I agree. This caliber probably will stick around vs all the other shot fat cartridges introduced in the half decade I’m guessing because it fits in an AR…BUT with a slower twist so varmint and predator hunters can use light bullets accurately and extremely flat shooting . Exact opposite twist of what it’s designed for. The paper punching crowd imo is a small niche and don’t use ARs. It would be great in super light bolt gun with a slow twist. The gen Z croud that played video games and want to be snipers crowd this is marketed for will fade...and already is. It will make a great usable hunting round with a slow twist one day when someone reinvents the wheel with a slower twist and re names it something else.
You sir just made my day. I've been saying this for a while. Personally I'd say the only new round that has had a major success is the 6.5cm. The 350legend seems to be slowly gaining popularity only because of the niche with the straight wall states. I'm still iffy if it will become mainstream. Everything else is exactly what you said, an experiment.
I wanted to love the 224 Valkyrie but I got so aggravated with mine not getting the velocities i was wanting or the accuracy so i sold my dies brass and barrel and washed my hands of it entirely. Then i heard of a wildcat cartridge that was getting popular with long range 22cal guys the 22 Grendel and decided to put together a rifle and had some dies made. It was everything i wanted and couldnt get from the Valkyrie. Its pretty freakin cool yall are going to make ammo and hopefully mainstreaming a phenomenal cartridge.
Yeah, I built a remage bolt gun in .224 Valkyrie, while I have shot a lot of things way out there with it, it has been very very aggravating to get it there. I myself want to wash my hands of it!
@@IHFarmer2007 yeah man it never lived up to the hype to me. It might be a phenomenal cartridge when you get the perfect powder/bullet combo but it just seemed like it was pretty finicky and always fell short on the velocities they claimed it would get right when it was released.
This may be the advantage of the 22ARC. Grendel is based off of the 220 Russian, which is also the base case for the 22 PPC and 6mm PPC (both of which are popular bench rest cartridges since they are so easy to load for). The 22 ARC should fall in the same category. It's basically a modified 22 PPC. Maybe a better way to say it is that is a NEW 22 PPC. Like the Valkyrie, I doubt the ARC has enough additional capacity to push the 80gr bullets fast enough to make them measurably better than a 223 Rem with a 75gr ELD at 2950 fps.
@@nospam3409good breakdown. If loading the 223 Remington to CIP specification (62ksi), you can push this bullet as a single loader to the same velocity as this factory ammunition for the 22ARC. I push 60gr Hammer hunters (all copper) to 3300fps from a 20" barrel using a couple tenths more N133 than VihtaVuori's book data gives for lead core 60 grainers. VV's book is SAAMI spec (55ksi), btw. I have no doubt that loaded long with the extra capacity, I can push this baby to at least 3200-3250fps.
Well, it "has a lot more horsepower". Oh, wait..."a lot" isn't quantitative. Well, at least in the 60 and 75 grain ranges the ARC is superior...unless the Valkyrie was loaded w the same VT and M bullets, respectively. Wait...there's nothing new here. Carry on. ;)
If you have at least a 7tw in a valkyrie probably so. But the valkyrie case is longer than the arc so you might be eating up case capacity in order to load to mag length.
@@kirkmartin2223every barrel I find for .224 because I’m contemplating building a new rifle is in a 6.5 twist. As they should because the original idea was to fire the heavyweight bullets, seeing as how they offer a 90gr load for the valkyrie.
@@CowboyHunterPodcast are you asking if a 6.5tw will work? I'd assume at valkyrie speeds it should be ok but I'd do an RPM calculation to make sure you wouldn't be over spinning the bullet.
Exactly what I’m going to do if the V-Match bullets ever hit the shelves. They even said it themselves that the bullets are being pushed at the same velocity.
They are both shooting ,224 bullets. So if you are comparing apples to apples put the 62 grain Vmatch in the Valkyrie then compare. The 22 ARC looks interesting especially since my 224 Valkyrie only likes the 60gr Hornady V-max load.
