Which Sci-Fi Faction has the WORST FIGHTER? | Factions Compared: Halo, WH40k, BSG and Star Wars
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ย. 2018
- On today's episode of Sci-Fi Factions Compared, we put the Tie Fighter from Star Wars against the Cylon Raider from Battlestar Galactica, the Fury Interceptor from Warhammer 40,000 and the Seraph from Halo!
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"Makes it closer to a gunship perhaps..."
Welcome to 40K, where your fighters are gunships, your gunships are corvettes, your frigates are cruisers, your cruisers are battlecruisers, your battlecruisers are siege cruisers, carriers, battleships, command ships, and your battleships are taken away by either that kind inquisitor euphorically touching the exterminatus button or those red robed toaster-worshiping bastards from Mars.
There are proper crappy fighters in 40k. See the Chaos talon, it us essentially a one use fighter with the pilot permanently integrated.
@@PatrickOMulligan yup and don't forget anti-fighter guns are designed or at least used against targets several times larger than everyone else on this list and are known for shoddy accuracy so good luck hitting
Warhammer 40k: "Our fighter has perfect aerodynamics, unmatched maneuverability and flies at Mack 50" *fighter is literally a flying brick*
a flying brick can be used to describe almost every space ship from the imperium
I call TIE fighter's flying coffin's
I wouldn't take a tie unless I was flying to buy a different ship
Tie defender arw good
Personally I take a TIE Interceptor over a X-Wing any day. Give me that sweet sweet manoeuvrability.
horus dark I can’t argue with that
But still, the tie series is just bad
TheThomasTea you do know that shields for that ship aren’t standard and they were hard to fly right
Besides I like the arc 170
I would fly a tie. Tie defender
Who needs inertial dampeners? The Emperor Protects!
Honestly that sounds like the author wanted to throw in some nice flavour text to describe how brutal flying those things are.
@@Raven_Frame or the imperium is so technologically backwards it cant even make inwrtial dampners so it has to nearly kill its pilots to even compete
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 The Imperium is still more technologically advanced than we as mortals can understand in our current time. As for inertial dampeners, beyond shock absorbers, there is no such thing in existence today. Taking into account that Sangheili bodies are more dense and capable than your standard human, and that pilots for Sangheili also undergo physical training/augmentation in order to pilot their craft, they may have developed a system for it. However, the Imperium has no such need of a standard human pilot to undergo such changes, as that would be a waste of resources if done en masse, as oppossed to the usage of hundreds of Fury Interceptors with supporting Valkyries, Thunderhawks, Storm Talons, and other fighters, bombers, gunships, and escort craft. The reason the larger ships have acquired these, is because they are each designed to be able to beseige a world, and a Fury is merely an extension of that capability for such vessels as the Dictator Class Cruiser.
TL: DR it's not cost effective to put that level of technology in a fighter that's not expected to survive more than a mission or two, despite the love and care the AdMech of the Imperium put into them.
+@@NathanielEssix+ Also keep in mind that the Space Marines have their own Fury variants, they'd be damn slight more resilient to G-forces (especially with power armor as a flight suit and it's advanced subsystems).
+@@thesocialistsarecoming8565+ Carrier operations are much more difficult to accomplish in the 40K Universe where ship to ship combat takes place at tens of thousands of kilometers.
I think the tie fighter is just the worst compared to the raider at least. The ability to carry and deliver a nuclear payload cannot be emphasised enough.
Given that MC-80 starcruisers are literally refitted civilian vessels... well, a Raider can kill a Colonial liner. A TIE fighter can't kill a Mon Calamari liner.
Should speak volumes about their comparative usefulness.
And their capacity for conventional missiles, that they demonstrated early on (and seemed to forget), was quite formidable. Two were able to annihilate at least an entire squadron. Admittedly their targets had been completely disabled, but that was a lot of missiles for two fighters (which should have been used more).
dont forget that Raiders could FTL Jump which is something the standard TIE cant do so with its optional arsenal and FTL puts the RAIDER ahead of the imperial TIE , SO SAY WE ALL
Nukes aren't that special...
Today they are. In any form of scifi? No.
@@hafor2846 really depends on the scifi , and the explosive potential , a fair amount of Sci fi like BSG, Babylon5, the expanse , HALO ,starship troopers and a slew of other IPs have a Nuclear type option in there arsenals either way , the fact that the raider has optional ordinance which includes WMD type option puts it above TIEs two laser cannons , IMO
Tie fighter is way worse, mainly due to the fact that you cannot see to your sides thanks to those godawful wings. Situational awareness is key in a dog fight.
Totally agree
*You TR and your damned mossies*
@@CallsignYukiMizuki You beautiful, rebelling bastard. So glad someone recognized my colors. Mosquitoes really are a beautifully designed fictional aircraft, as is the Scythe. The Reaver... exists.
@@Tmanowns Glad to see a fellow planetmans :P
Mossies are hella fun to play with in all honesty, not a big fan of Sycthe myself from an aesthetic standpoint (bootleg Cylong raiders), and the Reavers literally looks like a sci-fi helicopter than a fighter Dx
In atmosphere ya buts things are alittle different in space
@@kingxkai1179 situational awareness and seeing out the cockpit will always be important. What if your sensors have a malfunction and you need to land? What if you see something happening before the sensors pick it up (light travels faster than electricity and such) and need to adjust?
Eckhart, which sci-fi faction has the best Cannon Fodder? Compare Star Wars' Stormtroopers & Battle Droids with Halo's Grunts, then with Warhammer 40k's Guardsmen & finally with Starcraft's Zerglings.
