I wonder if flatearthers believe thousands of graduates worldwide each year in physics, engineering, geology, architecture etc. are taken to a corner minutes before their graduation and told "all the calculations you've been doing in the last few years don't work, remove gravity from any maths formula and all be ok, oh! and don't tell anybody!"
The memory wipe is done at the end of the graduation when the man in black walks on stage and puts his shades on on and asks everyone to look at his pin that flashes. 😂
Honestly, I still think 99% of flat earthers are just trolls. They're doing it for attention and "the lulz", and for the 1% that's dumb enough to fall for it and donate to them.
Is it just me or flat earthers have this smugness about them: "you can't see", "you can't prove", "it's the default position", "basic logic" and the smirk on their faces... It's so hard to watch.
I think I'm finally starting to understand: 1: Fail school, or never go 2: See others succeeding 3: 'Beat' those people in arguments using florid language and word salad. 4: Tell yourself you're a smort boy after all
This is what I have been saying forever. These are people who, when in grade school, sneered and mocked those other students taking classes on biology, physiology and physics. They couldn't handle the course work back then so they restored their sense of self-esteem by pretending that those courses were of no value to their future selves and they were being smart by avoiding them. What they chose, in substitute, to focus on was (in their minds) obviously superior: sports, auto shop, video gaming, flipping burgers, etc. Then they grew into adults, and their teenage sense of mockery stopped working with mature peers, and their lack of education started to leave them behind. They found some niche in life and went about their business until they stumbled into this flat earth nonsense, where other adults welcome them into a community that embraces mockery of science. And now they can return to sneering and mockery again with the feedback from their peers that they are the smart ones after all, that they have devined the true nature of reality and, yes, all those kids back in the formative years of high school were the actual losers.
I sat in an airplane doing 600 miles per hour. The speed pushed me into the chair and I couldn't move or breathe. NOT! I had a great meal, that didn't fly in my face.
None of them understand that 1000 mph is not fast considering the actual size of the earth. I tried to explain it to a flerfer using a basketball, could not get his head around it; "but the earth isn't a basketball". These people genuinely hurt my head.
When talking about feeling constant motion it's usually in regards to air resistance, rotational velocity means nothing to them because the linear velocity still exists, they think "Omg 1000mph why aren't things being blown off the earth?!?" In the case of the earth's rotation the air moves with it thanks to the same force that keeps us on it, so there isn't going to be 1000 mph winds at the equator. Which they also disregard because they're less interested in facts than thinking they're special for having some kind of secret knowledge, real or not.
The size of the earth merely affects the forces.. The speed is unnoticeable because everything is going st that speed, if the atmosphere didn't spin you'd definitely notice a strong breeze.
@@ZombielandVariants I can use any desk globe and a tape measure to tell you any distance between any two points on earth and it will match reality, every time for every distance. Be a love and let me know which scaled flat world map I can use to achieve this same basic function. Ta muchly.
The fact they believe the 70% surface area being covered in water is a ratio of earth to water, of an entirely mapped planet. No ice wall, no dome, no firmament ever photographed. The 70% is still somehow unavoidable.
Also note: 1) At least one quote was from someone else while he showed Einstein's picture. 2) Some of the foundational quotes he mines are from the beginning of scientists' careers, and far enough back that he also ignores discoveries since those statements. 3) Oh yeah, partial quotations, aka quote mining.
I will say this every time...One rotation of earth, regardless of speed, takes 24 hours. One revolution around the sun, regardless of speed, takes 365 (ish) days. So, stand in place and do ONE rotation over the course of 24 hours. Would you noticeably feel the rotation? Would you feel yourself revolving around an object in your living room if you took 365 days to revolve all the way around it? No. Case closed. Aside from already being at speed with the earth itself, on the scale we are talking about...it's not really readily noticeable anyway.
I mentioned in another comment about flying insects in moving vehicles. Think that fly annoying the shit out of you knows he is actually moving 60mph instead of his normal flight speed?
The absolute dumbest thing flerfrs do is talk about earths rotation in measures of MPH, that's not how revolutions are measured. Do people think that the speedometer in their car measure the engines speed? Tell help any flerfer who may read this the MPH gauge in your car reads your relative speed along the ground. The other gauge that measures the engines rotational speed is called a tachometer, that's how humans measure rotational speed, it does not read MPH in any shape or form. The earth spins at .0006944 RPMs, that sounds pretty slow to me, like maybe you wouldn't even feel that.
I remember doing my underwater navigation for my scuba licence. It was particularly poor visibility that day. I had to swim in a square for about 20 meters. And every time I needed to turn 90 degrees I felt like my compass wasn't right. Up until the last 3 meters when I finally saw my instructor and realized the compass was wrong and my inherent sense of direction was so far off when you can't see anything around you.
I was talking to a flat earther and he said "the cavendish experiment has not been repeated EVER" and he dared me to send him even one example. I sent him 12 videos of people doing it.. He's not answering anymore :(
Typical flerf, they will ignore everything that proves them wrong because it will destroy their delusions and therefore they will no longer feel smart and special..... They'll just ask others the same exact question who can't understand their nonsense questions.
@@foxbat1766Like Mark Sargent who demanded "a picture from a plane showing curvature". MCToon sent him four. Blew his mind presumably. (As far I know, he hasn't responded.)
I was in the Marine Corps. I can tell you from personal experience that when we shoot long-range ballistics, we absolutely DO NOT assume the earth is stationary. If we did, we'd miss our targets.
Sure he claims the 66.6 degree angle to fit a crude narrative. But he uses mathemagics instead of mathematics. The opposite angle of the 23.4° tilt of an perpendicular axis, rotating vertical on the solar orbit is 180° - 23.4° = 156.6°. The equator is defined to be always in a 90° angle to earth axis, so that there will only four time a year an angle of 66.6° to this orbit. We call this moments solstice and can calculate it exact down to a femtosecond. Either he is to dumb to understand, or he understand. Then he lies.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but those distances weren't calculated using miles right? Or in any way that can be reasonably argued as they decided to say it is that distance because of what it looks like in miles.
Not a flat earther, but he never really addressed the point witsit made. he just made him look ignorant and misrepresented his argument. I truly believe he thinks the earth is flat. The point is, Can’t Dan be honest and destroy him logically? Why not?
@@b-1sauce525Dan is showing precisely why he doesn’t trust him, because he makes claims with no evidence and constantly cherry picks quotes that appear to support his argument while ignoring the parts that disprove him.
It's because most flerfs are also bible-loving young earth creationists, and they like associating their opponents with their mythical devil figure in an attempt to poison the well.
The "do you feel the Earth spinning" still makes me cringe inside after all these years. "Basic logic" would be to read a physics text book on forces on rotating bodies for starters.
What makes it even worse in this case if that they don't even need to read a physics book. They can't even do the "I don't understand it so it is not true" shit, or the "they" are just lying to you tactic. They can get in a goddamn train or even a car and prove themselves wrong.
@@terranceparsons5185"you can't feel it? You should try getting in touch with nature, my guy, after I awoke my third eye I was able to be in tune with the rotation of the earth" gotta out weird the weirdos
Before they would quote only the parts that fits their narrative but now they read the whole thing not realizing they're exposing their stupidity even more.
@@dragoncubes1074 I can't count the number of times I've refuted a flerfing idiot's argument, and their only response is some variation of, "I'm not reading all of those words." So, yeah...not only do they fail to understand a sentence or paragraph with too many words, they will flat out refuse to read them.
And they don't even understand the quotes that they are mining. Einstein is saying all reference frames are valid. The spaceship moving at 0.5 c past an observer is the exact same as the observer moving past the spaceship at 0.5 c. Sure the earth can be stationary, but that means the entire universe is spinning around every 24 hours. And the sun is wobbling around in there, and all the planets are making little loops. It's all possible and equally valid, it just makes the math a LOT harder for no reason. We treat the Earth as moving because it's the simplest way to deal with our observations. So yes, it's by convention and "philosophical," but any other way makes it WAY harder to get the exact same result.
Earth's rotation about its axis can be proven in a number of ways. Foucault's pendulum. Laser gyroscope (thanks Bob!). Or the fact that things weigh less at the equator than at the poles.
The telescopes rotation in astronomy. With the axis from north to south. The gyrocompass. The vertical coriolis effect in free fall experiments in mine shafts. The torque from a rotating balance scale.
The Soviets used to have a fail-safe on their rockets where during launch if they leant over a bit too much (30 degrees?) they'd blow up. So one day they went to launch one, and nothing happen, it just sat on the pad. After a while they wandered over to take a look... anyway, "Thanks Bob!" is not what was said.
@@BladeValant546 Rocket had a gyroscope connected to its auto-destruct. Gyro was pointing straight up; as the Earth rotated (15 Bobs per hour) so from the gyros point of view it was still pointing straight up, but the rocket was leaning over 15 degrees. After another hour (or whatever) the gyro thought the rocket was leaning over just a bit too far and told the auto-destruct to do its thing.
@@ReinoGooTwo steps forward because earth, half a step backwards because of the moon. Love watching the moon and Jupiter approach each other ever 2 weeks. They are probably "touching" today.
@@KingIsulgard Exactly! Assuming a smooth surface/no turbulence, we can also stack rocks in a car, train or even a plane. I guess those aren't moving either! 🤣
If we could “feel” the earth in constant motion, what purpose would that serve our species? Our brains would quickly learn to ignore then constant input because it provides no value.
