This explains why Hornady wasn't putting energy into 6 ARC after everyone bought the barrels and bolts. Brass production was virtually nonexistent forever and brass production from other manufacturers was late to market, even while demand was skyrocketing. At this time, I think Starline is the only manufacturer other than Hornady that produces aftermarket 6 ARC brass. It sucks that the products are pushed out there with over-the-top hype and in many cases there is very little subsequent production support once everyone buys in, because Hornady is off to the "next big thing." I think I learned my lesson with 6 ARC.
@@mostpopularpresidenteverI think they have done a hell of a job. It’s just a modern case design that has been wildcatted for years. How many websites can you go to to buy a wildcatted barrel and brass. It would be batter if they had a 40deg shoulder but who the hell can manufacture that?
So the most Fudd thing I've ever said is that I wish Hornady would work at producing enough existing cartridges instead of further dividing their production on new, redundant cartridges.
Yep, the official Hornady video was very long on air and zero hard facts. The 224 Valykie is a recent lesson on jumping onto the "Its New & Better But We Won't Disclose Why" bandwagon. When the 204 Ruger cartridge came out I was looking at stats, owner's accuracy reports, etc. But a big question was on my mind.....does this 204 have any practical advantage over .223 Rem? Answer from several 204 owners was....NO..!!
@ThickCutOhio If you've currently got a .223, you'd need to get a 6.5 Grendal bolt, but if you already have a 6.5 Grendal/6mm ARC AR-15, then it should just need a new barrel.
Not necessarily, this will shoot heavier longer bullets faster, essentially a 224 Valkyrie with a bit more velocity and hopefully not Valkyrie problems
@danietkissenle NO, the Grendel cartridge was loosely based on the 220 Russian case, but it's not quite the same. 22 ARC has more case capacity, feeds from Grendel AR mags, and now has a supply of factory brass. That said, ballisticly there's not enough difference between a 220 Russian, 22 PPC, 22 BR, and 22 ARC
Awesome to see this come to life. Ive shed light on this cartridge over a year ago as the 22 DPC. Dimensions are almost the same. Its an amazing cartridge and a perfect pair in the Uintah Precision UP15 bolt action AR15
@EagleEyeShooting: I'm sure you meant to say "22 PPC". 22 PPC was developed by Dr's Palmisano & Pindell in the mid 1970's and used with great success in bench rest shooting.
Having gone with the 6.5 Grendel over a decade ago, I’ll stick with it! I’ve taken many deer with it and regularly shoot 500 yards at one gallon water jugs. The Hornady 123 gr. SST and 120 gr. Speer Gold dot both have BC’s over .5 with a muzzle velocity of 2,550 fps. This translates into a rifle that performs well out of the AR 15 platform without chewing up brass or bolts! Most people have this fantasy of shooting 1,000 yards and can’t shoot a sub 1 MOA group if their life depended on it.
Here we are entering another major ammo shortage, the government it trying to strip the 2A, and Hornady is introducing another new cartridge 🤦🏼♂️ DOA.
22-250 is the king of the AR platform , it surprises me that someone hasn’t followed in Olympic arms footsteps , I picked my 22-250 AR up and the rest is history
@@stevenwagner9912 Olympic arms has made the only 22-250 on a ar15 receiver… it’s called the UMAR. Uses a proprietary mag. Your bear creek Arsenal is obviously an AR-10….. you guys are both kinda right. I think he just might not be aware that all other 22-250’s are built on AR10 receivers.
I am always interested in another new ARC cartridge. However I am a huge fan of 5.56x45 and .223 I also believe they have allot more to offer, and to be honest, I am really disappointed "no" manufacturer is continuing to do any R&D on 5.56/223 especially geared for shorter barrel use. which brings up an issue that I have with the .22ARC needing a 24" barrel, to reach those max velocities mentioned in this content.
Technically the 6 max is what is addressing your points or at least attempting to but I can’t remember the actual data results cause it was a garbage in garbage out sort of thing
They have a video explaining the differences, there are benefits to the 22 ARC th-cam.com/video/AHzWxON0SSo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=HornadyManufacturing Basically because it is combined with new bullets that fit the 22 arc case it has higher BC and so much better downrange drop and drift along with more energy
@@jayjoos5741I mean, technically, yeah. But considering the similarity between the 6.5 Grendal and 6.8 SPC cases, necking both of them down to .22 (ARC using Grendal and Valkyrie using SPC) was always going to result in an incredibly similar cartridge. By all accounts, this is looking like another 260 Rem vs. 6.5 CM or 243 Win vs. 6 CM battle. Hornady won against the 260 quite decisively, though not so much against 243, so I guess we'll see if they can do it again.
I have an Odinworks 21” 6mm ARC upper and it shoots lights out and has from the first magazine i will probably get a compete upper in 22 ARC from them also but i will never give up my 6 ARC i absolutely love it.
Looks very close to 22ppc dimensions. I owned one, almost no recoil, it lauched a 52 grain at 3250 give or take a little. This improvment is fast twist barrel, shoulder forward a little, made to accept a longer heavier bullet for B.C. and factory loading made to work in an AR platform. Whats not to like, especially for varmints.
We just built the most reliable 22 ARC on the AR15 platform. It's almost done field testing now.. but 6mm is already probably done. 22 ARC, new hybrid round out there. Our barrel MFG is a hornady partner and perfected the chamber and has a beautiful rifling. Reach out if you want to do a review on the 22 ARC
There's nothing that's really better than grendel yet. The nearest cartridges are all slightly more accurate if you're shooting prs matches, but for actually dropping live targets, they all trash their ballistic energy to get the job done.