The 40k Guardsmen, because they arent actually cannon fodder. Needless or excessive casualties will typically result in punishment for an Imperial commander. And in 99.9999% of war zones, theyre the only ones available given how extremely rare Astartes are. Not mention most true Guardsmen served at least 2-4 years in a planet's PDF and are selected from the best of said PDF. And the months and months of training after that. Battle servitors are your better option as they are used merely to throw into the enemy with 0 expectation of survival.
*Imperium loses 2 billion guardsmen* MORE GUARDSMEN!!!
This sounds like a good showoff.......
@@RandomCommentDue Conscripts on the other hand....
@@captainangel1078 Very true.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (369th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
coming up on infra-red Replicators form SG1 right?
Replicators would demolish everything. Blasters would be useless (like Goa'uld weapons were) and non of the solid shot weapons have the fire rate needed to take out the bugs.
Plus there's the whole if even one is left alive there'll be an army in an hour thing...
Who are the Replicators?
@@valtersplume3726 They are one of the "bad guy" races in the Stargate franchise.
They usually look kinda like Spiders made of mechano. (if you know what that is :D)
They have some similarities to the Borg from star trek. (Ultra adaptability, insane numbers etc.)
Resistance is futile
Androids Compare: Cyberlife, Yorah, Skynet, and Weyland
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I love Detroit become human.
Geth
Doom Slayer Yorah, depends on what cyberlife prototype, skynet, and I don’t know what weyland is
@@odsttrooper3724 Weyland Yutani (Aliens)
Doom Slayer oh shit, for real? Ok, uhh, that makes them last, well in a pure fight at least, but i’m having a really hard time deciding whether skynet is better or cyberlife. Connor is able to take down a team of near-future swat, all by himself while surrounded, but a T-850 vs him would be a tough choice to say which one would win.
The answer to that is starwars those damn flying coffins couldn't even protect the deathstar
Empire relied to much upon quantity over quality.
@Dr_President9
Yep, and the Empire also wanted to ensure that nothing too important would fall into the hands of the Rebels, which is another reason why they didn't put much emphasis on advanced fighter technology (at least not without fail-safes in place, like the TIE Phantom and its remote self-destruct system), or giving them hyperdrive systems (prevent possible deserters / defectors from escaping too easily).
Like just to be able to train on the TIE Defender required a TIE Interceptor pilot to survive 20 difficult missions AND basically had to be fanatically, unquestionably loyal to the Empire.
The TIE Interceptor itself was also pretty much the Empire taking the TIE Advanced X1 and stripping away everything - warhead launchers, extra armor, shields, and hyperdrive - except the enhanced speed and mobility, and the general solar panel shape
Empire would have easily won the Battle of Endor, had the Emperor not held back the reserve Star Destroyers.
The only good tie is the defender
@@Battleguild the galactic empire would have won the entire war if their vehicles have a better design
Another good lore source for the Imperial Fury is the old 40k novel Execution Hour, which follows a few Fury pilots fairly closely. It's one of the few Imperial Navy focused novels I've found but one of my all-time favorite 40k books.
Spartans vs N7 or Pilots (Titanfall) and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines
Yes please
Round 1: spartan's
Round 2: System marine's but UNSC Marine's put up a good fight.
Pilots can do some stupid stuff so I can see one giving a spartan a run for their money
@@Azrael_Equinox I doubt it
@@greaterhalo0659 Simulacrum Pilot would be able to defeat Spartan.
10:15 Cylon Raider "Not as comparability maneuverable?" Sorry Eckhart but I have to stop you there. A Tie fighter was reported to be able to fly circles around a X-wing, that is an impressive feat. However I've never seen a Tie flip and burn on the spot or side strafe across an enemy fighter like the Cylon Raider has been seen capable of doing against Vipers. If anything I'd say the Raider could probably fly circles around the Tie, and I'm Star Wars fan. Raiders also had a FTL drive, so that opened more in operational range as well as mission profile. Tie fighters were heavily reliant on carriers like you said, in that they were severely limited in operational range from their carrier. The biggest advantage I will give the Tie is how long it could fly for, Ties used small vector ion thrusters. And since they didn't require as much fuel they could fly for far longer. The panels could in theory provide enough power to keep the internal systems running and provide a reasonable 35-50% reduction in fuel consumption for the engines alone. What limited the operational time for Ties was lack of environmental control like life support. Tie pilots were literally wearing cheap EVA suits when flying, so they were limited in by how much air they had on their person. Cylon Raiders used a type of fuel that practically all ships in BSG used, but again I do have to point out that they had superior operational range due to their FTL drive. That being said I really have to say the Tie is the worst in design and versatility.
Comparatively maneuverable meaning that ties are very fast and manueverable in their universe, while Raiders arguably are matched by Vipers. Remember, this list is supposed to control for differences of technology in the universesn
@@EckhartsLadder Fair enough, still stand by my choice though just due to actual operational limitations due to design and technical advantages and flaws. And I understand that still falls outside the parameters of the technology differences, but for me I like a slightly wider mission profile and versatility for any ship I was to choose. Great to have some specialty designed craft from time to time, but some versatility can go a long way when you're limited in available resources. And for me, the Raider has that in spades.
Plus there are ships which hold up against the standard tie pretty well so I'd call that even. And still given that, the ties tend to be beaten by the better rebel pilots so that ends up being about equivalent as well. The raiders have a lower target profile and hold up very well against the best fighters their universe has to offer so I think they edge out the tie.
You're right about their FTL drive being a huge advantage. Add that to their missile armaments and the Raider has a significant tactical advantage for what it can be used for.
Unlike BSG, where the Cylons have 2 non-capital ships(3 if you include the advanced raider from Razor, though it fills the same roles as the normal Raider), the Imperial Navy can and does develop role-specific TIE variants, employs other single-seat and multi-crew gunships, corvettes and frigates, as well as unmanned probes for recon.