Snipers, atillery men, naval gunners, and more all have to account for the coriolis effect. Which is how much the Earth will rotate while the round you fired is in the air, so you have to compensate and aim slightly off of your target, or you will miss.
@@psycomutt long range as in how far? Over a course of a hundred km for long range artillery the deflection can be a decent amount (metres). Over a long range sniper engagement (1000m) you can get a couple of inches of deflection depending on the direction you are shooting - it can be enough to miss a shot over these ranges.
@@MattyEngland They do - it's one of the key things to take into consideration. Not as much as wind or distance but the *direction* of the shot relative to the rotation of the Earth can make a noticeable distance and with often only one shot possible, not wanting to miss is very important. If all you do is shoot on the same range then you won't need to take the Earth's rotation into account past the first shot; but then if you were to reverse and shoot from the target back you would have to adjust for this.
@@MattyEngland There are snipers and there are SNIPERS. Ultra long range snipers do take it into account. Many of the fancy sniper scopes available today (at very high amounts of cash) do it for them. Normal snipers generally are engaging at ranges too short (up to 1000') for it to matter significantly - the coriolis effect is often swamped by the snipers own manual accuracy. The manuals they use generally ignore it. But push the range to 2000' or more it matters to those with very specialized equipment, and failure to account for it could result in a complete miss. The marine sniper manual covers it.
3:25-3:26 "...is that the Earth is in motion." 3:39-3:41 "Do you ever experience that the Earth is moving? Of course..." 10:31-10:33 "We're flying through space, you just can't tell." -Witsit Gets It, 2024
I joined flat earth friends on Facebook, I can see why you do this now, I wish I'd done it sooner, I mean, I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but I feel super intelligent being among the Flerfs and it's so much fun, they really will not give an inch, im loving it.
I like how he has all the answers and knows everything from the confines of that dark stuffy room. You're doing it wrong NASA, JAXA, ESA, and everyone else, this guy knows everything from his flerfer dungeon.
@@GamesFromSpacemaybe it’s an infinite spinning disc. the g’s you’d be pulling the further out would be immense though, maybe they’re just really strong out there
I inadvertently did this back in the early 1990s. We were evaluating an optical gyroscope for possible use in a proposal; I hooked it up, got readings, and even though it was sitting on a lab table it reported motion. Did a bit of math and found it was reporting the correct angular velocity for our latitude.
@@valkree5081 It can't be infinite what with the speed of light being finite. And the wind would be kinda bonkers, all the air here would be sucked out.
@@GamesFromSpace True, HOWEVER, it only works out to exactly 15 degrees per hour (in one axis) if you're on the equator. Bob was not on the equator. Another video clip from Bob (I think shown by Scimandan) showed more detail. Bob explained that device showed rotation in more than one axis, the *NET* rotation was 15 degrees per hour.. Bob showed great puzzlement and held up his hand up and said "this is what this movement would look like" and moved his hand in a sort of curling rotating motion. Little realizing that if he put his hand on globe centered on where he did the experiment, his hand would perform the exact same motion. Oops. Exactly as one would expect if the device's sensor axes (there are of course three) was not held in alignment to the earth axis - eg: he was somewhat north of the equator and the axes of the device were aligned to local level and perpendicular ;-). Thus, Bob proved the earth was a globe *too*.
When you get in your car, or any other enclosed conveyance, and a fly has decided to accompany you; it is exposed to the same atmosphere, motion and other variables you are. As you travel along a high speed road the fly has no trouble flying around in that car. It is not thrown to the rear of the car under acceleration nor to the front during deceleration. It is enclosed in an atmosphere in a moving vehicle subject to inertia. Due to its size relative to its surroundings, the fly experiences minimal disturbance while in the moving car. We are like the fly. We’re on the moving earth in an enclosed atmosphere and we don’t feel that motion.
I went up the space needle in Seattle, Washington, USA. There is a restaurant at the top. It turns at aprox. once per hour. ---> I did not feel it moving. Hmmmm... Since not feeling it move is proof that it is not moving then clearly what is going on is some great "they" are periodically re-arranging Seattle for my dining pleasure. --- that has to be it. Don't argue ....That is it.
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so easy, there are certain questions they refuse to give a straight answer to because they know an answer would destroy their case
They're just clueless and walk off when they think they've delivered the knockout blow. They don't get to see the utter disdain reflected back at them.
@@grahvis Flatearthers are perfectly aware that there are questions they can't answer and they run away from them, so they must somehow understand, deep down, that flat earth is BS. IMO, why some people adhere to flat Earth is above all a question of psychology.
10:10 He's talking about a "stationary Earth" whilst showing an image in the background of the skies whizzing past above the ground, because we're turning underneath them. When you're in a train, you can see the landscape whizz by for the same reason - because the train is in motion.
Also essentially almost everyone with a PhD in physics, applied mathematics or engineering (including myself) must be part of the conspiracy, because all of those people use the same models of gravity (Newtonian and/or Einstein's general theory of relativity, depending on the context).
And of course the assumptions are specified because they are known to be wrong, but result in acceptable error in the circumstances in which they were being used. If they weren't known to be wrong there would be no reason to point them out.
Have two planes take off from somewhere on the equator, but in difference directions. One travelling with the Earths spin, one against One will get there quicker. A ring laser gryo does the same thing, but with lasers ('cos lasers are cool). Fire two lasers in opposite directions around a loop, see which one arrives first. The Earth's rotation will cause a very slight mismatch in speeds that can be detected. (It actually detects the mismatch between the two beams, if they arrived at the same time their phase would match, how far out of phase indicates how fast it's rotating. The "out of phase" is how most laser measuring stuff works; from radar guns to those measuring things to LIGO.)
Because that quote comes from a speech Einstein gave in Tokyo and he was specifically talking about the motion of the earth with respect to the aether. In context, it reads: "Then I myself wanted to verify the flow of the ether with respect to the Earth, in other words, the motion of the Earth. ... While I was thinking of this problem in my student years, I came to know the strange result of Michelson's experiment. Soon I came to the conclusion that our idea about the motion of the Earth with respect to the ether is incorrect, if we admit Michelson's null result as a fact. This was the first path that led me to the special theory of relativity. Since then, I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment, though the Earth is revolving around the Sun."
Einstein was referring to linear (straight-line) motion. It's part and parcel of the idea is that there is no such thing as a fixed place in space, and as such there's no way to measure your speed or direction relative to it. It's always relative to what you've chosen as your "zero reference". Which has no fixed location either. Meanwhile, rotation is not linear. Zero rotation is not relative to a specific point, it's relative to *ITSELF*. Acceleration may be linear, but at LEAST the reference is itself. As such, the Sagnac effect (eg: ring laser gyros) allows you to determine rotation using optical methods without a fixed external reference point. There are also mechanical methods for both rotation and acceleration. But not for linear non-accelerating motion.
I love bringing up the LIVE STREAM of the International Space station and showing how the clouds, hurricanes, and weather depicts exactly what is going on in radar forecast.
Austin, also known as “WitsitGetsIt,” is quite a unique person. Despite his reserved nature in public, it has been revealed in a recent debate that he is indeed a believer but he never really talks about it during a debate. Plus, he holds views against same-sex relationships, if you see what I mean because _"the Bible says so."_ last point: he has never traveled beyond the U.S. borders, which could account for his limited understanding of the world, but watch videos on TH-cam as a 'scientific reference' (herm!) ... I guess.
@@einienj3281Oh, I see what you mean for sure! He also presents supposed 'facts' that often lack coherence because he misinterprets scientific data or is not totally accurate (I would say 50% not accurate 90% of the time), and not in a way that aligns with the consensus of the scientific community. He also refers to outdated scientific papers that have been dismissed or not approved, yet he argues (with tons of words, as always) something like, _"Well It’s a scientific study and article (or paper). So, there you go! Also, you should read it because you should learn sometimes."_
@@RealBLAlley Or... I could be saying I am amazed anyone picks take-out food. Everyone should learn how to cook at home. It's a great hobby and who wants a stranger making your food anyway?
I love how this guy starts off saying "if we remove any kind of indepth investigation, then what I'm saying makes sense" How can flerths hear that and not think he's deliberately excluding ALL the evidence against him
I worked with a map-denier (yah, that's a thing) who couldn't understand how we can cross the country in a car in a few days but 'back in the day' the horse-drawn wagons took months....oh, and I wasn't allowed to cite Miles Per Hour. So yah, the flerfers explanations stand as long as we're not allowed to use real science.
@@mikebronicki8264and despite that, even the Bible says the earth is a spinning ball in a vacuum, if you look up their favorite verses in the original language it was written in. It's the English translation that changes it to be a circle with a firmament that they take to mean a dome.
Those guys never fly planes or travel in a train? For the 1000th time, you can't feel speed, you can feel acceleration! Besides you're on a playground or Rollercoaster and make turn...
@@stevenjohnson4190 we all know that no one really uses trains nor planes, it's hoax sponsored by nasa where they use human-like androids that whit ELECTROMAGNETIC force stich to train/plane walls to not fly away from such force
Love your videos sci-man dan, I treat them as comedy because you're so good at debunking these flerfers it gives me a good chuckle. To any flerfers who might read this, I challenge you to go outside at night and find a constellation to the east which is just above your neighbours roof line. Then go outside an hour later and see where the same constellation is. What?! It moved? Wonder why that is. It's the reason astronomers and astrophotographers buy expensive mounts to track this movement - to counter the rotation of the earth. As an owner of a manual 8" dobsonian telescope I can also tell you the earth's rotation is a pain 🤣
There are flat earthers that are stupid and dishonest. This guys is something else. Never have I seen a someone so blatantly twist facts and quotes like he has. As someone that spent 4 years studying astrophysics and worked extremely hard to get a first class masters degree in it, this genuinely boils my blood when guys like this are allowed to spew to an audience. Thank you Dan for exposing him for the fraud he is 👍🏻
Did I understand that correctly? Earthquakes are, according to this, due to Earth shifting its supposed stationary position? Then how come they aren't felt everywhere at the same time and of the same magnitude? How and why would the alleged centre of the Universe shift? What a strange suggestion.
