HammerGeoLarrup It's the ultimate imsult to the Lightbearer, I'd say; to force Lilith, who is in many ways his female counterpart, into opposing him... And that during such a crucial conflict as this, too.
Didn't Lucifer say that all of our essence would be destroyed, to a point where nothing is really left of us? Guess the devil lied to us to the very end. I'm just thankful that we put Walter out of his misery instead of having him be a literal fetus attached to a very pissed off Lucifer for the rest of eternity.
My feelings of the endings: Law: Was it worth genocide? Chaos: Can there really be an order after this? White: WTF did I just do? Neutral: It isn't genocide, at least.
@@sock312 Ir's not just 'lack of order'. It's the mentality of 'no kings or demons, only men', where the set hierarchy is non-existent, and one's own capabilities decide how well they do. Order can still exist in such a world, but hierarchy based on birth cannot
i really like the neutral ending. the sun rising on a new world. if it's everything outside of tokyo that has had 1500 years to pass then that's more than enough time for nature to heal once again. so very nice very happy i like it
If I were Flynn Merkabah: We are gonna sacrifice ourself to kill Tokyo Me: Tf, You want me to die killing Tokyo? Merkabah: It's the will of the lord me: *Takes a terminal and transports out*
Yeah yeah... let's compare the perfect stoic protagonist to our selfish emotional selves... i never liked that. The reason i love Silent Protagonists is because they are Perfect, Stoic and it's easier for me to see them as an ideal that i want to strive for. I love the expression Flynn makes, purely dedicated to what he's doing.
@@obi-wankenobi4337 I do know it... and somehow, silent protagonists are the ones who i relate myself the most. I always imagine myself in their place.
I really like how this ending implies that Flynn no longer continued to reincarnate after defeating Lucifer. Whether it's due to having been swallowed by the black hole or because his spirit had no more reason to return I'm not sure, though.
It certainly makes Jonathan's sacrifice look more painless and "merciful" compared to what Walter has to go through after his own sacrifice. Poor dude...
As I have already stated, the game hints that the caste system was abolished when the angels took control. Gabriel says that the corrupt caste system "saddened our Lord". Not to mention the King and many Luxurors were exiled or punished. In Tokyo, the national pastime is watching hunters kill each other in arena's. I wouldn't compare Mikado's people to Tokyo's, while there were a few decent people in Tokyo, there was far more bad. In Mikado, most are honest working people.
What are you talking about? The vast majority of people in Tokyo are also good, honest, hard working people just trying to survive. Some of the hunters may seem selfish and just want treasure, but all they're trying to do is survive. On the other hand, the people in Mikado are far worse. There was one man who survived in the law ending that was HAPPY to have his son killed because he was reading literature. And he was considering killing his adopted son because he suspected him of also being into literature. No matter what God or the angels do Fiction and literature will eventually resurface in Mikado, possibly in a different name though. Chaos is honestly the route with the most potential to be good. You literally completely smash the order created in Tokyo and Mikado. Under Flynn a new order can form, one that values merit above all else.
I liked this ending. Sure the other two Samurais died and Jonathan is basically "dead" as well, but this is nice. Everlasting peace, not worrying about demons anymore, etc. I find the pros tremendously outweighing the cons in this ending. Besides Jonathan is one of the only Law characters that I really liked, cared for, and can relate to compared to many of the other Law characters of the series. First path and ending I got and am glad of the results.
@@kainthedragoon8081 It's moreso either fixing all of humanity's problems at the cost of the darker sides being entirely eliminated, or having humanity start again from the ground up with the help of Demons, but yeah. Both endings are really good tho.
On the surface, it is (similar to the Chaos and even Neutral ending, to other people). However, it is so saddening to know that these endings will only result to so much change before it repeats the opposing values of the world, becomes the absolute extremes of these ideals (Infernal and Blasted Tokyo), etc. It gives the White ending more context knowing that not only what you do in this game doesn’t matter, but also hurts more than it helps to the people of Tokyo and Mikado. You’re not on a righteous path for people in the Law route: you’re blindly destroying innocent lives for sake of only resetting the inevitable cycle of doing so again and again to the next generation, as humans are born of evil nature. You’re not freeing and changing the once shackled world of Mikado in the Chaos route: you’re coaching a dictator in his path to destroy and burn everything in its path to be the one to not guide the people, but only to challenge and and provide fear to them. And Neutral, while the “good” ending in this game, is merely a hiatus of a situation that will just bud again. This game is a tragedy, inside and out. I still cry when replaying and listening to the game and it’s soundtrack (such as “Messiah”, “King”, “Separation”, and “B3”. It’s why i understand faith more than every before, why I want to live my best life for my girlfriend and family, and to never show hatred to others. In a game that only shows pain and suffering, it truly makes me want to do more than anything
It's kind of nice of Merkabah to actually go down with you, rather than being like "YOU have been brushed against Filth, and therefore, you need to die". He may be many things, but he is no backstabbing jerk.
To be honest I didn't expect I also have to kill myself at the end though Merkabah warned about that but to late. I kinda expected a welcome party but since we're "tainted" from our travels to Tokyo, your banned from Mikado. But in Flynn's mind, after all his friends died especially Isabeau who just admitted her feelings, he be like screw it, I'll tag along with them and hope to see them at Charon's desk. at least I brought peace... I think At least he wont be alone unlike in Chaos. Gotta play it 2x again :P
+iskoconquers If you DID see the at Charon's Desk, here's how things will go, probably. Flynn: "Hey, Isabeau! Walter! Jonathan!" Isabeau: "YOU MONSTER!"
.....Except it is a peace built on genocide, ignorance, angels killing anyone who may throw a wrench in their plans, being forced to absolutely worship an egomaniacal God or die, and a perpetual state of now where the world will never go through any growth or change. "Peace" can be achieved without this level of extreme.
Venus Adeptisaac Devil Survivor Law ending is pretty much this, people decide to follow God by they own free will, and Abel convince the angels to not commit genocide.
+GoldSaint Luis Demons and Angels can revive themselves, though. Unlike humans, which when they die they die for good until they're reborn. Killing a demon is much more justifiable than killing a human, who is invested in their life and won't remember their past life when reborn. besides, most of the killing you're talking about isn't exclusive to a neutral run. you kill the least amount of people in the neutral route since you resurrect the goddess as well as choose to not genocide an entire city of people. the demons will keep coming out of the expanse, but they can be used to help better society. i remember some of the tokyo people before the neutral route ended in my playthrough said that they plan on keeping all the unfriendly demons out of tokyo until there aren't any left. points in the direction isabeau was going when she argued against merkabah saying that they can strive for what's best without going to monastic extremes. but all of that will be figured out in SMT IV Final, which fixes a lot of the problems that the neutral ending left in SMT IV. Similar to how SMT 2 is a continuation of SMT 1's neutral route which still left them with problems.
