custom games. And countless other glitches. I can’t wrap my brain around it
I'm just kinda perplexed. Bungie seemed to have a serious time crunch for most of the games they made, but still released feature complete games. 343 had a few years and they can't even release a complete multiplayer. Really hoping the campaign is overwhelmingly good and shows just where a lot of their effort went.
I do agree that's no excuse to release the game prematurely, I know there's a holiday deadline they need to push through and they need both MP and SP before the end of the year. But it just feels wrong to see how a game with this much potential is prematurely released. Just hoping the devs get enough break after this final stretch and can deliver us improvements next year.
1:Gaming development has changed a lot, whether it’s because of technology (like the slip space engine) or today’s industry 2: A worldwide pandemic? 3: I believe most of the resources went to campaign, especially after the E3 demo way back when
I agree that most of the content in Infinite is great, and that its flaws mostly relate to what is still missing. However I do think there are some things in the game that are pretty bad. My main gripe is that the game's many announcers gas you up way too much, to the point where it's kinda cringe. There are THREE separate “announcers”: BUTLR (basically Jarvis from Ironman), “Announcer” (the classic one we all know and love) and your Spartan teammates. And good lord, they do not miss an opportunity to compliment you for doing literally anything. Get one kill with a BR and BUTLR goes “You’re quite lethal with that thing!”. Get an assist and one of your spartan teammates will say “you did some damage!”. In my opinion, this is WAY too much verbal praise, and it comes off as goofy and disingenuous. Even condescending at times. Reign it in, 343; You don’t need to tell me I’m awesome every five seconds. The Announcer saying “Killing Spree” is all the hype I need. However, if they insist on keeping the teammate commentary in, they need to at least add a delay to their voicelines. As it is now, the voicelines play so quickly after you do something that it’s uncanny. Like your squad starts talking you up before you even have time to realize that you hit your shot. Once you notice how awkward the announcers are, you can never un-notice it. Idunno if anyone else noticed this or got annoyed by it, maybe it's just me. But personally I couldn't help but laugh at how silly they sound. Also, some of the awards need to have their voicelines removed. The new “Perfect!” award voiceline is something that you’re pretty much guaranteed to hear WAY TOO MUCH when using the BR (unless you suck with it lol). It plays whenever you 3-burst someone, which really ain’t that deserving of a voiced award.
I didn’t really get annoyed by it. The only AI that annoyed me was the pyramid one. He says a corny or (even though I hate saying this word) cringy line every time you do something in the game
Remember that this game was meant to come out LAST YEAR, if people didnt call out the problems there would have been a big chance this game would dead by this time and proclaimed to be another huge 343 blunder
The worst part of this conversation is if the game releases like this on dec 8 and it suffers a lot of people leaving the game early, all those streamers are going to control the narrative and claim it’s because of no battle royal. They are without a doubt are going to use Halo Infinite’s current issues to propel their issues with the game and cheer that they were right, when they couldn’t be more wrong.
Reach's customisation and unlocks are IMO the pinnacle of how you implement that sort of thing, I want to unlock armour pieces at my leisure, and truly design my Spartan dolly my way and know that mine is, for the most part, unique to most. In Reach, this is just me, I liked to tell a story when customising my Spartan, especially for the fact that that's also how you looked in the campaign; I was amazed that I could add prosthetic limbs straight out of the box in Infinite.
@@slimerewoods5766 Not talking about the grind, talking about the rewards and variety or customisation on release, and the act of unlocking what you wanted (granted once you reached milestones) when you wanted. Infinite is like, yeh basic armour or battle pass content which makes you look like every other wanker. Obviously you would want a fair xp reward system with what I'm saying, but even Halo 4 carried that shit over.
@@slimerewoods5766 no, and when did they change things? From what I remember the grind was reasonable up until like Brigadier, and 343’s title updates are what caused it’s population to drop off.
@@Tomn8er Brigadier and General were the ones that came just before the special ranks, after General Grade 4 was Field Marshall, Hero, Legend, etc. Eclipse was when it got stupidly grindy, it wasn’t even the half way point at 8.5mil credits (Inheritor required 20mil), yet there were only 4 more ranks after it. I only got to Hero, which is at 3.7mil, not even a quarter of the way.
You hit the nail on the head, man. Everyone is mad about the store and I'm like "why can't I just see my stats in Waypoint or anywhere else? Why is it just a fucking ad for the battlepass, when all I wanna see is my K/D?"
Tbh, I don’t mind that as much as half the other things. Being a casual player, I find it annoying when some really competitive player looks at my K/D and starts calling me out for the rest of the match because I’m slightly under 1.0. Happened a few times in Rainbow Six Siege. I got kicked by my own teammates because I had “a bad K/D”, in a CASUAL match, not even ranked. But that game’s community is so toxic I shouldn’t even be surprised… That’s just my personal experience with K/D ratios. I totally get why some people want to have it back though since it’s the main stat in every FPS game.
@@AttakusZakus Yup. It’s pretty pathetic to get kicked from a casual match just because my K/D is inferior to theirs. I forgot to mention I was playing with my friend during those times and he obviously had to leave as well since they kicked me. Ironically enough, his K/D is worse than mine
@@SilverGeFer hey man, as a life long R6 player and Halo player, I understand how toxic the community can get just for seeing something as little as how much time you have spent on the game. I have a pretty alright K/D in R6, so I never got shitted on too much for it, but I have encountered plenty of matches where other players were shit talking each other for their K/D. I don’t think it would make Halo Infinite better by following that model, however I think it should at least be shown in Halo Waypoint to the individual or something, just so they know how they are performing and stuff like that.
It's depressing that all this happened a year ago. It's been so long since I played halo infinite that at this point I'm just waiting for Halo 7 to release
Halo vs COD pre 2011: "which one is better?" Halo vs COD post 2011: "which one is worse?" It shouldn't be this way. Technology is more advance and understood now more than ever yet older games worked better and had more. No excuses!
@@yellow_x522 couldn't agree more. I feel like it's a human culture thing rather than even an industry thing. Almost every industry I pay attention to is either going down the same path.
Another factor of "Modern Gaming" that has plaguing us as of late has been this idea of making the game less "competitive " and less "toxic" by removing things that make you able to compare yourself with other people ie: Death counters, Scoreboards, Levels, KDRs , Ranks, and the like. The actions of game companies to make their games more appear casual or less toxic whichever it may be, are removing parts of games that I see as vital to keeping players going as the watch themselves improve over time. Luckily Halo Infinite has seemingly been one of the games least affect by this but its still concerning for its future. The lack of stats visible on launch plus this new trend in modern games makes me really worried.
Making games less "toxic" is just an excuse to begin with. If shitty players can't see how shitty they are, they're less likely to quit playing altogether and might still be around to spend money on micro-transactions. Thats the real reason for all the anti-scoreboard and anti-K/D bias you see, everything else is just window dressing to lure in the support of the kind of morons who'd actually fall for the "anti-toxicity" shtick.
Couldnt have said it better myself bro, a high % of players play the game for stats to make it more competitive between themselves and their friends, it also gives you a reason to keep playing the game long after its release because youre playing towards something other than cosmetics and challenges that eventually have no appeal. Stats and leaderboards are essential to online multiplayer gaming these clowns need to wake up or they will lose plenty of customers.
From my experience, its the opposite, atleast for games like CoD. SBMM is literally a ranking system without the ranks. It doesnt protect new people or bad players because as those people get better they get put against harder enemies, so they can't tell if they are getting better/doesn't get rewarded for getting better, instead they get punished. When SBMMWZ was up I was in top 2% lobbies ALL. THE. TIME. I only have a 2KD and don't really bother with the meta etc, but because I can still get around 2KD I will be in those lobbies forever, even though the vast majority of the people in there are only using meta, know everything about the map, never miss a shot. Yes, I can do all of this if I sweat, but the thing is I just wanna have a chill game with the boys, not be sweating all the time. They remove things like scoreboards etc, but that doesn't mean the games aren't competitive. They are more competitive than ever, to a point that comp CSGO is more chill to me than an average game of WZ or Vanguard. Like, when I played Infinite, I genuinely thought I was against bots for the first 10 matches because the lobbies where actually varied. Mostly average, some bad, some good. It was fun unlike the constant sweatfest of other games. It felt like good old times in CoD golden age.
I would love to see a breakdown of what the MP team have been doing the last 6 years. I cant figure it out, I'd be embarrassed to be part of this development team honestly, imagine being given thst much time and money and the best you can do isn't even a quarter of the content Halo 3 and Reach had. Hell, Halo 4 and Halo 5 were better at this stage.
Halo 4 and 5 were barely even halo games. I'd rather have a solid game and get more content later on compared to half ass baked gameplay with more content
This game is very solid, the gameplay is amazing the only complaints people has is the progression which they have legitimately made multiple fixes on. And the lack of maps does suck but they’re definitely adding more
@@wheeleel6961 I agree I love the gameplay, probably the best Halo has ever been. I'm more pissed about goimg through through Halo 5 launch cycle again thats all.
My theory for the inability to choose more specific mode playlists is that 343 wanted to make it artificially more difficult for players to complete battle pass challenges. Like you can’t win 3 CTF matches if you can’t get into a CTF match. Therefore, you’re more likely to purchase level skips out of frustration.
Or it's just a beta and they're allowing you to play what they need you to play in order to address the most pressing issues before launch, like most other Halo betas that came before it.
I honestly don’t understand it and wish someone could explain it to me. AAA games have bigger budgets than ever, bigger teams of developers than ever and some of them are given more time than ever to be made and yet... they launch technically deficient, content dry, their features are released piecemeal over months. I just don’t understand. Why is the gaming industry going backwards so rapidly?
Publishers releasing a developer’s game got greedy over the past 10-15 years, forcing developers to have games released in small portions because the publishers know the current generation (Gen-Z) has the attention span of a gnat, always wanting something new, something immediate. The publishers know (and prey upon) today’s current generation of gamers who often make rash decisions and spend money they don’t need to be spending, making those publishers unnecessarily rich.
@@hcs4life21 because game developers dont hire based on talent anymore, they fill diversity quotas, unless you have blue hair and are trans the likely-hood of you getting a job is about 1 in 100. for real though, i know a friend who is black and indian and was told by a big game developer that they arent hiring men at the moment.
Something else to add, investors will invest more money in a company that has continuous growth. Investors only want to see those numbers rise, so releasing games in smaller chunks at the same price (if not more expensive) and prolonging the lifespan of the game prolongs the revenue gained from just one product alone.
Honestly one of my biggest issues is just that the UI is so cluttered and confusing. Why is it so hard to just put things out where it's easy to find them instead of nesting them in a 3-4 menus? The lack of lobbies is also a big question mark. To me, it seems like a lot of the decision making that went into the design of Halo Infinite was corrupted by the sheer volume of single match battle royale games, so questions of lobbies and game modes just completely smoothed over because no one thought to add them due to their absence literally everywhere else for the last decade basically.
Honestly, I just hate the fact that you don’t get Xp for kills and playing the objective, like I dislike how you can only do challenges to get Xp and rank up, like I can drop a 20 bomb, without doing any challenges and not get any Xp. Like I think it’s really annoying that you aren’t rewarded for doing well in the game even if you aren’t doing challenges.