Umm...22 Grendel. There is just so many caritdges that mimic the same performance or best it. Its another case of too many potatoes and not enough meat. Can't wait to hear all the people complaining that they can't get ammo or brass within 6 months of its release date.
I’m just getting into the 6.5 grendel. They seem to have problems keeping ammo for the existing cartridges. 🤷🏽♂️. I’ll be surprised if the 22arc hurts the 22-250 cartridge anytime soon. Jmho
Grendel is better for having more muzzle and terminal energy than any of the "new replacement" calibers. The new replacement calibers could be easier to shoot at a target competition, they all have slightly better accuracy, but that doesn't matter (to me) if it doesn't have an actually use beyond what grendel can do in the field.
I am done buying into the latest greatest magic cartridge with a catchy acronym. Next year they will be coming out with the SARC (Super-ARC) you can get 5 more grains of powder for 50 more FPS!
Anytime you get even hotter, barrel life will suffer more. So… yeah, I’m sure barrel life will be reduced faster. Not a big deal though, if you even shoot that much, buy another barrel. What’s the problem?
Great info guys. I can’t wait to see platforms using this cartridge. Met Tom in Alaska while I was bear hunting and have been an Odin Works fan ever since!
@@santicristyn2328don't worry about the naysayers. It's like they don't know if you load out long you have a larger powder capacity and higher velocity ceiling before you hit pressure. I'm not loading out that long, but I can push the 75gr eld close to 2950fps. That's out of a 20" bbl. I could easily see you pushing these 62gr slugs well over 3300fps.
@pandabanana2593 the guy up there clearly doesn't, as evidence by asking the OP how much brass he'd blown up. Nice try, but try again. None of the bullets he mentioned can be loaded to mag length, so your comment about "loading to mag length" makes it clear that neither you or the people up top have any experience with those bullets in the 223.
You know, I got a 8” 300 Odin barrel rig. And while it is just a strictly sub shooter 190 subx and 220 berrys. Even with those two and a 45 yard zero I’m fairly confident with my idc just get it to 1025ish loads it actually is a 1” gun at that distance. I’ve taken a poke at a few real real small targets and it’s a good az barrel. My .02
@@american7169oh actually I just remembered one I recovered. So fairly heavy sal 130-140 old girl. Was quartered pretty far from me. Past 45 more like 60-70. Popped her what I wanted to be somewhat low towards the base. Say mid neck. So this 190 went in. And deflected more towards running straight along with spine direction. And stopped between jaw and skull. In that joint area. I thought it was a good shot at first and she flip flopped bounces around. But then got up and stood there dazed and blinded. Maybe 20-30 seconds after. So I put another in her and this time it was opposite side. Right in the eye. I pulled that bullet and it actually looked like a banana. Slightly mushroomed tip but mostly just a bent banana. Probably only went 7-8”… so it’s gotta be a flat hit with that thing too. Remember that.
@@MrT13 yeah that flat fat nose needs to be straight on. Have you hit paper without keyhole in that rifle? They are very finicky on twist rate. Banana'd projos usually indicate she ain't flyin straight is why I ask.
22wssm v2? It's always nice to see a massive company come up with a "new" caliber when its just a renamed caliber to try to make millions. Has hornady ever stepped up to help gun people? Or have they upped ammo prices and kept them up. Was there any other companies to vastly increase their business during a pandemic?
I hope hornady uses varget or N140 for load data purposes. That's the biggest drawback with 6 ARC when using an extremely temp stable extruded powder, low velocity due to case capacity. Some of us prefer temp stability over sheer velocity but with 6 ARC/Varget/108gr eld-m bullets it is like shooting .308 w/out the recoil.
22 ARC is a good design, but I will definitely not be getting it, I have no need, 223 is fine for me However if you are a varmint hunter it basically gives you 22-250 performance in an AR so for hunters or target shooters it is pretty nice
@@imperfectlump6070more people have an ar-15 rather than an ar10, 22-250 uppers for ar-10 at normally limited and expensive, 22arc will supposedly have better barrel life
@@imperfectlump6070yeah just get an AR10 upper and 6.5 barrel to shoot this round that will be uncommon to find. This is not for run of the mill shooters. Strictly marketed for shooters who love buying rare experimental rounds to impress their friends.
They are fudging the numbers a little there. It holds 10 gr less powder. It's not going to beat a 22-250 loaded with the same bullet. They aren't comparing apples to apples. Plenty of fast twist 22-250s out there.
So you took the 220 Russian which was .224 caliber, necked it up to 6.5mm to make the 6.5 Grendel, then necked the 6.5 Grendel down to .224 and called it a new cartridge. This is just 220 Russian A.I.
@@justahologram2230 I didn't know the 220 was .223 cal. I also hadn't heard of the 22 ppc but I just looked it up and it literally is an Ackley improved 220 Russian with 30 degree shoulder and straighter body. Even sounds like it has the same performance as this 22 arc
@@justahologram2230 yeah. Just take a cartridge no one cared about when it came out, tweek it just enough to make it legally different, release it with a big marketing campaign, profit off idiots who think it's the next greatest thing
Sigh, making money by adding new cartridges for minuscule improvements is not the way. The rifle cartridge is pretty much at its end in terms of innovation, any improvements now are minor. Maybe spend the money reducing production costs? Dunno if that’s already optimal…Next major development will be truly revolutionary like a Star Wars blaster etc
I don't know why people are freaking our over this, it moves the same weight bullet, the speed as 22 nosler, in the same length action, but the 22 nosler has the superior rim diameter and feed angle.
