Why You Might Be Farming the WRONG Way for Artifacts | Genshin Impact

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  • Why you might just be farming the wrong way for artifacts, or at least with a skewed mentality. Many see the RNG as an insurmountable wall but is it really that difficult to get a serviceable artifact? We don't need perfect after all...far from it.
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  • @TisNotFlakey
    @TisNotFlakey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1279

    All of my DPS characters have really good crit ratios but only one has 2000+ ATK, and that character has a 5 star weapon. It's pain, ATK hates me.

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      Sadly sometimes it just be like that, luckily things like NO can help carry the weight a bit

    • @ebastian1917
      @ebastian1917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      You can easily increase atk using supports

    • @GhostEmblem
      @GhostEmblem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Same I have only 3 chars 2k+ atk 1 has 5 star weapon and the other 2 have blackcliff weapons.

    • @Vizible21
      @Vizible21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@ebastian1917 yeah atk is the easiest stat to buff in Genshin so i don't really understand what the op wants. And most characters doesn't even scale with atk.

    • @rushi4358
      @rushi4358 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Me who has 2k atk on almost every charater cuz atl loves me too much

  • @yp_ross1850
    @yp_ross1850 2 ปีที่แล้ว +879

    When the artifact strongbox first came out almost all of the content creators said it was a waste of artifacts exp so I was very hesitant to try it out and now here I am with my best circlet ever (crit rate with 36% crdmg) from the strongbox
    I just want them to add more artifacts to the strongbox so I don't have to farm the hell that is blizzards and crimson domains

    • @Just_Skyla
      @Just_Skyla 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Ok that is an insane circlet tho

    • @midwestairway
      @midwestairway 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      some of my best pieces are from the box, most content creators are echo chambers and a play it safe type.

    • @rikisanity6045
      @rikisanity6045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Blizzards is not hard to farm if you have a cracked raiden national team

    • @isabelpina8288
      @isabelpina8288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Both xingqiu and bennett have noblesse from the strongbox and bennett's crit rate circlet has 33% ER 💀
      And xingqiu has many pieces with +20 crit dmg lmao

    • @brandondo9778
      @brandondo9778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The strong box is actually a great option once you're in the late game and have tones of 5 star artifacts piling up and no good artifacts to enhance. It lets you get useful artifacts such as nobless without having to waste extra resin by getting bloodstained pieces.

  • @zendao7967
    @zendao7967 2 ปีที่แล้ว +739

    The social media analogy really hits close to home. Though, my opinion about artifacts still stands. It may not be the worst RNG out there, but it's pretty close to the bottom, and definitely needs improvements.

    • @evertonflores8670
      @evertonflores8670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      For me its not the rng, its the resin, you get like 4 tries every day and that's it, i wish we could make more condensed, because login on every day to do 4 domaind runs to just get trash, just kill my vibe to play the game

    • @2wr633
      @2wr633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@evertonflores8670 well it still ended up being the rng that throw you off
      resin problem is actually pretty hard to fix meanwhile just reduce the amount of rng involve in getting the stats you want or give more chance like more artifacts per run or rerollable sub stats instead of getting an entire new one

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      I'm content with the RNG as it stands, as I said at the end I'd like some control/agency over the end result but I'd rather it be something that's truly hard to grind for that makes it worth it and like you've actually earned and crafted a great piece. Think Parametric Transformer with needing lots of mob drops, something farmable in-game that would really take some time.

    • @axyorifelheim3811
      @axyorifelheim3811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I find that Honkai Impact 3rd has a way worse system while also being competitive, where you need to pull in order to get the equivalent of artifacts. On the other hand, in GI, you just need to use resin and you don't even need good artifacts to 36* the abyss depending on your knowledge + "skill". In any case, I prefer having this kind of system than having to farm for 5 hours everyday to hope dropping 1 piece of gear since I don't have a lot of time to play. Even worse, having to buy packs and spending 1K+ euros per artifact to upgrade it just like in Maplestory. In overall, artifacts isn't the core issue in GI, it's the lack of late game content imo, the artifact grind is fine as it is, even if it could be better like everything.

    • @aggaviriyo790
      @aggaviriyo790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Ratheil they just need to provide us more chance to grind for them by making the resin generate faster
      grinding artifact is hard because it's rng on top of rng on top of rng on top of rng

  • @agentEE233
    @agentEE233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +278

    Just want to share a story. So I was playing my friend's acc and I got a anemo dmg vv goblet with cr. It was good until my friend raised it and got it to I think 40+ cv, at that point it was godly. Then maybe an hour later I was playing another friend's acc and got a cd circlet with cr substat. I'm still wondering why I can guide others to a treasure I cannot possess

    • @Sam-qe2nr
      @Sam-qe2nr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Literally same, I can't get a 30cv emblem on my main account even tho I tried for 8 months, I logged onto a friend's acc and just rolled a 40 cv one out of my ass. Afterwards onto the next account, I rolled an on set hydro goblet for 35+ cv.

    • @Pixelat1on
      @Pixelat1on 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      why am I actually forgetting wth cv stands for-

    • @agentEE233
      @agentEE233 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pixelat1on crit value

    • @celestia277
      @celestia277 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pixelat1on crit value

    • @axvd2105
      @axvd2105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pixelat1on cv = crit value, 2xcrit rate + crit damage

  • @OC_
    @OC_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    My Itto only has 2 on set husk pieces, the flower and feather. Everything else is random. His crit ratio is 70:160 which is great to me, just wish he had a full set.

    • @angelofrancise.caalim5975
      @angelofrancise.caalim5975 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Literally me

    • @isabelpina8288
      @isabelpina8288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In my case i got ""Lucky"" i got a good def goblet on set for him, but couldn't never get a single fucking feather 💀
      And once i get one, is just EM, HP and ATK

    • @joeyisabsb1
      @joeyisabsb1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I went 2pc bloodstained 2pc pale flame over 4pc pale flame for eula since the artifacts were far better than 4pc. It's better to stick with the better artifacts while you grind away for the 4pc set or in my case just be happy with 2pc 2pc because it would take months to get a 4pc set as good.

    • @anthonysonyoutube
      @anthonysonyoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      duude same situation with my ningguang. archaic has failed me so many times im considering going 2pc glad/nobl or 2pc glad/shime

    • @Cadmun
      @Cadmun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My Itto is 69/260, full husk set 😎

  • @jukesdtj656
    @jukesdtj656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    3:10 That's a good goblet. It's on set Hydro Dmg, and it has a fairly high Crit Rate even if the other substats aren't useful. Because it is on set you can have a different artifact be your off piece which can easily make up for this artifacts very slight downside of having 3 useless substats. I have a similar Electro Dmg EoSF Goblet with 12.1% Crit Rate on Raiden

    • @samuelluisdelespiritusanto7343
      @samuelluisdelespiritusanto7343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "fairly high"

    • @carlosx8603
      @carlosx8603 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@samuelluisdelespiritusanto7343 I mean that's a fairly accurate description. Since the max possible crit rate an artifact sub can get is 23.4%

    • @ray-ee5pb
      @ray-ee5pb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@carlosx8603 “fairly high” implies that that crit rate sub isn’t just plain high. I have 1 artifact with over 10% crit rate and I’m ar57. That goblet started with 3 subs, so it obviously can’t hit the max. 3 crit rate rolls! On an on-set hydro damage bonus goblet with 3 flat stats! What are the odds??

    • @serulu3490
      @serulu3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There aren't 3 useless substats, it's 2

    • @jukesdtj656
      @jukesdtj656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@serulu3490 HP would only be very slightly useful on Ayato, and HP% would be strictly better.

