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I'd like to think that the protagonist volunteered to be the matyr after seeing how scared Jonathan was of death and not wishing force him through it, and that doing so touched Jonathan. He says that humans and demons think nothing but themselves, yet he sees that his friend is willing to give his life for him. That clears his fear and he becomes the matyr not as much for "the people" as he claims but more for the protagonist, seeing him both as the only one who can truly guide the people to salvation and his most valuable friend
The thing is, Jonathan doesn't take every order from the gods without question. He was really surprised from hearing the plot of destroying Tokyo, but since he was basically pushed back to a corner, he had no choice but to side with them. He knows what the what the humans, the Gods, and even himself are doing wrong, but he had no choice. Like Isabeau in my opinion, he just wanted the conflict to end and the best for the humans, albeit in a different way.
@@chargemankenia Jonathan is a pussy, literally he wants to be a cat. All and all Jonathan won't agree with god by the end bombing Tokyo so what would he do then? Cry for salvation? Take retribution with god for answers?
Jonathan's fusion looks less painful compared to Walter's. I kinda imagine it is like Walter gets ripped apart or eaten alive when the blood splatters.
Actually, it's because since the people of Mikado were never allowed to read books, the very act of reading is a rebellion against the law and thus sets free their repressed demon side. Apparently, Lilith herself didn't turn people into demons, she just gave them normal books, which somehow made them realise how messed up Mikado was to the point where they freely turned into demons.
That makes it 100% dumber.The fact that all lilith had to do was become a wandering librarian to destabilize a kingdom run by Angel's is fucking stupid.
Bear and the Bull I think the books actually activate the Demonic Gene within Mikado’s population (90% of its citizens have it), which is normally asymptomatic.
i would have been fine with the law ending, but then i found out in the DLC missions "clipped wings" that the four archangel are only using you, and that they lied about their plan being gods will.
It's more like Mastema is the one using the player in Clipped Wings. "Ancient one of the Sun" shows pretty clearly that god's will lie with the Archangels. Also, in the New Game + mission "Four Wings, Four Heads", it's shown that Aniel is working directly for god, and he also participates in the law exclusive quest to kill Mastema.
How appropriate that depending on your route, she utilizes strong female demons fitting her alignments: If she supports Chaos, she summons Kali, Isis and Dakini As a supporter of Law, her guardians are Jeane d'Arc, Valkyrie and Pallas Athena. This fight hurts, in more ways than one..
@@opprobrious2776 Her demons are actually the opposite of whichever alignment you are, almost as if Isabeau is trying to cause an equilibrium in alignments by using demons with the opposite alignment to yours
Alright, you've made me appreciate these characters even more than I already did. And yeah, she really does make the least amount of mistakes. In Neutral route, I *love* her development, and how she really comes into her own as a character. Seeing her happy, seeing her proudly stand up for what she believed in even against Merkebah really made me happy. (That dialogue in the Merkebah battle...so powerful :0). You've convinced me Jonathan wanted a very similar thing...he deserved better.
SMT IV lends that Neutral is canon. The game doesn't even let the Route Split be your choice as canonically Flynn is made to have gone with both. Blasted Tokyo is Law based on Flynn picking Law in another Timeline. Infernal Tokyo is Chaos based on Flynn picking Chaos in another Timeline. This game's Timeline is based off Past Flynn picking Neutral and aiding Masakado. Hence why Burroughs on Neutral says your choices are the same as your past self.
Also, unless in the Law or Chaos path, Isabeau in my opinion made the least amount of mistakes from this whole conflict. In all three paths Jonathan made many mistakes that basically lead to his demise, like Walter, but he knows what he's doing is wrong, unlike Walter who thinks he is mostly right. He knows that he would bring about great destruction, but going so far, witnessing all that he witnessed, sacrificing all that was precious to him, with no other leads... yeah. That's what I believe.
Her death is sadder in the Chaos route because it feels so genuine. In the Law route, Merkabah wants her dead because she read manga, leaving people like me with the feeling of "...What?"
