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They did say at the beginning of the edition that they wanted to dataslates only twice a year
It honestly astounds me how many people I see who seem taken aback by that. Like yeah, it sucks to have to wait for changes when you feel down, but this was something GW was pretty clear about from the getgo. I can understand not being happy about but, but people expecting more changes baffle me.
Got to expect a certain level of bias from content creators who are going to want big exciting changes to talk about, and a steady the ship minor changes to make sure not to break anything update like this is the antithesis of that
Stop apologizing for GW, the multibullion dollar company doesn't need you to defend them. They are being lazy and doing the bare minimum. Just because they told you that up front doesn't mean it's acceptable. I am not a content creator and I am also unhappy with tbe rate at which the rules change when its obvious certain factions need adjustments.
@Leviathan1494 I'm not defending GW, and it does suck when rules need to be changed. I have armies that are unplayable. I was just making the point they did state this was their intention, and unlike previous dataslates, they were clear in their warhammer community articles that there were not going to be rules changes.
@@1234jesuismoi that's understandable, but nothing changes if the community doesn't voice their displeasure with the state of things. We have to keep pushing them to do better. If nobody complains then they won't know.
"It's almost worse than being bad: It's boring." -Custodes Codex moment
damn that's a good one.
Agreed, I hear a lot of people saying Custodes will be fine. Competitively I’m sure we’ll be able to find ways to win but there’s an underlying problem with the codex…it’s 4 detachments. And they’re almost all very uninspired feeling. If this is the total variety we can expect for Custodes for the rest of 10e that’s just boring. Power can be adjusted with numbers tweaks and points, but interesting rules takes effort
I guess Talons is ok if not a little annoying in the amount of hoops it requires
@@justinc246 yeah I'm not mad cuz it's "bad", I'm disappointed that it feels like I'm playing the same thing. Necrons got their codex and I had a field day teleporting around one game, then going all in on destroyers the next game, etc.
Meanwhile the Custodes codex is... boring. 2 of the detachment are functionally useless, and the other 2 will play almost identically to the index.
@@drakebaker2769 very true. They already copy and pasted our crusade rules from 9e, if they did the same for the regular rules, it'd be so much more fun
@@drakebaker2769dont forget admech have 2 viable datasheets after 3 rounds of point decreases and a rule buff.
Ngl, I’m not even a Warhammer guy but I always listen to these because I love hearing Bricky talk about Warhammer
We like to see the passion
That's how it starts. Run while you can! RUN
That's gay as fuck and I approve
Tbh he’s the reason I got into WH
I swear to the Omnissiah, if the Dataslate comes out in 3 months and the Ad Mech rule change is just ‘Doctrina Imperatives now applies to the entire army now’ I AM GONNA FUCKING LOSE IT
mate, i dont think its even gonna be that
What if they also increased ballistic skill army wide by 1?
@@paranelmanterlyzastratatum885the army would feel better, but still would solve nothing
It is so sad that it doesn't fix the issue for Admech
Tbh I don’t even know what admech are supposed to be anymore.
GW to Ad Mech Players: We know your army is completely fucked and that last time we specifically said we needed to wait for more data but how about instead of solving anything you pay us some more money for some additional boxes of models you know you won't be able to use in 3 months because we've already said the goal is to get the points back up and make the army stronger individually.
anyone who believes that admech points will go up by more then like 5% is huffing the copium
GW have shown repeatedly they have no idea what they are doing with the faction, and dont care anyway
Yeah, a big problem with them is that, well... They're just basically normal(ish) humans. And with so much of their shit being Skitarii, of course they're gonna be a horde. They're basically Guard but without the tanks. They need more Robot options. Give them Mecha Godzilla, give them the Grey Knight Baby Carrier, but a little smaller. Hell, give them a Flier that's just a swarm of Lasgun equipped Servo Skulls. Something that isn't more Skitarii.
GW: buy more admech dummies. dummies: okay.
@@MrShukaku1991 Swarms of Servo Skulls would be _so cool._ I'm honestly disappointed that isn't already a thing. Heck, give multiple build options: one with guns of some kind, and one with buzz saws or whatever. So they're either a shooty option or a melee option.
@@MrShukaku1991Wrong, they’re heavily augmented semi-elite infantry, not “basically normal humans”. They should be equivalents to something like Sisters of Battle, not fucking guardsmen.