Nope,, this is one of the few SMT games where the neutral ending is overall superior,and all around good ending. If you paid attention to the game lore, and DLC, is revealed that the law ending is the most "evil". The Angels are responsible for every bad thing that happens in the game directly or indirectly because of God's plan, whose goal was to get rid of the original sin, which is human knowledge, how they plan to do this, is to kill everyone and start a new human race (which is Mikado). Also God's plan is not even God, the main angels have lost contact from the Great Will a long time ago, and they are just doing what they think is God's will
Law is the philosophy of the selfless and those who understand that we put laws into place to safeguard the general welfare. People seem to think that Law does not promote change or growth, but this is incorrect. A society without conflict or strife, a society of equality, is the best breeding ground for advancement. In Law, everyone is judged equally and fairly, and those who are found lacking must pay the price. But for those who follow the law and aid their community, peace and happiness are theirs to keep. Vastly preferable to the sad, hopeless life of Chaos, where people are constantly looking over their shoulders for fear of traitors or usurpers.
Not quite. Megaten operates on a multiverse; thus, every ending is canon. However, not every ending gets a continuation in the form of a game. In SMT1, the Neutral ending leads to the events of SMT2 but the Law ending of that game leads to SMT: 20XX, more specifically the events that occurred in Valhalla before Aleph's birth. Neutral is generally the best route to take since Law and Chaos taken to extreme is bad for humanity something that we as players who are humans relate so much with the Neutral route.
"Hero"? That depends on point of view. Many people may just see the protagonist as a homicidal lunatic that killed millions of people because the angels said those millions aren't worth saving. :/
@@Palatinus-Z Unless said knowledge or desire for knowledge is your happiness. Dictating what happy is supposed to mean and that it takes precedence over all else? Sounds pretty lawful.
@@MajorLawliet I made a really large text, hope you don't mind, friend. Plus, forgive me any typo, english is not my main language. I'm not claiming moral high ground based on human perspective on my point of view. Take fascism or some other form of dictatorship for exemple, awfully like the lawful world; it's just someone who thinks he knows what it's right, wrong, and what makes people happy, right? We both know that is a disaster, hence, chaos sound more human, free and logic based on what we experience from law (and I'm not arguing about what "law" is) However, this view is down to it's knee before God himself. Take all the holy scriptures and look for heaven in it, people are always happy and...they aren't free to sin, because they don't want to, and why they don't want? Because they happy. You see, the jew and christian scriptures say the closest we are to God, the more happy we become, and by happy I mean fulfilled and delighted; however this also is a influence in our ways to take decisions, right? Why stop doing something if that makes you happy? And so...making someone artificially happy is right down brainwashing, that is the argument against law by chaos. However, by PRAGMATIC point of view, you have the greatest intellectual on power (God, cuz he knows all, while most demons don't), he gives you pure bliss (which is the goal of ever human deed), no fault can be made, nor cruel act which isn't justifiable. Sure, you don't control your life, but would you need to control something only "because I want" and ruin the bliss of everyone by making stupid stuff? Sounds more selfish than law by now. You would make pain reappear because morality while morality never solved a sigle problem and morality breeds chaos (in this scenario) which then breeds imorality by demons? Law solves the problem fairly easy. Then you say: "Well, Adam and Eve were happy and they seek knowledge" Absolutely right. However, seek the paradise in the Christian laws. God HIMSELF is amongs us, when he wasn't on Eden, which solves the problem. Plus, the world supposedly exists for people to know how bad freedom is. Heck, even freedom to choose your destiny is bad when you don't know what to do. But to know that someone who sees ALL, even you, choose your destiny, you can't be anything beyond happy. "But what about the Tokyo Millenium in SMT2?" That wasn't God, it was a fake made by angels, and even then the workers who were laboring and being slaughtered and jailed were happy (I can't confirm that one), so I leave that question to you. Is it good or bad? Now, about the most scary world in Strange Journey... People are brainwashed by Zelenin and her song, and they are happy. It's canon, however, that some people weren't affected and were killed, which is a reference to Christian teachings of not rejecting the Holy Ghost, hence, not repenting or submitting out of sheer pride or incapability of recognizing misdeeds, which means you are forever lost. Also, in Christian terms, all elucidating thoughts and high culture comes from God via the Holy Ghost, reject that and you are a demon yourself. Can you reject the Holy Ghost without wanting to? I don't think so. Zelenin power is not the power of God, it's the power of Satan (Mastemah). You see, in the Ethiopian church, Mastemah is a Angel, not just any Angel, he is a governor of the Angels of the Presence, Uriel. Uriel is called Jeremiel at some accounts, and Jeremiel is Ramiel, and Ramiel is a fallen angel, a watcher, group which joined Mastema, and together they are MastemaH. So Zelenin power comes from the boss of SATAN, her power is OP, but not absolute, hence, he can and certainly fail with strong minded people like Alex. We all know God wasn't behind Mastema's plan, so this is a PHONY Law Path, God's Will isn't at work. But in lawful-neutral ALL abide by the song and became non-violent without fault, much because it wasn't a TOTAL mind control, it didn't gave happiness, it JUST removed violence and made people reasonable, a ending which I love. Now, even in the most pessimistic scenario, 1% is unhappy and 99% happy. Chaos or Neutral doesn't even get results. Neutral lead to repetitive mistakes and alignment wars again, chaos just bring dictators which will try to make law by their own hands, but not law for the people, but to keep them from taking him down (just like the chaos that Mussolini, Hitler or Lenin used to rise up to power). I see the lawful as a lesser evil overall, imoral, yes, but to God which can change concepts (based on the Conception from SMT III and Kagutsuchi changing concepts, and also Polaris from Devil Survivor) what morality even mean? For all we know, God can change it (because Amala turns all smt connected and every world in the hands of the Great Will, meaning that some divine power in some world can be replicated by God, since God is the Great Will "incarnation", and the Great Will is the source of all those tricks, to conception to the void in devil survivor). So that's that. I was a chaotic myself, but Lawful makes way more sense and more people happy.
Except that the less fortunate will continue to be oppressed in MIkado, remember it wasn't the literature that turned the casualries into demons, it was the sheer rage at realizing there was an alternative to the caste system, and that they had been lied to for all of known time. Sure there were bad people in Tokyo, but there are lots of bad people in Mikado as well, neither side deserves what happens to them in the Chaos/Law endings.
Yeah, I really liked Jonathan. He reminded me of myself. For example, when he decides to be a martyr and talks to the MC for the last time, he says things like "Every time humans and demons open their mouths, they talk only of themselves. Why cant people help one another? Are humans even worth salvation?". This resonated with me because I have asked such things. He acknowledged the flaw in humanity and realized that it is through God and Law(guidance and order), humans can live happily.
I am curious regarding how Mikado is ran after the Law ending though. Apparently the angels eliminated the King and its former way of life to establish rule under the angels. However I still feel bad for Tokyo. Especially since I loved Lilith, the Ring of Gaea, and what they believed in. I liked a lot of the Unclean Ones.
Actually Isabeau always wants to be with Flynn's path but that's only possible on Neutral. Walter and Johnathan are clear what they want and always end up as it in the end, Isabeau only gets what she wants if you go Neutral and much of the events in Neutral are Neutral exclusive while important events in Law/Chaos happen in all routes. Such as the war between Demons and Angels, Lucifier and Merkabah.