As a result, the TIE fighter doesn't need versatility, because it has a narrow, defined role. Kind of like the difference between a fighting knife and an entrenching tool; you can kill someone with either of them, but you wouldn't dig a pit to shit in with a fighting knife.
Nah I'm sorry, the Cylon Raider beats the TIE/Ln by miles. Not only does it have a smaller slimmer profile AND the capability to carry missiles and warheads, but the powerful RCS thrusters that fighters have in the BSG universe make it able it to literally turn on a dime. This also enables them to pull off some fancy tricks such as using their forward momentum to keep them moving forward while they can swing around and bring their guns to bear on targets that may be behind them. Add to that the lack of a human pilot, and you don't have to deal with stuff like g-forces....yeah. Raider's got this one. I'd even give it second place.
And it has an FTL drive. Seriously it's more similar to an A-Wing or a Volture droid than a TIE Fighter, and both of them are not bad fighters for their roles.
The list is not supposed to account for this sort of thing. Given Warhammer 40k's overall power, a fury could probably very easily fuck a seraph up. The reason seraphs are ranked higher is because they are known to be better than other fighters within the Halo universe, while furies are not known to be better than other fighters in the Warhammer 40k universe. Cylons and TIES would have been ranked the same way, both being known to be terrible against other fighters in their own universes.
It's not ranked exactly how you think is on how bad they are in there own universe
Luaghs ins Tie/SF
Cylons (second war) vs UNSC (pre war). I WILL NOT STOP
Echo One who’s side would UNSC AI be on?
@@chi7891 I'd just assume the sides would be as they appear, meaning UNSC AI remain UNSC. Cyberwarfare, however, would kind of be a moot point because *AI*.
Echo One it’d be interesting to argue what cyber warfare would be like in this battle. I imagine the UNSC might have a shot with AI on its side. The colonial fleet was completely incompetent. It’s obviously a bad idea to network an entire ship...
I'm pretty certain the UNSC would completely curb-stomp the Cylons. The colonials only had 12 worlds for the toasters to contend with, the UNSC has hundreds (maybe thousands) of worlds, they could win through sheer numbers alone.
They also have better technology, I bet a mere frigate could skewer a Cylon basestar with it's MAC cannon and use it's other weapons to take on another. A more powerful ship would do even better and when you bring in things like Spartans and AI I think they have this in the bag.
The Cylons have a few things going on for them, they seem to have superior FTL, their resurrection abilities, the fact they have human-looking variants (But only 7 models), and the large numbers of raiders their ships can carry, but I still think they wouldn't be much more than a nuisance to the UNSC as a whole.
alaskamark456 I still feel like it would be pretty evenly matched as the cylons have cyberwarfare and long range missiles and tactical FTL which gives them a major advantage in several aspects. The unsc just have numbers.
You could take into account how "costly" the fighters are.
A Cylon Raider needs fuel and ammunition. A Tie Fighter literally just needs sunshine.
The logistics for a Tie fighter is literally just its pilot and the food for the pilot.
That's worth quite a lot.
So because knowledge on the fury "is lacking"... a fury is armed with (at minimum) multiple forward-firing banks of lascannon (antitank weapons) as well as racks of missiles.
The ones in the video have 6 lascannon visible... a salvo of their missiles to pop the shield and that's enough laser fire to core a seraph, regenerating hulls don't help the initial damage burst.
They can also be armed with twin lascannons or multilasers (laser equivalent to 30mm autocannon) in a forward turret. They can also have shielding, and are decently armoured (enough that they can take a few hits before their explodium kicks in)
Lots of big flashlights
If I remember correctly the standard Fury Interceptor Solaris Pattern (original template design) has x2 hull mounted Autocannon port & starboard, x2 wing mounted Lascannon per wing x3 missile hardpoints per wing, x2 hull bomb hardpoints, crew x2 pilot & weapons officer,
I think what he was trying to say that under the wiki page there are over a dozen different variants and not all of the have specs some are just named. 40k hasn't really flushed out its lore on strike craft. They mostly focus on bigger ships.
@@brothersgt.grauwolff6716 My info came from the wiki page, that sounds like sourcebook material. Either way it's impressive for a fighter :)
@@kenneyshepard4511 That's true.
My favorites is Warhammer 40k And halo and StarCraft. The worst fighter is the tie fighter. I wish the galactic empire could've done better to beat the rebels.
@@JediAcolyte94 True
@@JediAcolyte94 which is the main problem. Because with every lost Tie fighter, the Empire actually loses one valuable pilot aswell.
Producing a fighter is easy and doesnt take too much time really, probably around a week or two maybe.
But having to train a pilot? You have wait some 16-20 years and probably invest some further 2ish years into training said pilot, this of course coupled with the costs of training.
There isnt really any reason even in universe for why the Tie's are so crappy.
@@powerflumi Yep, the empire had the most well trained pilots but the imperial beuracracy did'nt put too much stock into them.
A person that likes BOTH 40K *AND* Starcraft!?!
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Even if the Empire couldn't afford better fighters for the entire military increasing the availability of upgraded or improved TIE models like the Hunter or Defender to veteran/special units would have been well worth the investment.
Well, I call TIE fighters eco-friendly flying coffins. Save the enviroment!
"Save the environment, not our pilots" - the Emperor, probably
Ryan M gotta stop galactic warming
pretty sure their fuel is highly radioactive
Your videos are such a chill thing for me. I come home from school with stress and then I watch you videos about a genre I love. Then you have the amazing music in the back. You introduced me to Home when I started watching you back in the summer. Thanks for the great content man!!
