Hey, guys welcome back to my channel! Would love to know your thoughts below! Have you had similar experiences? Or very different experiences? Feel free to share~
Cool video. Just want to point out that when people here speak Portuguese to you, they're not assuming that you are Portuguese. They're speaking Portuguese to you simply because the vast majority of black people in Portugal are immigrants (or their descendants) from the ex-colonies who also speak Portuguese. It just so happens that Portuguese is also widely spoken in most Portuguese ex-colonies in Africa. Cheers EDIT: Oh, also ethnic diversity isn't that great in the whole of Portugal. It's mostly concentrated in Lisbon and a few other major urban centers in the coastline. In smaller cities and villages, and towards the interior, the population is still overwhelmingly ethnically Portuguese (white).
@@arcanjocesario5986 Thank you for your input. "Portuguese" by definition then according to your comment means someone who is from PORTUGAL specially? (born there, with parents who were from there too?) . Just clarify for me. Thanks .
@@ShauntelAngelica I'm afraid what "being Portuguese" means is a very subjective thing. Each person will give the term whatever meaning they see fit. The definition you suggest is probably close to how many ethnically Portuguese people think or feel about it (for many, it probably goes beyond just parents). They'll think about it in terms of ethnic lines/cultural history. Might be close-minded and backwards way of thinking, but, on the other hand, I also don't feel comfortable saying "I am Portuguese" because I don't know what that really means. I have an idea of what that entails on a superficial level, but don't feel connected to it. It'd obviously be a facade to claim "I am Portuguese" with any conviction. It's ultimately meaningless, but that's easy for me to say. Maybe I would feel differently if my family history had indeed been ethnically Portuguese and not African. I do appreciate certain aspects of the Portuguese culture, but I don't feel particularly attached to it. Others may. I was born and raised in Portugal (my parents were African immigrants), but I prefer to just say "I have Portuguese nationality." My citizenship is defined by a legally-binding formality. That's all. I'm grateful for enjoying full rights of "being Portuguese." I am privileged. Anyway, I was just trying to convey the perspective of someone who spontaneously speaks in Portuguese to a black person in Portugal. People don't usually assume that your nationality is Portuguese, but they also don't necessarily assume that you're an immigrant (there are also black people born in Portugal and with Portuguese citizenship, all descendants of immigrants from former colonies). They'll obviously see that you're ethnically African, so assumptions about your origins will be one of the former colonies until they hear you speak English.
@@ShauntelAngelica Sorry, I realized my previous answer to your question might have been unnecessarily pedantic and unclear. Basically, yes, I meant someone who is a native from Portugal.
I am English with a Portugeuse wife (African heritage) and have been visiting Portugal for many years. In general the Portugeuse are the most friendly and accomodating people I have met in my travels across the world. Portugal's history is rich and chequered and helps explain much about the Portugeuse people. Portugal's recent history is very relevant. It is worth learning how Salazar turned Portugal into an impoverished nation with slums; some of which were only removed ten years ago. The Portugeuse are nation/house proud. If one enters their country/house and proceeds to provide constructive criticism then expect a bit of push back. For the Portugeuese, the right to provide such criticism has to be earned. In general, I have been humbled by the Portugeuse people and their open hospitable nature. Having witnessed English speaking tourists acting like speaking English is an inherent right, I am amazed the Portugeuse have remained so helpful. The little push back in Portugal is nothing compared to some European countries. Regarding Brasilian, Brasilian is to Portugeues what deep south American is to UK English. There are aspects of Brasilian grammar and language that do not fit Portugal and come across as impertinent; like being called brother or sister in the UK by someone on the street, fine in some contexts but not most. On the topic of sexism, it is a double edged blade. The Portugeuse is a Catholic country and has taditional values and no doubt old habits die hard. However, I personally know a number of successful business women, and I believe more property in Portugal is owned by women than men. It is true women in Portugal, on the whole, are expected to act respectfully and in turn are treated with respect; if you wonder what I mean by this watch videos of British female behaviours at bar closing times. :o)
Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment. I completely agree with your observation that Portuguese people, in general, are very hospitable and helpful. You've rightly pointed out that despite the challenges of migration impacting aspects like housing, the overall demeanor of Portuguese people remains hospitable and welcoming. The historical context you provided regarding the reasons for sexism was also interesting. I appreciate your contribution and, once again, thank you for such a great comment. I've learned a few things from it as well.
@@ShauntelAngelica You might find it interesting to know that the black Portuguese I know do not refer to themselves as afro-portugeuse or African Portuguese, they just say they are Portuguese and they are proud of it. Prefixes are not a Portuguese thing, what prefix is considered ok for white Angolans naturalised Portuguese, they can have many generations of family heritage in Angola. Integration with Portuguese culture, while respecting heritage, has been a positive thing. The challenge Portugal now faces, like many countries, is immigration without cultural integration (and I include the little Britain enclaves in that). Personally, I have chosen to relocate to where there are few English speakers and intend to speak Portuguese, even if badly.
@@AStanden-k1n They should be referring to themselves as black and african foremost! because the white Portuguese are definitely saying otherwise in doors (and you know this). Rather not loose yourself in the fake sense of assimilation. Now thats a lost identity and identity crises awaiting
Lisbon has the biggest and oldest black community in the Iberian Peninsula. There has been a black community in Lisbon since at least the 16th century. What's interesting about it is that large black communities are rare in Southern Europe, except Portugal and maybe Southern France. In Lisbon you can find an unusual cultural mix between southern European culture (in this case Portuguese) and sub-saharan African culture.
There are no black (yellow, red) communities in Spain, Portugal or france. These people are angolan, mozambican, Caoe Verdian, Senegalese etc. Its about nation and not a colour race concept. People from different african countries in Western or central europe dont have relationships amongst each other as well as vietnamese, japanese or Philipine people are not more likely to have social relations among one another based on the notion "yellow" than having relations to the native population. This kind of intermingling based on a weird colour race concept doesent exist in Europe.
I don't think they're sub Saharan Africans. Pretty sure they're the descendants of the blacks Jews that the Spanish were persecuting during the 16th century
Older Portuguese don't speak English but new generation all speak English. English is widely spoken in Lisbon, Algarve, Madeira and Porto and they love to speak to you in English. Older generation is different, many do not have a lot of education, therefore have those attitudes...
Along with the Netherlands, Portugal is the country where most people speak English well, despite not being native speakers. Also older generations mostly spoke French, which was the international language up until the 80s really!
Normally older folk can speak French (even if only a little bit) But as David said, most younger people can speak english and sometimes a 3rd/4th language I had French (could also choose Spanish if i wanted) for 3 years from 7th to 9th grade, but forgot most of it by now, ahaha
Yes! I agree in that perhaps the person who may not speak English or very little it is all one's comfort zone. I would say all a wonderful learning experience positive and negative Blessings ✈️🌎
You seem like a lovely young lady. Keep traveling and keep exploring. Out of everything I have ever done in my life, traveling is by far the most rewarding no matter if it's a good or bad experience.
Just came across your channel. I’m of Jamaican descent and looking to move to Portugal soon. So it’s great to hear your experience. Because I’m trying to convince my very JAMAICAN mother to move with me and my daughter. 😊
Thank you for sharing! I've lived in Portugal for 4 months. I have found that when I lead with Portuguese, it helps people to be more gracious. But I have found when I lead with English, especially at a government agency, they do seem to be a bit offended. Also, I agree that there does seem to be more issues of sexism or nationalism than race based issues. But for the most part, people have been super nice and welcoming and friendly to me!
You are right! Over time, I have learned that too. Thankfully, now I speak Portuguese, and it has been very helpful. And you are right-Portuguese people are welcoming!
People assume you speak Portuguese because in Portugal there are many Africans from portuguese speaking countries so for us is normal that black people speak portuguese. In Portugal there are people with very different skin tones due to our history, first we were invaded by the romans, then the visigoths, then the arabs after that we went to explore the world and we reach all continents, also it was normal for Portuguese sailors marry native people this is why you have a lot of mix Portuguese.
My partner is Portuguese and I have been Portugal a few times with him over the years but only short visits. I have been learning to speak Portguese for a few years (on and off) and now I can understand most things if spoken slowly! Your video was super interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences xx
Love hearing your perspective on living there. I've recently started to think about if I'd like living there too since I loved my visit to Lisbon and Porto so much. Looking forward to diving into more of your videos!
Hi @ShauntelAngelica, thank you very much for sharing your experience. I am Portuguese (born and raised), my family is from St. Tome e Principe and I now live in the UK. Because of my experience I'm always surprised when people mention 'you will not stand out in Portugal', my first thought is 'why would you'? Again this is based on my personal experience. Overall people in Portugal are very friendly and welcoming. There will be occasions where you will meet someone and transition from being a stranger-friend-family very quickly. Hope you have a fantastic time in Portugal.
Hi Karla, it is nice to read your experiences! It is always interesting to hear from those who were born and raised in Portugal. I also totally understand what you mean about the "you will not stand out in Portugal". Have a good time in the UK as well!
your experience is clearly Lisbon. For a portuguese, the assumption when seeing a black person will immediately be that he/she stems from one of the former african colonies, namely Angolan or Mozambique, of which quite a lot live in the outskirts of the large city centres like Lisbon or Porto and hold portuguese citizenship. Beyond that many non-black portuguese are themselves born in one of the colonies and hold somewhat sentimental memories. That being said, the general population in portugal sees themselves as what they have become over the past 2000 years: a unique mixture of ibero-celtic (lusitanian), roman, arabic, and germanic ethnicities and cultures that has managed to defend itself against all external attempts of conquest, particularily from spain.
we need to defend our culture and traditions. These immigrants come and tell us what to do and how to act. You must be kidding me. If they come they need to act under our values, otherwise they can leave. "In Rome act like a Roman"
@@pedrofaria6236 What do you mean? I think the video was very insightful and in no way disrespectful. She isn't telling anyone what to do and how to act! I'm Portuguese and I didn't feel disrepected!
I was getting ready to counter you but you ended up saying the truth. I have not experienced any form of discrimination. They love my sons so much. Well-done.