DoubleA2015 I feel the law path is worse in terms of her death, it shows that the archangels really don't give two shits about the life in tokyo they'd simply off a human solely for reading a manga and they'd give it no look. In Chaos she tries to Defy your ideals and is trying to kill you, in law she just wants to protect tokyo trying to find another way of doing things. So in my opinion its worse during law.
Simply Okami I disagree. Lets compare Merkabah's and Lucifer's dialogue after killing Isabeau Lucifer: "Pitiful. See what comes to those without power harbouring wishes that exceed their grasp." Merkabah: "We must never forget this woman. If Tokyo is left untouched, there will be many for victims like her."
PrayingSeraph As much as I don't really like Merkabah's reason for killing Isabeau in the Law route at face value, he does at least show some kind of sympathy for her. Lucifer is...yeah, he's a jerk.
Simply Okami It's more a matter of poor writing, really. The manga Isabeau read was tainted by Lilith, and the effects of reading tained books are irreversable (as in, she could end up like poor Issachar). Also, Tokyo is a city full of sinful people, and I'm sure if Merkabah said "Hey, everybody! Stop sinning or this city will be destroyed!" the people would at best say "Eh, whatever." And yeah, Clipped Wings DLC kinda shows that the Archangels apparently turned their back against God, and that made Him sad.
That's exactly right. Everything you said was right on the market. SMT1 is basically the only canon ending of the entire series (minus spin offs I think). Makes it easier to make the choice of whatever ending you want without any worry.
Neutral: Migrate the peaceful people of Mikado to a ruined dump of a city, to live with people who previously slaughtered one another over philosophical beliefs. God and Lucifer are pissed off and are threatening their return, thus another Armageddon war. In Neutral ending, what can possibly go wrong?
I didn't see this comment. Anyway, the developers officially said that there's no canon ending. Yamai officially said that in an interview. You see more in Neutral, and it even hints that Neutral is probably the most likely to happen route, but it's still not canon from what they said.
Oh my goodness, the Ginza Black Card District scene. Priceless! Damn it, Isabeau, OF COURSE you can read your manga. Take all the time you want, I said!
I wouldn't say nobody likes him. In recent games, he has been portrayed in a much lighter and better tone. The best or happiest Devil Survivor ending was the Kingdom of Saints one and SMT IV has a pretty good law ending, sure Tokyo is destroyed, by humanity afterwards lives in peace for eternity, without any evil.
How is it no better? You reject both extremes, and remove the ceiling above Tokyo, without killing everyone in Mikado. Everybody wins. It's far better than the other two, where Isabeau is essentially a hero, fighting for what hurts the least amount of people, and is just slaughtered by you. Even if it's only temporary, or they both come back, at least in the Neutral route what Flynn and Isabeau accomplish is something to be proud of, without murdering everyone to do so.
The only way to have Absolute Order is to remove the ability to think which is what Law is about. In Chaos people are given the ability to express the ability to think but it brings Chaos because people will always have different ideals such as who should have power and such.
Exactly. Thank goodness I've met someone who has firsthand experience with SMT matters. Admittedly, I want to play them, but I've got enough of old school and new school gaming on my plate to finish as it stands. I'm not a crazy Persona fan, but I have played all of that series excluding Innocent Sin (need to get the PSP version). I really need to sink my teeth into SMT at some point.
Omega, did you do reincarnation start or new start,also how should go about playing this game if i want to do all three routes like what order and such.
Law/Chaos events always happen too regardless if your choice as well, Neutral events only happen if you pick Neutral. Ex. Regardless of your choice Walter merges with Lucifer and Jonathan with the Archangels. Isabeau opposes you on Law/Chaos no matter what, her fate only changes on Neutral.
True that both Law and Chaos result in violence and destruction, but Law is a good path. In Megami Tensei 1 and 2, SMT 1 and 2 and most of the earlier SMT games the Law route stayed the same and was a good path. However, in newer SMT games the Law path has taken on more of a Chaos complex.
