Hello again friends, thanks for stopping by! Sorry if this got a little rant-y, I just have a lot to say about the speedrunning community as a whole and wanting it to be a welcoming hobby that doesn't chew people up over time. I hope videos like these can at least help get that going in the right direction. If there's anything else you want me to check out, feel free to let me know! I'm also still working on OC too so that I'm not just using everyone else's videos to sound off on. Have an excellent day!
I just found this chanel and i like your commentary but... you over do it, with videos have alot of commentary and narator you should just comment on some big point not every single detail, i'm said this because i like your chanel.
Thank you so much! It definitely seems like a bigger undertaking but I think with input from yourself and others in the speedrunning community it could be very productive.
Ya know, I used to watch your videos. Then you decided to throw a tantrum, directed personally at me, in the comments of one of your videos because I put out an opposing opinion as a talking point. It was the first time anyone I watch has ever responded to my comment, and you acted like a toddler, insulting me and telling me how wrong I am for thinking differently about some speedrunning topic. It was really disappointing, cause your videos are actually very well put together, and I was literally just putting out my thoughts. Let me tell you, I don't take the internet seriously at all, but I was very taken aback. I hope you respond better to dissenting opinions now than you did a year or so ago. EDIT: Oh, wow. I got curious, so I checked. Almost exactly a year ago on your Goldeneye vid. Happy angerversary! I forgot that you had deleted your comment berating me afterward too. Good thing my comments still exist, and if they don't after today, then you're still as petty as before. Again, I hope you really have improved and don't treat other people like that. Especially since some of them are kids, you asshat. :)
@@TheCrateOfLemons Who is this directed too? Just curious, and also it seems like a bit late to talk about something that happened a year ago. What happened, what did your comment say?
@@roguedude1299 It's directed to Karl Jobst. Like I said, his videos are excellent quality, but he blew up at me for sharing my opinion in the comments then deleted his comment. I had literally just said that something might be different than how he described, giving my two cents. Dude went off, saying how he was "glad we don't base the rules off your feelings" and the like. I only mention it now because he was included in the video, was portrayed as a great guy, and he commented himself. I didn't go looking for him. I just think it's fair to make people aware that he has a problem keeping his mouth shut if he has nothing nice to say. If he's better now, awesome. If not, it doesn't matter that it was a year ago. People should be aware when someone is acting poorly.
Nah mate, they're often overprotective of their stuff, Badabun would go as far as to Copyright Strike anyone in the Spanish side of TH-cam who used even a single unedited second of their content, and when the Speedrunning community caught wind of this video, they decided to deactivate the comment section and the like/dislike bar, they're scummy af so they're pretty hated, as for the guy Tavo I would assume they just yeeted him under the bus, a man dragged down by a corporate YT channel, think of them like T-Series but being complete jerks who'd abuse the Copyright System, I dunno if Badabun is still active but I don't really care
It's so sad. Like I know I'm naive to the ways of the giant channels, but like I just want speedrunning to be open to everyone. Idk I want it to be a community AWAY from all the BS that's out there so to see channels not only trying to take that but to slap some more garbage onto it. Bums me out to say the least.
@@YoBGS Yeah, the problem with them, in regard to other videos, is that they use bits of other youtubers for example with the typical top 10 but when someone uses a little bit of them, they go all crazy. And a lot of other videos are fake as well, they supposely caught couples cheating, but the couples are all actors as well, they found a stray dog and raised it, but later they found out that it was owned by one of them since birth. Heck, the worst thing they did was that they raised a charity to help a little girl to get surgery (I don't remember for what exactly) and they did it, but then they took all the money and never talked about the subject again. It's not a surprised they are the most hated spanish channel in the world, fortunately they are no longer on youtube and the staff fully apologized, but the owners disappeared and never got caught. (BTW I'm mexican :v)
From what I can tell and from what numerous comments have told me is that Badabun is a pretty disliked channel in the Latin sphere, and its not the first time they have done something like this for views and played it straight. Imo I think it was more about views and less about actually trying to make a legit run, as a regular passerby would see the video and never follow up on it. In the end, the only ones who know what their objective was is the video creator themselves.
That's what is so weird though. Even your most casual gamer knows that is NOT the Mario theme, and that's the first thing they hear. It's like they went out of their way to do that. Maybe it's for engagement? Like a million comments of "Why is the audio messed up?" Hard to say.
@@YoBGS perhaps? I know the idea was thrown out that it could be to avoid copyright but its still very weird Hard to say all around xD hopefully anyone who got inspired by it in the end has fun the the speedrun community tho!
@@YoBGS I don't understand the appeal of a heart rate monitor for a non-physical game. I mean, if you are playing DDR or similar games, sure, but for a Mario speed run?
I feel a lot of these people that cheat runs don't do it for money or followers, but they seek recognition and validation from a community that they feel they're a part of, that's what valuable for them IMO
Which is why I’m glad so many TH-camrs have gotten big for speedrun content that isn’t world record runs. Opening up the world of what a community gives validation to makes it possible for someone to be like “okay I can’t world record this game. But maybe I can make tutorials/IL strats/something else and still do my part”
@@YoBGS Absolutely agree! It should be light hearted competition, pushing the boundaries of games, not a bitter contest where you do what you can to get "1st"
Actually they do it for followers and like the "look, we are milenials" thing, i know cause i know them before this speedrun thing, spanish is my language, and they are a shame for us latin american people, they arent just a youtube channel, they are a full companny thar goes for money by faking beeing "cool" and faking beeing the best humans that touched this planet at any time
I think they were playing it straight, not as a meme. I don’t think his reactions come off as making a joke, but as someone showing of his skills. Honestly I think the reason for the choices made in this video are obvious: - Time was already explained; a run fast enough to be impressive, but not so fast to garner interest from more serious speedrunners (Though clearly it did) - The game is a classic, tons of people can relate to having played it, and how hard it would be to get that time for your average player - The clips they chose were using visually impressive strategies. They didn’t want a crazy fast run, but they did want to show that Tavo was able to make those pixel perfect jumps and adjustments. Basically this was a channel that wanted views, and chose to do so with something they didn’t know much about. I don’t think they though to research whether a move was physically possible with the controller they had or the animation cycles of coins because your average person wouldn’t think of that. They just wanted a quick way to make money with minimal effort.
But wouldn't the quick way to just be to jack someone else's run? Pitching audio, layering an upper third, editing several runs together, all of this takes time. People can relate to it sure, but they can also relate to that not sounding like Mario. You see it on FB all the time when a WR run pops up there, everyone wants to call it fake. And this channel took extra steps to ensure they got called out. It's just bizarre.
@@YoBGS I feel like a lot of the decisions make more sense if viewed as a failed attempt to fix issues with the continuity. For example, they start with the TAS for the game but decide that to make it less obvious and to slow down the run they spliced in clips from other runs. However now the audio sounds odd because they got the clips from people with different recording setups so they distort the audio to make it less noticeable. Then someone recognised that the number of coins and the times on the screen were inconsistent, so they made an overlay to hide it. And so on. Overall I think the reason that all this happened was because badabun probably had somebody else make the video and then got someone else to pretend to play it. This would likely explain the incompetence since although it looks like they were making it harder on themselves an amateur can often find a 10 step solution to a 2 step problem simply from inexperience and then just hand it to the people running badabun and they just go with it since it looks fine at a glance.
@@YoBGS You give them too much credit. There are tons of videos debunking pieces of Badabun's content (most in spanish mind you). From hired actors for pranks, to faking interviews by splicing footage. Badabun is not "one speedruner", it's a straight up corporation. The biggest theory is that nabbing a whole run would've ended in a set time and be recognizable, so they put a trainee who's most likely 18 years old and has never touched mario bros to edit it. It just needs to "look" legit.
@@YoBGS You also have to keep in mind the target audience. Badabun doesn’t generally make content for gamers. Their target audience aren’t generally going to be the people who will easily note weird pitching in the audio, or weird visual glitches. Most of their audience probably hasn’t played this game in years (if at all) and would chalk all the weird stuff to it being an old game. And for sure it would be easier to just steal someone else’s footage, but I think of it as if you’re gonna steal, why not steal all the different cool tricks? (And splice those together into a believable run?). Also, maybe trying to stay under TH-cam’s radar in terms of copied content
@@Pyromaniacalsquirrel Very good points. Although I feel like the average person knows the Mario level 1 song, but maybe that's just because of my experience. One thing's for sure, with all of the effort they went to to put this experience together they could've done some legit good for the community. But I gather that's not their MO
"Dream isnt fighting the ender dragon while juggling" As true as that is his 1.14 WR does include him renaming his sword to something stupid for no reason :P
I dunno, man. Feels like you are blaming the alcohol in the store instead of the alcoholic that buys the product. The cheaters choose to cheat, not matter how immoral it is. And if it is for world records, then you are messing up with other people as well.