This is a big miss for me just like the 6 ARC was. I don’t do bolt guns because I am not a fudd. The fact that the bolt face is as big as the 6 ARC bolt means short bolt life. They should’ve done a rebated rim so you can use a 556 bolt in an AR. It is why 300 blackout and 6.5 creedmoor took off so well. It literally is a barrel only change in the small frame and large frame AR platforms respectively. Not a bolt, magazine and barrel.
You would still want a new bolt. Some AR10s for example, need another bolt for 6.5cm with a smaller firing pin hole. Hence the JP high pressure bolts. I’d honestly like to try 6 ARC or 5.56 ARC.
Forgot my main point. Bolt actions are much more accurate than 99% of ARs out there. The bolts themselves are much stronger too. I understand that everyone and their grandmother that’s 6 feet under has an AR15 that’s sub MOA. That’s until you start shooting multiple 5-10 shot groupings and seeing if it’s actually consistent. Anyone can get lucky and accidentally stack 3 rounds close to each other at 100 yards. Most bolt actions I’ve shot are MUCH more accurate than ARs. Even your typical hunting rifles.
22 nosler is basically what you just described rebated rim to fit 223 bolt face. They had brass issues when they first launched it. But they fixed that issue. I have one and love it
That’s why case needed to be 6GT case cause everyone wants shoot shorter barrels but when it only beats something by 150ft when shrink barrel not that fast.
Acting like this is something new is ridiculous... ever heard of 22 PPC? Glen Zediker wrote chapters on shooting this cartridge across the course. Years ago. You guys should wake up.
I'm just as interested in the bullet. The website does not list the BC. Really? I've been married to 70g Bergers for a while now. Has Hornady performed a miracle and matched that BC (same as Sierra 77)? Inquiring minds want to know.
Definitely cool... I'm pretty much in a serious relationship with my 6 ARC though!!! LOL!! I mean seriously, this is a .22... That really limits what you are able to shoot plus that .22 ARC is going to be more susceptible to cross winds, etc.
@@PrayingPanda Yes, but with a proprietary change that makes it not work in the 6.5 grendel barrel I already have. Some small thing that they'll make a big deal about that will cause a good bit of the market to change over further eroding any economies of scale that would allow us to have ammo at less than $1 a round.
@@theunofficialresults231"220 Swift-burning barrels for 88 years. Come see what your great-grandpa learned in 1935." I'd rather have it over this 'caliber of the year' bs.
That's incredible. Oh, it's not 1934? The 220 Swift has been pushing pills up to 4000 fps in bolt guns since '35. Stop falling for marketing which is reinventing the wheel.
What’s funny is out of the hundred videos I’ve seen. nobody talks about the one thing that makes the 22arc relevant. Can you shoot heavier than 77gr 22 cal projectiles as fast or faster in a 18”-20” barrel in an AR and will the factory ammo meet those concerns. This video is the first I’ve seen at least touch on some of that. I may buy a bunch of 6arc starline brass to neck down to make an 18” test rifle to see if it works out.
Help explain my plan since I am a rookie in this type of stuff. First of all I am sorry that I am just catching up with videos about the 22 ARC. Based on being a left handed shooter and I can't find anyone who makes a left handed 22 ARC, why wouldn't I just buy a 6.5 Grendel. Then I could purchase a Barrel, Bolt head and Magazine for the 22 ARC and retrofit the Grendel to make it a 22 ARC? I see some left handed 6.5 Grendel AR's out there at a fair price. What am I missing? thanks for any help or feedback.
Sooo by the time the factory ammo hits the market any interest in this cartridge is going the way of the 224valk? Wasn't one of the issues with the 6mmARC that the bolt face is super weak in the ar15? Also if the stats on the 22ARC are superior to the 224valk, isnt hornady killing the 224valk with this release?
The bolt face isn't "super weak." It isn't even weak. Yes, it is theoretically weaker than the 5.56 bolt face, but I haven't had any issues with failure there and I haven't heard of any issues in real life or on the bullsh!t internet. Just theoretical talk. If you get 50,000 rounds out of one, and 45,000 rounds out of the other, is the latter "super weak?" The same is true for 6.5 Grendel and ARs chambered in 7.2x39 ("AR-47s"). Yet there are no stories about rampant bolt failures anywhere for those chamberings either. Just the occasional theoretical speculation in online forums. Also, some cartridges burn out barrels quicker than others, yet no one calls those barrels chambered in the hot cartridges "super weak." They are all wear items. Sooner or later they go. 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel bolts will likely fail sooner than 5.56, but that doesn't mean soon. It's all relative. As for Hornady killing .224V with this (it's probably already dying anyway), why would they care? They don't own the rights to .224V. (My comment here shouldn't be taken as endorsement for this cartridge or any of the others. Just pointing out that the internet a hotbed for misplaced speculation that a lot of people accept as gospel.)
I was shooting those 88gr .22 cal bullets on top of varget out of a 223 rem bolt gun with 1:7 running 2550 reaching 600yds shooting sub moa.... There is no way the barrel life is any good at all on this.
Exactly. The author of this video is telling a bald face lie about this round having any sort of barrel life at all. My bet is the barrel would no longer produce MOA at 1000 after about 500 rounds.
ARP's 5.56x42 is faster and plenty accurate. But since it uses 6.8spc brass, its frowned upon? 75gr AMAX at 3200fps from a 20" AR 4-4.5" groups at 700 yards.
Out of my 23" Kregier bbl 224 Valkyrie 28grs of Re#15 pushed a 60gr Sierra TMK at 3400FPS 25grs of Re#15.5 pushed a 75gr ELD m 2900FS. Can this 22 ARC beat that? But MOA accuracy is average.
