Being Black in Amsterdam
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- What would you do if you saw someone in black face? For Afro-Dutch citizens that is a constant reality. Follow Imani as she explores what it is to be Black in Amsterdam.
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"In everything you do, you have to be aware that you are black"
This is the saddest thing said in the video, really hits hard.
@Yesmer That is you. As a mixed race guy I had many troubles with racism here in the past. And my dad white and mom black
@Yesmer no! in brazil the majority of the population is composed by people of color but white people are still privileged here...
@@GABRIELGON1 He's talking about the Netherlands and you about Brazil, right? Why do you answer what happened in Brazil?
That is such a racist comment. You are a child of god. Being black has nothing to do with anything.
@Yesmer only blacks view themselves different and then say whites are racist without even getting to know the people they call racist. This nonsense is getting rediculous.
I'm African American, traveled a few places, and I gotta say America is the most racist place I've been. And at some point you gotta live your life to the fullest without seeking out every little perceived acts of racism. It will never go away completely, so why let it hold you down?
There are more places to go when you dont like it somewhere. Maby check out africa! They wont be racist against you in any way(or do they?). Maby thats also why its such a sh*tshow in the whole of Africa! Everyone is "racist" which means: making the best out of it for you own kind of people. Its nothing new, its human history. Now pack your bags and leave, or stop whining
@@nickkuiper32 looking at your name I don't know who's the African here😂😂
You will never be african american,becouse you are born white. Quit the jelousey and envey.
Yea you're most definitely reaching, America's racism ain't got nothing on Asian countries
So we must endure and voluntarily give money to those who hate us? You first. I need to leave the planet better than I found it. Being complicit is perpetuating oppression. Sorry, I have seen too much, experienced too much, and heard of too much suffering to give a pass to those who have no humanity.
This is what I hear in The Netherlands when you point out the racism in Dutch people:
"oh, but she would never be racist, she's a good person!"
"Are you sure? Maybe you are just reading too much into it..."
"The Dutch racist? We are very tolerant, maybe the problem is you"
"You are being a bit too sensitive"
"Well, if you don't like it then why are you here?"
This is what I read in other comments here too.
@@areallyboredguy5825 definitely, that’s why I don’t need to physically be there to know this is what happens
Those are indeed common comments made towards belligerent racists who offensively demand people change their whole country to appease a handful of rather extreme visitors.
@beaver dentures so you're telling me a continent have more people than a small country?! damn who would've guessed!
sounds like America
But here in The Netherlands if you point out someone's racism they will always try to find a way to blame it on you! They swear that this is a "tolerant" country, but tolerant for what exactly? LGBT and drugs? Most western countries are! There's nothing particularly tolerant about the Dutch nowadays... Maybe in the 80s.
and it is visible in such stupid things, too... I like to observe people a lot while standing in line, and so living in the past 5 or 6 years in the Netherlands I noticed that at the checkout lined at Albert Heijn there tends to be shorter lines where there is a darker skinned cashier is sitting. It's like... I don't understand it. I wish someone did proper research on this, but I check this roughly once a month in different AH XLs, and it's just so striking. When I mentioned it to my Dutch friends they're like "but we don't look at the skin color of the cashier". I'm like... I wasn't saying you were consciously looking at it, you just do it, you go to blonde and white cashiers.
I mean it's not like it's the worst kind of racism out there, but it's still pretty bad that they don't even notice... lol
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@@ErickDoe if you can’t see anything remotely wrong with the op statement, you’re exactly the person they’re talking about. I hope u weren’t looking for an actual answer
@Erick Doe why would you prefer a different race when shopping?
@Erick Doe but why does skin color matter? Everyone is human
I am glad this video is made. I am an Indian sociologist working in the Netherlands and whenever I bring up any conversation about racism here, I hear defensive (as though they are the ones being offended), or juvenile responses about why the curent generation should not be liable for the past wrongs or how incidents of racism are exceptions- all coming from white people (It's sad and ridiculous when a white person tries to explain that racism is an exception here). There is a zero understanding even among the so-called intellectuals here, about how advance-capitalism here would be impossible without racism and imperialism.
youre literally indian, the most racist people on earth.
@@r.a.h7682 Indians, and mostly the privileged caste Brahmins indeed are very racist. Colourism and casteism in India are similar to structural racism.
How come you don't live in India?
Go back to India, the ‘perfect’ country. You are making a fool of yourself. India is more racist than The Netherlands
Go to South Africa and you will see how white people are murdered by black people
So basically they’re racist, just passive aggressive racists. Compared to North America, the USA and Canada especially their brand of racism is more aggressive. In the USA and Canada, it can very well be a death sentence. I think I’d still want to visit Amsterdam some day, if only to see how it’s like there for myself.
And that is exactly what you should do and you are very welcome. 😊
“They” meaning all Dutch people?
@@midasghijsels158 Errm... obviously not. Unless you think everyone in the US and Canada are racist. It is also very common to hear Dutch people talk negatively about 'Moroccans' or 'Turks', and those same people will then take issue if someone says something negative about 'Dutch' people.
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of course, you're absolutely right here, my comment was a bit defensive i guess.
Lmao how can you have a park named after Nelson Mandela but still do black face???? 🤦🏽♀️
Same way Americans are crying about school shootings and gun violence, but want nothing to do with gun control. That's how.
I have read on twitter that africans and African Americans have different views on black face.
Africans don't really get offended because they are unaware of the history behind it.
Where as Americans have experienced or are educated about the history of black face.
@@inekay9797 The history of black Pete in the Netherlands has not so much to do with racism, although a link could be made to slavery as a page was often a slave. It's slowly changing because people are offended and what's even worse; black kids are picked on because of it. And we can't have that, as it's meant to be a fun party for all the children.
The story of Sinterklaas (Saint Nicholas) and his black helpers dates god knows how long back (1850's?) and because its origin is in a completely white Netherlands, the black helpers were white people with faces painted black, hence; black face.
It's an old tradition that's under construction. It will take a few years before the transformation will be complete, but we will get there.
If you want to see a real disgrace... The second ugliest bridge in the world is called the "Nelson Mandela brug" and it's located in Zoetermeer, the Netherlands.
So, ur asking "how could that happen?". Well, most people in the Netherlands don't know where zwarte piet stems from. The general knowledge about zwarte piet is that he goes through chimneys, that he throws candy to children, and that he is a jolly character. I grew up in the Netherlands and I only learned the true history of zwarte piet at around the age of 19. So you ask how could this happen? THERE IS NO EDUCATION PROVIDED ON THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS CHARACTER. As always systemic racism stems from the miseducation of (black) people.
When I went to Amsterdam last year, I was very surprised at all the black folks that were there, it was a good feeling.
@@j.vanderson6239 first of all the title of the video is “Being Black in Amsterdam” so you got a problem with the fact that I like seeing other Black people? If you got an issue about it why are you watching this video?? Where are you from?
@@cupidgal no cus they’re really obsessed with us 🤣🤣sad really
@@j.vanderson6239 I’m not American...
@@j.vanderson6239 just goes to show there are black ppl everywhere nd we face anti blackness and racism everywhere
Just be grateful u don’t have to search whether a country is extremely racist or not b4 u go there
@@j.vanderson6239 weirdo
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 really appreciate this coverage. I’ve been here from the UK for 2 years now and it’s been a very interesting experience to say the least!
