@@realcuondaotherside i take it you don't know but wave of gold is kinda busted atm, the attack desyncs alot which makes dodging it damn near impossible alot of the time
@@realcuondaotherside you can easily see it even in this video when people are just walking into it cause they can’t properly see it on their screen. It doesn’t happen all the time, but often enough.
That was actually straight up bad advice. Most of the advice they give is... technically correct and will definitely make you win more. You'll just make people hate you. That advice, and a couple others, were just straight up wrong.
im lvl 240 and i use the soreseals still. If i dont have the requirements to use, say, lusat's staff, i just pop it on because i dont wanna respec just for that single weapon.
i’m honestly surprised he didn’t recommend riding Torrent to an otherwise unreachable part of the map before summoning as an efficient way to farm “maidenless recusants” 😂
Ah yes, Bloodhound Stepping with exploit on, 209 SLVL 138 poise, full bullgoats after someone who is trying to roll away to save their life "Come here you maidenless cur, how dare you try to live against my build that you can't defend or fight against!". This is unhinged.
I loved how, when discussing parries, the best footage they could muster was someone else parrying their own telegraphed attack. Just couldn't manage a parry themselves to record.
@@gerbmcderb8048 literally one of those guys in ds3 who got parried for r1 spamming with Irithyll SS and said "wtf parrying is op, I'll show those guys" and then gets backstabbed after mashing L2 with their +10 knight shield and softswap fire dagger
As a proud DS1 veteran, yes. Yes I do. I remember tumblebuffing a moveswapped ultra weapon that has a rapier moveset. Glorious. Add ninja flip ring? Perfection
@@paradoxington what are you "proud" of, exactly? shitting on other people's experience at every chance you get doesn't sound like something to boast about
The way he talks about it, makes me think he doesn't realize its cheating. I think he genuinely thinks its an intended mechanic, and I don't even blame him since his sources seem to be Fextra and random pvp forums.
@@ebonslayer3321 Yeah thats what I was thinking. If he found the combo there then it makes sense that he might not understand its an exploit. That's giving him the benefit of the doubt though, so maybe I'm wrong.
This will go down in history. IGN was so oblivious that it famously recommended an outright exploit of a game bug to win in competitive PvP without realizing it wasn't something that was functioning as intended. They were so dense, they thought it was legitimately how the developers intended the spells to interact with each other and told their viewers to use it in PvP. That is GOLD! I'm kinda shocked by the mount of buffs and talismans that get nerfed during PvP. It makes me wonder why they bothered including them. Why now reduce their effectiveness to better reflect their PvP versions and then reduce the massive HP and defenses of the end-game bosses so it doesn't seem like such a crippling nerf by comparison? Calling them "maidenless" for spamming roll, while using BHS to use an exploit to kill them... self-awareness really is just dead today, huh?
You think this might be some elaborate plan to prompt fromsoft to adjust these things quick? The more saturated the player base is with these exploits, the more glaring it is of an issue to fix. Yeah it does basically come with the cost of completely trashing their reputation but it might be possible.
The exploit with Fire's Deadly Sin and Bloodflame Blade accompanied by Bloodhound Step made me cackle. I don't think whoever made the guide has the self-awareness to understand how broken that is. I really hope the next big patch comes with so much overhaul that irons out a whole lot of the mechanics that are still unbalanced and take little to no brainpower from a player to use.
Is it confirmed an exploit? The interaction with the Eclipse Shotel was patched specifically. No word on other status effects interacting with Fires Deadly Sin.
@@Seance117 it is absolutely an exploit, but FDS has very strange interactions that aren't easy to iron out. Trainquil walk of Deathblight was BY FAR the worst so that specific interaction was patched out, which was understandable since they had to hotfix quickly due to outcry. The trouble is that because the Bleed aura isn't actually talked out that much the devs haven't prioritized it so it's still broken.
@@leiderhosen7110 if bleed gets patched the next up will be frostbite because fire IMMEDIATELY removes frostbite status effect and fire's deadly sin does fire damage so it will do the same thing as bleed if bleed ever gets patched out lol.
Dev never confirm this as an exploit, also they took the time to fix Death Flare from Eclipse Shotel, and it's been two major patches since, so I believe at this point DFS with Bloodflame is intentional, unfortunately.
I'm new to soulslike PVP, what do you guys mean by exploiting? What's the difference between stacking buffs/using specific spells/using weapon arts and cheating? Are what's considered exploits generally decided by the community?
@@bigmanontheinternet3824 Bloodflame blade + Fires deadly sin incant. They already patched out the Deathblight version of the exploit. They forgot about Bloodflameblade though. Fires deadly sin is bugged and applies status buildup of your weapon just by walking near people.
@@bigmanontheinternet3824 An exploit is an unintended interaction between elements/mechanics within the game, having some manner of benefit for the exploiter. The interaction between the incantations in question is absolutely not intended and will be dealt with whenever the next patch comes. Using it willingly is cheating. ER's problems, which peak in PvP, are far deeper than this one glitch though. The future of the game (in the long run) is quite uncertain, especially when compared with DS3's longevity. The game will definitely continue to struggle like this. Anyone's guess what it's "final" state will be.
@@Miranox2 that's what you call winning? That's like saying your the heavyweight champ because you payed a thug to break everyone else's arms you didn't win your just a loser.
@@Miranox2 Because it's fucking scummy. BHS, sure, you're an ass for using it but Fromsoft put it in the game, go fucking wild. This is not intended, it's a broken combination that shouldn't exist, its usage is akin to opening up cheat engine.
It kind of makes sense. Their editors have absolutely no understanding or investment in the community. Scott said it best - they're mostly right about their advice being effective, but I don't think they realize that most people who play this game think that what they're doing is super toxic. The community is just out of our hands now 🤷♂it kind of sucks but when a game gets more popular, the old community kind of gets displaced.
@LuvsicVI I was expecting their video to pretty much just be "uhh... Moonveil and Rivers of Blood are good." Not "FULL BULL GOATS BLOODHOUNDSTEPPING FINGERPRINT SHIELD WITH ROT BREATH AND STARS OF RUIN." Just thought they'd give a less sweaty guide to pvp not make giant dad 2.0 exploit edition.
@Sam 😅 IDK if people ever get tired of being shitters... I mean the gankers/R1 spammers never left DS3, people still play with Ice Rapier in DS2... DS1's community is the same as it's always been, i.e. the peak of exploit toxicity. My experience having been there for every transition except DeS to DS is that the community just changes hands and the culture changes too. Half the old guard rage quits, but the new community is bigger so their loss is unnoticed. So I really don't think these people are just gonna leave. This is why I really hope (but I do have faith) that they'll patch the worst stuff - because people never stop doing that cancerous stuff.
This isn't even sweaty its just scummy lol. I'd call halberds w flaming strike with veterans set and offstoc sweaty, and anything else that's meta but not the shit in this video. They're straight up toxic and crutches. Dude didn't even mention UGS poke because that takes 2 braincells to use instead 1
Well they have good data on things like quest lines or how to get certain things Just don’t take their advice, I’m pretty sure that’s where they fail usually
@@BenjaminBadbrother Its a 5% damage reduction in pvp. 15% in pve. Youre better off using the HP talisman +2 if you want to tank 1 more hit sometimes, or use the black flame buff or the crab meat. Those do not get reduced in PvP
Everything in this guide. "Cuz its ez. And it does a lot of damage" Here is my guide. Put 16 int on all your builds. Grab your self a dagger, and the staff of loss. Cast assassins gambit, then hidden body. And piss off all the mages.
@@brayachdragonbane7529 It is because healing gives the host a HUGE advantage, and will not be patched out until we get dedicated arenas. The Fire's Deadly Sin combo will likely not last long, especially with a platform this huge promoting it. Still disgusting, and if it's NOT patched out, then yeah, definitely worse to actively promote an exploit.