  • @rinkyouma2320
    @rinkyouma2320 2 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    I just leveled up my atk% goblet with crit rate and damage and guess what, it all rolled to HP%!

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      My condolences :(

    • @cryoimpact
      @cryoimpact 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      youre not alone

    • @sleeper5905
      @sleeper5905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Damn thats a great piece, for someone most probably

    • @rinkyouma2320
      @rinkyouma2320 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sleeper5905 a future character might need it lol but I'll just feed it. I lack resources now.haha

    • @xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58
      @xxx_lolidestroyer69_xxxuwu58 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a Hu Tao/Ayato piece, definitely not copium
      Edit: whoops forgot the /s

  • @MoonChild8189
    @MoonChild8189 2 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    I don't think the artifact rng is bad either however it becomes excessive when you take into consideration the resin system attached to it. I think artifacts would be a lot more manageable if the end was actually in sight when deciding to farm them, for example with weapon ascension materials I know roughly how many it will take to 1-90 a new weapon but with artifacts it is impossible to know where the end is because of the rng. This causes an issue where you don't really now how much resin it will consume from the resin you get this week or even month. Farming for artifacts is the only way this game has ever burnt me out and I do think some changes are necessary to at least have that end in sight. I don't know what this new mechanic should be but I do think there should be one.

    • @amandaslough125
      @amandaslough125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is precisely why I don't do heavy artifact grinding in one go. Helps I'm not late game numbers world 8 like everyone else (would be nice if rng would at least give me 5 star artifacts more consistently but meh), but I do my best to spread out artifact grinding. Like this week we had the ley lines so I made sure to spend resin in that instead and whatever is left over can be divided between bosses, ascension materials etc with some some artifact grinding. Its a lot more manageable doing only a few days on artifact grinding at a time, or at least switching beteeen the characters I'm building so I don't get burnt out on that one location.
      Though I'm almost wondering how jacked I can make some of my characters by flipping sets. The healing sets give way better crit rolls than anyone else, meanwhile I've gotten a handful of healing goblets from pick-your-dps set.

    • @coltonsmith3270
      @coltonsmith3270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@amandaslough125 why are you artifact grinding when you're not guaranteed 5* artifacts?

    • @mhead1117
      @mhead1117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly and the dude who made this vid probably throws money at the game and refills his resin constantly. Which is exactly why he doesn't seen any problem with the current system. Very possible he's partnered with mihoyo alot of content creators are.

    • @khadizaanwarjolly5779
      @khadizaanwarjolly5779 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@coltonsmith3270 i wish i was at that ar level where i didnt have to worry about artifacts

    • @lilithangel642
      @lilithangel642 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😭 how!!!!!

  • @alexrevolution1
    @alexrevolution1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    I agree the strongbox is useful, however I will stop using it. I have no artefact exp and i have many artefacts with potential that cannot be upgraded. I need to save every artifact to fodder into exp. I guess it's also because when I do get good artifacts, they don't roll well enough where it is an upgrade for some of my pieces. Every case is unique, i know someone who's the same ar as me but has 500 artifacts to fodder at any time

    • @Wonbaeofficial
      @Wonbaeofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So true, I barely have any 5 stars, even though I can easily do lvl 80-90 domains.

    • @alexrevolution1
      @alexrevolution1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Wonbaeofficial I am consistently farming artefacts and I have been doing so for months. I'm ar 57 and still struggling to get as many artifacts as I see on some accounts. Sometimes I wonder if those people never farm mora or upgrade other characters cause otherwise how do they have so many artifacts

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I'm usually overflowing with Artifact EXP but I have moments where I run out, in those moments I either go back to artifact farming (the shiny spots in the overworld) or I start going through all the failed +4/8/12/16's I have to use those as EXP since at any given time I have at least 100ish of those lying around.
      When it comes down to it my acquisition of artifacts worth taking to level 20 just isn't as fast as the rate at which domains can give me fodder. This is something that'll change wildly from person to person. Since I've played since launch I have a very strong base of artifacts on both accounts and true upgrades just don't come around enough.

    • @alexrevolution1
      @alexrevolution1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ratheil i have strong artifacts since I have farmed for months, I guess I don't have a lot to fodder since I am building many characters and I don't want to change artifacts between characters when I want to use them. I have around 12 built characters, each with their own artifacts. I also don't farm the artifact route usually as I just don't have time some weeks so I just enter, do some domains/bosses then log out. I still have the chasm quest and the chasm to explore as I have been particularly busy these past few weeks

    • @wiss256
      @wiss256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same thing is happening to me, i have some potentially good artifacts but don't have the exp to upgrade it.

  • @brot_isch_besser_2137
    @brot_isch_besser_2137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    the goblet you showed is really good, but for me, everything that goes above 7% crit rate is, since i just happen to be unlucky with crit rate, while i do get high crit damage rolls. my standards are just: is the artifact i got better or worse than what i already have on my account, if its worse i probably wont use it, if its about the same then i'll keep it. because it got me SO long to get an electro goblet, i do not care if it all goes to def, atleast i can replace the four star one with hp rolls. i tend to give a lot of artifacts a chance, i needed a feather on the vv set, i got one with def, hp, and atk, all flat stats, i got it to four and got crit damage. it rolled 23%, and that isn't the best (i have pieces with 34%, but thats only rare and not even necessary) but it's better than a four star with flat def rolls. regarding the strongbox: i got my two best artifacts from there, and it is so cool.

    • @Malloooow
      @Malloooow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is about the same for me ! My bennett has the best artifacts of my account, 40cv but NONE OF THEM ARE FROM CRIMSON WITCH SET !! My goblet have 20cv which is 2 crit rolls so if I get a pyro dmg CW cup even if it's bad I will instantly equip it on him so I could keep the flower, the feather or the timepiece !

    • @baileydombroskie3046
      @baileydombroskie3046 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ur standards r just a tad bit higher than mine. And ur artifacts r clearly better too.

    • @absorbingjet7198
      @absorbingjet7198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bro,it’s just the opposite with me.I wish I had more crit dmg roll than crit rate.I get more crit rate than crit dmg.For example,I have a flower which is 13 crit rate and 6 crit dmg

  • @5h0ckblock
    @5h0ckblock 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I feel like for the people whose standards are "too high" it's probably more accurate to think that they have good artifacts already but can't get anything better than what they have. For example the artifact they have is CR - 6.2 CD - 20.7 HP - 555 HP% - 4%
    But the artifact they want would replace the hp stats with atk% and EM with higher crit rolls.

    • @geniusaitoolfinder
      @geniusaitoolfinder 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah as an ar59 player anything below 40 cv is a bit meh

    • @serulu3490
      @serulu3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@geniusaitoolfinder would you like 45 CV with flat defence and hp? Or 30 CV with high attack + ER/EM?

    • @geniusaitoolfinder
      @geniusaitoolfinder 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@serulu3490 45 cv for sure because atk can be buffed externally same for em and er is nice but 4.5 shouldnt ruin a rotation

    • @connormeriwether4486
      @connormeriwether4486 ปีที่แล้ว

      This artifact sounds like my Hu Tao Goblet, and actually she makes use of the stats in the Example artifact.

  • @depressedpotato614
    @depressedpotato614 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I never farmed noblese, I only use the strongbox. The artifacts i have are godly, i recomend using it

    • @evewhoo
      @evewhoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I can’t be bothered to do that domain anymore lol So I’ve also just used the strongbox for noblesse

    • @valeriaaraujo9962
      @valeriaaraujo9962 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, me too. One of the reasons was because I couldn't find the domain on the map lol

  • @RuujRubellite
    @RuujRubellite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    When it comes to the strongbox right now; I highly recommend people to just save all their 5* artifacts and farm it after Dendro drops (if it drops with Sumeru, that is). That way you can knock out 2 birds with 1 stone. Dendro%, and farming off-pieces. I'm 2/3rd the way to completely filling my bag with artifacts lol
    10:33 - That is my Hu Tao. Walked into Crimson Witch domain; got her full 4 piece set 60/220 within 8 runs 🤣 Best extreme I've ever had in this entire game.