I'm a older blk American man and I'll never forget the time I went to Amsterdam back in '96. At that time, the hatred for Americans was REAL. Everywhere I'd went, I had dirty stares as if people wanted to kill me. I knew their hatred wasn't because I was blk but rather because I was American. One time around Dam Square, I met a white woman from Los Angeles who was with her boyfriend from New Zealand. She told me she and her boyfriend went to a restaurant to dine and when the waiter came with their food, the waiter drop the plate on the table ON PURPOSE and all the food spilled to the ground. She then said that everyone else in the restaurant stood up and CLAPPED!
As for me, I said enough is enough and took a bus to Paris. In Paris, my experience was 1000x better and the locals were very friendly towards me. The only thing was, I had lots of Asian people come up to me wanting pictures but that was about it. Otherwise, it's was a pleasant experience. As far as Amsterdam, I don't know how it would be now for Americans but I miss the scenery. I'm not rushing to go back there though..lol
yo
Seriously? Sounds kinda fake to me
That's bullshit.That never ever happened. There are thousands of tourists in Amsterdam every day. Nobody thought of killing you! Please!! Plus, Paris is full of black people. Lots of african countries have french as their second language. Why should all these asian people want a photo only with you?
This story i can't believe it and i am born in Amsterdam, the scenery you described i have never witnessed in my 53 years living here. We have many black skinned people from Surinam here so it's not that we aren't used to black people let alone treat them badly if anything we know they are decendents of slaves so no your pulling this out of your arse 100%. A waitress getting applause for spilling food on purpose would be confronted by shocked costumers then soon after will be fired. And if racism is involved she or he would be standing for a judge soon as well.
This episode is universal, no matter where you are racism is real.
People's initial impression isn't like I'm Italian because 95+ of Italians are white. Sooooooo Racist.
Well said. I really wish other countries would stop pointing their fingers at the US. Remember who taught us these beliefs.
Now
When I visited Amsterdam I was expecting to see Verwoerd’s monument. He was born in the Netherlands and is considered the father of apartheid. The museums didn’t cover anything about South Africa and I found that to be odd. Historical amnesia but I did find something about how the Dutch people believe in hospitality to their guests and when going out to colonize others never to show mercy.
Racist: Goes to another country, complains why the museums in that country are about that country and not about other countries.
@@nvelsen1975 Do you have any idea who Verwoerd is? he was literally born in the Netherlands and moved to South Africa. It's not some insane assumption to assume he would be in a museum and specifically have information on him starting apartheid. Maybe try educating yourself a bit before commenting out of spiteful impulse
@@vallano8970
So what I said about it being in a foreign country and irrelevant is correct.
And you need to cool it with the bigotry.
Sorry to put it perhaps so bluntly but i don't feel responsible for what some ancestors did hence i don't feel responsible for what my father does or you or anyone else but me in fact. Verwoerd was born in Amsterdam in 1901 but only lived here only as a child for 11 years, his family moved to Rhodesia in 1912. Should we pay attention to this person that lived here till he was 12? There are many many bad things our ancestors have done it's teached in schools it's shown in Musea but did you for example know the good things? In March 1960, relations between the Netherlands and South Africa became tense after the Sharpeville massacre when South African police shot and killed 69 people. In 1961, the Netherlands was the only Western country to vote in favor of an anti-apartheid resolution in the UN for starters.
@@vallano8970 Dutch also went to New Zealand (it is called after Zealand in NL) and Australia and New York but we have no museums about these migrants.
I’ve been to Amsterdam 4 times & didn’t notice this behavior out right.
Only in the Diamond Museum afterward they said free coffee or tea came w/ ticket 🎟 purchase & the cleaning lady in the souvenir store was being rude & pushing my hand once I realized what her problem was she almost got slapped.
Until a couple I met ran into me & we started chatting.
Or it could be they saw what happened & intervened bc they knew I wouldn’t tolerate this lady much longer, so they did her a favor.
I’ve only been to Rotterdam & Amsterdam. I said, upon returning I’d visit Deelft, & like 3 other cities bc I wanted to retire there b4 I saw 👀 this vlog. Yeah, not all blacks tolerate this behavior.
Tks for sharing.
This video was excellent. Solidarity from the UK to my European brothers and sisters. It's interesting how white people across Europe band together to minimise the overall impact of their behaviour and ways. In the UK I've had people defend Zwarte Piet even though they have no real clue about it themselves, they've just decided that because of the reputation Dutch people have for being "tolerant" that Zwarte Piet is an "innocent" thing when it's not. I also found it so interesting when you broke down the data and who responded in what way when asked if it's offensive.
I've been to The Netherlands many times and I hope that when everything settles travel-wise to visit again one day, even if I have to pay extra because of Brexit. I've only seen Amsterdam and I want to explore more of the rest of the country. I've had mostly wonderful experiences, but I did go through some weirdness with Zwarte Piet and some people trying to take photographs of my friends, who were inadvertently standing next to some people in costumes - it was like they wanted the pic to post on social media and say "can you tell the difference between real and fake Black people". They were giggling to themselves when I clocked them and moved my friends away. They knew exactly what they were doing.
On a separate trip, I also faced discrimination in a hotel from another guest (Dutch) who assumed my family and I were in the wrong place because of how "nice" the hotel was but didn't question anyone else.
Continental European racism is very real and I feel it every time I'm abroad and encounter French, Dutch, Belgian etc. tourists in other countries, even outside Europe. Usually they have more of a problem with me and my group than the host nation, who are normally nothing but welcoming. European racism relies on the idea that they are just "innocently ignorant" because of how seemingly homogenous they are but they're not homogenous, most of them are very diverse and all have minorities they openly discriminate against. Just say the word "Romani" around them and see how they react. Europeans always act like they aren't racist or they pre-occupy themselves with comparing to the United States because they have a superiority complex over Americans and feel they are more dignified. Well the US is that way because it learned from its European forebears!
What about the racism whites experience from blacks in Africa?
@@dudebro3250 Do you have a personal story to share about it? Nope, i thought not. What are you even trying to say? You should be ashamed that you respond to a well thought out, well written post with an irrelevant one-liner. And look, no African took offence to your comment and tried to justify any racism from other Africans, which is what the OP says white European people do for other white European people when they are racist, and which I am guessing is what you are making a very poor attempt at with this post.
@@dudebro3250your whataboutism is adding so much to OPs original post. Really great discussion starter there. Shows high levels of understanding and critical thinking. You are really showing off your “supremacy” and high IQ sir. I must truly applaud you for being born in a body with no melanin. It took so much skill!!
Thank you for this, we want to visit
Yesssss thank you for acknowledging this
Great Work! The message was delivered in great, classy style.
Amsterdam rocks. I’m South African maybe I suffer from what is called Stockholm syndrome. Whatever, it is each time I visit the Netherlands I feel at home. I also enjoy the Dutch language because it sounds like Afrikaans spoken by Dutch South Africans.
Damn, I would really like to visit Amsterdam. Since I speak Afrikaans I assume the adjustment wouldn’t be difficult
Yeh the same home of the ppl that made your ancestors die
@@lylesrevenge Well have a look i will write dutch now. In 1750 gingen veel colonisten van Nederland naar Zuid Afrika , sindsdien is hun taal vermengt met veel engelse invloeden en is de taal zowel hier als daar aan de huidige tijd aangepast. Ik zou ook veel moeite hebben een Nederlander uit 1750 te verstaan. Als ik Afrikaans hoor kan ik wel veel woorden herkennen maar ontgaat me vaak de zin. If you can make sense of my Dutch you shouldn't have much problems.