"Thus was a world created where all that is evil is ousted. The peace that the people know today shall last forever. It is a world populated only with the innocent; the world God longed to see"-SMT IV Law ending Plus the last quest for law in this game is called "Today's Peace Unto Eternity" Just sayin
To me, Law gave me a sense of satisfaction than the other two, the other two endings made me feel "Is this really it?" Maybe they showed what a glimpse of happened after the Law ending which gave me a feeling of closure, but the other two made me feel like there seems to be more to it.
Well this one is really not that complex. Basically, the main character kills all people in Tokyo with a black hole. This eliminated all people who God and the angels don't deem worthy. Thus, the people in the Kingdom of Mikado (where God's Chosen live) experience a new era of order where angels watch their every move. Then they show the epilogue that is meant to make you think whether or not genocide against millions was "worth it".
demi lembias ...except the Axiom will create messiahs to fuck with that peace so no killing millions for temporary peace only for it to all be for nothing isn’t worth it
Actually it is left ambiguous whether or not the oppressive caste system remains in place. The angels supposedly took rule into their own hands in the law route. Either the angels watch over Mikado directly or the caste system remains after the events of the game.
The angels already vanished since they were all fused into Merkabah who got swallowed by the YPR, and afaik, the caste system was being broken down after the angels took authority
I like the law ending the best. The best thing is when you completed the final mission, you get to die too. Mission accomplished, and I don't want any rewards. The worst part? It is the fact that you are remembered as hero. Like I said, finished the mission, and I don't want to be remembered.
So you killed every humans and demon on earth and erased the history of mankind and knowledge, so only the mikado church of crazy people are alive ? That's not a really good choice tbh
@@hanoi_revolver if that is what it takes to let God to start things on earth anew, I am going to do it. BTW: What is so good about the history and knowledge of mankind? History is just record of men killing and wrong doing men, why would you care about that? Would you be proud of your criminal records?
He did seem religious though, he would always say things like "Thank heavens" or "I prayed that you came". He also seemed to have reverence for the angels. Plus right before the Merkabah battle in the neutral path, he talks highly about God and his affection for us. But you are right, he did follow his heart a lot. He was kind hearted, honest, honourable and really just wanted the best for humanity. He wasn't some nutcase zealot. And yes, Amane is awesome too, much better than Noaya.
I want to do the endings but I have college in a few weeks, project DIVA for the PS3, Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies, and the Pokemon Gen 6. Anyway, Omega what is your magic stat!?
ya know, it is mentioned that the angels abolished the class system, everyone was equal, I remember that one casualry noted how it was less that everyone was a luxuror but that everyone was now a casualry. Make of that what you will.
Walter always had his own reason and belief for doing what he did. The path you take has no bearing on what the others decide to do, it only affects the final result. Walter will always let himself be eaten by Lucifer. Jonathan will always do fusion dance with the Archangels. Isabeau will always be like "man fuck both of you". The only difference between the 3 paths is that the side you decide to take is the side that wins, and the other 2 paths' characters will be killed off.
Merkabah says that Flynn has to die too because he has been around the Unclean Ones too much. Also, I don't think the chaotic ending is selfish. It was just Walter's dream of having a "might makes right" society where anyone who is strong enough to survive can make the world how they want. Walter saw it as a better alternative to Mikado where the wealthy people will forever oppress and look down on the poor, and the poor can never make a better life for themselves.
In this ending only Tokyo and its people (and the demons) are destroyed because God has condemned them. Mikado and its biased yet peaceful society are no longer threatened by the "unclean" people in Tokyo. In the bad ending EVERYTHING dies.
Well, if you loved the chaos faction, play chaos. In RPG's, I typically side with whomever shares my real morals. Seeing as I am religious and definitely not a humanist or social darwinist, and I mantain order in my personal life, Law is perfect match for me.
Don't know about Lucifer, I really don't think you can fuse him. But you do can fuse the Archangels buying the DLC "Clipped Wings" and beating them. Trust me they will be a pain in the...
Goddamnit Merkabah. So, was this a happy ending? Won't people who try to rebel and do "evil" things be punished? But these are the questions we must face ourselves. I like how respectful Lucifer was, certainly more so than Merkabah. I doubt the neutral ending will be as happy. And considering both of the other endings are bittersweet at best...
While not stated outright, the game hints that the caste system was abolished when the angel's took over. Gabriel openly says that the caste system saddened the Lord and that they were sent to make things right. Considering that the king and many of the Luxurers were punished or exiled, I would place my bet on the system being abolished.
I'm not sure. Either having biased caste society or having angels watch my every move sounds terrible. Law is not my cup of tea. Give me chaos or neutral.
Venus Adeptisaac Law is the philosophy of the selfless and those who understand that we put laws into place to safeguard the general welfare. People seem to think that Law does not promote change or growth, but this is incorrect. A society without conflict or strife, a society of equality, is the best breeding ground for advancement. In Law, everyone is judged equally and fairly, and those who are found lacking must pay the price. But for those who follow the law and aid their community, peace and happiness are theirs to keep. Vastly preferable to the sad, hopeless life of Chaos, where people are constantly looking over their shoulders for fear of traitors or usurpers.
But all that by sacrificing individual freedom and free thinking is just ridiculous. Neutral also offers the exact same thing but with individual freedom incluided. And I agree, chaos is the worst.
@@fabianoyaga8610 to be fair, SMT YHVH is mainly just the Old Testement, which is a real shame. I mean, I get it. There wouldn't be NEARLY as much story nuance if they did borrow from the theological concepts from the New Testement. New Testement YHVH is meant to more or less implied to have planned out the fall of man from paradise so that people can come to follow him of their own free will through Jesus, which is basically neutral route to a degree. So yeah, I think people give law too much shit. Life can be absolutely fucking terrible for people who's lives have never known order.
Well, its caste system means that most of the people will be eternally part of the labor force, and nothing will ever change there. How is a world that has become truly stagnant different from death?
Ummm..... I am all for equality and all but I am also a firm believer that anyone who proves themselves stronger, smarter, or more capable than someone else deserves to be above lesser people.
Very bittersweet. I think I liked Lucifer's idea of a new world more. After all, a world where only the innocent live peacefully is nice to think about, but it's a fantasy that can never happen.
Yeah, exactly what I thought. I had a feeling this would happen like this and won't be as bad since I paid a bit too much attention to the path's story. But this is just as good as (very minor spoiler) Devil Survivor's. Not that bad at all compared to the feelings of the other law endings from the other game.s
I got stuck in the loosely defined Tokyo and I couldn't find anything to do or that I could actually complete without being able to reach a area I couldn't reach. Did anybody else have this issue with the game?
Which is why there should still be enough chaos in any society for there to still be competition and risks so people will always want better. Keeping Mikado in absolute peace (with there being no indication of the caste system being abolished) will never allow the stronger and more hardworking people (luxuror or casualrie) to become the true leaders in society. Leaders should not be chosen based on birth right like in Mikado. Still a great ending for what it is though.
