WORST IDEA EVER, tried to pull my gooseneck trailer with the semi truck.
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Hey Bro, I can tell you 95% of the gooseneck horse trailers being pulled by semi`s all across the country have an independent ball behind the fifth wheel and secured to the frame. Just an FYI, keep that awesome content coming!
Thanks for the info
Why don't you get the adapter that slides into the gooseneck? It already has the fifth wheel on it
Change the gooseneck to a fifth wheel go to your local trailer store
I seen a columbia with that setup. I'm thinking about doing that but it look like the ball is right in line where the regular trailer kingpin would hit it when I'm hooking up to a dry van trailer. How do you avoid hitting it?
Get a removable ball
Bulldog and several other brands make a slip in 2" kingpin hitch for the gooseneck tube. They work awesome.
Anytime you have 2 or more hitches stacked, you will have issues just as you are experiencing.
Thanks for that info
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That's what I use in mine and it works great!
I do that quite a bit also, and it works great. I actually use it to haul my truck on the trailer to deliver the semi, change the hitch tube and pull the trailer back with the pickup.
You could also try a kingpin slug that slides into the gooseneck. You just slide the gooseneck ball socket out of the trailer and slide the kingpin up into the neck. May work better for you.
Essentially turning the gooseneck into a fifth-wheel plate?
Yes. ^ also I’ve seen spacer plates put in to take up additional space depending on the fifth wheel hitch. Also: a pickup fifth wheel tends to rock forwards/backwards AND side to side, so if you do this, you should block or lock it so it won’t be pivoting every whichaway. Edit: they also sell different thickness in the bolster plate. Probably woulda helped.
Another great video!! I appreciate all of your professional advice!! Keep grinding your kicking butt!! 🤘👍
My fifth wheel slides back far enough to clear the mud flaps. I converted my gooseneck to a fithwheel pin then put an RV fithwheel plate in my 1 ton dually. If you dont put a electric brake controller in you tractor, it will be really rough on your tractor brakes when you put a real load on the trailer. My trailer weighs 5500lbs plus 10 or 12k+ lbs. It's as heavy as a drop deck empty with no brakes. It's kinda tricky to dial in the electric brake controller to drag enough to help slow the trailer down without burning out the trailer brakes, dexter 10k brake plates cost around $350= kinda important to get it right.
We changed out our gooseneck receiver to a king pin so it hooks up to our fifth wheel very strong and sturdy. The pipe slides back up in the receiver pipe on trailer.
What we’ve done is just welded a plate behind the fifth wheel and put a gooseneck ball on it, set it inside the frame instead of on top so it sits lower and you can put braces on it for support. Also put an electric trailer brake controller in the cab for trailer brakes but you don’t really need them if you’re pulling a smaller trailer like yours
That’s exactly what I’m going to do, can you send me pictures of your set up to my Instagram grtruckingdemolitionllc
I would never drive on the road with that adapter. I’m with you on your determination and there have to be better options out there.
My wife and I had to start a company do to companies wanted “experience” drivers not new CDL drivers. We also had to start with a hotshot business. 8 months into our business my wife bought me my first semi. I’m trying to get a trailer so I don’t have to do “power only” loads and I’ve been thinking on using my 36’ gooseneck to get started using my semi. I have a b&w plate that has a turnover ball laying around that I’ve been thinking on welding in. I would have all four hitches on my truck. The previous owner had set up for bumper pull type trailers, pintle hitch and of course 5th wheel.
Thanks for answering some of my questions about the adapter ball/king pin and nice trucks.
Wiring….
I’ve set up several semis to haul goosenecks and fifth wheel campers..
Your gonna want to wire in a separate 7 blade connector like a pick up has.. The adapters don’t work right without rewiring the trailer..
Your trucks rear turn signal and brake signal are together like a pickup.. This is what you’ll need to tap into for the gooseneck or a camper to function correctly.. The brake wire and left and right turn signal wires are separate on the original 7 pin trailer harness.. So No Bueno..
You will also need to tie in a brake control box if you want the trailer brakes to work.. The “Tekonsha 90195 P3” brake box is great because it uses g force of the truck to calculate the amount of voltage sent to the trailer brakes.. It can also control electric over hydraulic brakes..