Truth shines above all. Stand in it no matter where yu are. Fuck how anyone else feel because the basis is in conformity. Speak and stand in your truth and keep moving. That’s all we can really do tbh, done tryna get ppl to see the shit they clearly don’t want to see.
The statue was/is a so-called 'Gaaper', a yawner. If a doctor applies medication, one had to yawn. If it is a 'bitter pill', you'll get this facial expression. 'Heaving to swallow a bitter pill' is therefore also a well-known Dutch idiomatic phrase. Apart from the dark colour of the black patient - in this case- notice the dress. This is ment to represent a foreign wealthy person or nobleman, who is implied to choose the high quality medicine from this 18th or so century store in Amsterdam. In those days, all medicinal herbs were imported from abroad. This store is using a wealthy black man as marketing. Customers in Amsterdam were supposed to think that these medicines were so good, that your average, very succesful black man from far away would choose this store. The image therefore represents a succesful black man, I fail to see whay that is racist. A Gaper is usually from Arabic, North-African or Indian origine. In those days, houses we not numberd by the way. It's like putting boxing attire on a statue on a man that appears African-American origine nowadays, if you own a boxing store, for example. I recently bought running shoes after seeing an add featuring a Kenyan athlete; that communicates that the shoes are of such quality that even a Kenyan marathon runner would use them. That may not be true, but in the end it is just marketing. The dark skin is used as a reference to quality, which is the opposite of racism. Also note that Gapers are not only of African origin, so it is not only a depiction a specifically African people. If you sell bikes in Ghana, you could produce a commercial with blond Dutch women riding them; 'my bikes are so good that even Dutch people ride them'. If you look around in Amsterdam, you'll find plenty of tourist from the UK, US or France with a clearly African origin. They do appear to enjoy themselves. Racism is not tolerated and if they are treated unfair because of their skin they can report it.
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This video is so well done! Educational and entertaining, I'm subscribing.
love your video but the part about people taking there children out of schools was not because they where predominantly black schools, it was because they where predominantly muslim schools. its not any beter but the reasoning behind it is not because of skin colour but religion.
Since when are white kids to be found on islamic schools? Geen sprake van jos, je heb me echt laten lachen zo laat in de nacht, bedankt daarvoor, ik zelf als een turkse nederlander vind zelf ook de kwaliteit van de zogenaamde moslim scholen laag daar ben ik wel met je eens, maar een reguliere basischool in grote steden zijn meestal een mix van verschillende achtergronden dus wat er in deze video werd verteld is eigenlijk best waar
The problem with school is they are all funded the same way if in a classroom with 25 kids and 20 needs special attention, with languages, math or some thing else it's logic choice for parents to go to a different school, because a school will not get the recourses iit needs to give extra attention to this kids, it will get some but it never covers all the extra costs. So it has nothing to do with skin colour but everything with how schools are organized and funded and lately also with lack of personal
I’ll be in Amsterdam in August all way till October 😊🤴🏾🤴🏾🤴🏾❤️🔥🔥
I’ll be there in October
Damn man! Just left Amsterdam this week. Had a blast; wish I would have known about these black businesses. I will definitely patronize if when I touch back.
Since the Dutch people live in South Africa maybe I need to relocate and own land there too.
Are you there yet?
wow. i want to retire there.....BUT???? Im an older guy....even with my musical talent??? I have a following n social media. music out. Will that help me? Im 58. Thanks. Raj
Good!!
Ps. update 2022: As a black man raised in the NL I slowly but surely see the narrative shifting, not fast enough but still a good development. More and more cities are distancing theirselves from this ridiculous character black Pete. Also after George Floyd they ar eputing alot more people of colour in their commercials then before. Steps that came to late but nevertheless steps in the good direction.
I'm visiting there for the first time later this year for my bday. Thank you for this video. If you have any other black-owned businesses that I can visit and support while I'm there, please share. Or if there are any other things you'd suggest in regards to the black experience in Amsterdam, please share that, as well. Thanks again! Great video.
See I’m thinking of moving to Amsterdam for the focus on urban mobility and sustainability, but I’m an Ethiopian-American. It’s hard to get a grasp of what race is like in the Netherlands
Don't worry about it too much, Amsterdam is as multicultural as it gets. Especially in the south east, a big African and black South American population there. Lots of black youtubers living in the Netherlands and vlogging about it. Take a look at those and you get an idea.
you should come. i'm black and live in amsterdam my whole life. i personally never really expirienced racism.
did u guys just ignore the beauty of the presenter?
Hell nah
She has got big big..
Her racism makes her quite ugly.
I don't know people just like traveling and living where they find a suitable lifestyle. I think the main reason people complain so much about racism in the USA is because of the media and very small percentage of people complain to other people world wide, overall the entire people of America have people from the entire world and people look bad on any group who says things like white this black that when talking in a bad way and not addressing there own color of people like themselves. So for instance here in America people like to be many ways introverted piece of mind not want attention and don't like others almost yelling when they talk. Ok yet other people like to be extroverted always attention seeking and talking so load you can hear them clear when not even near. Overall America has mixed people of any color and family nomatter where you go in America, no one listens to negative people anymore, that's why negative people are so jealous, almost everyone is mixed in some type of way in America nowdays. 🇺🇸
Unites state is a white countrie , nadie mira a estados unidos como un pais multicultural
I wonder what would happen if all of us in the diaspora actually did go back to where we came from.
Outside of the obvious nuke attack.
I would realy want to see that
What will be the results
Great work guys ! Greet's from London , was looking for some content is this area, so will keep these guys in mind for any visit.
Great job & nice work guys !... - One luv, bless up.. - J..
Dam u look like my dad
I used to think the nederlands were an example to the world in social issues... :(
Yeah man same ☹️
It's the same as any northern European country
It was before the crying games.
@@86z50r wdym by crying games
I live here in The Netherlands and I can guarantee you that this country is not "tolerant" as they like to claim they are for the media. There's a lot of xenophobia and daily racism here... I've heard very nasty and dehumanising comments from Dutch people disguised as "jokes.
And if you dare to call people out on that they will just repeat what they love to say: "go back to your country then".
I am planning on moving to the Netherlands from the us. Can anyone give me info?
From hell to heaven i heard an american couple say. You are very welcome Sir
Not many people know this, but Portuguese Jews were at the forefront of the Dutch Atlantic slave trade. So much so that there is even a plantation in Suriname called the 'Joden savanne' (Jewish savanna). Half of the slave owners of the West Indies Company in Amsterdam were Jews while they were just a fraction of the population. The Afro Dutch community needs to discuss this topic.
I’m American and I’m visiting there! I cannot wait
Racism will never changed regardless the country or place you find yourself as a minority.
For us, black people, it will never cease to be the way it is for as long as others will feel superior
to us. We need to come together and empower ourselves to be recognized and respected in every
aspects. Stop being seen as the ones who migrate to other countries and do not "contribute" to
society.
What is racism? And why will it never change? Do things change?
"For us, black people, it will never cease to be the way it is for as long as others will feel superior to us."
It doesn't change for blacks as long as others feel superior?