Since both the 224 Valkyrie and the 22 ARC are competing for a similar market and application, I wish the comparison was more between the cartridges than the bullet on the first three minutes of the video. When they do actually mention the apples to apples bullet, I wish they would've elaborated on the advantages/disadvantages of the cartridges. Pressure is one aspect that can be a deciding factor. However, no performance data was given between the two. If the ARC runs the same bullets a bit faster, with less pressure, then that would be a very good point to elaborate on and be a selling point. I wish it had been more informative. The good news is: since this is the same base cartridge as the 6 ARC and the 6.5 Grendel, it will further the conversions on that case over the 6.8/Valkyrie platform.
No data was given because it wasn't sufficient to make the case for the 22 ARC over the 224V. Performance is almost identical and the difference at 1,000 yards isn't enough to matter. This was a very shallow explanation, so my take away is there is no need to waste money on moving to this cartridge.
6.8spc case necked down to .224" with 75gr AMAX @ 3200fps in a 20" AR. ARP's 5.56x42 was one that could have been popularized. It was awesome with 52gr to 80gr bullets. The 22 ARC is so close to the 224V, wonder if its even worth trying?
Based on this video I wouldn't do it. Their explanations were very shallow, and in a side by side comparison (88 grain ELD) they basically boiled down to 22 ARC has a small velocity advantage. My experience with the 224 Valkyrie in the AR Platform has been fantastic. 3/4 inch groups at 100 yds and great performance out to 1,000 yds. It has been baffling to me that the round didn't take off, but I think that had more to do with Bullet performance issues (which were solved) and improperly spec'd chambers.
a lot of people have had issues getting good accuracy out of .224 valk in the longer projectiles. .22 arc does that at higher velocity with lower pressure.
@skyofstorms I had 3 of them and after wasting components I only found one load with 70gr bergers that shot good but they were slower than my 223 loads. So it was a waste.
@@skyofstormsIt isn’t the cartridge's fault that barrel mfgs dropped the ball, selling what Federal specified needed to be 1:7" twist barrels, what was actually 1:7.5", 1:8" instead. That in addition to people thinking they could use short barrels, with lower velocities than what could be stabilized at those twists rates.
@@EtherFox That being said, Hornady's ballisticians thought it was bad enough even with correct twist rates that they could improve on it in a major way, hence the .22 arc
Why would I buy a >300.00 barrel for the 22 arc then pay >30 a box. I can buy a box of 224 valk. for 13.00 a box (federal 75 gr.) AND there is less than 40 fps between the two loads on the box velocity.
@@sneakybow1 I can and do agree with you on that. Even the 88 grain load isnt worth it. It is like comparing a 6.5 grendel to a 6.8 spc. Not much difference. Hornday shows the ballistics on a 6.8 spc from a 16" barrel and the 6.5 grendel is from a 24" barrel. The 6.8 spc is designed for short barrels (12 - 16 inch)
224 valkyrie has a more accurate shoulder and the velocity is almost the same. Why did you guys compare the eldvt bullets in one to not in the other? Put the eldvt in the valkyrie! I won't switch to the 22 arc because of the issues you will see with the bolt face in the ar15 not having as much rigidity. Did yall think about that?
I was thinking the same thing…. Then finally at the end they are compatible 2 with the 88eldm but give no specific velocity measurements. They just say the “advantage goes to the ARC” what the bell does that mean? 10FPS?50FPS? 100FPS? Come on guys this is just marketing video that yields no solid data comparison.
Both are fine cartridges! That's one of the points of the 22 ARC - it's SAAMI spec'd to shoot bullets that other cartridges can't without a "custom" faster twist rate. You would need maybe a 1:8 twist to shoot the 62 ELD-VT in the 22-250. That said, you could shoot a less efficient bullet out of the 22 ARC, which would be just fine, but one could say that you would be missing out on one of the major strengths of the 22 ARC. Definitely can take multiple (different) perspectives on it though. We just have to abide by SAAMI.
In my valks i push a 85 nosler RDF at 2850 with 2000mr. Its a .3 moa load in both my valks! I bang steel at 1k with ease!! PDOGS blow up every year with 50 vmax & 50 blitzkings at just shy of 3500 fps. NEW WIZ BANG BURNS MORE POWDER WITH MORE PRESSURE, TELL ME HOW THATS A WIN?? ILL WAIT!