@@hughmann9568 i mean im more an invader than a duelist so, healing really means little to me.... people heal a lot in invasions so. and its not like half of all duelists dont run bubbletear in their physic flask or beastial vit for the free 660 hp
I love how this guy's guide on how to get good at pvp is literally grind levels, beat the game, and cheat. Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to improve at level 80 invasions with +17 regular and +7 somber weapons, while getting teabagged by 3-man gank squads with overleveled phantoms. The losses and teabagging hurt, yeah, but achieving victory in a 3v1 without exploits is a feeling that cannot be replicated!
Players who roll are maidenless... but condones/recommends BHS. This is what happens when pekple latch on to the meme without knowing they themselves are the joke. Just like how "git gud" is a generic inflammatory remark now, as opposed to a brush off of another's lack of skill. "Maidenless behavior" is now synonymous with "anybody who doesn't exploit or use the most braindead/broken tools possible". It's flip turned on it's head due to it's own popularity.
I am pretty sure nobody but oro knew that some things have reduced effectiveness in PvP. Sure wouldve been nice to have an accurate guide made by a PvP expert. i wonder where we could find such a person?
I thought I commented this earlier, but it's not showing up. If something has reduced effectiveness in PVP it's actually mentioned on the wiki. Fextra is usually inaccurate, but a broken clock is right twice a day.
@@ebonslayer3321 But noone would think to go look at the wiki for stuff that random (unless they have a dedicated page that advertised). Also not sure when that got added to the wiki vs when IGN made that video. Obviously i am being hyperbolic for lulz but thats very uncommon knowledge.
@@emwZEEK Iirc, most of this shit doesn't grant specific numbers (may be confusing with previous games so correct me if I'm wrong), so to get their numbers they need to go to the wiki or learn from another source of arguable trustworthiness.
@@ebonslayer3321 When i say "noone" i am referring to average players. If you want to say IGN is dumb for only half reading the wiki pages for info sure, i didnt even see the defense of IGN i made in that reply until a double take. I think some of the items are somewhat obvious to the values when you are looking at the stat screen before and after equipping them though.
I'm normally against Gatekeeping... But I need to take a trip to the Stormgate real quick. Godrick's men are gonna need some help to keep that trash out. Bastards aren't even fit for Grafting.
I still think they should of kept the equip load tied to strength instead of endurance. The only builds that should be able to stack insane poise should be the slow colossal weapons that need to trade with people not rivers of blood
Ya switching fire resist for equip load from strength would be fine. It gives heavy armor and weapon users more physical defense and poise options while the others have access to the elemental defenses.
Thats why we always have a meta level that every player sticks with if you want to do pvp. Its just high enough to get your damage health and stamina up but ignoring the other stats. So that builds are truly builds around a specific trait. Not a build that does everything
Something even oro missed, is that Lusat's Staff doesn't even actually have a bonus to spell cast damage. The only passive is the bonus FP cost, which does get doubled to 200% total cost if you dual-wield them. You'll just see it having way higher spell scaling than any other once you're at 80 int...Also crystal knots are 10 points. Which we all know, except for this IGN guy
After so many games with terrible launch PvP, we've finally reached the point where even IGN is fucking SPEEDRUNNING turning the game into an unplayable pile of shit. Y'all thought there were a lot of RoB and BHS spammers already? You ain't seen NOTHING yet.
TH-camr JeeNiNe made a perfect list of all the changes Fromsoft should make. Honestly, most of them wouldn't be that hard. If they do that, Elden Ring has really good fundamental mechanics and variety. This is definitely a case of a very dirty gem. I'm giving it a little time. DS3 was also completely saved by patches, but it took basically a full year before PvP was tolerable. I'll give Elden Ring the same time - Fromsoft has incentive to make it happen since they're gonna want to keep the hype going to sell DLC.
@@monsieurdorgat6864 jeen is a consumer, ultimately. His critiques are of course constructive, but I think there are things behind the curtain that prevent devs from implementing things that seems good, since in a conservative society like Japan everything is rooted in studying similar, past occurrences in their recorded history so as to not repeat the same mistakes. This largely makes them averse to any risk, but when they do take risk they are absolutely confident in it so I guess things just take longer to process there?
@@monsieurdorgat6864 Those points are woefully optimistic. Fundamentally, ER is DS3 (if the AR on most all weapons was doubled/tripled on L2,) which isn't a complement. I'm very familiar with Jee and despite respecting him immensely as a player, I don't agree that Souls games fundamentally NEED to be just spacing and timing, and just deleting BHS and Fingerprint, and lowering damage isn't good enough. ER would still be missing one of the holy fighting game trinity of attacks, blocks and throws. And DS3 was "fixed" with patches? Every single patch notes was me going down the list and getting progressively angrier. Patching out cool tech like fist combos, shieldskipping and boss invasions, and adding Follower's and Murky. When I said it's only going to get worse from here, I wasn't exaggerating. If they do somehow fix things in time for the DLC, the DLC is just gonna fuck it up all over again.
Legitimately made me wanna punch something when he said it’s maidenless to “spam dodges”. And using that exploit is a great way to “catch tarnished who like to run”. Legit trash talking people trying to play the game honestly for running away from the most broken, overpowered, cheating nonsense you can find and exploit and they’re maidenless for dodging.
still its pretty annoying if you met a BHS on either uchi + moonveil+ Ruins/ ROB + nagakiba sets. it makes me feel like my build is not good enough. Katana in general still over tuned AF except some like Hand of Malenia and to some extent meteoric ore. I wish there is a 15-20% damage nerf for Katana ash of wars and Magic else everyone will just use them over the others.
@@WhiteRaito always keep a "deleter" in the pocket in cause someone is too maidenless to handle. Other than that, just have fun. Triumphing against unfair odds is so satisfying.
@@Varnsie yeah but the winning chance is definitely lower and kinda discouraging sometimes. i would go to the point not summoning any mage/katana whether they had BHS or not as of late in a duel when i am on the SL 125/301 pool. most of the weapon is fair compared any Katana/Stars of ruin build nowadays on the 125/ 301+ pool. The one that has alot more variety is on the 150-170 pool. But may be its just me or my region thing. I am fine if people use Hammer/CGS/ Heavy thrusting/UGS and other less Meta stuffs like Roar Ashes Fist / Waves of Darkness etc...because its skill dependant most of the time some are actually a very good and fun 3 minute fight. But i do keep a BHS type weapon in inventory incase some people uses it regardless of the weapon stereotype.
I think some people tend to forget why we made fun of "casuls" and take something as ign as serious to the point of roasting them. Also the exploit thing probably isn't known by casuls, since even they recomend using dragoncrest greatshield.
Amazing how not 1 single dagger, hammer, straight sword, whip etc was shown. Just the most broken weapons and respective skills, poise monsters, the fire's deadly sin glitch, sorcery spam and so on. Truly an excellent way to incite healthy pvp on newer players.
If this was presented as satire it might've been funny, but homeboy is completely serious. Miazaki help us, the pvp scene is gonna be even more scuffed after this.
“Build guide” Is level 209- Uses the most op low-skill sets in the whole game- Uses literal glitches- Makes fun of people while using said glitches- Encourages fat rolling- Sorceal at level 209- How do you even-… what??
@@UhCold I guess you could argue that using that might make people confuse you for using a crimson flask, that's why the crimson tears in physick are generally not used.
@@Lofarzel31 even healing with incantations is dishonorable. Healing of any kind is not kosher in duels. Regen is on the fence, I don't care to see it cuz I think it breaks the pacing
Opaline Bubble has some use in the tournies that were done so far that were done to supposedly ease flask punish. But that's just a very specific use of it, so it's not entirely worthless.