I think you're giving a lot of credit to Badabun. They may have a lot of subscribers, but there are actually a lot of people who really hate their content because they always try to get views no matter what, including click bait, lying and faking stuff like this run. I don't think the run is actually meant to be a meme or to be so wrong that they could be caught and get dem views. They just wanted the views and went and stole content in order to get them. That's what they do best. I really like your channel, you should have a lot more subs and views. (Also, sorry if my english is not always the best, I'm mexican and my first language is spanish... so yeah. That's also why I know the kind of thrash content Badabun makes)
Thank you! I appreciate the context. It just seems like such an overly obnoxious way to fake a run. If they're lazy, there are many easier ways to achieve the same goal. That's what baffled me
@@YoBGS You shouldn't try to unterstand Badabun. They make really lame content. Watch a TH-cam video titled "Hombre corre como Perro Exponiendo Infieles | Badabun". 'Exponiendo infieles' is a show they made where they supposedly catch cheating people by giving them money to look at their phones. This is a clip of an episode where a girl finds out his boyfriend is cheating on her and runs away, and the cheater runs like a dog behind her. That became such a meme in Latin America. And, by the way, that show was also known for being fake.
Im so happy to watch you react to this! I believe tavo's "run" became a meme after karl jobst's video. Imo babadun wanted to enter the speedrunning cloud or something. I feel like the video is not presented as joke (comments are disabled) and the public of that channel probably doesnt know much about speedrunning so they believed this to be true. Yeah, this probably was for money and views
But like, making this to enter the speedrunning world is like burning the gym down to try and become Homecoming King. Literally any other route would've been more effective lol.
@@YoBGS Badabun has some notoriety for just doing that. They'd probably shoot their own Grandmas on camera if it brought clicks. And sure they ABSOLUTELY expected to be called out. But not before going viral as they did. Badabun has a reputation for crapping on other people's reputation. Honestly if I spoke Spanish i'd still never ever click on one of their videos. If it makes clicks and thus money it's good. As I said they'd shoot their own grandmothers on cam if they thought it brought them clicks
Badabun didnt need a viral video; their fanbase was *way* higher than any of the accounts from whom they stole footage. And considering other videos the badabun channel has uploaded. I do believe they did it with malice, as an effort to get more views and money without caring about the effects of what they're doing and completely oblivious to the fact that they're making a mockery of speedrunning. Badabun loves getting into drama, and they used to be super report-happy against anybody criticizing them in spanish (no idea if thats the case now, but it used to be) and copyright striking anybody using even 1 second of their footage and, from what I remember, threatening with defamation lawsuits. Like another comment mentioned, when the speedrunning community discovered the video instead of saying haha yes its a parody or whatever, they blocked the likes/disliked ratio and disabled comments on the video. Both you and Karl make good points about why speedrunners cheat, but.... this is the thing: Badabun isnt a speedrunning channel. Tavo isn't a speedrunner. They're just a channel trying to create stuff that people watch so they can get that sweet ad money, and they saw speedrunners, they probably saw events like GDQ where theres a lot of money flowing for charity, they said "Hey we want some of that money", chose a game that's immediately recognizable even from people who never played videogames and started picking the best footage they could find and mixed it. As for why faking the clock, very probably to keep all the insane feats that the original runs have without drawing attention for the short time. The speedrunning community is very welcoming towards people who want to do it. But nor Tavo nor Badabun intend to be speedrunners; they just want as much money as possible without the effort of having to learn the game and grind it for years until they get a good timer. Editing and splicing videos is easier, over all if most of your audience are kids who arent going to doubt what they're seeing, and that are going to go defend their 'idols' when they think they're being attacked, proven with the comments that the real runners have been getting complaining because they "stole" their footage from the thieves.
It's so refreshing to hear this kind of perspective. In the community, you dont usually hear people trying to understand why people cheat as opposed to the fact they cheated. Time is the most limited resource we have on this planet, and when we don't feel like we're given a proper return for our investment, we tend to take shortcuts. I dont speedrun, so I dont really know, but as an observer in the community, it looks like there's nothing to be gained from not performing well on a run. I can at the very least understand why a majority of people cheat, even if I don't agree with it.
I just think if we can keep making speedrunning less of a solitary hobby, people may feel less inclined to cheat. When world records are the ONLY way to get recognized, of course people will do a lot for them. But there's so much speedrun adjacent content out there now that you don't even have to actively run to build a following. We need the stress of speedrunning to be more normalized, instead of just laughing at them for being "cringe" and moving on.
This is the second video i watch from you, and i must say you are a super nice guy, but one thing i must say, you may not know the channel that made that fake speedrun, but they are trully a scummy company, they only do videos for views not caring about anything. But well languaje barrier, but don't worry, i understand that you wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, i don't blame you.
This run is definitely not a meme. Badabun has always had this bad reputation of content theft, and it would not surprise me if this was an actual attempt to make a speedrun. In fact, it would surprise me if this was a meme.
There was the diplomatic tensions between the USA and Iran, there were the fires in Australia. But even though all that happened, it wasn't worse than any other years news. Tensions between the US and other nations are pretty common historically speaking. And all that was far away from the common person. Only when our every day life got dramatically changed has this year gone to sh#t
He was totally not cheating! His snes was delayed, and malfunctioned. The SNES needed God. The Pizza was his star, speeding him up by a single frame, but made him lose the run! I'm joking, sometimes a random joke can ease things up, but. I know he cheated; it seemed like he had the top of another video, and the main screen of the other. Please do stay safe everyone; and as someone who is planning on speedrunning a game in the future, just to experience and have fun. I hope you have fun and get better at the games you speed-run!
@@YoBGS badabun is a company known here in Latin America for doing this kind of thing just to earn subs and visits, they don't care if something badly edited comes out, inventing false stories, stupid things like exposing infidels, yes, and that last one is one of the most popular for how bad and cliche it is
I feel like you're romanticizing cheaters, while I do not think they deserve to be publicly ridiculed or perma banned from their platforms, I don't think your view of them is very positive or beneficial, as, whether intentional or not, it came off to me, personally, as if you don't want cheaters to be punished, or that you're posturing about having a moral high ground. If I am wrong, please feel welcome to tell me how in a reply of some sort.
this run has become such a fascinating way to see how the big yt channels work, Badabun, as i think you know by now, is a really hated channel in"the hispanic community they have stolen a lot of content from lots of people and have a lot of really messed up dirt (as a company in general) and well if i'm not mistaken the reason why the run is so over the place with the editing and the multiple segments, is for them to not get a strike by the multiple youtubers (and that is really dumb the segment itself should grant them a strike) and well Tavo was just the face of that particular video, he just went that day to work and was told to fake playing a game, so he wasn't at fault... yeah so my explanaition is also kinda all over the place ha ha but yeah i loved the video, grettings from México
See I kinda was willing to give Tavo a break because if you watch him he doesn't look like he understands the magnitude of the achievement. If it was his idea like you figure he'd be acting to play it up to the camera. He finished the run and it's like someone tells him to act surprised so he just jumps into it. This thing is an adventure to be sure.
Goddamn, can you stop defending? I know you have your opinions, but please man, cool it a tad down. I still enjoyed the video a ton, but that was a bit too much.
Definetely not a meme/joke run and not "made to be busted". As a Mexican, the best paralel is thinking of Babadun like 5-minute crafts or Blossom. They'll edit very VERY fake videos, that rake on the clickbait and when confronted they straight up deny the videos being fake. This was an example of a gaming video, they also had "Cheaters caught!" videos, where it was proven they hired actors and had some interviews were purposely cut to make one party look bad.
See, it's that reasoning that makes me think they made it to try and start drama on purpose. Maybe even that's giving them too much credit but I just wouldn't be shocked if that was their angle
I’m just 1 second short (5m 13s) of Badabun’s “claimed time” (5m 12s). The difference is that my runs are actually verified by speedrun.com. I feel the need of cleaning my country’s name. MrDino is 5m 07s and TMR is 5m 08s both legit Mexican runners and here I go pushing Badabun out.
Yeahhh my next race in Mystery Tournament 15 is against TMR, I’m not looking forward to it. But I appreciate you shouting out some awesome Mexican runners
The contest by ezscape was the first time in a long long time they had cheating in the Pokémon crystal leaderboard, the person who got caught actually was an active speedrunner who then was banned from the site, I don't understand why you risk your whole account for a raffle contest
(about if the run is a meme) I'm pretty sure it's not, Badabun has done scummy stuff multiple times to get attention. Not hating, but they don't have the best reputation in Latinoamérica Greets from Venezuela man, nice video
I feel like the main problem is that one only gets recognized as a good runner when you got a world record. But if you've submitted a top 200 or 500 run in a popular game that already means a player is insane and crazy skilled. No one cares though and the player feels super bad although he's very good....
That’s why I started making the TH-cam content I did. My goal was to prove that even without being a WR holder in a AAA game you can still build a nice home for yourself in the speedrunning community. I hope that will make people realize you can be a good runner without those god-tier times
I think they really wanted it to be real. They didn't expect people to find out it was fake and for it to blow up. Their original video has comments turned off and is massively downvoted and they never answered back, to my knowledge anyways, to these claims.
This is a great video YoBGS,I love you're vids they are very long which i like and very interesting^-^ Keep up the good and entertaining work. Idea:You could maybe show us some of you're speedruns its ok if you dont want to.
Haha I think they're all on speedrun.com, but I actually have a video planned for Wednesday that will involve doing a run. I gotta knock the rust off first tho!