I have a 6 ARC. I was seriously thinking about getting a 22 ARC until I saw the price of the ammo. For the same bullet, ELD VT, the 22 was three dollars more, WTF! Unless Hornady lowers the price of the 22 ARC, I will stick with my 6 ARC. I want to shoot the 22, but only if it's cheaper.
I suppose it could be useful...but useful enough to spend more money on parts and ammo? Not to me, anyway. The 556 does everything I need it to do, and is far more common.
This explains why Hornady wasn't putting energy into 6 ARC after everyone bought the barrels and bolts. Brass production was virtually nonexistent forever and brass production from other manufacturers was late to market, even while demand was skyrocketing. At this time, I think Starline is the only manufacturer other than Hornady that produces aftermarket 6 ARC brass. It sucks that the products are pushed out there with over-the-top hype and in many cases there is very little subsequent production support once everyone buys in, because Hornady is off to the "next big thing." I think I learned my lesson with 6 ARC.
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Buy what you need not what they sell you. It’s your choice and it’s fun to do it so enjoy it to no matter what’s new…”nothing is new in this world”
@@Nylonscheme Define "need."
@@mostpopularpresidenteverI think they have done a hell of a job. It’s just a modern case design that has been wildcatted for years. How many websites can you go to to buy a wildcatted barrel and brass. It would be batter if they had a 40deg shoulder but who the hell can manufacture that?
If military picks it up it will longevity and if they don't it's trash
So the most Fudd thing I've ever said is that I wish Hornady would work at producing enough existing cartridges instead of further dividing their production on new, redundant cartridges.
Yep, the official Hornady video was very long on air and zero hard facts. The 224 Valykie is a recent lesson on jumping onto the "Its New & Better But We Won't Disclose Why" bandwagon. When the 204 Ruger cartridge came out I was looking at stats, owner's accuracy reports, etc. But a big question was on my mind.....does this 204 have any practical advantage over .223 Rem? Answer from several 204 owners was....NO..!!
How about supply ammo for the rifles we all ready have first?
Shiiiii, just give us some damn primers already, this is more crap that nobody wants or is asking for. We just want primers and ammo man smh
So do you have to convert your standard AR for these to work?
Can’t even find the 30-06 150gr GMX
@ThickCutOhio If you've currently got a .223, you'd need to get a 6.5 Grendal bolt, but if you already have a 6.5 Grendal/6mm ARC AR-15, then it should just need a new barrel.
@@gpearce11 Unless you have a .223 AR & a 6.5 Grendel AR.
Then you can just put the Grendel bolt in the .223 Upper & shoot this cartridge.
We're almost full circle back to 5.56/.223 😂
Not necessarily, this will shoot heavier longer bullets faster, essentially a 224 Valkyrie with a bit more velocity and hopefully not Valkyrie problems
You bring up a good question though....
What would a modern reimagining of the 223/556 look like?
Modern case design/powders/bullets.
I hear it's comparable to 22-250
@mb9w so true!
Not really. More like (hopefully) an upgraded .224 Valkyrie
So...6.5 Grendel necked down to 223...
Go with 6.5 Grendel.
Isnt that just the 220 russian
@danietkissenle NO, the Grendel cartridge was loosely based on the 220 Russian case, but it's not quite the same. 22 ARC has more case capacity, feeds from Grendel AR mags, and now has a supply of factory brass. That said, ballisticly there's not enough difference between a 220 Russian, 22 PPC, 22 BR, and 22 ARC
Awesome to see this come to life. Ive shed light on this cartridge over a year ago as the 22 DPC. Dimensions are almost the same. Its an amazing cartridge and a perfect pair in the Uintah Precision UP15 bolt action AR15
If you're gonna run a bolt gun, get a 22-250 or if you're feeling froggy, a 220 Swift.
Is this gonna affect your dpc project? I followed it for a bit now this drops.
@EagleEyeShooting: I'm sure you meant to say "22 PPC". 22 PPC was developed by Dr's Palmisano & Pindell in the mid 1970's and used with great success in bench rest shooting.
Or any AR15 with a KaliKey?
@@donhammer186 No. .22 DPC
Having gone with the 6.5 Grendel over a decade ago, I’ll stick with it! I’ve taken many deer with it and regularly shoot 500 yards at one gallon water jugs. The Hornady 123 gr. SST and 120 gr. Speer Gold dot both have BC’s over .5 with a muzzle velocity of 2,550 fps. This translates into a rifle that performs well out of the AR 15 platform without chewing up brass or bolts!
Most people have this fantasy of shooting 1,000 yards and can’t shoot a sub 1 MOA group if their life depended on it.
Great video - awesome info! Well done - Thank you for the support!!
I love my 6.5 grendel. Unless ammo support is significantly stronger i wouldnt move.
Grendel all day everyday
Is it really worth it?
5 big SoGa white tails this year, 6 last, 4 the previous 7 before that all say yes. Lol. It's a bad boy. Mine is a tack driver.
“Babe wake up. New round just dropped”
Here we are entering another major ammo shortage, the government it trying to strip the 2A, and Hornady is introducing another new cartridge 🤦🏼♂️ DOA.
The ammo “shortage” is purpose made by the ammo companies
@@TheIrishAmishalso the gov't buying millions of rounds for its new irs agents.
Yeah...
Thing of it is, they would have started developing the cartridge before things went sideways
100%
22-250 is the king of the AR platform , it surprises me that someone hasn’t followed in Olympic arms footsteps , I picked my 22-250 AR up and the rest is history
But if has to be in the AR-10. And yes I have a BCA upper in22-250. The only thing I wish is that the twist was more like 8 or9. I have a 14.