That's because tournaments have a lot of the stronger tears banned-I know it's not entirely worthless but I personally would never recommend using it over the others
I think he genuinely believes that the Fire's Deadly Sin exploit is an intended game mechanic (after there were TWO other exploits related to it that were patched) and isn't aware that he's telling people to use an exploit. How does he not see that the ability to deal bleed damage just by existing is unfair?
I feel for the IGN guy. I really don’t think he’s trying to promote exploiting or incorrect information, but simply doesn’t understand how much more complex the PvP systems are. He simply doesn’t know any better. Sure, he should have done his research, I will say that much. But some of this information is pretty hard to find if you aren’t actively engaging in PvP discourse online. This guy just seems like someone who played the game and took what they learned from the PvE and thought that information was enough to make a guide. Hope he gets some good constructive feedback so that maybe he feels inspired to take the video down and rework it before uploading a more accurate video.
That’s the main issue with IGN though, their staff doesn’t have the knowledge nor time to stick with a single game enough to learn the more complex systems, so you end up with a casual noob’s strategy that he picked up from TH-cam’s top recommended clickbait instead of a more dedicated player’s in-depth knowledge of exactly how the game’s systems function at the very base level
@@Ezzekiel73 this is what I was getting at. IGN isn’t a dedicated Souls outlet. The person that worked on this guide probably has other games to get to, and doesn’t have the time needed to properly research Elden Ring’s obtuse systems to make an accurate guide. They probably also don’t care if the guide is accurate or not, and just need to meet their deadline and move onto their next project.
Those are the same people in the arena that spam all that junk, win a few fights in a row but then run into true veterans and get thier butts kicked complaining about "roll spamming" and sending hatemail saying you are garbage/delete the game/no life ect.
Extremely telling that anytime he talks about tactics like parrying and blocking he only has footage of his negative iq build getting trashed by other players using those tactics against him, because he isn't anywhere good enough to pull off a parry or a similar tactic. fucking absolutely smoothbrained behavior
Rune Level 209? Fire's Deadly Sin and Bloodflame Blade? I've been doing it all wrong 80int with Stars of Ruin and Darkmoon Greatsword and nothing compared to this. Truly the Meta has been set.
IGN on how to get into PVP: "Use Cheat Engine, get all stats to 99, turn on infinite stamina and FP, then bloodhound step non stop and spam Corpse Piler. Be sure to join a 5 man gank squad. 3 of you can spam Stars of Ruin while the rest hack the game to make it possible to use Dark Bead. In duels, always remember to frantically attack and spam your strongest spells while someone is spawning so that you can stunlock and kill them in seconds. Oh, and grind to RL500 for best results."
I also love the small little addin that he had a clip of someone else parrying him when he was explaining it, dude probably couldn’t pull a parry off if he had a hundred parry frames against a greatsword
It's actually easier to invade at higher levels it's easier t invade t 200+ then 150 130 or 160 I have builds in all 4 ranges seems alot easier past 200
Yeah first playthrough I went to sl200 and all my friends I played with throughout the game went even higher, 300, 400, 500 etc. I've made more characters for different builds and endings at 75, 125, and 150 so people need to realize most of the player base don't care or even know about meta soul level PvP just like all of my friends and people are going to level to whatever and use whatever they want in the game.
While I don't quite agree with lvl125 as the accepted standard for duels, LVL200+?!?!?! Pure insanity! As for exploits, this is just sad. I play an arcane-faith melee build, found that it's so fucking easy to play that I had to re-spec so I could enjoy a damn challenge. I really do hope those exploits get patched out soon. Anyway, it's clear that IGN is just making a guide for the "Game Journo Special", they definitely don't want a challenge in this game that centers around being challenging. Truly, IGN is a maidenless company.
@@samuel_3874 Noted, thanks for that mention, makes sense with invasions why the sky would be the limit, I meant duels for the most part. I stopped at lvl 163, and I still personally think that can be pushing it for a balanced fight.
Duels are “agreed” at 125 because it’s an average level people will be for end game and allows for creativity with limitations. Getting too high of level just allows everyone to make a strong build without punishment for putting too many points elsewhere, that’s why everyone has bullgoat’s at 200+ because…what else are you gonna dump your points into? Lol
I really really hope that the ign guy is really just so uninformed that he doesn’t realize he’s promoting an exploit. Ain’t no way he actually went “want to pvp properly? Just cheat lol”
This guide should have called " how to survive invasions you can't hande with" This is not a guide for pvp is a guide for a cooperative casual gamers getting melted by invasors
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise -- players who used to crutch on these "tools" will now stop using them out of fear of being called IGN shitters!!
More like they will be forced to stop using them when From patches most of these in the next month, once their sweaty build is nerfed into the floor they won't be able to PvP since they will be just instantly killed by actually PvP players.
I like veterans and bull goats for fashion. I use one of the tryhard sets but before it was popular, lionels head, vets chest, bull goats arms and legs. Looks goofy and I love it.
These games will always have builds and combinations that become OP and exploitative in PVP because the balance is (and should always be) focused on the core PVE experience, but *real* guides should teach players how to approach and become better at PVP rather than just showing those strongest meta builds that overwhelm most opponents who aren't already experts.
Pvp players are the ones who stay as long as possible and it was like this since ds1 or even demon's souls. Balancing pvp is very important when the game hits its first year and further and then stop at some point.
This was sad but hilarious. At best, this will force Fromsoft to patch these issues. At worse, the game stays like it is now. Which is fine, to be fair. The only people who will use these are either extremely casual, or "trolls". Both are easy enough to deal with. Block communication with the trolls, when the game dies down and only the PvP community is left, they'll have no one to play with except others like them. And just destroy the casuals, but make sure they know how free the kill is. I'm getting some serious DS1 vibes from the whole thing. It's not just "invading" anymore. It's full on warfare, like it was back in the day. And I kinda like it...
you know... I never expected this off from an official websites who dedicate their brand over sharing tips, guides & info on other games, never thought they'd promote exploits but here we are.
"Here's my build, here's an exploit to cheat, here's the most overpowered shit in the game. Good luck sucker!" Idk man, that sounds like a pretty good guide to me lmfao, that's how I learned to play the game. Except it was me on the receiving end of it in elementary school
I FUCKING ADORE 3:46 when IGN-Man is doing his cinematic cam while being killed during a parry then CUTS to another clip as soon as the opponents point-down animation starts lmao
Radagons sore seal doesn't reduce your health, it reduces ALL of your defensive stats by about 20 points (which is a lot). You can see what it does by looking at your defense stats from the equipment menu. If you have a low defense stats and put on the sore seal it will literally take you into negative defense stats.
@@pizza-for-mountains Reducing defense is reducing effective health. The more defense you have the less health you lose per tick of damage = *effectively* (in effect) your health is increased by the fact that you lose less health per tick.
For a Pvp "Guide" the idea should be to essentially teach people the basics of PvP, showcase some rough builds so people understand how to build for PvP vs PvE and for me the best advice I got from a video was pick a weapon type that you enjoy and stick with it until you feel like you improve. Don't keep swapping weapons around if you find you're struggling to win fights. Learn how to fight with your weapon and be good and learn how to play around other weapons first before moving onto another type of weapon, that way when you use that type you know how people can counter you and what your weaknesses might be. This IGN Guide essentially tells players to equip the heaviest armour they can, pick a strong bust weapon and shield and abuse expoits. If any of this gets nerfed your entire build is ruined, you get set back to square one because you're not learning anything by playing like this.
Now I'm debating whether this or Fextralife's Midir guide is worse. I'm still going with Midir guide, since that one requires only mechanical knowledge of the game while pvp requires more. Though using a literal exploit puts the two videos very close.
