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I think there must be a lore mistake. A normal frigate MAC round is about 9,1m long an weight 600t. That means this round must be around 2,085 m in diameter (if it is pure tungsten). A round from an orbital defense super mac weight around 3000t. The MAC of the USNC Infinity has 27 m bore diameter. If the round is only 1 m long it weights 11000 t. If the length to diamter ratio is the same as the one of the frigate round it would weight around 1,3 Million t. Isn’t that a mistake (a little bit overpowered) compared to the other MACs?
@@midnightfenrir do the ship names even follow some kind of theme? The only ones that kind of make sense are "spirit of fire" and "forward unto dawn." Even ship names in the same class are all over the place, some marathon cruisers: "hannibal," "leviathan," "prophecy," "say my name," and "io."
I love how Infinity loses due to the typical danger that would be realistically faced by massive, dreadnought-style warships: being caught without an escort fleet and outmaneuvered by numerous smaller vessels. There's a fun bit of realism in that.
@@Zadrias6386 And that is even assuming she still had her 10 frigates docked. The Conflict could forced her to release them to be deployed elsewhere. Stridents are next gen heavy frigates, and the Anlace works best as a ECM.
The fact that she can carry 10 frigates INSIDE of her and deploy them in a very cool way singlehandedly makes her one of the most badass spaceships in the history for me
I think it's so ridiculously stupid and a complete waste of internal space, sure have a repair bay to house at the most 2 damaged frigates for repairs and refit, great idea but clamping 10 of them inside is so stupid
@@thehypest6118 When an enemy fleet is focus firing on one ship alone it takes more damage and is harder to fight back. Have ten frigates maneuvering through the enemy fleet and flanking them prevents them from focusing mainly on the infinity.
@@robertharris6092 it helps a lot when you were building 2 then only deciding to build one halfway through and gutting the other to finish the first. It also helps when it will become humanity's last hope
God i love the Strident Class of frigates. A capable escort, a battle line suited warship and can surely operate on its own as a forward deployed/recon/patrol vessel. Plus it just looks mean.
Stridents are super cool, big fan of the details in its design with its enormous weapons with limited ammo, or the yet-to-be-installed shields. Adds some nice flavour. - hoojiwana from Spacedock
@@idontwanttoputmyname403 i guess im a product of my times, i got into Halo with 4 so thats the frigates that caught my eye first rather than the Paris and such, cool ships too not going to lie
So many of us are going to be so upset if they reveal the Infinity actually was destroyed. However when the Chief scans for her on his Pelican the ship A.I. claims it's "Not Found", as in even wreckage isn't present.
Because Zeta isn’t in the same location. Either it’s on the ring, destroyed or heavily damaged, and it’s beacon isn’t working/on, or it’s not in range. Because it’s not with the ring That or all the wreckage in the first mission is the Infinity
@@CMTechnica Unlikely. There would be a LOT of wreckage, more than the Banished could melt down and fabricate into bases within 6 months. That and assuming Infinity was destroyed its reactors would have left NOTHING in the system. No Banished fleet, no Zeta Halo, nothing. Remember the Autumn's destruction tore Alpha Halo apart and the Infinity is roughly 3.5 times larger.
this ship's construction would have been a nightmare. construction began as a colonization vessel before the war and shifted to being a state of the art warship completed after the war, using technology discovered after the ship was started in all of its primary systems.
IRL that's actually a problem for older models of destroyers using modern software for things like CWIS since some of them were made in the 90s and they won't swap out the hardware unless absolutely necessary to save cost and the tech specialists need to integrate the old and new hardware which would be a nightmare
The Eternity didn't have it much better, it got a lot of parts taken from it during construction because the Infinity needed repairs. And I don't think the Created and Banished jumping into the mix helped much
Having the Huragok around is probably the only reason the ship got finished in time at all, if not for their otherworldly engineering capabilities, the infinity might have never been finished.
@@Marinealver Except it didn't. If it did, it happen offscreen and just as much could be retconned, but there is nothing to be retconned since Infinity was never stated or showcased to be destroyed anyway.
I really hope the Infinity wasn't destroyed, only heavily damaged. I'm waiting for the moment when Roland arrives with the infinity and kicks the Banisheds ass for scratching his ship/body.
Why? There wasn’t anything particularly interesting about it. All the Infinity had going for it was that it was just straight up better than Covenant ships. No clever design, no particular things that gave it an edge. It’s basically a ten year old’s idea of development. It’s bigger, more durable, faster, and has more powerful guns. Infinity is a Mary Sue ship.
It’d be nice if 343 got someone to make a space combat game with all these ships. Space combat is one of the more interesting things about the universe but it’s been left on the table.
I'd not heard of the Anlace before, and it seems pretty cool, isn't the design at odds with how almost every UNSC ship seems to be able to just hover in mid air though? While within an atmosphere?
Only Frigates are rated for Atmosphere. Anything larger requires rocket boosters like what you see attached to the Autumn in the last level of Halo: Reach.
@@ledocteur7701 nope. The Halcyon class was fully incapable of hovering. It’s explained in the Fall of Reach that the class was semi capable of *landing*, poorly, which is how the PoA was moored planetside in the final act of Halo Reach. Getting out of planetary gravity was impossible without the expensive boosters that lifted it to the right angle for planetary exit. The only reason PoA was on Reach itself instead of orbit was because it needed an extensive refit, and well, orbital docks were among the first targets hit by the Covenant
@@CMTechnica oh okay, in that case the cutscene wasn't really.. physic approved. sure angling definitely helps and is necessary to get the slightest change of taking off, but the Autumn didn't build up nearly enough forward moment and most importantly wasn't nearly angled enough before the boosters detached in order to keep going. without any cutscene magic or hovering capacity it should have just instantly crashed back down into the ground. it would have worked with the Autumn taking off vertically, that way no need for massive single use boosters, and you got the full thrust of the engines to take off, whish should be plenty. it did look epic tho.
If they destroyed the Infinity like this I am going to be very annoyed, I love this ship. Am really hoping she can be salvaged and relaunched as otherwise they did this ship dirty.