"Who needs Bulgrin when you have mechanical girth."
I beg you, Bricky, put that on a shirt!
Agreed.
I think it was the Poorhammer Podcast (though correct me if wrong) that said "GW are a half a billion dollar company still acting like they're a mom and pop shop" and honestly this kinda behaviour proves it
Then you look at their social media and other behaviour only a greedy corporate board could be capable of over the past 5 years and remember they really are a half a billion dollar company obsessed with greed.
“GSC is a bizarre army played by bizarre individuals” I will wear that with pride 🫡
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When I saw that an APC with a flame thrower strapped to it has a better save than my 400pt knight abominant, I died a little inside.
Note that the hellhound isn't a transport despite being on a chimera frame because all the transport space is filled with flamer fuel tanks. Very safe and tough, don't worry about it
Ah yes because a model’s value is only based on its save lol
Ignore the fact that the knight abominant has a 5++ and literally double the wounds, also an entirely different Toughness bracket
@@Desm0708 yeah but like- you can have three hell hounds for one knight abominate which gives you a crap ton more board pressure, with 33 wounds spread between them so your enemy either has to split their attention or use alot to focus one down entirely. and if you have all three of them just decide to blast one group of guys that 3 d6 heavy flamer 6 d6 inferno, strength 5 and 6, which is more than enough to get through most chaff just through sheer volume of fire. so they can go in, contest every middle objective, and one might get shot off the board but then that means their anti vehicles shot at the inferno and not the several million leman russ's the imp guard typically fields
@@Desm0708 Making this argument as if the Abominant isn't the most ass-garbage knight in the entire game is hilarious.
@sadpotatohours4846 wardog spam is still flavour of the month. I don't think comparing the two is necessarily fair considering hellhounds are used as a supporting element and more than half the time are used to just strip cover from enemies with their special rule.
I think we're just seeing a fundamental problem of a super-heavy focused faction. Another thing to mention is that there are quite a lot of models this edition with a 2+ save.
The small thing that the point changes are not specifically listed for 40k but are for the AoS changes really shows the difference in how the two games are run
IIRC at the start of the edition GW said they were going to do these point adjustments 4 times a year and rules adjustments every other time. Problem is that Eldar and Devastating Wounds spam was so terrible at the start that they had to do out-of-schedule rules changes in September.
Which proves that they can do rules changes off schedule if they want to. There's no real reason for them not to other than "We said so"
@@Leviathan1494bit of a difference between a few minor adjustments to couple of rules which is really what that first dataslate was and the full rewrite that admech needs. They’re going to bi-quarterly dataslates. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you’ll be happier.
@jwebcoding7289 "Just accept poor treatment and you'll be happier!"
You gotta be kidding me with a take like that. There is no reason they can't or shouldn't do better.
@@JS-ry2xr thank you! The amount of people defending GW being lazy is astonishing.
@@JS-ry2xr I never said to “accept poor treatment.” I said to be patient. Everyone knows that GW dropped the ball with the codex including GW themselves. They will release fixes when they release them.
35:00 WAAAGH! WE ARE HERE FOR A GOOD KRUMPING
Here se go! Here se go! Here se go!
Other factions: It's so over
Orks: WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK!
@@UncleAsmos2005 orks had to be bad in the 1st place to be back
Imo 9th and 10th have been nothing but wins for the boys. Not too strong, but not too weak, and lots of silly
We is gonna stomp da universe flat and kill anyfink that fights back. we're da Orks, and was made ta fight and win.
"Sorry T'au." I'll take that as a win.
Side note, seeing anything that has Anti-Fly, or extra rules against Fly scares my little T'au heart, with just the sheer amount of Fly we got.
That and anti-vehicle. Crisis suits are fragile enough tyvm. Time to get gud at movement I guess.
I've been contemplating running the Dunecrawler with the Anti-fly weapon specifically to screw with my brother's Tau.
@@sheenus2194 Definitely! Especially with the crisis changes in the codex.
Considering how cheap they are compared to most vehicle centric army, they'll be alright
In 3 months Bricky is going to say: Sorry AdMech you have to wait another 6 months.
As someone who just got into 40k collected a bondsman based knight army and deathwatch I’ve lost all will to paint them anymore
Ouch. Rip man, I'm sorry.
Just know plastic is forever, rules change.