@@twistedfox9445 A supposed boss fight guide. It told people to chase the tail and in some cases downright stated it didn't know how to avoid a move. It's ridiculously bad.
God. Seeing Oroboro rip this video to shreds makes me want to see him construct the most disgusting Pvp guide video where he, in a similar manner to this guy, shows everyone the most vile and repulsive builds/strategies to employ while calling everyone MaiDeNlEss rUnts
This is just one more video in the casul community promoting negating challenge rather than overcoming and learning from it. Its teaching people to play pvp and pve with crutches and it’s sad that From games have become more and more mutual with such.
I just watched Scott's video, and in defense of this guy, I do think he is just some poor shumuck who didn't know that the bloodflame blade thing is a glitch. Not supporting it, but it didn't sound like he was trying to encourage cheating.
Maaan this video sums up why I didn’t play much if elden ring after my first playthrough as a pvp stan. Idk if it’s just recency bias, but I feel like this game has way more busted pvp scenarios than previous from games
Yeah for invasions for sure. Even Scott Jund said he was humbled by how much action he was getting invading at 200+ and imo 200+ puts everyone on kind of an even playing field where skill becomes even more of a deciding factor since everyone is doing ridiculous damage
I think it has to do with how many runes you get in a playthrough and that the game is still has a huge playerbase, you are gonna find more people right now at the level most people end their playthrough at, in a 2-5 year most people still playing will probably be closer to 125.
@@Crispierbug I’ll be in the minority then because I refuse to intentionally choose between survivability or damage. I take both. I hit the final cap on vigor, final caps on my damage stats and level endurance and mind accordingly. It’s just how I like to play. Most of my builds end up between levels 180-200+
The fact that he's trash talking dodges while using every broken thing he can is beyond me
To be fair, wave of gold is really good to throw out and then rush in to clean up
@@realcuondaotherside i take it you don't know but wave of gold is kinda busted atm, the attack desyncs alot which makes dodging it damn near impossible alot of the time
I didn't know it desynced. I tend not to use it very much anyway because it does so much damage.
@@realcuondaotherside you can easily see it even in this video when people are just walking into it cause they can’t properly see it on their screen. It doesn’t happen all the time, but often enough.
trash talks dodges but proceeds to use BHS
Honestly, the Radagon's Soreseal at Lvl 209 is just the icing on the cake.
That was actually straight up bad advice. Most of the advice they give is... technically correct and will definitely make you win more. You'll just make people hate you.
That advice, and a couple others, were just straight up wrong.
@goggles789 you can have too many stats if they are already 99
@@ShiningDarknes ... That's the joke my guy
im lvl 240 and i use the soreseals still. If i dont have the requirements to use, say, lusat's staff, i just pop it on because i dont wanna respec just for that single weapon.
@@dreeeamo how do you not have the requirements all the way at 240? Get your life together lol.
i’m honestly surprised he didn’t recommend riding Torrent to an otherwise unreachable part of the map before summoning as an efficient way to farm “maidenless recusants” 😂
Ign do in fact have a guide on afk farming. Truly maidenless
@@SpeciousCrab no fucking way
@@YTDariuS-my6dg slight correction. They did have one but it seems to have mysteriously disappeared
@@SpeciousCrab "mysteriously disappeared" I hope this "PvP Guide" does too
@@SpeciousCrab archive?
Ah yes, Bloodhound Stepping with exploit on, 209 SLVL 138 poise, full bullgoats after someone who is trying to roll away to save their life "Come here you maidenless cur, how dare you try to live against my build that you can't defend or fight against!". This is unhinged.
dont forget the fingerprint greatshield on top of that poise and armor XD
I haven't read IGN's dark souls 2 guide yet but I have a feeling that it's SL300 buttface havel mage
Still wearing the Soreseal btw lmao
This makes the level 387 guy from DS1 look tame
So fucking weird to see you after all these years as a fan of generation hollow on this channel
I loved how, when discussing parries, the best footage they could muster was someone else parrying their own telegraphed attack. Just couldn't manage a parry themselves to record.
Yeah why parry when you can literally exploit, guy just threw parrying in there because he sees his bloodfang getting parried half the time lol.
@@gerbmcderb8048 literally one of those guys in ds3 who got parried for r1 spamming with Irithyll SS and said "wtf parrying is op, I'll show those guys" and then gets backstabbed after mashing L2 with their +10 knight shield and softswap fire dagger
@@pizza-for-mountains nah its the farron blender dudes that just spamed the beyblade shit and got parried.
Also he pretty much got one shoted (AT LEVEL 209!)
Thats game journos in all their glory lmao
Holy shit this is bad...
Aren't you the guy that says not to knock people for the 'strategies' they use to win...? I unsubbed from your channel for that reason.
@@Nehilism I'm sure he's heartbroken.
@@zkt95 Pointing out hypocrisy where it is matters.
@@Nehilism If using exploits isn't bad for you, then I am scared what your "strategy" is.. that's how I at least interpreted your message
@@Nehilism and he's absolutely right. It doesn't apply to the multiplayer aspect, of course.
Yikes. Anyone defending the IGN video is telling on themselves that they support exploits and cheating
As a proud DS1 veteran, yes. Yes I do. I remember tumblebuffing a moveswapped ultra weapon that has a rapier moveset. Glorious. Add ninja flip ring? Perfection
@Estrogen Fury that’s the issue no one just exploits in pve
It's the perfect guide to winning pvp in other words
@@paradoxington what are you "proud" of, exactly? shitting on other people's experience at every chance you get doesn't sound like something to boast about
@@paradoxington cringe as hell lol
If the Carian parry glitch still existed it would be in the video and promoted as a viable build.
Oh it exists... it just does "meh, its nerfed to hell" damage.
@@shadedias5563 It doesn't though, the projectiles do less dmg AND are visible now, wich was the biggest problem.
@@glaziumtck8593 You can still self parry, I thought that was what was being referred to.
@@shadedias5563 Ah yes it can still be self parried... i don't mind it tho.
@@glaziumtck8593 Same TBH. Love seeing idiots use it, fail to insta kill cause of the nerf... then quit cause they can';t fight.
The way he talks about it, makes me think he doesn't realize its cheating. I think he genuinely thinks its an intended mechanic, and I don't even blame him since his sources seem to be Fextra and random pvp forums.
His source is probably reddit lol.
@@ebonslayer3321 Yeah thats what I was thinking. If he found the combo there then it makes sense that he might not understand its an exploit. That's giving him the benefit of the doubt though, so maybe I'm wrong.
@@ebonslayer3321 as bad as it is, even reddit hates exploiting. It seems really unlikely to me that the guy wouldn't know it's a glitch
@@Pizza_is_old Reddit also hates PVP, so I don't doubt he got the idea to exploit there.
What other major sources should one use outside of a wiki and different forums of people talking about their experiences?
I like how they had to demonstrate a parry with themselves getting parried.
they have never landed a single parry in pvp or pve guaranteed
@@hardboiledbug gundyr would have a field day with this guy
This will go down in history. IGN was so oblivious that it famously recommended an outright exploit of a game bug to win in competitive PvP without realizing it wasn't something that was functioning as intended. They were so dense, they thought it was legitimately how the developers intended the spells to interact with each other and told their viewers to use it in PvP. That is GOLD!
I'm kinda shocked by the mount of buffs and talismans that get nerfed during PvP. It makes me wonder why they bothered including them. Why now reduce their effectiveness to better reflect their PvP versions and then reduce the massive HP and defenses of the end-game bosses so it doesn't seem like such a crippling nerf by comparison?
Calling them "maidenless" for spamming roll, while using BHS to use an exploit to kill them... self-awareness really is just dead today, huh?