    • @moonight600
      @moonight600 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The same happened with my diluc. I decided to settle for the first correct main stat 4 piece set and roll with it. Ended up giving me 60/140 crit ratios. lol

    • @alpha4935
      @alpha4935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same happened to my accidentally pulled Ganyu in the Blizzard domain way back in 1.2. Her 4-pc blizzard had 19.4-125 crit (94.4-233.6 in total with every other sources of crit) within a week of farming, and yet Ayaka still doesn't have a single good sands, goblet or circlet.

    • @jonnyjoker01
      @jonnyjoker01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh shit you're right! I have over 1000 artifacts because I'm really bad at deciding what to throw away and what to keep. After watching this video I wanted to go and clear that mess up, roll into strongboxes, level the good ones etc. But indeed it would save a ton of time if I did the strongbox rolls after dendro gets released! Gonna wait a few more months I guess haha

    • @259
      @259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is also why you should save all of the artifact boxes from the Spiral Abyss for this reason. More artifacts stockpiled will mean higher chance of getting that Dendro goblet from the strongbox sooner

    • @ChaosTheory419
      @ChaosTheory419 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@259 that is, if you actually want to farm dendro. If you don't you absolutely should not stockpile them because you'll have a lower chance of getting an element you want

  • @akgarada
    @akgarada 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Good video. People’s expectations are becoming ridiculous. The HoD cup with hydro and 4 rolls of CR is a very strong artifact. If you are aiming for a similar artifact with 5-6 rolls of CR and CD, you could spend tens of thousands of resin and not get that.

  • @theRaika
    @theRaika 2 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    A lot of players dispose artifacts that has just one crit stat on a 4 stat starter. In my experience those artifacts are the ones that surprisingly rolls well. For instance I recently got a 4 stat starter, with just crit damage and atk % and it rolled 35+crit damage and 1 into attack % =9.9% atk. That artifact is one of my highest crit damage pieces.
    Now for me, because this piece has high crit damage, I try finding a another piece that has high crit rate rolls to compliment with it and bring balance in stats.
    It's nice to have both crit rate and damage rolls on all pieces, but it's still possible to work around the imbalances in rolls per pieces.

    • @akwaMartyna
      @akwaMartyna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      same except it was crit dmg and 3 flat substats. everything rolled into crit dmg and it has almost 40%. like, obviously it doesn't happen often but if you're late into the game you can risk it. personally i have every 4*, all standard 5* and about half limited ones and all my characters are at least lv 71, most with talents lv 6 at least because i like to switch things around. for example I got c2 Lisa from standard so i wanted to use her in the abyss. gave her prototype amber which I R5ed for my healer Mona and put emblem on her, she kinda slapped with raiden, ayato and sucrose. my point is, my resin spend is mostly artifacts + some on talent books/mora so I don't mind leveling potentially trash pieces to 16/20 if they're on set. so that 38% crit dmg piece even with useless other stats is still better then any other circlets on set, it makes it possible to actually have an off piece good goblet instead of an avarage one. so, you never know. i wouldn't recommend it to newer players though, definetely farming artifacts is the least resin efficient activity to increase your damage, newcomers should focus on levels and talents first to make their lives easier

    • @JohnJillky
      @JohnJillky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If it's 1 crit with 3 bad stats, I may trash them bc the stat efficiency could be too low on my account at this point even IF it all rolled crit (unlikely). And I base this off of what happens when I use an optimizer. Many of my only 1 crit pieces don't get used, but I do use a lot of characters who benefit from a lot of stats (ER, ATK, EM) and not just crit. Tho, this depends on the piece, character, and what my other artifacts look like. But for new players, it's completely bonkers to trash that. +8/12 it and decide after that

    • @akwaMartyna
      @akwaMartyna 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnJillky yeah my point, it depends on an account. My goal is to have every character equiped so i won't have to swap artifacts so my standard for those that aren't my top 15 loved ones are a bit lower xD but yeah if i do abyss and want to use Yanfei i will swap crimson from Hu Tao even though Yanfei has her own artifacts but they're less cracked. But my standards are still probably a bit too high, even if it's a support I won't use a lot i still need at least 60 crit rate ~120 crit dmg with decent other stats (depends on a character obviously, Lisa needs ER, Noelle DEF etc.). However i don't really bitch about my artifacts for those characters, i know that my goal to equip all dozens of them is ambitious anyway, but i will bitch about spending 6 months in dragonsPAIN including fragile resin, to end up with 70-140% crit on Tartag (which is a minimum for my mains in my eyes) and that's with the BP bow which gives a ton of crit rate... And 1700k ATK 110% ER, 0 EM XD for so much resin it's really actually trash, if i was ftp i would have to switch to a crit rate mask to even barely make 50% crit rate and I'd have around 100% crit DMG. Six fricking months. I farmed half the time for Raiden and she's build better with ER weapon so no help with crit there. Ps. I'm a low spender so i don't have many 5* weapons and i dont refresh but god people underestimate how much designated weapons help to build a characters
      Sorry for the rant hahah i don't mind some RNG but that's too much
      Edit: typos

    • @JohnJillky
      @JohnJillky 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@akwaMartyna I'm leveling every character I have and just swapping artifacts myself. I've given up on artifacts for now. I'll get back to it later 😂
      Tho I do want a blizzard strayer set, I've made do without so far

    • @chronopolize_jp
      @chronopolize_jp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the downside is that the lv 20 roll is risky, though you could just make your decision at 16. If the 4 stat misses the first roll, it's significantly worse than a 3-substat with one crit, that rolled the other crit stat at lv 4.

  • @jorgehuertas3995
    @jorgehuertas3995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The great thing is that you can use fully upgraded artifacts to level up new ones. So just use mediocre artifacts, feed them to good ones when you get them and then to great ones. Rolls are a thing so this isn't at all a perfect strategy, but it helps a lot at building new characters

  • @noah2544
    @noah2544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    yeah i think ur kind of right tho xD
    but i wanna tell you this anyway :
    so i have an average resin contingent of 200 resin a day (sometimes i do top up one if i have the primos or a fragile or transcient resin) and since 12 weeks i am farming the Viridescent Domain every day. That means i spent 12 weeks x 7 days x ~ 200 resin = 16.800 resin on the viridescent domain since then. and i happened to monitor my artifact drops todo some statistics on my average luck since i have nothing else to do anyway xDD. I got 1139 gold artifacts in total. Sadly my luck was so bad that i got 2 EM viridescent pieces (wich is 0.17% of all drops) and 5 EM pieces in total (wich is 0.43% of all drops). Additionally i got 783 DEF mainstat pieces in total (wich is equal to 68,74% of all drops) and the last 30,83% are shared of feathers, plumes and other mainstat pieces such as HP%, ATK%, elemental/physicalDMG%, CRITDMG/RATE.
    According to the wiki the drop chance for EM pieces is 2.5% which means i should have 28 EM pieces in total and the chance between maidens set and viridescent set is 50/50, which means i should have got 14 virdescent em pieces. where are my artifacts xDDD
    And since this is the viridescent set and i wanna stack as much EM on my Venti / Kazuha i dont really care about the substats lmao.
    yeah what d'you think when i will get those huh xD

    • @N1CKczemN1CK
      @N1CKczemN1CK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me 2 circlets with EM on one day😯

    • @shuysnoopy
      @shuysnoopy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is so relatable. Seeing everyone being so lucky just kinda kills the spirit for me a little. Hardwork pays off, but seeing those who dont need to work hard and still have better results than you just make you wanna quit so much. I myself been stuck with a one piece EM for kazuha and farming for 4 weeks, but i assume it's gonna take me more time than you just to get some good enough ones :(

  • @Ratheil
    @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Watch me make fun of the history of banner opinions: th-cam.com/video/PyHj9l3U0i0/w-d-xo.html

  • @nyx1580
    @nyx1580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great vid and excellent point.
    Players really do need to temper their expectations. Comparing yourself to others makes you vain and bitter and keeps you from appreciating the things you have for what they are. And I’ve always believed that Genshin Impact, with its lack of pvp and leaderboards and any form of in-game competitive gameplay, embodies that very virtue.