@@YoBGS That is a good point but thing like this almost always come in different degrees of severity so while yes most people would fake it to trick their freind some will prefer to do it on a bigger scale almost like their chalenging themselves to see how far they can get without getting caught because the thrill of getting away with it feels realy good.
If this run is a joke? I'm going to have to say no. I'm familiar with Badabun (it's an incredibly infamous channel in hispanic youtube). It is very in-line for them to make fake videos that might trick only the most casual of viewers, all for views. Their content is all very 'facebook sharing material', if you get what I mean. They also seem to have sported a little of a trashy, proud attitude when called out. I wouldn't be surprised if the people at Badabun did not even know the speedrun community was a thing.
Here a Spanish speaker. I am going to tell all the story about Badabun and all about their company. (If somethign is misspelled i'm really sorry). Badabun is a Mexican Company that makes ''viral videos'' for TH-cam (in the past was in a web page). The contracts to work at Badabun are AWFUL, they have al of your paswords, you can not use your own social media pages, literaly YOU are from their propriety, you can not say anything bad about em'. They always try to look like they are good persons and very moral. But they're not. For example, in the videos where the are ''''saving animal'', actually, all it's acted. Those animals were actually harmed for them. If you say something bad about em' in a video, they will copyright it, in that way, they can take it down and you probally are going to get a strike. The people from South America and Spain we hate em', we discovered all the thing bad that they did. The most of the people who worked there they leaved the company. It's not the firts time that they do this, they're people that nobody has to talk about em' any more, this channel got popularity because of the clikbait and those stuff. Everyone here in Sout America we forgot about they're channel to stop gaining views, clicks and the most important, money. this is a summarized thing about everything wrong they did. If you want to more about em', do it. but don't click in ANY of they're videos. From here (Argentina), i just want to say sorry for this people, if you actually got here, just want to say thanks!. -a Random Guy in the Internet for Another Guy in the Internet.
Thank you. "Miss" was the word I was missing and my brain kept wanting to translate it as something that could've hinted at it being fake. That's why I asked.
The most obvious reasoning to me about why this video exists is that 100% of the entire channel's content is outsourced to multiple people, mostly freelance teenagers fresh out of college, with no prior work experience, no communication between any of the branches that goes into making the video, so you end up with massive contradictions in the content they produce. They're a corporation that makes massive amounts of money off of other people's hard work. The actual people who worked on it don't even get minimum wage for their efforts. Forget why people cheat in speedruns, let's talk more about why corporations are allowed (and sometimes encouraged) to abuse the working class and treat them like expendable for the sake of company profits. If their content doesn't make sense in context, then it's safe to assume the company doesn't know anything about anybody other than their target audience, which makes the CEOs oblivious to the other people that might expose them for extortion.
I have to say, at one point i was interested in the speedrunning community, and still are a bit (that is why i am here) but the first thing i found out after digging even a smidge deeper than the surface was an avalance of "cheaters exposed", "cheaters exposed but were protected by the community", "person tries to expose cheater but gets kicked out of community for daring to do that" and so on. The first picture a lot of people (including me) get about the speedrunner community is: Everyone cheats and no one really cares about. Speedrunning is basically the bike sports or bodybuilding of video games. Everyone uses doping and no one cares about it and You have almost no chance to get big if You don't do it at least a little bit. I guess that frightens a lot of people. I for example like to watch the occasional speedrun, but are not interested in the "top player" stuff, more the "casual" type of speedrun
Much as I'd love to clickbait people it's nothing groundbreaking. I asked him how it feels to basically be aging out of the high score community, how he's trying to stay relevant, what he thinks about speedrunning, but the whole thing was to promote this big appearance he was doing. So it's no 60-minutes interview lol
@@YoBGS I'd still like to see it out of curiosity but I understand that its not enough for a video, maybe you could make a compilation video of all the things that arent long enough for a full video but yeah i can see that this isn't any priority ^^
I think maybe what he means by high-ability runners feeling entitled to a WR is that they know they can do it. They see their sum of best, they know what's possible, they know what's within their abilities as a runner, and the only thing in the way is that pesky RNG. At some point they have two choices: keep playing until they happen to get a perfect run, or just splice a perfect run. It's the same result either way, right? But one option is just less time consuming. I think that's the slippery slope these kinds of people maybe tend to fall down.
I bet you're right. That really makes a lot of sense although idk when you become the head of a community especially something like Mario you're gonna have a lot of people questioning you, for advice more than anything. To not know the answers to those questions or to have to lie is just, idk I'm not wired that way.
Belive me, as a latin american, i (and all latin americans here) know badabum very well, it is not a joke, they did tried to be serious with it, jusr like the fake videos of them resquing dogs, when there is proofs that they themselfs put those dogs in a bad position so they could make a video resquing them
As a Filipino, I do hate Badabun. I'm in the Super Mario Community for 5 years and Badabun copied people's top leading speedruns content. Well, I'm the new subscriber ! You're interesting to reacting videos !
I can't believe I've never seen your content before (I came with Jaiden). Your analysis is so wholesome, so kind. It's all about mental health, and not judging, and just straight-up treating people with basic kindness. You are a role model for the (sometimes) intolerant gaming and speedrunning communities.
Thank you so much for the wonderful words! It's part of why I like doing reactions because, idk, it seems like a world that can be kinda toxic. So if I watch folks and let them know they're awesome, maybe other people will too. Obviously this is kinda the exception haha
yeah... that Badabun Mario Run... here in Mexico no one likes Badabun, they're like the lowest of the low with real shitty content, I'm so sorry for burning your eyes with their utter trash vids. also, the Badabun video wasn't a joke sadly, most of their stuff is like that
On the subject of "why do they feel the need to cheat?" All variations of the question are useless to ask. The only question that matters is "did they cheat?" If no, they're good, if yes, all officially recognized runs are revoked and they lose the ability to have legit runs recognized in the future. Personally, I'd go with a 3-strike rule where if a player has cheated on 3 or more runs, that's when they lose the ability to have runs officially recognized. That said, at no point does the question of "why" enter the equation, nor should it. I can appreciate playing devils advocate but cheating in speedruns is one of the few subjects in the world where the "why did they do it" question is almost entirely irrelevant as the answer will not change with that knowledge: a cheater still cheated regardless of the reasoning.
The why: They're desperate for content. The channel in question is one of those assembly line channels that just pumps out crap at a rapid, steady rate. They need more videos than they have ideas. Not unlike certain media corporations I could name...
its plagiarising other peoples work to get views, belittling what others accomplished. they could have admitted it was fake they could have let him speedrun normally (no matter how long) they could have credited real speedrunners they basically made fun of other speedruns and stole their runs.
A potential reason they don't put the bare minimum of effort in is that they don't respect there viewers. If all they need is enough difference to be confident of no copyright and enough consistency that someone who has played the game wouldn't immediately call BS and instead assume speedrun strats, why bother with making it look reasonable.
Can we all point out that the original vid he was watching was 17 minutes but this vid is 37 minutes. he added 20 minutes just from intro,outro, and pausing I don’t hate him for that but that’s talent 🤔
Im brazilian and i have a good grasp of spanish there was no indication what so ever. For what i gathered is just some "crazy" acomplishment for the next big viral video and not part of your intresting debate on why they cheat discussion
Im peruvian (so i speak spanish) and let me tell you, we all hate badabum before and after this speedrun thing There is a lot of things telling they are fake in not just this kind of things, these guys literally traped a dog in the drain so they could make a video "resquing" it
im a chronic liar ill lie about all sorts of stuff. its not about cheating to make your self feel better about getting the next PB its about getting that praise from others. Especially when your good at something you get that high from all the rooting for you all that praise. and as you hit that skill ceiling and you stop getting PBs or you just really want that WR and your close. you build up anticipation and expectations for that praise. and cheating allows you to get it NOW i mena your good at the game you could get it its just taking longer than it should so boom instant gratification.
another big BIG reason people cheat in speedruns is clout. they dont care about the community, they dont care how much work they or others put in, they just want the ability to brag that they have a world record run. i am sure there are some people who do i cause of stress or they feel like they need or deserve the record, but with badabun, they did for the sole purpose of attention. they want others to think "oh this guy is cool, lets watch his videos" and dont care who they are hurting to get the attention.
It's not necessarily that I'm defending them or saying what they did was okay. I just wanted to get into the mindset of whoever thought this was a good idea.
I don't think it was a meme. they just make low tier content and needed a video. not taking the time to think about it at all or put in any effort. just force feeding content like facebook.
In mine craft the best way to find cheaters is watching the loading screen for the world generation it is suposed to start in the bottom left corner but if it’s a world that already exists it will start in the middle
I mean with prevention it’s not a cat and mouse game. If it’s all about catching people you incentivize people to want to “get one over on you” if they’re mad, instead of finding a more productive solution
Hey YoBGS! "You think it was a meme or a straight run?" At first I was thinking that they only made it to farm views from subscribers and possibly whoever else the video fished out in the speedrunning comunity, but they went so far to 'mask' the cheat that now looks like a badly made meme Or in the end is just what you said "any publicity is good publicity" and now they have a lot of views from pretty much everywhere =P
Exactly. At the end of the day I think they figured if they got called out then it's more publicity for them good or bad and it worked for them to just have the hate roll in.