You think this might be some elaborate plan to prompt fromsoft to adjust these things quick?
The more saturated the player base is with these exploits, the more glaring it is of an issue to fix.
Yeah it does basically come with the cost of completely trashing their reputation but it might be possible.
@@mlhx9181 This is IGN we're talking about. There's not enough brain cells there for anything "elaborate" to be going on.
The exploit with Fire's Deadly Sin and Bloodflame Blade accompanied by Bloodhound Step made me cackle. I don't think whoever made the guide has the self-awareness to understand how broken that is. I really hope the next big patch comes with so much overhaul that irons out a whole lot of the mechanics that are still unbalanced and take little to no brainpower from a player to use.
Is it confirmed an exploit? The interaction with the Eclipse Shotel was patched specifically. No word on other status effects interacting with Fires Deadly Sin.
@@Seance117 it is absolutely an exploit, but FDS has very strange interactions that aren't easy to iron out.
Trainquil walk of Deathblight was BY FAR the worst so that specific interaction was patched out, which was understandable since they had to hotfix quickly due to outcry.
The trouble is that because the Bleed aura isn't actually talked out that much the devs haven't prioritized it so it's still broken.
@@Seance117 It went under the Radar because the other versions were used WAY more.
@@leiderhosen7110 if bleed gets patched the next up will be frostbite because fire IMMEDIATELY removes frostbite status effect and fire's deadly sin does fire damage so it will do the same thing as bleed if bleed ever gets patched out lol.
Dev never confirm this as an exploit, also they took the time to fix Death Flare from Eclipse Shotel, and it's been two major patches since, so I believe at this point DFS with Bloodflame is intentional, unfortunately.
Bruh this is the sweatiest thing ive ever watched. Kinda sad that they went as far as exploiting... This is not what elden ring needed.
Like exactly how much sweat? And are we talking ball sweat or armpit sweat?
@@cainification Foreskin.
I'm new to soulslike PVP, what do you guys mean by exploiting? What's the difference between stacking buffs/using specific spells/using weapon arts and cheating? Are what's considered exploits generally decided by the community?
@@bigmanontheinternet3824 Bloodflame blade + Fires deadly sin incant. They already patched out the Deathblight version of the exploit. They forgot about Bloodflameblade though. Fires deadly sin is bugged and applies status buildup of your weapon just by walking near people.
@@bigmanontheinternet3824 An exploit is an unintended interaction between elements/mechanics within the game, having some manner of benefit for the exploiter. The interaction between the incantations in question is absolutely not intended and will be dealt with whenever the next patch comes. Using it willingly is cheating.
ER's problems, which peak in PvP, are far deeper than this one glitch though. The future of the game (in the long run) is quite uncertain, especially when compared with DS3's longevity. The game will definitely continue to struggle like this. Anyone's guess what it's "final" state will be.
maidenless tarnished 😂 im dead
Lmao
Dude can't even pull of a parry and he's talking mad crap.
Its insanity that they just openly told people to exploit lmao
Why not if you want to win?
@@Miranox2 that's what you call winning? That's like saying your the heavyweight champ because you payed a thug to break everyone else's arms you didn't win your just a loser.
@@Miranox2 Because it's fucking scummy. BHS, sure, you're an ass for using it but Fromsoft put it in the game, go fucking wild. This is not intended, it's a broken combination that shouldn't exist, its usage is akin to opening up cheat engine.
@@Miranox2 You're funny
@@Miranox2 because it's cheating? cheating to win isn't winning.
Was definitely not expecting fucking IGN of all channels to make the sweatiest pvp guide around.
It kind of makes sense. Their editors have absolutely no understanding or investment in the community.
Scott said it best - they're mostly right about their advice being effective, but I don't think they realize that most people who play this game think that what they're doing is super toxic.
The community is just out of our hands now 🤷♂it kind of sucks but when a game gets more popular, the old community kind of gets displaced.
Why not? IGN are famous for bad reviews and bad guides. These builds are literally game journalist difficulty. BH step + exploits lol.
@LuvsicVI I was expecting their video to pretty much just be "uhh... Moonveil and Rivers of Blood are good." Not "FULL BULL GOATS BLOODHOUNDSTEPPING FINGERPRINT SHIELD WITH ROT BREATH AND STARS OF RUIN." Just thought they'd give a less sweaty guide to pvp not make giant dad 2.0 exploit edition.
@Sam 😅 IDK if people ever get tired of being shitters... I mean the gankers/R1 spammers never left DS3, people still play with Ice Rapier in DS2... DS1's community is the same as it's always been, i.e. the peak of exploit toxicity.
My experience having been there for every transition except DeS to DS is that the community just changes hands and the culture changes too. Half the old guard rage quits, but the new community is bigger so their loss is unnoticed.
So I really don't think these people are just gonna leave. This is why I really hope (but I do have faith) that they'll patch the worst stuff - because people never stop doing that cancerous stuff.
This isn't even sweaty its just scummy lol. I'd call halberds w flaming strike with veterans set and offstoc sweaty, and anything else that's meta but not the shit in this video. They're straight up toxic and crutches. Dude didn't even mention UGS poke because that takes 2 braincells to use instead 1
Honestly I'm surprised literally anyone still pays any kind of attention to ign
I think this is why they still pay attention, because theyre hilariously out of touch
@@executioner_ecgbert884 thats true I suppose
Well they have good data on things like quest lines or how to get certain things
Just don’t take their advice, I’m pretty sure that’s where they fail usually
@@yamnbam4346 yeah but they are usually super late compared to most youtubers even small ones if thats the case anyway
I legit did not know dragoncrest greatshield and defense talismans in general was weaker in PvP so thanks! I have a new slot to fill!
yeah same, good info
5% weaker. 15% damage reduction still seems pretty good to me.
@@BenjaminBadbrother iirc it's a 5% damage mit in pvp, not 5% less than pve. Really not worth using at all tbh
@@BenjaminBadbrother it’s not 15%, it’s almost entirely useless in pvp
@@BenjaminBadbrother Its a 5% damage reduction in pvp. 15% in pve. Youre better off using the HP talisman +2 if you want to tank 1 more hit sometimes, or use the black flame buff or the crab meat. Those do not get reduced in PvP
Why does he say his exploit build “punishes running”??? It literally encourages people to run by making it their only option. It punishes fighting you
It punishes summoning you for duels lmao
Everything in this guide. "Cuz its ez. And it does a lot of damage"
Here is my guide. Put 16 int on all your builds. Grab your self a dagger, and the staff of loss. Cast assassins gambit, then hidden body. And piss off all the mages.
I fucking love you for this 😎
@@traegodia enjoy it it is hillarious.
Throw ruin fragments at them randomly
This is maddening and I love it
IGN PvP guide: literally cheat
I love how Oro just ignored the video encouraging healing w/ tears mid-duel like it's not even the worst thing lol
i mean, its not.... especially when they're SUPPORTING a serious exploit
@@brayachdragonbane7529 It is because healing gives the host a HUGE advantage, and will not be patched out until we get dedicated arenas. The Fire's Deadly Sin combo will likely not last long, especially with a platform this huge promoting it. Still disgusting, and if it's NOT patched out, then yeah, definitely worse to actively promote an exploit.
@@brayachdragonbane7529 there is a special place in hell for people who violate the honor of the 1v1
@@hughmann9568
i mean im more an invader than a duelist so, healing really means little to me.... people heal a lot in invasions so.
and its not like half of all duelists dont run bubbletear in their physic flask or beastial vit for the free 660 hp
I guess it depends on the invasion. SOmeone invades you it's all fair game but probably bm in a 1v1 duel.
I love how this guy's guide on how to get good at pvp is literally grind levels, beat the game, and cheat.