As soon as I saw the battle-pass, I was like “Ah s**t here we go again,” because this is what I’ve come to expect from gaming these days. They want you to grind endlessly and barely get anywhere so that you give in and spend money. Can we just leave this s**t in the past please? I would much rather have to work for my unlocks with a fair progression system, like Ghost of Tsushima, which released a multiplayer mode for free and no micro-transactions to be found.
This Is 1 reason why when people debate "golden age" of gaming I always say the cutoff Is *before* the start of 7th gen , because that's when online console gaming really went mainstream and DLC/Microtransactions/Patches took off , and the pros never outweighed the cons. This Is a greedy paradise for devs , the big 3 and most of their devs are never struggling for profits the way they make gullible gamers think they are , they're making money hand over fist with constant streams of revenue and purposely designing games like this , and this trend Is NEVER going to stop now because It's too much money being made and way too easy to manipulate. Newer gamers are so conditioned they won't care or protest these practices , they're already too Invested buying what they should've had for free.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 I swear dude, Activision is the worst company on the planet when it comes to this mindset. They try to be safe and “SJW friendly 🤢🤮” when in actuality, they are probably the worst place in the industry for equality. Have you heard about all the cases surrounding these scumbags? It’s ridiculous!
@@fawkkyutuu8851 not only do newer gamers not care, ive seen them defend this practice unironically which is fucking mind-boggling. And it's cross genre, fps to MMO people can't get enough of these microtransactions
I love this game. I really do, it’s the most fun I’ve had on Halo multiplayer in years. But not being able to see something as simple as my player statistics is extremely saddening. I want to see how good I’m doing and how good everyone else is doing. To see a history of my medals, my skill level history, all that stuff. I’m a semi-competitive person and I love to see how I’m doing. I hope they add it and that when they do it remembers everything from before it gets patched in. I’ll be very disappointed otherwise, and I think a lot of people will be too.
I remember when fps games had leaderboards even.... Now bf2042 doesn't even have an in-game score board because I guess they are afraid people in 2021 get their feefees hurt.....
Hey Act Man, we’re going to need another update on this with the recent community manager posts about cheating in game, playlist issues, etc. It’s not looking good for Halo at the moment unfortunately.
To be fair, that’s OLD bungie New bungie is nowhere near as good as old bungie was, but I’m hoping they can finally get on track when witch queen releases for destiny, I want that game to be good again…
It's not a beta for the multiplayer, it's a beta for the microtransactions store to see how much 343 can get away with charging players for the colour blue.
Majority of gamers are dumb asses will buy anything thrown at them, it's why we still can pay for the color blue, it's an extreme minority that call this out.
Halo Infinite has some of the most solid gameplay mechanics I’ve ever seen in a shooter, but it’s so frustrating to see the blunders that this game has made
@@interstellarpostman5430 FUCKING RIGHT THO? The one game where we actually play as a Spartan III, the one game where we can use invisibility at will, and they don’t add SPI to it, like wtf?
The Stockholm syndrome of people justifying this freemium skin system. We are pretty much getting less content when you factor in the $60 for the campaign and the amount of money they stand to make from the micro transactions. Ask yourself this, if the multiplayer was included with the $60 campaign, but still had the paywall for the skins it has, would that change your opinion?
Young people seem especially willing to defend corporations. I don't understand it. Maybe it really is Stockholm syndrome. Or they don't recall gaming before all the bs started.
They MUST return game chat and player lists in the lobbies. Being able to check out what other players have done with their characters is what makes personalisation so enjoyable.
I don't disagree with your points at all and if we had anything close to reach's launch it would be fantastic. Love or hate the reach sandbox it was the most content rich halo on launch. Nowadays we're lucky halo still has a scoreboard
"if people want to just play slayer why don't you let them", You're forgetting that battle pass progression is tied to mode-specific challenges, which are harder to get if you can't choose your modes, motivating purchases of boosters in the shop.
In conclusion: He loves the game, he's just pissed he is going to have to wait for them to play test and patch the game, but it's awesome and he loves it. The problem Act man has and i shared this problem is that we grew up with the notion that when you buy a game, you bought a complete version with all the content already on the disk. I unfortunately I overcame my nostalgia and my dark, jaded heart no long feels excitement and wonder for gaming. Act man still has that innocent, hopeful kid in his heart, problem is it keeps breaking every time he gets let down or disgruntled by the decisions of greedy publishers or lazy developers. I feel so sorry for my two baby boys, gaming is going to be so inferior in 10 years, im going to be the old guy saying "In my day gaming was etc etc"
Pretty much. Indie or small dev team titles are really the only fun games being put out lately. Everything from AAA studios is garbage. Anytime there’s 7-figure executive salaries to pay and shareholders to please, you can pretty much guarantee the game will be ass. Just look at 2042 lmao
Gaming will be fine as long as the devs pick up the slack for once. Its not the gamers fault, its the devs fault for being lazy and not considering the important stuff that make a game last for a long time.
“Bought the complete version.” Problem with that here is… you didn’t buy shit. The game is free in terms of multiplayer, meaning, you actually have not spent a dime and you have lost nothing. This in no way makes the game invulnerable to criticism, it does however dampen that criticism as the price for entry here is incredibly low if non existent as it’s only your time, and you can come back at any point once the issues you have with the product are fixed.
The game modes are definitely the biggest letdown for me, they definitely missed a lot of little stuff like looking down and being able to see your legs when running but the fact that there is no king of the hill infection action sack is crazy to me
The problem is, not everyone thinks like you. Allot of people who criticize games literally just wanna see the company burn. Constructive criticism isn't in there vocabulary. Look at Cyberpunk 2077. Nobody was trying to save that game. Everyone attacked them to the point it set development back into limbo. They were even hacked and threatened. Now there's practically no hope for that game ever being finished. The "critics" killed that game.
Honestly, I had blast with Halo Infinite. I don't care about Forge. I don't care about Custom Games. I care about coming home after a hard day at work and just having fun in one or two games. And seeing the community just become a festering pile of "critics" (whining b*tches, in another language), I am going to refund the game on Steam. I have too much bullshit in my real life, to deal with a bunch of whining kids on internet, instead of actually enjoying the game.
@@J_Warral good for you guy. Just because you don't care, there's thousands that do care about those game modes. The point is to attract all these players, not alienate them.
Great to see people that have a larger audience finally speaking up on this. Zanny HiddenXperia Critical Nobody MintBlitz BloodThirstyLord MrMattyPlays and now you. I've been playing Halo for 20 years, and right now I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt Infinite needs a lot of changes to be considered even slightly consumer friendly/content rich. After their complete disregard for some of the feedback they ASKED FOR a lot of my friends have straight up sworn off Halo, and as much as it saddens me I can't blame them. Making the game free to play was just an excuse to force the game to have as much monetization and slow time-gated progression as they want. The gameplay is good, everything else feels like a fuckin Apple Store mobile game. Calling the game a Beta when its been developed for several years is dishonest at best; it's literally just a shield to avoid as much criticism as they can.
Also the fact that the “Slipspace engine” is a completely new from the ground up system isn’t true either, it’s an optimized, heavily modified Blam engine (from available info). In some of the early flights you’d even sometimes get weird Halo 3 / Reach type animations of a character falling in place waving their arms (you’d know it if you saw it). It’s baffling it’s taken so many years for it just to come out in such a barebones state.
Zanny's video made me laugh a lot "Pardon me sir, I couldn't help but notice that you went to capture objective A despite having tactical disadvantage. I believe that would be considered poor decision making..."
The game play isn't even that good honestly, the fact that you can walk through teammates as well as most enemies is unacceptable in a game that has such a melee system as this, which also is only seems to work half the time. The radar barely covers any distance around you so when people can just sprint around the map that makes no sense, it's like it's intentional to disguise how small most of the maps actually are in reality.
What continuously blows my mind about 343 and every Halo mp theyve released is how it never launches with all the modes etc. Bungie used to release complete games every time did they not? If im wrong and I probably am overlooking something, like maybe forge for REACH, please explain in a reply. So how the hell can 343 take all this time and never have a complete game released? At least when it comes to mp modes. The last time I remember playing Halo mp every day and actually enjoying it was when I was late to the world of Halo with the purchase of Halo 3. Ever since then I havent even enjoyed mp enough to play it after trying Halo 4, which is the last Halo I ever bought a copy of as well. I just can't believe that Phil Spencer or Matt Booty or whoever the hell is in charge, has allowed 343 to handle their flagship title the way they have for 3 mainline entries with every single one being a shit show from the start. I think the biggest travesty was the Halo 5 campaign. That writer shouldn't be able to write children's books about farting let alone one of the biggest franchise's in the history of franchises.
One thing I think you forgot to mention this frustrating is some.of the weekly challenges are tied to certain game modes, so when you que and get slayer over and over its quite frustrating.
Exactly. Last week was a nightmare for me. But I already completed my weekly challenges like two days ago because I had the time and they were pretty easy to do. Now I can’t really do anything. I hope they update the progression at least by launch.
@@tommot5100 my friends and I had to swap out the strongholds challenge because we had played literally for 3 days and didn't get a single strongholds map
The most annoying thing for me is that when I join BTB with a full fire team we never get put in the same “squad”. I end up with randoms and it’s so hard to find my friends in the giant maps.
It's still a Beta so I'm sure it'll be fixed when it officially comes out. I don't like it either but all we can do is be patient and see the final product
@@ispgravy4233 If it really does turn out to be the final product, I'm going to be furious lol. I don't know why I keep giving 343 the benefit of the doubt, they haven't done anything right the entire time they've owned the franchise.
The battle pass and progression really turned me off to the direction Halo's multiplayer is headed and I can't shake this feeling that the story is going to be lackluster. I hope it isn't, but these past few years of games haven't given me much confidence.
"It's to misleading call this a beta when they say it has all the modes and maps" Technically beta means feature complete, but I get what you mean. Thanks to CoD beta is now just another word for demo and it's also interchangeable with alpha...This is why we shouldn't teach marketing execs new words.
@Trade Bum Simmons It means exactly that, generally you don't release a beta, at least in it's proper and traditional form. The monetized version would be the final build.
When Halo 3 was on its way, Bungie released a Beta version of Halo 3, completely free for those who bought the game Crackdown. Of which they took feedback from the Beta build to improve Halo 3. Of which when Halo 3 was released it was the game in a complete state.
I really hope that this is a miscommunication error and they actually have at least half of the missing game modes ready for Dec 8th and that's the reason it came earlier. However, I think we all know that's not gonna happen.
If they couldn’t make basic ass modes that literally anyone can edit together in 5 minutes in the 6 years it took them to make this, I seriously doubt they’ll have it out in the next 2 weeks.
My guess is 343 knew they nailed the gameplay, hooked everyone in with the beta and then released the trap once you all got into the full game. It's actually quite clever. Game companies know what their fans are saying/asking for, they hear it, they just don't care and know if they play their cards right they'll still be able to fool you. And in this case, they got ya again. They gave you the illusion of listening to the fans, and used that to their advantage.