Who are those others? And how should they feel? Why should they feel like this? And can you make them feel different? Is feeling the same as to be? Is feeling = to be?
"We need to come together and empower ourselves to be recognized and respected in every aspects." Who is we? To be recognized by whom? and which aspects? What is respect?
"Stop being seen as the ones who migrate to other countries and do not" contribute "to society."
Why stop being seen as the ones who migrate to other countries and do not "contribute" to society? Do you contribute "to a society."?
You trolling
“Black people are not a monolith, but certain feelings are universal…” yeah.. phew
Mr. Nancy *America gods" speech about the Dutch slave traders. His speech is on TH-cam. Just type Mr. Nancy.
Technically slavery was illigal in the netherlands during that period, but in exchange for money from the VOC and the voc's power in general, the government kept a closed eye for them.
A good way to really learn about people is to speak their language. It might help getting past superficial judgements and prejudices.
You guys dont know African languages yet you claim to know everything wrong with Africa and Africans. The language excuse is bullshit. Are you guys so dumb that you cant even learn other languages.
That is a lie because ik ben in nederland geboren en getogen, nederlanders zijn de grootste racisten die er zijn, gelukkig zijn er genoeg goeie mensen
@@sweetie539The average Dutch person speaks 2 to 3 languages.
Here i am speaking English to you.
In the description it says: "What would you do if you saw someone in blackfase? For Afro-Dutch citizens that is a constant reality".
But Sinterklaas is only from mid november to the sixth of december...
And I don't think I saw any Afro-Dutch citizens in this video?
So it sounds to me a bit as soms grumbling Americans?
Not that there is no discrimination in The Netherlands!
Thanks. We need this conversation. Thanks, young sister. We are here. See us. We see you , whites see us.
Funny how all you folks claim other to be racists while at the same time you are the only ones that feel the need to point out skincolours. It truelly is ironic, and also the reason why reasonable people dont take you serious.
@@nickkuiper32 Maybe because our skin color gets us targeted for simply just existing. You sound dense. We’re the ones affected by this yet you “can’t take us seriously” because it doesn’t affect YOU. FOH.
@@westiday these people are mentally sick literally are trying to forget history because of the things that happened because of skin color smh look at Jim Crow and man it’s still sun down towns in America and black people still goes missing.
@@nickkuiper32 Yes, racists are labelling others as racists😂it shows the state of the countries where these people come from
Some whites just aren't as bright as they want people to believe. I remember one fine white dude I was into. I mentioned about my Persian cat which some Persian cats are brachycephalic (flat skull), because he too was a brachecephalet and he mentioned about how he couldn't believe someone from the bronc knew what the term meant and I said wow, these people don't have common sense. They may have book smarts but that means nothing. Anyways, you sound and appear well cultered and educated.
you have that with everyone
Dutch people do not even refer to themselves as white😂 a typical american believing that the world is divided into American and English colour spectrums😂
Wow, this was really well presented and professional. Thanks for your marvelous work. Oh, and you're beautiful. Cheers 😉
Need more information about the woman at 7:23 👀?
You should not forget that 40% of inhabitants of Suriname came to the Netherlands after Suriname got its independence in 1975.
That's how much confidence they had in their own people.
But Nederlands are one of the best countrys for africans and muslims to work even if Doutch are very racist. It's a country with a very good pay minimum i think is 1300 euros
The problem with zwarte piet is that both sides have already made up their mind , that's it's either racism or it isn't. So you only get heated discussions. First is the name zwarte piet translates indeed to black pete, but the two are different like you said the zwarte piet tradition dates back to 1850 a time where there was less then 1000 people of color in the entire netherlands and way before black pete was even used in the states to mock people of color. The tradition stems from a time even way before 1850! There was a Saint living in Turkey that decided to help children in need in Spain. Back then Spain wasn't he Spain we know but a country controlled by arabic moors. People in The Netherlands thought the moors people as coming from africa. All they knew was that people from africa where black the difference with people of arabic decent was unknown to the general public at the time. All they knew was that there was this saint who had helpers (moors) So when the tradition was made those helpers where displayed as the people here were known at that time and that was ofcource the pictures of slaves working at cotton fields in surinam. But also be aware those helpers of the saint where helping poor kids thus in the tradition they gave candy to dutch kids. They where far from being mocked unlike black pete! All i know from my childhood as very white dutch kid is that when sint nicolaus came to town the helpers painted black where the people you need to go to because they gave you all this sweet candy and you liked them. So the truth is somewhere between racist and not. I don't mind personally to cling to this tradition especially because it hurts and insults some people. On the other hand i would be a bit sad to see the tradition go because i never saw the black helpers as something bad they where the friends of children thus the good guys.
"it hurts and insults some people"
This always reminds me of the cartoon riots. Non muslims ought not make pictures of the Prophet Muhammed becaue it hurts and insults some people.
I just think feeling hurt, feeling insulted or feelings in general should not be a foundation for policing other people's actions. Especially when not feeling hurt or offended is an option.
@@bdnnijs192 Just because someone is offended doesn't make them right.
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Amen.
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very good video! did not know there was so much racism in my country
Thank you so much for making this vdeo! I will share it with world language teachers! Can I find you on Facebook?
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''A place where we can be un-apologetically us''
Sounds a bit racist?
@@davidpeter4588 what a brave warrior you are
It's called Africa. But for some reason black people don't want to live in Africa.
Being black in Amsterdam is the easiest life possible
We must also remember that, these are the same people who were responsible for apartheid in South Africa 🇿🇦 and still the same people who are living in white “OWNLY”gated communities in South Africa 🇿🇦.
They’re still the same people even when they’re not in their own country, they aren’t too far removed from the German people… UNAPOLOGETICALLY RACIST!
Old habits die hard.
Germany liked a diverse population more than France, Spain, and the Netherlands, this is just sad. Guess I'll just go to Germany since I dont feel like being discriminated against.
Good luck with that...
How diverse is Ghana or Cameroon? Why do white countries always have to be diverse?
I know there is racism in the Benelux. I'm Dutch and I married 20 years ago to a Latina. I noticed racism, when going out, shopping and walking in the streets with my wife. One of the reasons, we returned to my wife's country after my retirement on 1-1-11, was a racist undertone. However moving to the Dominican Republic, I also noticed racism stronger than in Europe and the victims are the Haitians. Some of the laws here are rooted in racism and those have been condemned by the OAS (Organization of American States). Basically racism is unfair, nobody chooses the color of their skin or the shape of their eyes
The solution? More interracial marriages, so in 200 years everybody has a nice shade of brown like my wife. My wife has that color from her grandparents from Spain; Haiti; Dominican Republic and yes another Dutchman coming from the Dutch East Indies (now Indonesia).
im a 100% against racism kind of guy born and raised in amsterdam, i live in the bijlmer which is a multu cultural neighbourhood with people from 117 different nationalities. I understand what you are saying but why go back to the 17th century. We cant change that can we? In your video you claim that there is not many black bussines owners, i think that is racesism in it self. Throughout amsterdam you will finf companies owned by many people not native to the netherlands, everybody can start his own bussines. Then off course Sinterklaas the tradition for kids which has indeed been here since 1850, but its actualy a turkish tradition which came to the netherlands. In my neighbourhood we people from all over the world and when sinterklaas has his official parade all the kids wanna go there and get some candy etcetra. Many people from all over the world live happy in amsterdam no matter what colour or religion the are. If you start looking for things which are not right you will always find them. Im married to a beautifull wife born in Surinam and her family and our friends never experience any racism at work or in daily life. Off-course there are exceptions which are no good, but thats the same in the other cultures living in amsterdam there are rotten apples in each and every one of them. Your video only shows one side of the store which basicly is poor journalism.