I’m portuguese and I agree with you on the subject of sexism. After living abroad for almost 15 years even the commercials on tv are much more sexist (I will say extremely sexist) than in other european countries. When I said that recently to friends I had to give examples because being part of the society they don’t even realize it.
Thanks for your comment. I'm glad you understand. I have had really awesome friendships and experiences with both men and women in Portugal, but it's true that sexism does exist, and I know it can be hard to see if you someone has lived in Portugal their whole life.
Thank you so much Shauntel, for your very candid video. I am a white Norwegian, and it makes me so sad to hear how you are treated in Portugal. I speak Portugese but they always switch to english with me. With you they tell you to speak portuegese. So sad and frustrating. Thanks for the love and kindness in your heart! It touches me. If you ever want to talk about these things I love to listen. Lots of Love and Light! Namaste!
Most of the older generation were not able to conclude school because they were forced to go to work really young, because of that sometimes they can get really defensive when someone talks in english (or even when talking portuguese and using some english words in the mix). The anger is more about what they feel was taken from them then about you. And as a portuguese woman I can tell that you are right about the sexism, its getting better, and its not as agressive as other places, but its a constant in everything, and it cames from both men and women. Its the constant comments about what you should and shouldn't do as a woman. Or if you work or talk about something that people think is more oriented for men having to prove yourself constatly just so your opinion is considered. And its me saying this and someone else coming here saying that my experience is invalid just because they did not experienced it themselves.
I can’t lie I am ready to leave USA for portugal 🇵🇹 it has everything I need and more pretty hype thank you for the video I do have to learn Portuguese 😎
It’s not a matter of sticking out for in the crowd - the problems comes when you need assistance from the society or bureaucracy and so not speak the language and are of other heritage. I lived in Portugal for 5 years it’s one of the countries in Europe me and my community faced the most discriminations. I’m not talking about the local cafes or restaurants - they are used to tourists, I am talking about to he facilities owned by government etc that’s where you face the challenge
This was SUCH an informative video! Thank you. Now I know what to expect when I visit on my solo trip. USA here. We are not “Get Out” nice in every state, lol. It depends on the region of the US I think. Great video though. Very good.
A very brave video and thanks for your opinions. As a conscious 60+ year old Blackman born in the UK but now semi retired in Abuja, Nigeria I love Portugal and it's my first go to European country when now visiting Europe even ahead of the UK. Admitted I mostly visit Lisbon and then the Algarve and Porto. Mainly due to the language barrier as I don't like sticking out. However that said I do think Portugal is missing an opportunity by not confrontation some of its past history when it comes to slavery and colonialism. Portugal was the first European country to start the sale of enslaved Africans. Vist the small slavery museum in Lagos in the Algarve for more on this. It was also the last European country to give independence to it African colonies and that was after a violent war of oppression in those countries. Also the Portuguese government agencies do NOT breakdown their statistics on the basis of race and heritage so its difficult to measure institutional racism in government agencies sych as housing, health and the police. Black Portuguese are also not well represented in the Portuguese media. And its a disappointment that the Lisbon government still haven't allowed the monument to acknowledge the role Slavery played in Portugal to be erected. For anyone wanting a balanced intro into the Black Portuguese experience and history as it relates to Portugal I would advise contacting Naky of the Black Lisbon Tour project, based in Lisbon However all said and done however I still love Portugal and look forward to my often yearly visits to Portugal and if not because of the idiotic Brexit vote in the UK my retirement plan was to spend January to May of ever year living in Portugal enjoying the weather, people and learning the somewhat difficult language
Thank you so much for such an insightful comment! What you’ve said put a lot of things into perspective. Portugal also is hands down my favourite country in Europe of the 10 other countries I’ve been to, and of course even though we don’t have the right as outsiders to mingle into their affairs as a country I do believe it has great potential to be even better than it is now when it comes to socio political history and said realities.
@@timasuna1756 why would I cry if they told me to jog off??? I would just regard such people as ignorant with no understanding of their history warts and all. As much as I enjoy visiting Portugal and I will be back there next year the reality is one man's "discovery" is another man's slavery and exploitation
Loved the analysis of the Portuguese people. In fact, I really liked you video. Very honest e “real”. Welcome to Portugal. I hope you have a great time here.
Once you learn the language, it will be more apparent. I lived there for a while and I can tell you, they are very racist. I really surprised that so many African Americans are moving there. I was in Porto and the lady wouldn't rent me a room at a hotel because, according to her, the owner didn't want to rent to black people. Once you get out of Lisbon, you will find a different world. They don't hide it at all. I hope you enjoy your stay.
I think that's a minority. There's a wave of African Americans moving to Portugal and by far their experiences have been positive from the TH-cam reports.
@@davidmartinspresents TH-cam offers insight only into a very minuscule percentage of the expat cohort here, but I do hope you are correct, that his experience is not widespread. But who's to say...
@@ShauntelAngelica I agree that TH-cam is only a small percentage of the expat experience. However, I do have the added experience of having lived in Portugal during my early childhood. I do see a big difference between the USA and Portugal, I think it's much, much worse in the United States. I think sexism is a bigger problem in Portugal than racism, although that is beginning to slowly change. I would like to put out a disclaimer that there are plenty of people that I dislike because of their attitudes and behaviors, regardless if they are white, black, Asian, or any other race. Because I was born in Portugal, I do hold the Portuguese to a higher standard and I do get very irritated with backward opinions that some Portuguese have...
My issue is that I'm learning Portuguese but I live in the Midwest and there's no one to seriously practice with, so I know I'll be very insecure about it. I lived in Spain as a child and when we went to Portugal I don't remember it being an issue but my parents were military so it probably had something to do with the abundance of English speakers.
All the best with your lessons! Speaking Portuguese will be very helpful! And you will have many people very happy and willing to help you boost your confidence with speaking.
Hey @technicallyimme I’m starting to learn Portuguese as well. I have a trip planned for December to visit places outside of Lisbon. Im looking for a partners to practice with. If you’re interested in talking about Portugal and sharing knowledge feel free to connect.
I'm from St Louis but now I live here in Phoenix Arizona. I'm looking to build a second home and considering visiting Portugal; because I've heard such good things about from the black community.
I’m a first generation Honduran American single mother raising a half black son and am considering leaving the US. Finding a place where that will accept us both, more importantly him, is so important to me. So thank you for your video!
Before Cristiano Ronaldo, in the 60's the best portuguese soccer player was black. He was called Eusebio and was very popular. There is a statue of Eusebio in Lisbon, in the stadium of the biggest soccer team of Portugal, Benfica.
Black American living in Sweden, here. Where were you in Sweden that you were stared at? It doesn't sound like it was Stockholm, Gothenburg, or Malmo (the big 3 cities). Most problems expats have is trying to get along in another country like they do in their native country. Im fluent in Portuguese and have had no problems in Brazil or Portugal. If you make even a half-hearted attempt to communicate in Portuguese it will get you far.
I'm a white Portuguese-American woman; I have strong ties to the country and will retire there, so I'm very curious about all aspects of the life because I have never stayed there for more than three months at a time and want to hear the truth about people's experience. I was bracing myself for what you had to say about racism because I feel that racism is so prominent in the US, and when I visit Portugal, it seems way less racist, and I was hoping this wasn't just wishful thinking. Sadly, I think it exists more overtly in rural areas where there are fewer black people. I'm glad to hear your take on it. As far as the sexism, I agree. I feel very safe as a female solo traveler there, but I am a bit babied by male relatives. I've never worked or gone to school there, so I was curious. What surprised me the most was the defensiveness and people saying to speak Portuguese. As a traveler, you can find people who speak English in every big city, and so many people speak English, so that blew me away that that happened to you. I live in the US, where patriotism is like a disease sometimes. I haven't experienced the defensiveness in Portugal, but maybe it's so much less than the US that I don't notice it as much. Thank you so much for sharing!
If you don’t speak Portuguese imo you will be considered an American or a foreigner, most young people speak English because most of us started learned it in primary school but old people most only have the 4th grade, in rural cities with a lot of emigrants population some might know some French,German. For retirement is a good place to work it’s not especially compared to the USA. Sexism is because of Catholic values and been isolated from the rest of Europe because of a dictatorship is something slowly changing but grandmas are still alive so it will take a bit. We can speak bad about Portugal but foreigners can’t😂
Thank you my daughter and grandson just moved there so these videos help me to get a better understanding of the country in case the decide to make Portugal their regular home.
Hello… you are right about sexism… Although we have in our universities more than 50% women studying, our society is very paternalistic yet… women have to work much more then men to be recognized… and we still have a serious problem of domestic violence… not to speak of men killing women out of jealousy… I guess it’s because women are much more independent now and men don’t know how to deal with it… About racism, we have it too, but as a white person I’ll describe it as more subtle… we notice in little things, some of them not clear to me… only talking with some black friends they explain to me…but I hope things will get better… nothing like we see in USA
That's my reading of the energy of the people of Madeira😊. I had a nice vacations there in December 2022. They were not hostile or cold to tourists just conservative people living their own lives. Is racism there ? most certainly but I did not experience any thing negative all. So for me personally I had a positive experience there.
I only experienced language barriers with the older generation, 45 and up. Locals explained to me that English language was not taught in schools many years ago. But now its compulsory so the younger generation know how to speak. And professionals like bankers, hotel receptionists and most tourist business have alot of English speaking staff, at least 3 out of the bunch will speak English. Just ask to be refered to English speaking staff they will be glad to assist you.
Hi, let me explain that I am 65 and studied English and French at school, sadly I didn't learn German which was also taught. It happens that most people just didn't learn languages because their area of studies didn't include it. Or maybe they left school too soon... English and French were mandatory those days. 🙂
@@mariam.3224 interesting, as it was a Portuguese man that stated it to be a fact. I guess some didn't go to school and feel uncomfortable saying that.