Generally, I don't know if people cheat because of the need for dopamine and a good feeling, because, and I don't know if its just me, but cheating doesn't feel good. It just feels like lying. I think, depending on who you are, it'd be more out of frustration, just wanting that title of holding a world record, or for some kind of attention. I can't imagine cheating truly feeling all that accomplishing.
I appreciate what you said around 3:55. I actually have a mental disorder that makes motivating myself very difficult. Just in general. It actually makes it difficult to get good at the things I have a talent for. Take art. I can see the image I want to create in my head, and if I took the time to practice, the talent I already have would make it possible to create what's in my head. The thing is, due to my lack of motivation to actually improve as opposed to having the end result, I never end up finishing. Not because I don't want to, but because I can't force myself to. I used to do similar things in single player games. I could see the path, so I'd give myself the goal as if I'd already walked it. This wasn't because I felt I deserved it. This was because the tools were there, and my compulsion to make things as easy as possible made those tools hard to resist. I feel like the people cheating tend to have a similar mentality. They don't feel that they deserve the record, but this is the "easiest" route since it takes the least amount of time. Btw, what causes this for me is aspergers. If I remember correctly, motivation issues are common for people with aspergers. ADHD is also very similar to autism, and I wouldn't be surprised seeing a correlation between this issue and the conditions. It might actually be worth a study to see how many of the people caught cheating are neurotypical versus autistic/ADHD.
That makes a lot of sense because I can see a ton of myself in what you're saying. Except with ADHD it's this compulsion to get one particular detail right while neglecting the rest of the project. So like if you build a house. My house wouldn't have a foundation but maaan that mirror I made for the bedroom would be the most intricate thing in the world, because I just got distracted. But like you said, giving yourself the goal isn't necessarily out of malice, it's to get yourself out of your own head. I appreciate the comment and hope you have a great day!
@@YoBGS My sister actually has ADHD, so I can at least understand by proxy. The similarities between autism and ADHD are pretty interesting, imo, though I would prefer to do without the drawbacks. Hyperfocus is nice when you want to focus on something, but it's awful when your brain decides to move that focus elsewhere without you wanting to.
In the video's comment section someone pointed out that the timer only goes up to 0:00:30 rather than 00:00:60. That wasn't my find, I forgot who found out, but credit to that person. I would like to point out that they are semicolons and not colons Edit: Looking at it even further, it's completely wrong. That could be read as 5 hrs rather than 5 min. It should be 0:05:12.12, that would be the correct way of writing it.
The 30 instead of 60 strikes me as the timer being a frame counter instead of an actual timer then. So then it would be like the timer was capture from their video editing software but that doesn’t explain the semicolons. That’s a really interesting find
@@YoBGS It is. From my edit, it says that it's even written wrong too. That might just be me, but it should be written as 05:12.12 if we are going by that. Plus, if they are going by frame counter, does the speedrun community even accept that? I genuinely don't know. I thought they only accept things that count 60 frames, I could be wrong. I am not specialized in this.
@@YoBGS Yup, although as you say, it most likely isn't Tavo's work, the channel is hated precisely because of this kind of thing, basically it's very likely that it was indeed done by an intern that didn't care about what happened, just doing what was asked even though they don't know about speed running, they are a company that targets mainly children with fake, stupid, clickbaity and stolen content, just like all those food channels that tell you to dump strawberries in bleach and eat them, at the start they only ripped the whole thing off for their videos because too lazy, but people caught on so they started making weird edits to justify themselves, saying it's another video and not stolen, why is so badly done it's most likely because they only have to convince the children that it's real since they're are like over 70% of their watchtime. Their content is known for this.
You'd think they'd just make a low quality TAS and pass it off as real, but I'm guessing the people who faked the video didn't even have the technical know how to do that.
Well, this might be one of my very few comments on TH-cam, but I just wanted to thank you for being who you are, you just have a kind character and your criticism is constructive with an entertaining way of talking, I think that you are underrated and you definitely deserve way better than that, I am looking forward to seeing your channel one of the big and popular channels on TH-cam (also, sorry for the late comment because of the difference in time zones). So.. thank you.
If you're still into things like this (and haven't already seen it) I recommend looking at the video 'obvious cheater fakes blindfolded Mario 64 speedrun' by charliebrown64
Yeah I mean even if it’s a fake speedrun, you’re still gonna be proud of yourself if you can get a five minute run. Like the celebration isn’t really a point against him. Like ya it’s prolly all fake but I feel like the celebration tick sounded more like the guy saying “you didn’t accomplish a world record, why are you proud?”
The thing that upsets me the most about fake speedruns is that it kinda invalidates the real accomplishments in a way. Why put in the effort to get good at games when you can get just as much attention, sometimes more, for cheating? Obviously the answer is because speedrunning is fun, but still, it can be really frustrating
Hello again friends, thanks for stopping by! Sorry if this got a little rant-y, I just have a lot to say about the speedrunning community as a whole and wanting it to be a welcoming hobby that doesn't chew people up over time. I hope videos like these can at least help get that going in the right direction. If there's anything else you want me to check out, feel free to let me know! I'm also still working on OC too so that I'm not just using everyone else's videos to sound off on. Have an excellent day!
Hi
I love your videos and I just watched the other video about an hour ago.
recently i've gotten into henry stickmin speedrunning and i'm really enjoying it!
Important question. Have you seen Kosmic's meme video in response to the fake? It's absolute gold.
I just found this chanel and i like your commentary but... you over do it, with videos have alot of commentary and narator you should just comment on some big point not every single detail, i'm said this because i like your chanel.
Great video. If you want to have a discussion about why people cheat I am happy to come on the show.
Thank you so much! It definitely seems like a bigger undertaking but I think with input from yourself and others in the speedrunning community it could be very productive.
oh boy two TH-camrs i like collabing? Sounds awesome ^^
Ya know, I used to watch your videos. Then you decided to throw a tantrum, directed personally at me, in the comments of one of your videos because I put out an opposing opinion as a talking point. It was the first time anyone I watch has ever responded to my comment, and you acted like a toddler, insulting me and telling me how wrong I am for thinking differently about some speedrunning topic. It was really disappointing, cause your videos are actually very well put together, and I was literally just putting out my thoughts. Let me tell you, I don't take the internet seriously at all, but I was very taken aback. I hope you respond better to dissenting opinions now than you did a year or so ago.
EDIT: Oh, wow. I got curious, so I checked. Almost exactly a year ago on your Goldeneye vid. Happy angerversary! I forgot that you had deleted your comment berating me afterward too. Good thing my comments still exist, and if they don't after today, then you're still as petty as before. Again, I hope you really have improved and don't treat other people like that. Especially since some of them are kids, you asshat. :)
@@TheCrateOfLemons Who is this directed too? Just curious, and also it seems like a bit late to talk about something that happened a year ago. What happened, what did your comment say?
@@roguedude1299 It's directed to Karl Jobst. Like I said, his videos are excellent quality, but he blew up at me for sharing my opinion in the comments then deleted his comment. I had literally just said that something might be different than how he described, giving my two cents. Dude went off, saying how he was "glad we don't base the rules off your feelings" and the like. I only mention it now because he was included in the video, was portrayed as a great guy, and he commented himself. I didn't go looking for him. I just think it's fair to make people aware that he has a problem keeping his mouth shut if he has nothing nice to say. If he's better now, awesome. If not, it doesn't matter that it was a year ago. People should be aware when someone is acting poorly.
Nah mate, they're often overprotective of their stuff, Badabun would go as far as to Copyright Strike anyone in the Spanish side of TH-cam who used even a single unedited second of their content, and when the Speedrunning community caught wind of this video, they decided to deactivate the comment section and the like/dislike bar, they're scummy af so they're pretty hated, as for the guy Tavo I would assume they just yeeted him under the bus, a man dragged down by a corporate YT channel, think of them like T-Series but being complete jerks who'd abuse the Copyright System, I dunno if Badabun is still active but I don't really care
It's so sad. Like I know I'm naive to the ways of the giant channels, but like I just want speedrunning to be open to everyone. Idk I want it to be a community AWAY from all the BS that's out there so to see channels not only trying to take that but to slap some more garbage onto it. Bums me out to say the least.
@@YoBGS Yeah, the problem with them, in regard to other videos, is that they use bits of other youtubers for example with the typical top 10 but when someone uses a little bit of them, they go all crazy. And a lot of other videos are fake as well, they supposely caught couples cheating, but the couples are all actors as well, they found a stray dog and raised it, but later they found out that it was owned by one of them since birth. Heck, the worst thing they did was that they raised a charity to help a little girl to get surgery (I don't remember for what exactly) and they did it, but then they took all the money and never talked about the subject again.
It's not a surprised they are the most hated spanish channel in the world, fortunately they are no longer on youtube and the staff fully apologized, but the owners disappeared and never got caught. (BTW I'm mexican :v)
From what I can tell and from what numerous comments have told me is that Badabun is a pretty disliked channel in the Latin sphere, and its not the first time they have done something like this for views and played it straight.