I believe that they're thinking WAY too much when viewing the negatives of this ending, which will only bring up more negatives that most likely never existed in the first place. Usually Law has endings that make you feel very guilty, but this not that much, but based on the pattern of the series I think they force themselves to think this is overall very bad. Neutral and Chaos, while having positive results as well, have more negative things about them, and they are pretty obvious to see.
Finally, someone who gets it. Here's basically the difference between endings. Law: Only Tokyo gets screwed while Mikado lives in peace. Neutral: Both get screwed by having to live with eachother. Chaos: Mikado gets really screwed while Tokyo gets swarmed with demons who eat people. Atleast in Law, somebody wins.
Devil Survivor Series disagrees. They have much better Law endings. You also are screwed over in this Law ending, you don't get a choice. After killing the final boss the button is pressed whether you consent or not.
Because you were judged as unclean for going to the Underground as you dealt with what is seen by the angels as Filth. Regardless Neutral is better than both extremes anyway and is much longer. Masakado also trolls Demons/Angels quite a bit.
How much HP did Lucifer have anyways? None of my demons even got close to dying against him before the fight was over. At least Merkabah killed one of my demons...
Ah yes I loved that quote. Despite siding with God, he still finds the wrong of what literally everyone is doing, even God and even himself. Yet no matter what he wants the conflicts to end and the world to change hopefully for the better, yet the only choice he had in doing so is to side with God. He didn't take all of God's orders without question. He was very surprised in the thought of destroying Tokyo. All of this is very unlike the other law characters and I like him a lot because of it.
SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI 4 WHERE READING IS POISONOUS FOR YOU LUCIFER IS A HIGH SCHOOL GIRL CITIES ARE BAD AND BEING ATHEIST IS GOOD Meanwhile the church is trashing pokemon
Yes, I noticed those signs too. But like you said, he wasn't some mindless follower. He acted, or mostly acted, like a normal human in the game, who wanted the best for everyone, like Isabeau, but in a different way of course. He's a fair and cool guy in my book, like Amane, who wanted the best for everyone as well. lol I think you and I will get along nicely.
I believe that this is correct. I am also pretty sure that the angels said that they are working towards killing all of the peasants that have read Lilith's books or are still trying to read them so no more people would become demons. I would honestly be afraid of taking one misstep if the angels themselves were watching my every move, however I suppose that is the nature of the Law ending.
I usually do multiple runs of MegaTen games to get all of the endings, not just the chaotic ones. However in one Atlus game, Catherine, I only did chaos and neutral. I wouldn't say I'm a social Darwinist, however I do find a world where the strong and smart are the ones who survive and rule interesting (Like Yamato's ending in Devil Survivor 2 and Chiaki's Reason in SMT 3). >_< I even saw the Ring of Gaea as the "good guys' compared to the Ashura-Kai.
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I like how in order to get law points you avoid killing people only to wind up committing genocide later on.
Thou will be done.
And I still regretting that decision
I mean if we take charon seriously he has a lot of work, so maybe everyone had macca to just come back to life.
@@elmeromogollon or maybe everyone had a healthy supply of play coins 😳
It's not genocide it's just not letting certain people who fit a certain personality type live anymore. ^^
I like the fact that you went up against Lucifer with Lilith.
+HammerGeoLarrup "Seems Legit"
HammerGeoLarrup It's the ultimate imsult to the Lightbearer, I'd say; to force Lilith, who is in many ways his female counterpart, into opposing him... And that during such a crucial conflict as this, too.
*demonic divorces be like*
11:55
Metatron: "Taint thyself with the power of demons."
Me: "...What?"
Angels are demons too, they're just treated differently due to their relation with YHVH, who's also a demon.
@@NIHIL_EGO awww shit.
Demon is the catch all for anything not mortal
*Merkabah:* Welp, guess the Lord won't be needing His chariot anymore. (presses button)
Oh, damn it. Poor Walter... What have they done to you...
I just noticed that the creature on Lucifer's arm has Walter's scarf on it.
yea because it's Walter 😔😔😔 I remember playing that boss a few years ago and seeing Walter like that broke my heart
05:26 Sup, Walter
Oh shit! All this time and I didn't notice the scarf!
Well, that's terrifying.
holy shit i never noticed that scarf
Wow did not see that till now. That's so subtle
Didn't Lucifer say that all of our essence would be destroyed, to a point where nothing is really left of us?
Guess the devil lied to us to the very end.
I'm just thankful that we put Walter out of his misery instead of having him be a literal fetus attached to a very pissed off Lucifer for the rest of eternity.
My feelings of the endings:
Law: Was it worth genocide?
Chaos: Can there really be an order after this?
White: WTF did I just do?
Neutral: It isn't genocide, at least.
Well for chaos the lack of order is kinda the point
Answers at least how I see them:No,Yes,End the universe,indeed.
@@sock312 Ir's not just 'lack of order'. It's the mentality of 'no kings or demons, only men', where the set hierarchy is non-existent, and one's own capabilities decide how well they do. Order can still exist in such a world, but hierarchy based on birth cannot
i really like the neutral ending. the sun rising on a new world. if it's everything outside of tokyo that has had 1500 years to pass then that's more than enough time for nature to heal once again. so very nice very happy i like it
Law: yes
A black hole seems to be the only appropriate response to Tokyo's manga.
If I were Flynn
Merkabah: We are gonna sacrifice ourself to kill Tokyo
Me: Tf, You want me to die killing Tokyo?
Merkabah: It's the will of the lord
me: *Takes a terminal and transports out*
Obi-Wan Kenobi Merkabah: What the...Flynn? Flynn!
Netural all the way
Yeah yeah... let's compare the perfect stoic protagonist to our selfish emotional selves... i never liked that.
The reason i love Silent Protagonists is because they are Perfect, Stoic and it's easier for me to see them as an ideal that i want to strive for.
I love the expression Flynn makes, purely dedicated to what he's doing.
@@KeyleeTamirian I mean the protagonists are literally a manifestation of our selfish desires. Regardless of path taken
@@obi-wankenobi4337 I do know it... and somehow, silent protagonists are the ones who i relate myself the most. I always imagine myself in their place.
I really like how this ending implies that Flynn no longer continued to reincarnate after defeating Lucifer. Whether it's due to having been swallowed by the black hole or because his spirit had no more reason to return I'm not sure, though.
It certainly makes Jonathan's sacrifice look more painless and "merciful" compared to what Walter has to go through after his own sacrifice. Poor dude...
Walter.... Q.Q
Even as an enemy, you were still an awesome bro.
then you can bring yourself back from charion's desk with app points XD
flynn will be like.... : *SUCK ON THAT JOHNNY BOY*
As I have already stated, the game hints that the caste system was abolished when the angels took control. Gabriel says that the corrupt caste system "saddened our Lord". Not to mention the King and many Luxurors were exiled or punished. In Tokyo, the national pastime is watching hunters kill each other in arena's. I wouldn't compare Mikado's people to Tokyo's, while there were a few decent people in Tokyo, there was far more bad. In Mikado, most are honest working people.