100fps over a Valkyrie? 3% faster? With the new cartridges coming out faster and faster the old ones are going to become unavailable faster and faster as well. Which is great for gun manufacturers, and terrible for consumers. Is it worth throwing away all of the Federal flavor guns for Hornady flavor? I sound like a hypocrite because I just bought a Howa 1500 in 6mm ARC, but that was because there wasn't a 4lb 10oz gun on the market in .243. Also, the differences between .243 and 6ARC are similar to Valk Vs 22ARC, but much greater. Typical 1:10 .243 can't stabilize 108gr. 6ARC can.
Why not compare it to the 22 nosler, which moves the same weight bullets, the same speed, but but the 22 nosler doesn't have the garbage rim or feed angle of the ARC cartridges.
@@epfd217 yes, but not any longer than existing 78g bullets, so there should be no issues either loading or stabilizing them out of a 1:7 barrel. Re the .224 Valk, I would expect nearly identical perf to 22 Arc. This seems like a completely unnecessary cartridge.
The real apples to apples comparison is between the 300BLK, 224V, 22A, 22CM, 6CM, 6.5CM and the 6A: new gun stuff sells piles of product from primers to finished weapons. Money is the apples to apples comparison. Next will be the all-new 308-1000: all that you love about the "venerable" 308W but now with *related rim*!
I thought the 25-45 Sharps was interesting but it didn’t get much traction. I guess there are too many handloaders out there with shelves of .223 projectiles and are hooked on velocity and high BCs.
Actually, if you compare the two with 88 gr eld, the 224 valkyrie with a 22" barrel shoots the same as the 22 arc with a 24" barrel . Both reload at 2750 fps and the 224 valk. actually takes 2 fewer grains of powder. This is from Hornady's reloading manual. Hornady is justing pushing the 22 arc. I pull the federal 75 fmj bullet and replace it with the 75 eld and get .5 moa at 3080 fps. This is actually faster than the 22 arc.
The difference is only 6" of barrel. 224 valk 24" barrel = 22 Arc 18" barrel with the 88 gr. I dont know if it is worth buying a 22 arc barrel because I would buy it in 18". I have 3 barrels in a 224 valk. (24, 22, 18) and all the reloading stuff plus >1500 rds of brass. Actually it is only 2" barrel difference in the 75 gr. I can reload for that 40 fps.
22arc barrel life pleaaase?? Thats why i want the arc over new 6mm like the creed is barrel life. I was actually looking at buying a 22br glad i saw this. Can the arc shoor 95ge bullets? When is it hitting markets? Gun manufacturers already getting started or timeline for rifles?
When is this stuff hitting the market? I called my guy at Bill Hicks and he said they don't even have it in the system, which means they haven't even ordered any.
soooo...... using Ballistics AE calculator, with all the limitations thereof.... if you can get 200 fps faster out of the .22 ARC, using the 88g ELD-M bullets from the same twist, sighted in at 250 yards, then the 22ARC will outperform the valk... at +200 FPS... Is that obtainable, though?
It was pretty hilarious when they pulled up the 60gr 224V for comparison, as though it isn't the worst load for 224V and they can definitely have put their new 62gr into 224V. So its just moot and marketing bullsh.
This is the third video from Hornady ive watched with very scant info in terms of numbers, real world velocity numbers. Guess ill hold out for videos from reviewers with chronographs to show what the real story is.
Snake oil……there is a difference 22arc = 52k psi and 224V = 55k psi from SAMMi specs for gas guns. This is due to the larger 6.5 bolt head diameter of .441” for ARC vs .422” for Valkyrie. If you compare the same bullets you end up with more velocity out of a gas gun with the Valkyrie as you can run it at 3k psi more because the Valkyrie leaves more meat on the locking lugs.
I have a 6 ARC. I was seriously thinking about getting a 22 ARC until I saw the price of the ammo. For the same bullet, ELD VT, the 22 was three dollars more, WTF! Unless Hornady lowers the price of the 22 ARC, I will stick with my 6 ARC. I want to shoot the 22, but only if it's cheaper.
There’s no reason not to use same identical projectiles in both cartridges in all comparisons…. Leave to Hornady’s PR people to continue to destroy reputation… shooters already question Hornady’s numbers especially when it comes to BCs…..velocities aren’t just a matter of case capacity but powder types used and those perform differently in each cartridge configuration…. By bullet weights used! I’m very willing to adopt this cartridge due to the lack of support for the Valkyrie….just keep it honest!