  • @biscuit1595
    @biscuit1595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6 weeks + 15 fragile resin at blizzard strayer domain and only 2 useable pieces for Ayaka (1 is only 17cv gross) yet 500 good HoD pieces... but i dont have anyone to use them on, the game does this on purpose i swear. Same with the clam domain, ive gotten so many crit pieces from there which are USLESS for my kokomi.

    • @J.sh_CDN
      @J.sh_CDN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Time to make an Ocean hue Qiqi build and put all those crit stats to good use!!!

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Problem with that retoric is : when you already have « ok artifacts » on a character, you need « amazing artifacts » to perfect your characters.
    When you’re in that step, you need those overall 230 Crit Value on your character.

    • @Axterix13
      @Axterix13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      But conversely, if you're at the "I need amazing artifacts" stage, it is fine that it takes time to get those. The problem is more when you want to start playing a new character, and you just want a decent set, not a great one, but decent, and one slot just absolutely refuses to cooperate.

    • @GwyndolinSimp
      @GwyndolinSimp 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Axterix13my freeze team 4p blizzard Layla ended up amazing while 4p blizzard kaeya just cannot get a good blizzard piede for his life (although he does have good energy recharge)

  • @SilverDroid14
    @SilverDroid14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Honestly sometimes the ok kind of artifacts always turns out the better.

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Some of my best are the ones that started out with one crit stat/ATK%/an useless stat. The Crit pops up on the 4th and everything piles into the crit stats. Adversely some of my absolute worst artifacts are ones that started with 4 as a base including double crit.

  • @senjo4143
    @senjo4143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    earlier, i received a good glad feather from the strongbox after 1 month of feeding trash to it. i tested my luck to see the bonus substat since it only has crit rate on it, and crit damage was added. then i fed a trash level 20 and it all went to hp:)))

  • @kanta4549
    @kanta4549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I generally have lower standards for sand/goblet, i find those to be the hardest to farm good piece. Circlets by their very nature are pretty good, so my standards are higher for them. Strongbox, I thought it was a scam at first, still kinda do. On the other hand theres nothing to do with all the artifacts laying around in your inventory.

  • @justnotmyday2931
    @justnotmyday2931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That Hydro Goblet is decent imo, I'd use it for Childe 'cause of it being on-set and Congrats on the Physical Goblet looking really good (hehe)
    Thank you for the Video, it's exactly what I tell my friend
    The standard of "what is good enough" is just different for people and sometimes decent gets the job done as well instead of grinding mindlessly

  • @Extrnal
    @Extrnal ปีที่แล้ว +2

    People just value crit too much when atk% and er is just as important for most characters.

  • @leonp.2171
    @leonp.2171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I totally get your point, but the thing is, you into can have so many artifacts to fodder into others, so that you do have to be critical with which ones you want to give a chance.

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To a degree yes, there's a healthy balance in the middle where you give artifacts that have untapped potential a chance but don't go crazy upgrading everything with a single crit stat/missing stat that could be crit. It's a dynamic situation that changes over time.

  • @VentingGragory
    @VentingGragory ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The goblet is trash, crit rate is useless and you don't have HP%. Wait, what do you mean it's not for DPS Kokomi???

  • @michellewu6689
    @michellewu6689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I always aim for usable artifacts before good ones. As long as the main stat is good and there's at least one or two good substats, it's better than nothing. However, it is indeed very frustrating to see those pieces not be as good as more optimal pieces could be.

  • @sleepbleep4362
    @sleepbleep4362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bad artifact moment

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Viewer

  • @notevennero
    @notevennero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i might be cursed by hp
    but as a hu tao main.. i see that as an absolute dub

  • @cyakhazix9115
    @cyakhazix9115 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Talking about standard, 10:26 trashing crit dmg, atk%, ER would be abit high of a standard for me bro, just lil bit

  • @GrowingLamby
    @GrowingLamby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    3:10 That is a very nice artifact for the average player due to 24.8 crit value and having Hydro DMG on a Hydro set cup
    As for my own standards, I think that if you can have artifacts for a character (without crit weapons or ascension stats) to be like 60/105 then I'd considering it pretty good in my opinion

  • @drunkcapybara7004
    @drunkcapybara7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Artifact system in this game is too frustrating for me so i decided i'd skip it entirely and rely on Gladiator/Wanderer alone, maybe sprinkle in some 2pc Berserker, and i noticed again and again just how low my standards are, for obvious reasons, but i'm happy with this decision.
    Oh and the Strongbox was godsent for me

    • @WI-FI_GOD
      @WI-FI_GOD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s a interesting idea

    • @ascaredmilipede7971
      @ascaredmilipede7971 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Youre a madman and i like it.
      Though i think you should atleast farm the shimenawa/emblem domain so you can slap on a 36% atk bonus on a double two piece or give 20% er to whoever needs it

    • @drunkcapybara7004
      @drunkcapybara7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ascaredmilipede7971 I kinda wanna keep my acc as gimmicky as it is now, i know i'm missing out on very good sets but i wanna see where never farming artifact domains will get me
      Also the Abyss drops two 18% ATK sets right now and for ER i have Exile

    • @ascaredmilipede7971
      @ascaredmilipede7971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@drunkcapybara7004 ah i can understand that. So what charachters have you built? A true gimmicky wanderers set isnt complete without Charge DPS Diona

    • @drunkcapybara7004
      @drunkcapybara7004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ascaredmilipede7971 i got the resources due to not farming artifacts to have recently leveled all my chars to lv90 with at 6/6/6 talents, but i mainly use Klee, Ganyu and Ayaka as main DPS in my teams
      Ganyu has 4pc Wanderer, Klee has Wanderer/Gladiator, Ayaka has Gladiator/Noblesse
      I do occasionally try stuff like CA spam Diona though

  • @Tw1lightwastaken
    @Tw1lightwastaken 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Currently the best piece I have on my account is a geo goblet with around 17% crit dmg and 11% crit rate.....or so I thought but just realized recently that is said 17% crit RATE and 11% crit dmg

    • @victimoffatimahkicker4254
      @victimoffatimahkicker4254 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thats seems even better to me :0

    • @dojiz7242
      @dojiz7242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Personally, that's really amazing since it feels like building crit rate is harder than crit damage.