"Why won't people think about others" *preparing to murder most of the population of Tokyo* Goddamn Law Route. At least Chaos is straightforward with its jerkishness.
I don't know why your comment was marked as spam, but thank you. I think both the Law and Neutral routes are wonderful, while I didn't like the Chaos route... at all. Besides, I'm a bit biased since Jonathan is my most favorite character in this game, and one of the only Law characters I love and can relate to in the entire series (other than Amane from Devil Survivor).
Law does not mean good as people always believe. Law is about absolute Order where no one would cause harm. However, as long people can think their will be no absolute Order since people will have different beliefs. Chaos is about the ability to express free will which tends to always result in Chaos which entitles destruction.
Things you find out from talking to NPCs in Mikado: after taking over, the archangels killed anyone in the country who had read a book. That's what they mean by killing the last of the Filth in Mikado.
Just because the past life Flynn chose law or chaos which ended in Blasted and Inferno Tokyo does not mean the same will happen if the current in-game Flynn chooses law or chaos. In fact, Jonathan tells Flynn that they have to make sure they don't repeat the mistake of Kiyoharu or Kenji, meaning that Blasted Tokyo or Inferno Tokyo are not definite. People assume that Neutral is canon because it requires the most work, but no where does that mean or state that it is canon because of this.
Aww, that's cool. So all in all from what I say, Atlus made so great as hell characters. My opinion: Jonathan > Isabeau (very close. Almost a tie) > Walter Also I love Isabeau's manga reading self. That's cute, even coming from me, as I don't read or like manga.
None of them are the most "moral" because morality is subjective. Some may agree with Walter's "No gods or kings, only men" ideals whilst others may agree with Jonathan in "preserving peace at all costs". So neither path is good, bad or moral. It entirely depends on your views.
Because she loves Flynn but cannot condone genocide as she wants to save both Tokyo and Mikado's peoples. At least she has a happy end with Flynn on Neutral.
Each ending has a huge consequence if you think about it. Chaos shows it's obvious consequences so I won't go there. In Law, pretty much Tokyo is destroyed, with Mikado having everlasting peace. In Neutral, indeed it is temporary, but there's also the major problem of Tokyo and Mikado coexisting, which most likely won't really happen in my opinion. So you basically find Neutral to be the best? Perfectly fine. I'm just saying that there's no good ending. Best one's really what you think it is.
Totally fine. I just say Law though since most of the people and samurai in their home survives. The fact that I saved millions from there and was certain that they won't be in any further danger fills me with joy. I love Isabeau, but there comes sacrifices, which I am a bit used to when it comes to the SMT series.
Nope. While Jesus isn't specifically talked about in the series(though he is the Messiah Persona in Persona 3 FES), the Bible is referenced. In Devil Survivor(I know its not the main series but still), after Noaya references himself as Cain, Amane says his memories are of the Old Testament. If there is an Old Testament, there is a new one too. Also, what do you think the crosses on the angels in the series represent? You provide no proof that YHVH doesn't care about all the commandments.
SMT fans often assume that neutral is canon, but from my knowledge, the only canon ending in any of the games that has been announced was the neutral ending in SMT I. There's no good ending in SMT IV, but as you already know, there is one where somebody wins, unlike the other two.
ahayala1 The endings go along an invisible point scale. Side with Jonathan and make Law-like choices for the Law Ending. Side with Walter and make Chaos-like choices for the Chaos Ending.
@@dragonredux Law-like choices involve killing your enemies in the hunter tournament, being cooperative, even if the one giving requests is not someone to trust (as such killing Kuebiko is Law)
Neutral, if you think about it, isn't really any better, but I" don't know if you played through it so I won't spoil. But all in all here's the thing: there basically is no good ending. No true one either, from what the developers said.
Only Merkabah has stupid reasoning there, saying that Isabeau is corrupt for having read manga from Tokyo. Isabeau is fighting because she doesn't want to let the protagonist kill every person in Tokyo just to get rid of the demons.
"This woman has come in contact with Tokyo's manga."
