I just want to endorse that video for anyone who is still struggling to find their undertone and/or match their foundation. It really helped me. It's like a master class in five minutes. Watch it, if you haven't.
Thank you! This was so helpful. Would you consider talking about contour? So many people use bronzers and that’s not where I want to go. Also, I always hear that there is a rule of thumb about using a concealer as a contour - but I can’t seem to get it right.
@RobertWelsh please help as I am sure that I can not be the only person with my problem. Thank you. I, like many others I am sure, would love to know a company that has olive options that don't start at medium or tan darkness. I am a pale neutral olive during winter and a light neutral olive during summer. I can tan without burning unless I am out in the sun for hours without sunscreen. I look good in all metals even if I prefer one more than others. I have green, purple, blue veins all over my body where they show. The few makeup matching professionals I have seen for color matching agree with me but admit that they too do not know of a brand I can shop from. I have had a few tell me to mix green into my neutral foundations that I deal with but it never seems to work out for me to get a constant color each time nor do I have the actual time to do this everyday. Can you help us (me) out? Even if it is a small indi brand or super expensive so long as I can find my shade I think I would cry tears of joy after 30+ years of looking.
I think the girl that is convinced the foundation isn’t the right match is someone who doesn’t actually want full coverage. It’s a perfect match, but maybe she’s wanting more of a bb cream?
People forget foundation is literally a base that is meant to perfect your skin and match exactly. You add colour with BRONZER, BLUSH, CONTOUR. Not foundation!
I remember telling my mom she should stop getting pink foundation because her skin leans more yellow and she said "so you want me to make my face MORE yellow?!!" I explained to her what you said and thankfully now she gets her right color
Yes exactly. I definitely get the vibe from this girl that she thinks foundation is supposed to be a one and done situation. Glad the people commenting are steering her in the right direction.
That first girl has pale olive skin. She’s lucky she was given such a perfect match because they’re almost impossible to find. For some reason the cosmetics industry thinks olive equals tan. It doesn’t. Olive is an undertone and anyone can have it. Please make cosmetics for us pale green people! She may not like how she looks because pale olive skin can look terminal without any blush or lip colour. Also, olive tones really show their best with a slightly glowy, sheer finish, since our olive tone provides natural contour. I need a pale neutral olive-yellow, not olive warm (orange) or olive cool (grey or pink). If anyone can recommend a good fair olive-yellow foundation, BB cream, or concealer, please let me know. I’d be so grateful because I still haven’t found a match.
Neutrogena has a color correcting powder that’s green and yellow. It’s perfect for canceling out redness, but a bit too yellow for me you might like it!!
I'm so happy that Alexandra Anele's recommendation to try Revlon's Colorstay foundation in the shade buff worked for me! My face is slightly darker than the shade buff, because it's summer right now and haven't been too diligent in reapplying sunscreen 😬, but when I compare the shade buff to the portions of my skin that doesn't get as much sunlight exposure and I can definitely say that it's one of the best drugstore foundations for pale, olive skintones. Alexandra Anele uses the shade buff in the dry/normal skin version because she wants a dewy look but I found that the shade buff is just as olive in the combination/oily skin version. I hope this helps because a lot of companies, especially drugstore companies, rarely make foundations and concealers for pale, olive skintones 💚
I didn't know I had an olive tone until I tried a foundation my mom gave me and it was waaaaay to yellow on me so added a little bit of blue color correct to try and fix the yellow making it look a little green and was like well I'm not wasting makeup and put it on then I was like oh that's actually not bad lololol
I'm very greenish and basically everything looks on my face orange or yellow. I use Everyday minerals makeup, their neutral shades are fitting (it's possible to buy small tester and match with it... I did that some time ago and it fits well).
I'm a fair-skinned redhead, and you're right, that I used to be shocked/offended when people told me how pale I am. But on top of that, they'd say that I needed to go to the beach to get some color. I now embrace my natural color, as should we all 💗
As a redhead, I've heard this MANY times. I always look at them like they're crazy and say, "You realize natural redheads don't tan at all, right?" That shuts them up every time, LOL.
I asked at a MAC store once for them to colour match me. They put an extremely warm yellow foundation 3 shades too dark on me, and when I told them to try again their response was "But don't you want to warm up your complexion?". Not with my foundation, kiddo.
Same thing happened to me. I'm vampire pale and I was at a counter a few years ago getting my foundation matched and they picked the lightest, palest shade they had (which fit me) and then they got a shade that was three shades darker with a very yellow tan undertone. Literally got the same sort of response as you with 'don't you want a more glowy tanned look?' My face was a completely different shade to the rest of me!
I'm very fair and had MAC at Ulta match me. They told me I was N something 27. When I got in my car and looked in the mirror it looked like I had brown dirt on my face.
Back in 89, I got to feel what darker skin toned people feel like. A lovely African American girl at Shiseido made me orange. I was walking home, praying that I would nor rub into anyone I knew and there were no photos.
Look at how many "MUAs" take Judy D's fair skin and put yellow foundation on her, with no attention paid to detail- even when they tell her themselves that she's very fair!
Omg yes... I mix in some green color corrector when "neutral" foundation looks pink on me an blue when It's yellow/orange😂 (I am light/light medium neutral olive)
When I learned to do makeup with a celebrity makeup artist, she was EXCELLENT at teaching, but had just 2 or 3 shades to practice. So, I took it upon myself to buy a palette of foundations and made it my goal to skin-match every client. Years later, working as a makeup instructor, my students are surprised to learn that I dedicate so much teaching time to foundation matching as opposed to eye looks. The eye looks are just like fashion trends. They change. Your skin is your SKIN and will never change. This is such a splendid video, with a great explanation. Thank you so much!
Thank you for allowing everyone to be who they are 💖 I'm a super cool-toned person with cool hair & eyes, yellows, golden, peach or orange looks ridiculous on me. I keep trying to customize my foundations with color correctors but blue makes them olive and light pink just lightens them. I find a dark cool brown helps to cool it but then it's too dark 🙄 I need that grayish beige tone (like old CYO 106). Should I try to find a cream red to add to my neutral or peach masking as cool foundations? I'm closest to NW25 but still not cool enough or Estee 3C3 (too dark), La Mer 210 is close. Thanks for any advice 🤍 Ps... I wrote a big long comment if you want to see other references, it's my hot button! 🥴
One reason I hate when brands disappear. You finally find the perfect shade and then they’re gone and you have to start over. Not to mention some places have HORRIBLE lighting.
Tell me about it! I went on a makeup hiatus and came back to the only foundation that was an exact match for me being discontinued. And the to make it worse none of the foundation finders had it listed either. Now I’m back at square 1😅
I'm sympathetic to the tiktok person because the first time I got full-coverage foundation matched, I also thought I looked dead. Literally had the thought "OH this is why people buy blush!" 💀
@@BOUJEEBOGANBADBITCHQUEENgirl, no. Blush is worn in some Gothic makeup looks, just not bubblegum pink colors. Usually it's more angular to emphasize that gaunt look.
lol same! I bought some full coverage that made me look like a ghost! As soon as I switched to a tinted moisturizer it was so much nicer and made me feel like I had just the right amount of coverage! Oh also I think people should prioritize concealer and color correction over foundation!!
Foundation matching is the bane of my existence, so many foundations/ concealers are straight up yellow, orange, and pink/ red, esp if you’re anything past “light”
And that's not yet factoring if the stuff oxidizes or not which is a 50/50 for my skin. I've had situations where my 'perfect foundation' darkened in an hour or so just when I'm already at a party, the pictures I've had gave me trauma.😓
As someone with yellow undertones, before the 2000's we olive/yellow ladies couldn't find foundation that matches to save our life. It was all red/pinkish foundations all the time; the only time we saw yellow was in a concealer stick. So im really shocked to see that yellow is the go-to color match for EVERYONE when it was basically non-existent before 2004.
THIS! when i was a teenager here in europe as an olive/blue-neutral toned person i never could find a match. now i'm actually relieved that there are options now
If I put my makeup on and Robert said it looked great or even good, I think I would simply die. I hope that young woman knows what a compliment she received. And, yes, the foundation looked great on her. 💜
The paper test!! A better version is to cut a hole in the paper and use the skin showing through the cut out as your reference. This way it appears more like a random color sample rather than a skin tone. That will enable you to visually isolate undertones easier.
This is actually a tool artists of the painting variety use. I'm cheap and just make my own strips of paper with holes cut into them, but it's a great way to isolate colors. One of the coolest tricks is the checkboard illusion, where it really highlights how colors can be affected by neighboring shades of light and dark colors.
@@donkeywithascarf2435 the 3D checkerboard image? The one that gave you prompts to cut and paste the "two" greys into paint, so it could be revealed as the same damn shade? Meeeemmooriiiiiesss.
Omg you made me laugh! I haven't worn foundation at all until this year (age 62) because of a recent skin condition possibly rosacea. Trying to learn something at this late stage is daunting
I had a mac makeup artist do my makeup at Saks in Boston in the early 2000s and NO ONE else has gotten my colors as on point as he did since then. Even my wedding makeup artist didn’t come close. I wish I remembered his name, he was awesome. So I think Robert is right about the skill not being emphasized anymore.
Yellow foundation has been the bane of my existence. I have cultivated a nerdy glow. Translucent, if you will. But I have a very cool, slightly pink undertone. So many foundations make me look jaundice! I still haven't found a good one that doesn't try to turn me yellow or 5 shades darker
If you're interested in a recommendation, I've found the wet and wild photofocus foundation in rose ivory is a pretty good match for fair cool-toned skin
@@MeadowMonkeyMyers Seconding the wet'n'wild foundation recommendation (tested on my own fair and cool-toned skin). Also L'Oreal True Match in C1 or C2.
I think that people very often don't know what they want from foundation. They want even skin tone (so without redness, melasma, spots etc.) but don't realize that it should also match skin on their body.
I work at Sephora and sometimes it'll take 15 minutes of asking consultation questions and trying out different brands for someone to realize what they want doesn't align with what they initially thought they wanted.
That’s why I recommend using products other than foundation to cover blemishes - color correctors, concealers and good primers can help a lot more than just foundation. Foundation is just a finish!
Idk, I'm pale and use foundation only to knock down redness. My neck is a lot paler than my face. If I match foundation to the palest parts of my face, or even worse to my neck, it will be paler than most of my skin, which makes it look puffy and very unnatural, and make redness bright pink. I find it a lot more flattering on most people my shade to use a shade that's dark enough to cover the red parts (which are also darker) and doesn't have much red in it, meaning it leans yellow. You just can't use it full coverage all over. And might have to use bronzer on neck and chest.
THE YELLOW PATCHES I thought I was going crazy dude, everyone on TV has these yellow patches and I thought it was color correction until it was on like every skin undertone and I was like who is this. Netflix is especially bad about this.
As a woman who has a rich deep skin tone, I was always told that Black women are hard to color match. Well, that's not true. Diversity in the makeup space is so important. I figured out that if I matched my skin to the edge of my jawline, I get it right most of the time. That may not work for some people especially if they have uneven skin tone but it has worked for me on myself and others I've helped. I struggle with fairer skin because I'm not used to it. We have to be willing to go outside of our comfort zones and learn from each other. We will always be better for it.