    • @Tw1lightwastaken
      @Tw1lightwastaken 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dojiz7242 The reason it's the best piece I have is becuz of that. For 4 months I did not know that said crit RATE instead of dmg Idk why I might just be dumb

  • @keorieoo
    @keorieoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think the main issue with artifacts rn is that its so resin consuming, especially since u have to use it for bosses and talents also. it spreads your supply so thin that the RNG of it feels unfair

  • @adarsh5265
    @adarsh5265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    One of my early mistakes in artifact farming was trying to crit hoard , i didn't realise the value of those other stats , now that I have realised my life has become infinitely more easier

  • @A.I.rchist
    @A.I.rchist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:09 Oh my god you actually got Hydro damage as a MAIN STAT? Been looking for one for a my childe for months. Nope, can't even get a timepeice for attack% either, it's horrible. My timepeice has def def% hp and hp% as substats my childe is cursed, tho I've had amazing luck with my shougun so it balances out.

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I donno why my that domain has just not been kind to me, not with Strayer or Depths. Poor Childe is still slumming it with not the greatest artifacts for it being the domain I've easily invested the most resin into.

  • @mingming4983
    @mingming4983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My best atk sands has 33% crit dmg... Along with 3 meh substats. I was so desperate for a noblesse atk sands that I took a gamble on it. The emotional pay off of rolling everything on that single was *mwah* chef's kiss.

  • @masterchock328
    @masterchock328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had pretty low expectations at the beginning. But then all my artifacts started rolling all DEF, no matter how good substats were to begin with. Now i won't even consider leveling up until i get crit rate and crit dmg substats, which is extremely rare to get (and it's still rolls all DEF lmao). It would be so nice to have some kind of pity on artifacts, that RNG just kills me.

  • @relax2413
    @relax2413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "If you lack fodder artifacts it's because either way you standards are way to low or you're just so lucky that wherever you are farming you get often somehting worth lvling and if it's that case... we all hates you"
    THANKS GOD finally someone realize that "luck" is a parameter when it comes to fodders ! People that needs fodders doesn't even get why I'm always at 1500/1500 !
    Bruh if my routine in 5 condense resins is not getting a single piece with the good MAIN STAT ofc I have many fodders ! What do you think I'm going to leveling up ?! A DEF% emblem circlet because I have crit rate on it ?!? xD

  • @ghalfo_734
    @ghalfo_734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I’m kind of a masochist when it comes to farming artifacts. Here’s my routine:
    1 - I look at what my character needs based on his scaling, weapon given and role
    2 - I choose what set I want for them
    3 - On a piece of paper I write “Flower of Life”, “Plume of Death” etc.
    4 - For every piece of the set I choose the Main Stat
    5 - then, on another page, I write the Sub Stat I need/want until I reach 20 (4 Sub Stat for 5 pieces). Max 5 times each Sub Stat, you can’t get the same one on the same piece
    6 - I distribute them equally on the pieces
    7 - I start farming the set until I get a PERFECT artefact. If my piece had to be:
    Sands of Eon
    Elemental Mastery
    ATK
    ATK%
    CRIT Rate
    CRIT DMG
    I don’t stop until u get that EXACT piece. If it’s missing a stat I level it up to level 4 and check. If it is the stat I wanted I continue, otherwise I’ll continue farming
    8 - once I found the perfect piece I level it up to level 20 but what I hope for is kind unusual:
    I hope it rolls once for every Sub Stat. I don’t believe in the supremacy of the CRIT. If Itto scales DEF he’ll need as much CRIT value as DEF so one roll on each is the best for a balanced character.
    9 - repeat step 7-8 until satisfied 🥲

    • @Vantitas
      @Vantitas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As a fellow masochist like yourself, I too use either the same or shockingly similar routine whenever I farm for artifacts. Sure. My expectations may seem too high or whatever, but at least I know exactly what I’m farming for than settling for less. Especially since I want my characters to be performing at the very best they can.

    • @mhead1117
      @mhead1117 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do u spend $$$? Because it will probably be years until you get a set for one team f2p let alone 2 for the abyss.

    • @ghalfo_734
      @ghalfo_734 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mhead1117 I’m a low spender, I shop only when I can’t pull a 5 star in time. I don’t spend for resin tho

  • @twistedfate9475
    @twistedfate9475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have levelled so many artifacts that i unintentionally have all my character equip with fully lv 20 artifacts . Maybe my standard is too low or i have been played for too long lol .

  • @mooncrises
    @mooncrises 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I actually didn't mind artifact farming for a long time...until the Lost Valley came out. The Lost Valley is the bane of my existence because I only have one character who could use either of the artifact sets (Xiao). It was a nightmare to farm decent artifacts for him and it felt like such a waste of resin because, for many other domains, the artifacts farmed could be used on SOMEBODY. I'm hoping in the future that genshin will release more characters that will benefit from the Lost Valley to make the domain much more worthwhile

    • @rewer
      @rewer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Extra artifact u can put in strongbox

  • @TNinja0
    @TNinja0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Artifact Strongbox was a savior for me who frequently use that Burst buff set.
    You tell me. Spend Resin and get useless Physical artifact, or spend artifacts you already wasted Resin on to get that artifact you wanted.

  • @justincross2212
    @justincross2212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Weird enough I managed to fully build my Ganyu with Full Wanderer's set by feeding trash artifacts to the strong box. Also most of my good off set artifacts came from it.

  • @uchinanchuu58
    @uchinanchuu58 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My big problem with artifacts is when I start out with a decent one and the game gives me flat HP twice, flat attack twice, and flat defense once even though I had a good elemental goblet with crite rate substat. It just takes so much damn farming and mora to even begin to sort through the artifacts.

  • @CluebotUK
    @CluebotUK 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Too much grind" is not my main complaint. No, it's that there's no progress floor - i.e. no limit on how much effort you can invest and get _no_ return, even if you are evaluating new artefacts rationally. For a progression mechanic that is also time gated, this is both not even necessary and potentially far too punishing.
    If you could e.g. burn a large number of high rarity artefacts to predictably shift an attribute of an existing one to something more favourable, that would provide at least an assurance that your efforts aren't going to be entirely wasted. Any competent game designer should be able to build that system such that it doesn't break the intended progress rate compared to average luck not using it.

    • @ri9418
      @ri9418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is exactly what I thought watching this video, like there is no pity system at all... At least wishing has SOME end in sight. Artifacts straight up have no way to predict what you're going to get. I had to farm 4-5 months to get a useable blizzard set. With content getting harder and harder the demand and need of better artifacts will only get higher and higher, this is probably why standards are rising. I legit can't use certain characters in abyss just because the artifact sub stats are just to underwhelming. They definitely need to rework this system.

  • @MARUSHI-YT
    @MARUSHI-YT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    viridescent domain hates me, but at least it's super quick to farm, especially if you have venti. a punch in the gut when you get maiden's for over a week, but it is what it is

  • @undying1220
    @undying1220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I totally agree on strongbox. At first content creators are all saying strong box is a trap etc. But what I saw in strongbox is opportunity, opportunity. On the first day of strong box, I used all my trash artifacts (500-700 pcs) and suddenly my Ganyu is bonkers! 55/210 crit and a 200 EM!! All the rolls goes to EM and crits only except for the circlet since thats the hardest.

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sadly some still say it's a trap even today. I think they are definitely just being dismissive of it as a meme because much like domains it will give more trash than treasures but I some people will believe them and it will reinforce their already negative thoughts about it.

  • @Runegrem
    @Runegrem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'd label that hydro goblet you asked about as perfectly serviceable. If all other artifacts for a character were of that quality I'd just move on to farm other things. I prefer raising talent levels and new characters over perfecting artifacts. It's just more fun. Though I do have a bit higher standards for one of my favoured characters compared to some random character I levelled just because I thought it might be fun.