Actually, the Sun & Moon cause earthquakes. See the Sun causes a hot spot (Earth expands) and the cold light from the Moon produces a cold spot (Earth shrinks) so when the Sun & Moon are in the right positions that expanding & shrinking combine to cause an earthquake. Let's see SciManDan debunk that one! (Hmm, that's a better theory than the flerfs have come up with, I should start my own channel.)
Oh, you are trying to make sense of what he said? Happy headache. The only thing he has on his side is that the words he uses are in the dictionary and that his sentences are grammatically correct. I can do the same “Drink Ikea, the only cheese that tells you the time to the nearest meter.” Entertainment level at your discretion, sense level zero.
You can tell you're riding in a car because you're watching the scenery pass by as you travel down the road, close your eyes and all sensation of movement stops (except for sound that is), and you can imagine you're at home sitting in your easy chair. Flerfs always take things at face value and never delve into the truth or falsity of their claims, that's why quote mining is so effective, they know that 99.9999999% of their followers are going to just believe it and not check it out for themselves.
You can only feel FORCE (through acceleration, F=m*a), not SPEED (no acceleration, distance/time). Jumping in an steady flight aircraft or straight train at constant speed doesn't slam you into the wall. Just looking at the clouds should be enough to see that the atmosphere wind is relative to earth rotation and miniscule compared to what a standstill atmosphere would look like. Without going into mathematical details or actual physics, this is preschool/kindergarden level stuff to get an intuitive feeling of. And they know it, so this is just bad faith nonsense on their part.
@@Truth_Apologetics You've got your eyes closed imagining you're somewhere else, you have no sense of movement, then you scream at the driver *_STOP SHAKING MY CHAIR DAMNIT!_* 😁
We cannot verify that the earth is moving just by looking at the earth. However, if we look at anything beyond the earth, ie stars, sun etc we can for sure see that the earth is moving.
It's easier to assume that we are spinning, rather than all the objects in space travelling around us at speeds whereby they accurately maintain their positions in relation to each other.
it is amazing how these clowns like to throw in big numbers to overwhelm people, when those numbers aren't nearly as impressive as they think it is. So when they talk about the Earth rotating at 1000 miles an hour, yet overlook the size of the Earth, or they use the speed of Earth's orbit. Yet, they overlook the size of that orbit, or how fast our solar system is orbiting the galactic center, yet fail to realize that the Galaxy is massive. When they use the speed of the respective orbits and fail to add in the scale, that isn't just cherry-picking, it is intellectual dishonesty of the highest order.
They do so while ignoring that everything else is also moving as if they think as soon as something stops touching the floor it should rocket off in some direction. You see that all over this, the ground is moving X yet nothing above it seems to move, the earth is doing this huge speed in space yet I can't see the north star move yet the constellations change over the course of the year, We are moving this huge speed in the galaxy while pretending that the rest of the star are still. They also like that is can't be detected, it can but they just pretend those things don't happen because they found things they can misquote to make them sound correct.
@@stobe187 Scale isn’t even half the problem. They say things and never do the math to back themselves up. They rattle off their large numbers because they know it sounds impressive then leave everything else to be implied from that. The spin is fast it should throw everything off, the orbit is faster so the air should get left behind. But when you actually work out the accelerations and forces involved, you find, because of the scale of things, that it’s tiny compared to the examples they put in their memes.
Years ago, in debating club, I learned how important it is to check the context of quotes. This entire video serves as a reminder of how important that is. In the case of Flat Earthers, it should be standard procedure to check every single quote for words left out, cut-outs and cut-offs, and just plain making it up. One should also check every experiment they mention to see what the intent was and what the results actually are. They are constantly misrepresenting Michelson-Morley for example. There are very few examples better than Flat Earthing of all the wrong ways to prove a point. (But that's just it: If they used the right processes and procedures, they'd end up proving themselves wrong.)
Sooooo.... According to Whitsit, when I take my metal pen between my thumb and pointer finger, and bounce it up and down quickly.....holy crap!!! Metal is bendy like rubber!?! I saw it, so it must be so. According to Whitsit, our senses rule supreme and can never be incorrect.
I don't think it always only hurts themselves. They must have convinced some people that flat earth is true. If you can believe something as insanely unscientific as flat earth, what other moronic arguments can you believe? And if you can just go so fiercely against the evidence you could end up being the people who are the cause of measles increasing in the US, or that we shouldn't maybe think about taking care of the environment, or that the AIDS pandemic in Sub-Saharan Africa could be vastly improved if everyone used condoms.
Someone needs to do the math on how bright the sun would be and how easily visible its light would be at night on the other side of the flat earth. A sphere that bright, and that hot would likely be far brighter than the moon and regardless of how far away it is on a flat earth you should be able to see it since they think it's 3000 miles up in the sky or something. Also heat calculations, the whole "the sun shifts between the tropics making the seasons change" is hilarious. Why does the heat from the sun stop so short on a flat earth? Why hasn't the sun cooked is to death if we're in a closed system under an impenetrable dome? Where is the heat going? It can't leave the system they've poorly devised
You can easily calculate, using the circumference of say the Tropic of Cancer and the angular speed of the Sun, exactly how high a flat earth must be. From one side of the Tropic of Cancer, the FE sun, on the other side, could not be lower than about 26 degrees from the horizon. When moving between the Tropics, it would also have to change both its height and its size.
Magic? After all, the Sky Father who put this all in motion makes sure it works. It's that they're trying to scientifically explain such magic that makes it all really strange. I can handle the creationist flerfs better than the pseudo-scientific ones.
Ozien asked Kaleb why we haven't been cooked under the dome in their recent debate, and Kaleb put on his usual condescending tone and said "attentuation". Ozien continued to push him on it and Kaleb had nothing. He just kept saying that heat dissipates as if that explained it. Of course, to his physically illiterate target audience, that's all the answer they need. Kaleb and Whitistt are preaching to the very, very stupid and gullible and don't care that the rest of the world sees through them.
There is no mystery to 'Whitsit'. The guy realizes flat-earthers fall for his BS and his desire to celebrate himself and enjoy the celebration of others is greater than his desire to be honest. The selective regurgitation of information is an attempt to present himself as educated in a subject. Repeating information and understanding what one repeats are two different things. 'Whitsit' has found a niche where he can enjoy status and prestige while not legitimately doing the work in order to fulfill his craving to be perceived as 'special' or superior to others who have earned their accolades and can revel in the attention of others. He also very likely enjoys the feeling he gets from manipulating others. 'Whitsit' appears to express behaviors and traits associated with narcissism- cravings for attention, a belief he is 'special', arrogance and an over-estimation of, and over-confidence in, his abilities and capabilities among other things. This stuff appears to be very common in flat-earthers who create content and is much more than just having an opinion or a lack of education in the subject. He is certainly annoying and boring once you see through him and his BS.
Just invite them to a conference 50 feet over a cliff edge. Problem solved. 🤣 I've yet to encounter a flat erf hypothesis that adequately explains GPS, radio waves... hell, actual ocean waves.
@@verystripeyzebra Ehh... sometimes they have some interesting takes, I suppose it depends on the person. You're right of course, in the grand scheme of things, they're nonsensical bellends.
@@x8jason8x Their takes and theories though are like a fevered dream. By their own, they almost might make sense, with reasonably constructed arguments... like a dream about something fantastical. But as soon as a dusting of actual science is introduced, one gets jolted from that dreamy sick haze.
Classic flerfer argument 101 - mention something vague, like the earth 'moving' due to 'earth' quakes without further exploring the science behind it and instead just using the nomenclature in a devious way.
I absolutely love the new confident and slightly-triggered version of Dan lol! Great information and always on point and recently it feels that you've been covering everything with more depth which I really appreciate!! Keep stomping on them flat-heads :)
The young man almost, but doesn't quite get it: All motion is relative, motion is measured relative to some other thing. Edit: definitely a Master miner😊
Im convinced Witsit is just a globe con man. He is well aware of all debunking arguments, and knows very well how and when to dodge and use his word salad strategy, quote mining and putting things out context. This is just a game/challenge for him to defend something this stupid. For fame/attention and or money. But gaining from suseptable people is just evil and criminal if you ask me. Allot of harm is done by Witsit, and should not get a platform.
He absolutely is a conman. He learnt the grift from Nathan Thompson, who used to always start his debates by quoting the line about how, if an honestly mistaken man is shown the truth, he ceases to be either mistaken or honest. It was a handy quote, because Thompson had had his strawmen pointed out to him many, many times, yet he continued to push them. Same for Whitsitt.
Sci man Dan it’s me who sent you those voice notes 👌🏻 I sincerely hope you can find a way to let the world hear them. They need to see (even the flerfer community) need to see what a “man” santos bonacci really is. And his true nature. Despicable human being. Keep up the great work brother 👌🏻
LOL. At 4:15 as you start (correctly) describing we can't sense movement, only acceleration, I started hearing in my head the old Carole King song, "I feel the Earth move under my feet. I feel the sky tumbling down, tumbling down..."