I suspect people also pretend black people are hard to shade match because half the brands literally don't have shades dark enough for black people in the first place
No thanks definitely not me I would prefer to stay away from everyone I don't even acknowledge there around when I do go out but 98% of the time I don't I don't want to learn from anybody nobody has anything to teach me that I find useful in my life because 99% of humans don't have any brains in there head
It's sheer laziness - so much of what we see in media etc is white faces so people simply aren't used to actually looking at Black ones and knowing which undertones to reach for. Which, okay if the only make up you're ever going to do is your own, but we've got brands out here pretending 'Caucasian with a tan' is sufficiently dark in their products and supposedly professional MUAs that don't bother to train on diverse skin tones. Which to me is flat out incompetence
it’s not that it’s hard, it’s just up until recently there weren’t even shades on the market that could match most black people. they simply didn’t exist
I already saw the patches of yellow on people's skin on tv, but I just didn't know what I was seeing or why?! The video hasn't even begun yet 🤯 and now I've watched the whole thing and it's been great. Fair skinned TikTok girl looked absolutely lovely- it was nice when she noticed her arms were EXACTLY THE SAME SHADE as her new foundation colour. The fake tan look seems quite outdated now, so the 'good lord am I really that pale?' era has begun. I hope that products continue to innovate so that darker skins and lighter skins can all shine and look beautiful. Thanks Robert 😇
I recently bought Armani luminous silk at the airport after seeing how great it looked on a friend of mine. The woman at the counter matched me in like 3 seconds flat AND it was like 5 o clock in the morning! I am a hobbist painter so can appreciate the nuance of colours and undertones and was rightly impressed with her speed! It was so worth getting it right and the compliments I got on it were unending as it matched so well!
My color match makes me look white white white too, but that’s why you need a blush and/or bronzer and/or contour. But I get it, the first time I did my color accurately, I looked drained of life
Same. Would I love to not be wearing the 2nd/3rd lightest shade in a typical drugstore line? Sure... But being pale & neutral, I'm screwed. At 46(now 50), I finally said the hell w it, & I now pony up for Tarte or Too Faced foundations when on sale. I'd rather pay more (tho still on sale) & love the finished look than "make do" & hate my makeup... While still being really dang pale.
Ngl, when you first started talking I thought you were talking about that brand that made a black foundation for black people. 🤣 I was so ready for you to read them but this video is just as good 😆
As someone with a dark brown skintone with yellow-peach undertones...I've been having a BLAST with foundation choices nowadays. But even I can say that some foundations out here do seem to be veering towards more mustard yellow vs human with 'hints of' yellow undertones.
@@xXxAngelicKratosxXx Aww, thank you hon. My staples are CoverGirl Soft Sable. The first decent dark w/yellow undertones match I'd found in the drug store. Other drug store level foundations are Maybelline Fit Me 356, 355 and 360 depending on time of year. L'Oreal True Match W9.5 (another great dark w/golden undertones!) or C9 (summer). Recently got to test the Laura Geller Quench N Tint which for my 45 yo skin was not only a good match for me but looked great! CoverFX D3 (Power Play, Cream to powder and powder formulas) has been a perfect color match for me with great longevity, immaculate coverage and application. Sadly they discontinued some of their older, much deeper shades.
I really recommend asking a pro to color match you at the store/makeup counter! Idk why I resisted before because my girlie at the charlotte tilbury counter gave me a mind blowing perfect match! She has the most beautiful fair skin and I was like ok whatever you use, I want every product! I love when the pros are truly PROS!
It took me ages to learn how to match my foundation. I spent 35 years not realizing I had olive undertones and then I watched Alexandra Anele review the About Face foundation and I tried the exact same shade she did, and low and behold, it was a perfect match. I though I was warm or neutral for years but it never quite looked right. The Sephora people almost had it right, but not quite.
Same. I mean, I always knew I had a kind of olive undertone (I even joked a lot as a kid that I must be an alien because of my ‘green’ skin), but everything I saw that was described as ‘olive’ was way too dark for me, so when I stumbled across Alex and heard her talking about being being a ‘pale olive’ I was like ‘girl, thank you!!!’ because I didn’t know that was a thing. Tried the revlon colour stay foundation she recommended, and it was PERFECT for me, and affordable, and one of the brands I’ve found my sensitive skin doesn’t react to. It was a total triumph!!!
I have a cool undertone, based on traditional guidelines. When I buy foundation online, it always ends up peachy (even if it's labelled "cool"). I had to buy blue add-in so I could adjust the tone of several products.
Same. Either I looked like I'd been slapped (too pink) or more often, sallow & sickly. During one of the Ulta 21 Days a few yrs ago, I tried travel sizes of Tarte Face tape... Omg... It matched 😯😯🤯, & a few months later Too Faced BTW Matte 50% off. My wallet cries, but the undertone matches along w the shade... I do look like I'm pasty, but if you look at my legs, arm underside, neck & chest... Guess what? I'm pasty pale 🤣🤣 I no longer get comments about my foundation bc it now looks close enough it's hard to tell. Just sucks that it took until I was 46 to find my perfect shade of foundation.
As a hair colorist, I have used a cool Pink & a soft peachy orange scarf right next to the face to figure out , at least warm or cool. It’s surprising how warm undertones will want cool ash and vice versa. The scarves help figure out the warm, cool or neutral. If both scarves are equally flattering then they are neutral. It’s not a hard-fast RULE, but it does help point people to the most flattering choice.
I so love this video because so often makeup artists (and I think more often makeup influencers) shit talk "normal" people who aren't great at makeup. Thank you for supporting everyone who does makeup!!!
2:32 “The woman at Nars” matched her skin tone 1000000% what is she ranting on about? Your foundation is just that, a foundation to give you the illusion that you have perfect skin. You gotta bring out depth and definition with contour, bronzer and the rest of your makeup.
I 100% know how to. Only once in a blue moon does the light shade actually translate as medium on me. But it seriously drives me INSANE that beauty “gurus” don’t know how to shade match!!!!!!!!
Especially the “pale” ones 😂 They just pick the one that’s “first” in the spectrum, or has the lowest shade number, then say the brand doesn’t make a shade pale enough… They don’t get the concept that the wrong undertone can make it appear “darker”…
It really gets me too. There's one on here I thought of immediately bc she chooses such poor matches. She says she's a yellowy olive but nooooo it turns into a mask. It makes me feel bad. Won't name her but I know you know her.
@@riven799 I wonder if that has something to do with the lighting and how the color looks in the camera? because I see so many of them putting a bronzer and when they're done it looks like two orange stripes in their face and they can't see that??
And me personally if you did not sell me the complete white foundation which is all I use due down to been a goth I would personally tell you to f@#$ off and would put a blip on your name especially with your boss and on tiktok
The lady I asked at Sephora to color match my cool toned, fair skinned self chose literally such a dark yellow shade for me 😭😭 I’ve never had luck with other people trying to shade match me
@@Jessicamoon2130if you used the color IQ camera, they can actually adjust the sliders so that it gives better results. They can also try a different shade or ask someone else to shade match. As an employee, pale foundations with neutral/cool undertones do exist! Haus Labs, Nars, Ilia, Milk, Urban Decay, even Sephora Collection. Color matching is a skill that needs developing and I sucked when I first started. At this point, I can just look at a fair skinned person and tell them that they're 1.5 Kosas concealer, Vanilla Nars Concealer, Deauville Nars Light Reflecting Foundation, and 5 Ilia skin tint. Those are the most common fair shades, but each brand listed has lighter options too
Yes! Worked at Sephora too and it was great getting to color match people and see the relief from clients who finally found something that actually worked for them!!
@@Jessicamoon2130nooo I wish I had the chance to color match you!!! As a fair skin girlie I know the struggle of always getting yellow foundation matches 😭🫶🏻
What has helped me was mixing my own foundations shades and seeing which one works the best in the bathroom mirror when the lighting outside is perfect which allows me to see the true color. Then I started going to Sephora with my little mixture and seeing which foundations match that
Ty! You don’t waste money of foundations, trains your eye, you’re not returning foundations that will get thrown out, and you can even adjust it when you get tan or lighter it’s a win win
As a fair person, especially an American one, some people genuinely mean it as an insult. I’ve definitely had people give me grief over it. I remember when I worked at ulta and lady kept going on and on about how pale I was. Turns out she had a tanning salon and thought insulting me so much about my skin tone would make me want to come to her salon.
I’ve called out the yellow tone for years, so much that even hubs sees it lol. If you’re NEW here, absolutely listen to Robert! You’ll learn more or pickup a great tip or two. Love&Blessings, Bella 🇺🇸
I think things like this usually start out as a misunderstood truth. Everyone's skin has a high ratio of yellow, usually proportionately more yellow than red/magenta or blue/cyan. It's always a workable base tone, because you can add more blue, red, yellow, and/or white pigment mixers and eventually match your skin. But if you start out with too cool or neutral of a shade, it's much more difficult to make your skin tone without it looking muddy or grayish. I'm not sure if that makes any sense, but it's something I know from decades of portrait painting. Mixing any skin tone involves more yellow than anything (excluding white or black) followed by red. Blue is the hardest part of mixing a skin color, if you add too much you can't fix it with a minor adjustment. Cool and neutral foundation shades both have more blue to begin with so starting with yellow makes sense. If you can ONLY buy 1 foundation and you must make it work with pigment adjusters, yes, absolutely get a yellow tone at least a shade darker (if possible) than you need and 4 pigment mixers (white- unless your skin IS the darkest shade, and primaries.) Darkening a shade is a whole other can of worms because black pigment makes anything with even a hint of white turn grayish 💀 (that's why inclusivity of darker skin is so important even beyond the obvious reasons and most black pigment mixers are a joke.) This was a whole rant but it's the first time I have heard that people say yellow foundation matches everyone, I'm trying to see the logic lol. I do imagine it began innocently with correct understanding of color theory and then was oversimplified until people thought yellow actually matched everyone! Now I know why I see so many mismatched foundations with a "jaundice" vibe! 😢
It’s difficult to find even a true neutral undertone in any foundation products any more, evvverything leans so extremely yellow/golden. Theres essentially zero cool undertones in foundation to be found. I’ve actually been shopping, for a while now, for a decent drug store, light-to-medium buildable coverage foundation with a neutral undertone, and while I managed to find a shade match, the product itself is 💩 on me, moves around, clings to dry patches, etc. I’ve worked in makeup, as well as have freelanced, so I think I have a general idea what to look for (as I’ve been known to shade match clients and get it right on first try more often than not) and I just don’t think companies are producing products with the variety of undertones any more, as evvvveryone seems to think they’re golden/yellow. As always, love to you🖤🖤
Exactly this! I look like a raging alcoholic with some of my MLM 'friends' recomendations! I'm thinking I did see a foundation colour pallet thing, but it was a fb so quite possibly utter rubbish. I really need something to help tone down my butterfly rash, but not heavy, and nothing in the Simpsons range. Lol Good Luck! 😊
The new mac serum powder foundation works really well! I found that the neutrals were actually neutral so maybe give that a try 🫶🏼 I hated studio fix but this is a completely different formula that doesn't cling to any dry bits or move around etc
I am 50 & have never found a drugstore brand w a neutral foundation until maybe mid-tone tan (dunno, I'm pasty pale). I even sold Avon for 16 years & couldn't find a shade that matched. At 46(now 50), I just accepted that a good tone & shade matching foundation that won't slide off my still very oily face is going to cost. $40-45 is worth it.
Yellow! Also, for that first one: embrace the ghost! it can be lovely when done well. :) And your more complete look in the second follow-up looks fantastic!