There are some SERIOUSLY conspiracy-minded people out there suggesting that the game was made to be as economically bad as possible? People need to stop assuming the worst
I firmly believe the reason modern games are lackluster in content is because the dev team is forced to put their attention to the monetization aspect of the game and work with their hands tied. Older games didn't have to worry about this, there was no 'live service', it's killing the game industry.
@@Peniche94 it’s not capitalism it’s the player base. If morons keep buying micro transactions and battle passes whilst praising the game of course 343 and Microsoft are going to take your money. If monies flying around you’re Gunna grab it
Capitalism isn't intrinsically the issue, it's the low education level of the consumer base. I don't know if people used to be smarter with their money, but certainly they've never been dumber with it.
This comment section is so based. I’ve been saying this everywhere and people literally cuss me out and nut hug multi million dollar corporations over me saying it’s unethical to charge money for the color white in a video game.
remember when there was no battlepass in any games? it was just.. the game, and whatever dlc came out later down the road... remember enjoying the game itself and not the shitty unlocks each battlepass gives, well I do..
The game itself is really fun, but the #1 thing me and my friend were excited for was team doubles. We've literally playing team doubles together since we were 8 now we're 22
343 during the November 19th stream essentially implied that they wanted more freedom of customization, but wete limited by Microsoft. I don't think developers are necessarily like putting such restrictions in there games like this. Normally when it's monetization, we should look more towards the publishers rather than developers.
There is some serious malicious things going on behind the scenes in the name of monetization. Its the publishers making the games worse all for money.
@@chrisd2004 Understand though, the people making big decisions like monetization are NOT the people making the game, but the people in charge of people that are making it. Developers are following orders.
It takes the blood from under my nails when devs "budget cut" features that take 5 minutes to make to ensure the rest of the game "will be better". ESPECIALLY when then 1/4 things about the game is still broken! Looking at you, Halo 5 theater, Halo Infinite Customs, And MCC launch!!!
Theres a huge glaring problem with the customization because they said it would be free battle pass and they said they were "player first" it's very disappointing bc most of the customization is practically locked behind a paywall. I wish the customization was atleast like MCC
7:28 This is exactly why I’ve been playing 5+ year old games for a while now. I’m just done waiting for games to get better progressively. However, since it’s Halo, I have to play it day one.
@@moneyball32 just recently I dug out my Xbox 360 and PS2 and have been having a blast playing the games of those days. It’s also nice to see that Microsoft added some more games to their lineup of BC, even if it is the last batch to be added. Been replaying the Max Payne trilogy and loving every moment of it.
My friends ask me why I play older games, and this is why. So sick of playing unpolished, barren new titles, and waiting for them to get updates to fix them. This may not apply to the single player game industry that much, but so many multiplayer games nowadays never surpass like five modes. Some games only have one, and that's BR.
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This is part 1 of 2 videos on Halo Infinite's multiplayer and I had to make one on everything that's NOT in Halo Infinite before I could make a video on it's awesome gameplay and mechanics.
I saw a post on reddit that did a great job of explaining why there aren’t more modes in Halo Infinite and why you can’t choose what modes you play. If you have an Oddball challenge, then you have to queue and wait until you get an Oddball match to try and complete. It could be argued that the lack of modes/playlists is by design to FURTHER lengthen the time it takes to complete challenges.
Halo 5 launched with so little content because (in my opinion) it encouraged people to play Warzone, the game mode designed around loot boxes and overpowered weapons.
So again, the fucking monetization is responsible for yet ANOTHER Halo games abysmal variety of content at release
Reddit Post: www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r11nk7/not_being_able_to_choose_a_game_mode_is/
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I don’t mind paying for the battle pass when the game is free but I hate that 343 is allowing players to purchase their armor. While Halo 4’s multiplayer wasn’t enjoyable it at least had a sense of accomplishment when players earned their armor like Venator.
Keep the gameplay and include Reach’s progression system and Infinite would be perfect. Hopefully 343 sees the backlash and changes the leveling up system because the fact that someone in dead last gets the same +50xp as someone in first is hilarious.
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You can ram the enemy team harder than a gay train straight from Africa and both sides will still get 50 exp
The core gameplay and mechanics are utterly amazing. They nailed the hard part, but they're utterly flopping with such simple concepts like progression and customization
Blame Microsoft and the other people up top. I mean they were the ones getting 99% of the money that the microtransactions make the developers get very little of that money
It’s like the opposite that most modern shooters have, where their game play is usually tedious and boring but their progressions systems are deep and unique. Overall I still Love this game
Melee system sucks and like 1/3 of the weapons suck compared to other similar weapons such as the skewer vs the sniper
Thats on Microsoft, when they said its gonna take time to change this they meant its gonna take a lot of reunions with executives to change this to a more friendly model
They've already said it, they will have these issues fixed in time, the community just has to be patient, the issues aren't really that big of a deal anyway in the grand scheme of things it's all only customization stuff
The Duality of Halo Infinite man... This game, at its core, is awesome. There's no doubt about it. It's gameplay loop is just so spot on. 343 took Halo's OG gameplay designed and modernized it perfectly. The game is just so fun to play, yet, the progression, and LACK OF MAPS, MODES AND WEAPONS (did 343 completely forget about Halo 5), makes this launch very underwhelming. But well, if the core gameplay is 10/10, lack of content can just be fixed with future updates, right?
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Midnight..more like…MID
But yeah this game is kinda goofy
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It’s almost as if the lack of content is because it’s a beta.
Hot take but more weapons =/= better game. We saw severe weapon redundancy with Halo Reach and Halo 5. I like the tighter weapon sandbox
“If I can pay you money, then it’s not a beta”
Someone needs to talk to the guys at star citizen. That shits been, and going to be in alpha for the foreseeable future…
I used to think Star Citizen would just be a scam, but its at the point where they dont even need to exit scam now.
Its basically free revenue.
Cant believe i donated 150$ to that game. I got fucking jibbed.
@@jacob96014 how did you believe that? It was so obvious
@@jacob96014 Don't feel bad. I got a buddy who dumped 5 grand into it. He tried to get me onboard the scam too and while it looks cool, it's not cool enough to dump cash into.
@@jacob96014 I did 70$ and got it refunded 7 months later lol
one thing i'll never understand about modern gaming. how one can have ever increasing quality of detail in art and yet ever decreasing quality in stats and options.
Literally the easiest stuff, problems that have been solved 100 times.
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They are there, just not activated. It's for money grabbing at a later day when you are hooked.
Making new gameplay is risky and expensive.
How hard was it for them to Ctrl C and Ctrl V content from Halo 5 to Infinite
Why are the placeholder icons for game modes infection but we can't play it
So many people are excusing the current progression and battle pass because 343 will “fix it later after hearing feedback”.
They had an entire franchise to look back on. They know what good progression looks like. They chose to make it this way to incentivize spending. You don’t “accidentally” make your game a soul sucking grind. It was obviously planned ahead of time so later updates would look better by comparison.
if they fix it i wont care
getting to the heart of the issue
They also turned a game that was utter shit into an amazing core halo experience after delaying it for a year.
We can't really judge until release at december 8
How can they look at the other games when every halo game had a different progression system on how u unlock gear
The suits likely made them do this given the latest sketch tweet.
What’s bizarre is that the art team heard our feedback from H5… and acted on it… so did the music, gameplay and sandbox team…
So why wasn’t our feedback about H5’s lack of content listened to?
Hell they doubled down on having a bare bones launch. Infinite’s launch makes 5’s look reasonable.
There is even less and even co-op is 6 months after release and that’s if it isn’t delayed again.
Double the wait half the content
... so its still not ready then....
Guess I'll wait till spring....and play MCC
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@Dylan Beck Why can I buy things in a beta?
@Dylan Beck cant wait to see how poorly this comment ages
I miss the days when you unlocked armor through achievements, rank progression, and saving your credits like in Reach.
Overwatch player signing in to the pity party.
why does 343 always think infection isn’t a core mode and every year we basically complain so much they have to add it
Funny u say that considering halo 4 happened.
@@Rycotta Halo 4’s flood mode sucked, infected being restricted to only the weird ass flood spike that functioned like an energy sword made so many gamemodes impossible to make in customs.
@@Slender_Man_186 but it was still a 343 game mode made to be infection at launch. The point still stands, it doesn’t need to be good to exist.
@@Rycotta still less overall/more restrictive content than in previous releases.
@@Slender_Man_186 well it’s better then having absolutely nothing… at least they can fix and build it up unlike infinite with nothing at all.
The fact that there isn’t a progression system separate from the battle pass is a big problem
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Why? It doesn't affect gameplay.
@@samgee500 because people like to see progression when they play.
@@samgee500 not everybody has incredibly low standards like you bro.
@@samgee500 short vs long term satisfaction. In every shooter game there’s the short term satisfaction of getting a kill and seeing that +100 and cha ching sound, but there’s also long-term goals like “get to rank 10 in assault class to unlock the hellriegel” that gives the player a long-term goal to grind towards. Getting kills and outplaying people is a fun and enjoyable gameplay loop that Infinite excels at, but there’s basically zero incentives to grind towards that keep the player invested long-term
Actman in stream : holy shit this is amazing
Actman in youtube : it's bad
Pretty much. As someone who’s never played halo before I am blown away by how awesome this game is to me. But I do agree that the progression and customization needs to be amped up a bit
Just watch the vid, he said this vid will be more negative but he will make another one that will be more positive 2:17
The first few matches are great then you realize progression is trash
Of course. Negativity gets you views on TH-cam.
At its core it's fantastic, but there are serious problems that need fixing
"You were supposed to destroy the sith not join them..." This is what exactly ran through my mind when I saw Infinite's store, ridiculous prices, and available Spartan customizations.
It's literally a fucking Fortnite store
Remember when 5$ for blue was crazy
How times have changed
You know what I really hate? The last kind of good halo game I know of that ever released was Halo 4 on xbox 360. Infinite has some promising aspects but it feels like Halo had since then sold part of it's soul to live and get where it is now. These days it feels like everything is trying to replicate Fortnite's success, and by success I mean sales and storefront appearance.
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@@RaidenBiscuits not even, at least fortnite has good skins
Literally never get tired of listening to someone talk about Halo with the same level of passion that I and my friends have.
I plan to stick around a while 😉
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I miss paying for a game and getting a complete experience.
Well, you’re not paying anything for infinite and still getting a full experience.
@@lacman6159 you call this full?
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Point being that things were better when it wasn't f2p.
It's ALWAYS a better game when the player pays up front. Pay to play just makes more money for the company but degrades the gameplay.
@@s-w But the gameplay is the best it's ever been.
Thank you for bringing attention to these issues Act Man, especially while progression & customisation have been the big topics of discussion right now. It's incredibly disappointing to see so many features outside of the online matchmaking and academy broken or simply lacking in content. I am glad Forge isn't out yet because it would of been a trainwreck in the games current state. I hope somebody at 343 sees this because it is a great video.
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@Flare halo died with reach? 200+k concurrent players and their pro opener was their most popular stream ever. Gg
Dont forget crashing on pc on startup making it inplayable...
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Imagine if they didn’t delay the game.
@MetalHead4ever they should have delayed it until 2022.
@@MeowStationOrignal no, they would probably would have been killed in their sleep if they did
@MetalHead4ever pretty sure they made those first
They were going to release concept art last year lol.