Sorry, I experienced the same thing with Admech last edition and they have never recovered. 😊
I mean, the cool models will still exist irrespective of whatever rules gw pumps out. Who knows what the balance dataslate will be like when it comes next.
As the guys over on poorhammer have always said (echoing the sentiments of many other content creators): Buy the models that you like, because rules can be changed. I understand it sucks right now, but you will have your time in the sun.
I've got 5 big chaos knights sitting in a cabinet. i tried for so long to get big knight lists to work but everyone i play is like "oh well i heard you had chaos knights so i just brough 5 tanks"
Going all war dogs for my next game :(its been nothing but war dogs for ages now. I miss the first few weeks of 10th where our points costs were amazing, we had well balanced armies. All been going downhill since then.
@@eo8240 Yeah, even as someone who plays regular knights, it's miserable. I just don't tell people what I am playing unless it's a tourney setting If people wanna be loser's and try and counter. They can guess and when I don't bring my salamanders and a knight gallant with deep strike is kicking their teeth in after they tried to list counter. it's a good feeling.
what admech need are
1. Doctrina Imperatives needs to buff melee
2. several units need more AP and damage in their weapon profiles
3. Cohort Cybernetica needs to be entirely rewritten
4. most units need to go up in points so we aren't forced to play hoardmech (notable exemptions are Caul and robots)
5. go back to being a BS 3+ army
Cohort cybernetica should have both cohort cybernetica and cult mechanicus. If they arent willing to make more models for these ranges they should at least combine them for more interaction. Honestly dividing the faction even more just hasnt been working unless they want to completely rewrite the whole codex from the ground up. Datasheets should be threatening and impactful. Units should feel dangerous and effective in a "wargame" and not useless chaff placeholders.
Bricky is right about Phoenix Lords and Aspect Warriors being the coolest part of eldar. I too love Kharandras and the Scorpions.
If only Kharandras actually gave his Scorpions a buff instead of just himself and if only the Scorpions had AN ACTUAL FUCKING ABILITY THAT WASNT TIED TO THEIR WARGEAR.
Also the “Stealthiest aspect” doesn’t have Stealth. Because fuck you.
I have three armies. Deathwatch, Adeptus Mechanicus, and Imperial Knights. Boy is it a fun time to paint models and nothing else.
as a deathwatch player, this hurt a lot...
imma just collect and paint lmao
Maybe Deathwatch will be absorbed into an Agents of the Imperium book.
@Sanctjud I really hope not after seeing how harlequins. If they did, I guarantee that they would get no, rules, be allies only and would only ever be used as backfield holders. Same goes for grey knights.
they have the same problem codex compliant do. We can't be given good buffs across most units because then the super strong ones like BT steal the buffs and make things even more unbalanced. It sucks
I'll fill in for the numbers for the custodes:
Trajann went down by 10
Blade Champion went down 10
Aleyz went down 5
Valerian went down by 5
Venerable Contemptor Dreadnought went down 15
The reason why everything is green is because the "most recent" points were those in the codex.
They didnt even actually go down, they just went back to what they were. It was a net 0 point gain
Not directly Custodes but Kyria snd Calidus Assassin went up, which I don't fully get and seems petty.
Kinda like GW went:
Hm, how can we even more fuck up one of the most liked army in the game, besides no new models or FW models transferred to plastic and hitting them with the absolute most shit codex we probably ever released, hm, oh yeah increase the points of the two none Custodes units they picked.
@@sirkelendor5429 Everything else did. All the units I listed are actually down from their January Dataslate points. Trajann in 150, blade champ is 110, Aleya is 75, Valerian is 110, and the contemptor is 170
considering they are just weaker as a faction probably should have dropped a lot more
I personally approach Warhammer more as narrative games/hobby projects, rather than a kind of e-sport(tabletop-sport?), but I still love listening to people like Bricky and HonestWargamer talking about the updates. Same vibe as watching someone like Flats go through Overwatch patches, even when I don't play that game anymore.
I wish GW would be more willing to update unit dataslates. Ad Mech just...should be more interesting/powerful from their base units up, they have all the funky guns!
Maybe do that suppression effect on their rad weapons?