Imo I think it was more about views and less about actually trying to make a legit run, as a regular passerby would see the video and never follow up on it.
In the end, the only ones who know what their objective was is the video creator themselves.
That's what is so weird though. Even your most casual gamer knows that is NOT the Mario theme, and that's the first thing they hear. It's like they went out of their way to do that. Maybe it's for engagement? Like a million comments of "Why is the audio messed up?" Hard to say.
@@YoBGS perhaps? I know the idea was thrown out that it could be to avoid copyright but its still very weird
Hard to say all around xD hopefully anyone who got inspired by it in the end has fun the the speedrun community tho!
The heart rate monitor is an idea from Kosmic
I know Darbian uses one too. It’s just odd that it seems to be connected to nothing
@@YoBGS I don't understand the appeal of a heart rate monitor for a non-physical game. I mean, if you are playing DDR or similar games, sure, but for a Mario speed run?
@@achan1058 it's to show nerves when on a world record paced run
@@achan1058 Because heart rate is more complicated than "how much excersize you're getting"
@@akila3628 I don't see the point of showing that at all.
I feel a lot of these people that cheat runs don't do it for money or followers, but they seek recognition and validation from a community that they feel they're a part of, that's what valuable for them IMO
Which is why I’m glad so many TH-camrs have gotten big for speedrun content that isn’t world record runs. Opening up the world of what a community gives validation to makes it possible for someone to be like “okay I can’t world record this game. But maybe I can make tutorials/IL strats/something else and still do my part”
@@YoBGS Absolutely agree! It should be light hearted competition, pushing the boundaries of games, not a bitter contest where you do what you can to get "1st"
Actually they do it for followers and like the "look, we are milenials" thing, i know cause i know them before this speedrun thing, spanish is my language, and they are a shame for us latin american people, they arent just a youtube channel, they are a full companny thar goes for money by faking beeing "cool" and faking beeing the best humans that touched this planet at any time
I think they were playing it straight, not as a meme. I don’t think his reactions come off as making a joke, but as someone showing of his skills. Honestly I think the reason for the choices made in this video are obvious:
- Time was already explained; a run fast enough to be impressive, but not so fast to garner interest from more serious speedrunners (Though clearly it did)
- The game is a classic, tons of people can relate to having played it, and how hard it would be to get that time for your average player
- The clips they chose were using visually impressive strategies. They didn’t want a crazy fast run, but they did want to show that Tavo was able to make those pixel perfect jumps and adjustments.
Basically this was a channel that wanted views, and chose to do so with something they didn’t know much about. I don’t think they though to research whether a move was physically possible with the controller they had or the animation cycles of coins because your average person wouldn’t think of that. They just wanted a quick way to make money with minimal effort.
But wouldn't the quick way to just be to jack someone else's run? Pitching audio, layering an upper third, editing several runs together, all of this takes time. People can relate to it sure, but they can also relate to that not sounding like Mario. You see it on FB all the time when a WR run pops up there, everyone wants to call it fake. And this channel took extra steps to ensure they got called out. It's just bizarre.
@@YoBGS I feel like a lot of the decisions make more sense if viewed as a failed attempt to fix issues with the continuity. For example, they start with the TAS for the game but decide that to make it less obvious and to slow down the run they spliced in clips from other runs. However now the audio sounds odd because they got the clips from people with different recording setups so they distort the audio to make it less noticeable. Then someone recognised that the number of coins and the times on the screen were inconsistent, so they made an overlay to hide it. And so on.
Overall I think the reason that all this happened was because badabun probably had somebody else make the video and then got someone else to pretend to play it. This would likely explain the incompetence since although it looks like they were making it harder on themselves an amateur can often find a 10 step solution to a 2 step problem simply from inexperience and then just hand it to the people running badabun and they just go with it since it looks fine at a glance.
@@YoBGS You give them too much credit. There are tons of videos debunking pieces of Badabun's content (most in spanish mind you). From hired actors for pranks, to faking interviews by splicing footage. Badabun is not "one speedruner", it's a straight up corporation. The biggest theory is that nabbing a whole run would've ended in a set time and be recognizable, so they put a trainee who's most likely 18 years old and has never touched mario bros to edit it. It just needs to "look" legit.
@@YoBGS You also have to keep in mind the target audience. Badabun doesn’t generally make content for gamers. Their target audience aren’t generally going to be the people who will easily note weird pitching in the audio, or weird visual glitches. Most of their audience probably hasn’t played this game in years (if at all) and would chalk all the weird stuff to it being an old game.
And for sure it would be easier to just steal someone else’s footage, but I think of it as if you’re gonna steal, why not steal all the different cool tricks? (And splice those together into a believable run?). Also, maybe trying to stay under TH-cam’s radar in terms of copied content
@@Pyromaniacalsquirrel Very good points. Although I feel like the average person knows the Mario level 1 song, but maybe that's just because of my experience. One thing's for sure, with all of the effort they went to to put this experience together they could've done some legit good for the community. But I gather that's not their MO
"Dream isnt fighting the ender dragon while juggling"
As true as that is his 1.14 WR does include him renaming his sword to something stupid for no reason :P
Because OF COURSE it does... lol
I feel watching dream juggling while fighting the ender dragon, would be truly amazing...
You mean like Andrew.G juggled on Gdq while swimming in Smb1?
Ah yes, the infamous 'penis' sword.
This is a lot funnier now... considering his records were removed
As a Latin American I feel a lot of disgust for what they did
As me, I don't really care since I'm not a speedrunner, so I can't really know how to feel
Same
Todos odiamos a badabum
@@josuevargas1952 concuerdo
@nashkyu TRUEEEE
nah that wasnt cheating he just to alpha that he doesnt even need to play the game to speedrun it
Tavo just looks and the NES and it does the rest
@@YoBGS the nes is just so scared of his strong hands that is starts playing itself
You both got it wrong...
He just got a really good gaming chair!
@@fuwu9904 it must be both then
@@conniesia08 Yea I Forgot...
Also He Uses The C-Module That Gives You Extra Speed If You Eat Pizza And Drink Coke
I dunno, man. Feels like you are blaming the alcohol in the store instead of the alcoholic that buys the product. The cheaters choose to cheat, not matter how immoral it is. And if it is for world records, then you are messing up with other people as well.
I think you're giving a lot of credit to Badabun. They may have a lot of subscribers, but there are actually a lot of people who really hate their content because they always try to get views no matter what, including click bait, lying and faking stuff like this run.
I don't think the run is actually meant to be a meme or to be so wrong that they could be caught and get dem views. They just wanted the views and went and stole content in order to get them. That's what they do best.
I really like your channel, you should have a lot more subs and views.
(Also, sorry if my english is not always the best, I'm mexican and my first language is spanish... so yeah. That's also why I know the kind of thrash content Badabun makes)
Thank you! I appreciate the context. It just seems like such an overly obnoxious way to fake a run. If they're lazy, there are many easier ways to achieve the same goal. That's what baffled me
@@YoBGS You shouldn't try to unterstand Badabun. They make really lame content.
Watch a TH-cam video titled "Hombre corre como Perro Exponiendo Infieles | Badabun". 'Exponiendo infieles' is a show they made where they supposedly catch cheating people by giving them money to look at their phones. This is a clip of an episode where a girl finds out his boyfriend is cheating on her and runs away, and the cheater runs like a dog behind her. That became such a meme in Latin America.
And, by the way, that show was also known for being fake.
@@YoBGS Sometimes it isn't about laziness. People will just do anything for views and money.
There are memes about him eating pizza to "help" him
Everyone knows pizza grease only helps with an N64 analog stick
Im so happy to watch you react to this! I believe tavo's "run" became a meme after karl jobst's video. Imo babadun wanted to enter the speedrunning cloud or something. I feel like the video is not presented as joke (comments are disabled) and the public of that channel probably doesnt know much about speedrunning so they believed this to be true. Yeah, this probably was for money and views
But like, making this to enter the speedrunning world is like burning the gym down to try and become Homecoming King. Literally any other route would've been more effective lol.
@@YoBGS Badabun has some notoriety for just doing that. They'd probably shoot their own Grandmas on camera if it brought clicks. And sure they ABSOLUTELY expected to be called out. But not before going viral as they did. Badabun has a reputation for crapping on other people's reputation. Honestly if I spoke Spanish i'd still never ever click on one of their videos. If it makes clicks and thus money it's good. As I said they'd shoot their own grandmothers on cam if they thought it brought them clicks
You ask why fake speedruns, I think Dream can answer that one now that he's been caught cheating
Oh my gosh I was literally just watching this video. Big fan of Karl Jobst!
I enjoyed watching that video too, watched it a few times
Badabun didnt need a viral video; their fanbase was *way* higher than any of the accounts from whom they stole footage. And considering other videos the badabun channel has uploaded. I do believe they did it with malice, as an effort to get more views and money without caring about the effects of what they're doing and completely oblivious to the fact that they're making a mockery of speedrunning. Badabun loves getting into drama, and they used to be super report-happy against anybody criticizing them in spanish (no idea if thats the case now, but it used to be) and copyright striking anybody using even 1 second of their footage and, from what I remember, threatening with defamation lawsuits.