Isabeau NOOOOOOEEEEEEEEES! XD
Filth was more supposed to be doubts in their Millennium Kingdom.
The only thing I missed about having Jonathan instead of Merkabah is the constant "SUCH IS A SAMURAI SKILL" shouting in battle.
it's even better when the spell gets reflected to him
*Do not flatter yourself.*
HammerGeoLarrup "MY DEMONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT!"
such is the power of light sounds pretty close
*Such is a power of light.*
**BLOCK!**
**SMIRK**
I'd like to think that the protagonist volunteered to be the matyr after seeing how scared Jonathan was of death and not wishing force him through it, and that doing so touched Jonathan. He says that humans and demons think nothing but themselves, yet he sees that his friend is willing to give his life for him. That clears his fear and he becomes the matyr not as much for "the people" as he claims but more for the protagonist, seeing him both as the only one who can truly guide the people to salvation and his most valuable friend
We must make sure there are no more victims of...Tokyo's manga.
...I'm sorry, what?
+DoubleA2015 Manga got your hometown burned, remember. And your childhood friend tried to kill you because of it.
2tehnik Why be a puppet when you can be an appendage.
2tehnik I'm just stating the facts.
Kind of like how in my religion they Basically say everything is a sin
2tehnik It's really just how you view it.
The thing is, Jonathan doesn't take every order from the gods without question. He was really surprised from hearing the plot of destroying Tokyo, but since he was basically pushed back to a corner, he had no choice but to side with them. He knows what the what the humans, the Gods, and even himself are doing wrong, but he had no choice. Like Isabeau in my opinion, he just wanted the conflict to end and the best for the humans, albeit in a different way.
Option was not to fuse with the archangels???????? what the bumblebees are you talking about
Walter is the only confident one with his side. He even wanted to stay in Infernal Tokyo of all things.
@@moister3727Jonathan is human in his fear and doubt, Walter was cartoony in his loyalty to total chaos and destruction
@@chargemankenia Jonathan is a pussy, literally he wants to be a cat.
All and all Jonathan won't agree with god by the end bombing Tokyo so what would he do then? Cry for salvation? Take retribution with god for answers?
Like with most SMT characters you can argue that he was a well intentioned extremist.
Jonathan's fusion looks less painful compared to Walter's. I kinda imagine it is like Walter gets ripped apart or eaten alive when the blood splatters.
same thing happened to past flynn when the dome got created, he got eaten by masakado. must be a demon thing
PokeyMeansBusiness Yeah, I saw that. It looked like his head got eaten.
yup. his whole body got eaten actually.
PokeyMeansBusiness have you guys read SMTIV Demonic Gene?
i've read part of it. i can't find the other half of it online. i got to the point where lilith goes into walter's body
Sometimes I feel like this quote describes SMT games to tee
"Losing is Winning"
Actually, it's because since the people of Mikado were never allowed to read books, the very act of reading is a rebellion against the law and thus sets free their repressed demon side.
Apparently, Lilith herself didn't turn people into demons, she just gave them normal books, which somehow made them realise how messed up Mikado was to the point where they freely turned into demons.
That makes it 100% dumber.The fact that all lilith had to do was become a wandering librarian to destabilize a kingdom run by Angel's is fucking stupid.
@@bearandthebull2372 it could be just normal books. but i agree thats sound incredibly stupid.
@@bearandthebull2372 but Isabeau and Jonathan also read books, and they were ok, hell, Isabeau's manga is from Tokyo and no thing happened.
Bear and the Bull I think the books actually activate the Demonic Gene within Mikado’s population (90% of its citizens have it), which is normally asymptomatic.
@@mateusbazilio205 about that.... iseabeau not only read manga but something "particular" i would say.
5:29
"Gabriel walked away..."
Uh... you sure? That doesn't look like _walking_ to me.
Those with Knowledge will suffer the Lord's wrath, according to the Law Route.
Which I guess basically means, "Ignorance is bliss"
I think that knowledge and what they mean by knowledge are different
Well that was noticeably less bloody than fusing with Lucifer!