@@Elitetiger27 thank you somebody gets this but I agree with this video there’s more wrong here.
well-said. modern game releases are a joke compared to only 4-5 years ago
Battlefield 4 launched in a unplayable state back in 2013 just like the battlefield for 2021. There’s nothing new about it, but we let them get away with it the first 50 times soooooo…
2016/17 were still notoriously bad years for monetizing tho.
@@murkage3 right - it's getting worse tho. back then they were testing the waters... now it's full-stop
That's was people used to said in those days
@@jesussilva201 sounds like what needs to be said is "games use to be good back in the early 2000s"
It's really sad that we've haven't had a complete-package Halo game since Reach.
What's really puzzling is the lack of a reason for NOT simply using the same system and UI MCC has currently... From what I can tell it's the same concept.
I think the reason why is because Microsoft put half $1 billion into this game. Plus the game got delayed last year which definitely harmed The Xbox series X release.
Nah, as much as I hate it, aside from the episodic Spartan Ops releases, Halo 4 had everything at launch.
Halo 4 wasn't too bad
I hate the Ui tbh. I hate that ammo is lower right. Im used to it on top of the screen
If I'm not wrong, Halo 4 had more content than reach on launch. It cerainly had more maps.
I can't believe that this game was supposed to come out a year ago. Just imagine how little content there would be then.
The game in fact is worse than it would have been a year ago ironically
@@Bluescilla So basically, it would of turn out like Bf2042
It would’ve been an absolute nightmare…
@@mubassirzaman7202 2042 is just purely not a battlefield game
Like the game is cod ground war as best as I can compare it
@@LUCAS420BLZ except when you can find a good portal server that gives you a sense of the feeling that you are playing BF3 but then the servers are either super choppy and laggy or you struggle to hit anything consistently because every match it’s like the sensitivity changes so one match I’m in BF3 set it to 20 works fine next match I’m in BF1942 and I have to set it to 10 or 15 and it’s just annoying like how did you take fans saying we want a new BF4 and make it so you have to adjust your settings ever match.
I think the lack of playlist options is all tied to the battle pass. They are purposely slowing down player progression. Some of the challenges to level up can easily be accomplished with the right game mode. 343 nipped it in the butt before it became a possibility.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Nipped it in the bud*
it's easier to level up now
Why I don’t get xp for medals earned, winning a match etc. is ridiculous
@@propaneaeroplane also they added playlists and I’m assuming will continue to release more/change them up.
Just more proof these "live service games" are unfinished piles or crap.. miss the good old days where you go to the store, buy the whole finshed game, and even purchase dlc which is COMPLETE..
Same... Sometimes I wonder if I'm bored of games because I'm getting older, or because games now are so underwhelming and bad. Can't remember the last time I've seen a fully finished game (this also includes single player). Greed is literally the downfall of humanity. Games, TV shows, movies are getting words by the year.
Yeah fr god of war dropped with basically all the content except new game plus, and it’s some of the most fun I’ve had I’m modern gaming.
To answer randomsilly’s question, has nothing to do with age, it’s cause most games now are underwhelming and bad.
Spider man 2018
I feel like the last shooter to release totally finished is titanfall 2 lol
I remember buying Halo Reach on launch day in September 2010 and being absolutely overwhelmed by the ocean of content in the game available for only $60. Campaign, Firefight, Forge, Online Multiplayer, Custom Games and Theater were all there, and all of which seemingly had limitless options for players to customize their gaming experience to conform to how they wanted to play the game. With all of that content for that price, it was like Halo's equivalent to The Orange Box. It was wonderful, and it all worked flawlessly on day one without one single issue. A game releasing in that fashion today feels like a pipe dream, and it's not only depressing but surreal to see how dramatically industry standards - as well as how the industry values it's customers - have not only dwindled but seemingly driven off of a cliff.
EDIT: I paused the video to write my original comment, and you literally make my point at 18:58.
I actually rented it the day of release, they were just putting the boxes in blockbuster so I decided to try it before buying, returned nex day to buy. But I think there is the answer, we payed 60dlls, this is free while they Beta Test the servers imho, also the scale of the game is several times bigger, also I bought the battlepass on day one and Im sitting at lvl 20 and the game isnt out yet, but it felt just about reach system, that thing was a pita to lvl as you progresed.
Its all because fuck you give me money.
I didn't have internet then, spent legit every weekend on forge with my friends for years, no updates needed. Best times of my life.
Sir this game is free to play
@@eternalmiasma5586 Sir, the color blue in Halo Infinite costs one sixth the price of all of Halo Reach.
I hope we also get a fire fight mode. Was fun fighting waves of covenant(it would be banished now) with my friends.
If we’re not getting forge and customs until like 6 months after launch than don’t expect firefight anytime soon
PvE content def needs to happen...
Honestly 343 should be ashamed. Delayed the game an wntire year and its still a shell compared to what Bungie delivered us. The fact that firefight isn't in at launch is actually shocking. Same with Forge. Same with Co-op campaign. This game must have been in absolute development hell
@@MrAustyn88 don’t forget it’s also the most amount of development time for any halo game. Yet it still somehow has the least content.
Wish I had forge to learn the weapons
I've been out of gaming for at least 7 years, nothing has changed it's getting worse. Why people clamour to get a game on day 1 I'll never know, it's guaranteed to be unfinished. For any new game you're excited about, you should probably add at least 1 year on to the release date in your own mind since that is when all the features and bugs will be sorted out. If everyone did this instead of wanting early access to beta test games for companies, the developers would sort themselves out.
"Modern Gaming... kind of fucking sucks"
Understatement of the millennium, right there.
I agree we get like a couple of good games on average but most of the time it’s the same garbage over and over
Ikr?
Battlefield 2042 is just modernedized of every Battlefield that isn't Battlefield 1 or 5.
And CoD vanguard is just modern warfare system and graphics in it.
You can tell how ww2 CoD and vanguard are different.
but doom eternal is cool
@@Sithbuilder Stop playing AAA games
really is sad to see modern big name games are generally of poorer quality than their older counterparts were. Indie games are where its at these days
"It's free to play quit complaining!" Yeah, that's a valid excuse for any game that's not triple A, they've had plenty of time/resources and experience to get this done. I'm tired of the excuses everyone keeps giving, gaming is never gonna get better if we just bend over backwards and let them get away with all this bs. I wish the rest of the game was as good as its graphics and gameplay, cuz clearly there was alot of effort put in and it is amazing, but it's plain idiotic how they've done this 3 times in a row.
@@thebeast6494
1. What does Flight Simulator have to do with anything?
2. I couldn't care if it was made by Atari with the budget of a shoelace, cheese sandwich and two bricks; the product should work out of the box.
Exactly right
Not really a valid excuse unless it's a indie dev
Free 2 play is a scam.
Sure you dont have a upfront cost. But instead need to put in extra time grinding to unlock things.
Am i the only one that would rather pay 30bucks for a game, and not have to do soul crushing daily play and time wasting challenges to to unlock anything?
People like to pretend F2P means they make less money when that couldn't be any further from the truth.
I guarantee they made more from the battle pass alone than they would have charging $60 for the game.
When talking about the lack of game modes, I think it's worth remembering this game was delayed a whole year. Just what game would there even had been back then? Just boggles the mind
they had all this done, that year was to remake the graphics
They were just chillin the whole time 😆
@@supremestudios5667 Source: none
Feels like they spent 5 years on campaign and half a year on the mp... And the another halfyear of scratching their collective nuts
@@MintyLime703 actually...
Source:trust me bro
There's no excuse for releasing games in an incomplete form. Again, games are pretty much the only product that you're allowed to release A. Broken and/or B. Missing key features, and it's just accepted as standard now. It's never acceptable, games should be released complete and in working condition or not released.
This is why I hardly ever buy new games any more.
The “going outside” bit would have been perfect if there was a “well there’s too much content here” line.
FUCK
@@TheActMan hey I like your content
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined
@@C-Live with a Spider-Man picture awesome
@@TheActMan We all miss good opportunities.
You the best acting male 😇
I think the best way to explain this game's current status is that it's better than Battlefield 2042 and COD Vanguard, but setting the bar that low doesn't do it any favors.
We need James Cameron to raise the bar!!
At least in Vanguard I can choose what to play which is hilarious.
@@branberrycakes and u playing vanguard is even more hilarious
@@pepsusser 💀💀💀
@@pepsusser shitting on vanguard but being jealous of Vanguards features and modes is the most hilarious 🤣
I’m with act man, I want to know why games can’t be finished when released. And when did gaming companies start this trend of not finishing games
1. Instant gratification and greed from publishers
2. Started around when Fortnite and PUBG was released to an entirely new generation of gamers who completely misunderstood the concept of patience
Publishers nowadays wrongly believe gamers want video games in our hands as quickly as possible (and we do, but some of us don’t understand that doing this will create more problems later on down the road - enter Halo: Infinite), so they put a shit ton of pressure on the developers to create unfinished products only to release those very same products on day one stringing us gamers along thinking we’ll be happy with new content released every few months which developers originally intended to release _on_ day one.
If that makes sense…
@@hcs4life21 It all started with Todd Howard🐎🐎🐎
I believe it first started in the early 2010s with games like sonic free riders and ride to hell retribution that released unfinished. Or it first started when “beta” and “early access” became mainstream
It was an inevitability. The only reason it didn't happen years before was because before you could not change a game after it released.
It was an inevitability. The only reason it didn't happen years before was because before you could not change a game after it released.
9:05 - The reason why they focus on player retention... is to have as many "attention events" as possible. Instead of "one big launch" and then just smaller updates, they want to have a "huge event" for each "piece" they can launch as this causes people to re-get back into a game versus losing focus.
It's 100% intentional to keep people talking/thinking about it, instead of "well, players don't like so much content."
They KNOW players do, and want to merely maximize the number of "new content" events for a game to get more eyes on it more often....
Which fucking pisses me off. I wanted halo 3 level of quality, content, and then have 60% available at launch to choose, and then the rest as unlocks and then have them release NEW stuff that hasnt been in halo / in past games, and then improve on the foundation.
They apparently don't give a shit about halo being the face of xbox / microsoft gaming, and want to instead focus on max profits at the expense of game quality / player satisfaction. They can't even beat a 2007 game... fucking sad.
Yep. And the most ironic part of it all is that these "huge events" haven't done shit for actually revitalizing the dismal player population. Season 2 finally launched a couple weeks ago after a long-awaited six months, and the small boost in player count that it brought has already completely evaporated.
The average player count on Steam for the month of May is looking to be almost exactly the same as the average population for March (a dismal 6.3k btw)
I fear that the reason games don’t give players the freedom to play the game the way they want is because they can’t monetize something when they can’t control what we do or how we do it. The more choice they give the players, the less likely their choice will be to pay money for things they should already have.
Titanfall 2 when it created its monetization system didn't restrict players at all. There were so many free camos and options to customize. The monetization just gave players more of what they already had like camos and cooler looking titans. It didn't restrict customization at all which is why I spent an extra $20 on store items on top of the cost of the game because of how good it was. Game companies don't realize that if monetization is shit then you don't want to buy anything , but if its good then you want to buy more items because its worth the price.
