Budget Full-Frame 10-18mm Ultra-wide Lens for $350!?
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Review of the Sony 10-18mm f4 for FULL FRAME cameras!
please let me know if you have any questions or comments :)
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Camera - Sony A7S3
Lenses - 24-70Gm & 10-18 f4
SD Cards - Lexar Pro V60
Monitor - Atamos Shinobi
Edited in Davinci Resolve cause its better:)
0:00 Intro
2:13 All APSC
3:10 Sony 10-18
4:06 Its wide
5:00 CONS
9:33 CUTS
11:02 PROS
14:18 Outro
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Yo Micah, huge congrats on getting monetized!!!
I love the mentality around this. Something like the 10-18mm can fit your wide angle needs until you decide to upgrade (or not) in the future. There's always gear rentals if you need access to nicer glass!
My A7IV shoots aps-c crop in 4k60p anyways, so I've been seriously considering getting APS-C crop lenses for specific applications where I know I'll want to use 4k60p. For web content IMO, the image quality still looks great, so as long as we're aware of the cons of the setup, I'd say why not?!
Congratulations on reaching monetization! This is my first time checking out your video, and I’m genuinely pleased I did. Your authenticity really stands out, and I enjoyed the content. You’ve gained a new subscriber!
Hey man ! Love this content by far the best "10-18mm full frame Apsc lens" review ! By the way I gotta ask, if u are vlogging while walking with this lens, will the shake caused by walking gonna make the vignette show up at the corners from time to time ? Or we just have to zoom in close enough and this won't happen
hi ! great video
i have a question :
what is the best also budget camera that would go well with this lens ?
Fantastic video! You’re the first person I’ve seen feature the 10-18 apsc on the full frame and explain its benefits and flaws for videography.
Have been shooting with this lens on my a6500 for years now and eagerly waiting for my ZV E1 to arrive next week and happy to see I can still get away with using this lens when needing to go ultra wide.
Thanks Kim!!
love your microphone quality bro!
Finally a great video about the 10-18mm thanks mate! Gonna order one straight away!
Hi there ,absolutely loved it,
Would really appreciate if u can answer my one question!
Will it have any problems shooting in slog-3 in a7s3?
Jus about to buy so thought of clearing this out
The best focal length for my copy is around 13mm. I have been using it with the original a7 since 2015.
Nowadays, I have switched to a Laowa 9mm f/5.6.
Hey Micah, I love your videos...great work buddy! I was wondering where you're getting your ambient music from? Super dramatic!
Hey there! I get all my music from MusicBed!
honestly, it is better than any other subscription service simply due to the quality of the music.
Man, thanks for this work! Il find the best price wide option for ff through the many years. Respect🤟
Hey brotha, great video! Was curious what’s your settings for vlogging? As someone who loves to vlog, I’m curious how would you have your settings for A7iii?
Thanks for the review! I'm looking to get this lens, I also have the A7siii which is a low-light beast. Would you say the F4 is not an issue when shooting in S-log 3 (12,800 iso) or even S-Cinetone (2000 iso)?
Wow, this sounds like making sense to me, thank you!
Great content man!
I’m confused a little bit. Truly curious. You said you didn’t want to use APSC cuz of no 4K but you’ve got an APSC lens? Aside from price what’s the benefit of this over Tamrons 11-20mm?
this is ridiculously helpful right now. just ordered from eBay and if I love it then you'll instantly have made a huge fan of me!
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Amazing video my friend! Do you recomend for A7III? Salute from Argentina.
This is a great hack. I ended up going with Sony 12-24 G F4. I just got it today. I see the inability to use filters mentioned as a drawback, but I can't imagine a situation where I'd want to use an ND with this lens. In wide shots I don't need or want shallow depth of field, so I'll just close down the iris in bright situations.
Thanx!
That's Super cool! and super lens it seems!
This review might change my life. Thank you for this.
Hii nice vdo , and now the 11mm 1.8 released should i buy 10 18 mm or 11mm lens for my a7m4 , my use is for real estate and some vlogs
Hello
Thank you for this information. Does it affect video quality while using aps-c lenses on full frame cameras???? Can you kale detail video on it sir
Rented this lens for a gig and ended up falling in love with it. Watched your video then went on eBay and got one for $450! ($400 + tax/shipping)
You weren’t lying when you said you can find them for that cheap! haha excited to get it and start shooting!
Great video my man 🤘🏾
Wow another amazing video! I love you
No u bb
İ like the vignette, creatively usable!
Wow thank you for this video…. Always wanted the wide lens but yeah not affordable….. so this is sick!
they're actually called ultrawide!
I’d love to see you do this same video with the Sony 11mm F1.8 in the future. Subbed!
I’ll have to look into that!