@@PopeLando Ok, he may not be making 66.6 false claims, but if you add some number to the actual number of false claims, you definitely get 66.6! We can play that game too! 😊
The existence of centrifugal effects, the fact that you weigh less at the equator than at either pole and coriolis effects indicate both sphericity and rotation
SciManDan dunks on Witsit. I love it. What a quote mining fail..."Though the Earth is revolving around the Sun" is right there in the text. Witsit is such a slick talking conman.
@@davidkeller6156 Once you try to do anything over a couple of kilometres, the Earth ceases to be flat. Funny how flat earthers are never surveyors, build railways, sewerage works, roads etc. You can only pretend it's flat so long as you stay in your basement.
@@j.f.christ8421 I used to post a link to flat earthers to the Cal Tech website about the construction of the LIGO Observatory. It tells how they had to take into account earth curve when building the arms. They just ignored it. Don’t even try to refute it.
@@davidkeller6156 I used to survey roads for a rural council. Over 2km the curve is about 30cm or so (a foot in freedom units). When doing roads you're mainly interested in how much dirt you need to move around to make the road flat-ish, the less the better. The Earth's curve was taken into account but didn't matter much for short bits. For LIGO yeah, they'd notice. You can't quite build that with a plumb bob & square.
@@j.f.christ8421 Yeah, a plumb and a square wouldn’t work. The beam tube arms of LIGO are 4 km long and have a drop of over a meter. They used GPS-assisted earth moving and high precision concrete work to make them perfectly level.
@@jaymac7203I’ve never heard of a sniper adjusting for lateral displacement from coreolis. Long range artillery and warships, yes. If you have examples of human snipers doing this please share because that sounds extremely elite and impressive. As for gravity… well even basketball players factor in gravity.
Anyone who posts a quote as proof of anything is always wrong. This is called "appeal to authority" fallacy. That's why quotes are only used by people who don't understand anything at all, or who are trying to trick you into believing a lie.
Have these people been on those pretend rides in a room, where you are strapped into a roller-coaster type seat and then the room spins around you realistically? No matter how much you know it isn't, your brain tells you it is. Even as gravity, or whatever force they want to substitute this for, remains no different your senses tell you you are spinning back and forth, upside down, and you feel it.
Bingo. Our senses are designed to keep us alive and reproduce. They are terrible for determining the true nature of nature. Zero modern science relies on measurements of human sensation. We have unemotional, unbiased machines take measurements.
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The first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is you don't know you're a member.
😂
Exactly.... I'm way too clever to be in that club
Brilliant!
…or is it? :)
Yeee, they really abuse the phrase "I know nothing, therefore I know everything"
Remember kids, like bob said, a 15° drift.
Yes, while believing everyone else is a member.
A flat earther in an elevator, not feeling it move: "wow the whole floor just magically changed. Multistory buildings debunked."
I wonder if flatearthers believe thousands of graduates worldwide each year in physics, engineering, geology, architecture etc. are taken to a corner minutes before their graduation and told "all the calculations you've been doing in the last few years don't work, remove gravity from any maths formula and all be ok, oh! and don't tell anybody!"
Well that's how they all keep it a secret. Lol. Just don't tell anyone.
I can't remember that conversation, but I guess they have a memory erase function in their epic mind control machine.
The memory wipe is done at the end of the graduation when the man in black walks on stage and puts his shades on on and asks everyone to look at his pin that flashes. 😂
Honestly, I still think 99% of flat earthers are just trolls.
They're doing it for attention and "the lulz", and for the 1% that's dumb enough to fall for it and donate to them.
Blöd nur, das im nächstbesten Lehrbuch diese unsinnigen 9,81m/s² wieder auftauchen 🙂
The first time someone cherry picks or quote mines, their ENTIRE argument becomes dishonest and they can be disregarded.
Is it just me or flat earthers have this smugness about them: "you can't see", "you can't prove", "it's the default position", "basic logic" and the smirk on their faces... It's so hard to watch.
I think I'm finally starting to understand:
1: Fail school, or never go
2: See others succeeding
3: 'Beat' those people in arguments using florid language and word salad.
4: Tell yourself you're a smort boy after all
Witsit learned his debate tactics from Duane Gish.
It’s kind of sad, isn’t it? If they make up their own science, nobody can say they’re wrong
It's just a grift. Money source that's all. No one takes their word salad as intelligence.
@@bengsynthmusic for some, definitely. Some of them have to be true believers, otherwise who’s paying?
This is what I have been saying forever. These are people who, when in grade school, sneered and mocked those other students taking classes on biology, physiology and physics. They couldn't handle the course work back then so they restored their sense of self-esteem by pretending that those courses were of no value to their future selves and they were being smart by avoiding them. What they chose, in substitute, to focus on was (in their minds) obviously superior: sports, auto shop, video gaming, flipping burgers, etc. Then they grew into adults, and their teenage sense of mockery stopped working with mature peers, and their lack of education started to leave them behind. They found some niche in life and went about their business until they stumbled into this flat earth nonsense, where other adults welcome them into a community that embraces mockery of science. And now they can return to sneering and mockery again with the feedback from their peers that they are the smart ones after all, that they have devined the true nature of reality and, yes, all those kids back in the formative years of high school were the actual losers.
15.
Degrees.
Per hour.
Measured using a laser ring gyro on the Earth.
Because our senses are not good enough to detect it.
Thanks Bob.
Thanks Bob.
Thanks, Bob! RIP
Thanks Bob. Rest in peace
I was thinking about this all thru the presentation! RIP Bob
@@schizogabberthat's like saying RIP Hitler!
6:15 He says 66.6 because he is obsessed with its supposed religious significance and can weave it into his delusions better.
As if miles have some sort of cosmic significance to God. Their signs and portents only exist in the English language and imperial units 🙄
It's actually 1.162389 ...radians.
I wonder if he can prove that 666 is base 10 and not, say, base 12.
As far as I can tell, some degree of religious fundamentalism is almost a prerequisite
for flat-Earthers.
He's decided to measure the converse of the axial tilt, so 90.0-23.4 = 66.6.
And 66.6 is not even 666. If I owed him 666$ and gave him 66.6 bet he get mad.
Miss quoting, ignoring parts of a quote, and misunderstanding a quote are the bread and butter of flerfer thinking.
I sat in an airplane doing 600 miles per hour. The speed pushed me into the chair and I couldn't move or breathe. NOT! I had a great meal, that didn't fly in my face.
😂 I like how they never mention flying insects in a moving vehicle.
None of them understand that 1000 mph is not fast considering the actual size of the earth.
I tried to explain it to a flerfer using a basketball, could not get his head around it; "but the earth isn't a basketball".
These people genuinely hurt my head.
When I point out I few on an aircraft at 1400mph could not feel a thing.
When talking about feeling constant motion it's usually in regards to air resistance, rotational velocity means nothing to them because the linear velocity still exists, they think "Omg 1000mph why aren't things being blown off the earth?!?"
In the case of the earth's rotation the air moves with it thanks to the same force that keeps us on it, so there isn't going to be 1000 mph winds at the equator. Which they also disregard because they're less interested in facts than thinking they're special for having some kind of secret knowledge, real or not.
The size of the earth merely affects the forces..
The speed is unnoticeable because everything is going st that speed, if the atmosphere didn't spin you'd definitely notice a strong breeze.
@@verystripeyzebra We do notice strong breezes because of Earth's rotation (and atmospheric convection)
@@RideAcrossTheRiver that's not really as strong as the breezes I'm talking about.
Love it when these guys trust NASA only when it is convenient for them to do so
Get yourself a good VPN and also way cheaper, like Cyberghost
Ya gotta hypocrite to flerf.
@@ReValveiT_01 ‼️ *Danny boy you f'ed up 😅 come this way instantly & your horde of Zombieland 🧟♂️ Variants aka Globlins...* ‼️
@@ZombielandVariants I can use any desk globe and a tape measure to tell you any distance between any two points on earth and it will match reality, every time for every distance. Be a love and let me know which scaled flat world map I can use to achieve this same basic function. Ta muchly.
The fact they believe the 70% surface area being covered in water is a ratio of earth to water, of an entirely mapped planet. No ice wall, no dome, no firmament ever photographed. The 70% is still somehow unavoidable.
He actually thinks he can challenge Einstein intellectually, the Dunnig-Kruger is strong with this one 😂
Its like CC saying he's one of the smartest people on earth 😂
@@aligreenwood89 Maybe he is in one parallel universe... That is scary thought 😱
has anyone told them he's been dead for 70 years and there have been countless other physicists since then.
Also note:
1) At least one quote was from someone else while he showed Einstein's picture.
2) Some of the foundational quotes he mines are from the beginning of scientists' careers, and far enough back that he also ignores discoveries since those statements.
3) Oh yeah, partial quotations, aka quote mining.
Brian’s Logic has ‘disproved’ Newton 😂
I will say this every time...One rotation of earth, regardless of speed, takes 24 hours. One revolution around the sun, regardless of speed, takes 365 (ish) days. So, stand in place and do ONE rotation over the course of 24 hours. Would you noticeably feel the rotation? Would you feel yourself revolving around an object in your living room if you took 365 days to revolve all the way around it? No. Case closed. Aside from already being at speed with the earth itself, on the scale we are talking about...it's not really readily noticeable anyway.