Cause when they change unit dataslates, they would admit, that they fucked up. And their balls are simply to small for that.
for the custodes codex most of those are the same prices from the index, they were going to be made more expensive in the codex so they got "buffed" to where they were pre codex
except theyre way worse without dev wounds protection
@@Khobaithe codex was finalized before the change that made dev wounds and mortal wounds one in the same which would have made talons a lot more used as balance wise having to take a unit to give your custodes only a 5+ fnp in general is better than getting a 4+ fnp against dev would you get for free
@@Khobai Custodes can deal with it like everybody else.
@@xdude228 no they really cant theyre one of the worst armies right now
@@karlwes6273 this is why GW shouldnt be releasing physical codices anymore. they should be online codices only.
They did say right at the start of the edition that the data slate would be only 2 times a year. Remember that most of the player base is casual and having rules changes every 3 months would be bad for the majority of the them. Yeah competitive surffers a bit but making everything about competitive play is bad in the long run. I see a lot of people that just want to play their 1 or 2 games a month and don't want to relearn their army every 6 games.
Okay, but there are still changes every 3 months they are just annoying pts changes that invalidate your list and make you either need to remove stuff and have models sit on the shelf or buy more models to make up the 2k again.
I've said this for the entirety of 10th using pts to balance a game as expensive as 40k doesn't work when you do it every 3 months, too often do I have a list about to buy it and bang not playable anymore. I've been trying to buy a guard army since October time last year at this point
Compared to having to buy more models and/or completely rework your builds because you're under/over the points limit?
@@arn1345 set your own limit with your opponent and talk it out, it's not difficult. You don't have to have a hard line on a round number for the points limit
@@ramsayferguson528 Eh as a casual player myself, I find that points changes are a lot easier to handle. But that might also be because I enjoy the list-building aspect of the game, so I don't mind having yet another reason to edit and tweak my list. (Edit): I also have ~2500 points worth of Tyranids, so I have options whenever the points change.
That would work if GW wrote comparable rules, but as it has been going they have dropped the ball and failed to correct their mistakes going for half a year now. They need to correct obvious mistakes and take ownership of failures.
'Zerkers are less than 20 frickin points per model now, WOOO
The fact that they charge so much for codices and the core rule book each edition just for them to release garbage and nonsensical rules most of the time, and then also let so many of these poorly supported and poorly written datasheets and factions languish for months or even years before fixing them (if they ever do) is so fucking stupid. I'm just going to wait for them to release on "TOTALLY LEGIT AND LEGAL SITES."
Plus the sell a 4 detachment just over 100 page codex like Tau or Custodes for the same price as space marines, csm, tyranids, and others.
The freaking Dark Angels supplement is barely behind some of the codexes in page count and is almost half price.
@@HadrosaurHero Poorhammer said I think, GW just needs to drop the rules from the codex. If all you want is rules, you're basically "required" to buy this book that cotains 9 pages for $60. A codex should be fluff/art/painting guides at this point. Physically printing rules imposes limitations on how quickly they can balance things without the bean-counters & MBA's getting mad over lost potential profits.
The rules changes only being twice a year is in response to previous complaints that you would buy the codex and have it basically invalid a month later due to rule changes. Especially with the Data cards, they wanted to assure people that the investment would stay relevant and accurate so they promised to not change the rules at all so that the cards would always be correct. Obviously they couldn't hold to that 100% since they decided not to playtest things to get codexs out as soon as possible (itself also a response to previous complaints) but they appear to be trying.
Now you buy a codex and its invalid the day you bought it.
@@MaddPhish only the points, but thats always to be expected, and arent even printed on the datacards
I mean, at least deathwing knights are a bit more reasonable to field now. Im sad that my other 2 armies got literally nothing despite needing changes.
Deathwatch? I'm on that boat😭
Can only do two dataslates becuz everyone complained there were too many changes in 9th and the start of 10th. People having to learn anything is the scariest thing for too many people.
So you're telling me people complaining in 9th directly led to 10th sucking donkey balls? Say it ain't so...
The armies that suck or are unfun would not complain about rules changes
18:37 it's because the death company squads get 10 models with power fists and hand flamers, with full hit rerolls, and a 6+fnp, with the jump pack ones having deep strike and 12. Give them a chaplain and you're looking at 40 str10 power fist attacks with +1 to wound. That just obliterates most units in the game, including knights. With lemartes, they take 1 less damage from everything and he gives their melee lethal hits. They're still going to be taken.