Hey Garry how do you work around between 5th and gooseneck? I have to go with 5th wheel setup for my gooseneck trailer because of some mandatory requirements. Can you share some info please
100% , mount your ball toward the rear ,, keep it below top of frame rails , no issue with your kingpin trailers and it keeps your gooseneck ride height closer to a pickup so you can use tractor or pickup without adjustments .
That was a great video. I think a hideaway kingpin hitch mount welded to the frame behind the kingpin would work really good
Thinking about that
Yeah most of my buddies that run gooseneck’s on semis just have a gooseneck plate/ball installed over the rear axle between the frame just like a pickup, looks like it’d work in a jam tho👍
Setting up horse trailers for years we have always done one of two things either put the adapter in the trailer that has a true king pin plate on the bottom or we made a plate that bolts between the frame rails not welded to frame with a gooseneck ball in it.
I seen somebody pulling a load today like that. The weight might make it ride better. If not some welded plate might help. All in all another great video.
You should totally set up your pops truck for end dump, you could make a killin with a daycab… be a beautiful set up with a polished east end dump or Mac half round. Love the vids T8hunnid for life!
That's the plan!
3 options for this you change your gooseneck mounting pin to a 5th wheel style(or put a gooseneck to 5th wheel adapter on) get some 3/8plate bend 2 90s 1 on each side then drill a hole in the center and put your ball there (youd mount the plate right after your 5th wheel slider) or you use the adapter like you have but get a 5th wheel plate lock(you already got one)
personally if it was me id take the 5th wheel pin off an old semi trailer then put a gooseneck ball in it that adapters obviously for a pickup not a semi amazon just mislisted or the seller either way it clearly isnt made to work with a semi 5th wheel
I have that set up the difference is I have a single axle day cab semi, and I changed the gooseneck hook to a fifth king pin kind that just slides under it and you wanna go all the way to the last hole of it and make sure you torque them 2 front bolts to 90 lbft , now the problem I’m coming across with it’s the height on the back of the trailer so I’m low on the back of it the ramps aren’t opening because of it, so I’m looking in flipping the axles or new chuckles brackets to raise it up a good 7”
Hey we run in Canada so we have to pull all kinds of trailers that adoptor is for the small 5fifth-wheels that goes in the back of the 5500,3500 heavy duty pickup truck. Its really for Emergency in a spot. I recommend the Kingpins instead. What you can do is make a wielder cut the ballpin off the add a kingpin with a apron and you will be fine no movement nothing make sure the kingpin is for the semi truck 5fifth wheel thu.
Thanks for the tip
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I pull my goose neck trailer but I changed out my commercial hitch with an rv trail saver to pull my Fifth wheel rv. You can also just fab up a 1/2" plate with a goose neck ball weleded into it. Now you can do both commercial and standard goose.
I think that’s what I’m going to do weld one to the frame
@@Grtruckingdemolitionllc this is the best option will sit like 6 inches lower too so trailer will sit how its supposed to and no play
For a time before I retired completely I set up a GMC toppkick 7500 put a 60 inch sleeper and 20 ton 5th wheel plate. What you need to do is get rid of the gooseneck ball and go kingpin stationary, also a permanent plate to your adapter the with of your 5th wheel plate for stability I'm a 32 year bigum truck driver 6.5 million miles pulled everything but tanks...couldn't figure how to hook the chains or load locks, lol
Drop the goose ball coupler off the trailer and use a kingpin made for the trailer neck. I use a Hayes air over electric controller for electric trailer brakes. It is connected to the brake application gauge line so the trailer electric brakes operate in proportion to the truck air brakes or independently with the trailer brake control.
This cool and this evening I just seen a semi pulling a gooseneck deck over trailer and I wonder what he was using.
I have a custom built gooseneck to fifth wheel adapter that replaces the whole insert in the hitch of the gooseneck to make it fifth wheel. It actually works well.
You gonna have to weld a plate to it that spans the whole pad. Otherwise it’s gonna keep twisting and torque hard on the components. A buddy did that for a car hauler, improved it dramatically little to no slop
I would just get an independent gooseneck plate for it. All that play is definitely nerve wrecking. The only other think I can come up with is going to a machine shop and having them make you a custom Plate to take up all of that extra wiggle room.