  • @Malam_NightYoru
    @Malam_NightYoru 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "their average artifacts" *SHOWS UP A PRETTY GOOD ARTIFACT*

  • @cesarignjas
    @cesarignjas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    10:00 well, RNG is not so random... it can be controlled the rate of prock for individual stats and sub-stats, have you noticed that after farming a lot in a domain the amount of circlets with ATK, HP and DEF are always higher than CRIT? also if you farm in the Slumbering Court Domain, you imagine that will be a piece of cake to have the DEF and HP pieces you need, but the game trolls you by giving a lot of pieces of DEF in the kokomi's set and HP in the Itto's set, that's because each individual substat have a drop rate that can be controlled by developers, so the chances are never equal, the goal is to keep you locked farming dungeons because if you have easily all you want from that domain you will loose interest in the game, at least that's what the developers think

  • @amrismail7336
    @amrismail7336 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when someone see my 56% cr, 163% cd (4 piece husk) itto ,, they always say (ThAt'S nOt GoOd EnOuGh BrOo YoU nEeD 70% cr and 180% cd To Be At LeAsT vIaBle ,,, LIKE B....H STFU I SPENT 5K RESIN TO GET THERE AND I STILL HAVE OTHER CHARACTERS TO BUILD XD

  • @francenkovcan5211
    @francenkovcan5211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:06 IMO the goblet is average at best 24.8 CRIT value isn't bad (most of my artifacts have that much) the big issue comes with 3 flat stats
    this is something i likely wouldn't give a chance unless i completely overlooked the flats when leveling it on impulse
    for reference i trash an artifact if it has 2 flats and only 1 CRIT stat rolled

  • @kawaiimika7974
    @kawaiimika7974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:55 DAAAAMN, SHENHE PEACE
    3:10 ALSO THIS CUP IS AMAZING
    Oh yeah, you just reminded me. I got a Crit rate circlet on a new Xiao set and it had ATK%, EM and ER. I saw like PLEASE ER. I edned up with 11 ATK% and 21 Crit DMG

  • @wakawakawakawaka8804
    @wakawakawakawaka8804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    3:27
    This artifact is kinda scuffed but it depends on the character that uses it
    On childe it's cope, because 3 dead stats
    On koko it's just bad, if flat hp was hp% it would be ok also 3 dead stats
    On ayato it's ok, this the type of artifact you switch out once you get a better one.
    It mainly depends on what the character needs, and how many sub stats that character can utilize.

  • @saddestsphere
    @saddestsphere 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hate the Crimson Witch domain more than any other. I've had terrible luck there and although I don't find it difficult to complete, it is dreadfully slow. I got Klee right when she first released so she was one of the first characters I built but now her artifacts are outdated and I'm struggling to find the motivation to go back in there and get replacements.

  • @Mafuyu24542
    @Mafuyu24542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Crimson Witch domain is the bane to my existence. I never really care about substats but sometimes when I see any of the flat stats (atk, def or hp) I usually disregard them and I’m aware no one should do that

  • @bjornnilsson2941
    @bjornnilsson2941 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The strongbox really needs more love! I've gotten the majority of my 4pc sets from it. Like 3 full Noblesse sets, Wanderer's for Ganyu, good glad pieces and recently Crimson, TF and Thundersoother. I've actually never set foot in the crimson domain, and from what I hear that's a blessing.
    As far as the worst domain for me it's also undoubtedly Peak of Vindagnyr. I was trying to gear up my beloved Kamisato siblings for ages but that domain only contains feathers and flowers!! Luckily the strongbox was able to finish out the sets for me pretty well.
    Oh, and good job... now I really want to boot up the old PS2 and replay FFX. That nostalgic music...

  • @BamaMophi
    @BamaMophi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the video. The only thing I want to touch on is in reference to the grind. I agree that genshin’s grind amount is not bad. The amount of grind you need to do is actually super small in the grand scheme of things. What I find bad about it is the subtype of grind it is. It’s restrictive grind. So you may not spend too much total time grinding the game, but it demands that the time you do spend grinding it be consistent. Which, yes, is what most game developers strive for as it makes their numbers look good especially for a game like Genshin that doesn’t have any real replayable content. However, this is where the majority of players’ frustrations come from. Most games people play allow you to grind on your own time. Don’t have the time to play the game for a week? That’s fine, you can sit down on a day you’re free and grind for 8 hours to try and accomplish what you set out to do that day. In Genshin, you don’t have that feeling of accomplishment when you’re grinding artifacts specifically. Because the grind is time gated, if you miss a day, it truly feels bad because you cannot make up for that grind when you are capable of doing so. If compressing resin wasn’t limited or at the very least, had a much higher cap than 5, this might alleviate the frustration a lot. But as is, the time gates rng rolls on top of the layered rng doesn’t feel as though you’re accomplishing the task of progressing your account because you can go so many sessions with failed grinds. And these grinds are failures not because of your own capabilities or perseverance. So while you may succeed in bettering your account eventually, even when you succeed, it comes off the back of many sessions that can be counted as failures for most or even wasted effort for some.

  • @Aceleo209
    @Aceleo209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:20
    My first thought, oh its a hydro % on HoD set. The 500 hp feels like a waste but this is rare enough.
    *a moment of realization later*
    AYO IS THAT 12% CR ON A HYDRO % HOD PIECE YOOOOO

  • @DaNiceGuy
    @DaNiceGuy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Watching a few of these types of videos, I realized that “op” artifacts are the one that have crit rate and crit DMG in substats (and after spending 37 fragile resin, I have got some good artifacts enough to leave raiden and Barbara satisfied, and leave kaeya, Bennett, tighnari and gaming slightly satisfied), and I asked other AR 50+ players for their advice, but they say that my artifacts are a beyond average than the artifacts of other people at my AR

  • @shiki9758
    @shiki9758 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I literally farm the emblem set for Raiden since this domain is out.
    Over 2 years of constant suffering and I still don't have really good artifacts.
    I really have no explanation of this why this domain screws me over for years.
    Maybe it is because I am using Raiden and the game automatically thinks the artifacts have to be bad because I have a character that needs it.
    That is my only explanation.

  • @antoinvaleroso4773
    @antoinvaleroso4773 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As A Man who likes to main Pyro DPS, Fuck Farming the Crimson. Shit is just too hard my guy even when when I go to co op mos of the time It takes about 3 and almost 4 minutes to finish that domain.

  • @shinymew1213
    @shinymew1213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    for that hydro cup i personally thin its very bad, or rather not worth it. if your other ppieces are good hthen its ok cus of the cr, but you reaally would need like 7-9% cr on your other pieces, 15% cd and more on the others, you would need a cd hat do make up for your lack of cd and your atk sub stats need to be on point especially if ur not using an atk tiem piece. yes its an on ser hydro cup but thats really worthless. for a dps you ususally want a atk sand which is easier to get than a hydro cup so u can easily reroll. if it was a cd or cr hat and it had that on it (cd hat) then i would say its good, especially if its on set. i ususally use the cup as my off piece. i dont htink anyone uses the hat as their off piece. god forbid htats for a hybrid scaling character. if its a hybrid scaling character thats really bad because it doesnt have any of the hybrid scaling they need. now maybe for yelan it wouldnt be the worst but its costing you so much opporunity. maybe our cr standards are different. if im at 48% iim good with that, i aim for 50. my best instance of this is my main klee who has 58%, more than i was going for but i wont complain. my raiden is on the lower end with 47, and so is my ganyu but she has 28 because i factored in her passive which gives 20%. if i have cryo res im above that and at liek 60 something. ideal substats really determines what u want from artifacts and if u are getting what u need. personally im really lax with hats especially the cd cr because i go on set for those, sands im more selecive because ther are only like 4 possible rolls for hte main stat and 2 good stats that get rolled alot are good enough for me. cups im more of a long term investor. occasionally i have to get a new one like for klee, i got 20% cd and nothing else but i replaced it because i needed more cr and atk perrcent. the one i have now has less cd but has cr cd and atk. the elemental bonuses i ususally settle for because they drop so rarely and i know i just have to wait for htem. btu 2 good substats that gget rolled into alot are good and for hybrid scaling characters i ususally look for the hybrid stats as liek a extra roll and dont go for it as a invvested roll o nthe artifact. if that cup had 9% atk i would say it was good or like at least em and atk even if they werent rolled into. i think im relativly lucky when it comes to artifacts besides crimson witch. everyone besides that domain i buiilt in a day. raiden took me a month to get good piececs for but for my hybrid er and dps build she was cracked when i got her.