I guess living in total peace and harmony and being in a shithole make people act differently :0
@@sock312 Surprising, right?
Taking the hard part and trying to reach some understanding also seems to be a foreign concept. _Looks at Blasted Tokyo._
What are you talking about? The vast majority of people in Tokyo are also good, honest, hard working people just trying to survive. Some of the hunters may seem selfish and just want treasure, but all they're trying to do is survive.
On the other hand, the people in Mikado are far worse. There was one man who survived in the law ending that was HAPPY to have his son killed because he was reading literature. And he was considering killing his adopted son because he suspected him of also being into literature. No matter what God or the angels do Fiction and literature will eventually resurface in Mikado, possibly in a different name though.
Chaos is honestly the route with the most potential to be good. You literally completely smash the order created in Tokyo and Mikado. Under Flynn a new order can form, one that values merit above all else.
@@fujinyumi5632 Chaos is just as bad as Law most of the time.
@@ltb1345 this is smt iv. Chaos is usually worse than law. This time id say it's better.
I liked this ending. Sure the other two Samurais died and Jonathan is basically "dead" as well, but this is nice. Everlasting peace, not worrying about demons anymore, etc. I find the pros tremendously outweighing the cons in this ending. Besides Jonathan is one of the only Law characters that I really liked, cared for, and can relate to compared to many of the other Law characters of the series. First path and ending I got and am glad of the results.
Merkabah: "I trust you take my meaning?"
me: Yeah, whatever
*Merkabah press the buttom*
me: wait, what?! son of a bitch!
lmao
I guess you didn't take his meaning afterall.
Okay Lucifer's second phase was beyond creepy. The ending did feel bittersweet. Gave me an empty feeling.
And this is why I can never pick a Law ending. Absolute mindless servitude, fictional or not, is terrifying.
Perhaps you would be interested in Strange Journey new Law ending.
It's Not mindless. Just determined
The new law and chaos endings are great! It isn’t god of Lucifer its instead freeing humanity and giving it its freedom
Law be the ultimate dickriding ending
@@kainthedragoon8081 It's moreso either fixing all of humanity's problems at the cost of the darker sides being entirely eliminated, or having humanity start again from the ground up with the help of Demons, but yeah. Both endings are really good tho.
7:40 There see the Holy Spirit is in the game.
+Levi Walton (MorHero) :]
Am i the only one who finds this ending heartwarming in a strange way?
On the surface, it is (similar to the Chaos and even Neutral ending, to other people). However, it is so saddening to know that these endings will only result to so much change before it repeats the opposing values of the world, becomes the absolute extremes of these ideals (Infernal and Blasted Tokyo), etc. It gives the White ending more context knowing that not only what you do in this game doesn’t matter, but also hurts more than it helps to the people of Tokyo and Mikado.
You’re not on a righteous path for people in the Law route: you’re blindly destroying innocent lives for sake of only resetting the inevitable cycle of doing so again and again to the next generation, as humans are born of evil nature.
You’re not freeing and changing the once shackled world of Mikado in the Chaos route: you’re coaching a dictator in his path to destroy and burn everything in its path to be the one to not guide the people, but only to challenge and and provide fear to them.
And Neutral, while the “good” ending in this game, is merely a hiatus of a situation that will just bud again.
This game is a tragedy, inside and out. I still cry when replaying and listening to the game and it’s soundtrack (such as “Messiah”, “King”, “Separation”, and “B3”. It’s why i understand faith more than every before, why I want to live my best life for my girlfriend and family, and to never show hatred to others.
In a game that only shows pain and suffering, it truly makes me want to do more than anything
It's kind of nice of Merkabah to actually go down with you, rather than being like "YOU have been brushed against Filth, and therefore, you need to die". He may be many things, but he is no backstabbing jerk.
To be honest I didn't expect I also have to kill myself at the end though Merkabah warned about that but to late.
I kinda expected a welcome party but since we're "tainted" from our travels to Tokyo, your banned from Mikado.
But in Flynn's mind, after all his friends died especially Isabeau who just admitted her feelings, he be like screw it, I'll tag along with them and hope to see them at Charon's desk. at least I brought peace... I think
At least he wont be alone unlike in Chaos. Gotta play it 2x again :P
+iskoconquers If you DID see the at Charon's Desk, here's how things will go, probably.
Flynn: "Hey, Isabeau! Walter! Jonathan!"
Isabeau: "YOU MONSTER!"
+Triple Fox
Flynn: Hey, World Peace.
Jonathan: Yeah. Worthy.
Kazuya Prota Yep. Eventually, though, there'd be the very awkward and very long wait for them to reincarnate (I think that's what happens).
He isn't really alone in Chaos, he has his bro Lucifer :*
Moses was banned from the chosen land, as he defended the actions of idolatry
.....Except it is a peace built on genocide, ignorance, angels killing anyone who may throw a wrench in their plans, being forced to absolutely worship an egomaniacal God or die, and a perpetual state of now where the world will never go through any growth or change.
"Peace" can be achieved without this level of extreme.
Venus Adeptisaac Devil Survivor Law ending is pretty much this, people decide to follow God by they own free will, and Abel convince the angels to not commit genocide.
seems i got to think twice to being a good guy.
Miles Edgeworth What about Neutral? That involves going against the extremists of both Law and Chaos.
+GoldSaint Luis Demons and Angels can revive themselves, though. Unlike humans, which when they die they die for good until they're reborn. Killing a demon is much more justifiable than killing a human, who is invested in their life and won't remember their past life when reborn.
besides, most of the killing you're talking about isn't exclusive to a neutral run. you kill the least amount of people in the neutral route since you resurrect the goddess as well as choose to not genocide an entire city of people.
the demons will keep coming out of the expanse, but they can be used to help better society. i remember some of the tokyo people before the neutral route ended in my playthrough said that they plan on keeping all the unfriendly demons out of tokyo until there aren't any left. points in the direction isabeau was going when she argued against merkabah saying that they can strive for what's best without going to monastic extremes.
but all of that will be figured out in SMT IV Final, which fixes a lot of the problems that the neutral ending left in SMT IV. Similar to how SMT 2 is a continuation of SMT 1's neutral route which still left them with problems.
As it turns out, Anarchy represents Lucifer and Peace represents Merkabah. And out of the 4 endings only 2 of them can really be called Neutral.
Nope,, this is one of the few SMT games where the neutral ending is overall superior,and all around good ending. If you paid attention to the game lore, and DLC, is revealed that the law ending is the most "evil". The Angels are responsible for every bad thing that happens in the game directly or indirectly because of God's plan, whose goal was to get rid of the original sin, which is human knowledge, how they plan to do this, is to kill everyone and start a new human race (which is Mikado). Also God's plan is not even God, the main angels have lost contact from the Great Will a long time ago, and they are just doing what they think is God's will
Law is the philosophy of the selfless and those who understand that we put laws into place to safeguard the general welfare. People seem to think that Law does not promote change or growth, but this is incorrect. A society without conflict or strife, a society of equality, is the best breeding ground for advancement. In Law, everyone is judged equally and fairly, and those who are found lacking must pay the price. But for those who follow the law and aid their community, peace and happiness are theirs to keep. Vastly preferable to the sad, hopeless life of Chaos, where people are constantly looking over their shoulders for fear of traitors or usurpers.