@@everythingsalright1121 Its modular components; the ship was still under proper construction last we heard. Basically the UNSC took what they intended for her and sent it to Infinity instead, but continued onwards with the rest of the Eternity as standard.
@@Thememelord134 exactly, really feels cheap to say that the most powerfull ship in the universe got destroyed within mere minutes and it happens 99% of screen. Like how did they get the drop on it, damage it so much that it was mortal and still boarded it fast enough to defeat masterchief?
@@Dark_Fusion19 If plot will demand, it will be finished and operational. If not, there won't be Eternity. Given how widely Halo story was jumping in 5 and Infinite, Eternity being finished ship is hardly far fetched.
I think of the Infinity like the HMS Hood. Incredible firepower, good armor, and excellent speed for her time. Largest ship when completed, not completed in time for WW1/Human-Covenant War, and destroyed in a fatal aciddent that really shouldn't have destroyed her.
I spent a good portion of an hour at the edges of the map in Infinite's campaign trying to make out a possible wreck site for Infinity. No dice aside from that dead Guardian, but it did give me the conclusion that if it *had* crashed on 07, it would most certainly be a priority fortification for all warring parties, no matter its state. Does give me hope that it's still out there, though. Also didn't even consider that the Eternity is still a possibility -- thanks, Spacedock! :D
One thing that bothers me about UNSC ships is that the command bridge is put at the front of the ship or in exposed positions with windows. Good examples of this are the Spirit of Fire and Infinity. The command bridge should always be deep inside the ship.
That's one thing the Covenant were smart about with their ship designs. Like the CCS battlecruiser for example, the bridge was deep in the belly of the ship. However, placing the bridge closer to an external surface with windows does come with the benefit of being able to see and navigate with sensors and other electronics offline. I bet if a Covenant ship's outer hull took too much widespread damage, there would be no sensors and whatnot left to relay data and visual input to the bridge since there are no windows
@@jaredevans8263 if you're in visual range, you're already dead. combat in space realistically would happen at ranges of hundreds or thousands of kms. Halo universe is different i guess.
@berkehan4808 you're right about combat ranges, but the benefit of external bridge windows is for navigation, visual awareness and backup utility, not combat. In fact a bridge designed purely with combat in mind would be placed deep in the belly of the ship like the Covenant tend to do. However it puts awareness and navigation purely in the hands of sensors and radar. I think it was Halo First Strike iirc during the Great Schism battle, one of the Covenant ships took damage to one side which knocked out external sensors and made the crew "blind" on that side, unable to track targets or navigate in that direction. That wouldn't be as severe of a problem on UNSC ships because with their external viewports they can still visually see the battle in that direction and make some decisions based on that info. That's why our modern naval ships at sea today still have bridges with many external windows in spite of our ever advancing radar and sensor tech
The Infinity is the ultimate case of "don't put all your eggs in one basket," seriously, they could've built a whole fleet of Autumn-class cruisers and their escorts as opposed to tying down resources with building another one of these and the one they had, sure it was powerful but it could only be in one place and if it got cornered and destroyed by more numerous enemies, as we saw in Halo Infinite, your whole navy is hosed as their most powerful weapon is gone and with it half your fleet's resources.
4 next gen supermacs that were not put onto ODPs, the only forerunner SF drive the UNSC had to study and research bolted on, 18,000 of the UNSC's "best and brightest", 4 years worth of huragoks' time spent on it, crams nearly every spartan 4 the UNSC had into it, built as a colony ship; atrium, internal frigates over more storage space, 10 years worth of time and resources spent designing and building, made of enough titanium to be used on almost 100 Autumn class cruisers. Yes, the Infinity is truly the "culmination of human achievement"(from commissioning ceremony)😁. That got ambushed and pasted in 4 minutes by a banished raid with ships 7 and a 1/2 times less mass and upto an 1/8 its size.😓
Yeah. Compared to forerunner ships. The Fortress class, which is the largest mass produced Forerunner warship. They were 50km long and 10km at their widest. During the war with the flood they were even built twice the size. Mind blowing.
It’s amazing to know that the size of the Infinity was nothing greater than a small frigate in the Forerunner’s fleet. Even smaller than some of the Covenant’s ships.
We need like 10 of these, followed by 8,000 Strident Class frigates with those shields and superior tech, and 2,000 next gen Halcyon Carriers also with shields.
Unlikely. Eternity’s systems were given to the Infinity post Requiem campaign, and the ship itself decommissioned. Those are one of a kind systems, mind you. And obviously, the UNSC isn’t in any state to get their hands on more, being on the run and resorting to SPI armor for S4s
Infinity has the same problem as Daedalus, Prometheus and Star Trek(the show ones) ships - it can do everything better then anyone. Despite not having clear specialization, half the facilities needed for certain roles, lacking required design features and so on. When Star Trek hit videogames, they started spawning dozens of specialized ships with clear roles(whom are sadly undermined by solo ship exploration doctrine of starfleet). Best at everything ever bar none. Eh...
The Daedalus has all those feature because it was a testbed for every alien technology humanity had collected up to that point. It was simply the best at any given point because it's upgraded first. The Infinity is so crazy because it's the first to get Forerunner tech implemented into it. It can afford to up its size because all of it systems and outputs directly scaled with it. Also it started as a colony ship for all of Earth giving it a massive space frame to work w/ that couldn't be justified for other ships when they changed it's role to that of a dedicated warship. Star Fleet is so far ahead of most civilizations in its tech that single ships can fix suns and single handedly repair planets. They literally materialize their basic needs from an endless energy source. Station proximity and layout are also less of a problem when you can teleport massive amount of crew either remotely or together to whatever position they need to be when a battle starts. That said, their overcharge and power conversion systems let them change their ship's specialization on the fly. They can still be overpowered by other vessels, it just takes a lot and those specialized ships have their weakness baked in.
I hate the infinity just cause the logistics make NO fucking sense. But to be fair the infinity has the advantage of a advanced alien reactor powering it.
