Oh home sweet home 🙏🏻 happy to see TCS Victory again, and I am happy that WC4 didn’t destroy Victory in the story and let it be as a museum, thank you for the video bro 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Man I love your WC lore vids. WC was the first ever game I bought for the PC. Had a hell of a time convincing my parents to let me instal a joystick so I could play it. I’m crossing my fingers that the last of “The Big Three” carriers gets her own video. I mean we GOTTA have “The First to Kilrah”. The one. The only. TCS Tarawa. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Funny you mention her actually. About a month or so ago I was working on importing the Tarawa model from Klav's 3d model pack and actually got into the game and textured to mostly match the cover of End Run. However, the shield impact animations didn't work right, she cant fire hers turrets, the bump mapping is a little off when you get close, and the explosion is *really* wonky, so there's a lot of work to do. It did look pretty though.
These vids are amazing, thank you! I lived on the WC franchise back in the day and doing a playthrough again now. I never wanted to be Luke Skywalker as a kid, I wanted to be Chris goddamn Blair.
I've always wondered if the lack of escort ships for carriers was for meta-game reasons. As in they simply forgot about it when producing the game or if it was a technical limitation not having so many ships at the same time.
Sure the Victory 'won' the war, but how about some 'love' for TCS Hermes, the ship that led the costly effort to distract the Kats into another system to give Blair and the gang the opening to deliver the temblor bomb.
Unfortunately the exploits of the Hermes in Saga (Except for a few mentions in the WC3 novel) is not canon to the universe. However Nick and the other writers of the dev team went to great lengths to have it fit within the universe, which I absolutely loved that they did that. As such, I actually have considered doing the events of Saga at some point in the vague future when I've gone though the other canon stuff of the Kilrathi War. It's only fair after all, since I've used their assets for a bunch of other Wing Commander stuff, might as well do a video about Saga (and the Hermes) specifically.
@@MacsLore Sounds good; it stands to reason, that, for a war that lasted 40 years(?) there had to be lots of battles and skirmishes that didn't involve Maverick and Maniac. It's like "Rogue One": the civil war went on for decades and not all of them involved the Sith, the Jedi or the Skywalkers, just the efforts of Joe Average 'grunts'.
Hey! I just found your youtube channel after just starting up wing commander myself I am glad to see someone doing lore stuff. helps for a table top thing I am working on.
So, my bad. Apparently I "speld relle gud" in The Crew section, and felt I needed to fix it. So, here I am reuploading this. If you saw it before though, it's pretty much the same, so you dont need to watch it again. On another note, when I was working on this, I initially kept getting bogged down in the details of what happened in 2669, until I just starting glossing over anything the Victory wasn't directly involved in. Long story short, there might be enough to work with to have the details of 2669 in it's own video in the future. Possibly.
Anyone find the irony of Luke Skywalker defending a planet destroying laser superweapon then flying a trench run to destroy Kilrah with a single superbomb that is likely no greater than 2 meters wide?
Beg pardon, but you forgot Flint, Rollins, and Rachel. They're interesting enough to warrant a few sentences, I think. Otherwise, an excellent video that tickles the nostalgia gland. Oh, and the line "No, not THAT desert planet"? Priceless!
My main line of thinking when I chose which characters to showcase came down to their level of significance and/or impact in the greater WC universe. Flint, Vaquero & Rollins, while colorful, just kinda disappeared entirely after WC3. While Cobra, who prevented the T-Bomb specs from leaking to the Kilrathi got a spot, since her sacrifice helped prevent Confed from losing the war. This is pretty much the same reasoning I used for not including Knight, or Bossman in the Tiger's Claw video. Although thinking about it now, I probably should have included Rachel due to her impact on Blair's life in the post-war era and her reappearance as the Chief Tech of the Midway in Prophecy.
Tin Can Sally was the nickname given to the TCS Concordia, not the Victory- If you pay attention to the dialogue in the beginning of WC3 between Captain Eisen and Col Blair; Eisen notices Blair looking at the very old hangar within the Victory to where Eisen comments, I know what you're thinking, she's no Tin Can Sally-to which Blair replies...well neither is the Concordia basically referring to the loss of the Concordia on Vespa during the intro to WC3.