TIE fighters' lack of shields and guided missiles aren't really much of a downside in the SW universe. They certainly don't seem to help the X- or Y-Wings that have them very much. Since most fighters' weapons are forward-firing, the battle depends more on getting behind the opponent - which is a lot easier to do for the side whose fighters are faster and more maneuverable. Consider how a bare handful of TIEs, possibly a single squadron, was able to shoot down 27 of the 30 Rebel fighters that attacked the Death Star in the space of a couple minutes.
The lack of hyperspace isn't as much of a limit as it seems, either, since it means you're never facing _just_ a TIE fighter: you'll also have to dance around the other, much larger and tougher targets that brought the TIE to the battle. Launching raids is easier, too, since TIE pilots are generally not in the position of being stuck in a cramped cockpit for hours of hyperspace travel before dropping straight into a fight for their lives. And if they do somehow get shot down by slower, more sluggish fighters like X-Wings, TIE pilots are (unlike their Rebel counterparts) already in sealed space suits - and there's a bigger, better-defended allied ship already right there to rescue them.
A Rebel pilot who ejects, though? Even if he somehow gets his flight suit's helmet and glove seals in place in time, he's still screwed: no one's coming to help him. He was on a raid in enemy territory, and used his hyperdrive to get there rather than a mothership. Even if they wanted to help, the other Rebel fighters can't do pickups of downed pilots, so all his friends lit up their hyperdrives and escaped. The Imperials might "rescue" him, but that usually means he isn't in for a fun time.
"The lack of hyperspace isn't as much of a limit as it seems"
Also there's the TIE/Scout and hyperspace carriages available for TIEs if you *really* want that capability.
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Another great video as always love the content and the music
so, best basic infantry weapon? e-11 blaster, imperial lasrifle, halo MA-37 Assault rifle, Colonial marine corp m41 pulse carbine
Its gotta be the M41. It's like a mini bolter.
Oooooh I like this I hope Eck makes a video on this.
Lasgun hits its target instanteneously unlike the other guns
Perfect against Jedi and Aliens
Lasguns hit enemies behind cover
Blasters are useless against light cover (trees, sand, boxes)
While nearly all the other standard weapons in 40k surpass it for destructive output, the Lasgun would be adored by any modern military. Enough energy for about 100 limb severing shots, practically no flight time over any range it could be expected to fire at, very few moving parts, variable intensity and fire rates (on some models), and the power packs can be recharged by sunlight or, in a pinch, tossed in a campfire.
I vote the P-90 but really I vote for a Sterling, badly designed bullpup, and a Thompson mated to a spas 12 or Remington 870.
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If you want some more knowledge on the Fury, Read up the Gothic War, Battlefleet Gothic Original paper Rulebooks, Battlefleet Koronus. :)
Or just the Lexicanum or Wiki. All the info he used for the other fighters are there is there.
@@RandomCommentDue That only takes snippets from the rulebooks. Half of the stats aren't even mentioned in the Wiki's or Lexicanum pages. ^^
he won't
@@DCPTF2 Ah well i'm afraid that's HP. ..... His Problem :)
Never played the tabletop, but those fury interceptors have saved my buns plenty of times in BFG Armada.
So I just thought of a super easy modification to the TIE Fighter that could make it a bit better:
Literally just take the cockpit and rotate it 90 degrees so that instead of having the two big solar panels at the sides, they are now above and below the pilot. Instead of blocking the pilot’s vision on the sides, it would block their vision above and below them. But the thing is that humans have a much wider field of vision horizontally than we do vertically. And it probably wouldn’t cost very much to modify.
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"Being 40k, we dont know much about the Fury's specifications"
Im sorry Eck but did you even TRY to look? Just go onto the 40k lexicanum and literally all the technical specifications you used for the other fighters are described outright in a nice table.
Also; small mistake in the description, you said the TIE fighter from HALO.
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Might have been mentioned, but in the TIE fighter game, the TIE fighter could be fitted with warhead launchers and eventually did receive shielding during the Thrawn era
Covenant fighters were often outnumbered because the UNSC fleet only (willingly) gave battle when they had overwhelming numbers on their side, to help counteract the Covenant's technological superiority.
the description says "Tie-figther from Halo"
You don't remember the
"Tie-figther"? You weren't blinded by it's majesty?
He fixed the typo...
Yet the typo was able to evade your spell check; post to the sacred description field AND DESECRATE IT WITH ITS FILTHY INACCURACY!
*Tie was you're ally human, but now it has abandoned you...*
How about a video on the best/worst atmospheric ships from different factions eg: Falcon or Hornet from Halo Reach and 3
Loved the video! Emperor class battleship vs executor super star destroyer?
Since there wasn't background music in this video I just pulled up Eck's music playlist and let it play quietly in the background. I almost forgot that the music wasn't in the video until near the outro because it fit so well with what was happening.
I feel like 40k should of been represented by Thunderbolt Fighters, they are more iconic and less of a gunship than Furries
BC-304 Daedalus(Star Gate) vs UNSC Infinity(Halo)
Great video! I've harped on you your last few videos for your lack of 40k knowledge but this time you nailed it. The Fury can be made or turned into anything they need. For instance, some imperial guard units have versions specifically for in atmo use. It is just hard to find much info on it too. I've been trying to make a Space Engineers replica but its hard to do with only a few drawings available. Still, great video. would've ranked them in the same order.
Thanks for the video - Where's the footage from, with the spacehsip at 0:49 - 0:58
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Godzilla 2014 vs the Modern World
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We can barley survive the SJW's.
Let them fight...