Another hero ship constructed for Colonization turned into a Multi Role Flagship just like the Spirit of Fire. I really hope we see the Spirit of Fire in mainstream halo game. It would be EPIC to see it and Infinity (If still functioning) in action together. And for the characters to interact like Red and Blue team also Lasky and Cutter. Maybe throw in some RvB jokes in there for old times sake :)
It is a rebuilding period, the losses for the UNSC where on a planetary scale across hundreds of worlds. While Naval rebuilding was certainly a priority in the post-war period, so was rebuilding dozens of important core worlds and key infrastructure to not only regain what was lost, but to prepare for the next major problem and in the Halo universe those are far too common. The Created uprising further pushed back on all these plans as dozens of Human worlds (specifically core worlds) where under lockdown and basically without major technological capabilities for months, until Cortana's destruction and the Guardian lockdown lifted. As of now the UEG and the UNSC, following the end of the Created conflict are in crisis regrouping mode, trying to establish basic governance and communication as fast as possible, while more complex infrastructure and naval buildups will have to wait until basic government services are re established.
The Covenant literally GLASSES every human occupied planet they came across. The loss of life after the war on humanities side is in the trillions, planets in the HUNDREDS. They barely even have a fleet at the end and I'm pretty sure Earth Fleet was the single largest remaining afterwards. You also need to keep in mind in the background is ongoing war between various factions of Post Covenant groups. Part of what the UNSC was doing post war was sowing seeds between these groups so no faction rose up to remake another Covenant movement. Diplomatically they were trying to sure up their alliance with the sanghelios and other groups friendly to humanity. Remember not all groups were happy to be within the Covenant and there was a lot of infighting. The Post War period was even more hectic due to insurgents rising again to throw off UNSC control. Humanity itself was rebuilding Earth and it's defenses. Infinities main role was force projection and showing everyone else that we had become dangerous.
Yes but ONI is weakening the Swords of Sanghelios and other sangheli factions so if they decide to kick humanity’s ass again, they’d be weakened already to do it anyway
My biggest gripe with the UNSC Infinity is that the name is not in the poetic set of ship names. Pillar of Autumn, Forward Unto Dawn, In Amber Clad... Sure, there are plenty of other bland named ships, but they are not usually their game's "hero" ship.
Both the Strident and the Anlace are playable ships in a Roblox game, Project Stardust. Go look it up! It’s a pretty good game for those who like space combat with big ships.
Wasnt really keeping up with the Halo lore when i learned about this ship; i love the idea behind mobile super-bases. So i thought as long as they dont do the Halo thing and crash it... x)
I love the Infinity but i hate how it went down personally. If you were to tell me that the infinity got destroyed by a large banished fleet i would believe it and be happy. If it went down swinging i would have been even happier. But in the battle over Zeta halo the UNSC Infinity and the 6 Mulsanne light frigates that were escorting her got swamped. They got attacked by 4 Banished dreadnoughts (The UNSC Infinity is twice the size of these vessels) and the aftermath of the battle is the Infinity is destroyed, 2 Mulsannes are confirmed to be dead (I assume the others are dead but they may have retreated) and for their losses the UNSC only managed to cripple but not destroy 1 Banished dreadnought. Which just feels underwhelming to me. Again im fine with the Infinity going down(it wouldnt be the first time) but this is the supposed end of a very important and cool vessel. Let alone the fact that this battle only took minutes which would have been nicer if it was a little longer. Maybe if the Infinity had no escort and managed to take out a Dreadnought before it went out i would be happier but as it stands to me its just underwelming for a supposably very powerful ship and it feels like this scene is just here to say "ooooo banished scary" (Which they are you dont need this scene to play out like this to make me think that) What does anybody else think? I like discussing lore with people
Always loved the infinity, hope it will reappear again in the books or game. Liked the fact it was built as humanities only way to survive, should the covenants plans have succeeded. Then turned into the UNSCs main hub, as it was a symbol of humanities ability to survive and adapt.
It wasn't intended as a combat ship at first - it was more of an ark to try and stop humanity from going extinct. But after the war it got turned into the flagship as a display of power and resilience (and to give people something to feel hope in).
they did the infinity dirty in halo infinite, it just died offscreen essentially with no real idea of what its demise looked like and why it even happened with a ship as advanced as it was
@@nickhill1884 we see it get damaged, not destroyed, we have no idea how a ship so advanced could have gotten so easily destroyed other than off screen audio logs
@@JamesBond-fg6bt still look at halo 4 same thing we see a covenant ship get damaged not destroyed or is that any different still I know the unsc is basically nothing at this point
@@thechroniclegamer4285 speaking of which, Spacedock needs to have a remake of the SBY Breakdown, now that we have additional info from 2202 and 2205 :)
So are the crew of the frigates housed in the Infinity or in their respective frigates? I would imagine it would a lot of time to get everyone to the frigate.
We dont even know if the ships were present during the battle at the ring. Could be a contributing factor as to how the infinity was easily destroyed by the banished.
Infinity certainly had bigger and better amenities than the docked frigates, so while it makes sense to have the frigate crews stationed on the frigates themselves, when docked they most likely took heavy use of professional and recreational services Infinity could offer.
I feel like the destruction of the Infinity was done to pave the way for the arrival of the Spirit of Fire in the campaign given we know next to nothing about its fate after Halo Wars 2.
It is still active and fighting the war against the Banished on the Ark. It in fact helped stop the Rings from being fired again just before the start of Infinite.
@@WolfeSaber when the UNSC rams a ship it exploded, when the Yamato did it (I believe it was in 2199) the ship bent and then exploded Overall I think the Yamato will be fine (or it can just use wave motion)
@@thechroniclegamer4285 What is the largest ship the Argo took out without using the main gun? As for ramming, the CCS class armored cruiser the Infinity rammed weighed about 90.7 million metric tons without the shields falling. How much did that frigate weigh before it was rammed?
@@WolfeSaber it was rammed without any shielding Also length doesn’t matter shit when it comes to the fire rate and the Wave Motion gun (also shielding)
@@thechroniclegamer4285 Which ship are you talking about? Also, the Infinity weighs about 907 million metric tons. As for a Covenant cruiser, it takes the energy of a 21 gigaton bomb to take out, two thirds into the shields.