If you really wanted to you could probably install one of those rear gooseneck or fifth wheel hitches that HD rv haulers use.
Weld a plate to the frame in between the fifth wheel and the plate you have welded for the Lowboy neck legs to rest on and mount the ball in it
Great idea that would work
I welded a tap on both the frame and fifth wheel plate. And I can put a pin in it. And it locks my fifth wheel from titling forward and backwards. Works great
That's why you put a bracket across the frame more towards around rear axle with a gooseneck hitch and d rings for safety chains
Pulled a gooseneck regularly weld 6 inch C channel between frame rails hard.wired my light plug and installed electric brake controller 28 foot trlr on a 2006 International. You can do this
Thanks for the info
I think you're looking at things correctly... good idea, but you've got a lot of play in your fifth wheel. I don't see any issues in the adapter, so if you can tighten the 5th wheel plate, I would think it could work. Even with a larger adapter plate, of the plate continues to rock, is putting more shock stress on the adapter.
Good point!
You can buy a kingpin insert for the neck of your trailer they are removable
Excellent video !!
Thank you very much!
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one thing you can do most trailers you can replace the Neck/attachment it slides out and you have an adjustment pin for height. you can get a new one thats a king pin on it. and get King pin 5th wheel hitches for your pickups. and you don't have to worry about having the right hookup for all your trailers. its alot more secure than a gooseneck ball to a adapter plate. to a king pin hitch. ofcourse that thing wobbles like it does. theres no ridgidity in it
I am surprised that it is not a common option to have a setup like a B&W TurnOver ball on a separate plate behind the fifth wheel.
They make fifth wheel couplers that replaces the ball coupler. Then you can adjust the height to bring the deck level
I’d put in either a hidden flip up ball under the fifth wheel where you could slide fifth wheel forward to expose it or they make a drop in 2 5/16 ball that has a square receiver vertically and you pin it in place like a Reese hitch
Thats a great idea
Make a crossmember behind 5th wheel out of 6” channel or 1/4 wall 2x4 square tubing. Put ball in that. Should be good
Great idea I’m going to show my welder this so he can fabricate it
I've been thinking about doing something similar but I think the thing that is needed is to figure out a way to fix the pivot on the 5th wheel plate so it can't rock forward or backwards. There's plenty of pivot in the ball to gooseneck connection that allows for going up or down an incline, so there's no need for the 5th wheel plate to pivot also. The only thing then, is you would have to remember to free up the 5th wheel plate when hooking back up to a normal kingpin trailer. Maybe a couple of legs with a cross brace could be welded on the back of the kingpin/ballhitch adapter that had slots in the end of the legs that could slip over/under the top of the truck frame?
I don't like the fixed ball solution because then you can't move it forward like you can with the sliding 5th wheel.
I use a bulldog kingpin coupler that slides in an replaces the ball hitch coupler. Works great !
Did you have to pin your 5th wheel from rocking?
@@BriggsStratton11 I used it on my freightliner 5th wheel that automatically locks into place after backing under the trailer.
I tried this before with my pj and what happened was there was so much play it caused an out of control situation when braking with a heavy load. The best way to word it is huck and buck seesaw.
Not feelin' the gooseneck being pulled by a semi. I agree plate needs to be bigger so that there's no play whether loaded or unloaded. Also, the engine heater being in Houston have you ever had to plug the truck in because it got too cold. That's a very common thing even for pickups in the northern states in the U.S.A. or anywhere where it gets cold during the winter months.
No never use the engine heater. And I want to pull the gooseneck with unit 75 to take my dads old 70 gmc service truck to shows
@@Grtruckingdemolitionllc Oh OK. That would be cool to include your dad's old GMC in shows.
Have pulled trailers that way but I always blocked and strapped the 5th wheel. But best way is a gooseneck hitch mounted on the back frame
Best thing I did was weld a plate between the frame rails behind the 5th wheel and just have a hide away gooseneck ball mounted in it for whenever you want to use it.
Put a independent ball behind the 5th wheel I put brackets in to run pickup style rails across the back of the frame so I can run a goose neck ball or a RV 5th wheel which makes it for quick removal because I hull anything from house's to RV's to semi trailer's
If the ball was mounted to the Gooseneck solid, I could it being better... to many swivel points with that adapter. Great video, thanks.