I think the reason they use full coverage yellow toned foundation, is because that’s what many brands’ lip, blush, bronzer and eyeshadow colours are made for. It’s also the undertone of the makeup of 80 % of people online. They don’t want to do the colour math, they just paint themselves orange and then everything else works with that.
Using the correct foundation shade the first time was a shock for me too! I kinda get where that first girl was coming from. In middle school I was called albino, in high school I was called Edward Cullen, in university I was called ghostly, at my job I was called by a term which I will NOT be repeating here cuz it’s cruel… Some people are just mean and unfortunately it took me a long time to not hate my skin, eyebrows/eyelashes, etc and realize that the opinion of A-holes should be disregarded.
I feel this, in middle school I was "Casper". Then after the 1995 movie Powder came out it was "Powder" from then on....🙄 I had to take solace in the fact others got it way worse, one guy's nickname was "incher", you can take a wild guess why 😬
Ladies. Stop. Your complexion has been coveted by most people for centuries and still is. Stop buying into this lie, you're gorgeous and angelic! Just like ebony is stunning when natural, porcelain skin is extremely beautiful! Just learn how to do your makeup properly and work with it, not against it! It can look absolutely flawless, stop listening to envious people who put you down so they can feel better about themselves, it's a trap. Embrace your angelic beauty!
Yes, my go to was "corpse". I don't like my skin so much but I certainly don't go to people saying mean things about theirs. Now I learned to accept it, and if I have a special event and look really too white for the dress I'm using I'll use some self tanner and a bbcream. I certainly won't stay hours in the sun without sunscreen like I did in my teen years to match a "normal" skin colour.
THANK YOU for talking about undertones other than cool/warm/neutral! After years of trying to figure out why I always look like a zombie or jaundiced, I figured out that I'm a muted fair olive, meaning I'm green and grey - I've had MUAs and ladies at Sephora arguing with me that no, I'm bright yellow, and olive is a depth and not a tone, and no matter how much I show them that everything turns orange or whitish pink on me, they insist I'm wrong. I would love a video from you on colour matching and adjusting what's available to fit these rarer undertones, because it's so confusing.
I think im exactly the same!!! Struggled for so long looking too yellow or too red, after years of experimenting I’ve settled for Giorgio Armani luminous silk shade 2, it’s pretty damn accurate and an amazing finish
@@wingedyerajoocyee has cushion in 6 undertones including 2 types of olive. Also judydoll cushion (b15), girlcult cushion (lightest shade), unny club and galimard liquid foundations
I am truly pale, and, after years of dealing with horrible rosacea, now no longer have much red in my face due to correct care. As a result, I now have begun to use blush, which has been a bizarre journey to begin at my age! I also learned that I prefer a base that is very natural and has light coverage.
@@Lalydia76 I used to color correct with the dr jart tiger grass color correcting spf on the areas that I got super red. Just use sparingly, otherwise you can get an ashy dead tone. I also use good sunscreens, reapply and wear hats!
@@Lalydia76 Dior and givenchy do a good green colour corrector, very thin consistency so you're less likely to over-do it. If I'm in real trouble, the chanel green colour corrector (not sure if they still do it) is a thicker consistency but be careful with the application. Too many green colour correctors have a thick consistency which means you'll get texture once you apply your foundation.
I’m really fair with a neutral to cool undertone. I‘ve always hated drugstore foundations here in Germany, they’re way too dark and always way too yellow, even orange. My best match turned out to be the Haus Labs Fair 050. Funny thing is, I‘ve talked to a friend of mine about foundation and she said she doesn’t use any because it‘s always too yellow for her. She associated yellow/orange with it and called it „the typical foundation color, you know“. She was pretty surprised when I told her labels like Fenty, Nars and Haus Labs have a much bigger shade range with a variety of undertones. I‘m honestly happy some brands do and I‘m more than ready to pay 40 bugs for a foundation that finally doesn’t make me yellow.
OMG. Robert, that shirt is AH-MAZE-ING. And it looks perfect on you. Matching foundation has been the bane of my existence since about 1984. 18 years???? Blink. How?? I thought you were like 30.
I believe the twins are 80s babies (or possibly very early 90s) and Robert has been doing makeup since he was a teenager, I'm sure I've heard him talk about how his first job was on a makeup counter as a teen.
I'm a medium/tan complexion with very red undertones. So many brands don't even offer cool undertones in the medium depth. It's absolutely challenging to find. And for years I was told I have yellow undertones. This probably has a lot to do with the fact that too many makeup artists don't understand the darker shades. And I have been told so many times that there was "a study" that says that 80% of people have yellow undertones. I've since searched, and I have not been able to find that nonsense. There is a massive misconception and people of darker shades are still struggling to be adequately matched with available shade ranges. It's soooo hard. Even Fenty has eliminated shade 270 in newer releases and no longer offer that cool undertone in the medium depth.
I've worked in the beauty industry for years and I always take my time matching clients with their foundation. It's so important to get it right because everyones skin is different. If you can't get the foundation right, the clients trust goes out the window.
Robert never apologize for going off! I could listen to you go off about just about anything because your charm is so magnetic! You don’t even have to even use words sometimes it’s just a look or a side eye and I’m like, he gets it.
Right I need to pay attention, I have no idea what I'm doing when trying to choose foundation. I usually have to get the help of the shop workers but with some of the colours I've ended up with, I think they need to pat attention too 😂 I also love the fact that I have really fair skin, it's testament to my years of avoiding the sun.
I dont wear makeup but i enjoy watching beauty content, and i think the TH-camr Hannah Louise Poston was one of the first creators ive seen actually be aware of how pale they are, and embracing that paleness. Her attention to detail when it comes to complexion is just so good!
OMG yes! Yellow seems to be the “go to” these days. I cannot depend on the Ulta, Sephora, or MAC to appropriately match h my skin. I am fair skinned and have blonde hair I can’t tell you how many times I look jaundiced after they “match” me! Thank you for the tips for matching. Much appreciated ❤
Wait you just made me realize ive been subbed to you for 5 years now. Wow. Damn my skincare is pretty good cuz i feel like i havent aged 😂😂 i cant believe its been that long, it feels like 2020 was yesterday.
Recently had my makeup done professionally for a photo shoot and diggity-dog! I peeped what foundation she was using and it was the brand AND shade number I’ve been using for years!!!! The MUA had never met me or seen a picture of me before I was in the chair so she wouldn’t have anything but my naked face to go off of! I felt so validated…
You were so sweet to the first person! I agree, they looked fantastic after the blush, mascara, etc. I know you watch Judy D. No one even ever TRIES to match her 😂 except when she goes to the really good MUA's ❤
How I learned my undertone back in the day 101... noticed that when I tan I actually look more yellow in the areas I "tan" (only pasty white and then YELLOW)... also the one time I put a yellow turmeric mask onto my pasty face and laughed getting out my garbage phone... the phone could not pick up the difference between the yellow mask and my white neck. Now I remind any foundation person I get to help that I have rosacea and they need to look past my surface redness!
A good way also to figure out your undertone(well at least it worked for me) is to take closeup picture of your face in front of a window in a natural daylight and use color picker on your phone on a bunch of random spots on your face, it gives you color codes that you can then put in chatgpt, based on that it gives you your undertone, and some recommendations on foundations, it is not an ideal match but a good way to start it actually recommended me some of my favorite foundations in a colors that i already use
The best advice I ever got from a makeup counter, in a dept store was to ck my foundation in natural light - which I do. Most businesses have florescent lighting, which is not good for color matching make up. Neutrals look yellow on me, golden undertone foundations magnify it. I am porcelain skin tone with slight pink cheeks yes,you can see the blue veins under my skin but looking beyond that I am a cool under tone all the way. Yea, no yellow for this gal.
Thank you for calling out the vein test. I’m Mexican American neutral leaning warm and every one of those tests labels me as cool tones deep winter when I’m a deep autumn.
I worked at a Nyx store for 3 years and where I live there is a massive issue when it comes to receiving merchandise. Whenever we would receive items we would get an extremely limited amount of the products that were popular and people actually wanted, yet we would get pressured as sales people to meet sales goals. It was to the point where we felt like our jobs were on the line of we didn’t meet or exceed unrealistic sales goals. We never had anything people actually wanted in stock! So, it was a really common occurrence that we would apply products, like foundation and concealer, that were absolutely not the right match on people and blend it out in such a way that it almost looked like it matched in the store lighting… 😬😬😬 ☠️☠️☠️ I honestly felt so bad, I stopped doing it and I never ever made my goals and I hated hearing my coworkers lie to people just to get them to buy stuff.
As a redhead with VERY PALE skin I STRUGGLE to find a foundation that matches my skin! I do not have a yellow undertone whatsoever and actually have a more cool undertone (even though people often generalize and equate redheads to a warm color palette). I'm more fair than the first girl, but i LOVE my pale skin!! When I have foundation that matches my skin, I legit look like a ghost, but that's a blank canvas for me to paint! I add a small amount of blush/bronzer/contour and it all looks more normal! I've found that I have to look towards French brands (Dior/Chanel), or albino friendly brands like fenty/r.e.m. beauty to find color matches.
Totally get it, I'm a cool/neutral but the freckles and rosecea create a challenge and make me look warm toned...I def do not have a yellow undertone so it's a nightmare to fine the right foundation, I'm going to look at tom ford architect foundation to see if the pearl might work. If you've any recommendations ie actual shades, please for brands plse let me know!
YES I found it so stupid to ask "do you prefer gold or silver jewellery?" My skin has olive and warm undertones, but my hair is all ashy, so even with color theory, you wouldn't land on gold. And also I just don't like gold lol
Yeah! And white gold/silver/stainless steel looks kinda different in some of us, I am a cool olive with ashy brown hair and white gold looks very different on me compared to stainless steel. It just doesn't look right.
Hey Robert, would you someday make a video about pale olive skin tones and what hues (in blush etc) would be the most flattering? I feel like many pale olives struggle to find a foundation or colors that suit them well. I would be interested in your take on that! Much love as always ❤
I’m a makeup artist and usually I refrain from commenting on tiktok, but I couldn’t resist on that video 😭😭 I always match to the neck or chest (depending on several factors) because a lot of people have surface redness and discoloration on their face
Great content. I’m neutral and fair. Yellow base foundations look dreadful on me. there are many makeup brands that lean towards yellow foundations. I stay away from them I don’t want to look like a banana or mustard on a hotdog 😂 I have no problem picking out a foundation from years of trial and error ♥️☮️🖤. Experience is sometimes the best teacher 🎉
Thank you for helping with undertone understanding. As someone who is pale and has warm undertones it's hard to find a shade that isn't too warm or too yellow. Drives me nuts, my current foundation probably isn't a perfect match but it's the best I can do with what I've got lol
Robert, this has been my absolute biggest pet peeve forever!!! 😤 Even back during the early 2015-2016 rise of full beat makeup looks I absolutely hated the yellow undertones in so many foundations and concealers! Oh and as someone who used to work at Sephora my favorite thing that I took pride in doing was color matching! The things I did to make sure I always got a true match were: 1. Checking the skin type, undertones and the finish the client wants 2. Having them swatch a few on the inner arm and letting it oxidize for a bit 3. Swatching a bit on the face and then having them look at it in 2 different lightings - the store light and natural light! Oh and as a fair skin girly myself I think it’s super important to realize that if you don’t want to look “paler” please look at medium to light coverage and something with a pink undertone!!! Because I too was a super fair match for full coverage foundation that made me look like a ghost but then I found a tinted moisturizer that brought out my rosy undertones better while still allowing me to even out the color of my skin! It just takes time to find what works for you!! ❤
Okay here's one reason I struggle with this, even as an artist myself: every single human skin tone is a warm color. I understand that the undertones are different, like the literal color red is as warm as possible but still you can have reds that lean more cool or more warm without being a different color. But I think I'm missing the context of what's considered to be a cool vs warm vs neutral skin tone, because for example you can have the coolest undertones in the world and your skin is still technically a warm color because you're not grey and you're certainly not blue. So like where are the lines? What is the circle we've all agreed upon where everything within it is neutral, and everything to one side is comparatively warm and everything to the other side is comparatively cool? What are we comparing it all to?