@@dewitnow1765 it ain't for us. It's for little kids dude. Aint nobody over 16 shilling out money for that kind of stuff. Obv it's making them money or they'd stop
I blame Microsoft for the microtransactions. The game is so fun though. 343 did a fantastic job with the gameplay of this game.
Yeah the game is pretty dang good not to much to complain about other than nitpicks
Dude blaming Microsoft instead of 343 for anything is like blaming Google instead of TH-cam the distinction is irrelevant since 343 is just a subsidiary of Microsoft
@@andrewlynch4126 Game developers working at a studio are not equivalent to executives pushing for monetization. That's not a good analogy.
@@andrewlynch4126 that is a horrible comparison. this is exactly what happens to call of duty. I doubt its actually microsoft that makes those decisions directly though its likley the guy at xbox that manages Bethesda, 343, ubisoft (i think?), etc...
and that guy likley mostly reports to microsoft and microsoft likley would only tell him things to avoid and any trends that should be implemented
@@themindfulmoron3790 I never blamed the rank and file employees of 343, or do you think 343 doesn’t have executives? Lol There is no point distinguishing between 343 and Microsoft because 343 will never be separated from Microsoft (unless they sell them for some reason) and 343’s job first and foremost is to do as Microsoft says, that’s for better or worse how the world works
I love how despite all of the major flaws in this game, its the most fun I’ve had playing a shooter since probably Battlefield 1
Y same
The fun im having in this game really making me not care about anything else hehe except that i want to play on more than 40-55 fps:(
@@hemmhumm5182 Man, that sucks seeing complaining about 40-55 FPS when my ass here is stuck gaming on consoles that usually run games at 30 or lower most of the time. I'd be happy to have 40 to 55 FPS in my games any day
@Thunder Life Entertainment ....i miss the hornet
Because its new, you'll be bored soon.
Legit the same game from nearly 20 years ago with graphical improvements... you still can't ads hahaha
Halo 3 and Reach were the absolute pinnacle of first person shooter multiplayer. Nothing will ever top that era in gaming
Battlefield 3
@@Walamonga1313 lacked a map editor, split screen, in depth party system, and coop campaign.
@@CarvedStones Halo lacked a better progression system, 60Hz servers, multi platform, Legacy Browser, much larger players in games, and you had to pay Xbox Live (and campaign isnt Multiplayer)
Two different games with two different play styles, both top tier era of multiplayer shooter gaming
@@aspinnycracker Halo’s progression system was great, it was tied to achievements and progression to unlock more customization options, something infinite is lacking really bad, halo 3 and reach servers weren’t that bad when they came out, unfortunately there wasn’t any browser back then but it didn’t stop the growth of custom games of 3 & Reach. That’s just how it was back then, also coop is multiplayer wdym.
@@aspinnycracker Halo infinite still lacked and lacks basic features that makes up a halo game, the fact it came a year later was stupid. Even coop is still broken, multiplayer is still not fun, custom games is the only thing keeping the game alive. It’s been very lackluster for Halo Infinite.
I just can’t believe we went away from pre game lobbies and game modes that were just honestly FUN. I really miss playing juggernaut, infection and action sack in reach. That game really had the community build their multiplayer up.
INFECTION, you could add two background orbs that would have this red haze on everyone's screen like infection stuff.
Then have a room almost blocked off by wooden pellets and such so they were break able.
People turn, infected break in, more turn!
Infected/Infection is the best game mode in FPS, you can't change my biased mind, it taps in to your primal side, especially when youre the final one, the dopamine cannot be compared to other modes
I can see why they took away pregame and all of that, grudges, unnecessary hate and arguments, it wears on the soul after a while it's no longer fun
Guys its not even full release. If its not all then with campagin release then id be upset
@@AirsoftJunky74 You’d be upset.
"Modern Gaming" has the problem of babying people too much. They don't have post or pre-game lobbies because someone MIGHT say something mean. They don't show stats because someone might get discouraged about being "bad" instead of getting better. They don't allow big power weapons or vehicles as often or grant power to the oddball or flag carrier because that would mean someone gets to have "more fun".
It is the slowly homogenizing, bland, vanilla gaming experience everyone has so someone doesn't have a slightly negative experience. Because that would mean less engagement according to their souless corporate executive/psychologist rats.
Careful you might upset a tasteless nu-fan.
Yes so true 🤣
Thanks liberals
Coming home after a very busy day at work, sir down to play for a while to chill, get completely destroyed by some 12 year old grinding all day long and I can't do anything. I genuinely cannot find time to grind like "gamers".
@@brianmcmillan8143 Normally I'd say leave with that politics bs but ngl, this garbage does come from that side of society.
Modern day gaming is becoming too greedy and low effort, we need another gaming crash to wipe out these awful game publishers and send these executives to early retirement.
it’s too profitable and engrained into society with too many casual gamers willing to spend plenty of money for the industry to just go belly up
Pipe dream. Even during the early 360 Era, a second crash wasn't on the cards. This is the way shit is going to stay sadly.
"is becoming"
I think u mean "has become"
son there ain't no turning back
@@clearsky4042 i said that because i thought the 2010s for gaming was god awful, but this decade of the 2020s is now nightmare fuel
I think the term “modern gaming” is a gross oversimplification. Plus, a gaming crash taking out publishers would also heavily impact developers themselves, which would not be great; no one likes losing their jobs
I’m gonna go ahead and say Act Man probably didn’t get advance access to the campaign from 343 because of his honest takes like this. I’m sure the last thing they want right before launch is a content creator doing anything but worshiping their product
*Modern Gaming* at its finest 👌🏿
Welcome to the state of modern gaming
And he still shills for them after this video lol...
Why halo is so good.(and bad?
No ShillMan. It's just all bad
For me personally, the only issues I’ve having with the beta is the progression and Battlepass, other than that, I’ve been having a lot of fun with this game
Same here, I haven’t played Halo consistently since Halo 3 and I’m having so much fun with this game now
So you think the customization and gameplay is fine? Interesting.
Like 1000 dollars for cosmetics don’t bother you?
@@mankyt Exactly, this is honestly the best halo I’ve ever played
@@justchilling704 the gameplay is great, and he said in his comment he didn’t like the customization
I’m 99% certain at this point that the reason these games launch with so little content is so they can have constant updates to stay in the headlines while not having to work as hard. I don’t think they already have the content developed and are withholding it, but they can put the same overall effort but stretch it out over the course of an entire game’s lifespan rather than just at launch.
I hate this games as a service model.
I'll agree with you if this is all that's gonna be there on launch day
343 isn't a great developer so that style of development works perfect for them
@@malazan6004 I mean the gameplay is great.
But just like allow us to specify which gamemode to play and add like snipers only etc.
It's not hard
It also keeps the developers in a job for longer.. stretch the development of a game out and you don't have to start a new project or find a new job
@@malazan6004 Destiny proved Bungie isn’t any better these days. AAA gaming in general has just gone this route.
It seriously breaks my heart when they littleraly could have just copied any of the older menus and still have a better product than Infinite's matchmaking. Not to mention the options.
I want the halo 3 player count on game modes. MCC still sucks to matchmake, especially trying to join pc only games.
They should have copied _all_ the older menus and let you switch between them.
The 'Party Up' feature from halo 3 is the reason why I have as many online friends as I do.
It was cool playing consecutive games with a random group because you could build chemistry or rivalries with those people and explore more of the game in different ways.
It's sad to see that it hasn't really been implemented since.
After playing the game, I feel as though the package has arrived but I'm still waiting for what I ordered.
The issue that impacts me the most is the lack of co-op campaign, you're telling me halo, one of the best co-op games to play with friends, isn't gonna have what is probably the best feature that has been in all halo games during the launch?
Welcome to hell
^^^THIS, like unless they’re adding a whole nother character for coop I don’t get why it’s taking so long
@@jacksonpavlich8198 they said they didn’t know how to make it open world with two players you know? Like can one player be miles away from the other player? I can see why it’s hard to implement but they should have thought about is like idk maybe 4 years ago
@@bullymaguire4640 that is definitely something they should have thought of when they decided to commit to the open world, it's sad that 343 seems to regress in some way shape or form for every game they have released, i'm glad it at least feels good to play right now
Yeah I won't be buying the campaign until we get multi-player. Knowing developers these days I bet you 💰 that the date for coop gets pushed back
Edit:just got to the part in the video stating coop and forge has been delayed again
“None of these decisions make any sense.” That’s honestly the theme for the whole company at 343 for me. Like, don’t get me wrong. They clearly prioritized the core gameplay and campaign over everything else, and it payed off. Infinite feels like a true to successor to Halo 3 and Reach. But this company’s decisions are just so bizarre and baffling. And a lot of times they LITERALLY provide NO REASON for those decisions. They just make the decision just for the sake of it.
For example, like when they decided to remove Jeff’s kill announcements from BTB. Sketch talked about it in a video and literally said something along the lines of “everyone has noticed Jeff’s announcements are missing in BTB….BTB is a little different in halo infinite”………
WHY?!
It doesn’t make any sense to take out something like that, that is literally a core part of what makes Halo….Halo. And they have made so many decisions like that and have given similar responses (or no response) which you have clearly pointed out in this video. And I’m not trying to be super negative either! 343 has done a kickass job with infinite! They have really revitalized the franchise. I just don’t understand some of the decisions like removing Jeff, not being able to choose which game type I want to play, etc.
And I don’t understand how Reach had way more stuff at launch and had half the development time. Infinite has had double the development time. Just doesn’t make any sense. 343 just needs to keep us in the loop a little bit more and explain the rationale behind their decisions.
Like removing the Plasma Rifle.....the most Halo gun ever XD
@faille quo reflexes WTF, bungiliver confirmet
A good rule of thumb is that if there is no explanation given for a decision, the real answer is almost always: money.
money money money money
They probably want to make room for their own stupid little fucking egos and their dumbass ideas.
Yes, Bungie's Halo: Reach is the gold standard for Halo multiplayer. When I bought Reach on Steam for the Master Chief Collection, I was sorely disappointed with the lack of content that was standard when Bungie was running the show... and don't even get me started on the horrific sound system. I promptly uninstalled it shortly after and haven't gone back. For me, Halo ended with Bungie's version of Reach. Everything after is a pale imitation of its former self.
Bungie is trash now. Destiny 2 is the biggest scam out there and pvp is worst than the first destiny
@@gonewthworld7055Bungies Halo. Not Bungies Destiny
Uhhh okay? You want a medal?
I agree. My biggest takeaway is why did you spend all those years perfecting MCC to just not include any of the basics into this game? If it is design, that's pitiful. If it is you didn't have time, what have you been doing for 6 years? It's not like your the largest or most funded studio of one of the largest tech companies in the world.
which basics??
Because Bungie made all the content in MCC and set the groundwork this is 343
@@malazan6004 I’m pretty sure he’s talking about the progression in MCC. It’s a much better progression system.
Couldn’t have said it better. 6 years in the making for a whopping 3 playlists, no forge, broken theater and broken custom games. And countless other glitches. I can’t wrap my brain around it
I'm just kinda perplexed. Bungie seemed to have a serious time crunch for most of the games they made, but still released feature complete games. 343 had a few years and they can't even release a complete multiplayer. Really hoping the campaign is overwhelmingly good and shows just where a lot of their effort went.