I will provide some feedback for you. 1) history is important because it tells us how we got to where we are today. For example, racism in the US is rooted in slavery because slaves were brought here forcefully and not given opportunities to progress until the 1960s, and even past then there have been barriers towards progression. 2. Regarding sinterklaas, who cares where it comes from, the Netherlands carries tradition with racial undertones. 3. From an outsider, what most people point out about racism in the Netherlands is that the Dutch believe they are incapable of such a thing, and that it’s made up. In the US such a person is widely considered a racist. There are racial biases that you either are against or are not against, and in the US we believe to be neutral is to be part of the problem.
In 1994 at age 9 i came to the Netherlands and after 30 years, with great confidence i can say that the Dutch are Racist AF!! I mean we are one bad painter away from the Nazis
i was born and raised in the netherlands, moved to nyc in my 30s and yeah. Worse than Americans actually, Dutch racism is less documented than American racism that's why.
@@darling_savage because they cover each other, as one. The Dutch have no mercy. Hence their slave trade (VOC) and they are actually proud of it, they call it the Golden century. Also you should see how they fight for blackface arguing it’s an important part of their culture.
In the Netherlands calling someone 'zwart' like 'zwarte' or 'zwartjes' is considered very racist, whereas in English it is apparently very normal to call someone 'black'. For that matter the context I think is actually crucial in order to be able to judge if someone is meaning the way they express themselves to be racist or not. My Surinamese colleague actually finds the 'roetveegpieten' ridiculous and mentioned that back in Suriname or on Curaçao the Sinterklaas festivities even people of dark skin will still put full black paint on their faces and enjoy the character as a children's friend. The Turkish origins of Sinterklaas actually described he liberated the slaves and they went with him willingly afterwards and worked for Sinterklaas leading much happier lives than actual slaves of the day. This is what the Sinterklaas festivities are all about, the celebration of a man that did good. When someone dresses up as a bear on a carnival party, is that person by definition against bears? Just to name an example, perhaps dressing up as whatever else you actually are is actually an act of love?! You can't just project your own context to it and call it that. Even when the Dutch have been enslaving people in the past, it is not one and the same thing. You could say the Dutch don't have the right to celebrate this slave liberator due to their past participation to slavery, that I would be able to agree with, but maybe just don't blame sinterklaas. 🤷♂️
Is there a long history of racism and oppression of robots 🤷♂️ kind of a dumb analogy…robots aren’t sentient people
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@@Nt-nu4if Very eloquent!
Tnx liar
I appreciate this perspective much love from USA
This makes me sad... The past years have seen a lot of discussion, introspection and change in Dutch society, relatively speaking. Cities researching their part in slavery and apologizing, many people moving away from Black Pete to alternatives, BLM protests and discussions on decolonizing the curriculum. Nowhere near enough, but it's definitely been speeding up. And yet, apparently, nothing substantial has changed in the lives of the people it's meant to benefit. So much so that they have little to no hope things will change...
And they’re national baseball team most players on the team are black
I live in kensington, London. And Amsterdam is one of my favourite places in Europe. But everytime i enter Netherlands, I think of my african ancestors and what happened to them. But history is in the past. Amsterdam is a good place though.
Please also think of the UK and what they did to Africa
@@pinknotebook Yep, you're right. There is a lot of South Africans and Kenyans here though, they're happy with the white English
Yeah I’m happy that there are more than 180 nationalities in one country
It appears this channel is capable of making _some_ interesting content
Well it doesn't provide referencing so that is debatable...
@@caterpillur5029 so a person must reference the work of someone else for their work to be considered valid? The people speaking in the interviews are references fyi.
Being black in the Netherlands Being black in Germany Japan Morocco always about being black in another country
Who is the most racist? The black American Or the rest of the world
I see and hear a lot of ‘us black people’, ‘black owned shops’, ‘this is racism by white people’, ‘only black people can know’, ‘I as a black person am offended by… and this has to go away immediately, because it’s racist’ these days in The Netherlands. I always saw myself as tolerant and accepting of new Dutchmen (of any ethnicity), but these phrases shows me there is a ‘we’ and ‘them’, which wasn’t there before. For me that is. It’s now something like: blacks decide what is good and what is bad. And if you don’t agree, you’re a racist. It is sad but can’t be helped I’m afraid. The world has changed and not for the better.
They take no responsibility for anything. It's amazing how they are always the victims even though they commit most of the crimes. They even hate themselves. Otherwise they would live in Africa around just black people.
It was not untill 1865 or so till the Dutch government abolished child labor. Any idea how before those children got treaten by the rich companies? That was pure slavery, lady.
4:10 tf he said?
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I'm wondering if anti-Blackness in the Netherlands has *at least* become a topic of nationwide conversation since the global Black Lives Matter movement. If not, it needs to become a topic. Denial gets a society nowhere. Societies must air out their dirty laundry so that progress can happen. Enough already.
No we talk about all live matters.
@@markknoop6283 ... Yeah, sure, whatever, but all lives can’t matter until you address your anti-Black racism.
@@panafricanexodus8101 I'm pro every live you are the one that is separating.
@@markknoop6283 Um, I don’t want to hear anything from you unless you’re actively telling that to whiite people. Global whiite supremacy exists and has existed for centuries.
You're looking for things that are not
Guys… any suggestions to find afro-centric events in AMS?
racism not even that bad in Amsterdam. It is comparable to paris in paris the migrants have a lot of work, find work easily, and the police generally leave you alone. The real racism is in the province of ZUID-HOLLAND, especially the Haaglanden region. Cities such as The Hague, Delft, Voorburg, Zoetermeer and many more. Youth unemployment is unbelievably high here.
Many migrants are still dependent on benefits after so many years. The number of young people without a diploma or with a day activity. And I'm not even talking about the rest of the country.
To round it off AMSTERDAM is the best city in the Netherlands right now with the most opportunities DO NOT believe this kind of VICTIM content. AND FOR THE HATERS THIS COMES OUT OF THE MOUTH OF BOY WHOSE PARENTS ARE FROM AFRICA.
@@ishaannag4545 It is indeed true that only regions are shrinking because of the lack of work, but in general life is nice there.
@@ishaannag4545 Yes, I currently live in the Netherlands in Amsterdam/The Hague, I also went to school in Rotterdam for years, so I know how things work here in NL.
@@ishaannag4545 I have family in the uk in cities like London, Birmingham, Leeds. The UK, especially England, is a great country to live in. Just what you see now in all countries in the west. That taxes are going up hard on labor and business taxes. I advise you to make a plan and focus hard on making money for the next 4 years here. Because here we are now gradually adopting the Chinese technocratic Marxist system. And move to south america or africa because life here is going to be bad for a lot of people.
@@ishaannag4545 Haha you can do that if it's your passion. To be clear life in the UK is much better and so are the salaries. The reason why I used South America and Africa as an example is because life is much cheaper there, you don't have those high taxes that you have here. And being black doesn't play any role in Africa.