There’s no standard. Each makeup brand has they’re own definition of what warm, neutral and cool toned means. It’s generally accepted that cool means more pinkish(lighter shades)/ reddish (darker shades), warm means more yellow (lighter)/orange (darker) and neutral is “equal parts warm and cool”. The line is undefined though. This is why people who upload swatches will get into heaven.
It’s about undertone and overtone. Undertone can be cool, but overtone varies from neutral to lightly warm in summer. Like that you can choose more neutral foundation in summer and autumn and more cooler for winter. How to express it in Art, I have no idea. Maybe un oil paintings it’s possible by layerings colour. P.s. my skin never looks warm, even with a tan wich I get very slight even going for vacation.
@@maryeckel9682I thought it was hilarious. Like Robert said pale people take the word pale as an insult. You just are. What word would you prefer we use?
@@nightgoddess9 I figure pale is as good a description as any 😉 I'm not nearly that light, so I would guess it's not easy to find a match to begin with. I think she's beautiful, but she doesn't seem to be accepting her hue.
No. Your skin is beautiful and you should stop calling it like that. What a horrible way to think about your skin, you're doing a disservice to yourself, truly.
as a fellow ghostly girlie, just be happy they have shades light enough for you with the proper undertones now because when I was growing up in the 2000s, we had ONLY yellow or orange undertones, no matter how pale your skin was, often it didn't get light enough for me, so my base would be not only ORANGE when I have a neutral undertone, but also several shades too dark, and it ALWAYS looked insane 😂 edit: I also have a lot of redness and robert is obviously correct in that you can't use a full coverage base and get it over your lashes and brows and NOT also do the blush and brows and lashes because you will absolutely look dead otherwise lmao it also doesn't help if like me, you're pale with lighter hair (and therefore lighter natural lashes and brows too) oh! also, highly recommend using blush to contour rather than a bronzer because on pale girlies, most bronzers tend to look like bad fake tan 😅
I was shade match years ago when I first started doing makeup, to golden yellow undertones, but it never really matched me. My face always looked yellow or orange, and it was noticeable. I tried different shades until I came across Olive Undertone. I didn't even know there was such a thing I always see cool, neutral, or golden. I'm glad more brands are adding olive undertones to the deeper shade. Not everyone is yellow or red, lol!
And sometimes a certain brand just doesn’t have your shade. It may have your “number”, but lack undertones, so you just look for the base product among other brands.
lol as an extremely pale person, I can say that we react defensively because we've been dealing with people complaining how we're blinding them, or telling us to get a tan, or asking if we're the undead our whole lives 😂
In high school I had a classmate tell me my pale legs “looked sickly” and if she were me she’d never wear shorts. That’s how I ended up wearing jeans for a whole summer 😭.
I am also extremely pale and embrace it now. I always wear sunscreen nowadays. First of all I am more likely to burn but also I don't want to end up with all kinds of patches and sundamage. It's not a good look. I will never have a "sexy tan" and that is ok
I agree with some other comments here saying that she was given a product that she really wasn't looking for... She is looking for something more like a tinted moisturizer, a BB cream, or a CC cream. Something that provides a light to medium coverage (but is also buildable for 'troublesome' areas), but doesn't take too much away from her natural look. The au naturel look is pretty 'in' at the minute, and so are lower maintenance make-up routines (leaving skincare out of the equation here, even though it's massive right now and massively important). Full coverage foundation isn't the best option for someone looking for either of these preferences, as it involves much more (adding back definition and color, etc.), which typically does not give a very 'natural look'. I worked in cosmetics and skin care for a couple of different big name brands at a department store for a while, and had to be trained/certified to provide services for customers/clients. If she was matched at a make-up counter or store, it sounds like whoever helped her didn't take the appropriate time to really dig deep into what the customer was ACTUALLY wanting or needing, versus what she may have been SAYING that she wanted... Consumers frequently don't know exactly what they need or want (many simply just don't know, or like to follow trends and how one person achieves a look may not work for another, etc.), which is why they seek out people who have been trained in whatever their specialty is. Her consultant did her a little dirty by just hearing 'I want X', matching her, and ringing her out instead of working with her for 5-15 more minutes and finding the best product for her.
You just popped up in my recommendations yesterday and I am really loving your videos. I am also glow in the dark pale. I had a zoom meeting and my head kelp disappearing into the blurred background. I am 50 years old and i still haven't found a color match as good as hers.
There are (non beauty) youtubers I enjoy that even in their thumbnails the face is not necking. I can even see the difference when I have Nightlight cranked up to maximum warmth, AND I am color blind! I just want to help!!!
I have ALWAYS been fascinated by makeup and used to buy lots of makeup books in my teens, my favorite being “Making Faces” by Kevyn Aucoin. I bought one from Bobbi Brown and I remember reading that she recommended a yellow undertone foundation for everyone. I am pale with pink undertones. I feel like it was terrible advice from a well-respected makeup artist. But, to her credit, I was a teen in the late ‘90s and early 2000s and could not tan, at a time when having a tan was EVERYTHING. She wrote a whole chapter about the things we perceive as our flaws being what makes us most beautiful, including fair skin. That really helped me love my fair skin, regardless of what was popular.
Its perfectly fine to mix shades if you are in between. I was a hidden olive until i found the right match. When matching foundation, GO OUTSIDE and look at it in natural lighting. Wear it for awhile to see if it changes color.
Her expectations vs. reality is the problem, the reality is she has genuine porcelain color skin which is beautiful but she sees it as looking dead, the foundation is heavy but it does a good job of covering the redness on her face that she probably thinks is her normal skin tone!
Damn, nars has really light tones in stock! I'm jealous xD I aspire to ever look like her, I think it looks cool. Not a casual look tho xD When and why did lighter skin tones get a bad rep? :/ Saying you have light skin should not be an insult o.O
It’s really only considered a bad thing in the UK, they’re really into tanning. Maybe there’s a stronger positive association between being tan and having enough disposable income to vacation. Dunno but it’s very odd, especially since the US seems to have largely moved passed being obsessed with tanning/tans.
@@spaceaids1498 It's almost everywhere in europe. I live in Germany and I cannot find my actual shade in stores, even in those with more expensive brands. It's different in asian countries of course, but from what I know it's a western problem
Excellent video! Thank you (again) for the great advice! When I modeled in the late 80s, I was almost always the only black or brown model in the set. The MUAs never had anything even remotely close to my shade. I had to bring my own makeup every single time. There was a godsend of a makeup artist (in Tallahassee FL) who would mix my foundation for me, to take to shoots.
Matching foundation has always been an issue. Not just because I didn't know how (but that was a huge part of the problem for a long time), it was also shade ranges. I'm Indigenous American, and there weren't a lot of options out there that covered my skin tones.
I forgot to link my video! Here it is! th-cam.com/video/XKHiCsy59RY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZdS77OS4SfaaRV6T
I just want to endorse that video for anyone who is still struggling to find their undertone and/or match their foundation. It really helped me. It's like a master class in five minutes. Watch it, if you haven't.
Make a video about the new Youthforia foundation please 😊
Thank you! This was so helpful. Would you consider talking about contour? So many people use bronzers and that’s not where I want to go. Also, I always hear that there is a rule of thumb about using a concealer as a contour - but I can’t seem to get it right.
sometimes you look so pouty and cute in your short videos
@RobertWelsh please help as I am sure that I can not be the only person with my problem. Thank you.
I, like many others I am sure, would love to know a company that has olive options that don't start at medium or tan darkness.
I am a pale neutral olive during winter and a light neutral olive during summer.
I can tan without burning unless I am out in the sun for hours without sunscreen.
I look good in all metals even if I prefer one more than others.
I have green, purple, blue veins all over my body where they show.
The few makeup matching professionals I have seen for color matching agree with me but admit that they too do not know of a brand I can shop from.
I have had a few tell me to mix green into my neutral foundations that I deal with but it never seems to work out for me to get a constant color each time nor do I have the actual time to do this everyday.
Can you help us (me) out? Even if it is a small indi brand or super expensive so long as I can find my shade I think I would cry tears of joy after 30+ years of looking.
I think the girl that is convinced the foundation isn’t the right match is someone who doesn’t actually want full coverage. It’s a perfect match, but maybe she’s wanting more of a bb cream?
Fully agree! She could just knock down the redness, and stop there!
Yes! When I was younger I HATED foundation because I thought I looked so flat with it on. I think she’s dealing with something similar
Exactly! I have the same tone as her and use a tinted moisturizer that neutralizes my redness but still gives me a natural flush!!
Haus labs would be perf for her
She could also be so used to wearing the wrong shade that the right shade looks wrong to her because it’s not what she’s used to
People forget foundation is literally a base that is meant to perfect your skin and match exactly. You add colour with BRONZER, BLUSH, CONTOUR. Not foundation!
This. The foundation is a base coat essentially.
I once explained to a dude who asked
Foundation : kilz primer
Concealer : spackle
Primer : sanding sealer
I remember telling my mom she should stop getting pink foundation because her skin leans more yellow and she said "so you want me to make my face MORE yellow?!!"
I explained to her what you said and thankfully now she gets her right color
Yes exactly. I definitely get the vibe from this girl that she thinks foundation is supposed to be a one and done situation. Glad the people commenting are steering her in the right direction.
This 💯. If I match my skin/neck I look almost sickly. I add bronzer to add a bit of color to compliment my undertone.
Agree. “Shades of liver failure” as a trend is not it.
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Get the jaundice look 💁♀️😂
@@Yolanda_XO Have we created a new aesthetic?
That first girl has pale olive skin. She’s lucky she was given such a perfect match because they’re almost impossible to find. For some reason the cosmetics industry thinks olive equals tan. It doesn’t. Olive is an undertone and anyone can have it. Please make cosmetics for us pale green people!
She may not like how she looks because pale olive skin can look terminal without any blush or lip colour. Also, olive tones really show their best with a slightly glowy, sheer finish, since our olive tone provides natural contour.
I need a pale neutral olive-yellow, not olive warm (orange) or olive cool (grey or pink). If anyone can recommend a good fair olive-yellow foundation, BB cream, or concealer, please let me know. I’d be so grateful because I still haven’t found a match.
Neutrogena has a color correcting powder that’s green and yellow. It’s perfect for canceling out redness, but a bit too yellow for me you might like it!!