Hornady needs to compare both with the same bullet. They under load the 224 valk. In the 88 already. Fedetal loads the 90 gr for 2700 but Hornady loads the 88 for 2675. That doesnt make sense. My 224 will shoot the same as the 22 arc. Also, I dont like the idea of Hornady being the only manufacture of the round.
22 creed will have a LOT more case capacity, and be able to achieve MUCH higher velocities with heavier bullets. The draw back is that it's going to be hard on barrels. Since I reload, I'd opt for a 22 XC or some version of a 22 BR.
They are using a classic presales marketing tactic here in this video, let's discuss how your product differentiates from a competitor similar product, well distract and shift our attention to the projectile rather than the cartridge itself. And to the untrained ear, they got lot to say here isn't it?
Cool…I can run ELD-VT in the 224 Valkyrie in a better feeding magazine. Sooo…PRI 6.8 mags and Berrett 30rd magazine vs 15rd magazine that (there’s larger capacity but they feed like shit)
What happened to the Valkaryie, it was all the rage 5 years ago Also I'm taking this with a grain of salt as i know the ARC is hornady and the valkaryie was a federal-sierra venture
Sorry but I learned my lesson on early adopters. I jumped all over the 6 ARC because I thought it would take iff for two reasons. Hornady and alleged military adoption. The military thing never happened and Hornady is not supporting their own cartridge. Only heavy bullet loads and limited brass equals a DOA round. Too bad companies do this to their own stuff. Look at the 7WSM, 7 SAUM, 6 ARC and so many other superior designs dying on the vine. This time I’ll be watching carefully from the sidelines. I want to see at least 4 factory loads and gun manufacturers chambering for it then MAYBE.
The bullet selection is hilarious, what are the ballistic figures when you load that 62gr VT in the .224 valkyrie. I don't own a valkyrie or am I a fan boy, but this is outrageous marketing bullshit they are both .224 caliber cartridges if you want to prove its better run the same bullet at the same barrel length and post the figures. I also disagree with the grendel case having more horse power than a 6.8spc case 6.8 has a absolute velocity advantage over the 6.5 grendel at the same barrel length.
With all the experts commenting. Y’all should all get together and open another company making and designing bullets. Then work on load data and then read all the haters dumb comments when you release something.
Ok so let’s post a comparison video with two experts between two similar cartridges and then not compare them? Why don’t you put that v match projectile in the valk? You’re not comparing the cartridges. You’re just trying to sell the new thing that does the same as the old thing
The only true head to head comparions and Hornady didnt provide the real data. Cmon guys. What i really took away from this is Hornady is jot going to support the Valk
For me NO new cartridge is interesting until components like BRASS are easily available. Until then those cartridges are just a nice experiment.
Grendel Brass is available and easy to convert
I agree. This caliber probably will stick around vs all the other shot fat cartridges introduced in the half decade I’m guessing because it fits in an AR…BUT with a slower twist so varmint and predator hunters can use light bullets accurately and extremely flat shooting . Exact opposite twist of what it’s designed for. The paper punching crowd imo is a small niche and don’t use ARs. It would be great in super light bolt gun with a slow twist. The gen Z croud that played video games and want to be snipers crowd this is marketed for will fade...and already is. It will make a great usable hunting round with a slow twist one day when someone reinvents the wheel with a slower twist and re names it something else.
Not available on new calibers in ammo and guns seem very odd.
You sir just made my day. I've been saying this for a while. Personally I'd say the only new round that has had a major success is the 6.5cm. The 350legend seems to be slowly gaining popularity only because of the niche with the straight wall states. I'm still iffy if it will become mainstream. Everything else is exactly what you said, an experiment.
Your next video should be on how you have improved your supply chain. Let us know what your doing to make sure we won’t see another ammo shortage.
I wanted to love the 224 Valkyrie but I got so aggravated with mine not getting the velocities i was wanting or the accuracy so i sold my dies brass and barrel and washed my hands of it entirely. Then i heard of a wildcat cartridge that was getting popular with long range 22cal guys the 22 Grendel and decided to put together a rifle and had some dies made. It was everything i wanted and couldnt get from the Valkyrie. Its pretty freakin cool yall are going to make ammo and hopefully mainstreaming a phenomenal cartridge.
