7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag Cartridges
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- 7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag Cartridges
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Stick with the 7 rem mag, easier to find after the prc fuss is over. Even my local has limited types of prc but plenty different types of rem mag
Because its brand new. Give it time, it's extremely popular, in a couple years finding a wide range of ammo won't be a problem imo
@@chin203 in America I can understand that but here in Australia (i didnt mention sorry) a lot of these rounds and guns only trickle in. We understand you guys have lots of different rules for hunting which require different rounds. People here will buy it don't worry about that.
One point that is sometimes overlooked: On these cartridges that are optimized for really long bullets and have really straight sidewalls, feeding can become an issue, and also damaging or bending the bullet in the case. With more bullet hanging out, there is more to damage or bend the case mouth. Also, the less tapered, the more chance it won't feed well. The 7 mm Rem Mag, 30-06, and 300 Win Mag are all pretty tapered and all have less bullet hanging out which I think is better for a hunting situation. For targets, it doesn't matter nearly as much.
It’s still the same length bullet and the bullet is also inserted to the same depth as per spec so one will not “bend” easier than the other, just looks that way because the reduced cartridge *shows* more bullet
@@Tactics_Actual No the bullets will bend more easily because the lever (the protruding part of the bullet) is longer. Believe me, I've done it with the 6.5 Creedmoor. It definitely doesn't feed as well as something like the 300 WM or the 30-06.
@@66smithra270 and 6.5x55 are way better than creed and prc
270 3006 7mm rem 300 win all perform just fine the only advantage of any prc cartridge is beyond ethical hunting distances. respect the animals keep it 300 or under. or just shoot targets.
majority of hunters don't need a 1000-yard cartridge, more marketing bs
No HUNTER needs a 1k yard catridge. Period!
A custom chambered 7mm rem mag with a long throat will beat the prc overall case capacity
Exactly
But will no longer fit in the magazine.
@ewathoughts8476 yes mine does mate bitnonly just
Same man mine does but just but a win is a win
Everyone has pretty much acknowledged that you can handload the 7 rem mag to be as effective as a 7 PRC if you have a custom chambered rifle. The PRC is a better cartridge for 95% of shooters.
I have both, I reload and have factory ammo. I hunt deer and hogs on my farm. Shots are from 100-500 yards. I have taken probably a hundred head with them. It's only my opinion that there is not enough difference to worry about. Both shoot great, mild recoil and accurate. 100-500 yards they are both about equal.
Ron ur a legend and have expanded my knowledge more than i could ever do on my own or working in a gun store i feel much more informative when selling and recommending calibers
In california, we call the tall ones illegal
You could always move to Texas or anywhere but comifornia
👆 don’t listen to this dude, DO NOT come to Texas. We’ve had enough of you Cali communist coming to our state.
Ron looking like " ok young buck so what your saying is you rewrapped an old cartridge are claiming you covered it in fairy dust and created magic"
This Era of refining old ideas is interesting. I do understand the benefits of some of new cartridges. However for the average shooter it's insignificant. Guys think just because they got the new round they will suddenly be a 800 yard super marksman.
And that's different from before how exactly?
What? Ron likes the 7prc.
Yeah you don't really know Ron then.
What else is amazing is the number of people that can't take a joke or sarcasm
@@countryboysteve nah its just a shitty joke
This may look good on paper, but Reloading Weatherby channel has shown taking the .270 Win, with the same issues, and he realoaded Nosler Accubond 165 grain ABLR Bonded long range bullets and they shot perfect. He just has to dial in the powder and a few other things to turn the rounds he reloads for long range into a sub moa loading.
So I am going to say yes it helps to have the lower shoulder height and more neck in the 7 PRC, but it is not necessary. The 7mm Rem Mag can be loaded with the same exact bullets and with some range work and tweaking, be just as accurate, and deadly with these new long range bullets that are hot on the market. The 7mm Rem Mag is still the winner. Especially since it's everywhere on all shelves, and is supported to death in every manner in the firearms market and community. I live in a serious gun town and while I see all these new Nosler, PRC, Western offerings in rifles, I do not see any ammo support for them. You can buy a lovely 6.8 Western, 6.5-378 WBY, 6.5 PRC, 7mm or .300 RUM, but you are ordering in ammo, and at full market prices. No sales, very little selection to choose from. You have to buy what you can get, pay an arm and a leg for it, shoot it, and only then after you have all the dies and components to reload...then reload what you actually might prefer, or need for that particular rifle you own. Because no rifle company, is producing a more accurate bullet that is better than a lifelong reloader can reload. Add in the savings as well and you have more reason to buy the cheaper round to feed the pigs, and load them up with these new bullets on the market.
We're talking splitting hairs for the little bit of difference the longer neck is going to do. Target shooters and hunters in the field have proven it so. History of long range sniper kills in war have shown bullet design means little in the hands of determined man. So have tens of thousands of videos of people pulling off insane long shots, with very old rifle calibers. Sometimes in very old rifles too, with pitted worn barrels. It is the person behind the rifle, combined with just plain good ammo that make the magic happen.
There are enough new cartridges on the market. A shooter nowadays has no hope of every owning all the current market calibers anymore, or even dream of shooting them all. It used to be around 20 calibers you had to aquire to have the cream of what was out there to buy a rifle in. Now it's just nuts. A bit of improvement here and there, for what? 100 FPS??? Or 100 Ft. Lbs at muzzle, which is not worth talking about at practical hunting ranges. The hype does not live up to what these cartridges do, compared to what is already available, doing the same job quite effectively.