Like another comment mentioned, when the speedrunning community discovered the video instead of saying haha yes its a parody or whatever, they blocked the likes/disliked ratio and disabled comments on the video.
Both you and Karl make good points about why speedrunners cheat, but.... this is the thing: Badabun isnt a speedrunning channel. Tavo isn't a speedrunner. They're just a channel trying to create stuff that people watch so they can get that sweet ad money, and they saw speedrunners, they probably saw events like GDQ where theres a lot of money flowing for charity, they said "Hey we want some of that money", chose a game that's immediately recognizable even from people who never played videogames and started picking the best footage they could find and mixed it. As for why faking the clock, very probably to keep all the insane feats that the original runs have without drawing attention for the short time.
The speedrunning community is very welcoming towards people who want to do it. But nor Tavo nor Badabun intend to be speedrunners; they just want as much money as possible without the effort of having to learn the game and grind it for years until they get a good timer. Editing and splicing videos is easier, over all if most of your audience are kids who arent going to doubt what they're seeing, and that are going to go defend their 'idols' when they think they're being attacked, proven with the comments that the real runners have been getting complaining because they "stole" their footage from the thieves.
I like this take because it's absolutely what I was feeling about it, that the drama was part of the overall plan for views!
True crime is holding the controller with the pizza hand without cleaning
Everyone knows pizza grease helps with N64 analog sticks, but not any of the previous gen's
It's so refreshing to hear this kind of perspective. In the community, you dont usually hear people trying to understand why people cheat as opposed to the fact they cheated.
Time is the most limited resource we have on this planet, and when we don't feel like we're given a proper return for our investment, we tend to take shortcuts.
I dont speedrun, so I dont really know, but as an observer in the community, it looks like there's nothing to be gained from not performing well on a run.
I can at the very least understand why a majority of people cheat, even if I don't agree with it.
I just think if we can keep making speedrunning less of a solitary hobby, people may feel less inclined to cheat. When world records are the ONLY way to get recognized, of course people will do a lot for them. But there's so much speedrun adjacent content out there now that you don't even have to actively run to build a following. We need the stress of speedrunning to be more normalized, instead of just laughing at them for being "cringe" and moving on.
This is the second video i watch from you, and i must say you are a super nice guy, but one thing i must say, you may not know the channel that made that fake speedrun, but they are trully a scummy company, they only do videos for views not caring about anything.
But well languaje barrier, but don't worry, i understand that you wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, i don't blame you.
This run is definitely not a meme. Badabun has always had this bad reputation of content theft, and it would not surprise me if this was an actual attempt to make a speedrun. In fact, it would surprise me if this was a meme.
See I'm really happy a lot of you are giving me context bc admittedly I didn't know that about them
The fake heart rate monitor made me laugh when I first saw it in Karl's video, now it just annoys me that they thought it was even remotely believable
It's like they put it in thinking they'd go back in later and change it to something believable and then just gave up on it
Kosmic made a parody run of this Badabun fake run for April fools you should react to it it's really funny.
I gotta get the OK from Kosmic but I do wanna check that out
Unfortunately 2020 had no happy times, the threat of WWIII happened on Jan 01
Jebus you’re right. I completely forgot about that.
WTF that was on 2020? It feels like a long time LOL
There was the diplomatic tensions between the USA and Iran, there were the fires in Australia. But even though all that happened, it wasn't worse than any other years news.
Tensions between the US and other nations are pretty common historically speaking. And all that was far away from the common person. Only when our every day life got dramatically changed has this year gone to sh#t
Dont forget about Anonymous coming back
He was totally not cheating! His snes was delayed, and malfunctioned. The SNES needed God.
The Pizza was his star, speeding him up by a single frame, but made him lose the run!
I'm joking, sometimes a random joke can ease things up, but. I know he cheated; it seemed like he had the top of another video, and the main screen of the other. Please do stay safe everyone; and as someone who is planning on speedrunning a game in the future, just to experience and have fun.
I hope you have fun and get better at the games you speed-run!
THIS! Speedrun because you love the game and want to learn more about it, worry about things like records and views later!
"Why?"
The views, my dear YoBGS... The views.
But that doesn't explain the otherworldly intentionally bad editing. Like they made choices to fail this oddly
@@YoBGS badabun is a company known here in Latin America for doing this kind of thing just to earn subs and visits, they don't care if something badly edited comes out, inventing false stories, stupid things like exposing infidels, yes, and that last one is one of the most popular for how bad and cliche it is
I feel like you're romanticizing cheaters, while I do not think they deserve to be publicly ridiculed or perma banned from their platforms, I don't think your view of them is very positive or beneficial, as, whether intentional or not, it came off to me, personally, as if you don't want cheaters to be punished, or that you're posturing about having a moral high ground. If I am wrong, please feel welcome to tell me how in a reply of some sort.
this run has become such a fascinating way to see how the big yt channels work, Badabun, as i think you know by now, is a really hated channel in"the hispanic community they have stolen a lot of content from lots of people and have a lot of really messed up dirt (as a company in general) and well if i'm not mistaken the reason why the run is so over the place with the editing and the multiple segments, is for them to not get a strike by the multiple youtubers (and that is really dumb the segment itself should grant them a strike) and well Tavo was just the face of that particular video, he just went that day to work and was told to fake playing a game, so he wasn't at fault... yeah so my explanaition is also kinda all over the place ha ha but yeah i loved the video, grettings from México
See I kinda was willing to give Tavo a break because if you watch him he doesn't look like he understands the magnitude of the achievement. If it was his idea like you figure he'd be acting to play it up to the camera. He finished the run and it's like someone tells him to act surprised so he just jumps into it. This thing is an adventure to be sure.
@@YoBGS yeah i know and even today Tavo is out of Badabun and i think he is doing well, he said that company is a really messy place to work at ha ha
Goddamn, can you stop defending? I know you have your opinions, but please man, cool it a tad down. I still enjoyed the video a ton, but that was a bit too much.
Stop, justifying, there, shitty, actions. They knew what they where doing.
I'm not justifying. They're 100% wrong. I'm just trying to analyze what they hoped to get out of it.
you should react to "The Quest to Beat Matt Turk" by Summoning Salt.
I just need to see if I have a lot to add to it. Because Summoning Salt does an amazing job covering all the bases.
Pitching it weirdly is to avoid a potential copyright strike for using someone else's footage probably. The same reason for the color shift
The color shift actually kinda fixed it, it looked more natural on their screen in my opinion.
You should react to Kosmic’s April fools video where he parodied this run absolutely hilariously
Here’s the link if you can’t find it by just looking up “Kosmic April fools”
th-cam.com/video/ZNthcDIxf6w/w-d-xo.html
Excellent! I need to ask Kosmic first, and give it a little time since I just did a Kosmic video and don't want to just be taking all his stuff lol
@@YoBGS fair enough. Kosmic is pretty chill so I’m sure he won’t mind. I’ll be looking forward to the video
Definetely not a meme/joke run and not "made to be busted".
As a Mexican, the best paralel is thinking of Babadun like 5-minute crafts or Blossom. They'll edit very VERY fake videos, that rake on the clickbait and when confronted they straight up deny the videos being fake. This was an example of a gaming video, they also had "Cheaters caught!" videos, where it was proven they hired actors and had some interviews were purposely cut to make one party look bad.
See, it's that reasoning that makes me think they made it to try and start drama on purpose. Maybe even that's giving them too much credit but I just wouldn't be shocked if that was their angle
I’m just 1 second short (5m 13s) of Badabun’s “claimed time” (5m 12s). The difference is that my runs are actually verified by speedrun.com. I feel the need of cleaning my country’s name. MrDino is 5m 07s and TMR is 5m 08s both legit Mexican runners and here I go pushing Badabun out.
Yeahhh my next race in Mystery Tournament 15 is against TMR, I’m not looking forward to it. But I appreciate you shouting out some awesome Mexican runners
@@YoBGSaround a week ago another Mexican runner named k1ngk0opa got a legit sub 5 after an insane grind!
The contest by ezscape was the first time in a long long time they had cheating in the Pokémon crystal leaderboard, the person who got caught actually was an active speedrunner who then was banned from the site, I don't understand why you risk your whole account for a raffle contest
(about if the run is a meme) I'm pretty sure it's not, Badabun has done scummy stuff multiple times to get attention. Not hating, but they don't have the best reputation in Latinoamérica
Greets from Venezuela man, nice video
Thanks for the kind words, it being a meme was just one possibility, I'm leaning now towards they brought the drama to boost views
I feel like the main problem is that one only gets recognized as a good runner when you got a world record. But if you've submitted a top 200 or 500 run in a popular game that already means a player is insane and crazy skilled. No one cares though and the player feels super bad although he's very good....
That’s why I started making the TH-cam content I did. My goal was to prove that even without being a WR holder in a AAA game you can still build a nice home for yourself in the speedrunning community. I hope that will make people realize you can be a good runner without those god-tier times
I think they really wanted it to be real. They didn't expect people to find out it was fake and for it to blow up.
Their original video has comments turned off and is massively downvoted and they never answered back, to my knowledge anyways, to these claims.