Yeah, I built a remage bolt gun in .224 Valkyrie, while I have shot a lot of things way out there with it, it has been very very aggravating to get it there. I myself want to wash my hands of it!
@@IHFarmer2007 yeah man it never lived up to the hype to me. It might be a phenomenal cartridge when you get the perfect powder/bullet combo but it just seemed like it was pretty finicky and always fell short on the velocities they claimed it would get right when it was released.
This may be the advantage of the 22ARC. Grendel is based off of the 220 Russian, which is also the base case for the 22 PPC and 6mm PPC (both of which are popular bench rest cartridges since they are so easy to load for). The 22 ARC should fall in the same category. It's basically a modified 22 PPC. Maybe a better way to say it is that is a NEW 22 PPC. Like the Valkyrie, I doubt the ARC has enough additional capacity to push the 80gr bullets fast enough to make them measurably better than a 223 Rem with a 75gr ELD at 2950 fps.
Challenge is fun .
@@nospam3409good breakdown. If loading the 223 Remington to CIP specification (62ksi), you can push this bullet as a single loader to the same velocity as this factory ammunition for the 22ARC.
I push 60gr Hammer hunters (all copper) to 3300fps from a 20" barrel using a couple tenths more N133 than VihtaVuori's book data gives for lead core 60 grainers. VV's book is SAAMI spec (55ksi), btw.
I have no doubt that loaded long with the extra capacity, I can push this baby to at least 3200-3250fps.
The only good comparison was the 88gr load and they handily left out all the numbers.
Well, it "has a lot more horsepower". Oh, wait..."a lot" isn't quantitative. Well, at least in the 60 and 75 grain ranges the ARC is superior...unless the Valkyrie was loaded w the same VT and M bullets, respectively. Wait...there's nothing new here. Carry on. ;)
Couldn’t you just load the 62gr v-match bullets and not have to buy a new rifle or reloading equipment.
If you have at least a 7tw in a valkyrie probably so. But the valkyrie case is longer than the arc so you might be eating up case capacity in order to load to mag length.
Yes you can 100% no questions
@@kirkmartin2223every barrel I find for .224 because I’m contemplating building a new rifle is in a 6.5 twist. As they should because the original idea was to fire the heavyweight bullets, seeing as how they offer a 90gr load for the valkyrie.
@@CowboyHunterPodcast are you asking if a 6.5tw will work? I'd assume at valkyrie speeds it should be ok but I'd do an RPM calculation to make sure you wouldn't be over spinning the bullet.
Exactly what I’m going to do if the V-Match bullets ever hit the shelves. They even said it themselves that the bullets are being pushed at the same velocity.
They are both shooting ,224 bullets. So if you are comparing apples to apples put the 62 grain Vmatch in the Valkyrie then compare. The 22 ARC looks interesting especially since my 224 Valkyrie only likes the 60gr Hornady V-max load.
Since both the 224 Valkyrie and the 22 ARC are competing for a similar market and application, I wish the comparison was more between the cartridges than the bullet on the first three minutes of the video. When they do actually mention the apples to apples bullet, I wish they would've elaborated on the advantages/disadvantages of the cartridges. Pressure is one aspect that can be a deciding factor. However, no performance data was given between the two. If the ARC runs the same bullets a bit faster, with less pressure, then that would be a very good point to elaborate on and be a selling point. I wish it had been more informative. The good news is: since this is the same base cartridge as the 6 ARC and the 6.5 Grendel, it will further the conversions on that case over the 6.8/Valkyrie platform.
No data was given because it wasn't sufficient to make the case for the 22 ARC over the 224V. Performance is almost identical and the difference at 1,000 yards isn't enough to matter. This was a very shallow explanation, so my take away is there is no need to waste money on moving to this cartridge.
With the plant explosion, will there even be any ammo anytime in the future???
That is what I'm more interested in.
6.8spc case necked down to .224" with 75gr AMAX @ 3200fps in a 20" AR. ARP's 5.56x42 was one that could have been popularized. It was awesome with 52gr to 80gr bullets.
The 22 ARC is so close to the 224V, wonder if its even worth trying?