I mentioned in another comment about flying insects in moving vehicles. Think that fly annoying the shit out of you knows he is actually moving 60mph instead of his normal flight speed?
The absolute dumbest thing flerfrs do is talk about earths rotation in measures of MPH, that's not how revolutions are measured. Do people think that the speedometer in their car measure the engines speed? Tell help any flerfer who may read this the MPH gauge in your car reads your relative speed along the ground. The other gauge that measures the engines rotational speed is called a tachometer, that's how humans measure rotational speed, it does not read MPH in any shape or form. The earth spins at .0006944 RPMs, that sounds pretty slow to me, like maybe you wouldn't even feel that.
I remember doing my underwater navigation for my scuba licence. It was particularly poor visibility that day. I had to swim in a square for about 20 meters. And every time I needed to turn 90 degrees I felt like my compass wasn't right. Up until the last 3 meters when I finally saw my instructor and realized the compass was wrong and my inherent sense of direction was so far off when you can't see anything around you.
I was talking to a flat earther and he said "the cavendish experiment has not been repeated EVER" and he dared me to send him even one example. I sent him 12 videos of people doing it.. He's not answering anymore :(
Maybe he's working on a reply but none of his mates will help
Probably not answering because he only wanted 1 example... Stop confusing me with facts, this mere proof will NOT sway my opinion...
Typical flerf, they will ignore everything that proves them wrong because it will destroy their delusions and therefore they will no longer feel smart and special..... They'll just ask others the same exact question who can't understand their nonsense questions.
@@foxbat1766Like Mark Sargent who demanded "a picture from a plane showing curvature".
MCToon sent him four. Blew his mind presumably. (As far I know, he hasn't responded.)
@@CD_Character
He is a fake grifter. Only in it to con people of money.
I was in the Marine Corps. I can tell you from personal experience that when we shoot long-range ballistics, we absolutely DO NOT assume the earth is stationary. If we did, we'd miss our targets.
"Why do we keep hitting 15% to the left, dammit?"
Coriolis
How close do the target need to be, not to account for rotations of the earth?
@@janhansen554it depends on the velocity of the round you are shooting also if you are shooting west/east
@@janhansen554 at the north/south pole.
I'd bet my house that he uses 66.6° for the tilt of the Earth rather than 23.4° just to shoehorn a 666 in there.
I didn't make the connection. Thanks👍👍
Sure he claims the 66.6 degree angle to fit a crude narrative.
But he uses mathemagics instead of mathematics.
The opposite angle of the 23.4° tilt of an perpendicular axis, rotating vertical on the solar orbit is 180° - 23.4° = 156.6°.
The equator is defined to be always in a 90° angle to earth axis, so that there will only four time a year an angle of 66.6° to this orbit.
We call this moments solstice and can calculate it exact down to a femtosecond.
Either he is to dumb to understand, or he understand. Then he lies.
He also intentionaly stopped after the first three digits. Otherwise he would have ended up with 66.56°, which doesn't sound as satanic.
@@42heizer He lies. Constantly.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but those distances weren't calculated using miles right? Or in any way that can be reasonably argued as they decided to say it is that distance because of what it looks like in miles.
“The Earth is flat.”
- Scimandan quote mined
“They think that The Earth is flat.”
- Scimandan quote in full
It’s so easy!
Not a flat earther, but he never really addressed the point witsit made. he just made him look ignorant and misrepresented his argument. I truly believe he thinks the earth is flat. The point is, Can’t Dan be honest and destroy him logically? Why not?
Obviously you have no clue what quote mining means😂
There was only 1 point being made. There is absolutely no proof we are moving. This clown NEVER addressed it, at all
@briancash1405 Look into the coriolis effect and foucault pendulums. Look at the path stars move along our night sky when observed at the poles.
@@b-1sauce525Dan is showing precisely why he doesn’t trust him, because he makes claims with no evidence and constantly cherry picks quotes that appear to support his argument while ignoring the parts that disprove him.
They got the 66.6 degree tilt because they took 90 and subtracted 23.4 from it in an effort to be extremely disingenuous
It's because most flerfs are also bible-loving young earth creationists, and they like associating their opponents with their mythical devil figure in an attempt to poison the well.
Gotta lie to flerf.
No one feels driving in a car at constant velocity unless you hit a brick wall. Its the sudden deceleration that kills.
Being pedantic,.... In combination with conservation of momentum.
Sadly due to the current state of the roads here. You always know that you are in a car bouncing up and down
@ianwilson4262 then an airplane at constant speed with no turbulence.
Impulse, change in momentum.
Potholes
Witsit should get a job on a fruit farm, because he's a expert in cherry-picking!
“Hold the light up higher Enrique…interesting. “
“A 15 degree per hour drift”
I want to see Whitzit include these quotes too
The "do you feel the Earth spinning" still makes me cringe inside after all these years. "Basic logic" would be to read a physics text book on forces on rotating bodies for starters.
What makes it even worse in this case if that they don't even need to read a physics book. They can't even do the "I don't understand it so it is not true" shit, or the "they" are just lying to you tactic. They can get in a goddamn train or even a car and prove themselves wrong.
Just answer "of course, don't you? "
@@terranceparsons5185 😅
@@terranceparsons5185"you can't feel it? You should try getting in touch with nature, my guy, after I awoke my third eye I was able to be in tune with the rotation of the earth" gotta out weird the weirdos
My wife said she can't feel it moving... Am I a flat earth? 😮
Before they would quote only the parts that fits their narrative but now they read the whole thing not realizing they're exposing their stupidity even more.
They have to quote mine. They can't understand when a sentence or paragraph has too many words in it.
They've realized it doesn't matter what it's saying, flerfs won't understand it fully.
@@dragoncubes1074 I can't count the number of times I've refuted a flerfing idiot's argument, and their only response is some variation of, "I'm not reading all of those words." So, yeah...not only do they fail to understand a sentence or paragraph with too many words, they will flat out refuse to read them.
And they don't even understand the quotes that they are mining. Einstein is saying all reference frames are valid. The spaceship moving at 0.5 c past an observer is the exact same as the observer moving past the spaceship at 0.5 c. Sure the earth can be stationary, but that means the entire universe is spinning around every 24 hours. And the sun is wobbling around in there, and all the planets are making little loops. It's all possible and equally valid, it just makes the math a LOT harder for no reason.
We treat the Earth as moving because it's the simplest way to deal with our observations. So yes, it's by convention and "philosophical," but any other way makes it WAY harder to get the exact same result.
Earth's rotation about its axis can be proven in a number of ways. Foucault's pendulum. Laser gyroscope (thanks Bob!). Or the fact that things weigh less at the equator than at the poles.
The telescopes rotation in astronomy. With the axis from north to south.
The gyrocompass.
The vertical coriolis effect in free fall experiments in mine shafts.
The torque from a rotating balance scale.
15 degrees per hour. Thanks Bob. 🙂
The Soviets used to have a fail-safe on their rockets where during launch if they leant over a bit too much (30 degrees?) they'd blow up. So one day they went to launch one, and nothing happen, it just sat on the pad. After a while they wandered over to take a look... anyway, "Thanks Bob!" is not what was said.
What r u saying
@@j.f.christ8421 - Earth turns, 15 degrees per hour. We can detect this now, using laser ring gyroscopes. 🙂
@@BladeValant546 Rocket had a gyroscope connected to its auto-destruct. Gyro was pointing straight up; as the Earth rotated (15 Bobs per hour) so from the gyros point of view it was still pointing straight up, but the rocket was leaning over 15 degrees. After another hour (or whatever) the gyro thought the rocket was leaning over just a bit too far and told the auto-destruct to do its thing.
@@mikeanderton4688 Don't need fancy lasers for that, mechanical ones work just fine as those former rocket scientist found out.
No physical experiment proved we're in motion... Except when the flat Earth guy used a ring laser gyro to prove a... 15° per hour drift. Thanks Bob!
So the dude thinks that earthquakes are for the entire planet? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Burden of proof means nothing to these guys.
Why be burdened with the burden of proof when you can just pass it on 😂
Sure it does, he just insists you have to disprove the flat earth with arguments he understands. So he never loses.
These idiots only have faith in their fictional religous texts.
@@mindblown42069 "Double it and give it to the next person."
They also don't understand probability, scale, gravity...
Do you experience the Earth moving? Yes! Every day we see the sun and the stars move in the sky, all because the Earth is moving!
And we can see the moon moving, from west to east
Yeah but you can stack rocks. That can't be right.
@@ReinoGooTwo steps forward because earth, half a step backwards because of the moon.
Love watching the moon and Jupiter approach each other ever 2 weeks. They are probably "touching" today.
@@KingIsulgard Exactly! Assuming a smooth surface/no turbulence, we can also stack rocks in a car, train or even a plane. I guess those aren't moving either! 🤣
@@ErfedweAnyone who thinks "we can stack rocks" is a good argument for flat earth can "pound sand" !
That "Motion of Barnard's star" at the end even hit me like "BAAAAMM!" at the end there!
Done and dusted! Cheers Dan.
If we could “feel” the earth in constant motion, what purpose would that serve our species? Our brains would quickly learn to ignore then constant input because it provides no value.
The pass-phrase for the Dunning-Kruger Club is "Do your own research".
It's a strange club though. Only non-members can give out memberships !
Snipers, atillery men, naval gunners, and more all have to account for the coriolis effect. Which is how much the Earth will rotate while the round you fired is in the air, so you have to compensate and aim slightly off of your target, or you will miss.