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I think there must be a lore mistake. A normal frigate MAC round is about 9,1m long an weight 600t. That means this round must be around 2,085 m in diameter (if it is pure tungsten). A round from an orbital defense super mac weight around 3000t. The MAC of the USNC Infinity has 27 m bore diameter. If the round is only 1 m long it weights 11000 t. If the length to diamter ratio is the same as the one of the frigate round it would weight around 1,3 Million t. Isn’t that a mistake (a little bit overpowered) compared to the other MACs?
The Infinity will always be remembered as one of the few Halo ships to survive more then 1 game.
Now hold on a..! Oh shit, you’re right.
world record, 2 games holy shit
Spirit of fire survive 2 game too
Mainly due to the fact that one of the Keyes family wasn’t in command
Add the Shadow of Intent as well
Seeing the Infinity plow through a Covenant cruiser will NEVER get old.
Seeing as how the Covenant consistently had the advantage in naval warfare for decades, it was honestly pretty cathartic to get a piece of that pie.
Yeah
Atriox : I'm about to end this ship's career..😂
And then a Banished ship plows through the Infinity.
The Infinity is the Enterprise of Halo. I wish we could have seen more of it in that role.
If only the infinity was actually as likable as the enterprise lol.
I think "The Spirit of Fire" fits that role quite a bit better. The Infinity is more like the Excelsior.
Never got that into the infinity. The phoenix and marathon classes are my favorites.
They do jack sqaut with the infinity. Even the name is annoying and arrogant. Such wasted potential.
@@midnightfenrir do the ship names even follow some kind of theme? The only ones that kind of make sense are "spirit of fire" and "forward unto dawn." Even ship names in the same class are all over the place, some marathon cruisers: "hannibal," "leviathan," "prophecy," "say my name," and "io."
I love how Infinity loses due to the typical danger that would be realistically faced by massive, dreadnought-style warships: being caught without an escort fleet and outmaneuvered by numerous smaller vessels. There's a fun bit of realism in that.
It really should never be completely without an escort, as it carries 10 frigates as part of its standard compliment.
@@ninboy01 they still take time to deploy… it’s like saying an aircraft carrier is invulnerable because of its air wing…
@@Zadrias6386 And that is even assuming she still had her 10 frigates docked. The Conflict could forced her to release them to be deployed elsewhere. Stridents are next gen heavy frigates, and the Anlace works best as a ECM.
No there was definitely some escorts with the infinity for example the 6 mulsanne class frigates that crashed
@@DarkVargas-yv7qp True, but it was probably just not enough ships, and not in position to help Infinity in time.
The fact that she can carry 10 frigates INSIDE of her and deploy them in a very cool way singlehandedly makes her one of the most badass spaceships in the history for me
Its not unique to the infinity. Other series have done the same thing.
@@robertharris6092 name a few then?
I think it's so ridiculously stupid and a complete waste of internal space, sure have a repair bay to house at the most 2 damaged frigates for repairs and refit, great idea but clamping 10 of them inside is so stupid
@@thehypest6118 when your ship is 5 km long, there is no such thing as "waste of space" 😎
@@thehypest6118 When an enemy fleet is focus firing on one ship alone it takes more damage and is harder to fight back. Have ten frigates maneuvering through the enemy fleet and flanking them prevents them from focusing mainly on the infinity.
For all the faults 343's Halos have, Infinity isn't one of them. Such a damn cool ship.
a ship that has little ships in it (I say little but they're like half a kilometer long or so)
Its literaly just a punic class that was somehow built in a few years when ships of that size would take a decade to build.
Actually It is one more garbage for the toxic fanboy community who are still living in 2007 playing Halo 3
@@robertharris6092 it helps a lot when you were building 2 then only deciding to build one halfway through and gutting the other to finish the first. It also helps when it will become humanity's last hope
@@robertharris6092 According to lore they'd been building it since sometime around the 2530's.
God i love the Strident Class of frigates. A capable escort, a battle line suited warship and can surely operate on its own as a forward deployed/recon/patrol vessel. Plus it just looks mean.
Stridents are super cool, big fan of the details in its design with its enormous weapons with limited ammo, or the yet-to-be-installed shields. Adds some nice flavour.
- hoojiwana from Spacedock
They never grew on me. They look like flying light rifles and I think the old frigate designs were cooler.
@@idontwanttoputmyname403 i guess im a product of my times, i got into Halo with 4 so thats the frigates that caught my eye first rather than the Paris and such, cool ships too not going to lie
What do you think of the mulsanne class frigates from infinite??
@@DarkVargas-yv7qp if you ask me, its a cool update to the classics
So many of us are going to be so upset if they reveal the Infinity actually was destroyed. However when the Chief scans for her on his Pelican the ship A.I. claims it's "Not Found", as in even wreckage isn't present.
Because Zeta isn’t in the same location. Either it’s on the ring, destroyed or heavily damaged, and it’s beacon isn’t working/on, or it’s not in range. Because it’s not with the ring
That or all the wreckage in the first mission is the Infinity
In my opinion I feel like the infinity just crashed into the ring
Or in too small pieces to even have working transponders
@@CMTechnica Unlikely. There would be a LOT of wreckage, more than the Banished could melt down and fabricate into bases within 6 months. That and assuming Infinity was destroyed its reactors would have left NOTHING in the system. No Banished fleet, no Zeta Halo, nothing. Remember the Autumn's destruction tore Alpha Halo apart and the Infinity is roughly 3.5 times larger.
Standard Hollywood rules apply here. If you didn't see the body, they ain't dead.
this ship's construction would have been a nightmare.
construction began as a colonization vessel before the war and shifted to being a state of the art warship completed after the war, using technology discovered after the ship was started in all of its primary systems.
IRL that's actually a problem for older models of destroyers using modern software for things like CWIS since some of them were made in the 90s and they won't swap out the hardware unless absolutely necessary to save cost and the tech specialists need to integrate the old and new hardware which would be a nightmare
Yep that's engineering in a nutshell. Problems? Yes. Solutions? Give me a minute.