Thanks man 😊
Great review man. You can check out the viltrox 16mm 1.8 . This lens is amazing for its price. And its FF
Great video man, subscribed, am thinking about this lens for underwater photos and video and might be the best based on ya info.
Really??? Id love it if you’d send me some stuff you get!!!
Just saw your ig! Love your content!
great stuff!
thanks for the vid! what about the sony 10-20 g master.. pretty amazing price too!
Yeah! The pricing is a bit more expensive but that may be a great lens!
Nice info about how it actually looks on FF camera! I was in the similar position when I was trying to find an ultra-wide lens for a7r2. Unfortunately just like you said, most of the options are for APS-C, and FF options are just insanely expensive. The manual primes sounds good but just unusable for a daily driver. Finally I jumped the wagon on Tamron 17-28, which is very great. F2.8 and comparable optics performance with GM (at least from some of the review) didn't make it cheap, but at least makes it justifiable. IF I were to know that this one works kind of OK on Full Frame, I'd probably just go with it. It's cheap like a toy, with the new 10-20 it could only become cheaper and cheaper in the used market.
An interesting thing is a7r2 is 42MP, the 4k actually works best when in the Crop/Super35/APS-C mode, the image quality is just insane. Clean like being washed by water (in a good way). BUT you lose the wide end, 17 on tamron becomes 24 again, which is "normal" but not "wide", 24 on things like 24-70 becomes 35, which is NARROW in most of the circumstance. For me the ultra-wide perspective definitely worth more than the marginal IQ improvement, so I ended up with 4k full-frame mode almost all time.
I'm for most of the time a still shooter, so the tamron 17-28 makes sense to me. But later I think you probably should upgrade to something like an 61MP a7r4, r5, or the now cheaper 42MP r3, if the video specs meets the minimum of your demand. I can probably guess why you got the a7s at first place, because it's at all a full frame, and you did a lot of video. People said this is to be for the video and performs best in low light. All the checkboxes are ticked. And most importantly, the price for all these seems acceptable. Probably you may also thought it's "easier" to get "wider" at Full Frame, because 24 is finally a 24 not a 35, so theoretically it's easier to get a wide angle on a FF. There's just only one problem: you haven't checked the FF wide lens price yet.
However just like you said yourself, you do a lot of real estate videos professionally, which doesn't involve a lot of critical lighting conditions -- nothing a tad increase of ISO could not fix, and no one's pixel peaking for that. After all most real estate does not involve a dungen. It has lights all over the place and when you want to showcase for it, you want to turn all those lights on. So in my view you just threw the biggest advantage of the a7s, in exchange for an unusable 1080P crop mode, which you might actually need. Full frame is not for you, at least professionally. So if I were you I'd either up my game to A7R to take full advantage of the FULL FRAME sensor size by having the ridiculously HIGH RESOLUTIONS -- which opens a whole new world for landscape and everything. Especially if you have a nice screen like the 5k iMac, you just can't go back. The is the correct way to take full advantage of your other expensive GM lens. The optics resolution can only go as sharp as the sensor resolution goes. Plus now you have a very usable 4k crop/super35 mode. The image is down sampled from 8k or 6k, it can just be as good as the a7s. Or I'll just back my game to something like a ZV-E10, which I'd bet it ticks every box you need when you do your profesional real estate shooting. Just don't forget to put it on a huge gimbal to look "pro" to your clients!
I haven't used this lens recently but if I remember correctly, setting the a7S III to APS-C mode doesn't downgrade the video resolution. After all, APS-C cameras are also capable of shooting in UHD
while this would be correct for any of the other sony A7 series, (A7R, A7) the A7S3's sensor is only a 12mp sensor, which is a little higher than 4k. so if you use apsc mode, its cropping in 1.5x into the 4k sensor. that's why its limited to 1080p. you CANNOT shoot 4k at apsc crop on a7s3.
so beauty 😮
Omeizin' video! Thank You Bro 👍
Subscribed. Great channel.
i don't see a lot of people talking about latosa 10-18 full frame, I know it is f4 or lower and fully manual but no vignetting and distortions it works absolutely perfect
Yes! I bought it for $500 and I love it!
Hey, I have TH-cam premium and watch probably 40+ hrs / week while at work in background and I have to say; your production on this video with added effects .. 👌
I have this for my A7iii and just wanted to see some follow up input for what I'll be attempting in the future and stumbled on your video and had to drop this compliment.
I have been looking at the new sigma 10-18 for using on my fullframe camera
you can get rid of some of the vignetting by removing the rear baffle, like 3 screws or something
Hi. I am new in photography and videography. Can I use that lens for Sony zv-e10? If not, can you recommend a budget friendly lens for real estate photography? Thank you
Yes you can.
Do u use it for a crop mode?
I've heard what you said about the 10-18 before from some reviewers and found the same in my case.
