Thank's for this great review. Now I have all the information I was looking for. This will be my next car cause I use it more than 300 days on pure electric (daily charging) and for the remaining time of the Year the consumption is definitely acceptable.
I think this car only make sense if you charge everyday at home in order to make 60-80 km without gas and then the consumption it will be lower when you look the total of km you did
Yes, but this version allows you to make a long trip one day without visit charging stations. Most of the days you will use EV mode and some day you can use the normal mode consuming 8 litres, but this is the exception not your daily experience. Some people understand you will consum 8 litres every day and thats wrong @@1sti
Well, yes. It would suit me perfectly, in theory, if it were offered in my area. My commute is about 60km. I would plug in every night and be ready fully charged every morning, on very cheap electricity. When I want to do an occasional longer trip, then the generator is there. No, it's not as efficient as other hybrids or even small gas cars, but the vast majority of the time, the 60km is perfect. If you are regularly doing trips longer than 60km, then choose a different car.
Definitely only makes sense if you can charge at one side of your daily commute. Surprised my Yaris Cross hybrid usually does 4.5 - 5.5 L/100 km without charging, so there are obvious downsides to using this form of hybrid vehicle without having the daily plug access....
i have been driving my mx-30 gasoline for more than 3 years. I have no complaints. But I am selling it...because I am buying the new mx-30 R-EV version. My wife is not mad because she drives my car too for those short trips she needs to get around the city.
Excellent review. Most people just don't understand this car. You have to have a bit of intelligence, an understanding of engineering principles and it helps to be a fan of the Wankel engine. Others, just rent yourselves a Chinese EV.
Mazda must have incorporated an extremely well designed Battery Management System, to ensure that small “eco conscious” 17.8kWh battery will last a very long time indeed, if they’re limiting energy depletion levels to about 40% minimum. I’m not sure how much range would be available if a prospective buyer kept the usable range of charging and energy usage between 40% and 80%. Personally, I was banking on exploiting the battery range realistically between 20% and 80% charging and preferred energy usage range - if you understand what I mean. I would program the BMS not to allow the battery to drop below 20% (invoking the Rotary Range Extender to hold the charge at 20% or even charge it up to 40%) and would then charge it on a home charger to no more than 80% to prolong the longevity of the traction battery. I approximately calculated 42 miles of range (in ideal conditions like summer of course - not utilising HVAC) if utilising only between 20% to 80% of the battery’s charge at most. I’m not sure what range 40% to 80% of the battery charge would give, but my round trip commute is presently 32 miles (UK) daily. I’d wager that the Rotary Range Extender would still kick in occasionally, despite being in EV mode; I would want it to when powering up hills and flyovers on the daily commute. And I know it would still get me home if I exhausted my chosen exploitable battery range above. I could live with the fuel cost - it’s worth it, methinks! Thank you for a great video.
You can set the charge level to a lower minimium if desired. This is the default setting. Even at the default setting and fully charging at home would give you 60 battery capacity. I usually do about 16 km a day. So would suit me for daily drives and fuel for the occasional long trip of 300 km
Thank you for this evaluation. It appears inefficient to utilize it on petrol ⛽️ 😢If the consumption were approximately 6, it would be considered acceptable. The car is aesthetically pleasing, and I trust Mazda will enhance it in the future.❤
Most of them are good cruisers, but not the CX-30 with 180 HP/PS engine. I drive the automatic version now for 3 years and it gets disturbing loud while excelerating above 130 km/h. The most annoying thing is when the automatic transmission shifts down to accelerate 5 km/h using cruise control (between 120 and 160 km/h). This happens so often on German highways. Even co-drivers have often said "wow 😳, what's your car doing there". In two weeks I will get my MX-30 R-EV (company car). But I will definitely no longer have problems with noise above 140 😅
Love the design, the build quality, the quietness (full EV version), the awesome interior, the way it drives and Mazda as a company BUT this is an oddball that makes my head hurt but my heart sing. It ticks boxes that shouldn't exist and the rotary is (regardless of development) very inefficient. I'm conflicted as Mazda goes against convention and i respect them for that but as a package it's just weird and ten years too late. I would definitely but a full EV version for local trips and 100% buy it with the Skyactive engine like is Asia. Dan love your videos mate, keep it up.