Based on this video I wouldn't do it. Their explanations were very shallow, and in a side by side comparison (88 grain ELD) they basically boiled down to 22 ARC has a small velocity advantage. My experience with the 224 Valkyrie in the AR Platform has been fantastic. 3/4 inch groups at 100 yds and great performance out to 1,000 yds. It has been baffling to me that the round didn't take off, but I think that had more to do with Bullet performance issues (which were solved) and improperly spec'd chambers.
a lot of people have had issues getting good accuracy out of .224 valk in the longer projectiles. .22 arc does that at higher velocity with lower pressure.
@skyofstorms I had 3 of them and after wasting components I only found one load with 70gr bergers that shot good but they were slower than my 223 loads. So it was a waste.
@@skyofstormsIt isn’t the cartridge's fault that barrel mfgs dropped the ball, selling what Federal specified needed to be 1:7" twist barrels, what was actually 1:7.5", 1:8" instead. That in addition to people thinking they could use short barrels, with lower velocities than what could be stabilized at those twists rates.
@@EtherFox That being said, Hornady's ballisticians thought it was bad enough even with correct twist rates that they could improve on it in a major way, hence the .22 arc
Ill stick to 224 valkyrie
Why would I buy a >300.00 barrel for the 22 arc then pay >30 a box. I can buy a box of 224 valk. for 13.00 a box (federal 75 gr.) AND there is less than 40 fps between the two loads on the box velocity.
I bet you don't get a response from them on this lol
@@sneakybow1 I can and do agree with you on that. Even the 88 grain load isnt worth it. It is like comparing a 6.5 grendel to a 6.8 spc. Not much difference. Hornday shows the ballistics on a 6.8 spc from a 16" barrel and the 6.5 grendel is from a 24" barrel. The 6.8 spc is designed for short barrels (12 - 16 inch)
224 valkyrie has a more accurate shoulder and the velocity is almost the same. Why did you guys compare the eldvt bullets in one to not in the other? Put the eldvt in the valkyrie! I won't switch to the 22 arc because of the issues you will see with the bolt face in the ar15 not having as much rigidity. Did yall think about that?
I'm confused, it sounds like you are comparing 2 different bullets not 2 different cartridges. How about same bullet different cartridge
I was thinking the same thing…. Then finally at the end they are compatible 2 with the 88eldm but give no specific velocity measurements. They just say the “advantage goes to the ARC” what the bell does that mean? 10FPS?50FPS? 100FPS? Come on guys this is just marketing video that yields no solid data comparison.
88gr eldm MV is 2820 for the arc and 2675 for the Valkyrie
Both are fine cartridges! That's one of the points of the 22 ARC - it's SAAMI spec'd to shoot bullets that other cartridges can't without a "custom" faster twist rate. You would need maybe a 1:8 twist to shoot the 62 ELD-VT in the 22-250. That said, you could shoot a less efficient bullet out of the 22 ARC, which would be just fine, but one could say that you would be missing out on one of the major strengths of the 22 ARC. Definitely can take multiple (different) perspectives on it though. We just have to abide by SAAMI.
@@codyboland8109 whered you get the 22 arc mv? That's quite a bit
@@hornady we were discussing arc vs valkyrie not 22-250
In my valks i push a 85 nosler RDF at 2850 with 2000mr. Its a .3 moa load in both my valks! I bang steel at 1k with ease!! PDOGS blow up every year with 50 vmax & 50 blitzkings at just shy of 3500 fps. NEW WIZ BANG BURNS MORE POWDER WITH MORE PRESSURE, TELL ME HOW THATS A WIN?? ILL WAIT!
100fps over a Valkyrie? 3% faster? With the new cartridges coming out faster and faster the old ones are going to become unavailable faster and faster as well. Which is great for gun manufacturers, and terrible for consumers. Is it worth throwing away all of the Federal flavor guns for Hornady flavor? I sound like a hypocrite because I just bought a Howa 1500 in 6mm ARC, but that was because there wasn't a 4lb 10oz gun on the market in .243. Also, the differences between .243 and 6ARC are similar to Valk Vs 22ARC, but much greater. Typical 1:10 .243 can't stabilize 108gr. 6ARC can.