That's a good point, and I hadn't considered at first that they shut it down that much
NO: this is not a meme. The channel was trying to clickbait in the video. If you don't belive it see the rest of the videos.
Oh I believe it. I'm more wondering if they WANTED to get caught so that people would talk about them and hopefully boost their video more.
Why people cheat. To gain attention. To assert themselves. That's it. End of video
This is a great video YoBGS,I love you're vids they are very long which i like and very interesting^-^
Keep up the good and entertaining work.
Idea:You could maybe show us some of you're speedruns its ok if you dont want to.
Haha I think they're all on speedrun.com, but I actually have a video planned for Wednesday that will involve doing a run. I gotta knock the rust off first tho!
Also you can react to one of Apollo legend videos
Those would definitely be better for looking at some of the things I want to look at
"I think Dream is arguably the most famous speed runner at the moment."
oof
Arguably, it's still correct. Just more "infamous" than just "famous".
@@Ender41948 I mean he is also famous
I find a reason people will cheat is because they like to the satisfaction of fooling people. I know I like doing that.
When it's all in good fun, sure, but the problem is that if idk you're throwing off a whole community it's different than pranking your friend
@@YoBGS That is a good point but thing like this almost always come in different degrees of severity so while yes most people would fake it to trick their freind some will prefer to do it on a bigger scale almost like their chalenging themselves to see how far they can get without getting caught because the thrill of getting away with it feels realy good.
If this run is a joke? I'm going to have to say no. I'm familiar with Badabun (it's an incredibly infamous channel in hispanic youtube). It is very in-line for them to make fake videos that might trick only the most casual of viewers, all for views. Their content is all very 'facebook sharing material', if you get what I mean. They also seem to have sported a little of a trashy, proud attitude when called out.
I wouldn't be surprised if the people at Badabun did not even know the speedrun community was a thing.
Here a Spanish speaker.
I am going to tell all the story about Badabun and all about their company.
(If somethign is misspelled i'm really sorry).
Badabun is a Mexican Company that makes ''viral videos'' for TH-cam (in the past was in a web page).
The contracts to work at Badabun are AWFUL, they have al of your paswords, you can not use your own social media pages, literaly YOU are from their propriety, you can not say anything bad about em'.
They always try to look like they are good persons and very moral. But they're not.
For example, in the videos where the are ''''saving animal'', actually, all it's acted. Those animals were actually harmed for them.
If you say something bad about em' in a video, they will copyright it, in that way, they can take it down and you probally are going to get a strike.
The people from South America and Spain we hate em', we discovered all the thing bad that they did.
The most of the people who worked there they leaved the company.
It's not the firts time that they do this, they're people that nobody has to talk about em' any more, this channel got popularity because of the clikbait and those stuff. Everyone here in Sout America we forgot about they're channel to stop gaining views, clicks and the most important, money.
this is a summarized thing about everything wrong they did.
If you want to more about em', do it. but don't click in ANY of they're videos.
From here (Argentina), i just want to say sorry for this people, if you actually got here, just want to say thanks!.
-a Random Guy in the Internet for Another Guy in the Internet.
The last description line translates to "you can't miss it"
So no there is no line telling us its a fake/joke
Thank you. "Miss" was the word I was missing and my brain kept wanting to translate it as something that could've hinted at it being fake. That's why I asked.
The most obvious reasoning to me about why this video exists is that 100% of the entire channel's content is outsourced to multiple people, mostly freelance teenagers fresh out of college, with no prior work experience, no communication between any of the branches that goes into making the video, so you end up with massive contradictions in the content they produce. They're a corporation that makes massive amounts of money off of other people's hard work. The actual people who worked on it don't even get minimum wage for their efforts.
Forget why people cheat in speedruns, let's talk more about why corporations are allowed (and sometimes encouraged) to abuse the working class and treat them like expendable for the sake of company profits. If their content doesn't make sense in context, then it's safe to assume the company doesn't know anything about anybody other than their target audience, which makes the CEOs oblivious to the other people that might expose them for extortion.
I have to say, at one point i was interested in the speedrunning community, and still are a bit (that is why i am here) but the first thing i found out after digging even a smidge deeper than the surface was an avalance of "cheaters exposed", "cheaters exposed but were protected by the community", "person tries to expose cheater but gets kicked out of community for daring to do that" and so on. The first picture a lot of people (including me) get about the speedrunner community is: Everyone cheats and no one really cares about. Speedrunning is basically the bike sports or bodybuilding of video games. Everyone uses doping and no one cares about it and You have almost no chance to get big if You don't do it at least a little bit.
I guess that frightens a lot of people. I for example like to watch the occasional speedrun, but are not interested in the "top player" stuff, more the "casual" type of speedrun
I don’t think that they wanted to be a joke, but all I know is that it is the biggest speedrunning joke ever
I'm really interested in the Billy Mitchell interview
Much as I'd love to clickbait people it's nothing groundbreaking. I asked him how it feels to basically be aging out of the high score community, how he's trying to stay relevant, what he thinks about speedrunning, but the whole thing was to promote this big appearance he was doing. So it's no 60-minutes interview lol
@@YoBGS I'd still like to see it out of curiosity but I understand that its not enough for a video, maybe you could make a compilation video of all the things that arent long enough for a full video but yeah i can see that this isn't any priority ^^
I think maybe what he means by high-ability runners feeling entitled to a WR is that they know they can do it. They see their sum of best, they know what's possible, they know what's within their abilities as a runner, and the only thing in the way is that pesky RNG. At some point they have two choices: keep playing until they happen to get a perfect run, or just splice a perfect run. It's the same result either way, right? But one option is just less time consuming. I think that's the slippery slope these kinds of people maybe tend to fall down.
I bet you're right. That really makes a lot of sense although idk when you become the head of a community especially something like Mario you're gonna have a lot of people questioning you, for advice more than anything. To not know the answers to those questions or to have to lie is just, idk I'm not wired that way.
14:20 legit run. I think they tried to make it legit
Dont feel bad about ranting
If you want a real meme run, kosmic did a parody of this. It was really good and absolutely worth watching.
I think it is more likely a joke that didn't went that well....
If i remember right, kosmic did a parody video of this run 😂
Yeah I heard his is pretty solid! It’s just such an odd way to make a joke, ya know?
@@YoBGS To be honest i will make a confusing joke like that for sure. My humour is just that bad
@@YoBGS
Yeah, alot of work, also a big risk with alot of people thinks "speedrunners are cheaters" and/or very skeptical to a new speedrunners
Belive me, as a latin american, i (and all latin americans here) know badabum very well, it is not a joke, they did tried to be serious with it, jusr like the fake videos of them resquing dogs, when there is proofs that they themselfs put those dogs in a bad position so they could make a video resquing them
As a Filipino, I do hate Badabun.
I'm in the Super Mario Community for 5 years and Badabun copied people's top leading speedruns content.
Well, I'm the new subscriber !
You're interesting to reacting videos !
I can't believe I've never seen your content before (I came with Jaiden). Your analysis is so wholesome, so kind. It's all about mental health, and not judging, and just straight-up treating people with basic kindness. You are a role model for the (sometimes) intolerant gaming and speedrunning communities.
Thank you so much for the wonderful words! It's part of why I like doing reactions because, idk, it seems like a world that can be kinda toxic. So if I watch folks and let them know they're awesome, maybe other people will too. Obviously this is kinda the exception haha
yeah... that Badabun Mario Run... here in Mexico no one likes Badabun, they're like the lowest of the low with real shitty content, I'm so sorry for burning your eyes with their utter trash vids.
also, the Badabun video wasn't a joke sadly, most of their stuff is like that
On the subject of "why do they feel the need to cheat?"
All variations of the question are useless to ask. The only question that matters is "did they cheat?" If no, they're good, if yes, all officially recognized runs are revoked and they lose the ability to have legit runs recognized in the future.
Personally, I'd go with a 3-strike rule where if a player has cheated on 3 or more runs, that's when they lose the ability to have runs officially recognized.
That said, at no point does the question of "why" enter the equation, nor should it. I can appreciate playing devils advocate but cheating in speedruns is one of the few subjects in the world where the "why did they do it" question is almost entirely irrelevant as the answer will not change with that knowledge: a cheater still cheated regardless of the reasoning.
The why: They're desperate for content. The channel in question is one of those assembly line channels that just pumps out crap at a rapid, steady rate. They need more videos than they have ideas. Not unlike certain media corporations I could name...
its plagiarising other peoples work to get views, belittling what others accomplished.
they could have admitted it was fake
they could have let him speedrun normally (no matter how long)
they could have credited real speedrunners
they basically made fun of other speedruns and stole their runs.
A potential reason they don't put the bare minimum of effort in is that they don't respect there viewers. If all they need is enough difference to be confident of no copyright and enough consistency that someone who has played the game wouldn't immediately call BS and instead assume speedrun strats, why bother with making it look reasonable.
Can we all point out that the original vid he was watching was 17 minutes but this vid is 37 minutes. he added 20 minutes just from intro,outro, and pausing I don’t hate him for that but that’s talent 🤔
Tbh, I don't think they even tried here. It is so obvious. Also another fake run you could react to is Drems fake minecraft run.