@@stevenwagner9912 it absolutely is in a AR15 and not in an AR10
Put down the call of duty controller and the bong.
@@stevenwagner9912 Olympic arms has made the only 22-250 on a ar15 receiver… it’s called the UMAR. Uses a proprietary mag. Your bear creek Arsenal is obviously an AR-10….. you guys are both kinda right. I think he just might not be aware that all other 22-250’s are built on AR10 receivers.
22 250 beats the 22 arc if you have a 1 in 7 twist barrel to shoot the same bullets. It is ar 10 platform .
I am always interested in another new ARC cartridge. However I am a huge fan of 5.56x45 and .223 I also believe they have allot more to offer, and to be honest, I am really disappointed "no" manufacturer is continuing to do any R&D on 5.56/223 especially geared for shorter barrel use. which brings up an issue that I have with the .22ARC needing a 24" barrel, to reach those max velocities mentioned in this content.
Technically the 6 max is what is addressing your points or at least attempting to but I can’t remember the actual data results cause it was a garbage in garbage out sort of thing
So .220 Russian -> 6.5 Grendel -> 6mm ARC -> .22 ARC.
So it's a 224 Valkyrie from Hornady. How innovative.
They have a video explaining the differences, there are benefits to the 22 ARC th-cam.com/video/AHzWxON0SSo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=HornadyManufacturing
Basically because it is combined with new bullets that fit the 22 arc case it has higher BC and so much better downrange drop and drift along with more energy
No… it’s not a 224 Valkyrie…
@@jayjoos5741I mean, technically, yeah. But considering the similarity between the 6.5 Grendal and 6.8 SPC cases, necking both of them down to .22 (ARC using Grendal and Valkyrie using SPC) was always going to result in an incredibly similar cartridge.
By all accounts, this is looking like another 260 Rem vs. 6.5 CM or 243 Win vs. 6 CM battle. Hornady won against the 260 quite decisively, though not so much against 243, so I guess we'll see if they can do it again.
Yep. It’s a Valk, and it’s stupid.
Yup, this guy got it!
Gunsmiths dream of people that are members of the "Caliber of the Month Club"
I am sticking to 6.5 Grendel.
I have an Odinworks 21” 6mm ARC upper and it shoots lights out and has from the first magazine i will probably get a compete upper in 22 ARC from them also but i will never give up my 6 ARC i absolutely love it.
Just what we need.... Can't wait for 17 arc
90 grain needle going 3700 fps with a .4 bc
20 ARC would be a better option, but it would only gain about 150 fps over the 20 Practical which has a MUCH cheaper source of brass.
I’m surprised hornady did this with the 224 valkyrie out there. Case capacity is about identical
The valkyrie sucks
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Yours might, mine puts 8 of 10 shots under 1" with the old Federal 90g loads. That's good shooting for my skill level.
Anything Hornady does turns to gold
@@dontbetreadin4777mine is crazy accurate. Maybe it's operator error.
@@heraclitus6100 versatility is the weakness of the Valkyrie, shoots fine, but not a star at anything and very sensitive to small changes.
Looks very close to 22ppc dimensions. I owned one, almost no recoil, it lauched a 52 grain at 3250 give or take a little.
This improvment is fast twist barrel, shoulder forward a little, made to accept a longer heavier bullet for B.C. and factory loading made to work in an AR platform. Whats not to like, especially for varmints.
We just built the most reliable 22 ARC on the AR15 platform.
It's almost done field testing now.. but 6mm is already probably done.
22 ARC, new hybrid round out there. Our barrel MFG is a hornady partner and perfected the chamber and has a beautiful rifling.
Reach out if you want to do a review on the 22 ARC
Its nice. But my favorite is the 6.5 grendel
There's nothing that's really better than grendel yet. The nearest cartridges are all slightly more accurate if you're shooting prs matches, but for actually dropping live targets, they all trash their ballistic energy to get the job done.
Military should have went with 6GT and Hornady releasing 22GT today would be huge!!!
I really like my Odin Works stuff. Their ambi 45 safety is my favorite. Just nabbed up their LM BCG.
Umm...22 Grendel. There is just so many caritdges that mimic the same performance or best it. Its another case of too many potatoes and not enough meat. Can't wait to hear all the people complaining that they can't get ammo or brass within 6 months of its release date.
I’m just getting into the 6.5 grendel. They seem to have problems keeping ammo for the existing cartridges. 🤷🏽♂️. I’ll be surprised if the 22arc hurts the 22-250 cartridge anytime soon. Jmho
No! You WILL buy it. And when we reinvent the wheel next year at SHOT Show, you'll buy that too! /s
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It's the next new thing. I'm sticking w/my Grendel.
Grendel is better for having more muzzle and terminal energy than any of the "new replacement" calibers. The new replacement calibers could be easier to shoot at a target competition, they all have slightly better accuracy, but that doesn't matter (to me) if it doesn't have an actually use beyond what grendel can do in the field.
I love my 6arc and 6.5 grendal. Im in the process of building a 22arc
If they waited till the next year they could have piggybacked on 5.45x39 turning 50 as they basically re-released it at 5x the price.
Good observation lol
I am done buying into the latest greatest magic cartridge with a catchy acronym.
Next year they will be coming out with the SARC (Super-ARC) you can get 5 more grains of powder for 50 more FPS!
Magazines were the problem with Grendel. What is going to be the problems with 22? I have a Grendel, I don't want another problem gun.