If you need help figuring out why a 30 point increase to the C'tan isn't enough, just ask yourself if your army has any unit that costs sub-300 points and has an invulnerable save and effectively 32 wounds (12 wounds, 5+ FNP adds up to an extra 30% wounds, halve all damage doubles effective wounds). They are tankier than most, if not all, heretic primarchs and do more or similar damage on average. And the Nightbringer can deal theoretically infinite mortal wounds per turn. Wild
23:30. I've been running this alot in my lists, 10 legionaries with a Master of executions. The master can both rerolls to hit and wound depending on the current strength of the target, then legionaries always provide the rerolls to wound. Slap mark of Slaanesh for +5 sustained crits in melee. And also get full access to the Slaanesh strat for advance shoot and charge, they can just become chosen when you need them to. They can do work.
flayed ones cost going down actually makes them pretty interesting for forward screening. Just having a bunch of them gunk up the enemies movement to slow them down in the early game can really help necrons get a good lead and positioning. This could buy you invaluable time against melee heavy armies just to keep some of their units occupied rather than running across the board. Plus for their points they can actually blend a lot of stuff pretty well now, with even a heavily reduced flayed ones squad being enough to finish off a lot of stuff that are below half with potential to punch up.
I think them and deathmarks might see a more play now that both are actually cheaper than immortals.
32:20
The main issue with this (for 10th at least) is the way the rules are currently written, you don't attach leaders to units until the "declare transports/reserves" step of game setup, it doesn't happen *in* list building, so they'd have to change the ways the rules are to make this work
My deathwatch have been decorating a shelf for the last edition and a half. Rip the Ghosts of Ullanor
Games Workshop: Ever since the first Orks were created, there have never been Forgeworld Orks.
I love the lore and painting minis. Ive never played the table top but man bricky just makes me wanna learn
Scion sales must have been low, and Kasrkin must be almost out of stock. I kinda feel that's how some of these points adjustments are calculated, not all but definitely some.
its also cause kasrkin were busted
I feel bad for everyone who is out here struggling with their points changes, but a small win for us K-Sons boiz is we finally got SOTs dropped to 200 flat! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
"Mechanical Girth" is my new band name
Bricky: GSC is such a bizzare army played by bizarre individuals.
Me, building my 47th Neophyte of the day: Hell yeah brother!
The Skorpekh buff was uneeded... After their change to Whirling Onslaught (which nobody seemed to notice) they have been really effective in Awakened Dynasty. With 6 of them you get 24 attacks hitting on 2's( while being led by a skorpekh lord) youre also re-rolling everything after a charge and 1's in general, you have a stupid high amount of wounds going through, and just for fun you get dev wounds twice a game. These are all also str 7 ap -2 damage 2 attacks as well, which can be buffed to ap -3 str 8 with protocol of the hungry void strat. I did 26 damage to a Dreadnought before my skorpekh lord even attacked... I dont know if they'll be competitive but they can vomit up an insane amount of wounds and attacks
You are making me want to get a 4th army lol. I like the look of some of the Crons, but just got scared off with some of the Immortal Nerfs with Canoptek Court.
@@Kingofdragons117 Go for it man! Tbh I only have a few games under my belt with Necrons but they've been super fun so far! And a blast to paint cuz theyre easy af hahaha. Also the Immortal plasmancer combo is still awesome even with out dev wounds on Immortals. Gauss Blasters are no joke!
Guard just needs a detachment that isn't themed around the weapons they are trying to make unusable.
Bricky. Lucius is leaving the codex in like 3 weeks. Probably not a good idea to build him and paint him up right now when he's going to be gone by the time you put him on table.
Oh this seems fairly alright I wonder what the Orks are get- THAT'S A LOT OF GREEN
I like the idea where leading different units adds or subtracts points.
Personally I've always felt a good way to make detachments feel different would be to make them discount their core units.
As someone who runs a vehicle list in gsc I see this as an absolute win
I played my very first game of 40k (Combat Patrol) last week with a master of possession leading a squad of possessed, and a squad of chaos legionaries backed up by a defiler.
Needless to say, the change in points makes me a very happy chaos lord.
Indie game maker James workshop is clearly doing his best
as someone with 6k points of old marines, im ecstatic about tactical change, they are almost not garbage now!
I picked up a stormraven just the other day for a new strat i plan on running, (it may or may not involve dropping a brutalis and 6 assault terminators in my opponents backline) and seeing it go up 20 points kinda blows
But the Brutalis and assault terminators went down, so they cancel out?