False. The extremely long Wing Commander 3 intro has Eisen go "Welcome to the TCS Victory, Colonel, better known as Tin Can Sally." immediately after Blair salutes him. Further, all the promo materials for the game itself refer to victory as the Tin Can Sally. Given you can watch the video on YT these days and look up the old marketing material, the proof is obviously all against you and your silly statement.
watching this right after the End Run and experiencing severe whiplash when looking at the spaceships... yes, i know that the looks of Terran and Kilrathi ships starting with Wing Commander 3 were dictated by the limitations of 3D technology back in the day but damnit, its such a colossal downgrade when compared to the ship designs of Wing Commander 1 and 2... i'm probably in the minority but i would have preferred the sprite work of Wing Commander 1 and 2 over the ugly polygon crap we got for ships in 3 and 4.
I always thought that Tolwyn never recovered from the end of war and the fact it took the death of Kilrah to do it. He lost his purpose in life, humanity won in sorta dishonorable way and saw the human race basically fall apart in face of it. With economic, social and political collapse and with a coming human civil war. Tolwyn succumb to hopelessness and nostalgia (in rose tinted glasses as he saw the war years as humanities zenith), decided to create a Warrior Caste in gen tech's to enforce the peace and keep human civilization from collapsing. While also sparing most of humanity from having to soldiers again, as his gen tech warriors aka the Black Lance would serve in that role. So I never saw Tolwyn as bad man, just a lost one who again succumb to hopelessness and desperation. Rather than trying to reach out to others to find a better way, he looked inward, pushing everyone away. Thereby falling into darkness and sorrow.
I don't think anybody questioned the diversity of this ship/cast when this game came out. It was a great game for the day and that is what people cheered for.
It legit took me YEARS to put together the events of the False Armistice as the reason why ships like Victory were being pulled out of mothballs. And why the Border Worlds ships (which I assume includes the Landreich) were so run down and patchwork...they had ships cause they were old salvage from the Battle of Earth that they claimed as payment for bailing Confed out.
28,000 tonnes sounds quite light for a vessel ~twice as long as a ~100,000 ton present day US Navy carrier. Makes me think of the Honorverse ship mass/size retcon. I wonder if the addition of the escort flotilla is partly that this was the 486/Pentium era and computers could have the resources to handle rendering them all. Though it does make sense as a screening force like wet navy practice to protect the carrier, as seen in actions like the mad dash of the Fletcher-class destroyers to chase off the superior Japanese flotilla at Leyte Gulf.
Don't know if Pilgrim Truth is canon or not but Blair did return to the confederation but he was very old and the confed loses the war with the Pilgrim.
To be honest I'm not fully sure either. Parts of it are, I think? But it's a really murky area. I myself have only started reading the Confederation Handbook about them. Which is conveniently hosted on archive.org btw.
So let me get this straight... Red Squadron flies fighters with blue trim, Blue Squadron flies fighters with both blue and green trim. Green squadron flies fighters with yellow (or gold) stripes, and Gold Squadron flies fighters with purple trim. Someone on the Victory, or in Confed is colorblind and I'm not sure who.
@@weldonwin Oh hell no. I joined this man's Space Force to skin cats, not hold their paws. I lit that thing up with my Rapier when we flew our first patrol.
Jason Bernard as Capt Eisen utterly kicked ass in this role
The ship that helped to win the War in "Wing Commander 3".
WC3 was my introduction to the universe. The Victory has a special place in my heart, right next to the 2003 Galactica.
I came for the Starseige and stayed for the rest. Please keep doing these. I really like your videos.
Oh home sweet home 🙏🏻 happy to see TCS Victory again, and I am happy that WC4 didn’t destroy Victory in the story and let it be as a museum, thank you for the video bro 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Man I love your WC lore vids.
WC was the first ever game I bought for the PC.
Had a hell of a time convincing my parents to let me instal a joystick so I could play it.
I’m crossing my fingers that the last of “The Big Three” carriers gets her own video.
I mean we GOTTA have “The First to Kilrah”.
The one.
The only.
TCS Tarawa. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Funny you mention her actually. About a month or so ago I was working on importing the Tarawa model from Klav's 3d model pack and actually got into the game and textured to mostly match the cover of End Run. However, the shield impact animations didn't work right, she cant fire hers turrets, the bump mapping is a little off when you get close, and the explosion is *really* wonky, so there's a lot of work to do. It did look pretty though.
These vids are amazing, thank you! I lived on the WC franchise back in the day and doing a playthrough again now.
I never wanted to be Luke Skywalker as a kid, I wanted to be Chris goddamn Blair.
Yeah Buddy!! You and me both!!