Meanwhile, I'm doing my best to improve at level 80 invasions with +17 regular and +7 somber weapons, while getting teabagged by 3-man gank squads with overleveled phantoms.
The losses and teabagging hurt, yeah, but achieving victory in a 3v1 without exploits is a feeling that cannot be replicated!
that's the spirit
Yeah 2 wrongs don’t make a right. Stay honorable
O7
Good, stay strong and don't turn frenzied!
Do anything at your level, the gank squads will never leave cause your just feeding em.
IGN: *calls players who roll maidenless*
Also IGN: *uses exploits*
???
Players who roll are maidenless... but condones/recommends BHS.
This is what happens when pekple latch on to the meme without knowing they themselves are the joke.
Just like how "git gud" is a generic inflammatory remark now, as opposed to a brush off of another's lack of skill. "Maidenless behavior" is now synonymous with "anybody who doesn't exploit or use the most braindead/broken tools possible".
It's flip turned on it's head due to it's own popularity.
I am pretty sure nobody but oro knew that some things have reduced effectiveness in PvP. Sure wouldve been nice to have an accurate guide made by a PvP expert. i wonder where we could find such a person?
I thought I commented this earlier, but it's not showing up. If something has reduced effectiveness in PVP it's actually mentioned on the wiki. Fextra is usually inaccurate, but a broken clock is right twice a day.
@@ebonslayer3321 But noone would think to go look at the wiki for stuff that random (unless they have a dedicated page that advertised). Also not sure when that got added to the wiki vs when IGN made that video. Obviously i am being hyperbolic for lulz but thats very uncommon knowledge.
@@emwZEEK Iirc, most of this shit doesn't grant specific numbers (may be confusing with previous games so correct me if I'm wrong), so to get their numbers they need to go to the wiki or learn from another source of arguable trustworthiness.
@@ebonslayer3321 When i say "noone" i am referring to average players. If you want to say IGN is dumb for only half reading the wiki pages for info sure, i didnt even see the defense of IGN i made in that reply until a double take. I think some of the items are somewhat obvious to the values when you are looking at the stat screen before and after equipping them though.
@@emwZEEK Ah, ok. I forgive the average person for not knowing things.
I'm normally against Gatekeeping...
But I need to take a trip to the Stormgate real quick. Godrick's men are gonna need some help to keep that trash out. Bastards aren't even fit for Grafting.
Holy shit healing in duels too lmao! Rolling is maidenless? WTF
Not only that, he spams stars of ruin and loretta's bow when his opponet is clearly casting the anti magic spell. This IGN dude is unbelievable lol
I still think they should of kept the equip load tied to strength instead of endurance. The only builds that should be able to stack insane poise should be the slow colossal weapons that need to trade with people not rivers of blood
Ya switching fire resist for equip load from strength would be fine. It gives heavy armor and weapon users more physical defense and poise options while the others have access to the elemental defenses.
very agree with this and increase the poise in general so even fashion souls on dueling more tolerateable.
that shit had me so excited and then they went back on it. But I doubt the rest of the game was built to accommodate that
Agree 100 percent
Thats why we always have a meta level that every player sticks with if you want to do pvp. Its just high enough to get your damage health and stamina up but ignoring the other stats. So that builds are truly builds around a specific trait. Not a build that does everything
The big answer to "why" is already answered; He works for IGN.
Something even oro missed, is that Lusat's Staff doesn't even actually have a bonus to spell cast damage. The only passive is the bonus FP cost, which does get doubled to 200% total cost if you dual-wield them. You'll just see it having way higher spell scaling than any other once you're at 80 int...Also crystal knots are 10 points. Which we all know, except for this IGN guy
Really?
Lol
This is giving me flashbacks to the Verge's wonderful PC build guide.
After so many games with terrible launch PvP, we've finally reached the point where even IGN is fucking SPEEDRUNNING turning the game into an unplayable pile of shit.
Y'all thought there were a lot of RoB and BHS spammers already? You ain't seen NOTHING yet.
ooflmao
TH-camr JeeNiNe made a perfect list of all the changes Fromsoft should make. Honestly, most of them wouldn't be that hard. If they do that, Elden Ring has really good fundamental mechanics and variety. This is definitely a case of a very dirty gem.
I'm giving it a little time. DS3 was also completely saved by patches, but it took basically a full year before PvP was tolerable. I'll give Elden Ring the same time - Fromsoft has incentive to make it happen since they're gonna want to keep the hype going to sell DLC.
@@monsieurdorgat6864 jeen is a consumer, ultimately. His critiques are of course constructive, but I think there are things behind the curtain that prevent devs from implementing things that seems good, since in a conservative society like Japan everything is rooted in studying similar, past occurrences in their recorded history so as to not repeat the same mistakes.
This largely makes them averse to any risk, but when they do take risk they are absolutely confident in it so I guess things just take longer to process there?
@@monsieurdorgat6864 Those points are woefully optimistic. Fundamentally, ER is DS3 (if the AR on most all weapons was doubled/tripled on L2,) which isn't a complement. I'm very familiar with Jee and despite respecting him immensely as a player, I don't agree that Souls games fundamentally NEED to be just spacing and timing, and just deleting BHS and Fingerprint, and lowering damage isn't good enough. ER would still be missing one of the holy fighting game trinity of attacks, blocks and throws.
And DS3 was "fixed" with patches? Every single patch notes was me going down the list and getting progressively angrier. Patching out cool tech like fist combos, shieldskipping and boss invasions, and adding Follower's and Murky. When I said it's only going to get worse from here, I wasn't exaggerating. If they do somehow fix things in time for the DLC, the DLC is just gonna fuck it up all over again.
@@sharkodile22 did you seriously just compare follower's sabre to MURKY HAND SCYTHE?? did you actually play the game?? ??????
Legitimately made me wanna punch something when he said it’s maidenless to “spam dodges”. And using that exploit is a great way to “catch tarnished who like to run”.
Legit trash talking people trying to play the game honestly for running away from the most broken, overpowered, cheating nonsense you can find and exploit and they’re maidenless for dodging.
Yup, you said it brother
How to make a pvp build
- find a play style you like
- pick a weapon you like
That’s it
This is the way. Game stays more enjoyable using what you like over using what everyone else is.
still its pretty annoying if you met a BHS on either uchi + moonveil+ Ruins/ ROB + nagakiba sets. it makes me feel like my build is not good enough. Katana in general still over tuned AF except some like Hand of Malenia and to some extent meteoric ore. I wish there is a 15-20% damage nerf for Katana ash of wars and Magic else everyone will just use them over the others.
True, but you really win when knowing you’re not a normie only using “meta” and over tuned gear. And it only makes winning feel that much better
@@WhiteRaito always keep a "deleter" in the pocket in cause someone is too maidenless to handle. Other than that, just have fun. Triumphing against unfair odds is so satisfying.
@@Varnsie yeah but the winning chance is definitely lower and kinda discouraging sometimes. i would go to the point not summoning any mage/katana whether they had BHS or not as of late in a duel when i am on the SL 125/301 pool.
most of the weapon is fair compared any Katana/Stars of ruin build nowadays on the 125/ 301+ pool. The one that has alot more variety is on the 150-170 pool. But may be its just me or my region thing.
I am fine if people use Hammer/CGS/ Heavy thrusting/UGS and other less Meta stuffs like Roar Ashes Fist / Waves of Darkness etc...because its skill dependant most of the time some are actually a very good and fun 3 minute fight. But i do keep a BHS type weapon in inventory incase some people uses it regardless of the weapon stereotype.
I think some people tend to forget why we made fun of "casuls" and take something as ign as serious to the point of roasting them. Also the exploit thing probably isn't known by casuls, since even they recomend using dragoncrest greatshield.