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The whole concept of "Made a fighter with only short range guns, without range, missiles/bombs" because we out-turn them is very far than our IRL ideas about air war. Even the nimblest dogfighter have zero chance about a missile salvo, fired from 100 miles away, from an Stealth fighter, supported by an AWACS. Also, this nimble fighter are also could do nothing against a heavy bomber, an armed transport/gunship, a tank, or a small warship. Imagine a real aircraft without any hard-point, without long range radar, drop tank, any armor, self-sealing fuel tank, fire-supression system. Armed with a GS-23 twin cannon only. And cca. 2 mach top speed. Could out-turn everything? Yes. But every single enemy just kill them with missiles, without any risk to return fire. Even an jeep with an .50 cal could kill this "fighter"...Man, imagine a poor lad with a knife, wearing only a toga, running after horseback archers, knights, or attacking a testudo...not best survival rate even in a Total War game...:)
Sounds like the glory days of the A6M have since long gone; that whole thing about radar, drop tank, armor, self-sealing tanks, and Fire suppression reminded me of the Zero a lot!
@@williamnixon3994 same, then again US fighters didnt have missiles so its pretty decent craft of its time, but man it was nimble.
Vietnam problems are more difficult. Before the war, most us pilot have very little actual experience about missile using...very few of the F-4 pilots actually fired a live Sparrow missile. Also, the higher-ups decided that missiles only allowed to fire after the pilot made a close visual identification, friend or foe...Great idea.(IFF systems are in use since WWII.) Also new generation of pilots are untrained in air combat. Interesting, Israeli Air Force pilots are very dangerous opponents with Mirages/ Mirage clones and F-4Es. The F-4E with cannon are more heavy than a B/C/D Phantom...
Also, don't forget. Experiences shown, that 85% of air-to-air victories are made by only 10-15% of pilots. Even in WWII. So, this is why most professional AF decides that needed a smaller number of pilots, only the best cadets are selected, and they are specially trained(even in peacetime), well payed, and equipped with the best tech. Like every elite troops. Aerial cannon-fodders are interesting idea-mostly one way kamikazes, so missiles with human pilots. But i think TIE Bomber like machines are better this work...
You do also need to factor in that the laser cannons used on TIEs are powerful enough to take down shields and damage capital ship armour - in large enough volleys. They're not a valid 1:1 equivalent of the kind of guns you saw on WWII fighter planes or even something like the A-10's 30mm gatling gun. It's like having a fighter with a couple of fully-capable (small) anti-ship guns strapped onto it in place of normal machineguns. And functionally infinite ammo for them as well as magically not having any trouble managing the recoil.
Oh, and the fact that in the Star Wars universe, the accuracy of long-range ordnance isn't sufficient to negate the "we out-turn them" argument against missiles. It's not realistic because real-world considerations don't translate to the setting. I suspect the fact that Star Wars fighters don't have to obey physics might have something to do with it - if their missiles and other heavy weapons do, that could explain their ineffectiveness against small targets.
A great video as always, Eck! My question for you is if we were to see the story of Tarre Vizla and his role in Mandalorian history, what do you think would be the best media format for that story?
Apparently the TIEs also had pretty decent electronics; sensors, electronic airfare and countermeasures which was something of a defence against missiles and part of the reason why they were so rarely used in dogfighting not to mention the reason why it takes so long to get a lock on to them with lasers.
Also? Halo Warfleet... I did not know this book was a thing. I need it in my life. Thank you for the heads up it exists!
It sucks that TIE Pilots couldn’t get to use Cylon Raiders, and and vice versa to the Raider personality. I don’t think the TIEs would be so terrible if they were truly disposable. I mean, you’re going to go out of your way to recruit and train the best of the best. And put them in the cheapest thing you can make fly and shoot?
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I think the Imperial Thunderbolt fighter is the more accurate comparison, a good deal of info about which you can find in the Dan Abnett novel Double Eagle. The Fury is quite rightly described here as a small gunship, while the Thunderbolt is an air/space superiority fighter and Imperial Lightning is a lighter and faster interceptor; both of which are single-crew. Love these videos, and your zeal for including WH40k!
I love the Halo stuff mostly. SW cool too. More of that stuff plz. Love your intro music too. Always makes me imagine listening to you discuss my fantasy world
Best mainline mech: UN Spacey( SDF Macross) vs Earth Federation( UC Gundam) vs the Clans( Battletech) vs BARAHM( Zone Of the Enders).
How about Hammond from Titanfall?
The clans would be torn apart. The are simply not as mobile. Also, which clan mech?
Which veritech? Makes a bit of a difference from say a vf1 Valkyrie or a vf4 lightning III and something later like a vf-19 or something from macross frontier
@@Thunderous117 Valkyrie and honestly all is his choice since its ultimately to branch off his sci fi knowledge.
@@lightfootjpauls well I think during the events of early Post star league frachure.
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No its not. Look you and i both know if we had a chance we would but we cant. Spiral power is just something that dosent exist not to mention the sheer amount of resources to create something that big
Chris Kye exactly, ik spiral energy isnt real but a brother can only dream cant he? :)
@@braixendon5496 maybe with another type of energy since the universe is vast asf we could one day discover a completely new type of energies maybe even in one of the planets of our solar system
Hey eck, were you to havr your own shipyard and be handed an isd1 or 2 to *fix what kind of specific improvements would you make?
Hey Eck, always appreciate the videos! Would love to hear your thoughts on the rebellion using ARC-170 fighters at Yavin. Personal thought, a rear gunner and specific weapons offixer would have been ideal. Thanks for the content
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Also, TiE class ships were repeatedly mentioned to be poor in atmosphere because the large side profile made them draggy in turns and vulnerable to crosswinds.
Question for clarification: your comment on the end about Tarkin and the Empire's rank structure, is that mostly based on Legends lore or is there Canon support for it?