Why not compare it to the 22 nosler, which moves the same weight bullets, the same speed, but but the 22 nosler doesn't have the garbage rim or feed angle of the ARC cartridges.
Yeah, but you can use the new fancy bullets in 224 valk or 223 also.
So what is the real apples to apples same bullet across all 3 cartridges?
You can try to load in 223, but the new bullets are much longer profile for their weight.
@@epfd217 yes, but not any longer than existing 78g bullets, so there should be no issues either loading or stabilizing them out of a 1:7 barrel. Re the .224 Valk, I would expect nearly identical perf to 22 Arc.
This seems like a completely unnecessary cartridge.
@epfd217 that's not as much of an issue in bolt guns, but will be a big factor in AR platforms
The real apples to apples comparison is between the 300BLK, 224V, 22A, 22CM, 6CM, 6.5CM and the 6A: new gun stuff sells piles of product from primers to finished weapons. Money is the apples to apples comparison. Next will be the all-new 308-1000: all that you love about the "venerable" 308W but now with *related rim*!
A 25 ARC would have been more interesting, honestly. Could have pulled double-duty as varmint and small/medium game round
I thought the 25-45 Sharps was interesting but it didn’t get much traction. I guess there are too many handloaders out there with shelves of .223 projectiles and are hooked on velocity and high BCs.
Actually, if you compare the two with 88 gr eld, the 224 valkyrie with a 22" barrel shoots the same as the 22 arc with a 24" barrel . Both reload at 2750 fps and the 224 valk. actually takes 2 fewer grains of powder. This is from Hornady's reloading manual.
Hornady is justing pushing the 22 arc.
I pull the federal 75 fmj bullet and replace it with the 75 eld and get .5 moa at 3080 fps. This is actually faster than the 22 arc.
The difference is only 6" of barrel. 224 valk 24" barrel = 22 Arc 18" barrel with the 88 gr. I dont know if it is worth buying a 22 arc barrel because I would buy it in 18". I have 3 barrels in a 224 valk. (24, 22, 18) and all the reloading stuff plus >1500 rds of brass.
Actually it is only 2" barrel difference in the 75 gr. I can reload for that 40 fps.
I purchased some 22 ARC ammunition, but don’t have a rifle. I call them rifle seeds!
22arc barrel life pleaaase?? Thats why i want the arc over new 6mm like the creed is barrel life. I was actually looking at buying a 22br glad i saw this. Can the arc shoor 95ge bullets? When is it hitting markets? Gun manufacturers already getting started or timeline for rifles?
Odin works is taking pre orders for barrels
When is this stuff hitting the market? I called my guy at Bill Hicks and he said they don't even have it in the system, which means they haven't even ordered any.
soooo...... using Ballistics AE calculator, with all the limitations thereof.... if you can get 200 fps faster out of the .22 ARC, using the 88g ELD-M bullets from the same twist, sighted in at 250 yards, then the 22ARC will outperform the valk...
at +200 FPS...
Is that obtainable, though?
88gr out of a 22” 1:6.5 Criterion 224valk im at 2750fps. So give me numbers for a 22 Arc?
It was pretty hilarious when they pulled up the 60gr 224V for comparison, as though it isn't the worst load for 224V and they can definitely have put their new 62gr into 224V. So its just moot and marketing bullsh.
This is the third video from Hornady ive watched with very scant info in terms of numbers, real world velocity numbers. Guess ill hold out for videos from reviewers with chronographs to show what the real story is.
Dumb question if the .224 Valkyrie and the .22 arc can shoot the same bullet out of the ar platform why do you need to change barrels for the .22 arc
Why can I not load VT boolits in the Valkyrie??
You can. This is marketing hype propaganda, to be honest.
It should be made to work with the 90 grain .224 berger.
It is just the bullet which can be loaded. 55,000 psi in both will push the bullet the same.
When I can get a 22 ARC barrel for less than $400,say in thve $100 to $150 range I'll build myself one for sure since it out does the Valkyrie!!
Snake oil……there is a difference 22arc = 52k psi and 224V = 55k psi from SAMMi specs for gas guns. This is due to the larger 6.5 bolt head diameter of .441” for ARC vs .422” for Valkyrie.
If you compare the same bullets you end up with more velocity out of a gas gun with the Valkyrie as you can run it at 3k psi more because the Valkyrie leaves more meat on the locking lugs.