The Eternity didn't have it much better, it got a lot of parts taken from it during construction because the Infinity needed repairs. And I don't think the Created and Banished jumping into the mix helped much
Having the Huragok around is probably the only reason the ship got finished in time at all, if not for their otherworldly engineering capabilities, the infinity might have never been finished.
May the UNSC Infinity either be found, or put to rest.
I’d personally prefer it remain scrap.
It's dead. Halo Infinity destroyed the UNSC (not Marathon of) Infinity
We will never know until they show it plus we do have the incompleted sister ship of the infinty, the eternity.
@@Marinealver Except it didn't. If it did, it happen offscreen and just as much could be retconned, but there is nothing to be retconned since Infinity was never stated or showcased to be destroyed anyway.
How bout we make another
Imagine needing ten and a half minutes to breakdown the Infinity
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Took me a moment to catch on to the joke, well played
Imagine having your flagship destroyed by a single Spartan with a shotgun and a former logistical AI
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Is it wrong that I read this in an Unggoy propagandist voice?
@@TheVincentKyle It is very, very right.
The banished are a covenant rip off the infinity should’ve been destroyed by a guardian not a rinky dink ships
I really hope the Infinity wasn't destroyed, only heavily damaged. I'm waiting for the moment when Roland arrives with the infinity and kicks the Banisheds ass for scratching his ship/body.
Even with the amount of fire they put into it, the thing is still 5 klicks long give or take. Sheer size helps in stuff like this.
I'm hoping for a Warthog Run inside the damaged Infinity
Why? There wasn’t anything particularly interesting about it. All the Infinity had going for it was that it was just straight up better than Covenant ships. No clever design, no particular things that gave it an edge. It’s basically a ten year old’s idea of development. It’s bigger, more durable, faster, and has more powerful guns. Infinity is a Mary Sue ship.
@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ glad I not the only the one who saw the infinity for what it truly was
@@ZZMonkeysUncleZZ their were a couple cool features about it
The ability to drop fire-bases .
Frigate carrying
It’d be nice if 343 got someone to make a space combat game with all these ships. Space combat is one of the more interesting things about the universe but it’s been left on the table.
Sins of the Prothets mod for Sins of a Solar Empire is pretty good fill for that niche, you should check it out.
@@spyro563 thanks for the rec. I’ll do that. SoSE: Rebellion was on my list as well
343 watered down and messed up Halo for good
There are some mods for Empire at War
Small covenant fleet vs a large human fleet would seem nice.
I'd not heard of the Anlace before, and it seems pretty cool, isn't the design at odds with how almost every UNSC ship seems to be able to just hover in mid air though? While within an atmosphere?
Only Frigates are rated for Atmosphere. Anything larger requires rocket boosters like what you see attached to the Autumn in the last level of Halo: Reach.
It’s probably capable of atmospheric flight due to its forerunner drive system.
@@MikMoen unless I'm mistaken, the Autumn could hover in mid air, but it couldn't land and take off again without those rocket booster thingies.
@@ledocteur7701 nope. The Halcyon class was fully incapable of hovering. It’s explained in the Fall of Reach that the class was semi capable of *landing*, poorly, which is how the PoA was moored planetside in the final act of Halo Reach. Getting out of planetary gravity was impossible without the expensive boosters that lifted it to the right angle for planetary exit. The only reason PoA was on Reach itself instead of orbit was because it needed an extensive refit, and well, orbital docks were among the first targets hit by the Covenant
@@CMTechnica oh okay, in that case the cutscene wasn't really.. physic approved.
sure angling definitely helps and is necessary to get the slightest change of taking off, but the Autumn didn't build up nearly enough forward moment and most importantly wasn't nearly angled enough before the boosters detached in order to keep going.
without any cutscene magic or hovering capacity it should have just instantly crashed back down into the ground.
it would have worked with the Autumn taking off vertically, that way no need for massive single use boosters, and you got the full thrust of the engines to take off, whish should be plenty.
it did look epic tho.
If they destroyed the Infinity like this I am going to be very annoyed, I love this ship. Am really hoping she can be salvaged and relaunched as otherwise they did this ship dirty.
Don’t worry we still have it’s sister ship the eternity even though it’s incomplete
@@DarkVargas-yv7qp eternity doesnt exist anymore. Her parts were used to fix up the infinity. So unfortunately for OP its dead.
@@everythingsalright1121 Its modular components; the ship was still under proper construction last we heard.
Basically the UNSC took what they intended for her and sent it to Infinity instead, but continued onwards with the rest of the Eternity as standard.
It’s not lore accurate how they destroyed the infinity a guardian should’ve destroy not a rip off covenant faction
@@Thememelord134 exactly, really feels cheap to say that the most powerfull ship in the universe got destroyed within mere minutes and it happens 99% of screen.
Like how did they get the drop on it, damage it so much that it was mortal and still boarded it fast enough to defeat masterchief?
Let's get Humanity's flagship back in an eventual season in Infinite.
In how many pieces?
Don’t forget that there is the eternity the sister ship of infinity but it’s not complete
@@DarkVargas-yv7qp I'll be surprised, if it's even finished, since she had to be stripped for the Infinity refit.
@@Dark_Fusion19 If plot will demand, it will be finished and operational. If not, there won't be Eternity. Given how widely Halo story was jumping in 5 and Infinite, Eternity being finished ship is hardly far fetched.
@@ReichLife Never said it was far fetched. Just that it's been under construction for years and only referenced because of Infinity.
I seriously hope the UNSC Eternity can make an appearance. Maybe coming to the aid of The Spirit of Fire
The Eternity should only, ONLY -- please, PLEASE 343 -- make it's debut side by side with the Infinity
@@remyschrader9286 and BOTH of them showing up to help the Spirit of Fire.
Can you imagine Cutter's face?
@@michaelgreenwood3413 and Eternity some ONI project with massive forerunner upgrades
Yeah that would be awsome
@@remyschrader9286 didn't the infinity get destroyed in infinite though? by ramming the ring to stop the banished firing it? or am I confused
I think of the Infinity like the HMS Hood. Incredible firepower, good armor, and excellent speed for her time. Largest ship when completed, not completed in time for WW1/Human-Covenant War, and destroyed in a fatal aciddent that really shouldn't have destroyed her.