@@Kingofdragons117 they did, i actually ended up down 10-15 points overall, the strat lives on
Things are looking up for Chaos again. But yeah this is a lot of "LOOK BUSY! THE BOSS IS COMING!"
“WHAT!? you guys are sick of eating vanilla ice cream every day and every night?!”
One of the simplest changes they could make for the Toxicrene to make it potentially see play at all is simply add the Harvester keyword to it... Which it should probably have had from day 1 in the first place. It'd still probably fall behind the Haruspex, but at least it'd give the Toxicrene a home in the Assimilation Swarm.
"FREE SHIPPING" are the exact words I neede---OMG Bricky's been possessed by Slaanesh!
As a Deathwatch player, I cannot understate how much I appreciate hearing someone - who doesn't even play the faction - get angry about our lack of support.
Castellan Crowe is nuts, combine him with a 10 man purifier, your putting down on avg with 4 flamers, 68 shots. That can be deep strike and then plunked off board before enemy can shoot back
As someone starting out and choosing world eaters as my first army I've had a dumb smile on my face since learning how many beserkers I squeeze into a list now
dude im literally been running this its too much fun
I do a two chimera and a ten man squad and support it with a lemon russy
Fun next video, "How bricky would balance the game"
"My disappointment is measurable and my day is slightly worse." - bricky
Fun fact: Guard won a few tournaments but their overall win rate at the time of this dropping was 47%, meaning they only got nerfed cause of the tourney wins,while other armies like DW at 42% wr got nothing
I am VERY happy with csm because most of my army is the stuff that got cheaper.
i mean i main genestealers cults in 9th cuz i really enjoyed the crossfire mechanic and i had to do a ton of thinking around it now in tenth at the start of the edition i had endless batteline units now i maby at most get 1 to 3 respounds a game IF im lucky cuz my oppinots just wont finish off a battleline unit in turn 1 or 2 they'll leave them at like 5ish models and they dont do much even with the icon making 3 to 6 stand up depending on if your standing on a objective
Its really frustrating because i feel GW nerfed the battleline respawn before players had worked out how to counter it. After they nerfed it everyone kind of understood how to deal with the blips and its made the whole thing redundant. Like it should be a mad scramble for your opponent to priorities which blip to go for while you throw wave after wave at them trying to draw them off objectives.
Boy I love grot tanks, I hope gw doesn't remove them from the game! 😶
There is another option, the people handling the balancing have no communications with the people making the codexes, and they had to scrap what they were doing and rush point changes out because of that.
Considering the difference in quality between the codexes and them being out-of-date on release, its not an impossibility.
If I hadn’t replaced my eyes with mechanical scanners for the machine god then I’d be crying
I am fine with Eldar, as I run a Footdar army for the most part.
the chaos knight Abominant doesn't need to go down in points it needs a new set of stats. I brought one to a local tournament and in the whole tournament it did 0 damage in shooting and only killed a pair of scout sentinels in melee
But gw will never do that. That way they would admit, that they are stupid
Yeah only use if found with it is getting into a big chunk of enemies to deal psychic mortals and hopefully set off some battleshock. Had a great game where it wounded about 5 vehicles in a turn where i had bring it down and managed to take them all out with my other knights. but thats the only instance in about 5 or 6 games of 10th where ive run it
I bought the abominant and dog box when it came out in 9th... havent built it yet.. no reason to. In the mean time ive built a mageara, a despoiler and a desecrator... havent seen much use either though lol
@@lassemelson5668 that's where mine is from. Built it because it's fun to build the big models and looks epic even if the rules for it aren't great. Also could get it to like 18 attacks hitting on 2+ with re rolling 1s in 9th which was very funny
I played 10 legionaries with exalted champion enhanced with liber hereticus and it slapped pretty hard in my game against orks ngl
19:21 Deamons got it all tinyurl slash proofnntch
I get Bricky dataslate content on Brickey Ep 2 and The Poorhammer Podcast?!? THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE!!!
I don't think Wardens, Custodes Land raider, and shield captain are unchanged from the index.
I need a bricky breakdown of the new 'Stodes codex.
I mean I expected nothing and then over half my ork army became legends.
I’m sorry is goonhammer not a website about gooning to hammers?