I have a 6 ARC. I was seriously thinking about getting a 22 ARC until I saw the price of the ammo. For the same bullet, ELD VT, the 22 was three dollars more, WTF! Unless Hornady lowers the price of the 22 ARC, I will stick with my 6 ARC. I want to shoot the 22, but only if it's cheaper.
There’s no reason not to use same identical projectiles in both cartridges in all comparisons…. Leave to Hornady’s PR people to continue to destroy reputation… shooters already question Hornady’s numbers especially when it comes to BCs…..velocities aren’t just a matter of case capacity but powder types used and those perform differently in each cartridge configuration…. By bullet weights used! I’m very willing to adopt this cartridge due to the lack of support for the Valkyrie….just keep it honest!
As a reloader in both guns the valkyrie is still better if u put in every factor, especially barrel life. Ar platforms have ruined bolt action guns.
Awesome! I discovered a new drinking game. Every time Seth says the word. Awesome take a shot. You will be lit quick lol.
Hornady needs to compare both with the same bullet. They under load the 224 valk. In the 88 already. Fedetal loads the 90 gr for 2700 but Hornady loads the 88 for 2675. That doesnt make sense. My 224 will shoot the same as the 22 arc.
Also, I dont like the idea of Hornady being the only manufacture of the round.
22 arc vs 22 creed?
22 creed will have a LOT more case capacity, and be able to achieve MUCH higher velocities with heavier bullets. The draw back is that it's going to be hard on barrels. Since I reload, I'd opt for a 22 XC or some version of a 22 BR.
Maybe we will be able to load the new bullet in 224 valkyrie
They are using a classic presales marketing tactic here in this video, let's discuss how your product differentiates from a competitor similar product, well distract and shift our attention to the projectile rather than the cartridge itself. And to the untrained ear, they got lot to say here isn't it?
Cool…I can run ELD-VT in the 224 Valkyrie in a better feeding magazine. Sooo…PRI 6.8 mags and Berrett 30rd magazine vs 15rd magazine that (there’s larger capacity but they feed like shit)
22 Grendel vs 5.56x42
these big companies have no shame.
What happened to the Valkaryie, it was all the rage 5 years ago
Also I'm taking this with a grain of salt as i know the ARC is hornady and the valkaryie was a federal-sierra venture
Sorry but I learned my lesson on early adopters. I jumped all over the 6 ARC because I thought it would take iff for two reasons. Hornady and alleged military adoption. The military thing never happened and Hornady is not supporting their own cartridge. Only heavy bullet loads and limited brass equals a DOA round. Too bad companies do this to their own stuff.
Look at the 7WSM, 7 SAUM, 6 ARC and so many other superior designs dying on the vine. This time I’ll be watching carefully from the sidelines. I want to see at least 4 factory loads and gun manufacturers chambering for it then MAYBE.
The bullet selection is hilarious, what are the ballistic figures when you load that 62gr VT in the .224 valkyrie. I don't own a valkyrie or am I a fan boy, but this is outrageous marketing bullshit they are both .224 caliber cartridges if you want to prove its better run the same bullet at the same barrel length and post the figures. I also disagree with the grendel case having more horse power than a 6.8spc case 6.8 has a absolute velocity advantage over the 6.5 grendel at the same barrel length.
Jayden, buy yourself a Pimp Hat. And while your at it, buy one for Seth as well.
With all the experts commenting. Y’all should all get together and open another company making and designing bullets. Then work on load data and then read all the haters dumb comments when you release something.
Ok so let’s post a comparison video with two experts between two similar cartridges and then not compare them? Why don’t you put that v match projectile in the valk? You’re not comparing the cartridges. You’re just trying to sell the new thing that does the same as the old thing
No new calibers, make what is already out available from 35 remington to 204 ruger. Hell can't even get 17wsm. Stop reinventing the wheel.
The only true head to head comparions and Hornady didnt provide the real data. Cmon guys. What i really took away from this is Hornady is jot going to support the Valk
This should have been named the NEW 22 PPC
I’m listening…
@3:43 you some where to be...lol
So no real difference at all
You stole this from the 22 DPC from @DesertPrecisionGunWorksLLC.
have they released a statement?