The hood had piss poor armor.
@@robertharris6092 actually hoods armor had the equivalent of the queen elizabeths belt
bismarcks shell was incredibly lucky
I love how it’s so big it carries frigates like an Aircraft Carrier carried planes
ODST ‘Drop’ Battalion is kinda like saying PIN Number is it not?
Same with MAC cannon
or ATM machine
@@vod1165 usually people just call it "the mac" atleast in game/movie/show.
Y’all forgot to mention that she carry’s several NOVA nuclear weapons. Also, I could’ve sworn that several Huragok/Engineers were part of her crew…
At least a dozen Huragok yes.
Nova nukes where is that mentioned. Each of those nukes can destroy a planet
@@matterwhat250 unfortunately I can’t remember, sorry
It's noticeable to remember that in orbit of Earth still laids the remains of the Mantle's Approach... and with it, also it's hyperdrive core.
Ah yes the UNSC Infinity, humanity’s big stick.
Finally! A ship breakdown that deserves it!
I spent a good portion of an hour at the edges of the map in Infinite's campaign trying to make out a possible wreck site for Infinity. No dice aside from that dead Guardian, but it did give me the conclusion that if it *had* crashed on 07, it would most certainly be a priority fortification for all warring parties, no matter its state.
Does give me hope that it's still out there, though. Also didn't even consider that the Eternity is still a possibility -- thanks, Spacedock! :D
Imagine having both.
Bloody Hell the Halo 4 OST is amazing
Aw yeah unsc infinite let's go!!!! (Ps I love your videos keep up the good work bro)
One thing that bothers me about UNSC ships is that the command bridge is put at the front of the ship or in exposed positions with windows. Good examples of this are the Spirit of Fire and Infinity. The command bridge should always be deep inside the ship.
That's one thing the Covenant were smart about with their ship designs. Like the CCS battlecruiser for example, the bridge was deep in the belly of the ship. However, placing the bridge closer to an external surface with windows does come with the benefit of being able to see and navigate with sensors and other electronics offline. I bet if a Covenant ship's outer hull took too much widespread damage, there would be no sensors and whatnot left to relay data and visual input to the bridge since there are no windows
@@jaredevans8263 if you're in visual range, you're already dead. combat in space realistically would happen at ranges of hundreds or thousands of kms. Halo universe is different i guess.
@berkehan4808 you're right about combat ranges, but the benefit of external bridge windows is for navigation, visual awareness and backup utility, not combat. In fact a bridge designed purely with combat in mind would be placed deep in the belly of the ship like the Covenant tend to do. However it puts awareness and navigation purely in the hands of sensors and radar. I think it was Halo First Strike iirc during the Great Schism battle, one of the Covenant ships took damage to one side which knocked out external sensors and made the crew "blind" on that side, unable to track targets or navigate in that direction. That wouldn't be as severe of a problem on UNSC ships because with their external viewports they can still visually see the battle in that direction and make some decisions based on that info. That's why our modern naval ships at sea today still have bridges with many external windows in spite of our ever advancing radar and sensor tech
The Infinity is the ultimate case of "don't put all your eggs in one basket," seriously, they could've built a whole fleet of Autumn-class cruisers and their escorts as opposed to tying down resources with building another one of these and the one they had, sure it was powerful but it could only be in one place and if it got cornered and destroyed by more numerous enemies, as we saw in Halo Infinite, your whole navy is hosed as their most powerful weapon is gone and with it half your fleet's resources.
4 next gen supermacs that were not put onto ODPs, the only forerunner SF drive the UNSC had to study and research bolted on, 18,000 of the UNSC's "best and brightest", 4 years worth of huragoks' time spent on it, crams nearly every spartan 4 the UNSC had into it, built as a colony ship; atrium, internal frigates over more storage space, 10 years worth of time and resources spent designing and building, made of enough titanium to be used on almost 100 Autumn class cruisers.
Yes, the Infinity is truly the "culmination of human achievement"(from commissioning ceremony)😁.
That got ambushed and pasted in 4 minutes by a banished raid with ships 7 and a 1/2 times less mass and upto an 1/8 its size.😓
the timing of this is Impeccable, I had just looked at the Infinity wiki for an question I had when this appeared on my recommended.
Absolutely adore how the art team went realistic. Glad they are keeping that idea in Halo!
You tube literally suggested this to me after watching the Installation 00 breakdown, but i still watched it
I like how a super carrier now is just a tiny frigate in the future!
Yeah. Compared to forerunner ships. The Fortress class, which is the largest mass produced Forerunner warship. They were 50km long and 10km at their widest. During the war with the flood they were even built twice the size. Mind blowing.
It’s amazing to know that the size of the Infinity was nothing greater than a small frigate in the Forerunner’s fleet. Even smaller than some of the Covenant’s ships.
Other than star destroyers, this ship has the most breakdown videos I've seen so far
This is an amazing dive into the cannon and lore of both Halo and the Infinity. Well done sir!
Thank you for this...ever since you did the ring I've been waiting for this.
Shield piercing rounds, that sounds like a major game changer for the unsc. I like it.
We need like 10 of these, followed by 8,000 Strident Class frigates with those shields and superior tech, and 2,000 next gen Halcyon Carriers also with shields.
Hmm, wonder if the Infinity is truly lost, Humanity could continue on with the unfinished Eternity Supercarrier instead...
Unlikely. Eternity’s systems were given to the Infinity post Requiem campaign, and the ship itself decommissioned. Those are one of a kind systems, mind you. And obviously, the UNSC isn’t in any state to get their hands on more, being on the run and resorting to SPI armor for S4s
@@CMTechnica you referring to Rakshasa? Its still mjolnir im pretty sure not SPI, though there may be some modularity overlap
I want to believe that the UNSC infinity survived the attack from the Banished.
1 OP Lol kill all supercarrier vs a few rammy dreadnought bois.
Glory to monke.