@@siriusqueen3476 Although the languages were available to learn, a lot of people from older generations (like my grand parents) lived in the country side where school was often put aside in order to work the fields, helping their own parents and so forth. Most older people in those "off-grid" villages did like till 4th grade, and started working right after. Hence there is this big gap still, between older generations and newer ones. Also, back in the day having a colorless TV was already fancy, let alone having the same exposure and internet acess that my own generation experienced back in 1990.
thank you for this video, beautiful. i am a austrian jamaican which will be there very soon and thinking about moving to lisbon in future - this is a very helpful video.
Untill you speak or try to speak portuguese you always be consider a tourist. We enjoy that people at least try to learn our language and not aspect us to speak other languege.
I am a tourist and will always stay a tourist I can't be pressured to speak any foreign language so the locals accept me. I will learn a foreign language because I like it and want to on my on terms 😊😁
@@globalismoblackman I don’t think that’s a nice thing to say. How will you feel if a tourist comes to your country and starts speaking a foreign language without even trying to say a word or 2 of yours? Why then do you go to a country and not even learn the basic greetings?
@@ImoDouglas I cannot and will NOT force any tourists to speak my language if they dont have the desire and motivation its a choice NOT an obligation to speak my language.
@samueldefaria6726 Stop clout chasing you little attention seeking punk talking slick at me. Do i know you ? NO. So STOP communicating with me I DONT care to know you. I stand by my conviction I DON'T have to learn a foreign language by duress. I will learn a foreign language of my choice because I choose to not because I am compelled to because I have visited a foreign country.
Wow, this is unbelievable. We're returning to the land of our oppressors, with seemingly no understanding of history. Portugal was one of the primary countries that initiated the transatlantic slave trade. Despite how educated some folks may claim to be, they still gravitate toward the very nation that enslaved our ancestors and where it all began. Never an apology or anything
What a great comment you made and very accurate. Portuguese will be genuinely nice to you but not be overly nice or fake just because you are a foreigner. They are just pleasant and friendly. Great observation . Have a wonderful time there . We welcome you .
You are so beautiful. I just discovered your channel. I have been in Portugal for 12 years and I can tell you that there is racism but not systemic, not like in USA, or Italy, but it is very well present. The direct way to feel it is when you are looking for an apartment or a house for renting. I have been through it all and I can stand 10 toes on my own experience, at least in Lisbon. When it comes to sexism, I totally agree, 100%. I also agree when it comes to them being defensive. Oooooh girl, when it comes to the language, don't even get me started hahahahaha. They really really really have that way of telling you "how dare you don't speak Portuguese ?" I have a lot to say on that in 12 years. I would only say, they have one single language and most of them don't even speak another language, but they act like foreigners don't already speak at least one language better than them and where born Portuguese. They are welcoming, warm and it decreased, as I can confirm it was way better until early 2016, but when you live with them, you start seeing things that aren't that much lovely. But I love the country sooo much. and thank you for being authentic on this video.
Thank you!! And thank you so much for your comment. I can resonate with some of what you have said because you have summed up the experience of living here so well in sharing your own 12 years of being here! Despite certain realities as you have mentioned in your comment, I will always LOVE Portugal too!
I am a Portuguese man and I believe sexism is a problem all around the planet in various levels. I think differently only because I grew up watching my mother fighting with my father and facing the problems head on which showed me that women may be anatomically "weaker" by nature but if a woman's intellect gets to face the same challenges in life she will rise up to the occasion with her body as well. A man will always use sexism to feel more manly around women , the same way men call other men "baby", "little girl" or even a "chicken" to feel more empowered against a rival and not because they fear a baby, a little girl or even a chicken. It is misogynistic behavior and it is still being fought against around the planet. Racism in Portugal does exist not because Portuguese believe black people to be less capable of achieving great things, as we have had for example one of the best sportsman in Portugal, named Eusebio and of African descent and he was respected and loved in our country so, the color of the skin matters not. What mainly triggers racist behavior is the assumption that only outsiders are the cause of the problems in our countries and not the natives themselves. It is complex and we should just see it as a funny behavior because if you really spot the silliness around any type of racist behavior you will certainly laugh at racist people in spite of its dangers.
@ShauntelAngelica i face racism here in Portugal. For me Portugal is a racist country. Only some people are good others are racist. I face racism in my workplace and that is too much. But I can’t say a single word because it’s very difficult to get a job here if you don’t have TRC.
Yes, there’s a lot of black people in the south (especially Lisbon), try to go to the north… I live in Porto and i’m the only black person in MANY places
Here are my two cents about your video (WARNING: contains potentially contentious opinions): a) Portugal is a lot more about social position, money and gender than about race. Racism exists but it comes only in third or fourth place in the factors that may (or may not) affect how one is seen by others. The 2013 Oprah Winfrey hissy fit in Switzerland while shopping for a $38K purse is difficult to understand from a Portuguese perspective... b) We have a saying here 'Em Portugal não há racismo, só há racismozinho' which I would translate as 'In Portugal you'll only find petty racism' (as in petty crime vs serious crime) in my opinion it is a very accurate way of describing the situation here c) If I saw you on the street I'd assume you to be Portuguese (as happened with other people who assumed you were Portuguese and started speaking in PT with you). In a way you thought that was a good thing, but there is a subtle dimension to it that you are probably missing. We look at Angolans, Mozambicans, etc and many of us think "Portuguese"... do you understand where I'm coming from? It is a good thing unless the person in question's position is "I'm not Portuguese, we've become "Angolans" since 1975, get that in your thick head". It is a totally reverse mindset compared to the American point of view... there is a type of "racism" in Portugal that sees Angolans, Mozambicans, etc as Portuguese because it refuses to accept that those countries' independence is for real. Weird, isn't it? d) I think you're also missing some dimensions of the "We're in Portugal, speak Portuguese" reaction. I've heard that sentence several times in my life, and it was always uttered by low class, low culture people. Those are almost the only people in Portugal who won't speak at least some English. That sentence stems from a low class inferiority complex, rather than from a jingoist attitude. Also very few Brazilians will speak English, and there are LOTS of Brazilians in Portugal. Are you sure some of the people who said that sentence weren't actually Brazilian?
Thank you for your perspective Pedro. It was great reading this . It goes to show how a shift in perspective can change everything and how one’s socialization and historial connection affects how we view the world or a particular situation . Our modern society is so filled with a lot of twists and turns and everything is more than how it is on the surface which is great in many ways but at the same time can be problematic… perfect for highlighting injustices but also it can poison our minds from “moving on” or even interpreting things that are not there . As Jamaican would you say then since I share a different historial background to ex colonies of Portugal that I have more “peace of mind” living here than say those from ex colonies ? As I don’t have to incorporate certain historial events that would affect how I see life and the people here ? I think so. Would you agree ?
@@ShauntelAngelica Yes I agree, you benefit from the Portuguese integrationist attitude while not suffering from colonial traumas. Some people from our ex-colonies, particularly the Angolans, hold a grudge against Portugal. It is very ambivalent though, because at the same time they may hold a grudge, they also feel a lot safer in Portugal than in their countries of origin. Some of them are torn between, "I don't like Portugal's past history" and "but Angola did not turn out what we all wanted it to be after independence". The ones that cannot solve this dilemma live in a weird limbo of unresolved emotions. It doesn't affect everybody the same way though. Goans for instance, are totally unaffected by it. In my opinion, no one is more "Portuguese" than the Goans. In the space of three generations they twice lost everything they owned because they refused to let go of their Portuguese identity. When Goa was taken over by India in 1961, they left Goa, mostly to Mozambique, because they refused to become "Indian". Then in 1975, When Mozambique became independent, they again lost everything and moved en masse to continental Portugal, again refusing to cease being Portuguese. The reward is plain to see, Goans and Ismaelites have climbed our social pyramid to the very top, and own or manage innumerable Portuguese companies, not to mention that our Prime Minister is of Goan origin. In Portugal money and power always trump everything else. If you are culturally Portuguese, speak with any version of European Portuguese accent (Lisbon, Porto, Alentejo, Madeira, whatever), and look prosperous you'll be treated deferentially, regardless of gender or race. While many Portuguese of African origin speak with some degree of African accent, the Goans tend to speak with a Lisbon accent. Small details sometimes make a big difference...
@@UbuTube Thank you for the information Pedro . It’s very good learning more about the history which in all sense is quite interesting.. Coming from a country that was colonized as well, I can understand how ex colonies are still economically in the semi periphery or periphery and will probably never be considered apart of the “core” in my lifetime . It’s not by accident that most ex colonies whether from the Portuguese , Spanish , British etc are still struggling today comparatively less stabilized than the countries that colonized them who undoubtedly have the benefit of better socio economic stability. Overall it’s draining to think about these things but also important to have these kind of discussions . All things considered, at this point of my life , my main goal is to go out with positive vibes wherever I am , meet good people ( which most people in the world are ) and try to be a good steward in the society.
Being of Portuguese culture ( first generation Canadian) i must agree with your perception of racism in the portuguese culture and/ communities ...although there is always the exception Many Portuguese are of mixed races and ethnicities even prior to the exploration years and it just increased with the years and centuries of exploration...
@Short Scenes From Old Movies that's a lot of bizarre mental gymnastics to attempt to explain how racism works in Portugal lol. Sorry, but I feel like you're just making it up. The reason most Portuguese people will speak Portuguese to a black person in Portugal is simply the fact that most black immigrants (and their descendants) in Portugal came from the ex-colonies, where Portuguese is also widely spoken. It has nothing to do about assuming one's citizenship. I'm a black dude born and raised in Portugal. I'm in my thirties and never has anyone automatically assumed I was Portuguese when people actually tried to guess my nationality or where I came from, even though I have no perceptible African accent when I speak. And if that were the case I find it very unlikely that it would be due to some weird unwillingness to recognize the independence of the ex-colonies. I'm pretty sure most Portuguese are actually glad those territories are no longer Portuguese territory given how slowly those countries' economies and standards of living have developed since their independence (and this could perhaps premise a much more sound "theory" of racism in Portugal, but even then, no first world country in the world would want to claim any sort of ownership over any economically challenged third world country, so even this is a poor justification for the whys and hows of racism in Portugal). Note that I'm not denying that there is racism in Portugal. I'm just saying that your opinion about racism in Portugal definitely sounds dubious and farfetched.