I do long range shooting and this is way overstated. The other two definitely have to take curvature into account though.
@@psycomutt long range as in how far? Over a course of a hundred km for long range artillery the deflection can be a decent amount (metres). Over a long range sniper engagement (1000m) you can get a couple of inches of deflection depending on the direction you are shooting - it can be enough to miss a shot over these ranges.
@@charlehpockPyscomutt is right, snipers don't take the earth's rotation into account.
@@MattyEngland They do - it's one of the key things to take into consideration. Not as much as wind or distance but the *direction* of the shot relative to the rotation of the Earth can make a noticeable distance and with often only one shot possible, not wanting to miss is very important. If all you do is shoot on the same range then you won't need to take the Earth's rotation into account past the first shot; but then if you were to reverse and shoot from the target back you would have to adjust for this.
@@MattyEngland There are snipers and there are SNIPERS.
Ultra long range snipers do take it into account. Many of the fancy sniper scopes available today (at very high amounts of cash) do it for them.
Normal snipers generally are engaging at ranges too short (up to 1000') for it to matter significantly - the coriolis effect is often swamped by the snipers own manual accuracy.
The manuals they use generally ignore it.
But push the range to 2000' or more it matters to those with very specialized equipment, and failure to account for it could result in a complete miss. The marine sniper manual covers it.
He is only trying to put the sign of the devil (666) into all calculations. He throws all legitimacy out the window with that BS.
There's a video from a train in China, where it goes 100+ km/h and the coin stands up. Must mean train is not moving.
3:25-3:26 "...is that the Earth is in motion."
3:39-3:41 "Do you ever experience that the Earth is moving? Of course..."
10:31-10:33 "We're flying through space, you just can't tell."
-Witsit Gets It, 2024
I joined flat earth friends on Facebook, I can see why you do this now, I wish I'd done it sooner, I mean, I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but I feel super intelligent being among the Flerfs and it's so much fun, they really will not give an inch, im loving it.
They always sound and project so much confidence!
How do you know when you commented 2 minutes after the video was posted? 🤔
But still, you are correct 😉
While chanting Verbal Diarrhoea,
*arrogance
Ignorance and confidence are a deadly combination 😭 lol
I like how he has all the answers and knows everything from the confines of that dark stuffy room. You're doing it wrong NASA, JAXA, ESA, and everyone else, this guy knows everything from his flerfer dungeon.
Bob from globe busters with his laser gyroscope experiment proved the earth rotates. Thanks Bob.
Yeah, even if it were flat, that would prove it's a rotating disc. (Which disproves an infinite disc, at least.)
@@GamesFromSpacemaybe it’s an infinite spinning disc. the g’s you’d be pulling the further out would be immense though, maybe they’re just really strong out there
I inadvertently did this back in the early 1990s. We were evaluating an optical gyroscope for possible use in a proposal; I hooked it up, got readings, and even though it was sitting on a lab table it reported motion. Did a bit of math and found it was reporting the correct angular velocity for our latitude.
@@valkree5081 It can't be infinite what with the speed of light being finite. And the wind would be kinda bonkers, all the air here would be sucked out.
@@GamesFromSpace True, HOWEVER, it only works out to exactly 15 degrees per hour (in one axis) if you're on the equator. Bob was not on the equator.
Another video clip from Bob (I think shown by Scimandan) showed more detail. Bob explained that device showed rotation in more than one axis, the *NET* rotation was 15 degrees per hour..
Bob showed great puzzlement and held up his hand up and said "this is what this movement would look like" and moved his hand in a sort of curling rotating motion. Little realizing that if he put his hand on globe centered on where he did the experiment, his hand would perform the exact same motion.
Oops.
Exactly as one would expect if the device's sensor axes (there are of course three) was not held in alignment to the earth axis - eg: he was somewhat north of the equator and the axes of the device were aligned to local level and perpendicular ;-).
Thus, Bob proved the earth was a globe *too*.
When you get in your car, or any other enclosed conveyance, and a fly has decided to accompany you; it is exposed to the same atmosphere, motion and other variables you are. As you travel along a high speed road the fly has no trouble flying around in that car. It is not thrown to the rear of the car under acceleration nor to the front during deceleration. It is enclosed in an atmosphere in a moving vehicle subject to inertia. Due to its size relative to its surroundings, the fly experiences minimal disturbance while in the moving car. We are like the fly. We’re on the moving earth in an enclosed atmosphere and we don’t feel that motion.
I went up the space needle in Seattle, Washington, USA. There is a restaurant at the top. It turns at aprox. once per hour. ---> I did not feel it moving. Hmmmm... Since not feeling it move is proof that it is not moving then clearly what is going on is some great "they" are periodically re-arranging Seattle for my dining pleasure. --- that has to be it. Don't argue ....That is it.
He shows Earth spinning in the wrong direction. That shows he knows bullocks.
Don't you just love how flat Earther's think they're untouchable, when they're actually been trampled underfoot?
They're just numb to it now.
That's what makes them flattards.
It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so easy, there are certain questions they refuse to give a straight answer to because they know an answer would destroy their case
They're just clueless and walk off when they think they've delivered the knockout blow. They don't get to see the utter disdain reflected back at them.
@@grahvis Flatearthers are perfectly aware that there are questions they can't answer and they run away from them, so they must somehow understand, deep down, that flat earth is BS. IMO, why some people adhere to flat Earth is above all a question of psychology.
What about when you are on a train doing 100 mph, and you stand still. Are you moving? Oooooooo
10:10 He's talking about a "stationary Earth" whilst showing an image in the background of the skies whizzing past above the ground, because we're turning underneath them. When you're in a train, you can see the landscape whizz by for the same reason - because the train is in motion.
No, no, no, the countryside is CGI
At night, it is very easy to lose a sense of speed when you cannot see any landscape through the train windows.
No, no. Flat earthers think God moves the landscape for them while they are sitting in a stationary train
"I have a PhD in Physics!" - said no Flat Eather EVER!
Flerfs are having a self-given PhD...
In Denialism...
Also essentially almost everyone with a PhD in physics, applied mathematics or engineering (including myself) must be part of the conspiracy, because all of those people use the same models of gravity (Newtonian and/or Einstein's general theory of relativity, depending on the context).
All flerfs have a PhD.
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Flerfs pulling assumptions out of NASA documents, while simultaneously saying NASA always lies, always makes me laugh.
And of course the assumptions are specified because they are known to be wrong, but result in acceptable error in the circumstances in which they were being used. If they weren't known to be wrong there would be no reason to point them out.
Flerf's like using "66.6" because they can magically make a connection to their fictional devil
If there is no optical experiment, that can detect a motion of the earth, why does a laser gyroscope pick up a 15° per hour drift?
"Heavenly energies"
Thanks Bob.
Have two planes take off from somewhere on the equator, but in difference directions. One travelling with the Earths spin, one against One will get there quicker.
A ring laser gryo does the same thing, but with lasers ('cos lasers are cool). Fire two lasers in opposite directions around a loop, see which one arrives first. The Earth's rotation will cause a very slight mismatch in speeds that can be detected.
(It actually detects the mismatch between the two beams, if they arrived at the same time their phase would match, how far out of phase indicates how fast it's rotating. The "out of phase" is how most laser measuring stuff works; from radar guns to those measuring things to LIGO.)
probably because the quote was mined from 1920 before we had laser gyroscopes.
Because that quote comes from a speech Einstein gave in Tokyo and he was specifically talking about the motion of the earth with respect to the aether. In context, it reads: "Then I myself wanted to verify the flow of the ether with respect to the Earth, in other words, the motion of the Earth. ... While I was thinking of this problem in my student years, I came to know the strange result of Michelson's experiment. Soon I came to the conclusion that our idea about the motion of the Earth with respect to the ether is incorrect, if we admit Michelson's null result as a fact. This was the first path that led me to the special theory of relativity. Since then, I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment, though the Earth is revolving around the Sun."
Einstein was referring to linear (straight-line) motion. It's part and parcel of the idea is that there is no such thing as a fixed place in space, and as such there's no way to measure your speed or direction relative to it. It's always relative to what you've chosen as your "zero reference". Which has no fixed location either.
Meanwhile, rotation is not linear. Zero rotation is not relative to a specific point, it's relative to *ITSELF*. Acceleration may be linear, but at LEAST the reference is itself.
As such, the Sagnac effect (eg: ring laser gyros) allows you to determine rotation using optical methods without a fixed external reference point.
There are also mechanical methods for both rotation and acceleration. But not for linear non-accelerating motion.
Flat Earthers have never felt the Earth move because they're all virgins.
Hasn't he ever heard the Carole King song?
Unfortunately not, as some have documented their abuse of their children.
Bob forbid they ever feel the sky tumbling down.
I love bringing up the LIVE STREAM of the International Space station and showing how the clouds, hurricanes, and weather depicts exactly what is going on in radar forecast.
Fingers in ears screaming CGI CGI GCI...
Those that sit at the peak of Mt. Dunning Kruger will be the first to tell you the view is spectacular.
He loves saying 666, not hard to guess why.. "globers are satanic!" 😄
Austin, also known as “WitsitGetsIt,” is quite a unique person. Despite his reserved nature in public, it has been revealed in a recent debate that he is indeed a believer but he never really talks about it during a debate. Plus, he holds views against same-sex relationships, if you see what I mean because _"the Bible says so."_ last point: he has never traveled beyond the U.S. borders, which could account for his limited understanding of the world, but watch videos on TH-cam as a 'scientific reference' (herm!) ... I guess.
