I just started reloading, and your using the Win 296. A relative slow burn rate powder. Out of the rifle the velocity is greater than what's listed in the Lee reloading manual. Out of the 2 inch rossi it's only 1100fps, 900fps less. My guess is from the slow burn on the powder. You should try a bit of Win 231, it has a faster burn rate so the fps out of a snub revolver should be better. The cool thing about reloading is how personalized you can tailor ammo to each gun. I was gonna load some XTP with Win231 next paycheck. Ram Zip is great for target loads. But is lack luster for XTP or solid copper rounds. Only reloading .357 mag and .38 special atm
@@Justintheinsane Yes, lots of powder options. A lot of these gel tests are geared towards loads that will work well in carbines and pistols so my powder preferences probably lean more towards the carbine and longer barreled pistols. 😉
@@kentuckyrangetime That's the technical term for that type of wound. Check out some of Dr. Martin Fackler's work in wound ballistics. Have a great Labor Day!
The penetration differences between the 180 and 125 are stark but to be expected. The expansion is exactly what I would expect in my experience with them. Keep it up, it was another very good video.
I like the Hornady 125 and the 140-flextip. Interesting results. On the rifle shot, the slow motion video showed a significant energy transfer in the gel. I am guessing that higher the velocity, the faster the deformation, reducing the penetration. What I am less certain about is if the gel itself gets compromised, so each successive shot faces a changed resistance?
@@Abby_Normal_1969 I’m sure it might if it was the exact same wound track but the gel is pretty dense and the bullets moving so fast. When I tear it apart the heat from the bullets have usually melted the gel and the wound tracks have almost sealed back together. With the exception of the air bubbles that are still visible. Several of the 300blk videos show ignition in the gel from the energy transfer, especially when the tumble. This charred gel is the biggest culprit in the blocks becoming yellow and cloudy.
I was just messing around with these bullets and win296 this weekend. I used lyman max charge data, a 6" gp100 and a 24" Rossi. The rossi love the combo put up 11fps ES over 6 shots but speed was over 2300 fps. The ruger was also up there with over 1600 fps. Since I mainly plan to use the load for self defense out of the revolver I think its going to be perfect.
@@mattdietrich4891 great results! The 125gr FP-XTP in the rifle would be in impressive hunting load. With that velocity you’d be getting around 1,350 ft/lbs of energy.
In a short barreled .357 Mag., I FAR prefer Blue Dot powder in a "casefull" load. The velocity is 300-400 FPS FASTER, it burns MUCH cleaner, and has a FAR lower velocity spread leading to MUCH better accuracy. Even in my Colt's Trooper Mark V 8 3/8" barrel, I've never found a more ACCURATE load than Blue Dot topped with a 125 grain HP. In my Super 14 Contender, with 140/146 grain HP's, Olin 296 will produce some "belly buster" loads a revolver can't handle-"LIGHTS OUT" for our small Whitetails in NE Okra-Homer!
Great info on this. I have a boatload of Remington 125gr SJHP bullets that I need to load up, so it's good to see this sort of performance. Please share the WW-296 load if you don't mind, and TH-cam won't get crazy. Thanks!
As I am now kinda known as the Rossi Rp 63 and Taurus 692 guy I like this, and I really want a 16" Lever & 125 should do rifle like things out to 100. I'd really like it if you did this with some OEM 125 Hornady XTP, & 158 xtp, & Federal 125 gr Train & protect comes in 50 rd boxes, some 125 and 158 sjhp Remington 50 rd boxes not too $ if you could the 5 lengths is great!
If you want to sponsor the ammo, i’ll provide the gel blocks 😉. You can compare the velocities i’m getting to factory velocities for the same bullet and the expansion and penetration results wouldn’t change much at all.
@kentuckyrangetime I may be willing to send you handful of Train & Protect as may become my stand bye for 3" * would like to know Rp63 velocity & ME. Was too hot for the LOK grips I just put on will have to go back to rubber. It performed well from both 2" & 4" my friend Gun Sam. It will be over driven frag from 5" & longer likely under penetrate but 2"-4" it's a great round. Watch my own Modern Meat Target tests a few w various 357. Clear Gel isn't great, I like Gun Sam's real world 4 layer & MDF 3" into the gel. Ie that xtp in 20" should be about 11.5" in Organic Gel just enough for 2 legged not 4 legged. For the later 158s
I have a 16” marlin I’m going to do some hunting with this year in some really thick stuff. Would you load the 125s or the 158s for shots less than 60 yards
Loving the videos, I'm finding them to be a great resource
@@Dr.Philsgood 👍🏻👊🏻 awesome!
Love your videos man
@@superdavekc5vmq Thanks! 👍🏻👊🏻
Thanks for the test. The 125 really shows why it's one of the preferred defensive bullet weights.