Neutral has always been the best route in my book.
Heck they always have the Neutral route to be the canon route in SMT series.
Not quite. Megaten operates on a multiverse; thus, every ending is canon. However, not every ending gets a continuation in the form of a game.
In SMT1, the Neutral ending leads to the events of SMT2 but the Law ending of that game leads to SMT: 20XX, more specifically the events that occurred in Valhalla before Aleph's birth.
Neutral is generally the best route to take since Law and Chaos taken to extreme is bad for humanity something that we as players who are humans relate so much with the Neutral route.
Ok weakling
Yuck and eww
@@JT-hk9urwtf happened in smt:20XX
"Hero"?
That depends on point of view.
Many people may just see the protagonist as a homicidal lunatic that killed millions of people because the angels said those millions aren't worth saving. :/
Heroes always depends on points of view, that´s why a "good guy" and a "bad guy" both can be heroes on their sides.
pretty sure to the people of mikado the main character is a hero for doing god's will. it really does depend on your point of view.
Most angels in the franchise are assholes to be honest
Cpt Sackboy the angels are under God, who is good by definition.
Every Villain is the Hero of his own story.
But seriously the Angels in this game SUCK!
Only in Law is knowledge considered the root of filth.
Bix No, the ABUSE of knowledge is filth.
Manuel Mateo Nope, knowledge and independent thought is considered filth that will inevitably lead you astray from God
@@waldenotwalled5783 No sense in knowledge or desire of knowledge if you are unhappy.
@@Palatinus-Z Unless said knowledge or desire for knowledge is your happiness. Dictating what happy is supposed to mean and that it takes precedence over all else? Sounds pretty lawful.
@@MajorLawliet I made a really large text, hope you don't mind, friend. Plus, forgive me any typo, english is not my main language.
I'm not claiming moral high ground based on human perspective on my point of view. Take fascism or some other form of dictatorship for exemple, awfully like the lawful world; it's just someone who thinks he knows what it's right, wrong, and what makes people happy, right? We both know that is a disaster, hence, chaos sound more human, free and logic based on what we experience from law (and I'm not arguing about what "law" is)
However, this view is down to it's knee before God himself. Take all the holy scriptures and look for heaven in it, people are always happy and...they aren't free to sin, because they don't want to, and why they don't want? Because they happy. You see, the jew and christian scriptures say the closest we are to God, the more happy we become, and by happy I mean fulfilled and delighted; however this also is a influence in our ways to take decisions, right? Why stop doing something if that makes you happy? And so...making someone artificially happy is right down brainwashing, that is the argument against law by chaos.
However, by PRAGMATIC point of view, you have the greatest intellectual on power (God, cuz he knows all, while most demons don't), he gives you pure bliss (which is the goal of ever human deed), no fault can be made, nor cruel act which isn't justifiable. Sure, you don't control your life, but would you need to control something only "because I want" and ruin the bliss of everyone by making stupid stuff? Sounds more selfish than law by now. You would make pain reappear because morality while morality never solved a sigle problem and morality breeds chaos (in this scenario) which then breeds imorality by demons?
Law solves the problem fairly easy.
Then you say:
"Well, Adam and Eve were happy and they seek knowledge"
Absolutely right. However, seek the paradise in the Christian laws. God HIMSELF is amongs us, when he wasn't on Eden, which solves the problem. Plus, the world supposedly exists for people to know how bad freedom is. Heck, even freedom to choose your destiny is bad when you don't know what to do. But to know that someone who sees ALL, even you, choose your destiny, you can't be anything beyond happy.
"But what about the Tokyo Millenium in SMT2?"
That wasn't God, it was a fake made by angels, and even then the workers who were laboring and being slaughtered and jailed were happy (I can't confirm that one), so I leave that question to you. Is it good or bad?
Now, about the most scary world in Strange Journey...
People are brainwashed by Zelenin and her song, and they are happy. It's canon, however, that some people weren't affected and were killed, which is a reference to Christian teachings of not rejecting the Holy Ghost, hence, not repenting or submitting out of sheer pride or incapability of recognizing misdeeds, which means you are forever lost. Also, in Christian terms, all elucidating thoughts and high culture comes from God via the Holy Ghost, reject that and you are a demon yourself. Can you reject the Holy Ghost without wanting to? I don't think so.
Zelenin power is not the power of God, it's the power of Satan (Mastemah). You see, in the Ethiopian church, Mastemah is a Angel, not just any Angel, he is a governor of the Angels of the Presence, Uriel. Uriel is called Jeremiel at some accounts, and Jeremiel is Ramiel, and Ramiel is a fallen angel, a watcher, group which joined Mastema, and together they are MastemaH. So Zelenin power comes from the boss of SATAN, her power is OP, but not absolute, hence, he can and certainly fail with strong minded people like Alex.
We all know God wasn't behind Mastema's plan, so this is a PHONY Law Path, God's Will isn't at work. But in lawful-neutral ALL abide by the song and became non-violent without fault, much because it wasn't a TOTAL mind control, it didn't gave happiness, it JUST removed violence and made people reasonable, a ending which I love.
Now, even in the most pessimistic scenario, 1% is unhappy and 99% happy.
Chaos or Neutral doesn't even get results.
Neutral lead to repetitive mistakes and alignment wars again, chaos just bring dictators which will try to make law by their own hands, but not law for the people, but to keep them from taking him down (just like the chaos that Mussolini, Hitler or Lenin used to rise up to power).
I see the lawful as a lesser evil overall, imoral, yes, but to God which can change concepts (based on the Conception from SMT III and Kagutsuchi changing concepts, and also Polaris from Devil Survivor) what morality even mean? For all we know, God can change it (because Amala turns all smt connected and every world in the hands of the Great Will, meaning that some divine power in some world can be replicated by God, since God is the Great Will "incarnation", and the Great Will is the source of all those tricks, to conception to the void in devil survivor).
So that's that. I was a chaotic myself, but Lawful makes way more sense and more people happy.
lucifer son of the morning, im gonna chase you out of earth
Except that the less fortunate will continue to be oppressed in MIkado, remember it wasn't the literature that turned the casualries into demons, it was the sheer rage at realizing there was an alternative to the caste system, and that they had been lied to for all of known time. Sure there were bad people in Tokyo, but there are lots of bad people in Mikado as well, neither side deserves what happens to them in the Chaos/Law endings.
ModelOmega cast system was supposedly abolished because it “ saddened the lord”
@@hdmonk5556 now everyone can be equally enslaved :D
@@sock312 Or rather, blissful ignorance to the means used to justify the ends
Yeah, I really liked Jonathan. He reminded me of myself. For example, when he decides to be a martyr and talks to the MC for the last time, he says things like "Every time humans and demons open their mouths, they talk only of themselves. Why cant people help one another? Are humans even worth salvation?". This resonated with me because I have asked such things. He acknowledged the flaw in humanity and realized that it is through God and Law(guidance and order), humans can live happily.