@@NetTubeUser I think I saw enough. His arrogance, cherry picking and confidence in the poop he says annoyed me to no end...
@@einienj3281Oh, I see what you mean for sure! He also presents supposed 'facts' that often lack coherence because he misinterprets scientific data or is not totally accurate (I would say 50% not accurate 90% of the time), and not in a way that aligns with the consensus of the scientific community. He also refers to outdated scientific papers that have been dismissed or not approved, yet he argues (with tons of words, as always) something like, _"Well It’s a scientific study and article (or paper). So, there you go! Also, you should read it because you should learn sometimes."_
he's just a fanboi of iron maiden and the film the omen.
any fuel knows 616 is the number of the beast.
@@NetTubeUser Yup. His 50% correct data + 50% dishonesty due to bias =100% BS.
It's amazing how easily people can cherry pick quotes to distort the original message and take anything out of context.
Soomeone should do that to Wotsit Dipshit.
So you're saying amazing people pick take-out.
@@RealBLAlley Or... I could be saying I am amazed anyone picks take-out food. Everyone should learn how to cook at home. It's a great hobby and who wants a stranger making your food anyway?
Amazing context!
Somebody should set up a take-out restaurant and call it "Context".
Then customers would get take-out from Context.@@RealBLAlley
If only we all had the utterly limitless confidence of a flat eather on youtube.
He wants it to be 66.6 degrees to prove we are all devils.
Thank you for dealing with the core of the Theory of Relativity, namely whether motion is absolute or relative!
I love how this guy starts off saying "if we remove any kind of indepth investigation, then what I'm saying makes sense"
How can flerths hear that and not think he's deliberately excluding ALL the evidence against him
I worked with a map-denier (yah, that's a thing) who couldn't understand how we can cross the country in a car in a few days but 'back in the day' the horse-drawn wagons took months....oh, and I wasn't allowed to cite Miles Per Hour.
So yah, the flerfers explanations stand as long as we're not allowed to use real science.
@@kelliepatrick519because... cars are faster??? and roads are straighter???
666 reasons why he's wrong
1. Globe earth is established fact.
2. The Bible was written by man.
@@mikebronicki8264and despite that, even the Bible says the earth is a spinning ball in a vacuum, if you look up their favorite verses in the original language it was written in. It's the English translation that changes it to be a circle with a firmament that they take to mean a dome.
@@giin97 it really doesn't. the bible uses different words and is extremly vauge. it's just ancient jewish fairytales.
@@mouhaahaahaaBased. This guy gets it.
@@mouhaahaahaa Most of the stories in the bible predate the Judaic faith.
Those guys never fly planes or travel in a train?
For the 1000th time, you can't feel speed, you can feel acceleration!
Besides you're on a playground or Rollercoaster and make turn...
Talking about trains:
One thing I want without to explain is how is it possible to walk the length of a speeding train ?
@@stevenjohnson4190 That's a good point, why they don't explain this? They explain never how a flat earth is working...
@@stevenjohnson4190 we all know that no one really uses trains nor planes, it's hoax sponsored by nasa where they use human-like androids that whit ELECTROMAGNETIC force stich to train/plane walls to not fly away from such force
Love your videos sci-man dan, I treat them as comedy because you're so good at debunking these flerfers it gives me a good chuckle. To any flerfers who might read this, I challenge you to go outside at night and find a constellation to the east which is just above your neighbours roof line. Then go outside an hour later and see where the same constellation is. What?! It moved? Wonder why that is. It's the reason astronomers and astrophotographers buy expensive mounts to track this movement - to counter the rotation of the earth. As an owner of a manual 8" dobsonian telescope I can also tell you the earth's rotation is a pain 🤣
There are flat earthers that are stupid and dishonest. This guys is something else. Never have I seen a someone so blatantly twist facts and quotes like he has. As someone that spent 4 years studying astrophysics and worked extremely hard to get a first class masters degree in it, this genuinely boils my blood when guys like this are allowed to spew to an audience. Thank you Dan for exposing him for the fraud he is 👍🏻
O the irony!!
Did I understand that correctly? Earthquakes are, according to this, due to Earth shifting its supposed stationary position? Then how come they aren't felt everywhere at the same time and of the same magnitude? How and why would the alleged centre of the Universe shift? What a strange suggestion.
Exactly what I thought too.
Actually, the Sun & Moon cause earthquakes. See the Sun causes a hot spot (Earth expands) and the cold light from the Moon produces a cold spot (Earth shrinks) so when the Sun & Moon are in the right positions that expanding & shrinking combine to cause an earthquake.
Let's see SciManDan debunk that one! (Hmm, that's a better theory than the flerfs have come up with, I should start my own channel.)
Oh, you are trying to make sense of what he said? Happy headache.
The only thing he has on his side is that the words he uses are in the dictionary and that his sentences are grammatically correct.
I can do the same “Drink Ikea, the only cheese that tells you the time to the nearest meter.”
Entertainment level at your discretion, sense level zero.
@@maximinix Actually, I believe that you and I are expressing the same thing slightly differently.
You can tell you're riding in a car because you're watching the scenery pass by as you travel down the road, close your eyes and all sensation of movement stops (except for sound that is), and you can imagine you're at home sitting in your easy chair. Flerfs always take things at face value and never delve into the truth or falsity of their claims, that's why quote mining is so effective, they know that 99.9999999% of their followers are going to just believe it and not check it out for themselves.
Yep. The key words in your comment are "followers" and "believe."
I'd like to know what roads you drive on where you're not bumping up and down on every pothole and side to side on every turn
You can only feel FORCE (through acceleration, F=m*a), not SPEED (no acceleration, distance/time). Jumping in an steady flight aircraft or straight train at constant speed doesn't slam you into the wall. Just looking at the clouds should be enough to see that the atmosphere wind is relative to earth rotation and miniscule compared to what a standstill atmosphere would look like. Without going into mathematical details or actual physics, this is preschool/kindergarden level stuff to get an intuitive feeling of. And they know it, so this is just bad faith nonsense on their part.
@@Truth_Apologetics You've got your eyes closed imagining you're somewhere else, you have no sense of movement, then you scream at the driver *_STOP SHAKING MY CHAIR DAMNIT!_* 😁
I prefer to keep my eyes open whilst driving.
I loved the - no evidence claim - thanks Bob.
We cannot verify that the earth is moving just by looking at the earth. However, if we look at anything beyond the earth, ie stars, sun etc we can for sure see that the earth is moving.
It's easier to assume that we are spinning, rather than all the objects in space travelling around us at speeds whereby they accurately maintain their positions in relation to each other.
I wonder how fast must travel the furthest star to complete the circle around Earth in 24 hours.
~2.5 billion lightyears/h? :D
Witsit is a chronic liar.
He's a chronic moron.
You can't flerf without lying!
it is amazing how these clowns like to throw in big numbers to overwhelm people, when those numbers aren't nearly as impressive as they think it is.
So when they talk about the Earth rotating at 1000 miles an hour, yet overlook the size of the Earth, or they use the speed of Earth's orbit. Yet, they overlook the size of that orbit, or how fast our solar system is orbiting the galactic center, yet fail to realize that the Galaxy is massive.
When they use the speed of the respective orbits and fail to add in the scale, that isn't just cherry-picking, it is intellectual dishonesty of the highest order.
You must have intellectual dishonesty when you don't have a flat earth, and all evidences are against you.
They do so while ignoring that everything else is also moving as if they think as soon as something stops touching the floor it should rocket off in some direction. You see that all over this, the ground is moving X yet nothing above it seems to move, the earth is doing this huge speed in space yet I can't see the north star move yet the constellations change over the course of the year, We are moving this huge speed in the galaxy while pretending that the rest of the star are still.
They also like that is can't be detected, it can but they just pretend those things don't happen because they found things they can misquote to make them sound correct.
Not understanding scale is one of the most important things in flerfdom.
@@stobe187 Scale isn’t even half the problem. They say things and never do the math to back themselves up. They rattle off their large numbers because they know it sounds impressive then leave everything else to be implied from that. The spin is fast it should throw everything off, the orbit is faster so the air should get left behind.
But when you actually work out the accelerations and forces involved, you find, because of the scale of things, that it’s tiny compared to the examples they put in their memes.
They're telling us about their target audience. This is the scale where numbers lose meaning to the people they're lying to.
Years ago, in debating club, I learned how important it is to check the context of quotes. This entire video serves as a reminder of how important that is. In the case of Flat Earthers, it should be standard procedure to check every single quote for words left out, cut-outs and cut-offs, and just plain making it up.
One should also check every experiment they mention to see what the intent was and what the results actually are. They are constantly misrepresenting Michelson-Morley for example.
There are very few examples better than Flat Earthing of all the wrong ways to prove a point. (But that's just it: If they used the right processes and procedures, they'd end up proving themselves wrong.)
Sooooo.... According to Whitsit, when I take my metal pen between my thumb and pointer finger, and bounce it up and down quickly.....holy crap!!! Metal is bendy like rubber!?! I saw it, so it must be so. According to Whitsit, our senses rule supreme and can never be incorrect.
It's kind of nice to watch somebody expound their belief in an alternate reality when said belief only hurts themselves.
#GottaLieToFlerf
Witsit, like the other large FE channels, is only in it for the money
I don't think it always only hurts themselves. They must have convinced some people that flat earth is true. If you can believe something as insanely unscientific as flat earth, what other moronic arguments can you believe?