Nyrufa I'd like to believe that the light blinds the protagonist to the blood and gore
@@TheAzuregreen Blood sacrifice is inherently a demonic thing.
why read manga when you could read the bibble
t. merkabah
Isabeau is a fujoshi
that's literally a manga also
@@dhanarsantika Yeah, funnily enough, that is true (she also didn't listen to Yuriko trying to give spoilers)
Wow. It really says something when Merkabah is more sympathetic to Isabeau's death then Lucifer is.
I Love that he has no qualms about killing Unclean Ones and still annihalates himself without a moment of hesitation because he killed them
Honestly, it more so strikes me that Merkabah mistakenly has pity for Isabeau, completely ignoring that Isabeau didn't really want any
i would have been fine with the law ending, but then i found out in the DLC missions "clipped wings" that the four archangel are only using you, and that they lied about their plan being gods will.
It was more like their interpretation of God's will, I think.
It's more like Mastema is the one using the player in Clipped Wings. "Ancient one of the Sun" shows pretty clearly that god's will lie with the Archangels. Also, in the New Game + mission "Four Wings, Four Heads", it's shown that Aniel is working directly for god, and he also participates in the law exclusive quest to kill Mastema.
+Neon Z Maybe Jesus should come in the next game and explain everything?
No wait never mind they would probably make him an ugly robot too.
@@morehero1 Nah, he'd just be like... a.... A holy demi-fiend? Demi-God.
@@morehero1 Jesús is aleph ( smt 2)
How appropriate that depending on your route, she utilizes strong female demons fitting her alignments:
If she supports Chaos, she summons Kali, Isis and Dakini
As a supporter of Law, her guardians are Jeane d'Arc, Valkyrie and Pallas Athena.
This fight hurts, in more ways than one..
+Firion316 Low tier demons. Not enough grinding.
She never struck me as a grinder anyways.
And it's the symbolism behind each that hits me right in the feels..
No, she's only Neutral; I think her demons are meant to contrast your alignment in a way.
@@opprobrious2776 Her demons are actually the opposite of whichever alignment you are, almost as if Isabeau is trying to cause an equilibrium in alignments by using demons with the opposite alignment to yours
14:09 anime only people when being told to read the manga.
Alright, you've made me appreciate these characters even more than I already did. And yeah, she really does make the least amount of mistakes. In Neutral route, I *love* her development, and how she really comes into her own as a character. Seeing her happy, seeing her proudly stand up for what she believed in even against Merkebah really made me happy. (That dialogue in the Merkebah battle...so powerful :0). You've convinced me Jonathan wanted a very similar thing...he deserved better.
The Lord doesn't like weebs.
So in the neutral route you wouldn't see Jonathan or Walter, but Stephen instead?
Yup
SMT IV lends that Neutral is canon. The game doesn't even let the Route Split be your choice as canonically Flynn is made to have gone with both.
Blasted Tokyo is Law based on Flynn picking Law in another Timeline.
Infernal Tokyo is Chaos based on Flynn picking Chaos in another Timeline.
This game's Timeline is based off Past Flynn picking Neutral and aiding Masakado. Hence why Burroughs on Neutral says your choices are the same as your past self.
well for some games maybe but in Shin Megami Tensei 1 at least going with either route meant eradicating the other side if i remember correctly
This is the law route,yet u still have Lilith in your party.
Also, unless in the Law or Chaos path, Isabeau in my opinion made the least amount of mistakes from this whole conflict. In all three paths Jonathan made many mistakes that basically lead to his demise, like Walter, but he knows what he's doing is wrong, unlike Walter who thinks he is mostly right. He knows that he would bring about great destruction, but going so far, witnessing all that he witnessed, sacrificing all that was precious to him, with no other leads... yeah. That's what I believe.
Gods, I'm so happy I got the Neutral ending, I seriously would have quit before killing Isabeau, this made me way too sad, I really like her ;;
Her death is sadder in the Chaos route because it feels so genuine. In the Law route, Merkabah wants her dead because she read manga, leaving people like me with the feeling of "...What?"