I just buy a yellow foundation and mix it with the blue mixer from LA girl
I'm so happy that Alexandra Anele's recommendation to try Revlon's Colorstay foundation in the shade buff worked for me! My face is slightly darker than the shade buff, because it's summer right now and haven't been too diligent in reapplying sunscreen 😬, but when I compare the shade buff to the portions of my skin that doesn't get as much sunlight exposure and I can definitely say that it's one of the best drugstore foundations for pale, olive skintones. Alexandra Anele uses the shade buff in the dry/normal skin version because she wants a dewy look but I found that the shade buff is just as olive in the combination/oily skin version. I hope this helps because a lot of companies, especially drugstore companies, rarely make foundations and concealers for pale, olive skintones 💚
I didn't know I had an olive tone until I tried a foundation my mom gave me and it was waaaaay to yellow on me so added a little bit of blue color correct to try and fix the yellow making it look a little green and was like well I'm not wasting makeup and put it on then I was like oh that's actually not bad lololol
I'm very greenish and basically everything looks on my face orange or yellow. I use Everyday minerals makeup, their neutral shades are fitting (it's possible to buy small tester and match with it... I did that some time ago and it fits well).
I'm a fair-skinned redhead, and you're right, that I used to be shocked/offended when people told me how pale I am. But on top of that, they'd say that I needed to go to the beach to get some color. I now embrace my natural color, as should we all 💗
Extremely rude people. Not everyone has to look tanned, I bet you look angelic and they want to make you feel bad about it.
Same here, and it's so easy to warm the face with a really good subtle bronzer, blush, etc
embrace the pale look and not going out side ! your less likely to get skin cancer by staying indoors ! I look less old because I didnt go tanning .
As a redhead, I've heard this MANY times. I always look at them like they're crazy and say, "You realize natural redheads don't tan at all, right?" That shuts them up every time, LOL.
Very light tone here and I was once called an Alabaster Beauty. Still makes me feel good any time I start not being happy with my skin.
I asked at a MAC store once for them to colour match me. They put an extremely warm yellow foundation 3 shades too dark on me, and when I told them to try again their response was "But don't you want to warm up your complexion?". Not with my foundation, kiddo.
Right? I always want to say: "No thank you. They've already selected Miss Hepatitis 2024."
Same thing happened to me. I'm vampire pale and I was at a counter a few years ago getting my foundation matched and they picked the lightest, palest shade they had (which fit me) and then they got a shade that was three shades darker with a very yellow tan undertone. Literally got the same sort of response as you with 'don't you want a more glowy tanned look?' My face was a completely different shade to the rest of me!
I'm very fair and had MAC at Ulta match me. They told me I was N something 27. When I got in my car and looked in the mirror it looked like I had brown dirt on my face.
Back in 89, I got to feel what darker skin toned people feel like. A lovely African American girl at Shiseido made me orange. I was walking home, praying that I would nor rub into anyone I knew and there were no photos.
MAC are the worst.
Look at how many "MUAs" take Judy D's fair skin and put yellow foundation on her, with no attention paid to detail- even when they tell her themselves that she's very fair!
Yes!!!! They always make Judy D look yellow/orange!! Poor thing.
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LMAO I just mentioned her in my own comment!
They make her look like she’s got jaundice every time 😭😂
I have seen so many you tube influencers be like “so here is the foundation in my shade” and i’m like “No”. 😂
"And it was aaall yellow"🎶🎶
As a pale olive toned person, I feel this
lol I feel this too. It’s soooo hard to find fair olive foundations
SAME. Or pink...
I’m light-medium olive and totally know what you mean. I always end up with yellow foundation! 😅
Omg yes... I mix in some green color corrector when "neutral" foundation looks pink on me an blue when It's yellow/orange😂 (I am light/light medium neutral olive)
Me and my bestie are both very pale olive toned girls and we spent 20 minutes in Ulta looking for a brand that would match us :,)
When I learned to do makeup with a celebrity makeup artist, she was EXCELLENT at teaching, but had just 2 or 3 shades to practice. So, I took it upon myself to buy a palette of foundations and made it my goal to skin-match every client. Years later, working as a makeup instructor, my students are surprised to learn that I dedicate so much teaching time to foundation matching as opposed to eye looks. The eye looks are just like fashion trends. They change. Your skin is your SKIN and will never change. This is such a splendid video, with a great explanation. Thank you so much!
Thank you for allowing everyone to be who they are 💖 I'm a super cool-toned person with cool hair & eyes, yellows, golden, peach or orange looks ridiculous on me. I keep trying to customize my foundations with color correctors but blue makes them olive and light pink just lightens them. I find a dark cool brown helps to cool it but then it's too dark 🙄 I need that grayish beige tone (like old CYO 106). Should I try to find a cream red to add to my neutral or peach masking as cool foundations? I'm closest to NW25 but still not cool enough or Estee 3C3 (too dark), La Mer 210 is close. Thanks for any advice 🤍
Ps... I wrote a big long comment if you want to see other references, it's my hot button! 🥴
Makeup aside, her banter is absolutely hilarious and had me wheezing
One reason I hate when brands disappear. You finally find the perfect shade and then they’re gone and you have to start over. Not to mention some places have HORRIBLE lighting.
And you can't even buy too many extras because makeup can go bad over time
Too bad we can't get the hexadecimal code for our foundations and use those! If all companies used that as a standard labeling, how easy it would be!
@@ad_pascalI wonder if that’s possible due to the different ways foundations are mixed, but it would be nice to have a universal reference!
That LED lighting does not! show colors the way they really look. It puts a blue cast on everything.
Tell me about it! I went on a makeup hiatus and came back to the only foundation that was an exact match for me being discontinued. And the to make it worse none of the foundation finders had it listed either. Now I’m back at square 1😅
I'm sympathetic to the tiktok person because the first time I got full-coverage foundation matched, I also thought I looked dead. Literally had the thought "OH this is why people buy blush!" 💀
So glad us goths don't wear blush I love looking dead because my look is Vampire goth so you people are not normal at all
@@BOUJEEBOGANBADBITCHQUEENhuh?
@@BOUJEEBOGANBADBITCHQUEENgirl, no. Blush is worn in some Gothic makeup looks, just not bubblegum pink colors. Usually it's more angular to emphasize that gaunt look.
lol same! I bought some full coverage that made me look like a ghost! As soon as I switched to a tinted moisturizer it was so much nicer and made me feel like I had just the right amount of coverage! Oh also I think people should prioritize concealer and color correction over foundation!!
@@BOUJEEBOGANBADBITCHQUEEN I like doing blush but for high temples with goth but not always. I can't always handle the flatness
Foundation matching is the bane of my existence, so many foundations/ concealers are straight up yellow, orange, and pink/ red, esp if you’re anything past “light”
And that's not yet factoring if the stuff oxidizes or not which is a 50/50 for my skin. I've had situations where my 'perfect foundation' darkened in an hour or so just when I'm already at a party, the pictures I've had gave me trauma.😓
Back in the 80’s and 90’s it was sooooooooo pink 😂😂😂
They were that if you were light too for a good few years
Wdym past light? Like lighter than “light” or darker?
@@kiaratheexplorer4 darker
As someone with yellow undertones, before the 2000's we olive/yellow ladies couldn't find foundation that matches to save our life. It was all red/pinkish foundations all the time; the only time we saw yellow was in a concealer stick. So im really shocked to see that yellow is the go-to color match for EVERYONE when it was basically non-existent before 2004.
THIS! when i was a teenager here in europe as an olive/blue-neutral toned person i never could find a match. now i'm actually relieved that there are options now
The market swings too far everytime it needs to compensate for something
If I put my makeup on and Robert said it looked great or even good, I think I would simply die. I hope that young woman knows what a compliment she received. And, yes, the foundation looked great on her. 💜
The paper test!! A better version is to cut a hole in the paper and use the skin showing through the cut out as your reference. This way it appears more like a random color sample rather than a skin tone. That will enable you to visually isolate undertones easier.
This is actually a tool artists of the painting variety use. I'm cheap and just make my own strips of paper with holes cut into them, but it's a great way to isolate colors. One of the coolest tricks is the checkboard illusion, where it really highlights how colors can be affected by neighboring shades of light and dark colors.
@@donkeywithascarf2435 oh wow, checkerboard! Never thought about that, thank you!
@@donkeywithascarf2435 the 3D checkerboard image? The one that gave you prompts to cut and paste the "two" greys into paint, so it could be revealed as the same damn shade? Meeeemmooriiiiiesss.
My look is ghostly sick boy from the victorian era, I approve of getting the best out of your own skintone!
Omg you made me laugh!
I haven't worn foundation at all until this year (age 62) because of a recent skin condition possibly rosacea. Trying to learn something at this late stage is daunting
Me: "Ugh, I have nothing else to watch today."
Robert: "Hiiiiiiii!!"
Me: "Nice."
Not very flattering😮
@@nelliebly6616 What do you mean? I was excited to see this video was just uploaded the moment I needed something to watch!
Me waiting for Phillip DeFranco to land this morning lmao
I had a mac makeup artist do my makeup at Saks in Boston in the early 2000s and NO ONE else has gotten my colors as on point as he did since then. Even my wedding makeup artist didn’t come close. I wish I remembered his name, he was awesome. So I think Robert is right about the skill not being emphasized anymore.
Yellow foundation has been the bane of my existence. I have cultivated a nerdy glow. Translucent, if you will. But I have a very cool, slightly pink undertone. So many foundations make me look jaundice! I still haven't found a good one that doesn't try to turn me yellow or 5 shades darker
I hear ya!!!!
If you're interested in a recommendation, I've found the wet and wild photofocus foundation in rose ivory is a pretty good match for fair cool-toned skin
Have you tried Mac Studio fix in N4 or N5? My skin is very much like you describe
@@MeadowMonkeyMyers Seconding the wet'n'wild foundation recommendation (tested on my own fair and cool-toned skin). Also L'Oreal True Match in C1 or C2.
I think that people very often don't know what they want from foundation. They want even skin tone (so without redness, melasma, spots etc.) but don't realize that it should also match skin on their body.
I work at Sephora and sometimes it'll take 15 minutes of asking consultation questions and trying out different brands for someone to realize what they want doesn't align with what they initially thought they wanted.
That’s why I recommend using products other than foundation to cover blemishes - color correctors, concealers and good primers can help a lot more than just foundation. Foundation is just a finish!
@@RoseyVamp I wish more people would use cream color correctors over doing full coverage, it looks so great and it is better with dryer/older skin
@@RoseyVamphonestly when I was using LA Girl concealer to do my base, I had a better more natural result than most foundations I’ve tried.
Idk, I'm pale and use foundation only to knock down redness. My neck is a lot paler than my face.
If I match foundation to the palest parts of my face, or even worse to my neck, it will be paler than most of my skin, which makes it look puffy and very unnatural, and make redness bright pink.
I find it a lot more flattering on most people my shade to use a shade that's dark enough to cover the red parts (which are also darker) and doesn't have much red in it, meaning it leans yellow. You just can't use it full coverage all over. And might have to use bronzer on neck and chest.
THE YELLOW PATCHES I thought I was going crazy dude, everyone on TV has these yellow patches and I thought it was color correction until it was on like every skin undertone and I was like who is this. Netflix is especially bad about this.
Also, look at people’s hands nowadays on TV, it’s wild.
As a woman who has a rich deep skin tone, I was always told that Black women are hard to color match. Well, that's not true. Diversity in the makeup space is so important. I figured out that if I matched my skin to the edge of my jawline, I get it right most of the time. That may not work for some people especially if they have uneven skin tone but it has worked for me on myself and others I've helped. I struggle with fairer skin because I'm not used to it. We have to be willing to go outside of our comfort zones and learn from each other. We will always be better for it.