The ELander steel magazines work great for me.
I want consistent and reliable hornady 6Arc first!!!
I’ve taken plenty of deer with the 6arc and i love it. I’ll pick the 6 arc over Grendel as i have both platform
What about barrel burnout and case life? The 224 Val is known for being tough on barrel and cases.
Anytime you get even hotter, barrel life will suffer more. So… yeah, I’m sure barrel life will be reduced faster. Not a big deal though, if you even shoot that much, buy another barrel. What’s the problem?
Great info guys. I can’t wait to see platforms using this cartridge. Met Tom in Alaska while I was bear hunting and have been an Odin Works fan ever since!
The 75gr bthp match from hornady has a g1 of 398 and g7 of 304 I believe. It is what I run in my 22-250.
I’m shooting 88 eldm around 2820 fps out a 223
80 eldm at 2950
75’s at 3150 fps so no need
In an ar platform?
How much brass are you blowing up? 98%😊?
Rifle barrel was chambered for 95 gr sierra pills so 88 grners are 2.650” don’t remember bto but case has room for more powder
@@santicristyn2328don't worry about the naysayers. It's like they don't know if you load out long you have a larger powder capacity and higher velocity ceiling before you hit pressure.
I'm not loading out that long, but I can push the 75gr eld close to 2950fps. That's out of a 20" bbl. I could easily see you pushing these 62gr slugs well over 3300fps.
@pandabanana2593 the guy up there clearly doesn't, as evidence by asking the OP how much brass he'd blown up.
Nice try, but try again. None of the bullets he mentioned can be loaded to mag length, so your comment about "loading to mag length" makes it clear that neither you or the people up top have any experience with those bullets in the 223.
You know, I got a 8” 300 Odin barrel rig. And while it is just a strictly sub shooter 190 subx and 220 berrys. Even with those two and a 45 yard zero I’m fairly confident with my idc just get it to 1025ish loads it actually is a 1” gun at that distance. I’ve taken a poke at a few real real small targets and it’s a good az barrel. My .02
Have you hit flesh with the 190 sub-x? For a sub, it blew me away! Got some 395's in 450bm I'm going hogging with soon
@@american7169oh actually I just remembered one I recovered. So fairly heavy sal 130-140 old girl. Was quartered pretty far from me. Past 45 more like 60-70. Popped her what I wanted to be somewhat low towards the base. Say mid neck. So this 190 went in. And deflected more towards running straight along with spine direction. And stopped between jaw and skull. In that joint area. I thought it was a good shot at first and she flip flopped bounces around. But then got up and stood there dazed and blinded. Maybe 20-30 seconds after. So I put another in her and this time it was opposite side. Right in the eye. I pulled that bullet and it actually looked like a banana. Slightly mushroomed tip but mostly just a bent banana. Probably only went 7-8”… so it’s gotta be a flat hit with that thing too. Remember that.
@@MrT13 yeah that flat fat nose needs to be straight on. Have you hit paper without keyhole in that rifle? They are very finicky on twist rate. Banana'd projos usually indicate she ain't flyin straight is why I ask.
Always love OdenWorks stuff . They don’t break the bank and are pure quality.
22wssm v2? It's always nice to see a massive company come up with a "new" caliber when its just a renamed caliber to try to make millions. Has hornady ever stepped up to help gun people? Or have they upped ammo prices and kept them up. Was there any other companies to vastly increase their business during a pandemic?
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I hope hornady uses varget or N140 for load data purposes. That's the biggest drawback with 6 ARC when using an extremely temp stable extruded powder, low velocity due to case capacity. Some of us prefer temp stability over sheer velocity but with 6 ARC/Varget/108gr eld-m bullets it is like shooting .308 w/out the recoil.
22 ARC is a good design, but I will definitely not be getting it, I have no need, 223 is fine for me
However if you are a varmint hunter it basically gives you 22-250 performance in an AR so for hunters or target shooters it is pretty nice
Couldn't you just get a 22-250 upper for an ar 10? I went with a 6.5 creedmoor.
@@imperfectlump6070more people have an ar-15 rather than an ar10, 22-250 uppers for ar-10 at normally limited and expensive, 22arc will supposedly have better barrel life
@@imperfectlump6070yeah just get an AR10 upper and 6.5 barrel to shoot this round that will be uncommon to find. This is not for run of the mill shooters. Strictly marketed for shooters who love buying rare experimental rounds to impress their friends.
They are fudging the numbers a little there. It holds 10 gr less powder. It's not going to beat a 22-250 loaded with the same bullet. They aren't comparing apples to apples. Plenty of fast twist 22-250s out there.
Did hornady just invent the 5.45x39?
So you took the 220 Russian which was .224 caliber, necked it up to 6.5mm to make the 6.5 Grendel, then necked the 6.5 Grendel down to .224 and called it a new cartridge. This is just 220 Russian A.I.
I thought 220 Russian used a 220 bullet and the 22 PPC was the 224 version
@@justahologram2230 I didn't know the 220 was .223 cal. I also hadn't heard of the 22 ppc but I just looked it up and it literally is an Ackley improved 220 Russian with 30 degree shoulder and straighter body. Even sounds like it has the same performance as this 22 arc
@@carami6442 so just like they did with the 6mm PPC and 6mm ARC
@@justahologram2230 yeah. Just take a cartridge no one cared about when it came out, tweek it just enough to make it legally different, release it with a big marketing campaign, profit off idiots who think it's the next greatest thing
@@carami6442 well no one outside of benchrest cared about them
Sigh, making money by adding new cartridges for minuscule improvements is not the way. The rifle cartridge is pretty much at its end in terms of innovation, any improvements now are minor. Maybe spend the money reducing production costs? Dunno if that’s already optimal…Next major development will be truly revolutionary like a Star Wars blaster etc
I don't know why people are freaking our over this, it moves the same weight bullet, the speed as 22 nosler, in the same length action, but the 22 nosler has the superior rim diameter and feed angle.
