Coming from an Amazfit Bip, recently I bought a nice Venu2 Plus with an amazing Amoled screen, which I finally had to change for a Forerunner 255 with a humble MIP screen, not so glossy but much more practical (for my needs). I can nimbly check time and other parameters without spasmodic movements of hand and arm and it's great for my activity, mostly trekking under strong sunlight, perfect for a MIP screen. So it's a matter of taste and needs. My point of view is that if you need to constantly browse, most of the time you have your mobile phone at a hand!!!! much better and bigger screen
I'm considering to buy forerunner 265 or forerunner 255. For me, the most important part of those smartwatch is the lifespan of the watch itself. Which watch have better lifespan ? 255 with MIP screen or 265 with AMOLED screen ? Any answer or explanation will be very useful information for me, thanks !
Hi Steven. Probably the MIP one but to make sure take a look in the specs of the watch on Garmin Website. You will find the battery estimate for each of them.
The problem is that watch manufacturers are producing fewer and fewer models with mip displays. Amazfit has already stopped producing the legendary BIP. And what people should buy, who do not like round display ? There are practically no such watches on the market. Everyone loves amoled unfortunately..
I got an Tissot, an omega, 3 gshock casios, first gen apple watch, Samsung watch When I bought a bip for my son as a toy and he just never use it and was always throw around everywhere so I try it one time and I never change it, light, bright day and night, the app is atrocious but the only thing I use for its time Bip for life, atleast in my country they don't go down in price so it's expensive for how small it is atleast for me but already bought 2 more because is getting more rare
@@nexustom5823 exactly the same. I bought 2 pairs of Amazfit Bip as a reserve. These are no longer produced, and you can only find refurbished ones on Aliexpress. But sometimes it can be find unsold stock at local market. I’ve been wearing first Bip since 2017, during which time I’ve tried many watches, including ones with an Amoled display. And always returne to Bip. I think it’s simply not profitable for manufacturers to produce it, because it simple, hold a battery charge for a long time and no problems with them. Under capitalism, competition is needed, and to sell as many different products as possible for the purpose of profit.
@@nexustom5823 I did exactly the same. I bought 2 pairs of Amazfit Bip as a reserve. These are no longer produced, and can be only find refurbished ones on Aliexpress. But sometimes it can find unsold stock at your local market. I’ve been wearing the first Bip\ since 2017, during which time I’ve tried many watches, including ones with an Amoled display. And always returned to Bip. I think it’s simply not profitable for manufacturers to produce it, because it simple, hold battery charge for a long time and there are no problems with them. Under capitalism, competition is needed, and to sell as many different products as possible for the purpose of profit.
MIP all the way. MOST sports activities I do outdoors often in direct sunlight. I wish there was a phones with this type of display. i remember old phones had it. back in the 2003-2006 or so.
Yes I'm also MIP all the way on a watch. I think it could be problematic on a phone however because of the refresh rate. Info on a watch is much more static.
Been looking into getting a Garmin watch coming from an Apple Watch, seen a lot of reviews but this video has hands down the most actual useful information till now, thanks 👍
I think some of smartwatch should make also mip version. Same watch but different screen. Brands like samsung or huawei. I still have my first bip and i wear it only for sports but i woukd like have screen like day on my daily watch with full functionality. Wireless charging is also what i looking but if fenix got calling than i have a winner.
No, the only display which needs an energy only when changes it's state is eInk or ePaper one. LCDs must be driven by alternate current otherwise it will "burn out" after few days. The only difference is the the ability to be readable when the backlight is off.
MIP is not an LCD screen. MIP is in the same familly as your eInk or ePaper you mentioned and that is why when you left those kind of watch on the desk, they just still broadcasting the screen on. It's consume next to nothin to keep it on. I had a Suunto that instead of shutting down the screen, it was just keeping a static image, and was able to do it for over a month while still doing other things in the background.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox Unfortunately links are not allowed here. So here is a quote from Data Modul company, manufacturer of MITs: "Based on Low Temperature Poly Silicon (LTPS), each pixel of a MIP display is individually addressable. Each of these pixels includes its own 1-bit memory cell (SRAM) for storing information. In comparison to conventional LCDs, where the complete image content must first be transferred before a new image can be displayed, MIP displays only require the image information of the pixels whose content needs to be changed in order to be overwritten." LTPS is a kind of FET which drives pixels. So it is the LCD but it has it's own memory so the display driver - in other words a graphics card with computing power and several pages of memory - can be kept dormant when display displays a static image. And this display driver, not the display consumes most of the energy.