Whoever came up with the infinity saw battlestar galactica (rdm) and said "how could we do *this* but better?"
To put in perspective just how massive this ship was, it was about the size of the Covenant super carrier that was over Reach.
Rip infinity what a beauty she was
1:50
Iom from the outer galaxy: *proud father noise*
Beautifully done video.
I would combine the best qualities of this ship with the Daedalus class from Stargate SG-1.
I hope to see more infinity class carriers potentially with even bigger and better engines and proper protection from ambushed
Love how every ship is big in Halo. Even the UNSC frigates are bigger than the Enterprise and Ford class carriers.
Its realistic. Bigger ships are far more efficient. Likely when we dtart making proper intersteller ships theyll be similar in size.
@@robertharris6092 not if your at war, Even in real life the biggest threat to a Navy Dreadnought is a tiny Dinghy rigged with explosives
What an interesting design.
Infinity has the same problem as Daedalus, Prometheus and Star Trek(the show ones) ships - it can do everything better then anyone. Despite not having clear specialization, half the facilities needed for certain roles, lacking required design features and so on. When Star Trek hit videogames, they started spawning dozens of specialized ships with clear roles(whom are sadly undermined by solo ship exploration doctrine of starfleet). Best at everything ever bar none. Eh...
The Daedalus has all those feature because it was a testbed for every alien technology humanity had collected up to that point. It was simply the best at any given point because it's upgraded first. The Infinity is so crazy because it's the first to get Forerunner tech implemented into it. It can afford to up its size because all of it systems and outputs directly scaled with it. Also it started as a colony ship for all of Earth giving it a massive space frame to work w/ that couldn't be justified for other ships when they changed it's role to that of a dedicated warship.
Star Fleet is so far ahead of most civilizations in its tech that single ships can fix suns and single handedly repair planets. They literally materialize their basic needs from an endless energy source. Station proximity and layout are also less of a problem when you can teleport massive amount of crew either remotely or together to whatever position they need to be when a battle starts. That said, their overcharge and power conversion systems let them change their ship's specialization on the fly. They can still be overpowered by other vessels, it just takes a lot and those specialized ships have their weakness baked in.
@@CtisGaming This^
@@CtisGaming even the non-specialized Mary Sue ships like the Galaxy class have their weaknesses baked in. Looking at you, starboard power coupling!
I hate the infinity just cause the logistics make NO fucking sense. But to be fair the infinity has the advantage of a advanced alien reactor powering it.
@@CtisGaming where does anything say its a colony ship? Everything i see says it was purpose built and kept top secret from the start.
Another hero ship constructed for Colonization turned into a Multi Role Flagship just like the Spirit of Fire. I really hope we see the Spirit of Fire in mainstream halo game. It would be EPIC to see it and Infinity (If still functioning) in action together. And for the characters to interact like Red and Blue team also Lasky and Cutter. Maybe throw in some RvB jokes in there for old times sake :)
God bless this ship. I hate what Halo Infinite did to her.
Hooj has done it again!
SF作品の宇宙船の中で一番好きな船だからフォアランナーテクノロジーとかでパワーアップして復活してほしい。
Personally I find exceedingly strange that the UNSC, seemingly lacked funding post war, focusing more on diplomacy then national defence?
It is a rebuilding period, the losses for the UNSC where on a planetary scale across hundreds of worlds.
While Naval rebuilding was certainly a priority in the post-war period, so was rebuilding dozens of important core worlds and key infrastructure to not only regain what was lost, but to prepare for the next major problem and in the Halo universe those are far too common.
The Created uprising further pushed back on all these plans as dozens of Human worlds (specifically core worlds) where under lockdown and basically without major technological capabilities for months, until Cortana's destruction and the Guardian lockdown lifted.
As of now the UEG and the UNSC, following the end of the Created conflict are in crisis regrouping mode, trying to establish basic governance and communication as fast as possible, while more complex infrastructure and naval buildups will have to wait until basic government services are re established.
The Covenant literally GLASSES every human occupied planet they came across. The loss of life after the war on humanities side is in the trillions, planets in the HUNDREDS. They barely even have a fleet at the end and I'm pretty sure Earth Fleet was the single largest remaining afterwards.
You also need to keep in mind in the background is ongoing war between various factions of Post Covenant groups. Part of what the UNSC was doing post war was sowing seeds between these groups so no faction rose up to remake another Covenant movement. Diplomatically they were trying to sure up their alliance with the sanghelios and other groups friendly to humanity.
Remember not all groups were happy to be within the Covenant and there was a lot of infighting. The Post War period was even more hectic due to insurgents rising again to throw off UNSC control.
Humanity itself was rebuilding Earth and it's defenses. Infinities main role was force projection and showing everyone else that we had become dangerous.
Yes but ONI is weakening the Swords of Sanghelios and other sangheli factions so if they decide to kick humanity’s ass again, they’d be weakened already to do it anyway
Long Live UNSC For Mankind
My biggest gripe with the UNSC Infinity is that the name is not in the poetic set of ship names.
Pillar of Autumn, Forward Unto Dawn, In Amber Clad...
Sure, there are plenty of other bland named ships, but they are not usually their game's "hero" ship.
Some offscreen UNSC ships like Say My Name and Two For Flinching are poetic IMO
UNSC Do you feel lucky? Is probably one of my favourite shipnames
Pillar of autumn >
6:23 everybody gangsta 'till UNSC Frigates start glassing surfaces
i want to see the dreadnought escorted by these like they're frigates
mac cannons fire metal slugs
343: hurr durr laser go pew pew
Both the Strident and the Anlace are playable ships in a Roblox game, Project Stardust. Go look it up! It’s a pretty good game for those who like space combat with big ships.
Holy crap. That's not a ship, it's a mobile city in space. The Kushan approve!