I decided to check out which of my other apsc lenses still worked on the full frame body and it turns out that the pancake 20mm lens is pretty similar. the coverage is juuuust a smidge under full frame size. it looses the ibis but gains a stop in the aperture while also being very compact.
its a little tight for self-vloging but a nice focal length for filming friends during hikes and such
I might try and find a copy of the 16 mm pancake
i m wondering is the newer 10-20 power zoom better than this? its a bit more expensive but anyone used it?
Hey I have the same setup but I noticed a lot of grain at 12,800 with the 10 18 mm doing real estate videos what's your recommending settings for shooting real estate video
which camera are u shooting with?
why not go with the irix 11mm f4?
thanks bro! i see distortion to 18mm. this userful info!
Can Tamron 11-20mm f/2.8 Di III-A RXD also be used the same way ? What about Sony's new 10-20 f4 power zoom ? Your video just opened a lot new possibilities !!
only a few APS-C lenses will work reasonably well on FF, this being virtually the only one that really makes sense to buy.
even then, i grabbed one from amazon and returned it, opted for a real FF, the 16-35 Zeiss F4, which I found for $400 used, in virtually new condition... i think far better deals are to be had w used lenses over this, since the new 16-35 PZ AND new 16-35 GMv2 came out, if you really need wider than 16 I'd get a used Sigma 14-24... it's FF and f2.8 as well, much better than this lens, which is just plastic-y imo
I think the 16-35 f/4 is a much better option. I know it's a little more expensive (I've seen it as low as $500), but it's pretty close to a no-compromise full frame lens. It addresses every issue you mentioned here. That was my go-to lens when I shot real estate.
Does it have stabilization?
@@houseandlotinleytebystandy9205 yes.
Or could just buy a laowa 10-18mm for full frame Sony. I use that on my Sony A7R3 . It’s a 100 percent manual lens but the sharpness and quality is excellent. Going for like $500 now or less
On a7r4 60mp photos, will the sharpness be same using 12-24 f4 fe lens and this lens ? Please make a comparison video if possible.
You're copping in about 40-50% to remove the vignette, so your 60mp becomes more like a 30-35mp. You're also looking at an equivalent of about an F6. It also has negative side effects such as the IBIS being less effective and forget about in body lens corrections, you have to do that all in post. There are a lot of limitations, I don't think it's worth it personally.
The rokinon 14mm full frame lens is a way better option … it’s on Amazon used for 138$ right now it’s not autofocus but it’s a ultra wide doesn’t need to be but another downside is no filters … but I made a filter out of window tinting paper for a nd
Thanks!
Does this have an image istabalization? Or Auto Focus?
It has both!!!
Sick video, easy to resonate with you and your channel. Not many creators do that nowadays, I feel like they are very "generic"
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pretty sure if u just use clear image zoom instead of apsc mode u dont lose any video quality. Also u could just crop in in post too
I've used the 10-18mm on APS-C cameras a lot and i haven't considered using it on my full frame bodies. I'll check it out. I wouldn't call it "super sharp", it's one of the worst lenses I've owned for sharpness, but it's fine on video (4k)
Unfortunately, everywhere I look the 10-18mm is not available.
Will look for them on the secondary market.
A lot of uses for this lens
Hey man. Just letting you know that the background music is too loud. Keep up the good work. ;)
How do u get so much dynamic range when shooting against the sun
Sonys sensors my friend.... are unreal
@@MicahPowell i have a7c im using hlg never had such dynamic range, may i ask u more detailed questions on insta or would u make a video on that topic any soon? Btw i really liked your channel hope u share more often :)
@@ilyasguner2267 thanks man!! Absolutely man send me a dm and I’ll do my best to respond!!
hey! what’s your mic setup? looks very portable
Hahahah! It’s perhaps the Jenkiest setup in all of TH-cam. I actually just upgraded too!
Here i used the rode video micro, plugged into the dr10_L recorder! But I have a new mic! I now use the rode videomic ntg
@@MicahPowell Thank you, looks fine to me tbh. if youre not using on camera u can just use it and save $ this way haha. good job
nice video. where'd you find the background audio?
All on musicbed!! It’s the best !!
I'm going through the same problems looking for a wide lens for my a7iii as everything is so expensive!
One question, if I use this lens on my a7iii with the APS C mode ON, how would that convert in terms of focal lenght? will it become a 12mm?
Or should i just turn the apsc mode OFF and zoom to 12mm like u did here?
Hey! So I’m not entirely sure… but I think that shooting the apsc mode may crop in a tiny bit much? Cant really speak to shooting in apsc tho. Id just look into what quality issues come from using the apsc mode, like you’re no longer downsampling from 6k to 4k which may lead to grainier imagery.
It becomes a 15-27 on the A7iii on APSC mode
@@Wildbomdoes this lens have auto focud and image stabilization?
I bet this would be a dope lens on the a7siii plus RS3 Mini
For sure!