The king in that category is the Garmin enduro 2 : th-cam.com/video/pUo9t7DvbTE/w-d-xo.html If you are on a lower budget, I would recommend the Garmin Instinct 2 : th-cam.com/video/1qtMm3pLfTs/w-d-xo.html
No mention of dead pixels on the amoled if a pixil stays on for a long time at high brightness it can cause dead pixels it doesn’t mean it will happen but there is always a chance that it can happen but that is not a issue with a mip screen
Not regarding to screens in particular, but my question is do you shutdown "power off" your watches? Do you find it to have any negative or possitive effects of turning watches off you are not using?
I only turn off the watch that I don't use to not drain all the battery. But if I were a regular user, it would be on my wrist all the time so no. The only downside I realise is that you need to recalibrate the altimeter as the barometer did not keep track of the pressure change while it was off.
C'est vraiment une question de préférence entre la beauté de l'écran et la durée de la batterie. Personellement j'y vais pour le MIP. C'est très loins d'être une catastrophe... Mais en même temps, peut-être que ça peut l'être si on est habituer à un écran amoled. 😆
@@PascalMarquisUnbox merci , j aimerai savoir aussi si , vue le nombre de montre Garmin que vous avez déjà eu des ou un pixels mort sur l écran ? Et si Garmin couvre ce genre de défaut ? Merci
@@PascalMarquisUnbox j en ai vue sur le net et je me disais que vue le prix ça serait quand même dommage .. que pensez vous de la forunner 255 ? Je sais que ça n a rien à voire mais j hésitais entre ça et la dernière Fenix 7s pro saphire solar … parce que je trouve que la stratégie de GARMIN devient limite il lâche quelques nouveautés mineures a chaque fois .. mais sans plus , ce qui me fait hésiter c est le fait d attendre vraiment une vrai évolution et de pendre une forunner plus basique en attendant
Je n'ai pas testé la 255. Mais assurément, la 7s pro est un excellent choix. C'est vrai que c'est un peu frustrant ces nouveauté à court terme, mais en même temps, la superbe montre que tu achète reste tout de même aussi génial même s'il sort un nouveau modèle. 😉
The big model got a huge battery yes. But still, the long charge is in ''not always on mode''. I'm curently testing the Venu 3. Yes it's good looking, but I think I still prefer the MIP screen.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox . I got the Fenix 7X Sapphire last year and I love that watch. But I decided that I needed something less imposing for daily use and for sleeping so I got a Venu. Can't wait to start using it. I probably won't be in the market for another smartwatch for years to come but I'm sure by then I'll be looking at AMOLED watches given how much progress they have made (garmin in particular).
Yeah. Can't decide between Enduro 3 and AMOLED Fenix 8 :). And it's the pixel burn in I'm afraid the most, cause Fenix 8 51 already has the decent battery life.
@@Comeonmate7 Still undecided, but I'm leaning towards MIP. Yes AMOLED produces more beautiful image, but this is a watch, not an OLED TV for watching movies. It is supposed to show numbers and charts and this look fine on MIP, especially that E3/F8 MIP is much better than this in Fenix 7. Battery life and AOD is much more important on the watch, than OLED screen and colors... And this gesture to wake up AMOLED is so annoying and unreliable. F8-51 AMOLED with AOD lasts only 14 days (without trainings) and will eventually burin-in (after 1,2 or maybe 5 years). F8 Solar or E3 can last over a month on the single charge, is Always On and the screen will last for years. Last thing I'm undecided is whether it is worth paying extra 200$ (I have a discount for F8) for F8 Solar to get a speaker and less battery life over Enduro 3. I'm waiting for some good, detailed reviews of F8 Solar.
No mention of pixel burn-in which is most definitely an issue with AMOLED displays. Every AMOLED watch if kept in the always on mode will eventually result in screen burn-in. Some last longer than others but some will have visible burn-in in less than a year. This is the main reason why I prefer MIP and I just think an ambient lit display looks much more realistic and natural.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox if you are about to buy a watch with your own money. would you choose Fenix 7 pro (MIP) over Epix Pro (AMOLED)? which one do you prefer? most people I saw in the review would probably go for AMOLED. I know the watch was sending to them for a review. they don’t bought the watch with their own money. so they can choose whatever they want. I currently using garmin instinct 2 solar tactical. I want to upgrade to Fenix 7 Pro (47mm) or Epix Pro (47mm). I have small wrist btw. lol.