Wasnt really keeping up with the Halo lore when i learned about this ship; i love the idea behind mobile super-bases. So i thought as long as they dont do the Halo thing and crash it... x)
I love the Infinity but i hate how it went down personally. If you were to tell me that the infinity got destroyed by a large banished fleet i would believe it and be happy. If it went down swinging i would have been even happier. But in the battle over Zeta halo the UNSC Infinity and the 6 Mulsanne light frigates that were escorting her got swamped. They got attacked by 4 Banished dreadnoughts (The UNSC Infinity is twice the size of these vessels) and the aftermath of the battle is the Infinity is destroyed, 2 Mulsannes are confirmed to be dead (I assume the others are dead but they may have retreated) and for their losses the UNSC only managed to cripple but not destroy 1 Banished dreadnought. Which just feels underwhelming to me. Again im fine with the Infinity going down(it wouldnt be the first time) but this is the supposed end of a very important and cool vessel. Let alone the fact that this battle only took minutes which would have been nicer if it was a little longer. Maybe if the Infinity had no escort and managed to take out a Dreadnought before it went out i would be happier but as it stands to me its just underwelming for a supposably very powerful ship and it feels like this scene is just here to say "ooooo banished scary" (Which they are you dont need this scene to play out like this to make me think that)
What does anybody else think? I like discussing lore with people
I understand none of Halo, but these are good entertainment. Pretty much just brain candy, and it works great
I want Halo Wars… in Space! GALACTIC CONQUEST!!!!
Can you make video about Thanatos class Battleship pls from what i read it say thanatos was build to protect infinity
Adding superluminal communications to halo was a mistake that IIRC only came about because Traviss was used to writing star wars
Always loved the infinity, hope it will reappear again in the books or game. Liked the fact it was built as humanities only way to survive, should the covenants plans have succeeded. Then turned into the UNSCs main hub, as it was a symbol of humanities ability to survive and adapt.
5.5 km almost seems too small for everything on board. But I guess it's height and width would allow for the needed space.
The Infinity and its destruction by The Banished show the folly of the "Big Ship" mentallity
It wasn't intended as a combat ship at first - it was more of an ark to try and stop humanity from going extinct. But after the war it got turned into the flagship as a display of power and resilience (and to give people something to feel hope in).
they did the infinity dirty in halo infinite, it just died offscreen essentially with no real idea of what its demise looked like and why it even happened with a ship as advanced as it was
Not really halo infinite beginning start's of with the infinity being destroyed.
@@nickhill1884 we see it get damaged, not destroyed, we have no idea how a ship so advanced could have gotten so easily destroyed other than off screen audio logs
@@JamesBond-fg6bt still look at halo 4 same thing we see a covenant ship get damaged not destroyed or is that any different still I know the unsc is basically nothing at this point
Better than "Mamchild-00s content™"
Man it survives all the godlike civilisations and it just dies to the Vanished to make a cool cinematic at the start of a game
Video idea: all sci fi iconic capital ships ranked
The Space Battleship Yamato would be on top
I meant like one his uss enterprise ranking or his Unsc hero ship rankings
@@orcaman1353 ah
@@thechroniclegamer4285 speaking of which, Spacedock needs to have a remake of the SBY Breakdown, now that we have additional info from 2202 and 2205 :)
@@ethangavrilmoreno8479 there’s a 2205?
Excellent breakdown.
There she is!!!! The Infinity is the Queen of all UNSC ships and I do not care what SD or anyone else says about her.
Space Bismarck
I would love to see the whole ROBOTECH storyline redone with Halo animation....
Really wish we could see the Anlaces in action.
We need to see this in the paramount plus series bruv.. But I want to believe that it's a prequel to reach...
Look Sara Pamer, I want a part of this.
FOUR MINUTES!!!!! War Chief Escharum
You guys did the impossible and made the infinity seem actually pretty cool.
The Ininity has always been cool, if over powered. The original commander Del Rio is a dick though.
So are the crew of the frigates housed in the Infinity or in their respective frigates? I would imagine it would a lot of time to get everyone to the frigate.
We dont even know if the ships were present during the battle at the ring. Could be a contributing factor as to how the infinity was easily destroyed by the banished.
@@unpaintedarmy What? I'm talking about in general.
Infinity certainly had bigger and better amenities than the docked frigates, so while it makes sense to have the frigate crews stationed on the frigates themselves, when docked they most likely took heavy use of professional and recreational services Infinity could offer.
@@btrando1 the frigates were only about 300 meters so I would surmise that they would be stationed within the infinity.
@@unpaintedarmy the analace that is, the stridents were not 300m but around 500
I wonder if in the frigates their just hanging there upside down or does the frigates gravity overpower the infinities
I love this ship. prob my favorite ship
Can't believe you have not done a video of the Andromeda yet..
Call me WHATEVER. I love our Earth, but I long to live on a spacestation... 😔💙💯
can you breakdown the yukikaze from space battleship yamato?
We deserved to see more or Infinity… what a waste to destroy it that way.
I'd always thought that the idea of single-ship deployment as something born out of sheer delusion of grandeur and or massive incompetence.
I feel like the destruction of the Infinity was done to pave the way for the arrival of the Spirit of Fire in the campaign given we know next to nothing about its fate after Halo Wars 2.
It is still active and fighting the war against the Banished on the Ark. It in fact helped stop the Rings from being fired again just before the start of Infinite.
I kinda prefer humanity as an underdog, this is cool and all though
What will it take for you guys to do Starcraft stuffs ?
Virgin UNSC Infinity vs Chad Space Battleship Yamato
The Infinity's size alone would be to much for the Space cruiser Argo.
@@WolfeSaber when the UNSC rams a ship it exploded, when the Yamato did it (I believe it was in 2199) the ship bent and then exploded
Overall I think the Yamato will be fine (or it can just use wave motion)
@@thechroniclegamer4285 What is the largest ship the Argo took out without using the main gun?
As for ramming, the CCS class armored cruiser the Infinity rammed weighed about 90.7 million metric tons without the shields falling. How much did that frigate weigh before it was rammed?
@@WolfeSaber it was rammed without any shielding
Also length doesn’t matter shit when it comes to the fire rate and the Wave Motion gun (also shielding)
@@thechroniclegamer4285 Which ship are you talking about?
Also, the Infinity weighs about 907 million metric tons. As for a Covenant cruiser, it takes the energy of a 21 gigaton bomb to take out, two thirds into the shields.