I don't mean to disregard the other merits of the Fury Interceptor, but I don't think it can be overstated how much the lack of an inertial dampening system would hurt it in actual combat.
In real world dogfights, a fighter plane's movements are severely limited by the pilot's difficulty to remain conscious while performing even the most basic manoeuvres at high speed, hence the need for specialist equipment such as pressure suits, and even then, they are unable to fly their vehicle to its fullest potential.
In space, this problem would become even more apparent due to the greater speeds (and therefore accelerations) being allowed thanks to the lack of air resistance or any real obstacles (such as the ground).
If two identical space fighters with pilots of equal skill were to engage in a dogfight, one with inertial dampening systems enabled, and the other without, the battle would be incredibly one-sided.
The fighter with it's ID's enabled would be able to accelerate much faster, manoeuvre quicker and more effectively, and the pilot would suffer no adverse effects from any of these more intense movements, in stark contrast to the pilot without their ID's active.
Again, I don't mean to state the Fury is a poor fighter or doesn't do its job well, but if you were to pit it against even a sub par craft with ID's, it would find itself struggling to keep up.
With regards to the other fighters on this list, I am unsure if they have an inertial dampening system, but given that they can pull off some impressive manoeuvres without the need for a pressure suit or other system would suggest that they do.
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I understand the purpose of the video was not to determine which fighter would win in 1-1 combat, but I felt the need to point out how much of a difference inertial dampening systems would make, considering how it was only briefly mentioned in the video.
The Fury does not lack dampening technology. In 40k it's called Suspensor technology and it's built into the crews suits. Also in 40k no one even gets near a Fury unless they have a proven ability to withstand massive amounts of G. The crew are also likely to be cybernetically enhanced (to the point where they might not even be able to disconnect from their vehicle) in order to make them even better at their jobs.
When I say "Inertial dampeners" I mean a piece of sci-fi technology that essentially removes (or at the very least mitigates) the feeling of acceleration from the perspective of those inside the space craft so that, when you make a really sharp turn, you fell almost exactly the same as if you were just flying in a straight line under no acceleration, so technology like pressure suits would not count under this description.
You'll have to forgive my lack of knowledge regarding the wider 40K lore, but, as I understand it, the Fury does not possess such a system and would therefore suffer compared to other fighters.
Having said that, I will acknowledge that the enhancements to people in 40K are absolutely ludicrous, so it's not much of a leap to state that they can basically ignore the g-forces rather than cancel them out.
Of course, that doesn't remove the Fury's problem, but I'll admit that, in universe at least, it is a problem that has been mostly solved.
@@A3000Armo 40k is a massive and complicated bit of lore even for fans who have been into it for a long time. But the Fury definitely has Suspensor tech which reduces the mass of individual crew members making them less susceptible to g forces and acceleration although it is a case of it mitigating these forces rather than removing them entirely.
@@A3000Armo
And, it should be noted, that if you have artificial gravity, you basically have inertial dampeners.
"reduces the mass of individual crew members making them less susceptible to g forces and acceleration"
Hmm. That could possibly work if it doesn't also reduce material strength. Mass dampening is certainly a very useful technology, even if it is more trek than usual for 40k.
Anyways, I *believe* the only mention of inertial dampeners in 40k craft is that book Eck cited... saying they don't have them. 40k be inconsistent.
Eck, what would you consider to be the best ship to ship weapon? (I consider MAC cannons and Mass Drivers to be the best)
Considering they are really underpowered compared to 40k and star wars no
@@the_dropbear4392 Aye. Maybe Nova Cannons ? As most wh40k ships from cruisers have it ? I mean its a strong big boom weapon. Turbolasers don't do that much as a real manly kinetic slug.
@@almightybogza
Macro canons have valve that put them above the damage of a Smac
It's much easier to hurl the energy via kinetics than energy weapons. Referring to mass effect, if you hurl several ton round near the speed of light, when smashes into a planet it will be a Extinction level event.
And Warhammer macro weapons are propel using conventional means, so they are must slower. Going into space, take gauss or rail guns
@@joshuawilliams9020
Mass effect weapons are kilotons level.
40k macrocanons can destoy continenets and have calc putting a single macro canon at hundreds of Gigatonnes
Exkharts are you gonna do a part 2 for the covie CSO vs empire SSD?
Could you do a video analyzing the Starhawks from the Star Carrier series?
Hey Eck do an Elite Dangerous starships video please
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please eck
Locust from gears of war vs combine from HL2
Combine enslave and turn the entire locusts into cyborg
Luv yer work!
Love the video and 3rd time trying but were there any pros to imperial rule compared to other factions I would like to hear your opinion on this topic?
Warhammer not number 1?
The Emperor will be displeased.
40k universe still has the ork fighter the thing only flies because they believe it will
Forget the God Emperor the Adeptus Mechanicus will be furious they'll rouse the Machine Spirits of the Legio Titanicus to war against Eckharts channel 😆
Before you send those titans in, tell them given the information about it Stats then.
@@brothersgt.grauwolff6716 Oh come on! Eckhart didn't have enough information on where to put Fury Interceptor on the list, therefore he's having a hard time deciding where it should be.
To be fair,the Covenant Seraph is an exceptionnally good fighter,it's the kind of fighter you'd see at the spot of top tier elite fighters in other universes.
The only drawback is that they are really not numerous comparatively.The covenant fleets outnumber the UNSC ten to one,yet the Longsword fighters largely outnumber Seraphs.It's a clear case of the Covenant putting quality before quantity,and that's why Seraphs are seen as pretty much sacred for their pilots
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Hey Eck if you could be the captain of any ship in any sci fi universe what would you captain? For me it would either be the MC90 or the Mediator class battlecrusier
Hey Eck, what do you think Thrawn would have used Centerpoint station for had he discovered how to use it?