Honestly, IGN guides for Souls games are most so damn awful that they're worse than these scammers telling you to buy ER items with irl money
The bloodborne guide wasnt horrible was the thin though
Amazing how not 1 single dagger, hammer, straight sword, whip etc was shown. Just the most broken weapons and respective skills, poise monsters, the fire's deadly sin glitch, sorcery spam and so on. Truly an excellent way to incite healthy pvp on newer players.
If this was presented as satire it might've been funny, but homeboy is completely serious. Miazaki help us, the pvp scene is gonna be even more scuffed after this.
I love how every single reaction vid I've seen from TH-camrs has every one of them pause in disbelief at the soreseal bit
“Build guide”
Is level 209-
Uses the most op low-skill sets in the whole game-
Uses literal glitches-
Makes fun of people while using said glitches-
Encourages fat rolling-
Sorceal at level 209-
How do you even-… what??
To be honest, with all of that, you dont need to care about fat rolling anymore.
Man heals in a duel 13:44
Dude how did this get missed lmao
That one used a physick, so it's fine. Only crimson flasks are generally not allowed.
@@Lofarzel31 Uh no
@@UhCold I guess you could argue that using that might make people confuse you for using a crimson flask, that's why the crimson tears in physick are generally not used.
@@Lofarzel31 even healing with incantations is dishonorable. Healing of any kind is not kosher in duels. Regen is on the fence, I don't care to see it cuz I think it breaks the pacing
This is the funniest thing I've ever seen, thank you so much for bringing this to my life 😂😂😂
Opaline Bubble has some use in the tournies that were done so far that were done to supposedly ease flask punish. But that's just a very specific use of it, so it's not entirely worthless.
That's because tournaments have a lot of the stronger tears banned-I know it's not entirely worthless but I personally would never recommend using it over the others
People who this guide targets are not ready to even attempt tournaments.
I think he genuinely believes that the Fire's Deadly Sin exploit is an intended game mechanic (after there were TWO other exploits related to it that were patched) and isn't aware that he's telling people to use an exploit. How does he not see that the ability to deal bleed damage just by existing is unfair?
bbut.. I casted two spells and their effects are working together! and I'm not invincible!! wuhhhh
and then IGN discovers helmetswap
I'm almost 100% PVE in every souls game, including Elden Ring, and I feel like I could make a genuinely better guide just from watching Oro's vidoes.
I feel for the IGN guy. I really don’t think he’s trying to promote exploiting or incorrect information, but simply doesn’t understand how much more complex the PvP systems are. He simply doesn’t know any better. Sure, he should have done his research, I will say that much. But some of this information is pretty hard to find if you aren’t actively engaging in PvP discourse online. This guy just seems like someone who played the game and took what they learned from the PvE and thought that information was enough to make a guide. Hope he gets some good constructive feedback so that maybe he feels inspired to take the video down and rework it before uploading a more accurate video.
Nah fuck that dude for promoting exploits
If you're making a guide doing extensive research should be a prerequisite, not an option.
That’s the main issue with IGN though, their staff doesn’t have the knowledge nor time to stick with a single game enough to learn the more complex systems, so you end up with a casual noob’s strategy that he picked up from TH-cam’s top recommended clickbait instead of a more dedicated player’s in-depth knowledge of exactly how the game’s systems function at the very base level
@@Ezzekiel73 this is what I was getting at. IGN isn’t a dedicated Souls outlet. The person that worked on this guide probably has other games to get to, and doesn’t have the time needed to properly research Elden Ring’s obtuse systems to make an accurate guide. They probably also don’t care if the guide is accurate or not, and just need to meet their deadline and move onto their next project.
I've found a lot of people newer this series will level up to 200, on ps4 still getting duels it's insane
Those are the same people in the arena that spam all that junk, win a few fights in a row but then run into true veterans and get thier butts kicked complaining about "roll spamming" and sending hatemail saying you are garbage/delete the game/no life ect.
Extremely telling that anytime he talks about tactics like parrying and blocking he only has footage of his negative iq build getting trashed by other players using those tactics against him, because he isn't anywhere good enough to pull off a parry or a similar tactic. fucking absolutely smoothbrained behavior
Rune Level 209? Fire's Deadly Sin and Bloodflame Blade? I've been doing it all wrong 80int with Stars of Ruin and Darkmoon Greatsword and nothing compared to this. Truly the Meta has been set.
I hope they don't delete it. I want them to show as many people how unfair and un-fun PvP can be. In both Duels and Invasions.
Forget the Frenzied Flame ending. This shit is real Madness.
Rivers of frenzy confirmed dlc weapon?😳
@@MrBusiness247 Maybe this is what Shabriri saw in his vision and said "No, fuck this lmao" did 360 in the air and then go mad.
IGN on how to get into PVP: "Use Cheat Engine, get all stats to 99, turn on infinite stamina and FP, then bloodhound step non stop and spam Corpse Piler. Be sure to join a 5 man gank squad. 3 of you can spam Stars of Ruin while the rest hack the game to make it possible to use Dark Bead. In duels, always remember to frantically attack and spam your strongest spells while someone is spawning so that you can stunlock and kill them in seconds. Oh, and grind to RL500 for best results."
I don't think people understand the true nature of what pvp should be; honor, good sportsmanship, and the ability to have fun.
Duel yes invasions should always be random. Honour or just a chaotic mess. As long as you find it fun obviously
@@Kaaldojul preach
I also love the small little addin that he had a clip of someone else parrying him when he was explaining it, dude probably couldn’t pull a parry off if he had a hundred parry frames against a greatsword
It's actually easier to invade at higher levels it's easier t invade t 200+ then 150 130 or 160 I have builds in all 4 ranges seems alot easier past 200
Yeah first playthrough I went to sl200 and all my friends I played with throughout the game went even higher, 300, 400, 500 etc. I've made more characters for different builds and endings at 75, 125, and 150 so people need to realize most of the player base don't care or even know about meta soul level PvP just like all of my friends and people are going to level to whatever and use whatever they want in the game.
While I don't quite agree with lvl125 as the accepted standard for duels, LVL200+?!?!?! Pure insanity! As for exploits, this is just sad. I play an arcane-faith melee build, found that it's so fucking easy to play that I had to re-spec so I could enjoy a damn challenge. I really do hope those exploits get patched out soon. Anyway, it's clear that IGN is just making a guide for the "Game Journo Special", they definitely don't want a challenge in this game that centers around being challenging. Truly, IGN is a maidenless company.
@@samuel_3874 Noted, thanks for that mention, makes sense with invasions why the sky would be the limit, I meant duels for the most part. I stopped at lvl 163, and I still personally think that can be pushing it for a balanced fight.
@@samuel_3874 For invasions, yes. Dueling is 125 (preferably) or 150 (shitty) though.
once the game pop dies down in the next couple of years, most players left will probably be at the 125 cap
@@samuel_3874 I mentioned it because OP specified duels, you brought invasions out of nowhere.
Duels are “agreed” at 125 because it’s an average level people will be for end game and allows for creativity with limitations. Getting too high of level just allows everyone to make a strong build without punishment for putting too many points elsewhere, that’s why everyone has bullgoat’s at 200+ because…what else are you gonna dump your points into? Lol
I swear this is a next level psy-op by ign to highlight ALL the broken shit in the game to fromsoft
The pause after "Maidenless tarnished" had me dying
"Faith is better than Intelligence due to buffs"
Casts: Law of Regression
their buffs were meaningless.
You still used an incantation deBUFF
Lor is awesome 👍
partaking in the most maidenless behavior and has the audacity of using the term on others
While I believe that when it comes to PvE, anything goes for killing a boss... The same cannot be said for PvP.