It's really lit there now you can buy a villa for 20 thousand fun nightlife scenes in west, east and south, Africa. But if you see a future here, focus on earning money like the Chinese, then it will always work out.
@@ishaannag4545 good to hear if you are now working at home due to the pandemic. If you can get away just go to london for a while and see what you think. All my people I know who have gone have not come back.
in holland racism is soft compare to the usa an southafrica maybe there history is bad but in holland is the most tollarate go to france
I know sources say it was that many slaves transported, but I do believe it was a lot, just exaggerated. It was mainly the British, French, and Portuguese. They bought from them
0:40 against racism these football players try to fight
A question for you in this video. Do you want us to delete the black piet and make them white? Than we have a tradition whats 100% white and black people aren't included anymore. I think thats not good also. The pieten need to lose there golden earings and red lipstick but leave them in this tradion because little kids love them and that will take away racisme on a young ace.
But maybe I'm a little bit ignorant ?? And a little bit stupid . let me know. I love everybody on this planet and i hope they love me back. Xx jacco peace
Black Piet looks like the racist propaganda that was proliferated in the United States during slavery and the Jim Crow era. There’s really no way that one did not influence the other (both became popular in the mid 1800s) which is why it’s extremely offensive to black people. The role that Black Piet plays mirrors how white people would portray black people in “minstrel” shows (performances that made fun of/humiliated black people for the entertainment of white people) - very childish and goofy and happy to help and serve their white slave owners. The caricature was created to dehumanize black people, making it easier for racists to justify abusing, torturing, terrorizing and killing them, everyday. Because who cares how they are treated if they aren’t seen as fully human? Black people would rather be excluded from this holiday than have this mascot represent them. Regardless of how he is perceived in the Netherlands, that image will always be incredibly unsettling.
It seems like a lot of Dutch people are either unaware of the history behind it (like yourself) or unable to grasp how disturbing it is because they don’t have to, living in a country where there are few black people. I know why some Dutch people have a hard time comprehending this because this is the way things have always been but it’s just good to understand why it upsets people. Even if children love this character, it really shouldn’t be celebrated. I’m sure it’s really uncomfortable for black people in the Netherlands to have to see it every year. Hope that puts things into perspective.
I couldnt care less wether zwarte piet is black white rainbow or colorless, i think it should just be a fun time for kids, and this whole contraversy could be over. I can see why it can be discriminatory against black folks, so lets remove it. The kids, who it is really about, could not care less...
Oooh ... I have been there and did not notice ... Thank you for this good work. People were so nice, when I was in Amsterdam. However, P lease remember that slavery still exists in Africa. If one of my classmates (at university, in 2007) had not been born in France, she would have been a slave in Africa today. Now, she is a high-ranked executive in a big International firm.
@Stacy Stevens The Dutch were slave traders, but never transported slaves to the Netherlands - we never used slaves outside the colonies.
Good for you..but spare us the Ignorance.rationalization and justification....just be honest and say you dont mind a dont give a fuck about racism in holland.
@@l.timmers7657 Was that towards me? If so, you're wrong. Just stating facts. I'm a corrections officer, have been for over 30 years. If there is one place in the Netherlands where you can see something is wrong, it's in our prison system; the population is not what I'd call a mirror image of what you see on the streets. Colored people are targeted by the police. If you are white and doing something against the law, you get arrested, brought to the police station, booked and send home again awaiting trial. But if you are colored you stay locked up. That has got racism written all over it. My colleagues with a Surinam, Turkish or Maroccan background get checked all the time when the Dutch police is having one of their " pro-active " checkpoints. But the point I made before was about slavery. This might be hard for you to compute, but slavery was already a big thing before Europeans arrived in Africa. and still was after it ended for the European slave traders. The Dutch bought the slaves from Africans, they stepped into an existing market. Another fact you won't like; the Netherlands is not build on slavetrade; it was about 5% of the national income. Why do I think it's hard to compute for you? Simple: I at first couldn't believe it. So I did some fact checking. Don't take my word for it - I didn't when someone told me. Check it yourself. Is this rationalizing? No. Tradings slaves is cruel. Was then, is now.
But I'm not closing my eyes for the big part Africans had in it. Enslaving your enemies was common in Africa. 10 to 12 million of people where transported as slave by Europeans, that's not even half of the slavetrade going on in Africa in that same period! MY point; the European slavetrade is just the tip of the iceberg. There are more victims of slavery than you and me can imaging. That does not make it right, it's not a justification, just facts. www.cafeweltschmerz.nl/tag/piet-emmer/
@benjamin It's not. If you're colored you seldom get what is called " een lopend vonnis ".
Why? 'Cause they stay in custody. Either till their day in court or till the day they think time served will be the outcome of the trial.
@@YoChocoTube Was that towards me ?
Didn’t know #Amsterdam #Netherlands was this racist. Shoutout to ALL the beautiful BLACK people out there for staying ahead of themselves and not letting them Racists get under their skin.
Maybe a shout out for one white person being surrounded by a whole bunch of people to be beaten up.
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This is far from the first time too. Only a major issue now as it was filmed and in the news.
He look sketchy
@FAU OWL TV
Another American view point, so let's get the facts straight first.
- 0.11 That's a 'gaper' (yawner), it is a Moor taking bad tasting medicine. The Moors were Africans that colonized parts of Europe, and brought knowledge about medicine and various drugs. So it's a symbol for pharmacists and drugstores, the symbol predates Dutch colonialism.
- 0.33 The spotlight on racism seems more due to the activists who act like they're the victim of American racism. That's part of the explanation why they protest in English and dress up like Black Panther LARP-ers (the American revolutionary organization from the 60's, not the movie).
- 0.39 The Netherlands doesn't have a long history of racial tensions. You just made that up. It's something new from the last decade.
- 0.35 It doesn't come from slavery. It's not the USA here, slavery was never allowed on Dutch soil since it's beginning as a nation, the Dutch Republic, so when the first wave of immigration from the colonies arrived in the 1920's the old Dutch and the new Dutch could make a fresh start and they did. The tensions arise mainly because the latest continuous and big waves of immigrants who the Dutch don't share a colonial past with often self segregate and refuse to adapt.
- 1.07 The Dutch didn't trade slaves since 1596. They believed slavery was unchristian because we were all god's children and the Dutch Republic was founded by protestants on the idea of freedom of religion and for protestantism in particular and the idea the Spanish king had no right to treat the people as slaves. By 1638 they were less idealistic about it and the West Indische Compagnie gave the governer of Dutch Brazil permission to conquer a Portuguese slave fortress, under the condition that the slaves would be set free after 7 years and were educated in christianity in the meantime. That didn't work out either and about 20 years later they were more efficient slavetraders than the Portuguese and the English, for a while.
In 1596 a Dutch ship had captured a ship of the Spanish enemy which had slaves on it, on arrival in the harbour of Middelburg the mayor declared them free, because everybody was free on Dutch soil by law.
- It's true the Netherlands were not only the first abolitionist but also late with abolishing slavery, but the oppostion against slavery begun much earlier.
- 1.55 The Dutch don't dress up in blackface. Blackface is an English word for an American thing. The Dutch never used face painting to mock or degrade blacks, or to favour white actors over black actors. I only dislike Black Pete since the recent discussion has put the images of American blackface in my head and now I can't see Black Pete without seeing American blackface.
- 2.05 The Dutch weren't still enslaving Africans in 1850, the Dutch slave trade was stopped in 1814. The Dutch didn't enslave Africans themselves btw, they were already enslaved by Africans who sold them on.