I am curious regarding how Mikado is ran after the Law ending though.
Apparently the angels eliminated the King and its former way of life to establish rule under the angels.
However I still feel bad for Tokyo. Especially since I loved Lilith, the Ring of Gaea, and what they believed in. I liked a lot of the Unclean Ones.
I don't know. In the Neutral Route, seeing the sun shine on Tokyo was so badass, I didn't even *need* an epilogue.
Then they came out with apocalypse, which is an entire entry worth of Epilogue for the neutral ending lol.
Actually Isabeau always wants to be with Flynn's path but that's only possible on Neutral. Walter and Johnathan are clear what they want and always end up as it in the end, Isabeau only gets what she wants if you go Neutral and much of the events in Neutral are Neutral exclusive while important events in Law/Chaos happen in all routes. Such as the war between Demons and Angels, Lucifier and Merkabah.
NO. NO. You are NOT allowed to make me feel emotional over a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER in this way!
"Thus was a world created where all that is evil is ousted. The peace that the people know today shall last forever. It is a world populated only with the innocent; the world God longed to see"-SMT IV Law ending
Plus the last quest for law in this game is called "Today's Peace Unto Eternity"
Just sayin
Lucifer's outfit looks strangely similar to a matador costume in this game !
A typical fantasy ending but at what cost? Both extremes are messed up.
The cost of a already fucked up city.
The based ending
Thank you for this, i can't find Law route playthrough and ending elsewhere
Neutral route is so far is looking to be the best route.
God, this always gives me hope
To me, Law gave me a sense of satisfaction than the other two, the other two endings made me feel "Is this really it?"
Maybe they showed what a glimpse of happened after the Law ending which gave me a feeling of closure, but the other two made me feel like there seems to be more to it.
Yeah, would have been better to see what happened later with the other two, specially the neutral ending.
@@fabianoyaga8610 isnt iva basically extended neutral ending
Ah yes. Lucifer. The left-handed beater.
Well, yeah, but you also see that outside the walls was filled with forest, made me think that there will be more to it.
Holy shinkies. 10 out of 10 for character design!
Well this one is really not that complex.
Basically, the main character kills all people in Tokyo with a black hole. This eliminated all people who God and the angels don't deem worthy. Thus, the people in the Kingdom of Mikado (where God's Chosen live) experience a new era of order where angels watch their every move.
Then they show the epilogue that is meant to make you think whether or not genocide against millions was "worth it".
It literally is if the peace will last forever. Forever=infinite amount of people happy while Tokyo has a finite number of people
demi lembias ...except the Axiom will create messiahs to fuck with that peace so no killing millions for temporary peace only for it to all be for nothing isn’t worth it
I saw the Ashura-Kai as a less cartoonishly evil version of Jack's Squad. As in the dark side of Neutral.
Why every LAW ending never seem to make any sense to me?
Actually it is left ambiguous whether or not the oppressive caste system remains in place.
The angels supposedly took rule into their own hands in the law route. Either the angels watch over Mikado directly or the caste system remains after the events of the game.
The angels already vanished since they were all fused into Merkabah who got swallowed by the YPR, and afaik, the caste system was being broken down after the angels took authority
I like the law ending the best. The best thing is when you completed the final mission, you get to die too. Mission accomplished, and I don't want any rewards. The worst part? It is the fact that you are remembered as hero. Like I said, finished the mission, and I don't want to be remembered.
So you killed every humans and demon on earth and erased the history of mankind and knowledge, so only the mikado church of crazy people are alive ? That's not a really good choice tbh
@@hanoi_revolver if that is what it takes to let God to start things on earth anew, I am going to do it. BTW: What is so good about the history and knowledge of mankind? History is just record of men killing and wrong doing men, why would you care about that? Would you be proud of your criminal records?
He did seem religious though, he would always say things like "Thank heavens" or "I prayed that you came". He also seemed to have reverence for the angels. Plus right before the Merkabah battle in the neutral path, he talks highly about God and his affection for us. But you are right, he did follow his heart a lot. He was kind hearted, honest, honourable and really just wanted the best for humanity. He wasn't some nutcase zealot. And yes, Amane is awesome too, much better than Noaya.
Incorrect Naoya is amazing
I want to do the endings but I have college in a few weeks, project DIVA for the PS3, Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies, and the Pokemon Gen 6. Anyway, Omega what is your magic stat!?
What is the definition of lesser for you then? There are no perfect beings, you're allways gonna be surpassed by someone, sooner or later.
unfortunately that's the truth to being human. No such thing as good or evil. Just perspectives
ya know, it is mentioned that the angels abolished the class system, everyone was equal, I remember that one casualry noted how it was less that everyone was a luxuror but that everyone was now a casualry. Make of that what you will.
Yes. You must defeat both bosses and go through each Dungeon. Walter/Lucifier and Johnathan/Merkabah also have much more to say on Neutral.
Walter always had his own reason and belief for doing what he did. The path you take has no bearing on what the others decide to do, it only affects the final result.
Walter will always let himself be eaten by Lucifer.
Jonathan will always do fusion dance with the Archangels.
Isabeau will always be like "man fuck both of you".
The only difference between the 3 paths is that the side you decide to take is the side that wins, and the other 2 paths' characters will be killed off.
Merkabah says that Flynn has to die too because he has been around the Unclean Ones too much.
Also, I don't think the chaotic ending is selfish. It was just Walter's dream of having a "might makes right" society where anyone who is strong enough to survive can make the world how they want.
Walter saw it as a better alternative to Mikado where the wealthy people will forever oppress and look down on the poor, and the poor can never make a better life for themselves.
2 different flavors of genocide.
HOORAY SMT
Neutral ending will make everyone feel much better for sure.
In this ending only Tokyo and its people (and the demons) are destroyed because God has condemned them. Mikado and its biased yet peaceful society are no longer threatened by the "unclean" people in Tokyo.
In the bad ending EVERYTHING dies.
5 PRESS TURNS!? ARE YOU GO-Oh that's right.
well in chaos the girl wants you to be a king so you can create a somewhat state of order.
Well, if you loved the chaos faction, play chaos. In RPG's, I typically side with whomever shares my real morals. Seeing as I am religious and definitely not a humanist or social darwinist, and I mantain order in my personal life, Law is perfect match for me.
Don't know about Lucifer, I really don't think you can fuse him. But you do can fuse the Archangels buying the DLC "Clipped Wings" and beating them. Trust me they will be a pain in the...
Pretty sure everyone went "Jesus Christ Walter! What the hell!?"
Goddamnit Merkabah.
So, was this a happy ending? Won't people who try to rebel and do "evil" things be punished? But these are the questions we must face ourselves.
I like how respectful Lucifer was, certainly more so than Merkabah.