Too funny. Taxi drivers can be the worst. You don't have to be black or not speak Portuguese to get rubbish attitude from taxistas. A few years ago, friends of mine, Brazilian ladies in their 40s and 50s with good Portuguese jobs who obviously spoke Portuguese and who all loved Portugal, were verbally assaulted by a taxi driver who clearly hated foreigners, even Portuguese speaking foreigners. I've had problems with taxi drivers too, and I'm a Portuguese white dude. Some people you just can't fix.
but, to tell the truth: weren't those ladies speaking brazilian rather than portuguese? There is a vast difference in pronounciation, and my experience is that most brazilians make no attemt of hiding or adapting it. I have quite often heard portuguese people, even well-eduacated ones, state their reservations against brazilians.
@@emersonalencar8381 not sure. If americans were to immigrate to england in large numbers, some brits might indeed object. I am of the (admittedly somewhat outdated) opinion that it is up to the receiving population whom they will receive and under what conditions.
@@ApenasUmSenhor It's not an easy trick to change your accent, regardless of language. And European Portuguese is particularly difficult. The Portuguese have a much easier time learning other languages and adopting the Brazilian accent than vice versa. It is what it is.
I live in lisbon,i met an old woman at the health center who was so mean to me and the kids because i couldn't express myself in portuguese 😢she said to me "U ARE A BAD PERSON"just because i couldn't speak portuguese language after 1month in lisbon😢
You will meet people who get upset if you are unable to communicate in Portuguese. I hope that sharing this video, you understand that you are not alone. Don't let it get you down; the more you are here, the more you will learn the language and be able to communicate in it. It has been 8 months since you commented; how is your Portuguese now?
Portugal sounds like the place for ME! I've always hated the US and while there are things I love about the actual country; easy continental travel, niagara falls, tech, entertainment places (roller coasters, Kalahari, etc) basic peace of mind, equal treatment, and right to life remain subjective and in some areas "elusive". I have personal stories of discrimination stunted mobility, hate speech and high-level exclusion politics. Frankly, as a women who works in the corporate world, whilst I don't agree with "boys club" politics I do still prefer not to be subjected to racist mentalities. The "assumption" of superiority over someone or group based on ethnicity is so utterly ridiculous and leads to the ridiculous and tragic behavior you find here in the States. I loved in Costa Rica for years and regret coming back (my mom was sick) and staying here. Young lady, you're doing great! Go LIVE where you want and remember being "black" is not special, your culture (inside jokes, food, beliefs, values) is what defines you. We are all more than what people see.
@@ShauntelAngelicae Portugal é um país misto na margem sul teem muitos brancos que são angolanos e tá tudo habituado a misturas , mas quanto mais norte mais de lado olham e Lisboa centro tbm é estranho com os palopes ou raça mistas… não sei escrever inglês direito 😂 traduz só 😅
CONSTITUTION OF THE PORTUGUESE REPUBLIC Article 13 (Principle of equality) 1. All citizens possess the same social dignity and are equal before the law. 2. No one may be privileged, favoured, prejudiced, deprived of any right or exempted from any duty for reasons of ancestry, sex, race, language, territory of origin, religion, political or ideological beliefs, education, economic situation, social circumstances or sexual orientation.
These comments are rather bizarre. The African communties are there because of an unfortunate reason not just because they happen to be there. It is also visible to see how unhappy there unless one lives in their own world. Lisbon was definitely an experience and a difficult one.
You're most welcome. I've learned over the years that when we have been blessed to have a giraffe's view it seldom serves us to trust the turtle's view.
hi shauntel, I hope you have had better experiences since then, but I would like to give you my perspective about sexism! I know there is some fringe of the portuguese culture that still behaves in some sort of sexist (macho) manner, however from my experience in college and working in similar environments I have never seen anyone’s professional or intelectual opinion being dismissed because they were a woman. Women are usually the best students, the hardest workers, highly respected and probably the majority at least in my field of work. What I could say though is that women might feel uncomfortable because of some language that is used. Patriotism, you are spot on (and it has become worse), though I believe not everyone is like that. I would however mention that the language problem cannot really be compared with Jamaica... most foreigners in Jamaica already speak English, so you wouldn’t experience the pressure of having so many people you interact with not knowing your language in your own country. You have to understand that there is some resentment in Lisbon because many people are being displaced from their homes (etc) because of a big influx of foreigners is rising prices.
Thanks for sharing such a very insightful perspective! Much appreciated. You are right, no one's intellectual opinion would be dismissed because they are a woman. I have not seen that. What I have seen though is women having to "unknowingly" work twice as hard to get the same grades as their male counterpart. It is not something intentional, it is what I realise, just a very covertly subconscious remnant of a male dominated history that is still lingering systematically. My experience comes from studying and working in a male dominated industry. This may be a deeper explanation as to why you have observed women being the best students and "hardest workers". We have to work very hard in order to be the best students and or highly respected.
@@ShauntelAngelica I can understand why you could see things from that perspective, but I don’t see it that way in my field. This follows the same pattern that I have seen since a young age. As for being the hardest workers I meant it in the sense of more mature, organised and levelled headed, more efficient with their time and effort, not in the sense of competition (on that I cannot say much).
are you a man? you cannot speak for women and our experiences. It's nice you can observe from afar but unless you're moving in a female body, you simply don't know. Things happen covertly without you seeing them. I would question your intentions in trying to 'clarify'.
Hello Shauntel, thanks for your detailed information. Please I want to know if I can get a vocational school in Portugal that I can apply and travel from my home country in Africa down to Portugal. Thanks
Hello Nuel, my biggest advice: Research the program you want to do, find a school that has the program and then apply! After you have applied, I have a video on some general documents you may need for the visa application process that you can watch here: th-cam.com/video/bt0ZkJ4cMvI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cXx5mIdvnepu1bLk
So, you're saying that one can be in Portugal and just be human, i.e., not have to be "black" with a predetermined place in the social structure? That's the place for me. Thanx so much for this video.
Yes more less in Lisbon specifically, or other heavy expat cities like Porto. Portugal is an amazing country and it really depends on your outlook and approach to life there. But don't be surprised though if you face some prejudice, as others have had this experience in Portugal as well. My main advice is to find community, it will make a big difference to your experience there. I hope this gives you an even better wholistic view, All the best!
It's definitely because you're in Lisbon. If you go outside of that they can be quite racist. I'm in the UK (black and with portuguese heritage) and the portuguese here can be very racist. My mother is from one of the islands and I found them to be nicer.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Sorry to hear you have experienced this. I have not travelled outside of Lisbon much, but I will keep an eye out for that when I do.
Hey do you know if Madeira is racist I'm planning to go there to travel and I have heard some negative things from my friends about racism towards black people and I just wanna know how it is and if I should be really concerned..
@@bxngtanxx I was in Madeira Island in December 22 nothing but positive experiences l was on the island for just 2 weeks though so didn't stay longer enough to get a deepening perspective about the local people energy towards black people. BTW l am from the UK. 😊
@@bxngtanxx My youngest sister and her husband also went to Madeira Island in February this year too. The centre of the island is called Funchal it is probably the best place to stay where all the tourist attractions are , you will enjoy it there it is clean and safe.
Honey I'm Portuguese living in the U.S.A. for 55 years, do you know how many times I've heard the phrase hey this is America speak English most Americans don't even realise that America doesn't have an official language
It’s the inflation here. The extinction of middle class. Slaving jobs all year around with taxes taking big chunks of the checks and we are looking for a way out.
@@desdior1207 Why Portugal though? It's cheap I suppose, for american standards, but it's far from being the only cheaper country in Europe, let alone teh world.
Hi! I’m planning to visit Lisbon and Porto. Can you recommend hotels (not Airbnbs) that are very nice and also welcoming to melanated individuals. Thank you.
Hey sounds great! I don’t know many recommendations but please check out the Facebook group Black in Portugal and you will get a lot of suggestions if you post this as a question in the group! . Also the group overall is super super resourceful! All the best ❤️
France is the same likewise Portugal. "Speak the language of the colonizer is harsh when you do not speak whatever language it is because kindness, awareness, and mindfulness is universal.
Very nice video, and great insights. I think you make very sharp remarks. We are indeed a melting pot, and more so in Lisbon, with a curious mix of European, African and Brazilian culture. I find it strange Portuguese will blame you to not speak Portuguese, general this is not the case, people are very open and generally kind to foreigners. I agree with the statement that an individual social position (Portugal is still a very traditional country), gender and wealth are more relevan thow people react to that individual than race, but of course there is also some racism in Portugal, just not as toxic as in other countries.
Thank you Portuguese people can't force any one to speak their language. It's by choice and interest, not an obligation as some clout chasers are babbling gibberish and professing to on this channel.
@@globalismoblackman You can think what you will. If you go to a different country, obviously you are going to have to learn the language at SOME point to fully integrate. In general us portuguese are some of the most accomodating in regards of language of anyone in Europe, I can assure you. If enlgish is your first language, than you might be experiecing a DIFFERENT pheonomena - a native english speaker meeting the reality of a non-english speaking country. If I go to England....no one is going to pull any punches just because I dont' speak the language.
This is not surprising because there are African countries like Senegal and Mozambique that still speak Portuguese today. Our Portugal was an empire. They probably think you're from there.
Hi. You came in my recommendations today and I subscribed. I am wondering did you not think about learning the language before you left Jamaica? You have Internet and you could have learn if even a few sentences from your phone. When you are in a different country and people see you are trying they will help you more. I went to Portugal and even a little lingo helps a long way. It's just like the English ignorant.
Hey! Thanks for subbing! :) I agree with you. I started learning the language before I moved here, and still learning. I use the language as much as I can.
Well, you're in Portugal for long enough, try to learn Portuguese - perfectly valid. Also try to fit in. Other than that, as long as you're doing something useful, ok.
In Sweden it was probably not negative, but in Russia it was, I know Russia, you don't want to be black or any minority in Russia. Russia is the second most racist country I know after China.