WELCOME to the Victory Colonel!
*Chuckles* "Better known as Tin Can Sally..."
Your Wing Commander content is great! I hope to see much more : )
I've always wondered if the lack of escort ships for carriers was for meta-game reasons. As in they simply forgot about it when producing the game or if it was a technical limitation not having so many ships at the same time.
I always figured it was a technical thing, memory limitations were *very* unforgiving back in the day.
@@MacsLore
[Laughs in Stack Overflow Error]
Sure the Victory 'won' the war, but how about some 'love' for TCS Hermes, the ship that led the costly effort to distract the Kats into another system to give Blair and the gang the opening to deliver the temblor bomb.
Unfortunately the exploits of the Hermes in Saga (Except for a few mentions in the WC3 novel) is not canon to the universe. However Nick and the other writers of the dev team went to great lengths to have it fit within the universe, which I absolutely loved that they did that. As such, I actually have considered doing the events of Saga at some point in the vague future when I've gone though the other canon stuff of the Kilrathi War.
It's only fair after all, since I've used their assets for a bunch of other Wing Commander stuff, might as well do a video about Saga (and the Hermes) specifically.
@@MacsLore Sounds good; it stands to reason, that, for a war that lasted 40 years(?) there had to be lots of battles and skirmishes that didn't involve Maverick and Maniac.
It's like "Rogue One": the civil war went on for decades and not all of them involved the Sith, the Jedi or the Skywalkers, just the efforts of Joe Average 'grunts'.
Hey! I just found your youtube channel after just starting up wing commander myself I am glad to see someone doing lore stuff. helps for a table top thing I am working on.
Also Is that Yamato for your PFP?
Kongou, actually. From this artist on twitter: twitter.com/i/web/status/1143922917274554368
@@MacsLore it's really nice art and good Choice in PFP Des
@@MacsLore on a side note do you have a discord? Asking since I would love some help with the lore side of the Tabletop i am working on.
Wing Commander Tabletop?!
No, stop. I'm involved in too many TTRPGS already.
So, my bad. Apparently I "speld relle gud" in The Crew section, and felt I needed to fix it. So, here I am reuploading this. If you saw it before though, it's pretty much the same, so you dont need to watch it again.
On another note, when I was working on this, I initially kept getting bogged down in the details of what happened in 2669, until I just starting glossing over anything the Victory wasn't directly involved in. Long story short, there might be enough to work with to have the details of 2669 in it's own video in the future. Possibly.
Anyone find the irony of Luke Skywalker defending a planet destroying laser superweapon then flying a trench run to destroy Kilrah with a single superbomb that is likely no greater than 2 meters wide?
todd is a great name for a maniac
Beg pardon, but you forgot Flint, Rollins, and Rachel. They're interesting enough to warrant a few sentences, I think. Otherwise, an excellent video that tickles the nostalgia gland. Oh, and the line "No, not THAT desert planet"? Priceless!
My main line of thinking when I chose which characters to showcase came down to their level of significance and/or impact in the greater WC universe. Flint, Vaquero & Rollins, while colorful, just kinda disappeared entirely after WC3. While Cobra, who prevented the T-Bomb specs from leaking to the Kilrathi got a spot, since her sacrifice helped prevent Confed from losing the war. This is pretty much the same reasoning I used for not including Knight, or Bossman in the Tiger's Claw video.
Although thinking about it now, I probably should have included Rachel due to her impact on Blair's life in the post-war era and her reappearance as the Chief Tech of the Midway in Prophecy.
@@MacsLore Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation, and I'll keep watch for more such lore videos.
Tin Can Sally was the nickname given to the TCS Concordia, not the Victory- If you pay attention to the dialogue in the beginning of WC3 between Captain Eisen and Col Blair; Eisen notices Blair looking at the very old hangar within the Victory to where Eisen comments, I know what you're thinking, she's no Tin Can Sally-to which Blair replies...well neither is the Concordia basically referring to the loss of the Concordia on Vespa during the intro to WC3.
False. The extremely long Wing Commander 3 intro has Eisen go "Welcome to the TCS Victory, Colonel, better known as Tin Can Sally." immediately after Blair salutes him. Further, all the promo materials for the game itself refer to victory as the Tin Can Sally. Given you can watch the video on YT these days and look up the old marketing material, the proof is obviously all against you and your silly statement.