I feel like they have down days every other day at work.
I mean, Bungie did not made the previous HALOs under a worldwide pandemic.
I do agree that's no excuse to release the game prematurely, I know there's a holiday deadline they need to push through and they need both MP and SP before the end of the year. But it just feels wrong to see how a game with this much potential is prematurely released. Just hoping the devs get enough break after this final stretch and can deliver us improvements next year.
1:Gaming development has changed a lot, whether it’s because of technology (like the slip space engine) or today’s industry 2: A worldwide pandemic? 3: I believe most of the resources went to campaign, especially after the E3 demo way back when
bungie's campaigns were better imo
I agree that most of the content in Infinite is great, and that its flaws mostly relate to what is still missing. However I do think there are some things in the game that are pretty bad.
My main gripe is that the game's many announcers gas you up way too much, to the point where it's kinda cringe. There are THREE separate “announcers”: BUTLR (basically Jarvis from Ironman), “Announcer” (the classic one we all know and love) and your Spartan teammates. And good lord, they do not miss an opportunity to compliment you for doing literally anything. Get one kill with a BR and BUTLR goes “You’re quite lethal with that thing!”. Get an assist and one of your spartan teammates will say “you did some damage!”.
In my opinion, this is WAY too much verbal praise, and it comes off as goofy and disingenuous. Even condescending at times. Reign it in, 343; You don’t need to tell me I’m awesome every five seconds. The Announcer saying “Killing Spree” is all the hype I need. However, if they insist on keeping the teammate commentary in, they need to at least add a delay to their voicelines. As it is now, the voicelines play so quickly after you do something that it’s uncanny. Like your squad starts talking you up before you even have time to realize that you hit your shot. Once you notice how awkward the announcers are, you can never un-notice it.
Idunno if anyone else noticed this or got annoyed by it, maybe it's just me. But personally I couldn't help but laugh at how silly they sound.
Also, some of the awards need to have their voicelines removed. The new “Perfect!” award voiceline is something that you’re pretty much guaranteed to hear WAY TOO MUCH when using the BR (unless you suck with it lol). It plays whenever you 3-burst someone, which really ain’t that deserving of a voiced award.
I just want spartan cheeks clapping when I'm using my BR cmon 343. But hey a man can dream
Didn't expect you to be a halo player but yeah I agree with you this series is going downhill
what are you doing here?
I didn’t really get annoyed by it. The only AI that annoyed me was the pyramid one. He says a corny or (even though I hate saying this word) cringy line every time you do something in the game
I agree mate but you can fix it by turning voice volume off, makes games feel much more haloey lol
Remember that this game was meant to come out LAST YEAR, if people didnt call out the problems there would have been a big chance this game would dead by this time and proclaimed to be another huge 343 blunder
Duuude, I forgot all about that
The worst part of this conversation is if the game releases like this on dec 8 and it suffers a lot of people leaving the game early, all those streamers are going to control the narrative and claim it’s because of no battle royal. They are without a doubt are going to use Halo Infinite’s current issues to propel their issues with the game and cheer that they were right, when they couldn’t be more wrong.
Yeah that's true. You're right, but there will be a battle royale at some point. You can count on it.
Reach's customisation and unlocks are IMO the pinnacle of how you implement that sort of thing, I want to unlock armour pieces at my leisure, and truly design my Spartan dolly my way and know that mine is, for the most part, unique to most. In Reach, this is just me, I liked to tell a story when customising my Spartan, especially for the fact that that's also how you looked in the campaign; I was amazed that I could add prosthetic limbs straight out of the box in Infinite.
@@slimerewoods5766 Not talking about the grind, talking about the rewards and variety or customisation on release, and the act of unlocking what you wanted (granted once you reached milestones) when you wanted. Infinite is like, yeh basic armour or battle pass content which makes you look like every other wanker. Obviously you would want a fair xp reward system with what I'm saying, but even Halo 4 carried that shit over.
@@slimerewoods5766 no, and when did they change things? From what I remember the grind was reasonable up until like Brigadier, and 343’s title updates are what caused it’s population to drop off.
@@slimerewoods5766 you mean the crappy slot machine that only every game like ~500 credits at a time if even that?
@@Slender_Man_186 the grind was reasonable until you got to the special ranks like Eclipse, Forerunner, etc. That's when it got ridiculous.
@@Tomn8er Brigadier and General were the ones that came just before the special ranks, after General Grade 4 was Field Marshall, Hero, Legend, etc.
Eclipse was when it got stupidly grindy, it wasn’t even the half way point at 8.5mil credits (Inheritor required 20mil), yet there were only 4 more ranks after it. I only got to Hero, which is at 3.7mil, not even a quarter of the way.
You hit the nail on the head, man. Everyone is mad about the store and I'm like "why can't I just see my stats in Waypoint or anywhere else? Why is it just a fucking ad for the battlepass, when all I wanna see is my K/D?"
Tbh, I don’t mind that as much as half the other things. Being a casual player, I find it annoying when some really competitive player looks at my K/D and starts calling me out for the rest of the match because I’m slightly under 1.0. Happened a few times in Rainbow Six Siege. I got kicked by my own teammates because I had “a bad K/D”, in a CASUAL match, not even ranked. But that game’s community is so toxic I shouldn’t even be surprised…
That’s just my personal experience with K/D ratios. I totally get why some people want to have it back though since it’s the main stat in every FPS game.
I’d rather not see my K/D. Lol
@@SilverGeFer Don’t listen to the mega competing crowd. Their compensation are their wins in a video game.
@@AttakusZakus Yup. It’s pretty pathetic to get kicked from a casual match just because my K/D is inferior to theirs. I forgot to mention I was playing with my friend during those times and he obviously had to leave as well since they kicked me. Ironically enough, his K/D is worse than mine
@@SilverGeFer hey man, as a life long R6 player and Halo player, I understand how toxic the community can get just for seeing something as little as how much time you have spent on the game. I have a pretty alright K/D in R6, so I never got shitted on too much for it, but I have encountered plenty of matches where other players were shit talking each other for their K/D. I don’t think it would make Halo Infinite better by following that model, however I think it should at least be shown in Halo Waypoint to the individual or something, just so they know how they are performing and stuff like that.
It's depressing that all this happened a year ago. It's been so long since I played halo infinite that at this point I'm just waiting for Halo 7 to release
Halo vs COD pre 2011: "which one is better?"
Halo vs COD post 2011: "which one is worse?"
It shouldn't be this way. Technology is more advance and understood now more than ever yet older games worked better and had more. No excuses!
Still so many good Cods after 2011
Devs especially in the West are hiring some pretty useless people these days.
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 not really.
@@yellow_x522 couldn't agree more. I feel like it's a human culture thing rather than even an industry thing. Almost every industry I pay attention to is either going down the same path.
@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 good CoD games a huge hit or miss now and they've all went downhill since Black Ops 3 tbh
_“It's not the notes you play, it's the notes you don't play."_
- Mustard Chief 117
Mustard Chef, actually
Ketchup Chef, actually
Mayonnaise on an escalator, actually
That’s Muster Chief to you buddy
@@Ok-rt8xv goin upstairs so see you later
Another factor of "Modern Gaming" that has plaguing us as of late has been this idea of making the game less "competitive " and less "toxic" by removing things that make you able to compare yourself with other people ie: Death counters, Scoreboards, Levels, KDRs , Ranks, and the like. The actions of game companies to make their games more appear casual or less toxic whichever it may be, are removing parts of games that I see as vital to keeping players going as the watch themselves improve over time. Luckily Halo Infinite has seemingly been one of the games least affect by this but its still concerning for its future. The lack of stats visible on launch plus this new trend in modern games makes me really worried.
Making games less "toxic" is just an excuse to begin with. If shitty players can't see how shitty they are, they're less likely to quit playing altogether and might still be around to spend money on micro-transactions. Thats the real reason for all the anti-scoreboard and anti-K/D bias you see, everything else is just window dressing to lure in the support of the kind of morons who'd actually fall for the "anti-toxicity" shtick.
Online multiplayer was a mistake. It's trash.
Couldnt have said it better myself bro, a high % of players play the game for stats to make it more competitive between themselves and their friends, it also gives you a reason to keep playing the game long after its release because youre playing towards something other than cosmetics and challenges that eventually have no appeal. Stats and leaderboards are essential to online multiplayer gaming these clowns need to wake up or they will lose plenty of customers.
@@christianbethel y tho
From my experience, its the opposite, atleast for games like CoD. SBMM is literally a ranking system without the ranks. It doesnt protect new people or bad players because as those people get better they get put against harder enemies, so they can't tell if they are getting better/doesn't get rewarded for getting better, instead they get punished.
When SBMMWZ was up I was in top 2% lobbies ALL. THE. TIME. I only have a 2KD and don't really bother with the meta etc, but because I can still get around 2KD I will be in those lobbies forever, even though the vast majority of the people in there are only using meta, know everything about the map, never miss a shot. Yes, I can do all of this if I sweat, but the thing is I just wanna have a chill game with the boys, not be sweating all the time.
They remove things like scoreboards etc, but that doesn't mean the games aren't competitive. They are more competitive than ever, to a point that comp CSGO is more chill to me than an average game of WZ or Vanguard.
Like, when I played Infinite, I genuinely thought I was against bots for the first 10 matches because the lobbies where actually varied. Mostly average, some bad, some good. It was fun unlike the constant sweatfest of other games. It felt like good old times in CoD golden age.
I would love to see a breakdown of what the MP team have been doing the last 6 years. I cant figure it out, I'd be embarrassed to be part of this development team honestly, imagine being given thst much time and money and the best you can do isn't even a quarter of the content Halo 3 and Reach had.
Hell, Halo 4 and Halo 5 were better at this stage.
Halo 4 and 5 were barely even halo games. I'd rather have a solid game and get more content later on compared to half ass baked gameplay with more content
This game is very solid, the gameplay is amazing the only complaints people has is the progression which they have legitimately made multiple fixes on. And the lack of maps does suck but they’re definitely adding more
@@wheeleel6961 I agree I love the gameplay, probably the best Halo has ever been. I'm more pissed about goimg through through Halo 5 launch cycle again thats all.
@@wheeleel6961 stop defending this garbage company releasing half baked, overpriced trash
Imagine wasting 6 years of your life developing a game that is worse than a 20 year old version of itself.
My theory for the inability to choose more specific mode playlists is that 343 wanted to make it artificially more difficult for players to complete battle pass challenges. Like you can’t win 3 CTF matches if you can’t get into a CTF match. Therefore, you’re more likely to purchase level skips out of frustration.
Or it's just a beta and they're allowing you to play what they need you to play in order to address the most pressing issues before launch, like most other Halo betas that came before it.
@@as7river So sick of that fucking excuse. "It's just a beta, bro" doesn't excuse stupid mistakes like the ones they made here.
@@as7river Wasn’t the phrase “all the maps and modes” used by the devs when they announced the launch?
Yep! Thank you monetization team for fucking us over!
@@theguylivinginyourwalls I don’t even think it’s a mistake, it’s by design in order to manipulate players and force engagement.