I had the opportunity to visit both China and Russia, and you could be absolutely right - that in Sweden, it was mostly not negative (which seems to be very true based on the comments on my "black in Sweden" video). Interestingly though, in Russia and China, the stares I received seemed more friendly. I'm not suggesting that people in Russia and China were necessarily thinking positively, but outwardly, their stares appeared friendlier compared to those in Sweden. I believe it might be attributed to social culture, as Swedes tend to be more reserved with their feelings and maybe Russians and Chinese aren't as much (my frail opinion). These are just my personal observations, and I acknowledge that I can't read someone's mind. Unless there's a conversation, I subconsciously form some of my opinions based on how I'm looked at and I am sure anyone would do the same. I think it boils down to individual experiences and cultural nuances, don't you think?
Portugal overall is eclectic, especially in places like Lisbon. So a "Portuguese" man, indistinctively, can easily be from any part of the racial spectrum. Seeing a "black" person dating a "non-black person" or a "black" person dating a "black" person etc, whatever the case, is very normal. Based on what I have observed in Lisbon, no one socially tries to control who dates who. Also, the international community here is quite expansive, so there are a lot of people you can meet and the dating culture reflects that: A Portuguese dating a Brazilian, a French dating a Czech, a German dating an Irish, a Ukrainian dating an Angolan and so on...
the language thing, they assumed you are portuguese. there are lots of black portuguese who live in england and prefer to speak english when there travel back to portugal, including my sister and nieces.
Hi Margaret , its depends what you are studying and what university you are going to. Most programs are in Portuguese but you can find degree programs in English.
I've lived in Colombia and they too are very patriotic and are very defensive over Colombia even though they themselves criticise it. They're hypocrites!
That happens in a lot of countries If you receive someone in your home you wouldn't like to hear him complaining about your home... if even yourself make the same critics You have to be very subtil and careful when you critizice... otherwize it's offensive
To be honest. , it is less difficult than I thought it would be . At my university, professors are really nice and are very very accommodating ! I also have the freedom to submit my assignments in English. The only qualm about not being able to speak the language , is that sometimes I miss a lot of details for example for a specific assignment, esp. if that professor does not speak English very well or at all. Furthermore, I can only connect with my Portuguese classmates superficially, as It is hard to communicate naturally or even be myself, as for example, my sense of humour is not easily grasped here, and I have to speak a somewhat "simplified" version of English ( omitting complex/ ambiguous English words) so that I'm properly understood at all times.
Hey! If you become lost or confused in classes, ask your classmates. Most of us younger people speak english! Teachers too. In college its easier, there are more accomodations and were used to foreigners due to erasmus . The teachers might speak broken english, but usually they will try their hardest or ask for help. Many of my teachers usually dedicate some time in class to directly explain things to foreigners so they don't get lost. Even if you're lost, keep asking. People who speak broken english will usually take you to someone who is fluent.
@@dio_hoestar_4204 @DIO_Hoestar_420 Thank you, yes I ask my classmates and teachers as well. They are very helpful and approachable. You are right, even if the teachers speak broken English they try their very best to explain when I have any questions about details I missed. I really love and appreciate that about them. Very willing to help
@@ShauntelAngelica shouldn’t you try to learn Portuguese?. I mean you’re living there right? I feel like it’s only common sense to learn the language because not everyone will be able to speak English with you. Yes English is a lingua Franca but not everyone knows it or knows it well enough. Not trying to sound harsh or anything but I’m just saying if it were me I’d learn the language. I think it’d be better in the long term because it’ll help you. It’s kinda hard looking for resources to learn Portuguese(European)I’m ngl but if you learn it you’ll be more confident I believe. Hope it helps you out in some way. Just wanna make sure that you’re not just depending on English to get around I mean it’s nothing wrong with that ofc but would always be best to know the language especially if you’re going to be there for a long period of time. Like I said before it’s no hate or anything its just me giving my unwarranted opinion lol. If this means anything I’m also a native English speaker but learning Portuguese on my spare time I don’t live in Portugal or anything I just love languages lol.
@@captivatedlunt1895 Hi, Thanks for your comment! I know it comes from a good place, but I think you have the wrong impression that I am not trying to learn Portuguese and I think you may not realise how difficult the language is especially speaking it correctly. Most of my classes are in Portuguese so I am constantly exposed to the language, I live here so I have to speak Portuguese here and there and I am also enrolled in Portuguese classes, yet still have not yet mastered it. Until I am at a good level of communication with Portuguese, I have no choice but to primarily rely on the language I know how to use best, which is English. Like many of us who move here, and I can tell you now if you decide to move here, that learning Portuguese online like what you are doing now, is incomparable to the in-person experience you will have while living in Portugal... A very humbling experience to say the least. Thankfully Portuguese people here are very helpful when they realise you are learning to help you with words or if they know English they sometimes switch to English to help you. Just a little insight also: My Brazilian friends have difficulties understanding the Portuguese spoken here, so it may sound like an easy feat but it isn't. It will take time and a lot patience with yourself to get to where you want to be with the language, and I will be very happy when I finally achieve that goal. All the best with your lessons!
The last time I checked I believe it was at least 40EUR per day based on the length of your trip . Here is the website that gives more information on Portugal and also other countries in the EU: www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-application-requirements/means-subsistence/
Hey thank you! Sending love to you from Portugal. Yes, I made a video here: th-cam.com/video/bt0ZkJ4cMvI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7zV6W-rC5gS7GTGI . Let me know after watching it, if it helped and if not, let me know what questions you have.
I hope people just look at you because you are beautiful. Now, if there are racist idiots? Surely you’ll unfortunately find those everywhere. Hope you have a good time in Portugal.
It's the same as being whatever! We don't do that nonsense USA labelling. Cristiano Ronaldo is not more Portuguese than Rafael Leão! We do not refer to People like that! We do not have races in our ID's! You guys should try it in USA!
As a Portuguese I can only give my own opinion. Is there racism in Portugal? Yes, in my opinion you will find racism anywhere. It is probably the default human reaction, unfortunately. But in here it is hidden and not well tolerated by, at the very least, the many people I deal with everyday. Even the older generations will find any manifestation of racism as disgusting, unaceptable, intolerable. Is there any form of systemic discrimination? Probably yes. You will still find a disproportionate number of Black people working in low payed jobs and living in less affluent areas. We just have to open our eyes to be exposed to this reality. A part of it is also a question of class, but there is still a lot to be done in that regard. Unfortunately, I believe the focus is not on a more pragmatic approach to solve these problems (which require some financial investment, hard and persistent work and, above all, results may take longer than the next election). However, things have, generally speaking, changed toward a more positive direction. Any person of colour will do fine in here, although I would suggest there are more exciting places in this world with a lot more possibilities, especially to the young.
I agree with you in many ways. Portugal is a great county where a person of colour can live feeling mostly at ease. Thanks for giving your opinion on the matter. I don't agree that racism is a default human reaction (and I can get deeper into that talking specifically about socialisation of children etc.. but I won't). Though I must say that living in Portugal has been one of my best experiences as a black person despite some racial nuances I've observed. Portuguese in general from my personal experience is very welcoming and unbiased to many people.
Racism, hate, evil are learned and cultivated by where you grow up! It is not a default Case study: Here is a portuguese who grew up in Nigeria, he speaks nigerian language. No bone of racism or hate.. The environment is the cause not the person th-cam.com/video/MRE3EMpVY_E/w-d-xo.html
Hey, guys welcome back to my channel! Would love to know your thoughts below! Have you had similar experiences? Or very different experiences? Feel free to share~
Cool video. Just want to point out that when people here speak Portuguese to you, they're not assuming that you are Portuguese. They're speaking Portuguese to you simply because the vast majority of black people in Portugal are immigrants (or their descendants) from the ex-colonies who also speak Portuguese. It just so happens that Portuguese is also widely spoken in most Portuguese ex-colonies in Africa. Cheers EDIT: Oh, also ethnic diversity isn't that great in the whole of Portugal. It's mostly concentrated in Lisbon and a few other major urban centers in the coastline. In smaller cities and villages, and towards the interior, the population is still overwhelmingly ethnically Portuguese (white).
@@arcanjocesario5986 Thank you for your input. "Portuguese" by definition then according to your comment means someone who is from PORTUGAL specially? (born there, with parents who were from there too?) . Just clarify for me. Thanks .
@@ShauntelAngelica I'm afraid what "being Portuguese" means is a very subjective thing. Each person will give the term whatever meaning they see fit. The definition you suggest is probably close to how many ethnically Portuguese people think or feel about it (for many, it probably goes beyond just parents). They'll think about it in terms of ethnic lines/cultural history. Might be close-minded and backwards way of thinking, but, on the other hand, I also don't feel comfortable saying "I am Portuguese" because I don't know what that really means. I have an idea of what that entails on a superficial level, but don't feel connected to it. It'd obviously be a facade to claim "I am Portuguese" with any conviction. It's ultimately meaningless, but that's easy for me to say. Maybe I would feel differently if my family history had indeed been ethnically Portuguese and not African. I do appreciate certain aspects of the Portuguese culture, but I don't feel particularly attached to it. Others may. I was born and raised in Portugal (my parents were African immigrants), but I prefer to just say "I have Portuguese nationality." My citizenship is defined by a legally-binding formality. That's all. I'm grateful for enjoying full rights of "being Portuguese." I am privileged.
Anyway, I was just trying to convey the perspective of someone who spontaneously speaks in Portuguese to a black person in Portugal. People don't usually assume that your nationality is Portuguese, but they also don't necessarily assume that you're an immigrant (there are also black people born in Portugal and with Portuguese citizenship, all descendants of immigrants from former colonies). They'll obviously see that you're ethnically African, so assumptions about your origins will be one of the former colonies until they hear you speak English.
@@ShauntelAngelica Sorry, I realized my previous answer to your question might have been unnecessarily pedantic and unclear. Basically, yes, I meant someone who is a native from Portugal.
Thank you for the clarity!@@arcanjocesario5986
I am English with a Portugeuse wife (African heritage) and have been visiting Portugal for many years. In general the Portugeuse are the most friendly and accomodating people I have met in my travels across the world. Portugal's history is rich and chequered and helps explain much about the Portugeuse people. Portugal's recent history is very relevant. It is worth learning how Salazar turned Portugal into an impoverished nation with slums; some of which were only removed ten years ago.