What's worse about it is that it's going to be completely irrelevant in the the next patch
I really really hope that the ign guy is really just so uninformed that he doesn’t realize he’s promoting an exploit. Ain’t no way he actually went “want to pvp properly? Just cheat lol”
Hey, tbh u should make a guide. Going over strats, how to get good n all that. Would be helpful!
This guide should have called " how to survive invasions you can't hande with" This is not a guide for pvp is a guide for a cooperative casual gamers getting melted by invasors
Oh my god I forgot how nuts pre nerf Bloodhound step was. That shit was so gross lol.
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise -- players who used to crutch on these "tools" will now stop using them out of fear of being called IGN shitters!!
More like they will be forced to stop using them when From patches most of these in the next month, once their sweaty build is nerfed into the floor they won't be able to PvP since they will be just instantly killed by actually PvP players.
Bold of you to assume that kind of person would feel shame.
you really think shitters care?
I think the blessing is that IGN is bringing attention to all of the shit that needs to be nerfed lol.
People like this are why I carry law of regression
To be fair the IGN's video is called "PVP Build Guide", aka a guide on how to win against players that actually understand pvp.
I like veterans and bull goats for fashion. I use one of the tryhard sets but before it was popular, lionels head, vets chest, bull goats arms and legs. Looks goofy and I love it.
These games will always have builds and combinations that become OP and exploitative in PVP because the balance is (and should always be) focused on the core PVE experience, but *real* guides should teach players how to approach and become better at PVP rather than just showing those strongest meta builds that overwhelm most opponents who aren't already experts.
Pvp players are the ones who stay as long as possible and it was like this since ds1 or even demon's souls. Balancing pvp is very important when the game hits its first year and further and then stop at some point.
You can balance the pve and pvp separately. It is entirely feasible.
Can't believe he called rolling 'maidenless' IN A SOULS GAME
Yay!!!! You saw my tweet!
There’s so many guide builds when Elden Ring came out. Its not the worst thing.
Yea man I got 500 NFTs you want one.
This was sad but hilarious. At best, this will force Fromsoft to patch these issues. At worse, the game stays like it is now.
Which is fine, to be fair. The only people who will use these are either extremely casual, or "trolls". Both are easy enough to deal with. Block communication with the trolls, when the game dies down and only the PvP community is left, they'll have no one to play with except others like them. And just destroy the casuals, but make sure they know how free the kill is.
I'm getting some serious DS1 vibes from the whole thing. It's not just "invading" anymore. It's full on warfare, like it was back in the day. And I kinda like it...
you know... I never expected this off from an official websites who dedicate their brand over sharing tips, guides & info on other games, never thought they'd promote exploits but here we are.
"Here's my build, here's an exploit to cheat, here's the most overpowered shit in the game. Good luck sucker!"
Idk man, that sounds like a pretty good guide to me lmfao, that's how I learned to play the game. Except it was me on the receiving end of it in elementary school
I love how his only example of a parry was when he got parried
Funny how Scott beat you to the punch based on your Tweet though I'm assuming it wasn't intentional :)
I FUCKING ADORE 3:46 when IGN-Man is doing his cinematic cam while being killed during a parry then CUTS to another clip as soon as the opponents point-down animation starts lmao
Radagons sore seal doesn't reduce your health, it reduces ALL of your defensive stats by about 20 points (which is a lot). You can see what it does by looking at your defense stats from the equipment menu.
If you have a low defense stats and put on the sore seal it will literally take you into negative defense stats.
it reduces effective health.
@@pizza-for-mountains Uh no, it reduces overall defensive capabilities by about 15%
what do you think happens when you take more damage per hit
@@pizza-for-mountains That’s not health though, health, and defense are two separate stats in the souls series my boy.
@@pizza-for-mountains Reducing defense is reducing effective health. The more defense you have the less health you lose per tick of damage = *effectively* (in effect) your health is increased by the fact that you lose less health per tick.
RoB is easy to dodge for me, but I stay out of range of the blade until I want to parry, or attack in between strikes.
do you think they know its a bug or did they just read about it online and include it without thinking any further
For a Pvp "Guide" the idea should be to essentially teach people the basics of PvP, showcase some rough builds so people understand how to build for PvP vs PvE and for me the best advice I got from a video was pick a weapon type that you enjoy and stick with it until you feel like you improve.
Don't keep swapping weapons around if you find you're struggling to win fights. Learn how to fight with your weapon and be good and learn how to play around other weapons first before moving onto another type of weapon, that way when you use that type you know how people can counter you and what your weaknesses might be.
This IGN Guide essentially tells players to equip the heaviest armour they can, pick a strong bust weapon and shield and abuse expoits. If any of this gets nerfed your entire build is ruined, you get set back to square one because you're not learning anything by playing like this.
The best advice i got was git gud and it worked.
learning movesets or any fundamentals is not a thing with these new ER pvpers. L2 is the "strategy" and how to stack for maximum deeps.
I absolutely love how the IGN video didn't even explain upgrade ranges OR level ranges for pvp matchmaking
level 209 and he's still using godrick greatrune too
SIR, HOW MUCH POISE DO YOU NEED
My favorite part is when they go over parries and show the host getting parried by a red because obviously this dude can’t parry.
Could you make you're own pvp guide?
Nothing about fundamentals like spacing? Just what stats, spells, and items to use...
Now I'm debating whether this or Fextralife's Midir guide is worse. I'm still going with Midir guide, since that one requires only mechanical knowledge of the game while pvp requires more. Though using a literal exploit puts the two videos very close.
What was fextralife's midir video about?
@@twistedfox9445 A supposed boss fight guide. It told people to chase the tail and in some cases downright stated it didn't know how to avoid a move. It's ridiculously bad.
God. Seeing Oroboro rip this video to shreds makes me want to see him construct the most disgusting Pvp guide video where he, in a similar manner to this guy, shows everyone the most vile and repulsive builds/strategies to employ while calling everyone MaiDeNlEss rUnts
This is just one more video in the casul community promoting negating challenge rather than overcoming and learning from it. Its teaching people to play pvp and pve with crutches and it’s sad that From games have become more and more mutual with such.
DRAGONCREST GREATSHIELD from 20% to 5% in pvp.
And that shit stays on my character since day one. Omg. What a waste.
And other to 6% 😭
I just watched Scott's video, and in defense of this guy, I do think he is just some poor shumuck who didn't know that the bloodflame blade thing is a glitch. Not supporting it, but it didn't sound like he was trying to encourage cheating.
0 cheating. Just using game mechanics smartly. This is guy is full of it
Maaan this video sums up why I didn’t play much if elden ring after my first playthrough as a pvp stan. Idk if it’s just recency bias, but I feel like this game has way more busted pvp scenarios than previous from games
He's right on the level though, way more action above 200 than at 125. Dumb action but action nonetheless.
Yeah for invasions for sure. Even Scott Jund said he was humbled by how much action he was getting invading at 200+ and imo 200+ puts everyone on kind of an even playing field where skill becomes even more of a deciding factor since everyone is doing ridiculous damage
Because this game is full of maidenless casuals. You can be level 300 and above and still find plenty of people.
I think it has to do with how many runes you get in a playthrough and that the game is still has a huge playerbase, you are gonna find more people right now at the level most people end their playthrough at, in a 2-5 year most people still playing will probably be closer to 125.
@@Crispierbug I’ll be in the minority then because I refuse to intentionally choose between survivability or damage. I take both. I hit the final cap on vigor, final caps on my damage stats and level endurance and mind accordingly. It’s just how I like to play. Most of my builds end up between levels 180-200+
Trash talking dodging while spamming Bloodhound Step…well, since it’s IGN it’s expected, but my rice cooker has more self awareness than that video
Lmao I’m dying “just cheat bro they have no maidens”
IGN employees trying not to constantly make a complete fool of themselves in numerous contexts and areas