I honestly don’t understand it and wish someone could explain it to me. AAA games have bigger budgets than ever, bigger teams of developers than ever and some of them are given more time than ever to be made and yet... they launch technically deficient, content dry, their features are released piecemeal over months. I just don’t understand. Why is the gaming industry going backwards so rapidly?
Publishers releasing a developer’s game got greedy over the past 10-15 years, forcing developers to have games released in small portions because the publishers know the current generation (Gen-Z) has the attention span of a gnat, always wanting something new, something immediate. The publishers know (and prey upon) today’s current generation of gamers who often make rash decisions and spend money they don’t need to be spending, making those publishers unnecessarily rich.
@@hcs4life21 because game developers dont hire based on talent anymore, they fill diversity quotas, unless you have blue hair and are trans the likely-hood of you getting a job is about 1 in 100. for real though, i know a friend who is black and indian and was told by a big game developer that they arent hiring men at the moment.
I don’t want TH-cam to censor my comment so I have to phrase it like this.
The global thing that made people not feel good.
@@MsDoomface Developers like 343 are most likely going to have a policy match with Microsoft so in this case it’s a bit different.
Something else to add, investors will invest more money in a company that has continuous growth. Investors only want to see those numbers rise, so releasing games in smaller chunks at the same price (if not more expensive) and prolonging the lifespan of the game prolongs the revenue gained from just one product alone.
I had a tutor whose son helped work on Halo Reach. I ended up getting a key to the closed Halo Reach beta. It was incredible. Ah the memories.
I love the stevie ray Vaughn pfp!
my reachs son tutored my halo who was a beta that keyed my incredible memories. ahhhhhhhhhhhh
Reaxh was flawed....but damn if it wasn't good
Honestly one of my biggest issues is just that the UI is so cluttered and confusing. Why is it so hard to just put things out where it's easy to find them instead of nesting them in a 3-4 menus?
The lack of lobbies is also a big question mark. To me, it seems like a lot of the decision making that went into the design of Halo Infinite was corrupted by the sheer volume of single match battle royale games, so questions of lobbies and game modes just completely smoothed over because no one thought to add them due to their absence literally everywhere else for the last decade basically.
Honestly, I just hate the fact that you don’t get Xp for kills and playing the objective, like I dislike how you can only do challenges to get Xp and rank up, like I can drop a 20 bomb, without doing any challenges and not get any Xp. Like I think it’s really annoying that you aren’t rewarded for doing well in the game even if you aren’t doing challenges.
Yeah my friend witnessed me go 23/10 on a slayer match and I got that measly 50xp. It hurts...
As soon as I saw the battle-pass, I was like “Ah s**t here we go again,” because this is what I’ve come to expect from gaming these days. They want you to grind endlessly and barely get anywhere so that you give in and spend money. Can we just leave this s**t in the past please? I would much rather have to work for my unlocks with a fair progression system, like Ghost of Tsushima, which released a multiplayer mode for free and no micro-transactions to be found.
Every company is turning into EA slowly.
This Is 1 reason why when people debate "golden age" of gaming I always say the cutoff Is *before* the start of 7th gen ,
because that's when online console gaming really went mainstream and DLC/Microtransactions/Patches took off ,
and the pros never outweighed the cons. This Is a greedy paradise for devs , the big 3 and most of their devs are never struggling for profits the way they make gullible gamers think they are , they're making money hand over fist with constant streams of revenue and purposely designing games like this , and this trend Is NEVER going to stop now because It's too much money being made and way too easy to manipulate. Newer gamers are so conditioned they won't care or protest these practices , they're already too Invested buying what they should've had for free.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 I swear dude, Activision is the worst company on the planet when it comes to this mindset. They try to be safe and “SJW friendly 🤢🤮” when in actuality, they are probably the worst place in the industry for equality. Have you heard about all the cases surrounding these scumbags? It’s ridiculous!
@@fawkkyutuu8851 not only do newer gamers not care, ive seen them defend this practice unironically which is fucking mind-boggling. And it's cross genre, fps to MMO people can't get enough of these microtransactions
@@ChaddeusThaddeus "fucking mind-boggling" is putting it way too nicely lol
I love this game. I really do, it’s the most fun I’ve had on Halo multiplayer in years. But not being able to see something as simple as my player statistics is extremely saddening. I want to see how good I’m doing and how good everyone else is doing. To see a history of my medals, my skill level history, all that stuff. I’m a semi-competitive person and I love to see how I’m doing. I hope they add it and that when they do it remembers everything from before it gets patched in. I’ll be very disappointed otherwise, and I think a lot of people will be too.
It's on game pass, it's gonna have minimum effort. Probably in a future update but just a quick money grab for now with the microtransactions
Best Halo Game 343i has made, but that is a low bar.
I still say games on MCC are superior.
@@thedarkriddler7318 game is definitely not minimum effort
I remember when fps games had leaderboards even.... Now bf2042 doesn't even have an in-game score board because I guess they are afraid people in 2021 get their feefees hurt.....
They're afraid people with low stats will get made fun of, instead of matching them with other people their skill level. Feeling first in 2021
Hey Act Man, we’re going to need another update on this with the recent community manager posts about cheating in game, playlist issues, etc. It’s not looking good for Halo at the moment unfortunately.
TAM: *_"BUNGIE was able to make HALO: Reach IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!!!"_*
343: "Well, I'm sorry.... I'm not BUNGIE."
Nice reference, also yes.
To be fair, that’s OLD bungie
New bungie is nowhere near as good as old bungie was, but I’m hoping they can finally get on track when witch queen releases for destiny, I want that game to be good again…
@@nathanflinchum1153 im glad you willingly to accept new bungie if they did good thing it's rare to see people like you
It's not a beta for the multiplayer, it's a beta for the microtransactions store to see how much 343 can get away with charging players for the colour blue.
Wow they got blue in the game?! Now that's lit, instant pre-order.
Majority of gamers are dumb asses will buy anything thrown at them, it's why we still can pay for the color blue, it's an extreme minority that call this out.
100x this.
Lmfao!
@@PeterPan-gp4ru I know it's crazy how many people have a spare $20 bill to burn on colors.
It's really insane, I'm having so much fun with it.
anything for free is fun
@@mullahgaming9446 false. Have you heard of a game called “Fortnite”?
@@AirLight1646 fortnite bad
@@dgbsbalv yeah Fortnite sucks
Me too, but goddamn they need to patch and fix almost everything now
Crazy looking back now it wasn’t 6 months for infection it was almost 19
Halo Infinite has some of the most solid gameplay mechanics I’ve ever seen in a shooter, but it’s so frustrating to see the blunders that this game has made
@b7 Minus the bullshit for getting nothing for it, that is badass what you did.
Name some fanboy...
@b7 went a similar 36 and 5 Btb slayer and got my 50 xp….
Speaking of Elites, MCC was supposed to have complete customization for Elites like armor mixing but it never happened.
Elite customisation was literally the focus of Season 7
@@interstellarpostman5430 I meant for Reach. I was hoping that would be in season 7 but nope.
@@xboxgamerJ16 oh right yeah, they focused on Halo 3 a bit too much with the last few MCC updates. I’m still salty SPI armour isn’t in Reach
@@interstellarpostman5430 FUCKING RIGHT THO? The one game where we actually play as a Spartan III, the one game where we can use invisibility at will, and they don’t add SPI to it, like wtf?
The Stockholm syndrome of people justifying this freemium skin system.
We are pretty much getting less content when you factor in the $60 for the campaign and the amount of money they stand to make from the micro transactions.
Ask yourself this, if the multiplayer was included with the $60 campaign, but still had the paywall for the skins it has, would that change your opinion?
Exactly, the fact people tryna defend this as if its free for anyone who's actually invested in halo is insane.
Young people seem especially willing to defend corporations. I don't understand it. Maybe it really is Stockholm syndrome. Or they don't recall gaming before all the bs started.
@@12ealDealOfficial I honestly don't get it. Defending egregious buisiness practices when that corporation would never even considering defending you.
Maybe because people don’t need skins that look cool to enjoy multiplayer so it’s only boomers who actually give a shit?
@@GingeryGinger boomers lol what are you 12?
They MUST return game chat and player lists in the lobbies. Being able to check out what other players have done with their characters is what makes personalisation so enjoyable.
I don't disagree with your points at all and if we had anything close to reach's launch it would be fantastic. Love or hate the reach sandbox it was the most content rich halo on launch. Nowadays we're lucky halo still has a scoreboard
Reach launch? No ranked? Busted armour lock? Bloom?
@@i-am-mercurial nostalgia eyes hella crazy ahaha reach had the worst map selection of any FPS I know
@@i-am-mercurial lmao people hate on the bloom cause THEY were bad at aiming
"if people want to just play slayer why don't you let them", You're forgetting that battle pass progression is tied to mode-specific challenges, which are harder to get if you can't choose your modes, motivating purchases of boosters in the shop.
Spot on. It is greed and way to mashup the community
Yup and same things goes for the samurai armor. They give you 1/3 of it free and lock the rest of it behind a pay wall.
I was going to comment this exact thing, but I'm glad others have realised this and I don't have to.
@@AssassinZero01 p
@@sickman5236 it pisses me off that the kickass samurai helmet is shown in the event pass key art thingy but ITS NOT EVEN IN THE PASS
In conclusion: He loves the game, he's just pissed he is going to have to wait for them to play test and patch the game, but it's awesome and he loves it.
The problem Act man has and i shared this problem is that we grew up with the notion that when you buy a game, you bought a complete version with all the content already on the disk. I unfortunately I overcame my nostalgia and my dark, jaded heart no long feels excitement and wonder for gaming. Act man still has that innocent, hopeful kid in his heart, problem is it keeps breaking every time he gets let down or disgruntled by the decisions of greedy publishers or lazy developers.
I feel so sorry for my two baby boys, gaming is going to be so inferior in 10 years, im going to be the old guy saying "In my day gaming was etc etc"
Pretty much. Indie or small dev team titles are really the only fun games being put out lately. Everything from AAA studios is garbage. Anytime there’s 7-figure executive salaries to pay and shareholders to please, you can pretty much guarantee the game will be ass. Just look at 2042 lmao
Gaming will be fine as long as the devs pick up the slack for once.
Its not the gamers fault, its the devs fault for being lazy and not considering the important stuff that make a game last for a long time.
All media is rotting. Music, TV, news, movies, video games. All becoming more contrived than ever, with less effort put in than ever before
“Bought the complete version.” Problem with that here is… you didn’t buy shit. The game is free in terms of multiplayer, meaning, you actually have not spent a dime and you have lost nothing. This in no way makes the game invulnerable to criticism, it does however dampen that criticism as the price for entry here is incredibly low if non existent as it’s only your time, and you can come back at any point once the issues you have with the product are fixed.
@@animaanalysis Oh yeah like How Halo 5 was free ? Oh wait
15:55 You guys found yourselves in a good ole “don’t cross the streams” situation there.
The game modes are definitely the biggest letdown for me, they definitely missed a lot of little stuff like looking down and being able to see your legs when running but the fact that there is no king of the hill infection action sack is crazy to me
pretty sure that will all come out when the full game is out hopefully, and I think the leg thing has to do with you FOV
People complaining when it's free..... amazing
People need to understand that when we criticize a game, it is bcoz we care about it and want it to have a good future.