The Portugeuse are nation/house proud. If one enters their country/house and proceeds to provide constructive criticism then expect a bit of push back. For the Portugeuese, the right to provide such criticism has to be earned. In general, I have been humbled by the Portugeuse people and their open hospitable nature.
Having witnessed English speaking tourists acting like speaking English is an inherent right, I am amazed the Portugeuse have remained so helpful. The little push back in Portugal is nothing compared to some European countries.
Regarding Brasilian, Brasilian is to Portugeues what deep south American is to UK English. There are aspects of Brasilian grammar and language that do not fit Portugal and come across as impertinent; like being called brother or sister in the UK by someone on the street, fine in some contexts but not most.
On the topic of sexism, it is a double edged blade. The Portugeuse is a Catholic country and has taditional values and no doubt old habits die hard. However, I personally know a number of successful business women, and I believe more property in Portugal is owned by women than men. It is true women in Portugal, on the whole, are expected to act respectfully and in turn are treated with respect; if you wonder what I mean by this watch videos of British female behaviours at bar closing times.
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Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comment. I completely agree with your observation that Portuguese people, in general, are very hospitable and helpful. You've rightly pointed out that despite the challenges of migration impacting aspects like housing, the overall demeanor of Portuguese people remains hospitable and welcoming. The historical context you provided regarding the reasons for sexism was also interesting. I appreciate your contribution and, once again, thank you for such a great comment. I've learned a few things from it as well.
@@ShauntelAngelica You might find it interesting to know that the black Portuguese I know do not refer to themselves as afro-portugeuse or African Portuguese, they just say they are Portuguese and they are proud of it. Prefixes are not a Portuguese thing, what prefix is considered ok for white Angolans naturalised Portuguese, they can have many generations of family heritage in Angola. Integration with Portuguese culture, while respecting heritage, has been a positive thing. The challenge Portugal now faces, like many countries, is immigration without cultural integration (and I include the little Britain enclaves in that). Personally, I have chosen to relocate to where there are few English speakers and intend to speak Portuguese, even if badly.
@@AStanden-k1n They should be referring to themselves as black and african foremost! because the white Portuguese are definitely saying otherwise in doors (and you know this). Rather not loose yourself in the fake sense of assimilation. Now thats a lost identity and identity crises awaiting
Lisbon has the biggest and oldest black community in the Iberian Peninsula. There has been a black community in Lisbon since at least the 16th century. What's interesting about it is that large black communities are rare in Southern Europe, except Portugal and maybe Southern France. In Lisbon you can find an unusual cultural mix between southern European culture (in this case Portuguese) and sub-saharan African culture.
Thanks for sharing !
There are no black (yellow, red) communities in Spain, Portugal or france. These people are angolan, mozambican, Caoe Verdian, Senegalese etc. Its about nation and not a colour race concept.
People from different african countries in Western or central europe dont have relationships amongst each other as well as vietnamese, japanese or Philipine people are not more likely to have social relations among one another based on the notion "yellow" than having relations to the native population. This kind of intermingling based on a weird colour race concept doesent exist in Europe.
I don't think they're sub Saharan Africans. Pretty sure they're the descendants of the blacks Jews that the Spanish were persecuting during the 16th century
They are also in Italy
@@gratefuldead3750You're wrong. Most of them are actually Portuguese citizens already. They went to Portugal a long time ago...
Older Portuguese don't speak English but new generation all speak English. English is widely spoken in Lisbon, Algarve, Madeira and Porto and they love to speak to you in English. Older generation is different, many do not have a lot of education, therefore have those attitudes...
Thank you for the insight David. Much appreciated
Along with the Netherlands, Portugal is the country where most people speak English well, despite not being native speakers. Also older generations mostly spoke French, which was the international language up until the 80s really!
@@klimtkahlo This is not accurate but I get what you are saying.
Normally older folk can speak French (even if only a little bit)
But as David said, most younger people can speak english and sometimes a 3rd/4th language
I had French (could also choose Spanish if i wanted) for 3 years from 7th to 9th grade, but forgot most of it by now, ahaha
Yes! I agree in that perhaps the person who may not speak English or very little it is all one's comfort zone. I would say all a wonderful learning experience positive and negative Blessings ✈️🌎
You seem like a lovely young lady. Keep traveling and keep exploring. Out of everything I have ever done in my life, traveling is by far the most rewarding no matter if it's a good or bad experience.
Thank you JR! Much appreciated! I totally agree! Travelling is very fulfilling overall, and each experience we learn something. Cheers
Just came across your channel. I’m of Jamaican descent and looking to move to Portugal soon. So it’s great to hear your experience. Because I’m trying to convince my very JAMAICAN mother to move with me and my daughter. 😊
@@NicoleGarrett-fb7gd Happy to meet you! That would be great! Hopefully they get convinced 😃
Thank you for sharing! I've lived in Portugal for 4 months. I have found that when I lead with Portuguese, it helps people to be more gracious. But I have found when I lead with English, especially at a government agency, they do seem to be a bit offended. Also, I agree that there does seem to be more issues of sexism or nationalism than race based issues. But for the most part, people have been super nice and welcoming and friendly to me!
You are right! Over time, I have learned that too. Thankfully, now I speak Portuguese, and it has been very helpful. And you are right-Portuguese people are welcoming!
People assume you speak Portuguese because in Portugal there are many Africans from portuguese speaking countries so for us is normal that black people speak portuguese.
In Portugal there are people with very different skin tones due to our history, first we were invaded by the romans, then the visigoths, then the arabs after that we went to explore the world and we reach all continents, also it was normal for Portuguese sailors marry native people this is why you have a lot of mix Portuguese.
That's very insightful. Thank you for sharing!!
My partner is Portuguese and I have been Portugal a few times with him over the years but only short visits. I have been learning to speak Portguese for a few years (on and off) and now I can understand most things if spoken slowly! Your video was super interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences xx
You are welcome! Thank you for sharing your experience as well and all the best with learning the language :)
Love hearing your perspective on living there. I've recently started to think about if I'd like living there too since I loved my visit to Lisbon and Porto so much. Looking forward to diving into more of your videos!
Thank you!! And I am happy you enjoyed it! You would enjoy living here!
Hi @ShauntelAngelica, thank you very much for sharing your experience. I am Portuguese (born and raised), my family is from St. Tome e Principe and I now live in the UK.
Because of my experience I'm always surprised when people mention 'you will not stand out in Portugal', my first thought is 'why would you'? Again this is based on my personal experience.
Overall people in Portugal are very friendly and welcoming. There will be occasions where you will meet someone and transition from being a stranger-friend-family very quickly.
Hope you have a fantastic time in Portugal.
Hi Karla, it is nice to read your experiences! It is always interesting to hear from those who were born and raised in Portugal. I also totally understand what you mean about the "you will not stand out in Portugal". Have a good time in the UK as well!
You are beautiful and I appreciate your "balanced" perspective. Great post.
your experience is clearly Lisbon. For a portuguese, the assumption when seeing a black person will immediately be that he/she stems from one of the former african colonies, namely Angolan or Mozambique, of which quite a lot live in the outskirts of the large city centres like Lisbon or Porto and hold portuguese citizenship. Beyond that many non-black portuguese are themselves born in one of the colonies and hold somewhat sentimental memories. That being said, the general population in portugal sees themselves as what they have become over the past 2000 years: a unique mixture of ibero-celtic (lusitanian), roman, arabic, and germanic ethnicities and cultures that has managed to defend itself against all external attempts of conquest, particularily from spain.
Thank you for the insight Christian, the more and more I'm here I'm realising this! Your comment is very informative as well. Cheers
we need to defend our culture and traditions. These immigrants come and tell us what to do and how to act. You must be kidding me. If they come they need to act under our values, otherwise they can leave.
"In Rome act like a Roman"
@@pedrofaria6236 Your comment is quite far fetched to say the least, but thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@@pedrofaria6236 What do you mean? I think the video was very insightful and in no way disrespectful. She isn't telling anyone what to do and how to act! I'm Portuguese and I didn't feel disrepected!
It sounds amazing. For me, Spain was amazing and I could be there as well.
I was getting ready to counter you but you ended up saying the truth.
I have not experienced any form of discrimination.
They love my sons so much.
Well-done.
I’m portuguese and I agree with you on the subject of sexism. After living abroad for almost 15 years even the commercials on tv are much more sexist (I will say extremely sexist) than in other european countries. When I said that recently to friends I had to give examples because being part of the society they don’t even realize it.
Thanks for your comment. I'm glad you understand. I have had really awesome friendships and experiences with both men and women in Portugal, but it's true that sexism does exist, and I know it can be hard to see if you someone has lived in Portugal their whole life.
Thank you so much Shauntel, for your very candid video. I am a white Norwegian, and it makes me so sad to hear how you are treated in Portugal. I speak Portugese but they always switch to english with me. With you they tell you to speak portuegese. So sad and frustrating. Thanks for the love and kindness in your heart! It touches me. If you ever want to talk about these things I love to listen. Lots of Love and Light! Namaste!
I am considering a move to Portugal but I haven't decided which region yet. Thank you for your insight, wisdom, and experience.
You're most welcome! Are you any closer to a decision?
@@ShauntelAngelicathere is black restaurant for food 😅😂. I love eating food.
Most of the older generation were not able to conclude school because they were forced to go to work really young, because of that sometimes they can get really defensive when someone talks in english (or even when talking portuguese and using some english words in the mix). The anger is more about what they feel was taken from them then about you. And as a portuguese woman I can tell that you are right about the sexism, its getting better, and its not as agressive as other places, but its a constant in everything, and it cames from both men and women. Its the constant comments about what you should and shouldn't do as a woman. Or if you work or talk about something that people think is more oriented for men having to prove yourself constatly just so your opinion is considered. And its me saying this and someone else coming here saying that my experience is invalid just because they did not experienced it themselves.
Thank you so much for your insight. It was a very interesting read. I really appreciate your sharing!