I suspect people also pretend black people are hard to shade match because half the brands literally don't have shades dark enough for black people in the first place
No thanks definitely not me I would prefer to stay away from everyone I don't even acknowledge there around when I do go out but 98% of the time I don't I don't want to learn from anybody nobody has anything to teach me that I find useful in my life because 99% of humans don't have any brains in there head
As a fair person, I find it easier to see undertones in darker skin, not sure why.
It's sheer laziness - so much of what we see in media etc is white faces so people simply aren't used to actually looking at Black ones and knowing which undertones to reach for. Which, okay if the only make up you're ever going to do is your own, but we've got brands out here pretending 'Caucasian with a tan' is sufficiently dark in their products and supposedly professional MUAs that don't bother to train on diverse skin tones. Which to me is flat out incompetence
it’s not that it’s hard, it’s just up until recently there weren’t even shades on the market that could match most black people. they simply didn’t exist
I already saw the patches of yellow on people's skin on tv, but I just didn't know what I was seeing or why?! The video hasn't even begun yet 🤯 and now I've watched the whole thing and it's been great. Fair skinned TikTok girl looked absolutely lovely- it was nice when she noticed her arms were EXACTLY THE SAME SHADE as her new foundation colour. The fake tan look seems quite outdated now, so the 'good lord am I really that pale?' era has begun. I hope that products continue to innovate so that darker skins and lighter skins can all shine and look beautiful. Thanks Robert 😇
I recently bought Armani luminous silk at the airport after seeing how great it looked on a friend of mine. The woman at the counter matched me in like 3 seconds flat AND it was like 5 o clock in the morning! I am a hobbist painter so can appreciate the nuance of colours and undertones and was rightly impressed with her speed! It was so worth getting it right and the compliments I got on it were unending as it matched so well!
Finally! It's so very distracting on many tv shows where you expect there to be professional standards. Yesss, call them out!
My color match makes me look white white white too, but that’s why you need a blush and/or bronzer and/or contour. But I get it, the first time I did my color accurately, I looked drained of life
Same. Would I love to not be wearing the 2nd/3rd lightest shade in a typical drugstore line? Sure... But being pale & neutral, I'm screwed.
At 46(now 50), I finally said the hell w it, & I now pony up for Tarte or Too Faced foundations when on sale. I'd rather pay more (tho still on sale) & love the finished look than "make do" & hate my makeup... While still being really dang pale.
Ngl, when you first started talking I thought you were talking about that brand that made a black foundation for black people. 🤣 I was so ready for you to read them but this video is just as good 😆
Omg yes, I hope he covers the youthphoria scandal!
I hope so too! I did see he did left a comment in Javon Ford’s info and put it on his stories so👀
I just looked it up and holy shit. I hope Robert talks about it too
What brand is this?!
Same 😂
As someone with a dark brown skintone with yellow-peach undertones...I've been having a BLAST with foundation choices nowadays. But even I can say that some foundations out here do seem to be veering towards more mustard yellow vs human with 'hints of' yellow undertones.
Wow, the way you describe the depth to your skin is gorgeous! Any foundations that bring you joy?
@@xXxAngelicKratosxXx Aww, thank you hon.
My staples are CoverGirl Soft Sable. The first decent dark w/yellow undertones match I'd found in the drug store.
Other drug store level foundations are Maybelline Fit Me 356, 355 and 360 depending on time of year.
L'Oreal True Match W9.5 (another great dark w/golden undertones!) or C9 (summer).
Recently got to test the Laura Geller Quench N Tint which for my 45 yo skin was not only a good match for me but looked great!
CoverFX D3 (Power Play, Cream to powder and powder formulas) has been a perfect color match for me with great longevity, immaculate coverage and application. Sadly they discontinued some of their older, much deeper shades.
I really recommend asking a pro to color match you at the store/makeup counter! Idk why I resisted before because my girlie at the charlotte tilbury counter gave me a mind blowing perfect match! She has the most beautiful fair skin and I was like ok whatever you use, I want every product! I love when the pros are truly PROS!
It took me ages to learn how to match my foundation. I spent 35 years not realizing I had olive undertones and then I watched Alexandra Anele review the About Face foundation and I tried the exact same shade she did, and low and behold, it was a perfect match. I though I was warm or neutral for years but it never quite looked right. The Sephora people almost had it right, but not quite.
Yes! She is one of the lightest olive undertones girls. Her eye color makes every eye look stunning too.
She's amazing, love her 👑
Yesss I adore her and that's how I realised I'm a fair olive
Same. I mean, I always knew I had a kind of olive undertone (I even joked a lot as a kid that I must be an alien because of my ‘green’ skin), but everything I saw that was described as ‘olive’ was way too dark for me, so when I stumbled across Alex and heard her talking about being being a ‘pale olive’ I was like ‘girl, thank you!!!’ because I didn’t know that was a thing. Tried the revlon colour stay foundation she recommended, and it was PERFECT for me, and affordable, and one of the brands I’ve found my sensitive skin doesn’t react to. It was a total triumph!!!
I had it the same way.
Omg I saw that first video and was like “Girlllll that’s your shade!!”
I have a cool undertone, based on traditional guidelines. When I buy foundation online, it always ends up peachy (even if it's labelled "cool"). I had to buy blue add-in so I could adjust the tone of several products.
Same. Either I looked like I'd been slapped (too pink) or more often, sallow & sickly.
During one of the Ulta 21 Days a few yrs ago, I tried travel sizes of Tarte Face tape... Omg... It matched 😯😯🤯, & a few months later Too Faced BTW Matte 50% off.
My wallet cries, but the undertone matches along w the shade... I do look like I'm pasty, but if you look at my legs, arm underside, neck & chest... Guess what? I'm pasty pale 🤣🤣
I no longer get comments about my foundation bc it now looks close enough it's hard to tell.
Just sucks that it took until I was 46 to find my perfect shade of foundation.
Glad I don't bother I wear white foundation only and yet I'm extremely white because I stay out of the sun now
Same!
As a hair colorist, I have used a cool
Pink & a soft peachy orange scarf right next to the face to figure out , at least warm or cool. It’s surprising how warm undertones will want cool ash and vice versa. The scarves help figure out the warm, cool or neutral. If both scarves are equally flattering then they are neutral. It’s not a hard-fast RULE, but it does help point people to the most flattering choice.
I so love this video because so often makeup artists (and I think more often makeup influencers) shit talk "normal" people who aren't great at makeup. Thank you for supporting everyone who does makeup!!!
2:32 “The woman at Nars” matched her skin tone 1000000% what is she ranting on about? Your foundation is just that, a foundation to give you the illusion that you have perfect skin. You gotta bring out depth and definition with contour, bronzer and the rest of your makeup.
I 100% know how to. Only once in a blue moon does the light shade actually translate as medium on me. But it seriously drives me INSANE that beauty “gurus” don’t know how to shade match!!!!!!!!
Especially the “pale” ones 😂 They just pick the one that’s “first” in the spectrum, or has the lowest shade number, then say the brand doesn’t make a shade pale enough… They don’t get the concept that the wrong undertone can make it appear “darker”…
It really gets me too. There's one on here I thought of immediately bc she chooses such poor matches. She says she's a yellowy olive but nooooo it turns into a mask. It makes me feel bad. Won't name her but I know you know her.
@@riven799 I wonder if that has something to do with the lighting and how the color looks in the camera? because I see so many of them putting a bronzer and when they're done it looks like two orange stripes in their face and they can't see that??
I'm glad the MUAs I took classes with didn't teach me to just use yellow. Working at Sephora also really helped me match undertones too!
And me personally if you did not sell me the complete white foundation which is all I use due down to been a goth I would personally tell you to f@#$ off and would put a blip on your name especially with your boss and on tiktok
The lady I asked at Sephora to color match my cool toned, fair skinned self chose literally such a dark yellow shade for me 😭😭 I’ve never had luck with other people trying to shade match me
@@Jessicamoon2130if you used the color IQ camera, they can actually adjust the sliders so that it gives better results. They can also try a different shade or ask someone else to shade match. As an employee, pale foundations with neutral/cool undertones do exist! Haus Labs, Nars, Ilia, Milk, Urban Decay, even Sephora Collection. Color matching is a skill that needs developing and I sucked when I first started. At this point, I can just look at a fair skinned person and tell them that they're 1.5 Kosas concealer, Vanilla Nars Concealer, Deauville Nars Light Reflecting Foundation, and 5 Ilia skin tint. Those are the most common fair shades, but each brand listed has lighter options too
Yes! Worked at Sephora too and it was great getting to color match people and see the relief from clients who finally found something that actually worked for them!!
@@Jessicamoon2130nooo I wish I had the chance to color match you!!! As a fair skin girlie I know the struggle of always getting yellow foundation matches 😭🫶🏻
What has helped me was mixing my own foundations shades and seeing which one works the best in the bathroom mirror when the lighting outside is perfect which allows me to see the true color.
Then I started going to Sephora with my little mixture and seeing which foundations match that
That’s such a good idea!
Ty! You don’t waste money of foundations, trains your eye, you’re not returning foundations that will get thrown out, and you can even adjust it when you get tan or lighter it’s a win win
Brilliant!!
As a fair person, especially an American one, some people genuinely mean it as an insult. I’ve definitely had people give me grief over it. I remember when I worked at ulta and lady kept going on and on about how pale I was. Turns out she had a tanning salon and thought insulting me so much about my skin tone would make me want to come to her salon.
Came to love my fair skin tone. My ancestors gave me this beautiful gift!
I’ve called out the yellow tone for years, so much that even hubs sees it lol. If you’re NEW here, absolutely listen to Robert! You’ll learn more or pickup a great tip or two. Love&Blessings, Bella 🇺🇸
I think things like this usually start out as a misunderstood truth. Everyone's skin has a high ratio of yellow, usually proportionately more yellow than red/magenta or blue/cyan. It's always a workable base tone, because you can add more blue, red, yellow, and/or white pigment mixers and eventually match your skin. But if you start out with too cool or neutral of a shade, it's much more difficult to make your skin tone without it looking muddy or grayish.
I'm not sure if that makes any sense, but it's something I know from decades of portrait painting. Mixing any skin tone involves more yellow than anything (excluding white or black) followed by red. Blue is the hardest part of mixing a skin color, if you add too much you can't fix it with a minor adjustment. Cool and neutral foundation shades both have more blue to begin with so starting with yellow makes sense.
If you can ONLY buy 1 foundation and you must make it work with pigment adjusters, yes, absolutely get a yellow tone at least a shade darker (if possible) than you need and 4 pigment mixers (white- unless your skin IS the darkest shade, and primaries.) Darkening a shade is a whole other can of worms because black pigment makes anything with even a hint of white turn grayish 💀 (that's why inclusivity of darker skin is so important even beyond the obvious reasons and most black pigment mixers are a joke.)
This was a whole rant but it's the first time I have heard that people say yellow foundation matches everyone, I'm trying to see the logic lol. I do imagine it began innocently with correct understanding of color theory and then was oversimplified until people thought yellow actually matched everyone!
Now I know why I see so many mismatched foundations with a "jaundice" vibe! 😢
It’s difficult to find even a true neutral undertone in any foundation products any more, evvverything leans so extremely yellow/golden. Theres essentially zero cool undertones in foundation to be found. I’ve actually been shopping, for a while now, for a decent drug store, light-to-medium buildable coverage foundation with a neutral undertone, and while I managed to find a shade match, the product itself is 💩 on me, moves around, clings to dry patches, etc.