You started your test with the battery half capacity. So the Wankel needs to work more in order to keep it at 40-50%; if you would have started with the battery at 100% you would have consumed less, because the combustion engine had to work less at the beginning (in the first 20/25 kilometers).
Please start with more than 80% battery charge. Furthermore, you were mentioning consumption numbers during the test but for the duration of the video the battery level and fuel level barely moved. It really feels like reviewers (not just you) are struggling to get their heads around the reality of how this car is managing the battery level with the range extender.
I think to get the best consumption figures, you can try running the car under EV mode and just let the Wankel engine do its thing if it's needed. You should probably start at a low charge of 40% and let it go down with EV mode so we can figure out its hybrid mode consumption. But in theory this is technically the same setup as what you did in this video, but instead of 20% charge it stayed at 50%. So I guess you just have to drive it for a longer distance and more time. Some other videos report that it can hold 20% battery power under EV mode, but their ambient temperatures (5-10C) are a bit higher than your negative temperatures' haha, it probably protects the battery by charging it more because of the extreme cold.
Isn't it only EV mode and when it drops below certain procent is recharges with the wankel motor which consumes gasolin? The Wankle enginge it self doesn't provide energy/power to the car, only charges the battery :D
@@KrisW3B Technically it's always in EV mode but IIRC he forced it to always keep the battery topped up. Although it won't really get more efficient than that anyways since the wankel engine is inherently inefficient compared to say a basic prius engine, it's only advantage is size and weight so if you have enough space you should just put a basic 3/4 cylinder engine instead.
off course because this uses the gas gazzling wankel engine, but this system is better than e-power where the ice engine runs all the time and no cheap plug ins, so this mazda will be cheeper to run..
Its a car to use in electric mode most of the days, no gas. Only that day you want to drive more you can do it with a consum of 7-8 litres. If you do more than 80 km every day is not your car
Only reason to buy this car is for the looks. It uses as much electricity as a normal EV and on top of that uses as much fuel as a normal combustion engine car.
Bro when someone rides on the left lane on the round about you can enter it, it bleed my eyes to see you keep waiting for entire runabout to be free to engage.
7/8 l is not fine in mixed envoirement. my cx-5 from 2015 does the same xD regular 2.0 gasoline engine and automatic gearbox 4x4. Probably after5000km better consumption and probably in higher temperature better consumption is pure copium. This is the consumption and that's it. 1l/100km on their website is pure joke. What you can do i load car to 100% from outlet and test the pure ev distance plus consuption afterwards, so that people can see if it's even worth the purchase for this technology, will it save any money in the longterm if you buy this to accomoday your daily needs of let's say 60km/day.
This car is very badly thought out. The most uneconomical least reliable combustion engine linked to a very small battery and quite low powered electric motor. Also it seems quite noisy has a cramped cabin and is expensive.
This car makes no sense when you can buy a car like the Honda Civic E-hev which has better performance and is a lot more economical, especially over longer distances.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the Honda is a much sleeker classier-looking car though I think the Mazda is nice also. I nearly bought one until I found out how thirsty it was on longer journeys.@@jambosalad
But……the Honda doesn’t look as exciting as the MX-30 R-EV. This Mazda reminds me of a Corellian Shipyards YT-1300 (a.k.a. the Millennium Falcon). The shape, the front lateral mandibles incorporated into the design, the unique Wankel Rotary propulsion system……and the porthole like rear door windows. I’m getting a Star Wars cargo freighter vibe from this Crossover SUV Coupe Cruiser. You buy this because you want something radically different from what is being offered by other manufacturers. The Honda HEV will probably feel like an appliance on wheels. Ditto with the new Toyota CHR. I used to own and drive a Mazda MX-3 Coupe. An ellipsoid shaped flying saucer on wheels. It looked so dramatic just standing still, and it always turned heads as you drove down the road. I owned that car for 8.5 years - it gave me no trouble. I got rid of it only because of stringent emissions legislation in London UK, and I still miss it. Like the MX-30, it was a relatively rare sight. I recall not seeing another MX-3 for a whole month after I’d bought it. Mazda’s MX series vehicles never disappoint - and neither does the MX-30 R-EV. By the way, running the R-EV in -3c weather, with the HVAC cranked up to 22c in the cabin will certainly deplete the battery quickly and cause the Rotary Range Extender to work hard to compensate for the HVAC energy drain. Even in my ancient Prius Hybrid, I dress warm in winter and keep heating at no more than 18c (normally 17c) in the cabin - what I refer to as “minimal life support”. This saves energy considerably. I’d say the economy readings under those circumstances are actually impressive, though you would have got better results if you had started your test with a full battery, to simulate a true round commute trip, otherwise, thank you for this great video review.