When I'm in neglecting competition and my opponent is james twerkshop
As some one who got the codex just recently can confirm that the points went down the points were sky high originally
I live for the bricky/poorhammer crossover events. They fuel my soul like nothing else
Honestly the fact ICC for dark angels were more than bladeguard for a unit that is a worse bladeguard was insane. Glad they are the same pts now
Slap Azrael on them and you'll never notice a difference.
I cannot express the degree of satisfaction I felt, seeing someone I respect show the same level of frustration at the lack of action by GW in regards to the admech situation
(Obviously biased myself, give me your toaster)
Thank you Sir Brick, the most based blessings of the omnissiah to you.
Nids got some needed anti-tank, but it is a bit of a lazy drop.
Eh I'm not sure I would call Zoeys an effective anti-tank weapon. They can punch into tanks better than most other Nidz, but even at their lower points they are still pretty unreliable compared to the Exocrine and Malaceptor. I love them personally, but the few chances I have had to put them on the table this edition didn't result in them doing much damage.
I said it when they announced the 2 dataslates a year thing and ill say it now. The time between point updates already feels slightly to long for (more or less) small changes. They really need to come out with dataslates at least 4 times a year
As a fledgling Ad Mech player since around October of last year, much like you said, competitive lists might've gone down 10 points with the Rangers and that's about it (which is why I don't think GW really hordified Ad Mech further with this MFM, since competitive lists only went down 10 points on average if at all and the casual units that got buffed were so terrible that it doesn't really translate to horde)
Casually however I'd like to weigh in.
1. Cawl is still bad at 150pts, but he sucks slightly less so that's fine. Maybe the reroll 1s to hit aura will be ok at 150 casually (The cover aura is worthless since there are so many things that ignore cover). Prolly gonna stay on the shelf until the July Dataslate
2. Kastelan Robots... I love these bois. IMO they actually have some decent teeth in Rad Zone with Shooty Robots with the Sustained Hits 1 enhancement + Lethal Hits strat. I'm getting a few more boxes of them because I love them (and wanna do a couple kitbashes with them) and I want to see what a fully committed cohort cybernetica list could look like with 12 robots. The points reduction of 10pts per model is nice, but it could've gone down 20pts per model and still prolly have been a bit weak. Still gonna run them though in many lists for my games.
3. Kataphron Destroyers. When I started out playing, I really liked them. They seemed to have a really nice overwatch threat on 5s and with flamers. But then I realized how powerful Breacher blocks with rerolls were and I started noticing datasheet inconsistencies like the Heavy Grav Cannon being weaker than the regular Grav Gun on the space marines and I realized how bad they were. Going down to 35pts per model is not enough of course, but maybe in 3 man squads in Data Psalm Conclave they could be useable. I'd like to test that out.
4. Dunecrawler points reduction is welcome. It's been in my lists for a while comboing with the Enginseer for a 2+ 4++ 5+++, so that change is welcome. Competitively it will never see use because of how good and efficient chickens are but oh well.
5. Ruststalkers is an interesting one. They're AWFUL datasheets, like who printed this kind of datasheets (they should hit on 3s like Fulgurite Electro-Priests). 60 points puts them in an interesting spot in terms of being cheap action monkeys, their direct competition being Corpuscarii Electro Priests (same points, Ruststalkers have more speed, toughness, wounds, and stealth but no FNP), Serberys Raiders (same points and more bodies than doggos but doggos move faster and get a reaction move), or Pteraxii (Ruststalkers are now 5pts cheaper but are slower and don't fly for same defensive profile but with stealth).
6. Rangers should've been the same points as Vanguard to begin with. Rangers I could definitely see being picked more now because of their scout move. Maybe I should run a meme list of 80 skitarii now. Might be funny. Movement phase would be hell tho haha.
7. Skorpius Disintegrator I have no opinions on as I've never run that unit in any list yet. Mostly because I'd rather run a Dunecrawler. Kind of a shame.
8. Stilt boi I didn't have until this morning. I've heard having a lone op is good, so maybe in a list or two this one.
I would say if anything ad mech went up in points as they had to lean on allies like Draxus to cover the lack of damage in the codex. I think even from a casual look the army just lacks teeth and that is very unfun in a wargame.
@Arkrouyle valid. I forgot about allies tbh.
My most recent list went down 50 pts which was nice but 40 of those are robots.