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Not yet! :)
@@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 it's treason, then
not if anything to say about it i have
Come to the discord more often
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I wish you would have mentioned placement of the guns! Specifically on the X-wing vs the Tie, the placement of guns affects how easily it is to get shots on target
The TIE fighter is best described as a space analogue of the Japanese A6M "Zero" fighter plane. A light and nimble dogfighter, with decent hitting armament but easy to turn into a fireball. The X-wing and A-wings are equivalent to American fighter planes like the Grumman Hellcat and North American P-51D which balanced power, speed, armor and armaments emphasizing survivability and power dive attacks. It's sort of unsurprising considering Lucas took a lot from WWII aerial footage.
Why no Thunderbolt and Starfury from B5?
@Jake Langford if you read the title it says "WORST" Fighter not the best
Because its a list of the worst fighters, not the BEST. The Starfury was so good NASA wanted to borrow the design at one point.
Thunderbolt is more of an atmospheric fighter rather than a workhorse interceptor of the imperial navy
The Fury is in an interesting place here: It's an Imperium design, and therefore absolute trash compared to everyone else in the same universe (to say nothing of weirdly placed next to the others) but... actually quite a decent craft. It has *turrets*, and maybe even missiles. Those lascannon turrets are gonna be quite effective - certainly as much as anything the Imperium can put out, and there's nothing really wrong with it that can't be said about every Imperial design. The large open cockpit is an obvious flaw, but only the Seraph lacks that.
Could the Imperium build a better fighter, while remaining the Imperium? Perhaps, the forward-mounted guns are a bit pointless. Maybe add a ventral lascannon turret, perhaps mix in some hydra flak cannons, eliminate the wings and hold the rockets closer to the hull. In a perfect world you might consider a void shield or at least something like an ion shield, but that's probably not gonna happen. Oh, and put that inertial dampener in if it's even sort of an option.
The Seraph is pretty much an un-objectionable fighter. Not too bloated, not to fragile, no obvious flaws. It doesn't even have a window! Perhaps a lack of long-range standoff weapons.
The Raider is a solid, versatile craft, but only okay. It's cheap and has that lovely FTL capability, but nothing really stands out - except its resurrection ability, which is a universal cylon ability. Pretty much any cylon craft will have this, so it's kind of unfair to count it as an advantage. Yes, its AI-brain isn't good, but it's not like the Cylons had an abundance of skilled pilots.
Now, the Tie Fighter. In theory, it's not a bad craft. While fragile, pilot survivability is actually decent, and it can use its maneuverability and power to seize the advantage against tougher, more powerful craft. The lack of any possibility of equipping torpedoes is a serious disadvantage, though, and it has a fundamental flaw, tied in deeply with its canon: it makes serious engineering compromises to achieve its virtues... but *no other craft in the universe needs to make these compromises*. The A-wing is faster than the TIE/ln, and it doesn't need to give anything up to do so. It's not even that much more expensive. In other words, the TIE is compromised not by its own flaws, but because it pays a cost that no one else need pay.
Eck! i got a group in an Age of rebellion game and i would like to know, what did the Rebellion do with Clone war battle droids. (B1's and B2's really)
Hello EckhartsLadder. Do you think you’ll ever expand on the Starcraft universe? I would love to see videos on the Protoss or Zerg
Let's look at it from an economical standpoint. A raider is far more economical, as it takes less to grow and drop a cylon into a body than a pilot into a cockpit.
If it comes to swarm tactics, you want the least expensive, and raiders outclass the TIEs.
Spacedock noted that even the Vulture droids were better then TIEs. ain't that funny
Yeh but in a battle against a capital ship vulture droids go for the usual targets like shields weapons and once those targets are disabled they dont really know what to do because the idea of using the vulture droids by the CIS was to use overwhelming numbers on capital ships, so if a battle dragged out eventually the vulture droids sorta didnt really know what to do well according to one one of the thrawn novels i read.... i may have misread tho...... honestly i would assume that a raider would really be on par with a vulture droid just with a bit more of an ability to take a little more initiative
@@Predator42ID Yeah. CIS cannon fodder best cannon fodder.
@Maintenance Renegade the TIE is not bad for a swarm fighter, BUT it's pilot is a different story.
You're looking at it from a tactical perspective, I'm looking from an economical one.
You spend three years training pilots, this I know from the book "Lost Stars". This is because they had to train them in practically everything in the Imperial Academy.
Three years of food, dorms, studies, material expenses etc; for thousands of students.
Again, from a tactical view, a swarm of TIE would be... Quite an improvement, but not from an economical one.
@Maintenance Renegade
This is why we take the fighters as is, rather than think on the improvements.
As easily as you said all those improvements that could make the TIE better, just adding a bit of intelligence to the Raider would make it far better.
Also, if you add torp tubes, and shields, you make it quite more expensive, breaking the entire premise of cheap, swarm tactics.
I get what you saying, but I gotta reel it back cause of the "What if" scenario.
Raider is better than TIE economically speaking, and does the swarm tactic role better.
Also fun fact in Halo the UNSC remarked that Elite Seraph pilots were normally easier to kill because they tended to get over confident and break formation to chase targets whereas Brute pilots were known to keep formation with the pack mentally and even give unique paint jobs to differentiate them from Elite pilots. The UNSC feared the Brute pilots over the Elite pilots because of this.
That is so shocking to hear brutes beating elites in naval warfare for once lol
@@excellent_o_excrement2460
Yeah it is lol
Hey eck awesome video, hoping you put this question up on your next video. How do you think the battle of endor would've concluded had palpatine survived, but the DS2 was still destroyed, and what would palpatine do following the battle.