Very nice.
3:24 the ambient music in the background..
Another option is getting a Sony E to Canon EF adapter and then buying a used 11-24mm F4 lens. Since it's designed for Full Frame completely you can go to 11mm wide without vignetting. There's also now a 10mm F2.8 lens if you need even wider than that.
for sure! is this what you do? the one thing i'd be concerned about is sharpness levels adapting from EF.
@@MicahPowell it depends on the adapter you use, and unfortunately, since Sony would prefer for you to use E Mount lenses, your gonna want to update the firmware on your adapter regularly. The two ones I can confidently recommend are the EF to E Mount adapter that Sigma makes, or the ND Throttle Fusion Canon EF to Sony E Mount adapter. The first one is just known for being fairly reliable since it's from a high profile Sony partner, and a latter option is also pretty reliable, but comes with a built-in variable ND filter.
@@BurneraccountXD69 daaaang built in vnd would be so so nice! I’ll look into this :)
@@MicahPowell well I'm glad to have helped.
A good option is the laowa 9mm lens with the Sony A74.
Interesting, thank you for the recommendation!
Try viltrox 16 1.8
Also rokinon has a 14mm
The vignetting has a vibe though.
Yeah! Honestly I want to use it in a music video! It feel like those old fisheye gopros
@@MicahPowell would love to see that! Great idea :D
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@@MicahPowell Thx Bro same to you🫡
I wish canon had one of these guys
peter parker got the rub and tug music going on in the background
a 10-18mm f/4 behaves like 15-27 f/5.6 on full frame. I'd prefer to go with the native full frame 16-35mm f/4 then which is pretty close in price, at least where I live
Actually it is a true 10-18mm as with the apsc sensors you’d have a 1.5x crop. So it’s not a 15-27mm whereas that’s what you’d see in native apsc.
Your function is incomplete !
@@MicahPowell You're right, you are indeed starting from 10-18 before you're cropping in, but you have to crop in around 30-40% to remove the vignette depending on where you are in the zoom range: 40% at 10mm and 30% at 18mm, so it's more like a 14-23mm F6 full frame equivalent - but even after this crop, you still have some more corrections to do in post. I personally don't find the footage very pleasing at 14mm (post crop).
A true full frame 14mm would indeed be bigger / heavier and more expensive. But do you find that 16mm is not wide enough for your work? - I find that to be the sweet spot for real-estate personally.
Samyang 18 mm is great lens for it's value
I got tired carrying full frame cameras and lenses around.
Switched to a Sony A6700. small bag. 11mm lives there...
Maybe it's my eyes but this looks suboptimal to me, the image warps and wobbles like jello when there is any kind of movement, it also doesn't look as detailed - maybe it's enough for your usage but this looks a bit soft for 4k? (maybe it's just me).
The image processing just cannot handle so much of the image being missing using an APS-C lens, you are effectively switching off a lot of the benefits of having a full frame camera to begin with.
If it works for you, great, but in my opinion this looks worse than just using an APS-C camera. Why not just do that?
As for budget full frame lens options, have you looked at the new 16mm F1.8 from Viltrox (big but incredible quality)? or something like the 16-28 from Sigma if you want something smaller/lighter with a zoom (admittedly it's about 50% more expensive here second hand in the UK)? - you're getting F2.8 there too instead of something like an F6 with the APS-C lens and you're removing all the cons and unlocking the full functionality of your camera.
Megawide
As budget goes you can probably pick up a Sigma 10-20mm for sub 100$ if you realy need a zoom. Otherwise just grabb a MF or AF 14mm f/2.8 Samyang.
Funny thing, there actualy IS a full frame 10-18mm at a similar price. The Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE
Good nacho
Can i see somewhere your real estate video made with this?
hello?
get r hands on sigma 10-18 f2.8 dc dn
damn everything seems so good until the MFD
Just use 11mm 1.8.
Why would you put full frame in the title if its an APSC lens......
You should watch the video 🤷🏻♂️
the sigma 10-18 would be better if buying new
The back ground music is way to loud
No you.
Last year when I bought this lens， it costed over $480. Ridiculous how fast price has dropped on this.
I know! Most lenders hold their value well
So, you are telling me these companies could be making wide angle lens for full frame for such cheap price…..but they don’t.
Why are you saying no to apsc crop at first and then talk about that 10-18mm apsc lens...
You should watch the video
i did @@MicahPowell
if you did you'd understand.@@matrixmodulator
I don’t do budget or Sony
No one asked
There are better options at that focal length.
Title says full frame lens, is actually aps-c
Yet it covers a full frame sensor
Poor move😢
Umm.. Sigma 16-28 f2.8 Contemporary? Dafuk dude? For a hobbyist a bit expensive. But for you who do professional work?
There is also the Laowa lenses. Why are you pretending like you can only buy and use Sony native lenses?