I have a 6.5 Grendel AR already. Is there a reason for me to switch from 6.5 Grendel to this?
no, except novelty
Let me know when you get factory load for producing 338 lapua mag performance (energy at distance and velocity) out of a 5.56 cartridge
I bet you can use the 6 arc bushing die and change the bushing/expander ball.
This is a big miss for me just like the 6 ARC was. I don’t do bolt guns because I am not a fudd. The fact that the bolt face is as big as the 6 ARC bolt means short bolt life. They should’ve done a rebated rim so you can use a 556 bolt in an AR. It is why 300 blackout and 6.5 creedmoor took off so well. It literally is a barrel only change in the small frame and large frame AR platforms respectively. Not a bolt, magazine and barrel.
You would still want a new bolt. Some AR10s for example, need another bolt for 6.5cm with a smaller firing pin hole. Hence the JP high pressure bolts. I’d honestly like to try 6 ARC or 5.56 ARC.
Forgot my main point. Bolt actions are much more accurate than 99% of ARs out there. The bolts themselves are much stronger too. I understand that everyone and their grandmother that’s 6 feet under has an AR15 that’s sub MOA. That’s until you start shooting multiple 5-10 shot groupings and seeing if it’s actually consistent. Anyone can get lucky and accidentally stack 3 rounds close to each other at 100 yards. Most bolt actions I’ve shot are MUCH more accurate than ARs. Even your typical hunting rifles.
They should have used the 350 Legend case like they did with the 6Max
22 nosler is basically what you just described rebated rim to fit 223 bolt face. They had brass issues when they first launched it. But they fixed that issue. I have one and love it
That’s why case needed to be 6GT case cause everyone wants shoot shorter barrels but when it only beats something by 150ft when shrink barrel not that fast.
What happened to 22 Nosler and 224 Valkyrie ?
Acting like this is something new is ridiculous... ever heard of 22 PPC? Glen Zediker wrote chapters on shooting this cartridge across the course. Years ago. You guys should wake up.
It even worse look at the 220 soviet nothing but a 5.6x39 from 1961
True. Excellent case geometry, very consistent chamber pressure.@@tbjtbj4786
22 Russian. This is kinda the original.
Yes, I think the case taper was blown out for the PPC version. Slight increase in capacity.@@userJohnSmith
I'm just as interested in the bullet. The website does not list the BC. Really? I've been married to 70g Bergers for a while now. Has Hornady performed a miracle and matched that BC (same as Sierra 77)? Inquiring minds want to know.
Why is Hornady making new rounds when they can’t even keep the old ones in stock. I’m still looking for the common 30-06 150gr GMX lol
Definitely cool... I'm pretty much in a serious relationship with my 6 ARC though!!! LOL!! I mean seriously, this is a .22... That really limits what you are able to shoot plus that .22 ARC is going to be more susceptible to cross winds, etc.
Remington made a round called 22 br made off the .308 case , is this about the same?
So, just 100 or so fps over the 223 with the 62 grain bullet. But you need a 24 inch barrel. Brass should be available in a couple of years.
Nice round, but cannot hunt with it in some areas.
Did not see anything on your website
When is Hornady going to release a 6.5 version of the 6mm arc? Maybe something with a .308 projectile?
So...a 6.5 Grendel...
@@PrayingPanda Yes, but with a proprietary change that makes it not work in the 6.5 grendel barrel I already have. Some small thing that they'll make a big deal about that will cause a good bit of the market to change over further eroding any economies of scale that would allow us to have ammo at less than $1 a round.
@pandabanana2593 Nah, I want to pay more than $1 a round. 7.62x39 is too cheap.
6.5 PRC
For this 22ARC what mag's do I need for my AR15 rifle and I need to order a full upper in the 22ARC and want a barrel for later as well ???
It’s the same case so I’d imagine 6.5 Grendel magazines would work. I’ve had great performance from my ELander steel mags.
Will it be a barrel burner ?
There’s no doubt about that and that’s why this video is suspect.
I'd rather build a AR10 chambered in 22-250 and handload the fancy bullets in those instead
Or 220 Swift
I’m a bolt guy anyway shot bolts for years and you can do quick follow ups very easily and run slightly hotter safely
22-250 doesn't have a fast enough twist rate to shoot the heavier bullets.
Good Lord. I will be sticking to my 22-250 bolt from Savage or build a AR 10 before this new round unless this ammo becomes dirt cheap
@@theunofficialresults231"220 Swift-burning barrels for 88 years. Come see what your great-grandpa learned in 1935." I'd rather have it over this 'caliber of the year' bs.
These are gonna be excellent out of a CIP specced 223 remington (62ksi) vs the 22ARC's 52ksi. I can see people hitting 3300fps easy with bolt guns.
If it pushed 3500+ I’d be interested.
That's incredible. Oh, it's not 1934? The 220 Swift has been pushing pills up to 4000 fps in bolt guns since '35. Stop falling for marketing which is reinventing the wheel.
Where did you get the cartridge comparison chart?
Can I please pre-order a shotgun rifle and a 4wheel drive?
What’s funny is out of the hundred videos I’ve seen. nobody talks about the one thing that makes the 22arc relevant. Can you shoot heavier than 77gr 22 cal projectiles as fast or faster in a 18”-20” barrel in an AR and will the factory ammo meet those concerns. This video is the first I’ve seen at least touch on some of that.