And if you can just go so fiercely against the evidence you could end up being the people who are the cause of measles increasing in the US, or that we shouldn't maybe think about taking care of the environment, or that the AIDS pandemic in Sub-Saharan Africa could be vastly improved if everyone used condoms.
They say "trust your eyes" but flat earthers "don't believe what they see". I have a chuckle when any one of them speaks.
Someone needs to do the math on how bright the sun would be and how easily visible its light would be at night on the other side of the flat earth. A sphere that bright, and that hot would likely be far brighter than the moon and regardless of how far away it is on a flat earth you should be able to see it since they think it's 3000 miles up in the sky or something. Also heat calculations, the whole "the sun shifts between the tropics making the seasons change" is hilarious. Why does the heat from the sun stop so short on a flat earth? Why hasn't the sun cooked is to death if we're in a closed system under an impenetrable dome? Where is the heat going? It can't leave the system they've poorly devised
You can easily calculate, using the circumference of say the Tropic of Cancer and the angular speed of the Sun, exactly how high a flat earth must be.
From one side of the Tropic of Cancer, the FE sun, on the other side, could not be lower than about 26 degrees from the horizon.
When moving between the Tropics, it would also have to change both its height and its size.
Magic? After all, the Sky Father who put this all in motion makes sure it works. It's that they're trying to scientifically explain such magic that makes it all really strange. I can handle the creationist flerfs better than the pseudo-scientific ones.
Ozien asked Kaleb why we haven't been cooked under the dome in their recent debate, and Kaleb put on his usual condescending tone and said "attentuation". Ozien continued to push him on it and Kaleb had nothing. He just kept saying that heat dissipates as if that explained it. Of course, to his physically illiterate target audience, that's all the answer they need. Kaleb and Whitistt are preaching to the very, very stupid and gullible and don't care that the rest of the world sees through them.
There is no mystery to 'Whitsit'.
The guy realizes flat-earthers fall for his BS and his desire to celebrate himself and enjoy the celebration of others is greater than his desire to be honest.
The selective regurgitation of information is an attempt to present himself as educated in a subject. Repeating information and understanding what one repeats are two different things.
'Whitsit' has found a niche where he can enjoy status and prestige while not legitimately doing the work in order to fulfill his craving to be perceived as 'special' or superior to others who have earned their accolades and can revel in the attention of others. He also very likely enjoys the feeling he gets from manipulating others.
'Whitsit' appears to express behaviors and traits associated with narcissism- cravings for attention, a belief he is 'special', arrogance and an over-estimation of, and over-confidence in, his abilities and capabilities among other things. This stuff appears to be very common in flat-earthers who create content and is much more than just having an opinion or a lack of education in the subject.
He is certainly annoying and boring once you see through him and his BS.
I was waiting for the 15 degree per hour clip then I remembered it's your respect for Bob. Classiness doesn't come free!
Just invite them to a conference 50 feet over a cliff edge. Problem solved. 🤣
I've yet to encounter a flat erf hypothesis that adequately explains GPS, radio waves... hell, actual ocean waves.
They don't adequately explain anything, not even flat earth.
@@verystripeyzebra Ehh... sometimes they have some interesting takes, I suppose it depends on the person. You're right of course, in the grand scheme of things, they're nonsensical bellends.
@@x8jason8x Their takes and theories though are like a fevered dream. By their own, they almost might make sense, with reasonably constructed arguments... like a dream about something fantastical. But as soon as a dusting of actual science is introduced, one gets jolted from that dreamy sick haze.
Since he brings up earthquakes, I’d be curious if he could explain why they happen.
Or why they propagate past Antarctica.
Classic flerfer argument 101 - mention something vague, like the earth 'moving' due to 'earth' quakes without further exploring the science behind it and instead just using the nomenclature in a devious way.
Its the turtles dummy ;)
I live in Cyprus and every time we have an earthquake we blame Poseidon, lol
@@Axel_Andersen You mean Turtle, The Great A'Tuin, the one with four elephants on its back?
I absolutely love the new confident and slightly-triggered version of Dan lol! Great information and always on point and recently it feels that you've been covering everything with more depth which I really appreciate!! Keep stomping on them flat-heads :)
I now medically need a bag of Wotsits after hearing Witsit's name so often. I know, not relevant...but true.
Thanks Dan! My BS Flerf Bingo Card is nearly full! Dear Oh Dear 🙄🙄🙄🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
The young man almost, but doesn't quite get it: All motion is relative, motion is measured relative to some other thing.
Edit: definitely a Master miner😊
Im convinced Witsit is just a globe con man. He is well aware of all debunking arguments, and knows very well how and when to dodge and use his word salad strategy, quote mining and putting things out context. This is just a game/challenge for him to defend something this stupid. For fame/attention and or money. But gaining from suseptable people is just evil and criminal if you ask me. Allot of harm is done by Witsit, and should not get a platform.
Bob the Science Guy makes the point that there are two types of flat earthers, those who sell merchandise and those who buy it.
He absolutely is a conman. He learnt the grift from Nathan Thompson, who used to always start his debates by quoting the line about how, if an honestly mistaken man is shown the truth, he ceases to be either mistaken or honest. It was a handy quote, because Thompson had had his strawmen pointed out to him many, many times, yet he continued to push them. Same for Whitsitt.
If snake oil were a person.
Sci man Dan it’s me who sent you those voice notes 👌🏻 I sincerely hope you can find a way to let the world hear them. They need to see (even the flerfer community) need to see what a “man” santos bonacci really is. And his true nature. Despicable human being. Keep up the great work brother 👌🏻
LOL. At 4:15 as you start (correctly) describing we can't sense movement, only acceleration, I started hearing in my head the old Carole King song, "I feel the Earth move under my feet. I feel the sky tumbling down, tumbling down..."
Witset does get it. He gets that if he says the right words in the right order, stupid people will give him money.
Yep, there's a sucker born every minute that will fall into the trap set by conmen.
Witsit is making 66.6 false claims per debate! 😂
66.6 is his iq 😭 lol
I didn't get the 666 reference until I saw these posts. That's why he says 66.6° instead of 23.4°.
@@jaymac7203 try 6.66
@@PopeLando Ok, he may not be making 66.6 false claims, but if you add some number to the actual number of false claims, you definitely get 66.6! We can play that game too! 😊
I understand the views atop Mount Dunning-Kruger are truly spectacular(ly stupid and grossly misinformed)
Witsit needs an extension on the DK chart.
The existence of centrifugal effects, the fact that you weigh less at the equator than at either pole and coriolis effects indicate both sphericity and rotation
... and by "centrifugal effects," do you mean anything *_other_* than the "Coriolis effect" (singular) you also mentioned? o.O
@@irrelevant_noob coriolis, eotvos, the precession of the pendulum, the bulge and the flattening- the entire oblate thing.
SciManDan dunks on Witsit. I love it. What a quote mining fail..."Though the Earth is revolving around the Sun" is right there in the text. Witsit is such a slick talking conman.
He does realise long range artillery has to factor in the Earth’s rotation?
And earth’s curve.
@@davidkeller6156 Once you try to do anything over a couple of kilometres, the Earth ceases to be flat. Funny how flat earthers are never surveyors, build railways, sewerage works, roads etc. You can only pretend it's flat so long as you stay in your basement.
@@j.f.christ8421 I used to post a link to flat earthers to the Cal Tech website about the construction of the LIGO Observatory. It tells how they had to take into account earth curve when building the arms. They just ignored it. Don’t even try to refute it.
@@davidkeller6156 I used to survey roads for a rural council. Over 2km the curve is about 30cm or so (a foot in freedom units). When doing roads you're mainly interested in how much dirt you need to move around to make the road flat-ish, the less the better. The Earth's curve was taken into account but didn't matter much for short bits.
For LIGO yeah, they'd notice. You can't quite build that with a plumb bob & square.
@@j.f.christ8421 Yeah, a plumb and a square wouldn’t work. The beam tube arms of LIGO are 4 km long and have a drop of over a meter. They used GPS-assisted earth moving and high precision concrete work to make them perfectly level.
This is why flat earthers don't get to be snipers Coriolis effect and gravity ruin their chances
They always inexplicably miss laterally 🤔 lol
@@jaymac7203I’ve never heard of a sniper adjusting for lateral displacement from coreolis. Long range artillery and warships, yes. If you have examples of human snipers doing this please share because that sounds extremely elite and impressive.
As for gravity… well even basketball players factor in gravity.
Carole king. She felt the Earth move.
Under her feet.
SOMEONE had to say it!😆
I recently went on a cruise. The seas were very calm and almost the whole time I couldn't feel the ship moving
Anyone who posts a quote as proof of anything is always wrong. This is called "appeal to authority" fallacy.
That's why quotes are only used by people who don't understand anything at all, or who are trying to trick you into believing a lie.
Have these people been on those pretend rides in a room, where you are strapped into a roller-coaster type seat and then the room spins around you realistically?
No matter how much you know it isn't, your brain tells you it is. Even as gravity, or whatever force they want to substitute this for, remains no different your senses tell you you are spinning back and forth, upside down, and you feel it.
Bingo.
Our senses are designed to keep us alive and reproduce. They are terrible for determining the true nature of nature.
Zero modern science relies on measurements of human sensation. We have unemotional, unbiased machines take measurements.
Same with VR, we can "feel" movement that isn't actually involving any change in direction or velocity. Hardly a great scientific detection system.