I just started reloading, and your using the Win 296. A relative slow burn rate powder. Out of the rifle the velocity is greater than what's listed in the Lee reloading manual. Out of the 2 inch rossi it's only 1100fps, 900fps less. My guess is from the slow burn on the powder. You should try a bit of Win 231, it has a faster burn rate so the fps out of a snub revolver should be better. The cool thing about reloading is how personalized you can tailor ammo to each gun. I was gonna load some XTP with Win231 next paycheck. Ram Zip is great for target loads. But is lack luster for XTP or solid copper rounds. Only reloading .357 mag and .38 special atm
@@Justintheinsane Yes, lots of powder options. A lot of these gel tests are geared towards loads that will work well in carbines and pistols so my powder preferences probably lean more towards the carbine and longer barreled pistols. 😉
6:13 those are nasty active fragments
@@Team_BW “Nasty Active Fragments” 😂. Love it! I’ll probably quote you in a future video 😉👍🏻👊🏻
@@kentuckyrangetime
That's the technical term for that type of wound. Check out some of Dr. Martin Fackler's work in wound ballistics.
Have a great Labor Day!
Well done!
@@morrisadams1471 thanks!
The penetration differences between the 180 and 125 are stark but to be expected. The expansion is exactly what I would expect in my experience with them.
Keep it up, it was another very good video.
Great series you’re putting together. Thanks for the quality information.
Thanks for the testing
Great video series, I like the way you think.Been waiting for someone to take this perspective on 357 loading and applications.
Good job! Thanks!
Great video thanks brother👍
Great info, thanks
I like the Hornady 125 and the 140-flextip. Interesting results. On the rifle shot, the slow motion video showed a significant energy transfer in the gel. I am guessing that higher the velocity, the faster the deformation, reducing the penetration. What I am less certain about is if the gel itself gets compromised, so each successive shot faces a changed resistance?
@@Abby_Normal_1969 I’m sure it might if it was the exact same wound track but the gel is pretty dense and the bullets moving so fast.
When I tear it apart the heat from the bullets have usually melted the gel and the wound tracks have almost sealed back together. With the exception of the air bubbles that are still visible.
Several of the 300blk videos show ignition in the gel from the energy transfer, especially when the tumble. This charred gel is the biggest culprit in the blocks becoming yellow and cloudy.
I was just messing around with these bullets and win296 this weekend. I used lyman max charge data, a 6" gp100 and a 24" Rossi. The rossi love the combo put up 11fps ES over 6 shots but speed was over 2300 fps. The ruger was also up there with over 1600 fps. Since I mainly plan to use the load for self defense out of the revolver I think its going to be perfect.
@@mattdietrich4891 great results! The 125gr FP-XTP in the rifle would be in impressive hunting load. With that velocity you’d be getting around 1,350 ft/lbs of energy.
In a short barreled .357 Mag., I FAR prefer Blue Dot powder in a "casefull" load. The velocity is 300-400 FPS FASTER, it burns MUCH cleaner, and has a FAR lower velocity spread leading to MUCH better accuracy. Even in my Colt's Trooper Mark V 8 3/8" barrel, I've never found a more ACCURATE load than Blue Dot topped with a 125 grain HP. In my Super 14 Contender, with 140/146 grain HP's, Olin 296 will produce some "belly buster" loads a revolver can't handle-"LIGHTS OUT" for our small Whitetails in NE Okra-Homer!
Great video
Great info on this. I have a boatload of Remington 125gr SJHP bullets that I need to load up, so it's good to see this sort of performance. Please share the WW-296 load if you don't mind, and TH-cam won't get crazy. Thanks!
As I am now kinda known as the Rossi Rp 63 and Taurus 692 guy I like this, and I really want a 16" Lever & 125 should do rifle like things out to 100. I'd really like it if you did this with some OEM 125 Hornady XTP, & 158 xtp, & Federal 125 gr Train & protect comes in 50 rd boxes, some 125 and 158 sjhp Remington 50 rd boxes not too $ if you could the 5 lengths is great!
If you want to sponsor the ammo, i’ll provide the gel blocks 😉.
You can compare the velocities i’m getting to factory velocities for the same bullet and the expansion and penetration results wouldn’t change much at all.
@kentuckyrangetime I may be willing to send you handful of Train & Protect as may become my stand bye for 3" * would like to know Rp63 velocity & ME. Was too hot for the LOK grips I just put on will have to go back to rubber. It performed well from both 2" & 4" my friend Gun Sam. It will be over driven frag from 5" & longer likely under penetrate but 2"-4" it's a great round. Watch my own Modern Meat Target tests a few w various 357. Clear Gel isn't great, I like Gun Sam's real world 4 layer & MDF 3" into the gel. Ie that xtp in 20" should be about 11.5" in Organic Gel just enough for 2 legged not 4 legged. For the later 158s
I have a 16” marlin I’m going to do some hunting with this year in some really thick stuff. Would you load the 125s or the 158s for shots less than 60 yards
@@topglock heavier is always better in brush. 😉
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