It looks nice but what is the performance difference in 150 or 180 grain projectiles? I own an outstanding model 70 Winchester 7mag that makes tattered holes at 100yrds with prvi 179ers
Really don't think the game animal will really know the difference
the 7 prc with the newer factory is slower than advertised. check it on your gun with a chronograph. Big surprise
Only one ammo offering. That could happen in any cartridge. Federal will give you 3,000+
Geez, your understanding is so poor. By making the case fatter although shorter, the volume for propellant is maintained while allowing longer bullets to be seated to the same overall length, and the shank will not have to lie below the shoulder/neck donut allowing a more uniform bullet release, thus improving velocity SD/ES numbers. With straighter side walls however, there can be more chambering problems requiring better magazine design. The PRC design exhibits extended case life if you are going to reload cartridges. The belted designs however allows its use in break actions and bolt actions while the PRC would be difficult to use in a break action (double barrel type) of firearm.
Have hunters all of a sudden been having problems killing what they are hunting with the 7 mag and that's why they came out with the PRC. Seems like when it comes to these new calibers they're doing a lot of fixing where things weren't broken. Under the disguise of long range shooting, not many hunters are hunting at or over 1000yds. These guys just sound like bandwagon jumpers.
Isn’t the PRC gonna be harder to find bullets in though ?
100% yes right now. Might gain popularity
Immensely so. I've been all over Canada and the USA. I check all the stores when I am in a city or town and what I have seen is the support for all these new cartridges is very limited. We're talking available only in the largest, most financially successful gun stores in that city or town. You will not have a chance of finding rounds for most of these new calibers as soon as you hit anywhere close to where you can actually hunt, or get away from a large city. Country gun shops carry mostly the 20 most popular calibers of the last 100 years. The newest caliber you'll find on their shelves will most likely be 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm-08. Even the WSM line is hard to find, and it's been out over 20 years.
None of these new cartridges are going to dethrone, 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, 6.5 Creedmoor, .308 Win, 7mm-08, .270 Win, .30-06, .25-06 Rem, .243 Win, because they are available everywhere, and they work. They don't just work, they work so well that if they didn't work, it was the shooter, not the round that was the problem. Stick with the most popular calibers. You'll spend much more time shooting, rather than looking for ammo. These new calibers are not only hard to find ammo for, it's ridiculously expensive when you do find it. They are all at this point in time best kept for serious reloaders that know what they are doing.
How much does BC really matter at ethical hunting distances? There are other things you can do that increase hit probability more than a high BC bullet does. For ELR competition and such, sure it is important to have the higher BC. Maybe better of practicing and learning to read wind better. Just my 2 cents.
7mm rm is king
I don’t understand his analogy between the two cartridges with 1 being a speed boat and the other a fishing boat. All I know is that 1 in the boiling room and it’s lights out for the animal.
I think what he is saying is that with a fishing boat you are bound to eat fish. So in conclusion go with the fishing boat. You can’t catch fish speeding through the water 😂
Animal- awwwe shit he hit me with the speed boat typa bullet
Not convinced. Les Bowman got it right the first time. 7mm Rem Mag, versatile from 100 grains to 197 grains, 1-9" twist, and any bullet design in between. 7 PRC only good with heavy bullets. Sorry not sorry.
Head height has nothing to do with how the bullet flies. What the heck are you guys doing?
So there the same thing?
Minimal reamer throating specs and barrel twist are the big benefits of the PRC.
And that translates into what when hunting at less than 500 or 600 yards? Which is a very long way out there.
Some people will jump for whatever the new company says is a fact..you sir..are right on steel or paper..but on game your way of target and 7prc is just like the 6.5 creed.. are junk
Are you sponsored by manufacturers of new caliber rifles and needed ammunition? Where in the hell does anyone in the lower 48 need anything more than a .243, .308,or 30-06. Now I love my,.35 Remmington ( 336), 30/30 , Savage 1899( 1907) , .264 Mag,.300 Mag …and others..But can you answer my first question? Thanks, Old Billy
Your problem is your action most actions are capable of being I don't have that problem because all my rifles have longer magazines I do not like the standard length actions and will always choose a true long action and long cartridges the prc are not for me
Im just not seeing anything worth while in these new prc cartridges. That short wide shouldered case looks cool but is less than ideal for proper feeding. Some manufacturers are having issues with their rifles feeding them reliably. You are cutting your magazine capacity and gaining nothing in performance. Guys bc doesn’t really matter till out past 500 and who is going to take a shot at game at that distance? Just stick with the old stuff or go wildcat if you reload.
Blah , Blah,Blah. Tell the truth. Manufacturers are just trying to sell guns. Nothing wrong with that but there not an elk,deer or moose that could tell the difference between a 7mm REM mag. 7mmWSM, 280 A.I. , 28 Nosler, 7mm Weatherby mag, 7mmRUM, 7mmSTW or the 7mm PRC. Love listening to Ron but something’s are ridiculous.
All u need is 6.8 western which is real 7 mm
Another prc fanboy.
Ol boy doesn’t even know wtf he is blabbering about
Ogive?
7mm Rem Mag all day long, I’ll outshoot your other so called better cartridge at any distance and do it better all damn day.