- The man who created Black Pete was member of an organization that supported abolition and didn't picture Zwarte Piet as a slave at all.
- 2.27 Afro-Dutch doesn't exist. The Netherlands isn't in Africa so that's a geographical impossibility. Skin colour is not geography, please keep those misnamings in the USA. It's not like black Dutch belong in Africa is it? That's offensive. Afro is a hairdo here, a big spherical curly hairdo. There's never been much black hair straightening here to look 'whiter' like in the USA.
- 2.39 Any idea why 4 out 10 Dutch blacks don't have a problem with Black Pete? I tell you, because it's not blackface of course. And how would you explain Black Pete making it through the 20th century with all those white Dutch protesting segragation and racims in the USA and apartheid in South-Africa?
- 2.49 Dutch white parents didn't remove their children from 'black' schools because of racial prejudice, but because of the bad influence of the muslim kids, mostly not black, on their kids. They don't want their kids to be told that they can't have ham on their sandwiches, that girls and boys have to seperated and can't touch. They drag down the level of education not just because they speak Moroccan or Turkish at home, but also because the boys don't respect the often female and infidel teachers and are often raised with an anti-intellectual, anti-learning, masculine culture. The Surinamese kids don't share that at all and also the Surinamese parents have the same problems with those schools because culturally they take education and litteracy as serious as the Dutch, or even more.
- 3.22 Of course the Dutch don't see that as an improvement. They believe race doesn't and shouldn't matter. If only more people in the world thought like that.
- So we got a restaurant with black people feeling better with black people while living in a mostly white country and flaunting their black victimhood for Americans and threatening with violence, is that really the way forward? Do you wanna be part of Dutch society or be part of the international Afrikan brotherhood that claims whites are always racist and blacks are nothing but victims. There's a choice to make and one of the options won't work.
- 11.05 With your typical American sense of entitlement and cultural imperialims you probably didn't notice the Dutch have their own language and English is not the language to search in if you really wanted to learn about the history of racism in the Netherlands. But you probably didn't search very hard anyway because you already had your mind made up.
The Nelson Mandela park could have helped you on your way, just like the many Martin Luther King schools, or the Kennedy lane. There was actually an extremely rare day of national mourning for Kennedy because of his efforts for racial equality.
I'll help you on your way, I'm bored because of covid19 anyway:
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www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2018/04/paul-christian-flu-the-rector-who-was-broken-by-the-war
Note that allthough not my alma mater, Leiden university is the most prestigious university of the Netherlands, the go to university for the royal family and the main contributor to the 'ruling class' for ages.
First Dutch television series from 1957, on the only channel available and at prime time
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Around that time the Dutch also wanted to send a black Aruban girl to the miss World competition, but the organization refused.
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First black to play for the Dutch national football team which is celebrated at 5.50. At his club debut earlier, the commentator mentions the high number of ladies taking interest in the match. Dutch sexualizing darker skin: guilty
In the UK for example it was still an issue when John Barnes played for English national team in the 80's. By then we had Ruud Gullit, a real captain and leader on and off the pitch.
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It was a bit new for footballers to make 'political' statements like that, but he got nationwide support. The Dutch were so smug about their anti-racism that they saw it as a foreign problem, for nations not as well developped as the Netherlands like Italy. Apartheid had been protested since the 50's. Mandela was extremely popular too as you can see, there was even a bit of disappointment he visited other, of course less supportive, countries first.
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Through all that time Black Pete hasn't been much of an issue. People could have volunteered for an anti-apartheid organization in the day, and dress up like Black Pete in the night. Dutch people didn't know blackface and believed skin colour didn't matter anymore and therefore face painting also didn't. Most protest was in the 1930's but they Black Pete was still a bit of a bogey man. After WWII he changed into the more friendly one and St. Nicholas became the 'bad cop'.
Here are the descendants of Dutch slavery in Curacao expressing their view on Black Pete
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Before Black Pete was showed off internationally as 'proof' of Dutch racism, there were black Americans who visited the Netherlands unprejudiced.
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He's also a bit older and not stuck in his American perspective. Sometimes it's like Americans have just discovered the idea of racial equality and now the world has to know it and they act like they've discovered it first. In my view Americans are now at the point the Dutch reached in the 1920's, including racism among the police. But with typical American cultural imperialism and ignorance they can't handle beeing that late, every Western nation knows how backward they are, and are overreacting and lecturing nations they have a lot to learn from.
Lynott Parris GREAT work, thank you ! Yes, I have observed that many Black Americans have trouble just being human beings and not races. When they arrive somewhere, it's all about racism. But it is easy to understand, as in their own country, they are treated very bad, just because of their skin color. It is difficult to have a mindset free from all this.
流浪漢パリ in the Netherlands you have black pete. That’s racist. In the Netherlands slavery was once legal. That’s racist. You’re delusional if any of you think racism is exclusive to the United States.
This comment is wrong:
Quote: So we got a restaurant with black people feeling better with black people while living in a mostly white country and flaunting their black victimhood for Americans and threatening with violence, is that really the way forward? Do you wanna be part of Dutch society or be part of the international Afrikan brotherhood that claims whites are always racist and blacks are nothing but victims. There's a choice to make and one of the options won't work.
My answer:
The restaurant owner woke up after working at Adecco and having to tell a black girl to take her braids out then she has the job. And these things happen a lot more then YOU KNOW. So he thought he start his own business where everyone (is welcome) to come and eat. But trough his corporate experience learned the real world which led him to start his own...
I can't believe I took the time to read this, but I thank you for setting those things straight from the video. I could already guess that a video like this would have to need corrections like yours.
@@Ned-nw6ge heya berry
Arent we gonna talk about the fact that black people are racist to. It’s always about white people but if a “white” North African Muslim wants to Mary a black Muslim it is not allowed by the white Muslims family and Nobody talks about that. I live in Amsterdam and my dad is a Italian guy but when he’s working night shifts he is being discriminated to by black people and other immigrants but he never complains while it happens at least once in two weeks.
Yes it's under the table racisme.
Brown people are as much of a reacist as other skinned people.
We are all slaves of modern world.
Eat sleep work repeat
Without references the entire video loses its power. Please provide referencing.
You re totally referring to official definitions of slavery. Thats not relevant if you are ya know, enslaved. Russia. They had reds vs white civil war remember, this was pure 4 underprovileged castes. Bourgeois states like england. Where you can be butler maid or wha7ever you call it.
Netherlands has housed many imported people spaniards hugenots , gaga beliefs in general,anyway strangers. This dont mean voc diodn t exist. But this place is not the epicentre of sla..btw whatabout south of usa? 1970 your university sees its first off colour person?? 19 hundred 70 yes, when abba was big. Not 1800
Most of those ppl wearing black face during the St Nic parade; date blacks ... lolol netherlands is just an oxymoron of a nation
Everybody can open any kind of business. That has nothing to do with the color of your skin but with a healty bussisplan.
No dear. Zwarte Piet represents the slaves that Saint Nicholas bought free and when they had no place to go he payed them as his servants that were free to leave their employment at any time. Get your facts straight before playing the racist card by doing at least some research of your own and stop accusing the Dutch being racist coz you are offending the majority of the Dutch population, including me.
Racism is a thing, and in talking about racism, and judging it, one tends to conform to one of either side of the equation.