Im brazilian and i have a good grasp of spanish there was no indication what so ever. For what i gathered is just some "crazy" acomplishment for the next big viral video and not part of your intresting debate on why they cheat discussion
Im peruvian (so i speak spanish) and let me tell you, we all hate badabum before and after this speedrun thing
There is a lot of things telling they are fake in not just this kind of things, these guys literally traped a dog in the drain so they could make a video "resquing" it
im a chronic liar ill lie about all sorts of stuff. its not about cheating to make your self feel better about getting the next PB its about getting that praise from others. Especially when your good at something you get that high from all the rooting for you all that praise. and as you hit that skill ceiling and you stop getting PBs or you just really want that WR and your close. you build up anticipation and expectations for that praise. and cheating allows you to get it NOW i mena your good at the game you could get it its just taking longer than it should so boom instant gratification.
It was only a joke when they were caught.
It's just a prank bro! Haha you're right
another big BIG reason people cheat in speedruns is clout. they dont care about the community, they dont care how much work they or others put in, they just want the ability to brag that they have a world record run. i am sure there are some people who do i cause of stress or they feel like they need or deserve the record, but with badabun, they did for the sole purpose of attention. they want others to think "oh this guy is cool, lets watch his videos" and dont care who they are hurting to get the attention.
I enjoyed hearing what you thought about the video, it was interesting to see you defending badabun
It's not necessarily that I'm defending them or saying what they did was okay. I just wanted to get into the mindset of whoever thought this was a good idea.
I don't think it was a meme. they just make low tier content and needed a video. not taking the time to think about it at all or put in any effort. just force feeding content like facebook.
I think you are being way too optimistic about this. They just wanted the views.
In mine craft the best way to find cheaters is watching the loading screen for the world generation it is suposed to start in the bottom left corner but if it’s a world that already exists it will start in the middle
People enjoyed 2020????
New Year's Day was pretty not terrible...
The way you want to give people the benefit of the doubt makes you seem a bit naive honestly and I don't mean that as an insult or anything.
You should react to kosmic's parody to this video
That video is the best lol
Is this a review or a reaction because I can't tell
21:45
if this is a joke is the most unfunny and badly told joke in the history of humanity
I really love your “prevention first” mentality towards cheating, I think that’s the most important thing to home in on , as a psychology buff.
I mean with prevention it’s not a cat and mouse game. If it’s all about catching people you incentivize people to want to “get one over on you” if they’re mad, instead of finding a more productive solution
I've seen a lot of cheating in speed run
It's unfortunate. I mod a game with literally 3 runners and someone spliced a run a few weeks ago...
Yikes 😬
Lol, I have the same reaction to Billy Mitchel.
Hey YoBGS!
"You think it was a meme or a straight run?"
At first I was thinking that they only made it to farm views from subscribers and possibly whoever else the video fished out in the speedrunning comunity, but they went so far to 'mask' the cheat that now looks like a badly made meme
Or in the end is just what you said "any publicity is good publicity" and now they have a lot of views from pretty much everywhere =P
Exactly. At the end of the day I think they figured if they got called out then it's more publicity for them good or bad and it worked for them to just have the hate roll in.
both of you kinda overgeneralize, but yeah most people probably aren't entitled
I had to over generalize a bit because if I didn't my video would be like 4 hours, lol. I have a lot of thoughts on the issue
Generally, I don't know if people cheat because of the need for dopamine and a good feeling, because, and I don't know if its just me, but cheating doesn't feel good. It just feels like lying. I think, depending on who you are, it'd be more out of frustration, just wanting that title of holding a world record, or for some kind of attention. I can't imagine cheating truly feeling all that accomplishing.
I appreciate what you said around 3:55. I actually have a mental disorder that makes motivating myself very difficult. Just in general. It actually makes it difficult to get good at the things I have a talent for. Take art. I can see the image I want to create in my head, and if I took the time to practice, the talent I already have would make it possible to create what's in my head. The thing is, due to my lack of motivation to actually improve as opposed to having the end result, I never end up finishing. Not because I don't want to, but because I can't force myself to. I used to do similar things in single player games. I could see the path, so I'd give myself the goal as if I'd already walked it. This wasn't because I felt I deserved it. This was because the tools were there, and my compulsion to make things as easy as possible made those tools hard to resist. I feel like the people cheating tend to have a similar mentality. They don't feel that they deserve the record, but this is the "easiest" route since it takes the least amount of time. Btw, what causes this for me is aspergers. If I remember correctly, motivation issues are common for people with aspergers. ADHD is also very similar to autism, and I wouldn't be surprised seeing a correlation between this issue and the conditions. It might actually be worth a study to see how many of the people caught cheating are neurotypical versus autistic/ADHD.
That makes a lot of sense because I can see a ton of myself in what you're saying. Except with ADHD it's this compulsion to get one particular detail right while neglecting the rest of the project. So like if you build a house. My house wouldn't have a foundation but maaan that mirror I made for the bedroom would be the most intricate thing in the world, because I just got distracted. But like you said, giving yourself the goal isn't necessarily out of malice, it's to get yourself out of your own head. I appreciate the comment and hope you have a great day!
@@YoBGS My sister actually has ADHD, so I can at least understand by proxy. The similarities between autism and ADHD are pretty interesting, imo, though I would prefer to do without the drawbacks. Hyperfocus is nice when you want to focus on something, but it's awful when your brain decides to move that focus elsewhere without you wanting to.
i really want a cheater% category and just let them have it out would be funny to watch
Yeah
It'd be like those Longest Drive contests in golf where people can basically have whatever club they want lol
@@YoBGS omg yes those are so funny to watch you never know what the guy will pull out XD
In the video's comment section someone pointed out that the timer only goes up to 0:00:30 rather than 00:00:60. That wasn't my find, I forgot who found out, but credit to that person. I would like to point out that they are semicolons and not colons
Edit: Looking at it even further, it's completely wrong. That could be read as 5 hrs rather than 5 min. It should be 0:05:12.12, that would be the correct way of writing it.
The 30 instead of 60 strikes me as the timer being a frame counter instead of an actual timer then. So then it would be like the timer was capture from their video editing software but that doesn’t explain the semicolons. That’s a really interesting find
@@YoBGS It is. From my edit, it says that it's even written wrong too. That might just be me, but it should be written as 05:12.12 if we are going by that. Plus, if they are going by frame counter, does the speedrun community even accept that? I genuinely don't know. I thought they only accept things that count 60 frames, I could be wrong. I am not specialized in this.
how is he talking about the video like he watched it before recording this?
I’ve seen this one before. I just felt like I had a lot to add to it so I watched it again
Badabun have a lot of controversy in the spanish TH-cam community, fake videos, bots and the infamous Mario speedrun
Ahhhh gotcha so this isn't the first time they've done something and gotten people annoyed
@@YoBGS Yup, although as you say, it most likely isn't Tavo's work, the channel is hated precisely because of this kind of thing, basically it's very likely that it was indeed done by an intern that didn't care about what happened, just doing what was asked even though they don't know about speed running, they are a company that targets mainly children with fake, stupid, clickbaity and stolen content, just like all those food channels that tell you to dump strawberries in bleach and eat them, at the start they only ripped the whole thing off for their videos because too lazy, but people caught on so they started making weird edits to justify themselves, saying it's another video and not stolen, why is so badly done it's most likely because they only have to convince the children that it's real since they're are like over 70% of their watchtime.
Their content is known for this.
0:58 Didn't 2020 make it 3 days before ww3 started?
I forgot, it's been a long year...
.... BADABUN? Omg I know that have cuestionable content, but this? This si a whole new level, OMG
You'd think they'd just make a low quality TAS and pass it off as real, but I'm guessing the people who faked the video didn't even have the technical know how to do that.
While I know what you're getting at with how stupid the run is. I think you fail to remember how stupid people can be.
Isn’t that a saying? Don’t attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity? Or is it the other way around
@@YoBGS Exactly.
Also remember Carlin. You know how stupid the average person is? Now realize that half the population is stupider than that.
Well, this might be one of my very few comments on TH-cam, but I just wanted to thank you for being who you are, you just have a kind character and your criticism is constructive with an entertaining way of talking, I think that you are underrated and you definitely deserve way better than that, I am looking forward to seeing your channel one of the big and popular channels on TH-cam (also, sorry for the late comment because of the difference in time zones). So.. thank you.
Lies. As an Australian, 2020 was never OK. It'd just been all the kinds of destruction, fire, flood, hail, storm and now plague :P
If you're still into things like this (and haven't already seen it) I recommend looking at the video 'obvious cheater fakes blindfolded Mario 64 speedrun' by charliebrown64
Yeah I mean even if it’s a fake speedrun, you’re still gonna be proud of yourself if you can get a five minute run. Like the celebration isn’t really a point against him.
Like ya it’s prolly all fake but I feel like the celebration tick sounded more like the guy saying “you didn’t accomplish a world record, why are you proud?”
The thing that upsets me the most about fake speedruns is that it kinda invalidates the real accomplishments in a way. Why put in the effort to get good at games when you can get just as much attention, sometimes more, for cheating? Obviously the answer is because speedrunning is fun, but still, it can be really frustrating