I’ve worked in makeup, as well as have freelanced, so I think I have a general idea what to look for (as I’ve been known to shade match clients and get it right on first try more often than not) and I just don’t think companies are producing products with the variety of undertones any more, as evvvveryone seems to think they’re golden/yellow.
As always, love to you🖤🖤
Exactly this! I look like a raging alcoholic with some of my MLM 'friends' recomendations! I'm thinking I did see a foundation colour pallet thing, but it was a fb so quite possibly utter rubbish.
I really need something to help tone down my butterfly rash, but not heavy, and nothing in the Simpsons range. Lol Good Luck! 😊
@@riakendall8610 S I M P S O N S R A N G E 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😫😫
The new mac serum powder foundation works really well! I found that the neutrals were actually neutral so maybe give that a try 🫶🏼 I hated studio fix but this is a completely different formula that doesn't cling to any dry bits or move around etc
@@riakendall8610 S I M P S O N S R A N G E 🤣🤣😫
I am 50 & have never found a drugstore brand w a neutral foundation until maybe mid-tone tan (dunno, I'm pasty pale). I even sold Avon for 16 years & couldn't find a shade that matched.
At 46(now 50), I just accepted that a good tone & shade matching foundation that won't slide off my still very oily face is going to cost. $40-45 is worth it.
I’d love it if we could send our pics/reels to Robert and he corrects placement, undertone, technique. I find these videos so helpful!
Yessss Robert hellppppp meeeee lol
Yellow!
Also, for that first one: embrace the ghost! it can be lovely when done well. :) And your more complete look in the second follow-up looks fantastic!
I think the reason they use full coverage yellow toned foundation, is because that’s what many brands’ lip, blush, bronzer and eyeshadow colours are made for. It’s also the undertone of the makeup of 80 % of people online. They don’t want to do the colour math, they just paint themselves orange and then everything else works with that.
Using the correct foundation shade the first time was a shock for me too! I kinda get where that first girl was coming from. In middle school I was called albino, in high school I was called Edward Cullen, in university I was called ghostly, at my job I was called by a term which I will NOT be repeating here cuz it’s cruel… Some people are just mean and unfortunately it took me a long time to not hate my skin, eyebrows/eyelashes, etc and realize that the opinion of A-holes should be disregarded.
I feel this, in middle school I was "Casper". Then after the 1995 movie Powder came out it was "Powder" from then on....🙄
I had to take solace in the fact others got it way worse, one guy's nickname was "incher", you can take a wild guess why 😬
Ladies. Stop. Your complexion has been coveted by most people for centuries and still is. Stop buying into this lie, you're gorgeous and angelic! Just like ebony is stunning when natural, porcelain skin is extremely beautiful! Just learn how to do your makeup properly and work with it, not against it! It can look absolutely flawless, stop listening to envious people who put you down so they can feel better about themselves, it's a trap. Embrace your angelic beauty!
Yes, my go to was "corpse". I don't like my skin so much but I certainly don't go to people saying mean things about theirs. Now I learned to accept it, and if I have a special event and look really too white for the dress I'm using I'll use some self tanner and a bbcream. I certainly won't stay hours in the sun without sunscreen like I did in my teen years to match a "normal" skin colour.
THANK YOU for talking about undertones other than cool/warm/neutral! After years of trying to figure out why I always look like a zombie or jaundiced, I figured out that I'm a muted fair olive, meaning I'm green and grey - I've had MUAs and ladies at Sephora arguing with me that no, I'm bright yellow, and olive is a depth and not a tone, and no matter how much I show them that everything turns orange or whitish pink on me, they insist I'm wrong. I would love a video from you on colour matching and adjusting what's available to fit these rarer undertones, because it's so confusing.
I'm pretty sure I'm a fair olive but sadly I've never seen olive toned foundations in my country.... ever. So I can't test it
I think im exactly the same!!! Struggled for so long looking too yellow or too red, after years of experimenting I’ve settled for Giorgio Armani luminous silk shade 2, it’s pretty damn accurate and an amazing finish
@@yara-um6tx oh thanks for letting me know I'll try to look for it
@@wingedyerajoocyee has cushion in 6 undertones including 2 types of olive. Also judydoll cushion (b15), girlcult cushion (lightest shade), unny club and galimard liquid foundations
If you have a green color corrector, you could also try mixing it with your current foundation to see if the shade matches better
I am truly pale, and, after years of dealing with horrible rosacea, now no longer have much red in my face due to correct care. As a result, I now have begun to use blush, which has been a bizarre journey to begin at my age! I also learned that I prefer a base that is very natural and has light coverage.
Same story for me.
What did you do to tone down your rosacea? I need help!
@@Lalydia76 I used to color correct with the dr jart tiger grass color correcting spf on the areas that I got super red. Just use sparingly, otherwise you can get an ashy dead tone.
I also use good sunscreens, reapply and wear hats!
@@Lalydia76 Dior and givenchy do a good green colour corrector, very thin consistency so you're less likely to over-do it. If I'm in real trouble, the chanel green colour corrector (not sure if they still do it) is a thicker consistency but be careful with the application. Too many green colour correctors have a thick consistency which means you'll get texture once you apply your foundation.
Can you recommend any products please for rosacea, I've tried many but without success!
That bronzer technique is gorgeous!
I’m really fair with a neutral to cool undertone. I‘ve always hated drugstore foundations here in Germany, they’re way too dark and always way too yellow, even orange. My best match turned out to be the Haus Labs Fair 050. Funny thing is, I‘ve talked to a friend of mine about foundation and she said she doesn’t use any because it‘s always too yellow for her. She associated yellow/orange with it and called it „the typical foundation color, you know“. She was pretty surprised when I told her labels like Fenty, Nars and Haus Labs have a much bigger shade range with a variety of undertones. I‘m honestly happy some brands do and I‘m more than ready to pay 40 bugs for a foundation that finally doesn’t make me yellow.
Robert your goth glam aesthetic makes me so happy. That eye look and the shirt are everything.
OMG. Robert, that shirt is AH-MAZE-ING. And it looks perfect on you.
Matching foundation has been the bane of my existence since about 1984.
18 years???? Blink. How?? I thought you were like 30.
I believe the twins are 80s babies (or possibly very early 90s) and Robert has been doing makeup since he was a teenager, I'm sure I've heard him talk about how his first job was on a makeup counter as a teen.
36-37 I’m pretty sure 37 tho❤ I kno they look like they’re in their 20’s
I have noticed that on TV so often. Thanks for saying it, because every time I mentioned to others they don't see it.
I have also been noticing it- maybe only the Kates have seen this (and Robert of course)
I'm a medium/tan complexion with very red undertones. So many brands don't even offer cool undertones in the medium depth. It's absolutely challenging to find. And for years I was told I have yellow undertones. This probably has a lot to do with the fact that too many makeup artists don't understand the darker shades. And I have been told so many times that there was "a study" that says that 80% of people have yellow undertones. I've since searched, and I have not been able to find that nonsense. There is a massive misconception and people of darker shades are still struggling to be adequately matched with available shade ranges. It's soooo hard. Even Fenty has eliminated shade 270 in newer releases and no longer offer that cool undertone in the medium depth.
I've worked in the beauty industry for years and I always take my time matching clients with their foundation. It's so important to get it right because everyones skin is different. If you can't get the foundation right, the clients trust goes out the window.
Robert never apologize for going off! I could listen to you go off about just about anything because your charm is so magnetic! You don’t even have to even use words sometimes it’s just a look or a side eye and I’m like, he gets it.
Right I need to pay attention, I have no idea what I'm doing when trying to choose foundation. I usually have to get the help of the shop workers but with some of the colours I've ended up with, I think they need to pat attention too 😂 I also love the fact that I have really fair skin, it's testament to my years of avoiding the sun.
I dont wear makeup but i enjoy watching beauty content, and i think the TH-camr Hannah Louise Poston was one of the first creators ive seen actually be aware of how pale they are, and embracing that paleness. Her attention to detail when it comes to complexion is just so good!
I love this video! You were so respectful about this, Robert. Plus, your laugh is infectious.
OMG yes! Yellow seems to be the “go to” these days. I cannot depend on the Ulta, Sephora, or MAC to appropriately match h my skin. I am fair skinned and have blonde hair I can’t tell you how many times I look jaundiced after they “match” me! Thank you for the tips for matching. Much appreciated ❤
Wait you just made me realize ive been subbed to you for 5 years now. Wow. Damn my skincare is pretty good cuz i feel like i havent aged 😂😂 i cant believe its been that long, it feels like 2020 was yesterday.
Recently had my makeup done professionally for a photo shoot and diggity-dog! I peeped what foundation she was using and it was the brand AND shade number I’ve been using for years!!!! The MUA had never met me or seen a picture of me before I was in the chair so she wouldn’t have anything but my naked face to go off of! I felt so validated…
Winning! 😂
You were so sweet to the first person! I agree, they looked fantastic after the blush, mascara, etc.
I know you watch Judy D. No one even ever TRIES to match her 😂 except when she goes to the really good MUA's ❤
How I learned my undertone back in the day 101... noticed that when I tan I actually look more yellow in the areas I "tan" (only pasty white and then YELLOW)... also the one time I put a yellow turmeric mask onto my pasty face and laughed getting out my garbage phone... the phone could not pick up the difference between the yellow mask and my white neck.
Now I remind any foundation person I get to help that I have rosacea and they need to look past my surface redness!
A good way also to figure out your undertone(well at least it worked for me) is to take closeup picture of your face in front of a window in a natural daylight and use color picker on your phone on a bunch of random spots on your face, it gives you color codes that you can then put in chatgpt, based on that it gives you your undertone, and some recommendations on foundations, it is not an ideal match but a good way to start it actually recommended me some of my favorite foundations in a colors that i already use
Just started dabbling in pink blush… for most of my life, I’ve steered to peach shades. I’m getting more experimental in my middle age makeup life.
Hands down… some of the best makeup advice you get *will* be from Robert Welsh. I’ll die on this hill … but def not alone!
The best advice I ever got from a makeup counter, in a dept store was to ck my foundation in natural light - which I do. Most businesses have florescent lighting, which is not good for color matching make up. Neutrals look yellow on me, golden undertone foundations magnify it. I am porcelain skin tone with slight pink cheeks yes,you can see the blue veins under my skin but looking beyond that I am a cool under tone all the way. Yea, no yellow for this gal.
Thank you for calling out the vein test. I’m Mexican American neutral leaning warm and every one of those tests labels me as cool tones deep winter when I’m a deep autumn.
I worked at a Nyx store for 3 years and where I live there is a massive issue when it comes to receiving merchandise. Whenever we would receive items we would get an extremely limited amount of the products that were popular and people actually wanted, yet we would get pressured as sales people to meet sales goals. It was to the point where we felt like our jobs were on the line of we didn’t meet or exceed unrealistic sales goals. We never had anything people actually wanted in stock! So, it was a really common occurrence that we would apply products, like foundation and concealer, that were absolutely not the right match on people and blend it out in such a way that it almost looked like it matched in the store lighting… 😬😬😬 ☠️☠️☠️ I honestly felt so bad, I stopped doing it and I never ever made my goals and I hated hearing my coworkers lie to people just to get them to buy stuff.
As a redhead with VERY PALE skin I STRUGGLE to find a foundation that matches my skin! I do not have a yellow undertone whatsoever and actually have a more cool undertone (even though people often generalize and equate redheads to a warm color palette).