I bought an AMOLED watch after my first Bip died, and oh boy, I was in rage by the stupidity of it: a watch where you can't see the time unless it is emitting light?! I ended up sending it back and ordering another bip. That watch is pretty beat up now, so I'll just order two more of them before they completely disappear
If it's well program it's not a problem. The Garmin Epix I tested with it's night mode produce a very dimmed light that it's ok to watch. In fact it was probably producing less light than the backlight of the fenix you need to see the clock while you sleep for exemple.
Agreed, *very* distracting. I'm here for the information, not the dance. This is not preschool, sorry. Too bad, because the information looked promising.
Genius! I think nobody cant be confused anymore, explained in the clearest possible way! Good job
Ahah!! Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed! :)
Holy shit, this is the best video ive ever watched about Amoled vs MIP screens. Sir you did an amazing job, salute.
Ahah!! Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed! 😉
Your videos are fantastic, no fuzz, entertaining and packed with information that everybody understands. Great job.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed! :)
Coming from an Amazfit Bip, recently I bought a nice Venu2 Plus with an amazing Amoled screen, which I finally had to change for a Forerunner 255 with a humble MIP screen, not so glossy but much more practical (for my needs). I can nimbly check time and other parameters without spasmodic movements of hand and arm and it's great for my activity, mostly trekking under strong sunlight, perfect for a MIP screen. So it's a matter of taste and needs. My point of view is that if you need to constantly browse, most of the time you have your mobile phone at a hand!!!! much better and bigger screen
I'm considering to buy forerunner 265 or forerunner 255. For me, the most important part of those smartwatch is the lifespan of the watch itself. Which watch have better lifespan ? 255 with MIP screen or 265 with AMOLED screen ? Any answer or explanation will be very useful information for me, thanks !
Hi Steven. Probably the MIP one but to make sure take a look in the specs of the watch on Garmin Website. You will find the battery estimate for each of them.
255 without a doubt. However it's all relative. You may have replaced the watch before you notice the amoled display has degraded significantly.
The problem is that watch manufacturers are producing fewer and fewer models with mip displays.
Amazfit has already stopped producing the legendary BIP. And what people should buy, who do not like round display ?
There are practically no such watches on the market. Everyone loves amoled unfortunately..
I got an Tissot, an omega, 3 gshock casios, first gen apple watch, Samsung watch
When I bought a bip for my son as a toy and he just never use it and was always throw around everywhere so I try it one time and I never change it, light, bright day and night, the app is atrocious but the only thing I use for its time
Bip for life, atleast in my country they don't go down in price so it's expensive for how small it is atleast for me but already bought 2 more because is getting more rare
@@nexustom5823 exactly the same. I bought 2 pairs of Amazfit Bip as a reserve. These are no longer produced, and you can only find refurbished ones on Aliexpress. But sometimes it can be find unsold stock at local market.
I’ve been wearing first Bip since 2017, during which time I’ve tried many watches, including ones with an Amoled display. And always returne to Bip. I think it’s simply not profitable for manufacturers to produce it, because it simple, hold a battery charge for a long time and no problems with them. Under capitalism, competition is needed, and to sell as many different products as possible for the purpose of profit.
@@nexustom5823 I did exactly the same. I bought 2 pairs of Amazfit Bip as a reserve. These are no longer produced, and can be only find refurbished ones on Aliexpress. But sometimes it can find unsold stock at your local market.
I’ve been wearing the first Bip\ since 2017, during which time I’ve tried many watches, including ones with an Amoled display. And always returned to Bip. I think it’s simply not profitable for manufacturers to produce it, because it simple, hold battery charge for a long time and there are no problems with them. Under capitalism, competition is needed, and to sell as many different products as possible for the purpose of profit.
MIP all the way. MOST sports activities I do outdoors often in direct sunlight. I wish there was a phones with this type of display. i remember old phones had it. back in the 2003-2006 or so.
Yes I'm also MIP all the way on a watch. I think it could be problematic on a phone however because of the refresh rate.
Info on a watch is much more static.
Been looking into getting a Garmin watch coming from an Apple Watch, seen a lot of reviews but this video has hands down the most actual useful information till now, thanks 👍
Ahah!! Thank you so much. 😀
Do not miss the full version here : th-cam.com/video/-3uI_AB7lDE/w-d-xo.html
I think some of smartwatch should make also mip version. Same watch but different screen. Brands like samsung or huawei. I still have my first bip and i wear it only for sports but i woukd like have screen like day on my daily watch with full functionality. Wireless charging is also what i looking but if fenix got calling than i have a winner.