1:00 all that image is telling me that the Cats need a few more capital ships and it would be almost a fair fight
My number 1 favorite game growing up!
watching this right after the End Run and experiencing severe whiplash when looking at the spaceships... yes, i know that the looks of Terran and Kilrathi ships starting with Wing Commander 3 were dictated by the limitations of 3D technology back in the day but damnit, its such a colossal downgrade when compared to the ship designs of Wing Commander 1 and 2... i'm probably in the minority but i would have preferred the sprite work of Wing Commander 1 and 2 over the ugly polygon crap we got for ships in 3 and 4.
I always thought that Tolwyn never recovered from the end of war and the fact it took the death of Kilrah to do it. He lost his purpose in life, humanity won in sorta dishonorable way and saw the human race basically fall apart in face of it. With economic, social and political collapse and with a coming human civil war. Tolwyn succumb to hopelessness and nostalgia (in rose tinted glasses as he saw the war years as humanities zenith), decided to create a Warrior Caste in gen tech's to enforce the peace and keep human civilization from collapsing. While also sparing most of humanity from having to soldiers again, as his gen tech warriors aka the Black Lance would serve in that role. So I never saw Tolwyn as bad man, just a lost one who again succumb to hopelessness and desperation. Rather than trying to reach out to others to find a better way, he looked inward, pushing everyone away. Thereby falling into darkness and sorrow.
Being able to fly through carriers (and the detail once inside being surprisingly nice) blew my mind. I thought it was such a cool little feature.
Some of those screenshots are from WC:Saga aren'T they?
lol, its in the credits. yeah, cool.
I don't think anybody questioned the diversity of this ship/cast when this game came out. It was a great game for the day and that is what people cheered for.
I used Flint and Vagabond alot sides Hobbes. I retired Flint more then once.
A video on the civilian Fleet, and the difference between the confed two navy forces would be very interesting
I wish they would just hurry up and release Squadron 42.
Im wing commander maverick on tcs victory rank of colonel
Fun fact: Vagabond's actor also plays Walter on Amazon's "The Tick".
I think he also played Jules Pierre-Mao in The Expanse!
What about midway project
Tiger Claw, Victory and now left is the TCS Concordia
How were this ingame pictures made?
It legit took me YEARS to put together the events of the False Armistice as the reason why ships like Victory were being pulled out of mothballs. And why the Border Worlds ships (which I assume includes the Landreich) were so run down and patchwork...they had ships cause they were old salvage from the Battle of Earth that they claimed as payment for bailing Confed out.
28,000 tonnes sounds quite light for a vessel ~twice as long as a ~100,000 ton present day US Navy carrier. Makes me think of the Honorverse ship mass/size retcon.
I wonder if the addition of the escort flotilla is partly that this was the 486/Pentium era and computers could have the resources to handle rendering them all. Though it does make sense as a screening force like wet navy practice to protect the carrier, as seen in actions like the mad dash of the Fletcher-class destroyers to chase off the superior Japanese flotilla at Leyte Gulf.
Don't know if Pilgrim Truth is canon or not but Blair did return to the confederation but he was very old and the confed loses the war with the Pilgrim.
To be honest I'm not fully sure either. Parts of it are, I think? But it's a really murky area. I myself have only started reading the Confederation Handbook about them. Which is conveniently hosted on archive.org btw.
So let me get this straight... Red Squadron flies fighters with blue trim, Blue Squadron flies fighters with both blue and green trim. Green squadron flies fighters with yellow (or gold) stripes, and Gold Squadron flies fighters with purple trim.
Someone on the Victory, or in Confed is colorblind and I'm not sure who.
Yeah.
Pretty much.
The good old Arrow, I was very fond of that fleet little fighter.
The arrow was a good little ship. If you took care of her she’d bring you home again and again
Top notch work. Thanks for doing this. Helps me enjoy and relive childhood memories.
Your videos need more eyes on them. Hence why I'm sharing them. And baiting the algorithm with a like and a comment. PUBG.
FORTNITE.
So much wing commander content and so much to go! Keep it up.
Fantastic video
Cobra was right!
And it was a massive kick in the gut, because Hobbes was my favourite wingman
@@weldonwin Oh hell no. I joined this man's Space Force to skin cats, not hold their paws. I lit that thing up with my Rapier when we flew our first patrol.
@@Sporkmaker5150 Then it will horrify you to know that on one play through, I set my callsign as "Calvin"
@@weldonwin Should have been "Mandarin".
My guy.