I may buy a bunch of 6arc starline brass to neck down to make an 18” test rifle to see if it works out.
Help explain my plan since I am a rookie in this type of stuff. First of all I am sorry that I am just catching up with videos about the 22 ARC. Based on being a left handed shooter and I can't find anyone who makes a left handed 22 ARC, why wouldn't I just buy a 6.5 Grendel. Then I could purchase a Barrel, Bolt head and Magazine for the 22 ARC and retrofit the Grendel to make it a 22 ARC? I see some left handed 6.5 Grendel AR's out there at a fair price. What am I missing? thanks for any help or feedback.
Well where do I get the parts? Can't find em.
Some 50g explode but 53g vmax and heavier work great out of a 1-7 twist
What's the powder difference between the ARC and the 22-250.
Why not just put 1-8 twist in 22-250's? No problem with powder capacity there. To simple? I am no expert at all just my opinion.
Does anyone make a reliable magazine for the Grendel, 6mm ARC, and 22 ARC?
Elander mags have worked great for me.
I believe Duramag does for Grendel.
Duramag works for me. Blue followers.
Alexander Arms mags work great for me
Duramag
Yea tried loading up my 6ARC for a blot gun.. wipes out the brass very fast!!
Some of these new rounds are cool but I’m not jumping on the bandwagon. There’s nothing my 22-250 ant do! It kills white tails and reach out far
What kind of tripod is that gun sitting on ?
Have many Odin works products, Great stuff!
So Hornaday can't produce enough 6mm ARC, so what is the natural next step? Come up with a new cartridge!
Sooo by the time the factory ammo hits the market any interest in this cartridge is going the way of the 224valk? Wasn't one of the issues with the 6mmARC that the bolt face is super weak in the ar15? Also if the stats on the 22ARC are superior to the 224valk, isnt hornady killing the 224valk with this release?
.224 Valkyrie isn’t Hornady, it’s Federal.
The bolt face isn't "super weak." It isn't even weak. Yes, it is theoretically weaker than the 5.56 bolt face, but I haven't had any issues with failure there and I haven't heard of any issues in real life or on the bullsh!t internet. Just theoretical talk. If you get 50,000 rounds out of one, and 45,000 rounds out of the other, is the latter "super weak?" The same is true for 6.5 Grendel and ARs chambered in 7.2x39 ("AR-47s"). Yet there are no stories about rampant bolt failures anywhere for those chamberings either. Just the occasional theoretical speculation in online forums. Also, some cartridges burn out barrels quicker than others, yet no one calls those barrels chambered in the hot cartridges "super weak." They are all wear items. Sooner or later they go. 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel bolts will likely fail sooner than 5.56, but that doesn't mean soon. It's all relative. As for Hornady killing .224V with this (it's probably already dying anyway), why would they care? They don't own the rights to .224V. (My comment here shouldn't be taken as endorsement for this cartridge or any of the others. Just pointing out that the internet a hotbed for misplaced speculation that a lot of people accept as gospel.)
So how many rounds do you get out of a barrel before it burns out. Whether it be steel or stainless. Just like the 6.5 Creedmoor?
Any issues running this new round through a 556 surefire suppressor?
I was shooting those 88gr .22 cal bullets on top of varget out of a 223 rem bolt gun with 1:7 running 2550 reaching 600yds shooting sub moa.... There is no way the barrel life is any good at all on this.
Exactly. The author of this video is telling a bald face lie about this round having any sort of barrel life at all. My bet is the barrel would no longer produce MOA at 1000 after about 500 rounds.
ARP's 5.56x42 is faster and plenty accurate. But since it uses 6.8spc brass, its frowned upon?
75gr AMAX at 3200fps from a 20" AR 4-4.5" groups at 700 yards.
I completely agree. With the spc case head diameter leaving more meat on the bolt face it's much better.
I believe Jason Peterson shot a 4.5"group at 1200 yards with the ARP 5.56x42 at Strategic Edge.
Can you use the 1.8 Grendel barrel on the 22 ark?
So, the 88 vs the 108 6 ARC seem to be about the same velocity at 2800....
What is the optimum barrel twist 1/7?, 1/8?
When are better 6 arc magazines coming.i still have mag problems?
Is it Centerfire or rim fire the new 22 arc
Where is this complete gun at on Odin site?
Out of my 23" Kregier bbl 224 Valkyrie 28grs of Re#15 pushed a 60gr Sierra TMK at 3400FPS 25grs of Re#15.5 pushed a 75gr ELD m 2900FS. Can this 22 ARC beat that? But MOA accuracy is average.
6mm arc is the ultimate ar cartridge
I have a 6 ARC. I was seriously thinking about getting a 22 ARC until I saw the price of the ammo. For the same bullet, ELD VT, the 22 was three dollars more, WTF! Unless Hornady lowers the price of the 22 ARC, I will stick with my 6 ARC. I want to shoot the 22, but only if it's cheaper.
What kind of tripod? Thx!!
I suppose it could be useful...but useful enough to spend more money on parts and ammo? Not to me, anyway. The 556 does everything I need it to do, and is far more common.
Where can I get a Complete upper and magazine for this 22 ARC?
Why did they not compare the 22-250 with a 77 and the Arc with a 77 gr bullet?
Was better 22ark or the 22 creedmore in a AR- or LR-RIFLE ODIN works has everything for my LR-RIFLE I like the 7 Atles great quality for the money.
Is Hornady going to try to reinvent the 9mm next?