No, the only display which needs an energy only when changes it's state is eInk or ePaper one. LCDs must be driven by alternate current otherwise it will "burn out" after few days. The only difference is the the ability to be readable when the backlight is off.
MIP is not an LCD screen. MIP is in the same familly as your eInk or ePaper you mentioned and that is why when you left those kind of watch on the desk, they just still broadcasting the screen on.
It's consume next to nothin to keep it on.
I had a Suunto that instead of shutting down the screen, it was just keeping a static image, and was able to do it for over a month while still doing other things in the background.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox Unfortunately links are not allowed here. So here is a quote from Data Modul company, manufacturer of MITs: "Based on Low Temperature Poly Silicon (LTPS), each pixel of a MIP display is individually addressable. Each of these pixels includes its own 1-bit memory cell (SRAM) for storing information. In comparison to conventional LCDs, where the complete image content must first be transferred before a new image can be displayed, MIP displays only require the image information of the pixels whose content needs to be changed in order to be overwritten." LTPS is a kind of FET which drives pixels. So it is the LCD but it has it's own memory so the display driver - in other words a graphics card with computing power and several pages of memory - can be kept dormant when display displays a static image. And this display driver, not the display consumes most of the energy.
I see your point. Thanks for the info.
But still the energy consumption is very minimal.
Especially compared with an amoled screen.
That was the old amoled, but this new liquid crystal led display doesn't tend to burn in anymore.
What MIP smartwatch is available in 2023 that has long battery life?
The king in that category is the Garmin enduro 2 : th-cam.com/video/pUo9t7DvbTE/w-d-xo.html
If you are on a lower budget, I would recommend the Garmin Instinct 2 : th-cam.com/video/1qtMm3pLfTs/w-d-xo.html
Garmin Instinct 2X
Im considering to buy my 1st Garmin Watch. Which should i pick, Garmin Forerunner 955 or 265 ?
955 would be a safe bet.
I did not try the 265 but the 955 should just be more complete.
I love the way you present, and I subscribe because of this video 😊
No mention of dead pixels on the amoled if a pixil stays on for a long time at high brightness it can cause dead pixels it doesn’t mean it will happen but there is always a chance that it can happen but that is not a issue with a mip screen
I don't think any screen is protected from that kind of defectuosity.
Not regarding to screens in particular, but my question is do you shutdown "power off" your watches? Do you find it to have any negative or possitive effects of turning watches off you are not using?
I only turn off the watch that I don't use to not drain all the battery. But if I were a regular user, it would be on my wrist all the time so no. The only downside I realise is that you need to recalibrate the altimeter as the barometer did not keep track of the pressure change while it was off.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox fantastic thanks for the info. 😎👍
Casio GPR B1000~! MIP + HUGE battery. Solar + Wireless charging.
thanks for the video, very informative and well presented!
Thanks! :)
Very detailed and well compared thank you.
Bonjour, pour vous quelle est le mieux entre une épix pro 42 et une Fenix 7 pro 42 ?? Je n ai jamais eu de Garmin le MIP est il catastrophique ?
C'est vraiment une question de préférence entre la beauté de l'écran et la durée de la batterie. Personellement j'y vais pour le MIP. C'est très loins d'être une catastrophe... Mais en même temps, peut-être que ça peut l'être si on est habituer à un écran amoled. 😆
@@PascalMarquisUnbox merci , j aimerai savoir aussi si , vue le nombre de montre Garmin que vous avez déjà eu des ou un pixels mort sur l écran ? Et si Garmin couvre ce genre de défaut ? Merci
Salut Julien. Je n'ai jamais expérimenté de pixel mort sur aucune montre toute marque confondu.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox j en ai vue sur le net et je me disais que vue le prix ça serait quand même dommage .. que pensez vous de la forunner 255 ? Je sais que ça n a rien à voire mais j hésitais entre ça et la dernière Fenix 7s pro saphire solar … parce que je trouve que la stratégie de GARMIN devient limite il lâche quelques nouveautés mineures a chaque fois .. mais sans plus , ce qui me fait hésiter c est le fait d attendre vraiment une vrai évolution et de pendre une forunner plus basique en attendant
Je n'ai pas testé la 255. Mais assurément, la 7s pro est un excellent choix. C'est vrai que c'est un peu frustrant ces nouveauté à court terme, mais en même temps, la superbe montre que tu achète reste tout de même aussi génial même s'il sort un nouveau modèle. 😉
Pretty cool. Although I think this is less of an issue now with the new Epix Pro.