@@datathunderstorm Looks are subjective, in every dynamic the Civic is the better car it is much faster handles better and in real-world driving is more economical. I guarantee on a 150-mile trip my Honda will be a hell of a lot better on fuel than the Mazda unless you do short distances and can charge at home the Mazda makes no sense whatsoever, my last car was a Mazda 3 e-Skyactive x now that was a car that looked good and drove well and was economical.
What if the vast majority of the time you drive under 60km a day? Then you just charge up at home and run off cheaper off peak electricity. And on your longer trips, while you use more fuel than the civic, it's outweighed by the other 90% EV running
Thank's for this great review. Now I have all the information I was looking for. This will be my next car cause I use it more than 300 days on pure electric (daily charging) and for the remaining time of the Year the consumption is definitely acceptable.
Yes, drive slow, charge at home, drive in the city and if you sometimes drive outside city you will be safe, because you have "charger on the fly" :).
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Yep, correct 👍
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I think this car only make sense if you charge everyday at home in order to make 60-80 km without gas and then the consumption it will be lower when you look the total of km you did
Yes, but this version allows you to make a long trip one day without visit charging stations. Most of the days you will use EV mode and some day you can use the normal mode consuming 8 litres, but this is the exception not your daily experience. Some people understand you will consum 8 litres every day and thats wrong @@1sti
Can you tell me examples of more range cars, this car have 85 km range in ev @@1sti
Well, yes. It would suit me perfectly, in theory, if it were offered in my area. My commute is about 60km. I would plug in every night and be ready fully charged every morning, on very cheap electricity. When I want to do an occasional longer trip, then the generator is there. No, it's not as efficient as other hybrids or even small gas cars, but the vast majority of the time, the 60km is perfect. If you are regularly doing trips longer than 60km, then choose a different car.
Definitely only makes sense if you can charge at one side of your daily commute. Surprised my Yaris Cross hybrid usually does 4.5 - 5.5 L/100 km without charging, so there are obvious downsides to using this form of hybrid vehicle without having the daily plug access....
My lexus ux does 750 km on a 35 litre tank with no charging costs. Great video thanks 🍀🍀🍀
Thanks for feedback 👍🙏
i have been driving my mx-30 gasoline for more than 3 years. I have no complaints. But I am selling it...because I am buying the new mx-30 R-EV version. My wife is not mad because she drives my car too for those short trips she needs to get around the city.
Excellent review. Most people just don't understand this car. You have to have a bit of intelligence, an understanding of engineering principles and it helps to be a fan of the Wankel engine. Others, just rent yourselves a Chinese EV.
Thanks for feedback my friend 🙏🤗
@@SDADanCars You're very welcome. Subscribed. Keep up the good work.
Mazda must have incorporated an extremely well designed Battery Management System, to ensure that small “eco conscious” 17.8kWh battery will last a very long time indeed, if they’re limiting energy depletion levels to about 40% minimum. I’m not sure how much range would be available if a prospective buyer kept the usable range of charging and energy usage between 40% and 80%.
Personally, I was banking on exploiting the battery range realistically between 20% and 80% charging and preferred energy usage range - if you understand what I mean. I would program the BMS not to allow the battery to drop below 20% (invoking the Rotary Range Extender to hold the charge at 20% or even charge it up to 40%) and would then charge it on a home charger to no more than 80% to prolong the longevity of the traction battery.
I approximately calculated 42 miles of range (in ideal conditions like summer of course - not utilising HVAC) if utilising only between 20% to 80% of the battery’s charge at most.
I’m not sure what range 40% to 80% of the battery charge would give, but my round trip commute is presently 32 miles (UK) daily.
I’d wager that the Rotary Range Extender would still kick in occasionally, despite being in EV mode; I would want it to when powering up hills and flyovers on the daily commute.