I can’t lie I am ready to leave USA for portugal 🇵🇹 it has everything I need and more pretty hype thank you for the video I do have to learn Portuguese 😎
Good luck!! and You're welcome :)
Hope to see you there 😏
Please don't inflate USA not Portugal
It’s not a matter of sticking out for in the crowd - the problems comes when you need assistance from the society or bureaucracy and so not speak the language and are of other heritage. I lived in Portugal for 5 years it’s one of the countries in Europe me and my community faced the most discriminations.
I’m not talking about the local cafes or restaurants - they are used to tourists, I am talking about to he facilities owned by government etc that’s where you face the challenge
@@John-xp1ih Thank you for pointing that out! It gives a deeper perspective.
This was SUCH an informative video! Thank you. Now I know what to expect when I visit on my solo trip. USA here. We are not “Get Out” nice in every state, lol. It depends on the region of the US I think. Great video though. Very good.
Haha! Glad it was helpful! I wish you all the best on your trip here! I really do need to visit more states in the US lol
Lol Get out nice had me 😭🤣🤣🤣
A very brave video and thanks for your opinions.
As a conscious 60+ year old Blackman born in the UK but now semi retired in Abuja, Nigeria I love Portugal and it's my first go to European country when now visiting Europe even ahead of the UK.
Admitted I mostly visit Lisbon and then the Algarve and Porto. Mainly due to the language barrier as I don't like sticking out.
However that said I do think Portugal is missing an opportunity by not confrontation some of its past history when it comes to slavery and colonialism.
Portugal was the first European country to start the sale of enslaved Africans. Vist the small slavery museum in Lagos in the Algarve for more on this.
It was also the last European country to give independence to it African colonies and that was after a violent war of oppression in those countries.
Also the Portuguese government agencies do NOT breakdown their statistics on the basis of race and heritage so its difficult to measure institutional racism in government agencies sych as housing, health and the police.
Black Portuguese are also not well represented in the Portuguese media.
And its a disappointment that the Lisbon government still haven't allowed the monument to acknowledge the role Slavery played in Portugal to be erected.
For anyone wanting a balanced intro into the Black Portuguese experience and history as it relates to Portugal I would advise contacting Naky of the Black Lisbon Tour project, based in Lisbon
However all said and done however I still love Portugal and look forward to my often yearly visits to Portugal and if not because of the idiotic Brexit vote in the UK my retirement plan was to spend January to May of ever year living in Portugal enjoying the weather, people and learning the somewhat difficult language
Thank you so much for such an insightful comment! What you’ve said put a lot of things into perspective. Portugal also is hands down my favourite country in Europe of the 10 other countries I’ve been to, and of course even though we don’t have the right as outsiders to mingle into their affairs as a country I do believe it has great potential to be even better than it is now when it comes to socio political history and said realities.
Thanks for that insight 🙏🏾
I second the recommendation to do the Afro Lisbon tour with Naky. It was a very enlightening experience.
You want Portugal to hate you, go talk to them about what your saying 😂 then cry when they tell you to jog on 🤣
@@timasuna1756 why would I cry if they told me to jog off???
I would just regard such people as ignorant with no understanding of their history warts and all.
As much as I enjoy visiting Portugal and I will be back there next year the reality is one man's "discovery" is another man's slavery and exploitation
Loved the analysis of the Portuguese people. In fact, I really liked you video. Very honest e “real”. Welcome to Portugal. I hope you have a great time here.
Thank you! I'm happy you liked the video, Paulo!
Once you learn the language, it will be more apparent. I lived there for a while and I can tell you, they are very racist. I really surprised that so many African Americans are moving there. I was in Porto and the lady wouldn't rent me a room at a hotel because, according to her, the owner didn't want to rent to black people. Once you get out of Lisbon, you will find a different world. They don't hide it at all. I hope you enjoy your stay.
I think that's a minority. There's a wave of African Americans moving to Portugal and by far their experiences have been positive from the TH-cam reports.
@@davidmartinspresents
Agreed unfortunately he had bad experience no country is perfect
Thank you for sharing your experience, Teddy, very insightful
@@davidmartinspresents TH-cam offers insight only into a very minuscule percentage of the expat cohort here, but I do hope you are correct, that his experience is not widespread. But who's to say...
@@ShauntelAngelica I agree that TH-cam is only a small percentage of the expat experience. However, I do have the added experience of having lived in Portugal during my early childhood. I do see a big difference between the USA and Portugal, I think it's much, much worse in the United States. I think sexism is a bigger problem in Portugal than racism, although that is beginning to slowly change. I would like to put out a disclaimer that there are plenty of people that I dislike because of their attitudes and behaviors, regardless if they are white, black, Asian, or any other race. Because I was born in Portugal, I do hold the Portuguese to a higher standard and I do get very irritated with backward opinions that some Portuguese have...
Thank you for this. I am a British Jamaican considering Portugal as an option to move to. Very insightful video.
You are welcome and I happy you found this helpful!
My issue is that I'm learning Portuguese but I live in the Midwest and there's no one to seriously practice with, so I know I'll be very insecure about it. I lived in Spain as a child and when we went to Portugal I don't remember it being an issue but my parents were military so it probably had something to do with the abundance of English speakers.
All the best with your lessons! Speaking Portuguese will be very helpful! And you will have many people very happy and willing to help you boost your confidence with speaking.
Hey @technicallyimme I’m starting to learn Portuguese as well. I have a trip planned for December to visit places outside of Lisbon. Im looking for a partners to practice with. If you’re interested in talking about Portugal and sharing knowledge feel free to connect.
I'm from St Louis but now I live here in Phoenix Arizona. I'm looking to build a second home and considering visiting Portugal; because I've heard such good things about from the black community.
Good luck with your time in Portugal. Bem vinda!
Muito obrigada!
I’m a first generation Honduran American single mother raising a half black son and am considering leaving the US. Finding a place where that will accept us both, more importantly him, is so important to me. So thank you for your video!
You are most welcome! I think Portugal could be a great choice! The socio-ethnic atmosphere in Portugal is much better than in the US!!
Before Cristiano Ronaldo, in the 60's the best portuguese soccer player was black. He was called Eusebio and was very popular. There is a statue of Eusebio in Lisbon, in the stadium of the biggest soccer team of Portugal, Benfica.
That's great! Thank you for sharing that.
Black American living in Sweden, here. Where were you in Sweden that you were stared at? It doesn't sound like it was Stockholm, Gothenburg, or Malmo (the big 3 cities).
Most problems expats have is trying to get along in another country like they do in their native country. Im fluent in Portuguese and have had no problems in Brazil or Portugal. If you make even a half-hearted attempt to communicate in Portuguese it will get you far.
I just turned 40. I'm single. I'm a black man. I'm coming in August. This is very refreshing!
I'm a black woman and I'm moving in January ❤
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I'm a white Portuguese-American woman; I have strong ties to the country and will retire there, so I'm very curious about all aspects of the life because I have never stayed there for more than three months at a time and want to hear the truth about people's experience. I was bracing myself for what you had to say about racism because I feel that racism is so prominent in the US, and when I visit Portugal, it seems way less racist, and I was hoping this wasn't just wishful thinking. Sadly, I think it exists more overtly in rural areas where there are fewer black people. I'm glad to hear your take on it. As far as the sexism, I agree. I feel very safe as a female solo traveler there, but I am a bit babied by male relatives. I've never worked or gone to school there, so I was curious. What surprised me the most was the defensiveness and people saying to speak Portuguese. As a traveler, you can find people who speak English in every big city, and so many people speak English, so that blew me away that that happened to you. I live in the US, where patriotism is like a disease sometimes. I haven't experienced the defensiveness in Portugal, but maybe it's so much less than the US that I don't notice it as much. Thank you so much for sharing!
If you don’t speak Portuguese imo you will be considered an American or a foreigner, most young people speak English because most of us started learned it in primary school but old people most only have the 4th grade, in rural cities with a lot of emigrants population some might know some French,German.
For retirement is a good place to work it’s not especially compared to the USA.
Sexism is because of Catholic values and been isolated from the rest of Europe because of a dictatorship is something slowly changing but grandmas are still alive so it will take a bit.
We can speak bad about Portugal but foreigners can’t😂
Thank you my daughter and grandson just moved there so these videos help me to get a better understanding of the country in case the decide to make Portugal their regular home.
Hello… you are right about sexism… Although we have in our universities more than 50% women studying, our society is very paternalistic yet… women have to work much more then men to be recognized… and we still have a serious problem of domestic violence… not to speak of men killing women out of jealousy… I guess it’s because women are much more independent now and men don’t know how to deal with it…
About racism, we have it too, but as a white person I’ll describe it as more subtle… we notice in little things, some of them not clear to me… only talking with some black friends they explain to me…but I hope things will get better… nothing like we see in USA
That's my reading of the energy of the people of Madeira😊. I had a nice vacations there in December 2022. They were not hostile or cold to tourists just conservative people living their own lives. Is racism there ? most certainly but I did not experience any thing negative all. So for me personally I had a positive experience there.
Thanks for sharing your insight Paula! That's very interesting. Yes the racism here is not as overt as the US for sure so that's refreshing...
"nothing like we see in USA" - Of course, we see worse in the US
I only experienced language barriers with the older generation, 45 and up. Locals explained to me that English language was not taught in schools many years ago. But now its compulsory so the younger generation know how to speak. And professionals like bankers, hotel receptionists and most tourist business have alot of English speaking staff, at least 3 out of the bunch will speak English. Just ask to be refered to English speaking staff they will be glad to assist you.
Hi, let me explain that I am 65 and studied English and French at school, sadly I didn't learn German which was also taught. It happens that most people just didn't learn languages because their area of studies didn't include it. Or maybe they left school too soon... English and French were mandatory those days. 🙂
@@mariam.3224 interesting, as it was a Portuguese man that stated it to be a fact. I guess some didn't go to school and feel uncomfortable saying that.
Great!! Thank you for sharing your experience!
@@siriusqueen3476 Although the languages were available to learn, a lot of people from older generations (like my grand parents) lived in the country side where school was often put aside in order to work the fields, helping their own parents and so forth. Most older people in those "off-grid" villages did like till 4th grade, and started working right after.