The big model got a huge battery yes.
But still, the long charge is in ''not always on mode''.
I'm curently testing the Venu 3.
Yes it's good looking, but I think I still prefer the MIP screen.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox . I got the Fenix 7X Sapphire last year and I love that watch. But I decided that I needed something less imposing for daily use and for sleeping so I got a Venu. Can't wait to start using it. I probably won't be in the market for another smartwatch for years to come but I'm sure by then I'll be looking at AMOLED watches given how much progress they have made (garmin in particular).
You are the best in garmin watchs
Thanks! :)
Wow, great info, and very well explained.
Ahah thanks! I'm glad it helped! :)
fenix 8 decision time
Yeah. Can't decide between Enduro 3 and AMOLED Fenix 8 :). And it's the pixel burn in I'm afraid the most, cause Fenix 8 51 already has the decent battery life.
what did you guys decide?? I’m stuck
@@Comeonmate7 Still undecided, but I'm leaning towards MIP. Yes AMOLED produces more beautiful image, but this is a watch, not an OLED TV for watching movies. It is supposed to show numbers and charts and this look fine on MIP, especially that E3/F8 MIP is much better than this in Fenix 7. Battery life and AOD is much more important on the watch, than OLED screen and colors... And this gesture to wake up AMOLED is so annoying and unreliable. F8-51 AMOLED with AOD lasts only 14 days (without trainings) and will eventually burin-in (after 1,2 or maybe 5 years). F8 Solar or E3 can last over a month on the single charge, is Always On and the screen will last for years. Last thing I'm undecided is whether it is worth paying extra 200$ (I have a discount for F8) for F8 Solar to get a speaker and less battery life over Enduro 3. I'm waiting for some good, detailed reviews of F8 Solar.
Are you Brazilian?
French Canadian.
the refresh rate of the MIP display is not so good, thats why casio does not have hunderds of a second
I saw a lot of MIP watches having hundreds of seconds, however, they are not all displayed. But if you stop, you have the right time at the end.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox I wonder why Casio MIP displays don't show hundreds of second
Well done, informative and entertaining. Regarding the entertaining aspect... I see your future in Sundance Utah ;)
Ahah thanks!
I'm not familiar with Sundance Utah, I'm not sure what you mean by that. 😅
No mention of pixel burn-in which is most definitely an issue with AMOLED displays. Every AMOLED watch if kept in the always on mode will eventually result in screen burn-in. Some last longer than others but some will have visible burn-in in less than a year. This is the main reason why I prefer MIP and I just think an ambient lit display looks much more realistic and natural.
I did not suffer from those dead pixel on the watch I tested. But I mainly use MIP screen too.
@@PascalMarquisUnbox if you are about to buy a watch with your own money. would you choose Fenix 7 pro (MIP) over Epix Pro (AMOLED)? which one do you prefer? most people I saw in the review would probably go for AMOLED. I know the watch was sending to them for a review. they don’t bought the watch with their own money. so they can choose whatever they want. I currently using garmin instinct 2 solar tactical. I want to upgrade to Fenix 7 Pro (47mm) or Epix Pro (47mm). I have small wrist btw. lol.
That was the old amoled, but this new liquid crystal led display doesn't tend to burn in anymore.
I bought an AMOLED watch after my first Bip died, and oh boy, I was in rage by the stupidity of it: a watch where you can't see the time unless it is emitting light?! I ended up sending it back and ordering another bip. That watch is pretty beat up now, so I'll just order two more of them before they completely disappear
If it's well program it's not a problem.
The Garmin Epix I tested with it's night mode produce a very dimmed light that it's ok to watch.
In fact it was probably producing less light than the backlight of the fenix you need to see the clock while you sleep for exemple.
It's MIP for me, longer battery life is more important :)
That is what I think so too. :)
Next time less emotions pls
Next time no comment pls
Agreed, *very* distracting. I'm here for the information, not the dance. This is not preschool, sorry. Too bad, because the information looked promising.
@@levon9Its called having a personality buddy
It's funny how I somehow upvoted every comment in this discussion
Totally agreed, maybe everyone is like this in his country
Does anyone else get major Karl Pilkington vibes from this guy?
First time I heard of him. 😅