I'm more fair than the first girl, but i LOVE my pale skin!! When I have foundation that matches my skin, I legit look like a ghost, but that's a blank canvas for me to paint! I add a small amount of blush/bronzer/contour and it all looks more normal! I've found that I have to look towards French brands (Dior/Chanel), or albino friendly brands like fenty/r.e.m. beauty to find color matches.
Totally get it, I'm a cool/neutral but the freckles and rosecea create a challenge and make me look warm toned...I def do not have a yellow undertone so it's a nightmare to fine the right foundation, I'm going to look at tom ford architect foundation to see if the pearl might work. If you've any recommendations ie actual shades, please for brands plse let me know!
This is one of your best ever, Robert. Informative ✅ funny ✅ PLUS your own make up is absolutely gorgeous ✅
YES I found it so stupid to ask "do you prefer gold or silver jewellery?"
My skin has olive and warm undertones, but my hair is all ashy, so even with color theory, you wouldn't land on gold. And also I just don't like gold lol
Gold looks best on me, admittedly… I just prefer silver, white gold, platinum, or stainless steel… 😅
@@GenXfrom75 They should add stainless steel for ashy and rese gold for peachy/reddish undertones to the quizzes xD
I love silver. Have only a few good pieces, gifted from relatives. I'm tan most of the year and silver just looks better on me.
Yeah! And white gold/silver/stainless steel looks kinda different in some of us, I am a cool olive with ashy brown hair and white gold looks very different on me compared to stainless steel. It just doesn't look right.
@@sofia_c_1 What looks best on you?
Hey Robert, would you someday make a video about pale olive skin tones and what hues (in blush etc) would be the most flattering? I feel like many pale olives struggle to find a foundation or colors that suit them well. I would be interested in your take on that! Much love as always ❤
I’m a makeup artist and usually I refrain from commenting on tiktok, but I couldn’t resist on that video 😭😭 I always match to the neck or chest (depending on several factors) because a lot of people have surface redness and discoloration on their face
I love your opinions Robert, I work in makeup and always say exactly this to people who get confused with undertones etc ❤
Thank you for acknowledging my existence 😢 blue undertone here
Great content. I’m neutral and fair. Yellow base foundations look dreadful on me. there are many makeup brands that lean towards yellow foundations. I stay away from them I don’t want to look like a banana or mustard on a hotdog 😂 I have no problem picking out a foundation from years of trial and error ♥️☮️🖤. Experience is sometimes the best teacher 🎉
Remember when that banana powder was the thing? Yikes
@@maryeckel9682 yes. I still see it for sale and always have a chuckle 🤭
Thank you for helping with undertone understanding. As someone who is pale and has warm undertones it's hard to find a shade that isn't too warm or too yellow. Drives me nuts, my current foundation probably isn't a perfect match but it's the best I can do with what I've got lol
Robert, this has been my absolute biggest pet peeve forever!!! 😤
Even back during the early 2015-2016 rise of full beat makeup looks I absolutely hated the yellow undertones in so many foundations and concealers!
Oh and as someone who used to work at Sephora my favorite thing that I took pride in doing was color matching!
The things I did to make sure I always got a true match were:
1. Checking the skin type, undertones and the finish the client wants
2. Having them swatch a few on the inner arm and letting it oxidize for a bit
3. Swatching a bit on the face and then having them look at it in 2 different lightings - the store light and natural light!
Oh and as a fair skin girly myself I think it’s super important to realize that if you don’t want to look “paler” please look at medium to light coverage and something with a pink undertone!!! Because I too was a super fair match for full coverage foundation that made me look like a ghost but then I found a tinted moisturizer that brought out my rosy undertones better while still allowing me to even out the color of my skin! It just takes time to find what works for you!! ❤
Okay here's one reason I struggle with this, even as an artist myself: every single human skin tone is a warm color. I understand that the undertones are different, like the literal color red is as warm as possible but still you can have reds that lean more cool or more warm without being a different color.
But I think I'm missing the context of what's considered to be a cool vs warm vs neutral skin tone, because for example you can have the coolest undertones in the world and your skin is still technically a warm color because you're not grey and you're certainly not blue.
So like where are the lines? What is the circle we've all agreed upon where everything within it is neutral, and everything to one side is comparatively warm and everything to the other side is comparatively cool? What are we comparing it all to?
There’s no standard. Each makeup brand has they’re own definition of what warm, neutral and cool toned means. It’s generally accepted that cool means more pinkish(lighter shades)/ reddish (darker shades), warm means more yellow (lighter)/orange (darker) and neutral is “equal parts warm and cool”. The line is undefined though. This is why people who upload swatches will get into heaven.
It’s about undertone and overtone. Undertone can be cool, but overtone varies from neutral to lightly warm in summer. Like that you can choose more neutral foundation in summer and autumn and more cooler for winter. How to express it in Art, I have no idea. Maybe un oil paintings it’s possible by layerings colour.
P.s. my skin never looks warm, even with a tan wich I get very slight even going for vacation.
I see that is the perfect colour match on the 1st girl. And yes, she needs to use blush.
I think she's not ready for full coverage if she's that freaked out.
@@maryeckel9682I thought it was hilarious. Like Robert said pale people take the word pale as an insult. You just are. What word would you prefer we use?
@@nightgoddess9 I figure pale is as good a description as any 😉 I'm not nearly that light, so I would guess it's not easy to find a match to begin with. I think she's beautiful, but she doesn't seem to be accepting her hue.
As someone who is also the color of unpainted drywall, I've long accepted my fate 😂
No. Your skin is beautiful and you should stop calling it like that. What a horrible way to think about your skin, you're doing a disservice to yourself, truly.
as a fellow ghostly girlie, just be happy they have shades light enough for you with the proper undertones now because when I was growing up in the 2000s, we had ONLY yellow or orange undertones, no matter how pale your skin was, often it didn't get light enough for me, so my base would be not only ORANGE when I have a neutral undertone, but also several shades too dark, and it ALWAYS looked insane 😂
edit: I also have a lot of redness and robert is obviously correct in that you can't use a full coverage base and get it over your lashes and brows and NOT also do the blush and brows and lashes because you will absolutely look dead otherwise lmao it also doesn't help if like me, you're pale with lighter hair (and therefore lighter natural lashes and brows too)
oh! also, highly recommend using blush to contour rather than a bronzer because on pale girlies, most bronzers tend to look like bad fake tan 😅
I was shade match years ago when I first started doing makeup, to golden yellow undertones, but it never really matched me. My face always looked yellow or orange, and it was noticeable. I tried different shades until I came across Olive Undertone. I didn't even know there was such a thing I always see cool, neutral, or golden. I'm glad more brands are adding olive undertones to the deeper shade. Not everyone is yellow or red, lol!
And sometimes a certain brand just doesn’t have your shade. It may have your “number”, but lack undertones, so you just look for the base product among other brands.
I don't know why but your eyes in that older vid about colour matching absolutely caught me off guard 😍😍
lol as an extremely pale person, I can say that we react defensively because we've been dealing with people complaining how we're blinding them, or telling us to get a tan, or asking if we're the undead our whole lives 😂
I've been bullied because of my pale skin back in school 😔
In high school I had a classmate tell me my pale legs “looked sickly” and if she were me she’d never wear shorts. That’s how I ended up wearing jeans for a whole summer 😭.
I am also extremely pale and embrace it now. I always wear sunscreen nowadays. First of all I am more likely to burn but also I don't want to end up with all kinds of patches and sundamage. It's not a good look. I will never have a "sexy tan" and that is ok
I agree with some other comments here saying that she was given a product that she really wasn't looking for...
She is looking for something more like a tinted moisturizer, a BB cream, or a CC cream. Something that provides a light to medium coverage (but is also buildable for 'troublesome' areas), but doesn't take too much away from her natural look.
The au naturel look is pretty 'in' at the minute, and so are lower maintenance make-up routines (leaving skincare out of the equation here, even though it's massive right now and massively important). Full coverage foundation isn't the best option for someone looking for either of these preferences, as it involves much more (adding back definition and color, etc.), which typically does not give a very 'natural look'.
I worked in cosmetics and skin care for a couple of different big name brands at a department store for a while, and had to be trained/certified to provide services for customers/clients. If she was matched at a make-up counter or store, it sounds like whoever helped her didn't take the appropriate time to really dig deep into what the customer was ACTUALLY wanting or needing, versus what she may have been SAYING that she wanted... Consumers frequently don't know exactly what they need or want (many simply just don't know, or like to follow trends and how one person achieves a look may not work for another, etc.), which is why they seek out people who have been trained in whatever their specialty is. Her consultant did her a little dirty by just hearing 'I want X', matching her, and ringing her out instead of working with her for 5-15 more minutes and finding the best product for her.
You just popped up in my recommendations yesterday and I am really loving your videos. I am also glow in the dark pale. I had a zoom meeting and my head kelp disappearing into the blurred background. I am 50 years old and i still haven't found a color match as good as hers.
There are (non beauty) youtubers I enjoy that even in their thumbnails the face is not necking. I can even see the difference when I have Nightlight cranked up to maximum warmth, AND I am color blind! I just want to help!!!
I'm mixed race, Melungeon specifically, and have a ton of yellow tones, and it's so hard to match my skintone without looking jaundiced 😂
I have ALWAYS been fascinated by makeup and used to buy lots of makeup books in my teens, my favorite being “Making Faces” by Kevyn Aucoin. I bought one from Bobbi Brown and I remember reading that she recommended a yellow undertone foundation for everyone. I am pale with pink undertones. I feel like it was terrible advice from a well-respected makeup artist.
But, to her credit, I was a teen in the late ‘90s and early 2000s and could not tan, at a time when having a tan was EVERYTHING. She wrote a whole chapter about the things we perceive as our flaws being what makes us most beautiful, including fair skin. That really helped me love my fair skin, regardless of what was popular.
Its perfectly fine to mix shades if you are in between. I was a hidden olive until i found the right match. When matching foundation, GO OUTSIDE and look at it in natural lighting. Wear it for awhile to see if it changes color.
You’re hands-down my favorite beauty TH-camr.
Her expectations vs. reality is the problem, the reality is she has genuine porcelain color skin which is beautiful but she sees it as looking dead, the foundation is heavy but it does a good job of covering the redness on her face that she probably thinks is her normal skin tone!
Damn, nars has really light tones in stock! I'm jealous xD
I aspire to ever look like her, I think it looks cool. Not a casual look tho xD
When and why did lighter skin tones get a bad rep? :/ Saying you have light skin should not be an insult o.O
It’s really only considered a bad thing in the UK, they’re really into tanning. Maybe there’s a stronger positive association between being tan and having enough disposable income to vacation. Dunno but it’s very odd, especially since the US seems to have largely moved passed being obsessed with tanning/tans.
@@spaceaids1498 It's almost everywhere in europe. I live in Germany and I cannot find my actual shade in stores, even in those with more expensive brands.
It's different in asian countries of course, but from what I know it's a western problem
Excellent video! Thank you (again) for the great advice! When I modeled in the late 80s, I was almost always the only black or brown model in the set. The MUAs never had anything even remotely close to my shade. I had to bring my own makeup every single time. There was a godsend of a makeup artist (in Tallahassee FL) who would mix my foundation for me, to take to shoots.
Matching foundation has always been an issue. Not just because I didn't know how (but that was a huge part of the problem for a long time), it was also shade ranges. I'm Indigenous American, and there weren't a lot of options out there that covered my skin tones.