And I know it would still get me home if I exhausted my chosen exploitable battery range above.
I could live with the fuel cost - it’s worth it, methinks!
Thank you for a great video.
You can set the charge level to a lower minimium if desired. This is the default setting. Even at the default setting and fully charging at home would give you 60 battery capacity. I usually do about 16 km a day. So would suit me for daily drives and fuel for the occasional long trip of 300 km
Thank you for this evaluation. It appears inefficient to utilize it on petrol ⛽️ 😢If the consumption were approximately 6, it would be considered acceptable. The car is aesthetically pleasing, and I trust Mazda will enhance it in the future.❤
Most of them are good cruisers, but not the CX-30 with 180 HP/PS engine. I drive the automatic version now for 3 years and it gets disturbing loud while excelerating above 130 km/h. The most annoying thing is when the automatic transmission shifts down to accelerate 5 km/h using cruise control (between 120 and 160 km/h). This happens so often on German highways. Even co-drivers have often said "wow 😳, what's your car doing there".
In two weeks I will get my MX-30 R-EV (company car). But I will definitely no longer have problems with noise above 140 😅
Hehe 👍Yea true .. Thanks for sharing
Please let us know your experience of the MX R-EV. Thank you
Hey how was it?
so what is the consumption?
Hi. Were those tyres factory fitted?
Nokian WR SUV3, if I'm not mistaken. Probably much more optimised for grip in icy roads than for fuel economy.
Excellent review but I wish they made it had 110km, i.e. half the range of the old EV. Then charge when it gets to 40-50%
Love the design, the build quality, the quietness (full EV version), the awesome interior, the way it drives and Mazda as a company BUT this is an oddball that makes my head hurt but my heart sing. It ticks boxes that shouldn't exist and the rotary is (regardless of development) very inefficient. I'm conflicted as Mazda goes against convention and i respect them for that but as a package it's just weird and ten years too late. I would definitely but a full EV version for local trips and 100% buy it with the Skyactive engine like is Asia. Dan love your videos mate, keep it up.
You started your test with the battery half capacity. So the Wankel needs to work more in order to keep it at 40-50%; if you would have started with the battery at 100% you would have consumed less, because the combustion engine had to work less at the beginning (in the first 20/25 kilometers).
I understand if you make 50 km in EV mode and 50 Km with gas consuming 8 litres then the total in 100 km is 4 litres only for this 100 km
Yeah, completely agree, why start with 50% battery?!
Please start with more than 80% battery charge. Furthermore, you were mentioning consumption numbers during the test but for the duration of the video the battery level and fuel level barely moved. It really feels like reviewers (not just you) are struggling to get their heads around the reality of how this car is managing the battery level with the range extender.
I think to get the best consumption figures, you can try running the car under EV mode and just let the Wankel engine do its thing if it's needed. You should probably start at a low charge of 40% and let it go down with EV mode so we can figure out its hybrid mode consumption. But in theory this is technically the same setup as what you did in this video, but instead of 20% charge it stayed at 50%. So I guess you just have to drive it for a longer distance and more time. Some other videos report that it can hold 20% battery power under EV mode, but their ambient temperatures (5-10C) are a bit higher than your negative temperatures' haha, it probably protects the battery by charging it more because of the extreme cold.
Isn't it only EV mode and when it drops below certain procent is recharges with the wankel motor which consumes gasolin? The Wankle enginge it self doesn't provide energy/power to the car, only charges the battery :D
@@KrisW3B Technically it's always in EV mode but IIRC he forced it to always keep the battery topped up. Although it won't really get more efficient than that anyways since the wankel engine is inherently inefficient compared to say a basic prius engine, it's only advantage is size and weight so if you have enough space you should just put a basic 3/4 cylinder engine instead.
@@JoseMariArceta Aah fair enough :D
This consumes more than Qashqai E-power?
A lot more, and I know which one I would prefer.
I think yea 👍
off course because this uses the gas gazzling wankel engine, but this system is better than e-power where the ice engine runs all the time and no cheap plug ins, so this mazda will be cheeper to run..
@@whocares264true, but not if you regularly do long journeys...