DoubleA2015 I feel the law path is worse in terms of her death, it shows that the archangels really don't give two shits about the life in tokyo they'd simply off a human solely for reading a manga and they'd give it no look. In Chaos she tries to Defy your ideals and is trying to kill you, in law she just wants to protect tokyo trying to find another way of doing things. So in my opinion its worse during law.
Simply Okami
I disagree. Lets compare Merkabah's and Lucifer's dialogue after killing Isabeau
Lucifer: "Pitiful. See what comes to those without power harbouring wishes that exceed their grasp."
Merkabah: "We must never forget this woman. If Tokyo is left untouched, there will be many for victims like her."
PrayingSeraph As much as I don't really like Merkabah's reason for killing Isabeau in the Law route at face value, he does at least show some kind of sympathy for her. Lucifer is...yeah, he's a jerk.
Simply Okami It's more a matter of poor writing, really. The manga Isabeau read was tainted by Lilith, and the effects of reading tained books are irreversable (as in, she could end up like poor Issachar). Also, Tokyo is a city full of sinful people, and I'm sure if Merkabah said "Hey, everybody! Stop sinning or this city will be destroyed!" the people would at best say "Eh, whatever."
And yeah, Clipped Wings DLC kinda shows that the Archangels apparently turned their back against God, and that made Him sad.
To be fair, Neutral being temp makes sense as humanity is constantly tested by both extremes in a never ending war.
That's exactly right. Everything you said was right on the market. SMT1 is basically the only canon ending of the entire series (minus spin offs I think). Makes it easier to make the choice of whatever ending you want without any worry.
yea it's sad really but that's what i love of SMT
Neutral: Migrate the peaceful people of Mikado to a ruined dump of a city, to live with people who previously slaughtered one another over philosophical beliefs. God and Lucifer are pissed off and are threatening their return, thus another Armageddon war. In Neutral ending, what can possibly go wrong?
The whole idea is that now that the Firmament is down, Tokyo isn't the only living space available
I didn't see this comment.
Anyway, the developers officially said that there's no canon ending. Yamai officially said that in an interview. You see more in Neutral, and it even hints that Neutral is probably the most likely to happen route, but it's still not canon from what they said.
That last place you entered at the end of the vid looks lika a floor from tartarus
Oh my goodness, the Ginza Black Card District scene. Priceless! Damn it, Isabeau, OF COURSE you can read your manga. Take all the time you want, I said!
That scene. I couldn't help but smile at that.
true it just proves that freedom is he best choice but there will always be someone/something trying to end the freedom of living
If Walter is the pulsating arm in Lucifer then wheres Jonathan in Merkabah
Its mekabah face.
your right lol i mainly went with the Shin Megami Tensei 1 logic since a lot of it had to do with the Law and Chaos
How the hell did gabriel get in the home
I wouldn't say nobody likes him. In recent games, he has been portrayed in a much lighter and better tone. The best or happiest Devil Survivor ending was the Kingdom of Saints one and SMT IV has a pretty good law ending, sure Tokyo is destroyed, by humanity afterwards lives in peace for eternity, without any evil.
How is it no better? You reject both extremes, and remove the ceiling above Tokyo, without killing everyone in Mikado. Everybody wins. It's far better than the other two, where Isabeau is essentially a hero, fighting for what hurts the least amount of people, and is just slaughtered by you. Even if it's only temporary, or they both come back, at least in the Neutral route what Flynn and Isabeau accomplish is something to be proud of, without murdering everyone to do so.
The only way to have Absolute Order is to remove the ability to think which is what Law is about. In Chaos people are given the ability to express the ability to think but it brings Chaos because people will always have different ideals such as who should have power and such.
Regardless of which person you sided with. They will both end up dying to what they believed in. O.O
Exactly. Thank goodness I've met someone who has firsthand experience with SMT matters. Admittedly, I want to play them, but I've got enough of old school and new school gaming on my plate to finish as it stands. I'm not a crazy Persona fan, but I have played all of that series excluding Innocent Sin (need to get the PSP version). I really need to sink my teeth into SMT at some point.