Get the adapter that comes with the inner tube becuase it comes in 1 piece with inner tube so it is more stable.
That could work, only problem it sits to high
I drove a t800 with a 40ft gooseneck with the inner adapter for kin pin loaded had about 15k on it the owner it wired up a brake system in the truck to power them brakes weird but I ended up working drove it from Odessa to Cali for my Client.
Buy the full 5th wheel hitch for you trailer.they work grate.!good luck
Thanks
Everyone I’ve ever seen is mounted on the crossmember behind the fifth wheel. Very common on farm trucks
Will look into doing that instead
Dope!
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Might as well get a big rig flatbed at this point. Just weld the adapter to the truck and have a gooseneck hitch behind the 5th wheel
The point you made about if the pickup wasn't available to move that trailer is the ONLY reason I'd keep that. But I'd NEVER hit the highway with it.
Hey man, just get the ball mounted on the end of the frame in the back like everyone does, i can dm you pictures if you need
Yes please do so would help a lot
Personally I'd get a pipe the same size at the gooseneck hutch pipe and weld it to the adapter to where you can have it about 4 inches closer to the truck to where the loads alot more even..
I believe that's an RV style adapter meant for fifth wheel hitches in pickup truck
I have the same adapter. It is made for an RV Fifth Wheel hitch. The kingpin on the adapter is too small for an 18 Wheeler Fifth Wheel. However, I don't use my adapter on my RV Fifth Wheel because it wobbles just like yours did. I can't lock down my Fifth Wheel hitch but I tried to shim it with wood blocks. Did not work. I have had mine for years and only used it once with a load. I change my neck tubes from ball to king pin. Fitfth Wheel works much better.
I just got the other tube that goes in the gooseneck that has a king pin. Works great.
Did you have to pin your 5th wheel from rocking?
Is your gray ram a 1 ton or three-quarter ton? I love that truck you should do more videos of pulling the dump trailer with it.
3/4 ton
You can buy the king pin tube to exchange the goose neck coupler on the trailer
I saw that online
@@Grtruckingdemolitionllc it’s way better changing the tube
Yeah that adapter sucks all around.
I was wondering, idk if u do, but if ur pulling goosenecks, how or what did u use to wire ur truck so u can connect with the gooseneck trailer!? Thanks
I’m in the trucking biz I had my shop make a slide in steel bar that locks the fith wheel from moving that takes care of that problem and a power converter from NAPA that fixes the lighting problem using the 7 way tractor plug to the 7 way RV one so the running brake and turn signal lights are correct we do heavy haul always some thing we have to make stuff for a job . Seldom a tractor moves a gooseneck I have 2 single axel day cabs set up for mini wheels and gooseneck hitches .
Did the Napa power converter allow the brake lights to work? Do you have a part number?
@@nifdturner No but you can ask them at a store and they can get it I did this about 10 years ago I am sure they still sell it . your turn singels and brake lights on a RV are the same filament of a 1157 bulb just like your car or light truck there is also a air to electric brake control too .
Just buy a insert that goes into the gooseneck. If you put a ball behind the fifth wheel it will always be in the way.
B&W makes a hide a hitch you can weld to the frame aft of the fifth wheel it’ll be out of the way unless you need it and pop it up.
I sometimes use a semin to pull my 12,500 lbs, I have a kingpin that slides up in the trailer. But I have used the adapter. Your mistake was not completely locking your fifth wheel. You do not want it to tilt back and forth. If you ever see a frameless dump look at their fifth wheel, you will see that they have stops in the back of the fifth wheel, and in front of the fifth wheel.
Mr deezlsmoke is right they make a slip in replacement tube for switching from gooseneck to fifth wheel, easy and safer , but here's something to ponder when you switch to fifth wheel do you still have to use safety chains ??? big trucks don't , fifth wheel campers don't kind of curious ?