Not the car for me, Although i really like the REV (a bit biased because i love rotaries)
this type of hybrids make sense only as a town car. because 10 litre on a highway its ridiculous
Its a car to use in electric mode most of the days, no gas. Only that day you want to drive more you can do it with a consum of 7-8 litres. If you do more than 80 km every day is not your car
Der braucht keine 10 Liter mein VORSCHLAG einfach mal Probefahren und ohne Vorurteil testen. Es lebe der Wankelmotor und Mazda😊
@@HorstWippermann How much than?
Only reason to buy this car is for the looks.
It uses as much electricity as a normal EV and on top of that uses as much fuel as a normal combustion engine car.
The consumption is high because the car has very little kms on it
👍 yes
Bro when someone rides on the left lane on the round about you can enter it, it bleed my eyes to see you keep waiting for entire runabout to be free to engage.
7/8 l is not fine in mixed envoirement. my cx-5 from 2015 does the same xD regular 2.0 gasoline engine and automatic gearbox 4x4. Probably after5000km better consumption and probably in higher temperature better consumption is pure copium. This is the consumption and that's it. 1l/100km on their website is pure joke. What you can do i load car to 100% from outlet and test the pure ev distance plus consuption afterwards, so that people can see if it's even worth the purchase for this technology, will it save any money in the longterm if you buy this to accomoday your daily needs of let's say 60km/day.
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This car is very badly thought out. The most uneconomical least reliable combustion engine linked to a very small battery and quite low powered electric motor. Also it seems quite noisy has a cramped cabin and is expensive.
That's why I just bought one. 😅
It's only unreliable if it's dimensioned incorrectly. As a generator, the rotary engine is perfectly adequate and makes sense.
@@jambosaladme too
if it was efficient, yes. But the engine isn't
i agree the bmw i3 rex is much better than this.
This car makes no sense when you can buy a car like the Honda Civic E-hev which has better performance and is a lot more economical, especially over longer distances.
But this is way better looking and has a Wankel... sorry Honda, it's a no contest. 😜
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the Honda is a much sleeker classier-looking car though I think the Mazda is nice also. I nearly bought one until I found out how thirsty it was on longer journeys.@@jambosalad
But……the Honda doesn’t look as exciting as the MX-30 R-EV. This Mazda reminds me of a Corellian Shipyards YT-1300 (a.k.a. the Millennium Falcon). The shape, the front lateral mandibles incorporated into the design, the unique Wankel Rotary propulsion system……and the porthole like rear door windows. I’m getting a Star Wars cargo freighter vibe from this Crossover SUV Coupe Cruiser.
You buy this because you want something radically different from what is being offered by other manufacturers. The Honda HEV will probably feel like an appliance on wheels. Ditto with the new Toyota CHR.
I used to own and drive a Mazda MX-3 Coupe. An ellipsoid shaped flying saucer on wheels. It looked so dramatic just standing still, and it always turned heads as you drove down the road. I owned that car for 8.5 years - it gave me no trouble. I got rid of it only because of stringent emissions legislation in London UK, and I still miss it. Like the MX-30, it was a relatively rare sight. I recall not seeing another MX-3 for a whole month after I’d bought it. Mazda’s MX series vehicles never disappoint - and neither does the MX-30 R-EV.
By the way, running the R-EV in -3c weather, with the HVAC cranked up to 22c in the cabin will certainly deplete the battery quickly and cause the Rotary Range Extender to work hard to compensate for the HVAC energy drain. Even in my ancient Prius Hybrid, I dress warm in winter and keep heating at no more than 18c (normally 17c) in the cabin - what I refer to as “minimal life support”. This saves energy considerably.
I’d say the economy readings under those circumstances are actually impressive, though you would have got better results if you had started your test with a full battery, to simulate a true round commute trip, otherwise, thank you for this great video review.
@@datathunderstorm Looks are subjective, in every dynamic the Civic is the better car it is much faster handles better and in real-world driving is more economical. I guarantee on a 150-mile trip my Honda will be a hell of a lot better on fuel than the Mazda unless you do short distances and can charge at home the Mazda makes no sense whatsoever, my last car was a Mazda 3 e-Skyactive x now that was a car that looked good and drove well and was economical.
What if the vast majority of the time you drive under 60km a day? Then you just charge up at home and run off cheaper off peak electricity. And on your longer trips, while you use more fuel than the civic, it's outweighed by the other 90% EV running