Well that lady said to struggle until the very end so I'd say neutral would be the best ending.
Will you be trying for the Neutral route too, in the future? It's supposed to be the hardest to get...
Can any one in a response tell me what armor Omega is wearing? Is it dlc?
Its the red Hero Armour that you purchase in Blasted Shinjuku i believe
Coming in contact with manga. Wow, you weren't kidding when you said it was a stupid reason.
Omega, did you do reincarnation start or new start,also how should go about playing this game if i want to do all three routes like what order and such.
Yes, typically in the series, God always refers to YHVH.
Law/Chaos events always happen too regardless if your choice as well, Neutral events only happen if you pick Neutral. Ex. Regardless of your choice Walter merges with Lucifer and Jonathan with the Archangels. Isabeau opposes you on Law/Chaos no matter what, her fate only changes on Neutral.
True that both Law and Chaos result in violence and destruction, but Law is a good path. In Megami Tensei 1 and 2, SMT 1 and 2 and most of the earlier SMT games the Law route stayed the same and was a good path. However, in newer SMT games the Law path has taken on more of a Chaos complex.
"Why won't people think about others" *preparing to murder most of the population of Tokyo* Goddamn Law Route. At least Chaos is straightforward with its jerkishness.
Johnatan may care about Tokyo AND Mikado, but the Angels do not care about Tokyo's wellbeing. If it has to be destroyed to prevent calamity, so be it
His drunken stupor would help him and piss off a lot of bosses.
I don't know why your comment was marked as spam, but thank you. I think both the Law and Neutral routes are wonderful, while I didn't like the Chaos route... at all. Besides, I'm a bit biased since Jonathan is my most favorite character in this game, and one of the only Law characters I love and can relate to in the entire series (other than Amane from Devil Survivor).
Law does not mean good as people always believe. Law is about absolute Order where no one would cause harm. However, as long people can think their will be no absolute Order since people will have different beliefs. Chaos is about the ability to express free will which tends to always result in Chaos which entitles destruction.
The second's wrong entirely. That's literally what the Archangels get rid of for being inspired by Aquila rather than them.
Things you find out from talking to NPCs in Mikado: after taking over, the archangels killed anyone in the country who had read a book. That's what they mean by killing the last of the Filth in Mikado.
Just because the past life Flynn chose law or chaos which ended in Blasted and Inferno Tokyo does not mean the same will happen if the current in-game Flynn chooses law or chaos. In fact, Jonathan tells Flynn that they have to make sure they don't repeat the mistake of Kiyoharu or Kenji, meaning that Blasted Tokyo or Inferno Tokyo are not definite.
People assume that Neutral is canon because it requires the most work, but no where does that mean or state that it is canon because of this.
that is true lol in most SMT games at least
Aww, that's cool. So all in all from what I say, Atlus made so great as hell characters.
My opinion: Jonathan > Isabeau (very close. Almost a tie) > Walter
Also I love Isabeau's manga reading self. That's cute, even coming from me, as I don't read or like manga.
So, if Gabriel fused with three other male angels...
Are three male angels inside Gabriel?
Damned... I get this ending, But i want the neutral :'/ ..
+Sora Granda if you still don't got neutral then just do the opposite of your alignment to get it.
Lucifer Con Finally I got it, it was really difficult :/.
*Gets Tourettes Guy to fight everyone. I wonder what would happen if Tourettes Guy fought every Boss in the SMT series, even YHWH.*
Yes. I know that. You didn't have to tell me that. lol
...Why Isabeau have to die in both Chaos and Law route?It just looks wrong...
I meant WITHOUT any worry but you get the picture, That's also true. What you just said. Hope more knows this in the future.
Goddamnit Isabeau...