I doubt the neutral ending will be as happy. And considering both of the other endings are bittersweet at best...
While not stated outright, the game hints that the caste system was abolished when the angel's took over. Gabriel openly says that the caste system saddened the Lord and that they were sent to make things right. Considering that the king and many of the Luxurers were punished or exiled, I would place my bet on the system being abolished.
I'm not sure. Either having biased caste society or having angels watch my every move sounds terrible. Law is not my cup of tea. Give me chaos or neutral.
Venus Adeptisaac Law is the philosophy of the selfless and those who understand that we put laws into place to safeguard the general welfare. People seem to think that Law does not promote change or growth, but this is incorrect. A society without conflict or strife, a society of equality, is the best breeding ground for advancement. In Law, everyone is judged equally and fairly, and those who are found lacking must pay the price. But for those who follow the law and aid their community, peace and happiness are theirs to keep. Vastly preferable to the sad, hopeless life of Chaos, where people are constantly looking over their shoulders for fear of traitors or usurpers.
But all that by sacrificing individual freedom and free thinking is just ridiculous. Neutral also offers the exact same thing but with individual freedom incluided.
And I agree, chaos is the worst.
Fabian Oyaga I love that there are people who think they know what law is given the world we live in
@@fabianoyaga8610 to be fair, SMT YHVH is mainly just the Old Testement, which is a real shame.
I mean, I get it. There wouldn't be NEARLY as much story nuance if they did borrow from the theological concepts from the New Testement. New Testement YHVH is meant to more or less implied to have planned out the fall of man from paradise so that people can come to follow him of their own free will through Jesus, which is basically neutral route to a degree.
So yeah, I think people give law too much shit. Life can be absolutely fucking terrible for people who's lives have never known order.
Poor walter , he was sorry at the end :s
Vikner I didn't play the game yet, so what happened to him?
pizza - sama Look at Lucifers arm.
i was trying to go chaos in my first walktrough.... i got law, oh well!
Well, its caste system means that most of the people will be eternally part of the labor force, and nothing will ever change there. How is a world that has become truly stagnant different from death?
To the actual good ending
Neutral ending is full on happy and optimistic.
No matter what ending you choose, Walter will always fuse with Hikaru to become Lucifer's fully unlocked form.
Same goes for Jonathan and his side.
Or at least most of the Law characters (I loved Amane in Devil Survivor too).
Now that you mention it the endings in both games are very similar
Yep, couldn't do Law in this game. Merkabah is way too annoying for me.
I'd rather not let the hero die.
Ummm..... I am all for equality and all but I am also a firm believer that anyone who proves themselves stronger, smarter, or more capable than someone else deserves to be above lesser people.
Why does the law and chaos ending remind me of infamous 2
ikr and i'm a infamous fan and it took me a second to notice this
Very bittersweet. I think I liked Lucifer's idea of a new world more. After all, a world where only the innocent live peacefully is nice to think about, but it's a fantasy that can never happen.
Yeah, exactly what I thought. I had a feeling this would happen like this and won't be as bad since I paid a bit too much attention to the path's story. But this is just as good as (very minor spoiler) Devil Survivor's. Not that bad at all compared to the feelings of the other law endings from the other game.s
I got stuck in the loosely defined Tokyo and I couldn't find anything to do or that I could actually complete without being able to reach a area I couldn't reach. Did anybody else have this issue with the game?
Which is why there should still be enough chaos in any society for there to still be competition and risks so people will always want better. Keeping Mikado in absolute peace (with there being no indication of the caste system being abolished) will never allow the stronger and more hardworking people (luxuror or casualrie) to become the true leaders in society. Leaders should not be chosen based on birth right like in Mikado.
Still a great ending for what it is though.
I believe that they're thinking WAY too much when viewing the negatives of this ending, which will only bring up more negatives that most likely never existed in the first place. Usually Law has endings that make you feel very guilty, but this not that much, but based on the pattern of the series I think they force themselves to think this is overall very bad. Neutral and Chaos, while having positive results as well, have more negative things about them, and they are pretty obvious to see.
Finally, someone who gets it. Here's basically the difference between endings. Law: Only Tokyo gets screwed while Mikado lives in peace. Neutral: Both get screwed by having to live with eachother. Chaos: Mikado gets really screwed while Tokyo gets swarmed with demons who eat people.
Atleast in Law, somebody wins.
Devil Survivor Series disagrees. They have much better Law endings.
You also are screwed over in this Law ending, you don't get a choice. After killing the final boss the button is pressed whether you consent or not.
That sacrifice was beautiful, truly heroic... But I couldn´t go law...
All 3 of them end up dying in any route that isn't Neutral, and in that case only Isabeau survives.
Because you were judged as unclean for going to the Underground as you dealt with what is seen by the angels as Filth. Regardless Neutral is better than both extremes anyway and is much longer. Masakado also trolls Demons/Angels quite a bit.
God I hated this ending.....gonna try and get the neutral now.
How much HP did Lucifer have anyways? None of my demons even got close to dying against him before the fight was over. At least Merkabah killed one of my demons...
Ah yes I loved that quote. Despite siding with God, he still finds the wrong of what literally everyone is doing, even God and even himself. Yet no matter what he wants the conflicts to end and the world to change hopefully for the better, yet the only choice he had in doing so is to side with God. He didn't take all of God's orders without question. He was very surprised in the thought of destroying Tokyo. All of this is very unlike the other law characters and I like him a lot because of it.
SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI 4
WHERE READING IS POISONOUS FOR YOU
LUCIFER IS A HIGH SCHOOL GIRL
CITIES ARE BAD
AND BEING ATHEIST IS GOOD
Meanwhile the church is trashing pokemon
Yes, I noticed those signs too. But like you said, he wasn't some mindless follower. He acted, or mostly acted, like a normal human in the game, who wanted the best for everyone, like Isabeau, but in a different way of course. He's a fair and cool guy in my book, like Amane, who wanted the best for everyone as well. lol I think you and I will get along nicely.
And kids, take Lucifer as a example, never fap to much, or your arm will be like him.
I believe that this is correct.
I am also pretty sure that the angels said that they are working towards killing all of the peasants that have read Lilith's books or are still trying to read them so no more people would become demons.
I would honestly be afraid of taking one misstep if the angels themselves were watching my every move, however I suppose that is the nature of the Law ending.
SO is it true that if you take the Neutral Path, you have to beat both Lucifer and Merkabah to beat the game? Like the first SMT game?
I usually do multiple runs of MegaTen games to get all of the endings, not just the chaotic ones. However in one Atlus game, Catherine, I only did chaos and neutral.
I wouldn't say I'm a social Darwinist, however I do find a world where the strong and smart are the ones who survive and rule interesting (Like Yamato's ending in Devil Survivor 2 and Chiaki's Reason in SMT 3). >_<
I even saw the Ring of Gaea as the "good guys' compared to the Ashura-Kai.
I mean the ring of gaea don’t really do anything that bad while the Ashura Kai are like running human farms and shit
I’m not that into law personally but I thought this ending was interesting, I don’t despise it like the strange journey law ending