I think people are sleeping on how good the kson cultists for 55 is. They may not give you cabal points but they do give you command points
Heh, I just got some Ad Mech not too long ago so I'm just gonna have fun painting them 😆 (I also have sisters and Dark Angels, I just thought Ad Mech looked cool 😆).
As a GSC player, I like that vehicles are no longer way overpriced.
We are the sons of titan !
Is it worth pointing out that the only actual points change for Orks was for Squighog Boyz, who now include the Nob as part of the squad. Otherwise all the apparent points changes are from them releasing old points values in the book. I'm wondering why they even print that page at the back of the book.
Mek Gunz, Flash Gitz, and (weirdly) Nobz went down. Big Mek with Kustom Forcefield went up
I have MECHANICAL GIRTH and most competitive lists have to very much take those victories out of my cold dead hands.
Now, I just wish i wasn't running a list without a rule and I wake up in a cold sweat every morning thinking about the fact that I am not granted to get a mechanized detachment.
BTW Try Chimeras with two Heavy Flamers Bricky, I played against it and it was pure cancer, infantry units the same cost as the Chimera can't win that skirmish
I've been playing some AoS since 40k wasnt scratching the itch. AoS ALWAYS includes the delta for the armies and they make a separate document that is ALL armies and JUST the units that changed and by how much. Its wild that this is the SAME company
also, meganobz got such a huge glow up I ran out and got two more boxes. I have 12 (9 could be big meks) but I had to complete 3 max squads of 6 for 18. the 4+ FNP during a wagh is too good to pass up. they are our terminators so they should be scary. 2+/5++/4+++ during the wagh is so good and nasty. its perfect.
hilariously, the 4+ FNP works on Makari since he's part of the unit hahahaha
The infamous 4th Edition Cull aside they have been handling the transition to 4th edition incredibly well. Consistently laying out what changes and what doesn't, while being willing to admit that some aspects (like the near infinite CP generation for Bonereapers) was a bad idea. I agree, it's like 2 different companies at times.
I don’t like the change for crusaders to 35 because at that point I might as well field a hospitaller instead since they’re the same cost but have more wounds than the two crusaders, can shoot, and can heal characters.
Was last edition quarterly dataslates and semiannual points? I remember people bemoaning that too if that was the case. Seems like they moved the needle too much in the other direction this edition.
I've ALWAYS been a fan of making changes. Maybe you break something, maybe you don't. At least it's fresh. If it breaks enough, you can change it back.
Brother those csm points drops were huge how can you say there's nothing!
I really belived that the dataslate and the mfm would allways come together. Would have been so good.
as a dark angel player i am quite happy
I know nothing about table top, but for some reason seeing Fydor Karamazov get absolutely nothing made me smile. Stuck in the Webway with nothing to show for it lmao.
The biggest issue I have with the line of "Well SM are a newbie/casual army." Is that how do you quantify the effect that has? Does it bring down the WR by 2-3%? 5%? Cause even at 5% difference that makes their WR 47%, which is still pretty bad. Like how much of an effect does SM being a newbie army actually have? Cause that line of thinking can pretty much kill a faction who might genuinely be struggling, but the perception is that they're only doing bad because they're the newbie army. And it's only even SM that gets this line of thinking. No one would ever disagree with someone who says that Admech are bad, or that DW are bad. But its only SM who gets ignored when there are genuine issues with the army.
SM have been consistently down in the dumps for a while now, at what point do we turn around and say "Actually, this might be an issue worth considering?" With the nerfs it felt weird. Like the Stormraven was only ever good in 1 list, the eliminators feel like they're nerfed for no reason other than 1 rule shenanigans which, like its only 3 models. The Terminators are dogshite and only really make any pts back when they get into melee and fight first. Now what'll happen is we'll see hellblaster spam, and in 3 months they'll get nerfed again.
SM could've gotten a lot more done to them, but this is just a nothing burger. It doesn't help, and I'm leaning to that its actually harmful.
Define a newbie, define an experienced player. You can't define these, and it's worse when you factor is if this person is new to the army. Yeah you might've played Guard for the past 10 years but if you jump into SM you're not gonna be as good.
People don't go to tournies as their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th game. If it did, the numbers would be inconsequential. Please, I'm begging you, find a new line of reasoning to justify why you think SM don't need any buffs.