Hey great vid as always! But how useful are fighters in space combat anyways? At least in a more realistic setting, or heck even the franchise universe. And what about big ships? There is kinda a debate about it, some say the bigger the better, but it makes sense? Would love to know your thoughts about it!
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See worst in title. -_-
If it makes u feel any better.... a basestar vs a star destroyer in ship to ship combat would have the basestar as the victor, considering they can take a hell of a beating and each spire on the basestar has about 50 missile launchers that can fire standard ship to ship missiles, standard nuclear missiles and cluster nuclear missiles where as a star destroyer has 6 main heavy cannon batteries about and about 125 turbo and ion cannon batteries...... a basestar would destroy a star destroyer in one salvo even without fighters, but including fighters i wouldnt make much difference for the empire i mean what? 20 ties vs 200 raiders?
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Sweet vid Eckhart.
My question for you, how successful do you think Vader would've been if he had ended up killing both Luke and Palpatine and tried to lead the empire or lead his own warlord sect?
so i've been thinking a lot lately about qat kristac and the strategies used in the battle and thought to myself, how would i take on a MC80? so my question is:
a.) thrawn pincer
b.) a wing slash
c.) smash the hell out of it with a turbolaser
or
d.) hyperspace ram it with a corvette
SkyNet vs The Flood
198th Attempt
Scenario: SkyNet beats the resistance, and after that it is alerted of the Flood coming to Earth, and it is given a basic rundown on what the Flood is and what it does, it gets 3 Years to militarize and prepare for the Floods arrival,
The Flood will arrive using High Charity's, including it's fleets, weapons, and so on, in Scenario 1a it gets 5 High Charity's, in Scenario 1b it gets 10 High Charity's, and in Scenario 1c it gets 20 High Charities,
The Flood may not use the Logic Plague on SkyNet,
SkyNet may not travel back in time and just constantly give pre-Flood War SkyNet better and better stuff and information,
If SkyNet can survive until Scenario 1c then I personally say that it would win, although if that is not enough each scenario could in fact be a wave that SkyNet has to destroy, which would make 35 High Charity's in total, and each wave would come a week after the wave before it was totally destroyed, giving SkyNet the chance to regroup and analyze whatever data it received from the battle, whether it be more efficient ways to kill Flood Forms or even gathering and using/reverse engineering Covenant Technology for its own use,
Alex Mercer vs DoomSlayer
@@greaterhalo0659 I have been asked this before, and I have had a bit more time to think about it,
Since DoomSlayer is presumably human, it it likely that he does have some remaining human weaknesses, one of those being concussions, and a free floating brain, so Alex Mercer could potentially knock his head constantly over and over again until DoomSlayers brain hit his skull so much that he went unconscious, maybe even went into a coma, or possibly even died,
While DoomSlayer would be a relatively fierce opponent, I'd give the win to Alex Mercer
@@itsyaboidaniel2919 Nope Doom slayes skeleton is described as being unbreakable in lore and his mind is said to be nothing but blind furry that cannot be put to sleep he will always have hatred for demons and the angels that blessed him made it pretty much impossible for the slayer to get hungry, tired, feel fatigue or get knocked out plus even if Mercer did knock him out (some how) then who's to say slayer won't just get right back up and blow mercer into flaming bits with the BFG or guass canon.
@@itsyaboidaniel2919 DoomSlayer would win
@@greaterhalo0659 I have heard of his suit being seemingly unbreakable (although it isn't, because if it was then there wouldn't be any scratch marks or burn marks on it), but I didn't hear anything about his bones, so if you could say where this is said then that would be great,
I think we all know DoomSlayer is full of hatred,
fury*
I never saw anything about Doom Slayer being blessed with not being able to be knocked unconscious,
What's going to stop Doom Slayer from getting right back up is him being knocked unconscious, so he can't do anything, which means Mercer can do as he pleases, and could keep beating him and beating him over and over again until his brain turns to mush inside of his skull,
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Which Sci-Fi faction do you think has the best dropship, like the UNSC Pelican, Colonial Raptor, or the Republic LAAT/i Gunship?
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though.
Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: one-hundred-five times.
45 veiws... I have never been so early...
THE RESISTANCE!!!!!
BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T DO ANYTHING USEFUL IN THE LAST JEDI!!!
ASLO, IT WAS THE WORST STAR WARS MOVIE EVER MADE!!!
FACT!!!!!
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Nick Technubyte umm, attack of the clones here
Eh, Force Awakens was worse
Nice b8
@@ethanhatcher5533 Nope, my genuine opinion. At least Last Jedi did something new instead of just ripping off the previous ones.
Hi, could you do a versus with the GTVA Colossus from freespace 2
If Tarkin didn't get the assignment of commanding the death star, he would be an possible warlord post-Endor.
Eckhart, what do you think the outcome would have been had Vader not died from his injuries on the second death star? What would Luke and Vader's relationship have been like? How would the new republic view him? Etc. Love your channel btw!
I'd like to see how the Dominion Jem-Hadar fighter would compare to the others in your video.
Quick question: Why do you never include Homeworld onto your comparisons?
We see now from the mandolorian that later ties had folding wings that doubled as landing gear
Someone knows if the UNSC has some new fighters with the tecnology used on Infinity?
While I enjoyed the in-depth analysis of the Covenant seraph, I was honestly hoping that the UNSC longsword would be the submission for the Halo universe. It would’ve led to a more fair/level playing field, especially compared to the well-armed and well-defended/-shielded seraph.
EckhartsLadder, I want to ask if General Grievous is perfect Vong hunter?
Eck please make a video showing your star wars collection !
What's the game thing in the background?