The problem is, not everyone thinks like you. Allot of people who criticize games literally just wanna see the company burn. Constructive criticism isn't in there vocabulary. Look at Cyberpunk 2077. Nobody was trying to save that game. Everyone attacked them to the point it set development back into limbo. They were even hacked and threatened. Now there's practically no hope for that game ever being finished. The "critics" killed that game.
@@Wolfkin1983 I agree. Unfortunate that there are people like that.
Honestly, I had blast with Halo Infinite.
I don't care about Forge.
I don't care about Custom Games.
I care about coming home after a hard day at work and just having fun in one or two games.
And seeing the community just become a festering pile of "critics" (whining b*tches, in another language), I am going to refund the game on Steam.
I have too much bullshit in my real life, to deal with a bunch of whining kids on internet, instead of actually enjoying the game.
@@J_Warral good for you guy. Just because you don't care, there's thousands that do care about those game modes. The point is to attract all these players, not alienate them.
@@maidensexy1637 will you shut up
Great to see people that have a larger audience finally speaking up on this.
Zanny
HiddenXperia
Critical Nobody
MintBlitz
BloodThirstyLord
MrMattyPlays
and now you.
I've been playing Halo for 20 years, and right now I can honestly say without a shadow of a doubt Infinite needs a lot of changes to be considered even slightly consumer friendly/content rich. After their complete disregard for some of the feedback they ASKED FOR a lot of my friends have straight up sworn off Halo, and as much as it saddens me I can't blame them.
Making the game free to play was just an excuse to force the game to have as much monetization and slow time-gated progression as they want. The gameplay is good, everything else feels like a fuckin Apple Store mobile game.
Calling the game a Beta when its been developed for several years is dishonest at best; it's literally just a shield to avoid as much criticism as they can.
Also the fact that the “Slipspace engine” is a completely new from the ground up system isn’t true either, it’s an optimized, heavily modified Blam engine (from available info). In some of the early flights you’d even sometimes get weird Halo 3 / Reach type animations of a character falling in place waving their arms (you’d know it if you saw it). It’s baffling it’s taken so many years for it just to come out in such a barebones state.
Truth
Stop fucking caring about cosmetics and start caring about the game. Customs and forge are much more important than armour pieces.
Zanny's video made me laugh a lot
"Pardon me sir, I couldn't help but notice that you went to capture objective A despite having tactical disadvantage. I believe that would be considered poor decision making..."
The game play isn't even that good honestly, the fact that you can walk through teammates as well as most enemies is unacceptable in a game that has such a melee system as this, which also is only seems to work half the time. The radar barely covers any distance around you so when people can just sprint around the map that makes no sense, it's like it's intentional to disguise how small most of the maps actually are in reality.
What continuously blows my mind about 343 and every Halo mp theyve released is how it never launches with all the modes etc. Bungie used to release complete games every time did they not? If im wrong and I probably am overlooking something, like maybe forge for REACH, please explain in a reply. So how the hell can 343 take all this time and never have a complete game released? At least when it comes to mp modes. The last time I remember playing Halo mp every day and actually enjoying it was when I was late to the world of Halo with the purchase of Halo 3. Ever since then I havent even enjoyed mp enough to play it after trying Halo 4, which is the last Halo I ever bought a copy of as well. I just can't believe that Phil Spencer or Matt Booty or whoever the hell is in charge, has allowed 343 to handle their flagship title the way they have for 3 mainline entries with every single one being a shit show from the start. I think the biggest travesty was the Halo 5 campaign. That writer shouldn't be able to write children's books about farting let alone one of the biggest franchise's in the history of franchises.
One thing I think you forgot to mention this frustrating is some.of the weekly challenges are tied to certain game modes, so when you que and get slayer over and over its quite frustrating.
I would love to play slayer. For some reason I just can't get into a match of it
Exactly. Last week was a nightmare for me. But I already completed my weekly challenges like two days ago because I had the time and they were pretty easy to do. Now I can’t really do anything. I hope they update the progression at least by launch.
You get the Stronghold daily challenge?
@@tommot5100 my friends and I had to swap out the strongholds challenge because we had played literally for 3 days and didn't get a single strongholds map
“Impossible perhaps the archives are incomplete” lmfao shit had my dying.
That and the "and now for something... completely different" were soooo good.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
@@finkamain1621 we will watch your career with great interest
The most annoying thing for me is that when I join BTB with a full fire team we never get put in the same “squad”. I end up with randoms and it’s so hard to find my friends in the giant maps.
It's still a Beta so I'm sure it'll be fixed when it officially comes out. I don't like it either but all we can do is be patient and see the final product
@@olandotso7654 this is the final product bud
@@ispgravy4233 343 has it classified as a beta, check the game news/patch notes in the main menu
@@IronDeath79 just quoting 343
@@ispgravy4233 If it really does turn out to be the final product, I'm going to be furious lol. I don't know why I keep giving 343 the benefit of the doubt, they haven't done anything right the entire time they've owned the franchise.
The battle pass and progression really turned me off to the direction Halo's multiplayer is headed and I can't shake this feeling that the story is going to be lackluster. I hope it isn't, but these past few years of games haven't given me much confidence.
Alot of youtubers who got early access to the campaign have said its great
@@degeneratesupreme860 that’s what they said about 4 and 5 till we actually played it
@@Spabsa I don't remember anybody getting early access to 4 or 5s campaign
"It's to misleading call this a beta when they say it has all the modes and maps"
Technically beta means feature complete, but I get what you mean. Thanks to CoD beta is now just another word for demo and it's also interchangeable with alpha...This is why we shouldn't teach marketing execs new words.
@Trade Bum Simmons It means exactly that, generally you don't release a beta, at least in it's proper and traditional form. The monetized version would be the final build.
doesn't beta mean "break it early test application"
When Halo 3 was on its way, Bungie released a Beta version of Halo 3, completely free for those who bought the game Crackdown.
Of which they took feedback from the Beta build to improve Halo 3.
Of which when Halo 3 was released it was the game in a complete state.
I fucking love the way Act Man talks. He says what we’re all thinking but can say it in a way that is intelligent and easy to understand.
I really hope that this is a miscommunication error and they actually have at least half of the missing game modes ready for Dec 8th and that's the reason it came earlier. However, I think we all know that's not gonna happen.
Double negative, meaning they did correctly state what modes are in the game ;)
More game modes are confirmed to be coming, we just have to wait and see how many and what they are, and whether any maps will come with them
If they couldn’t make basic ass modes that literally anyone can edit together in 5 minutes in the 6 years it took them to make this, I seriously doubt they’ll have it out in the next 2 weeks.
My guess is 343 knew they nailed the gameplay, hooked everyone in with the beta and then released the trap once you all got into the full game. It's actually quite clever. Game companies know what their fans are saying/asking for, they hear it, they just don't care and know if they play their cards right they'll still be able to fool you. And in this case, they got ya again. They gave you the illusion of listening to the fans, and used that to their advantage.
There are some SERIOUSLY conspiracy-minded people out there suggesting that the game was made to be as economically bad as possible?
People need to stop assuming the worst
@@redandblack7243 lmao just because something is a conspiracy doesn't mean it's not true.
@@redandblack7243 plenty of conspiracies actually exist.
@@redandblack7243 I'd wager Microsoft even pays people to post positive comments and videos on social media.
Ah yes, they trapped you.. with a free multiplayer.
I firmly believe the reason modern games are lackluster in content is because the dev team is forced to put their attention to the monetization aspect of the game and work with their hands tied. Older games didn't have to worry about this, there was no 'live service', it's killing the game industry.
So.
Capitalism is killing triple a?
@@Peniche94 it’s not capitalism it’s the player base. If morons keep buying micro transactions and battle passes whilst praising the game of course 343 and Microsoft are going to take your money.
If monies flying around you’re Gunna grab it
Capitalism isn't intrinsically the issue, it's the low education level of the consumer base.
I don't know if people used to be smarter with their money, but certainly they've never been dumber with it.
@@Peniche94 no, it's the idiocy of the average player who actually decides to pay $20 for the color red.
This comment section is so based. I’ve been saying this everywhere and people literally cuss me out and nut hug multi million dollar corporations over me saying it’s unethical to charge money for the color white in a video game.
remember when there was no battlepass in any games? it was just.. the game, and whatever dlc came out later down the road... remember enjoying the game itself and not the shitty unlocks each battlepass gives, well I do..
Yeah but we complained map packs split the playerbase. If only we knew what “free to play” would turn into.
I love that people defend this too. "Think of the devs, man. They're starving man."
Times have changed:(
@@MelancholyPriest lmao devs barely finish a working game but they deserve the cheddar? Nah homie.
@@sheena1521 you agree with me
The game itself is really fun, but the #1 thing me and my friend were excited for was team doubles. We've literally playing team doubles together since we were 8 now we're 22
343 during the November 19th stream essentially implied that they wanted more freedom of customization, but wete limited by Microsoft.
I don't think developers are necessarily like putting such restrictions in there games like this. Normally when it's monetization, we should look more towards the publishers rather than developers.
There is some serious malicious things going on behind the scenes in the name of monetization. Its the publishers making the games worse all for money.
@@cobain2261 Yea we know, we've been trying to tell the gaming community that for years, but they don't freaking listen.
Disagree. I think it was 343, my proof - look at Forza, that is the most rewarding game to play ever.
@@chrisd2004 what? The game isn’t free to play tho and also there are monetizations and the game still has a bunch of bugs
@@chrisd2004 Understand though, the people making big decisions like monetization are NOT the people making the game, but the people in charge of people that are making it. Developers are following orders.
Imagine not having a team doubles playlist 😵
I know. How tf is that not in the game?
Or a swat or team snipers playlist.
they will add it soon lets be honest. The game is still beta, good thing the gameplay is good it can only improve in my eyes
Secondary color customizations.
ITS A BETA
It takes the blood from under my nails when devs "budget cut" features that take 5 minutes to make to ensure the rest of the game "will be better". ESPECIALLY when then 1/4 things about the game is still broken! Looking at you, Halo 5 theater, Halo Infinite Customs, And MCC launch!!!
I don't think custom games take 5 minutes though
@@11Survivor I mean things like a couple modes wirh different weapons, health, and another playlist or 4 in a menu
Theres a huge glaring problem with the customization because they said it would be free battle pass and they said they were "player first" it's very disappointing bc most of the customization is practically locked behind a paywall. I wish the customization was atleast like MCC
7:28 This is exactly why I’ve been playing 5+ year old games for a while now. I’m just done waiting for games to get better progressively. However, since it’s Halo, I have to play it day one.
It’s why I still play my N64 just as much as my Series X
@@moneyball32 just recently I dug out my Xbox 360 and PS2 and have been having a blast playing the games of those days. It’s also nice to see that Microsoft added some more games to their lineup of BC, even if it is the last batch to be added. Been replaying the Max Payne trilogy and loving every moment of it.
My friends ask me why I play older games, and this is why. So sick of playing unpolished, barren new titles, and waiting for them to get updates to fix them. This may not apply to the single player game industry that much, but so many multiplayer games nowadays never surpass like five modes. Some games only have one, and that's BR.
@@lightsubterfuge Bro I just hooked up my PS3 to play MotorStorm online again.