Also you need to install a eletric brake controller in the truck for that style of trailer with eletric brakes
Mount a gooseneck plate behind the 5th wheel
that king pin looks like it’s for a small fifth wheel used to tug fifth wheel rv’s or toy haulers. class 8 king pins are normally 3 1/2”
and rv’s are 2”
That might be the problem,didn’t do my research completely then
Yes this is true that is more for the rv 5th not commercial but I still wouldn’t use this adapter because there’s now 2 pivot points
RVs and commercial trucks use the same pin. The only things that takes the larger pin is some military stuff and sometimes those ridiculously huge heavy haul trailers, at least in the US
I was about to buy this too. Too much play on the fifth wheel. Maybe for around the yard tho.
Put a king pin plate and tube in the goose neck. Also the plate moving you don't feel the trailer. I run a semi 5th wheel plate on my 2.5 tone fule pincher and you can't tell the trailer is back there
You need to block your fifth wheel to immobilize it from moving. Just like you would if you were pulling a frameless dump. I prefer swapping the neck tube. Can level the trailer out better with it. I bought one from a friend that was for a pick up fifth wheel
It only takes a few minutes to change out the goose heck a kingpin hitch tube.. you can level out the trailer,, easy to hock up..and will pull great..
We did it simple. Welded the ball behind the 5th wheel and have been doing it that way for years. 😂😂😂😂. Y’all keep inventing the wheel though 😂😂
Is that electrical adapter available at any stores or truck stops In PA?
I have pulled a 30 ft hootrigde gooseneck behind a 1985 mack all the time with a 18,000 lbs excavator and a john deere backhoe
I usually pull cattle trailers with a pickup but some buddies use these fifth wheels that lock and won't do that
I've seen guys add a gooseneck ball on a plate behind the fift wheel and not use the fift wheel at all for the hoose neck
Are you planning on bagging the front end on unit 75??
Not right now but maybe could be something I do in the future
The fifth wheel on the truck needs to have at least 10 percent of the towed weight on it or it will be subjected to negative loading. If you had more tongue
weight up there it probably wouldn't move as much.
That makes sense
What low ride seat can u recommend? I have a 2010 t800 with the same sleeper
Legacy low is good, bostrom is even lower but I think those fit better on bigger sleeper trucks
The basic idea is sound, but the fit of the bar that locks the fifth-wheel plate from tilting is way too lose, and the adapter doesn't fit the hitch nearly well enough. The adapter will have a 2" king pin, but is the fifth-wheel 3.5"? Heavy commercial trucks can have either size. That diameter is measured in the narrow part where the jaws go.
2": SAE J700 - 2" at neck, 2.875" at shoulder (above neck)
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Hey bro just wondering if you got the solution for that? Because i am in the same situation. I have to go with fifth wheel because of some requirements in Canada. So just wondering if you got any permanent solution for it to pull the gooseneck trailer with semi fifth wheel?
Put a b&w turnover ball on and weld it
I've got the king pin replacement tube for my trailer so no more goose ball
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You just need to put a block under the fifth wheel so it level. Your fifth is out of adjustment ,that was the slop is. I have done this with no issues at all..
I did a gooseneck ball under the fifth wheel and work's good I just slide my fifth wheel foward
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The gooseball is welded to the frame on my kenworth
I need to do that
Play it safe . You are the driver
Where did you get your front bumper from
I hope you got really really really GOOD INSURANCE
I feel this is for yard work and thinking in the way of what would DOT say.
Me personally I don't think it would fly with DOT and especially if they say it's for semis without a DOT endorsement I would not run it on the highway.
I can't believe I just sided with the DOT hahaha
Exactly why I won’t use it. I’m not planning on pulling it to do work. Just want to haul my tractors from property to property
Change the hitch to kingpin cupler it will work better I ran a wedge trailer with semi hauling cars
You still need safety chains with your setup
And hookup the breakaway cable
I wish I could post a pic on here but they have one that you pull your goose neck coupler out with the 2 bolts on the front an this one slides in an you don’t have to block up your 5th wheel
I think I’ve seen it on google
@@Grtruckingdemolitionllc it’s like $250 I try an get you a part number
But a kingpin adapter for the trailer. Problem solved and a better alternative than the thing you bought
Not gonna lie but those adapters are actually made for pickup truck fifthwheel hitches and I don't know the difference on depth but I know they lock in better on a pickup fifthwheel hitch and I wouldn't trust even a little play
I went wuth it because the description showed a semi and reviews said some people were using it on big trucks but I think you are right