Or you could end it all, no more pointless battles of chaos against order.
so reading manga makes you evil huh..... i'm screwed Lol
None of them are the most "moral" because morality is subjective. Some may agree with Walter's "No gods or kings, only men" ideals whilst others may agree with Jonathan in "preserving peace at all costs". So neither path is good, bad or moral. It entirely depends on your views.
13:49 Oh dear, this won't end well :(
Because she loves Flynn but cannot condone genocide as she wants to save both Tokyo and Mikado's peoples. At least she has a happy end with Flynn on Neutral.
It is the best ending but it's not necessarily what you would think of a best ending of a game
Rip Isabeau my wife.:(
Still best route, though.
Nice choices. : )
So... Isabeau rejects both extreme choices. I hope that she is a full neutral person
Each ending has a huge consequence if you think about it. Chaos shows it's obvious consequences so I won't go there. In Law, pretty much Tokyo is destroyed, with Mikado having everlasting peace. In Neutral, indeed it is temporary, but there's also the major problem of Tokyo and Mikado coexisting, which most likely won't really happen in my opinion.
So you basically find Neutral to be the best? Perfectly fine. I'm just saying that there's no good ending. Best one's really what you think it is.
well at least this fusion wasnt bloody...
Totally fine. I just say Law though since most of the people and samurai in their home survives. The fact that I saved millions from there and was certain that they won't be in any further danger fills me with joy. I love Isabeau, but there comes sacrifices, which I am a bit used to when it comes to the SMT series.
Oh and that ranking;s for Jonathan and Isabeau. Very close. I just like Jonathan a slight bit more.
Nope. While Jesus isn't specifically talked about in the series(though he is the Messiah Persona in Persona 3 FES), the Bible is referenced. In Devil Survivor(I know its not the main series but still), after Noaya references himself as Cain, Amane says his memories are of the Old Testament. If there is an Old Testament, there is a new one too. Also, what do you think the crosses on the angels in the series represent? You provide no proof that YHVH doesn't care about all the commandments.
SMT fans often assume that neutral is canon, but from my knowledge, the only canon ending in any of the games that has been announced was the neutral ending in SMT I. There's no good ending in SMT IV, but as you already know, there is one where somebody wins, unlike the other two.
The last white... I haven't actually played this game but isn't that Issachar?
That it is
At least Merkabah isn't a total jerk about Isabeau's death.
Interesting her demons are different too
how the hell do you get the law and chaos endings, I so far only got neutral.
ahayala1 The endings go along an invisible point scale. Side with Jonathan and make Law-like choices for the Law Ending. Side with Walter and make Chaos-like choices for the Chaos Ending.
@@dragonredux Law-like choices involve killing your enemies in the hunter tournament, being cooperative, even if the one giving requests is not someone to trust (as such killing Kuebiko is Law)
Yes
Agree
Ironic, the Warrior chosen by God is using Lilith in battle lol.
yup
Looks like someone' never heard of New Game Plus.
Welp, Isabeau's dead yet again. Are you ready to go neutral after doing the LAW side so that she'll actually stay alive for once? Please Omega? :3
Neutral, if you think about it, isn't really any better, but I" don't know if you played through it so I won't spoil. But all in all here's the thing: there basically is no good ending. No true one either, from what the developers said.
Poor walter and jonathan qq
yea the only game with a canon ending is SMT1
Of course she dies yet again, why am I even surprised. At least all signs seem to point to her surviving in the Neutral path ._.
Can we get a ending that does not make us kill her?!
Neutral ending doesn't have you fight Isabeau, nor will you be accompanied by either Lucifer or Merkabah, and you must fight both bosses
I liked Jonathan and Walter but it's a shame the world screws them over. Especially Isabeau.
Man, the reason to fight Isabeau in this route doesn't make any sense.
Only Merkabah has stupid reasoning there, saying that Isabeau is corrupt for having read manga from Tokyo. Isabeau is fighting because she doesn't want to let the protagonist kill every person in Tokyo just to get rid of the demons.
Merkabah says that because of what happened in Kiccigiorgi
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Mark 12:31 "The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these."
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