  • @anders12114
    @anders12114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hade a cup with physical dmg
    Atk%
    Crit rate
    Crit dmg
    Flat def
    It only upgrade the flat def :(

  • @shinymew1213
    @shinymew1213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the rng is really that bad. when u account for the fact that u need to get the main stat bonus its veery bad, when u need to get the right su b stats its really bad, when u need to then have it roll into those subs stats its very bad, when u then have more rng of getting a high or low roll its even worse. if u want to build just one charracters thats liek 5 layers of rng. then if u build multiple characters thats like the same rng x 4 if u need 2 teams for spiral thats 8 if u need flex slots liek interchangable supports for differewnt rotations of spiral which many ppl do depending on the enemys lemen t thats possibly 2-3 mroe characters. rng isnt baad but i really wish tere was a way to at least get a main stat piece or at least a pity system for certai nsub stats so they werent so rare and could at least be guaranteeed afteer a certain amount of time. that doesnt even account for u not getting the right set which is 50/50. WAY to much rng. just cus some other game does it worse doesnt mean genshin is doing soemthign right. i enjoy the rng because it makes farming satisfying whne u get something good but if there were a pity system it would make the lows not as bad.. because u only get a high once or twice a month statistically. no to mention mora and books being limtied recources means now i have to farm for those just to level and roll my characters. they need to add mroe resin or do something because this is to much right now. im only tstrong right now because i have been very very VERY lucky and have stockpiled the recources i need fora year so i have the stuff to level ppl. if i didnt have bp for the paast 5 months 2/3rds of the characters i have built wouldnt be built and i would have no mroa or books. let alone resin to spare for artifacts/

  • @hms.fortune5829
    @hms.fortune5829 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I paused on the hydro goblet, in my opinion it’s a decent to good artifact I believe that’s 3 rolls into crit rate so actually good the only bad thing is the flat stats that not really any character wants, however if I got this piece it could be an upgrade for a few characters that I have (I have been playing since launch)
    Also (hi again) the strong box has given me some of if not my best pieces so if you have a set you want to farm check the strong box first it can save you so much resin

  • @DaNiceGuy
    @DaNiceGuy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When your artifact almost matches with the thumbnail one (I got crit rate kabuto (the hat), crit DMG, and some other sub stats)

  • @lordthethan3972
    @lordthethan3972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Chongyun was the first 4-star character I got from Genshin wishes, and I INSTANTLY fell in love with him. I've been lucky enough to C6 him, as well. I know that he's rated relatively low amongst meta-Travelers, but I personally love that he can increase my Itto's attack speed and has good synergies with other claymore users (my favorite weapon type).
    I recently decided to stop hoarding my resources (cough cough 17 crowns collecting dust in my inventory cough cough) and REALLY build him, and see how I can use other units like Rosaria and Shenhe to maximize his potential; this has been SO much fun.
    The Peak of Vindagnyr is a menace, an abomination, a tragedy, a barren hellscape, a ruthless tyrant, a cruel mistress, and a brutal trial all in one. It is the place where dreams are forever corrupted, where aging becomes rapid, where families are torn apart, and where patience yields to rage. It is a domain completely absent of good people; it's inhabitants drink the blood of their victims from the useless goblets that sustain players' presences in its shadowy depths.
    The Peak of Vindagnyr is where Dad went so many years ago. Now, I've reunited with him...and now, neither of us can go back to Mom.
    10/10 experience will farm this domain until the next cataclysm.

  • @user-yyac
    @user-yyac 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When the artifact rolls one time into def it will be recycled. This is the way my characters shall suffer.
    It is deserving that they don't crit at least 100k each time i use their best skill. /jk

  • @dierare
    @dierare 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sorry but I don't agree with the "there's worse rng/grind games out there, stop whining" argument. Just because something else is worse doesn't mean another thing is less bad.

  • @koschtnix0286
    @koschtnix0286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I dont know. i ususally dont spend a lot of time in artifact domains besides the one with the emblem set. took me 2 days for a really decent hu tao set. a week for a solid ganyu and 1 week for my really good raiden. the rest is solidly build with the stuff that drops from it. i really have insane artifact luck in the emblem domain. cannot complain at all

  • @shinymew1213
    @shinymew1213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i got an idea, waht if the strong box elt you get a specific piece for a set but its from a random set. so u can only get sands but the sand is from a completely random set. it would make lemental bonus dmg much more common

  • @neopolitan7437
    @neopolitan7437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve got really good artifact substats luck, just that it doesn’t go on to 5* artifacts…

  • @d_dante0671
    @d_dante0671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't have that high of standards as long as it a on set artifact with the main stat I need I don't really care about the sub stats now and then if that only if I had to farm em pieces anything else I might try but if there not good I'll just work with it

  • @LethaeusSol
    @LethaeusSol 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I do agree to an extent. Basically the artifact grind struggle for me is trying to get an UPGRADE. I have usable pieces all around and it gets so much more difficult when you're trying to balance 4 stats on a character (Crit, ATK, ER), ESPECIALLY on Emblem artifact set users. Getting optimal energy recharge, good crit AND elemental damage and the atk/hp substats etc is HARD. artifact grinding from scratch feels so much better because eventually you throw on a 4pc set of usable artifacts and hope for an upgrade. My raiden shogun GENUINELY has double crit on *every single piece* but I still have a sub-50% crit rate. I think bare minimum QoL improvements to artifact system would be the ability to reset an artifact to level 0 while maintaining substats, or completely rerolling substats and preserving the main stat.

  • @crimsen989
    @crimsen989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love the strongbox since i got a noblesse sands with 40 cv and a 34 cv goblet with anemo

  • @devonstoomuch
    @devonstoomuch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    that artifact on the thumbnail is definitely good. thats all. goodbye now.

  • @SleepDeprivedMatt
    @SleepDeprivedMatt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    meanwhile me with full of hp and defense and only have 2 good artifact

  • @luisjose3076
    @luisjose3076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you mean that deep goblet is bad? That shit is three times better that the one my xinqiu has

  • @pitypotato1151
    @pitypotato1151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:20
    I saw that cup and verbaly said "Mona?" oop

  • @kaiseejustcant
    @kaiseejustcant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Thundering fury domain that domain has fd me up so hard,

  • @anxienknown
    @anxienknown 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I genuinely think that crt dmg stat as a whole is the most scam thing ever made. They could’ve just made crit deal twice dmg and then you could’ve just built atk and crit chance. Also, flat stats are the most pointless thing ever when their % counterparts scale so much better.
    Another thing is that set bonuses are usually outshined by the artifact substats which is the absolutely stupid. The fact that my character can perform better with just good substats than good set pieces is incredibly bad design in my opinion.