Rise above that! Idiots will be idiots, and trying to change that will only anoy an allready anoying crowd.
Hey cutie pie
Pointing out issues in the Nederlands is a bit one-sided and only a part of history.
Take a look at the slave trade of the Ghana Empire, Mali Empire and the Songhai Empire.
Bono Manso and Begho in Ghana were important slave markets as early as 1000, well before the European slave trade began.
It was the local rulers who sometimes enslaved up to half the population, and when Europeans came, it was these local rulers who sold their own people as slaves, something they had been doing on a large scale for at least 600 years.
In practice, almost all peoples in Africa used to do slave trade, just like making prisoners of war was common. Fon sold Yoruba; Yoruba sold Fon and Hausa. In the palace of the former slave kingdom of Dahomey (present-day Benin) you can still admire the throne of King Gezo (1818-1858). The long legs rest on four human skulls. His and pastors glorified violence and human sacrifice. When King Glele died in 1889, 41 of his wives were buried alive with him, and hundreds of people beheaded. 18th-century King Kpengla had people beheaded and nailed to his door. Impresses more than gold according to Kpengla.
Missions from 1848 on from Europeans with new ideals such as freedom and equality, came to nothing because "slavery is too much a source of income," said King Gezo. As late as 1890, the king of Dahomey sold thousands of slaves for guns, when the Netherlands and the US had banned slavery already for more than 30 years.
Many more Africans (and Europeans) have been dragged into the Arab slave trade than to America under much worse conditions. It is estimated that up to 60% (mainly women) died during the transport to Saudi Arabia and beyond compared to 5% of the men who were shipped to America.
And nothing is good about all this, but slavery is an internal African problem for over at least 3000+ years, and the Middle East has been participating in this also for thousands of years, which is also part of history. And, remember that slavery still exists in Africa.
Dit is allemaal super irrelevant als het gaat om de trans-atlantische slavernij.
@@gewoonEden Eigenlijk best relevant, want zonder deze al bestaande slavenhandel in Afrika hadden de Europeanen geen arbeiders voor in de koloniën gehad.
Slavery wasn’t a for profit capitalism machine until the Atlantic slave trad… slavery was often a form of temporary punishment for crime or debt. And many African slaves were slaves that were there to prove a leader could care for people….a sort of prestige. It wasn’t until the Atlantic trade that slaves became seen as purely for capital which changed the system from horrible to a fucking nightmare ….. there are different forms of slavery and to lump slavery 3k years ago to 1500s shows pure ignorance of history and economic systems.
African slavery is more comparable to serfdom is Europe; which was a huge industry. It was way less brutal and slavery was not inherented.
Also African slavery was mostly prisoners of war because the Shongai empire fell and that created the power vacuum. So your stament about 'selling their own people' is very misleading.
The idea Europa has no history of internal slavery is just not true. Even look al the Romans, Gauls, Viking, etc. They were huge slave traders. Eastern Europeanen people are called slavs, which literally means 'slaves'.
I'll have a PhD in human traficking and slavery
I’m a white gay native man living in Amsterdam. On the topic of discrimination… guess which ethnicities are mostly responsible for discriminating against the queer community in Amsterdam…?
jij mag het zeggen.
@@darling_savage Ik hoef het niet te zeggen want je weet het al lang.
@@OprechtLetterlijkBizar moslims dus...
@@OprechtLetterlijkBizar ach, wat ben je toch zielig. Waarom keek je naar deze video? Lmao.
@@darling_savage video kwam op m’n pad en was benieuwd naar de mate van zelfmedelijden en naar het vingerwijzen naar de stoute witte oppressor in deze video.
Love the Xmas traditions (sarcastic) Anyone who knows what I’m talking about already knows
So, if Zwarte Piet is so very racist, how do you view his appearance in Curacao in 2015? th-cam.com/video/C0Jq_Y9MnJw/w-d-xo.html (
Rwanda, Uganda BS
Some people are so obsessed about race they see "rascism" in everything
It requires work not too everyday. Everyday I do better.
About racism in The Netherlands...
The picture painted in this video is a bit one sided and superficial.
Is there racism in The Netherlands? Of course.
Is that a bad thing? Of course.
Should it be fully eradicated? Of course.
Is this likely to happen in the foreseeable future? Unfortunately, I believe that will not be the case.
But this video is a bit disingenuous. If it was fair, and I believe it is not, then it should compare racism in The Netherlands with some other comparable cutural, social and econonic countries. Such as, but not limited to, Germany, France, the UK, Canada and the USA.
Would The Netherlands, on average, fare any worse than these countries?
I don't know. But, honestly, I do not expect that to be the case.
But the point is that this reporter did not even consider this. Or at least failed to mention this.
good points i fully agree to, there is always two sides to a story.
The Netherlands doesn't have a "long history of racial tensions" at all, nor does it have ANYTHING to with slavery. What Americans don't seem to understand is that while Dutch merchants were prolific slave traders in the 17th century slavery was actually illegal in the Netherlands itself (as opposed to the colonies, where it was legal), so we've never had significant amounts of slaves among the population here like the US had. As a result we don't have a history of segregation and racial tensions like in the US. SO PLEASE STOP READING YOUR OWN HISTORY INTO OUR TRADITIONS! The recent racial tensions in the Netherlands have nothing to do with slavery, they are related to Moroccan and Turkish migrants that came here in the 60's and 70's to work. At the time everyone expected them to earn some money here and then leave, not realizing they would ultimately bring their families here and stay. That is the cause of the current tensions, not some imagined tradition going back to 'slavery'.
That Black Pete reminds you of slavery is only because you come from the US, where slavery did lead to major racial tensions because slaves were a big part of the population. In the netherlands we've also never had minstrel shows and Jim Crowe-type charicatures so we don't associate black face paint with racist blackface traditions (because we don't have such traditions).
@duxd1452 The Netherlands doesn't have a "long history of racial tensions"
Are you slow? Apartheid was created by Hendrik Verwoerd, born in the Netherlands. An incredible Dutch export product, wouldnt you say? You should be proud!
@@darling_savage I didnt say the Dutch didnt practice slavery, I said we never had slaves IN the Netherlands because it was illegal outside the colonies. So we dont have traditions like blackface or racial theatre. That stuff is much longer ago for us and was never relevant in our country itself. The US has a very recent history of slavery INSIDE America. Quite a difference and the reason you are much more sensitive to stuff like blackface. But dont read your history into ours. En van Woerdt was South African, he only was of Dutch decent like most South African Afrikaans speakers. But he never even lived here, he emigrated when he was 2 years old. Raisde in a whole different culture. Are all Americans this ignorant of history outside their own county?
@duxd1452 i was born and raised in the Netherlands lmao. Yikes to assume I'm american, making an ass out yourself displaying flaws in your thinking. I love it. Afrikaners are literally Dutch colonizers, your ancestors mate. Also, if the Netherlands could rightly give back everything they've stolen from Suriname for about 400 !! years, I think most Surinamese ppl there would absolutely happily go back to where they fucking came from. Heb tot mn 30ste daar gewoond, gap. The fact that dutch people don't have a history with minstrel shows doesn't mean that the blackface image wasnt intented to make a mockery out of black people there. Again, you must be slow. Why not go ahead and say racism doesn't exist at all in the netherlands, I mean you might as well. Be brave! Lol