    • @shuysnoopy
      @shuysnoopy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. One some DPS character you either get more crit damage or you wasting their potential. Well we're still lucky they havent made something like flat crit damage increase, at least we still have crit damage% only lmao

  • @MeetGadhavi2512
    @MeetGadhavi2512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I once roled a maiden set for my kokomi and on a hp% artifact goblet a flower which had like hp and got 21% crit DMG which I can't use now

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The pain of leveling Kokomi artifacts and having them all turn out with crit stats 😭

  • @noemijankowiak9875
    @noemijankowiak9875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learned to not chase the perfect crit ratio. The only thing I avoid are the flat stats (and even that only when I can).
    Not to mention, I lovered my expectations for any elemental cup. I do look around for the best one, of course, but even a mediocre or a copium one is good for a time.
    Farming artifacts takes time. You need to develop patience (or a thick wallet, but patience is preferred).
    Also, strongbox is great! Recently I decided to build a wanderers Yanfei and it's super helpful since otherwise this set is hard to farm properly.

  • @jadebayoba7073
    @jadebayoba7073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:20 it actually depends on the context, if it is for a DPS Critkomi, its beautiful, if it is for a Yelan, its perfect, don't even touch it, if it is for Tartaglia, baby its good but i know you can get a better artifact but it should do as a place holder

    • @jadebayoba7073
      @jadebayoba7073 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since i dont use my koko as critkoko, i would absolutely use it on my Xingqiu, its a rlly good piece

  • @lucienuismybaby5805
    @lucienuismybaby5805 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello!! What is the second song playing in the video?? It sounds sooo nostalgic…is it ffx? Pls lmk

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you mean the third one that's from FFX it's the Bisaid Island music, the second song is Life Will Change from Persona 5

  • @mena9998
    @mena9998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I DID NOT EXPECT THE UNUS ANNUS REFERENCE AT 2:23AM

  • @samibell888
    @samibell888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    " I think we all have that 1 domain that screws us so many times"
    me who screwed by every domain i have been farming : some people are just lucky

  • @victorgoth1904
    @victorgoth1904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In some way, I get how upsetting it can get when you just don't happen to get any decent artifacts BUT I'd say that overall Genshin's grinding system is actually way better than people give it credit. I happen to play Honkai as well and trust me, grinding for stigmata (which is a counterpart for artifacts, kind of) is way longer and the results, while guaranteed and predictable, unlike Genshin, are still not the best ones. Because the most powerful stigmata come from gacha, and there are only a few farmable options currently that are as strong as the gacha-only ones. What I want to say is, while the artifact system in Genshin might seem tedious and unrewarding sometimes, it's actually decent because you at least don't need to waste a ton of crystals to get strong equipment (while in Honkai some valks just straight away can't work without their signature gear).
    It doesn't mean that I dislike Honkai by the way, I'm fine with how both games work, but in comparison Genshin is actually more f2p friendly than Honkai, solely because of its artifacts system (and because it doesn't feature weathers, characters don't really get powercrept and etc. but that's a whole different topic).

    • @shuysnoopy
      @shuysnoopy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I myself had played honkai and honestly I agree with you, but as I remember stigmata system doesn't have all the substat things so when you got it you got it. Its basically like 3 guranteed gachas (also there're some farmable ones like you've mentioned) but in genshin you have 5 non-guranteed gacha for the right gold piece, and then you have another rng on main stat, and then 4 sub stats, and then the upgrades rolls for all the substats, and all of that for 4-5 pieces, and also, resin is limited so yeah...
      Well, your point about its more f2p friendly still stands, but imo its more of a free to grind and suffer and also no easy way out using money lol.

    • @victorgoth1904
      @victorgoth1904 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shuysnoopy now that you mention it… yeah, I’d rather call Genshin free to grind xd
      Honkai does have a similar to substats system called affixes but they are irrelevant until you’re in the highest brackets of the late game abyss. And even then you can reroll them as many times as you have to before getting the right ones

    • @shuysnoopy
      @shuysnoopy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@victorgoth1904 Oh yeah i completely forgot about that system. Most of my characters performed pretty good still without me giving a damn about it so i guess it doesn't really matter that much lol.

  • @Nerdslayer0
    @Nerdslayer0 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome tips ratheil! I hope u add these tips in a follow up vid. I've helped friends with their accts and so many people don't know the treasure they're sleeping on
    1) Getting a 3 sub-stat artifact with Crit rate, crap, and more crap, and unlocking Crit DMG as the 4th stat is the same as having a 3 sub-stat artifact with both Crit rate and Crit DMG.
    With this logic, Ive rolled tons of artifacts that looked like the hydro goblet in the vid, and ended up with a godly 30-35 Crit value.
    2) If it's a Crit circlet, keep in mind that you CAN'T get the same main stat as your sub-stat. So if it's a Crit rate circlet with 3 substats, just try rolling to +4 and see if it gets Crit DMG. You never know, it has the potential for 31.2 Crit DMG in substats.
    3) you also don't lose any artifact XP by throwing a +4 into a new artifact (or maybe you do, but it's a negligible amount). I've used the same +4 fodder about 20+ times before, without it ever going down to +3. Just about everything is worth trying to +4 at least

  • @jestnerm
    @jestnerm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I used to think strongbox was not worth the exp trade for better roll chances, tried it a few times and now most of my 30-40 CV rolls come from it.

  • @JohnJillky
    @JohnJillky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The quickest way, in my experience, to understand what artifacts can be good is to use an optimizer. Many pieces I used to think were meh end up being on my optimal builds. And after equipping like 5 characters for DPS, I can often have 30 and 40 CV pieces left out (usually bc those pieces have no ER)

  • @san8088
    @san8088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dragon spine domain is like wtf domain

  • @Nino-pn4vc
    @Nino-pn4vc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sad thing is that most people spend their resin on artifacts and don't level up weapons and talents...

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah...that's a whole different issue lol

  • @JelloImpact
    @JelloImpact 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the other thing people underestimate is non-crit stats. EM or HP on their hu tao, EM on melt ganyu, ATK and ER or Ayaka
    People go for the highest crit ratio only and if it doesn’t have double crit they don’t care
    People are probably not rolling a lot of artifacts that have Crit and 2 other good stats that could have been a balance addition to their other artifacts and are therefore missing out on good pieces

  • @Frosty-Iruma1969
    @Frosty-Iruma1969 ปีที่แล้ว

    My artifacts are decent if you look at my character profile you will see im not picky but then again there are some times where i got like 2 good pieces in one domain run but either than that if i roll a crit stat that is higher than 10 im gonna find someway to use it. BUT THE GD HYDRO CUP LIKE BRO I HAVENT GOTTEN A HYDRO GOBLET IN 3 MONTHS AND I JUST GOT ONE AND IT HAD NO CRIT STATS HAJKGHRUEKBGRU MY YELAN IS CRYING

  • @OnexLen
    @OnexLen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    whenever I see some flex post about artifact, I always respond with my 42.0% Crit Damage Plume on my Paleflame for eula and that is from way past when the set is firstly introduced, Eula is on leaks that time and I still have not get anything better up until now
    I have many great artifacts but because of all those great sets, my standards are now higher than the average player but I still take it into account whenever someone is asking me about their sets that those hp flat rolls are fine at the start but they'll eventually need to get better sets and by that time, most of them probably know what is good, great and bad sets
    I also have a fight with Peak of Vindagnyr cause when it give me blizzard piece, it's always def and hp, not even worth it for hutao or yunjin

    • @Ratheil
      @Ratheil  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Damn 42%, it's taken me since month 1 of Genshin to even see my first piece get over 30% Crit DMG

    • @OnexLen
      @OnexLen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ratheil yea it's pretty nuts I got so shocked about it
      I have 2 30%+ critdmg one on gladiator and one on thundersoother both on plume
      I guess my plumes are blessed