Hence there is this big gap still, between older generations and newer ones.
Also, back in the day having a colorless TV was already fancy, let alone having the same exposure and internet acess that my own generation experienced back in 1990.
Even if you find someone that doesn't speak english there's a very high possibility that they know someone that does. We are always glad to help.
Thank u so much for this video. It's very helpful. Much success to u, hon.
You're welcome. Same to you.
thank you for this video, beautiful. i am a austrian jamaican which will be there very soon and thinking about moving to lisbon in future - this is a very helpful video.
You're welcome! I really hope you have a great trip!
Thank you for sharing your experiences, living in Portugal! It's always nice to know how these places treat people of dark skin...
You are most welcome! I am happy you found the video insightful!
I m portuguese and I liked your video you re so right in your critics
Untill you speak or try to speak portuguese you always be consider a tourist.
We enjoy that people at least try to learn our language and not aspect us to speak other languege.
I am a tourist and will always stay a tourist I can't be pressured to speak any foreign language so the locals accept me. I will learn a foreign language because I like it and want to on my on terms 😊😁
@@globalismoblackman I don’t think that’s a nice thing to say. How will you feel if a tourist comes to your country and starts speaking a foreign language without even trying to say a word or 2 of yours?
Why then do you go to a country and not even learn the basic greetings?
@@ImoDouglas I cannot and will NOT force any tourists to speak my language if they dont have the desire and motivation its a choice NOT an obligation to speak my language.
@samueldefaria6726 Stop clout chasing you little attention seeking punk talking slick at me. Do i know you ? NO. So STOP communicating with me I DONT care to know you. I stand by my conviction I DON'T have to learn a foreign language by duress. I will learn a foreign language of my choice because I choose to not because I am compelled to because I have visited a foreign country.
@globalisumoblackman 🎯
Wow, this is unbelievable. We're returning to the land of our oppressors, with seemingly no understanding of history. Portugal was one of the primary countries that initiated the transatlantic slave trade. Despite how educated some folks may claim to be, they still gravitate toward the very nation that enslaved our ancestors and where it all began. Never an apology or anything
I appreciate your input on the conversation. Though I am not sure what exactly are you insinuating. Can you please clarify that?
What a great comment you made and very accurate. Portuguese will be genuinely nice to you but not be overly nice or fake just because you are a foreigner. They are just pleasant and friendly. Great observation . Have a wonderful time there . We welcome you .
I have been looking for a youtuber like u my Jamaican sister!!!! Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much 🤗 Big up! 🇯🇲🇯🇲
You are so beautiful. I just discovered your channel. I have been in Portugal for 12 years and I can tell you that there is racism but not systemic, not like in USA, or Italy, but it is very well present. The direct way to feel it is when you are looking for an apartment or a house for renting. I have been through it all and I can stand 10 toes on my own experience, at least in Lisbon. When it comes to sexism, I totally agree, 100%. I also agree when it comes to them being defensive. Oooooh girl, when it comes to the language, don't even get me started hahahahaha. They really really really have that way of telling you "how dare you don't speak Portuguese ?" I have a lot to say on that in 12 years. I would only say, they have one single language and most of them don't even speak another language, but they act like foreigners don't already speak at least one language better than them and where born Portuguese. They are welcoming, warm and it decreased, as I can confirm it was way better until early 2016, but when you live with them, you start seeing things that aren't that much lovely. But I love the country sooo much. and thank you for being authentic on this video.
Thank you!! And thank you so much for your comment. I can resonate with some of what you have said because you have summed up the experience of living here so well in sharing your own 12 years of being here! Despite certain realities as you have mentioned in your comment, I will always LOVE Portugal too!
3:27 this was funny to me because before clicking on the video and hearing you talk I thought you were portuguese
I am a Portuguese man and I believe sexism is a problem all around the planet in various levels.
I think differently only because I grew up watching my mother fighting with my father and facing the problems head on which showed me that women may be anatomically "weaker" by nature but if a woman's intellect gets to face the same challenges in life she will rise up to the occasion with her body as well.
A man will always use sexism to feel more manly around women , the same way men call other men "baby", "little girl" or even a "chicken" to feel more empowered against a rival and not because they fear a baby, a little girl or even a chicken.
It is misogynistic behavior and it is still being fought against around the planet.
Racism in Portugal does exist not because Portuguese believe black people to be less capable of achieving great things, as we have had for example one of the best sportsman in Portugal, named Eusebio and of African descent and he was respected and loved in our country so, the color of the skin matters not.
What mainly triggers racist behavior is the assumption that only outsiders are the cause of the problems in our countries and not the natives themselves.
It is complex and we should just see it as a funny behavior because if you really spot the silliness around any type of racist behavior you will certainly laugh at racist people in spite of its dangers.
@ShauntelAngelica i face racism here in Portugal. For me Portugal is a racist country. Only some people are good others are racist. I face racism in my workplace and that is too much. But I can’t say a single word because it’s very difficult to get a job here if you don’t have TRC.
That's so sad. Where are you from?
Yes, there’s a lot of black people in the south (especially Lisbon), try to go to the north… I live in Porto and i’m the only black person in MANY places
Thank you for the insight Filipe!
Here are my two cents about your video (WARNING: contains potentially contentious opinions):
a) Portugal is a lot more about social position, money and gender than about race. Racism exists but it comes only in third or fourth place in the factors that may (or may not) affect how one is seen by others. The 2013 Oprah Winfrey hissy fit in Switzerland while shopping for a $38K purse is difficult to understand from a Portuguese perspective...
b) We have a saying here
'Em Portugal não há racismo, só há racismozinho'
which I would translate as
'In Portugal you'll only find petty racism' (as in petty crime vs serious crime)
in my opinion it is a very accurate way of describing the situation here
c) If I saw you on the street I'd assume you to be Portuguese (as happened with other people who assumed you were Portuguese and started speaking in PT with you). In a way you thought that was a good thing, but there is a subtle dimension to it that you are probably missing. We look at Angolans, Mozambicans, etc and many of us think "Portuguese"... do you understand where I'm coming from? It is a good thing unless the person in question's position is "I'm not Portuguese, we've become "Angolans" since 1975, get that in your thick head". It is a totally reverse mindset compared to the American point of view... there is a type of "racism" in Portugal that sees Angolans, Mozambicans, etc as Portuguese because it refuses to accept that those countries' independence is for real. Weird, isn't it?
d) I think you're also missing some dimensions of the "We're in Portugal, speak Portuguese" reaction. I've heard that sentence several times in my life, and it was always uttered by low class, low culture people. Those are almost the only people in Portugal who won't speak at least some English. That sentence stems from a low class inferiority complex, rather than from a jingoist attitude. Also very few Brazilians will speak English, and there are LOTS of Brazilians in Portugal. Are you sure some of the people who said that sentence weren't actually Brazilian?
Thank you for your perspective Pedro. It was great reading this . It goes to show how a shift in perspective can change everything and how one’s socialization and historial connection affects how we view the world or a particular situation . Our modern society is so filled with a lot of twists and turns and everything is more than how it is on the surface which is great in many ways but at the same time can be problematic… perfect for highlighting injustices but also it can poison our minds from “moving on” or even interpreting things that are not there . As Jamaican would you say then since I share a different historial background to ex colonies of Portugal that I have more “peace of mind” living here than say those from ex colonies ? As I don’t have to incorporate certain historial events that would affect how I see life and the people here ? I think so. Would you agree ?
@@ShauntelAngelica Yes I agree, you benefit from the Portuguese integrationist attitude while not suffering from colonial traumas. Some people from our ex-colonies, particularly the Angolans, hold a grudge against Portugal. It is very ambivalent though, because at the same time they may hold a grudge, they also feel a lot safer in Portugal than in their countries of origin. Some of them are torn between, "I don't like Portugal's past history" and "but Angola did not turn out what we all wanted it to be after independence". The ones that cannot solve this dilemma live in a weird limbo of unresolved emotions.
It doesn't affect everybody the same way though. Goans for instance, are totally unaffected by it. In my opinion, no one is more "Portuguese" than the Goans. In the space of three generations they twice lost everything they owned because they refused to let go of their Portuguese identity.
When Goa was taken over by India in 1961, they left Goa, mostly to Mozambique, because they refused to become "Indian". Then in 1975, When Mozambique became independent, they again lost everything and moved en masse to continental Portugal, again refusing to cease being Portuguese.
The reward is plain to see, Goans and Ismaelites have climbed our social pyramid to the very top, and own or manage innumerable Portuguese companies, not to mention that our Prime Minister is of Goan origin.
In Portugal money and power always trump everything else. If you are culturally Portuguese, speak with any version of European Portuguese accent (Lisbon, Porto, Alentejo, Madeira, whatever), and look prosperous you'll be treated deferentially, regardless of gender or race. While many Portuguese of African origin speak with some degree of African accent, the Goans tend to speak with a Lisbon accent. Small details sometimes make a big difference...
@@UbuTube Thank you for the information Pedro . It’s very good learning more about the history which in all sense is quite interesting.. Coming from a country that was colonized as well, I can understand how ex colonies are still economically in the semi periphery or periphery and will probably never be considered apart of the “core” in my lifetime . It’s not by accident that most ex colonies whether from the Portuguese , Spanish , British etc are still struggling today comparatively less stabilized than the countries that colonized them who undoubtedly have the benefit of better socio economic stability.
Overall it’s draining to think about these things but also important to have these kind of discussions . All things considered, at this point of my life , my main goal is to go out with positive vibes wherever I am , meet good people ( which most people in the world are ) and try to be a good steward in the society.
Being of Portuguese culture ( first generation Canadian) i must agree with your perception of racism in the portuguese culture and/ communities
...although there is always the exception
Many Portuguese are of mixed races and ethnicities even prior to the exploration years and it just increased with the years and centuries of exploration...
@Short Scenes From Old Movies that's a lot of bizarre mental gymnastics to attempt to explain how racism works in Portugal lol. Sorry, but I feel like you're just making it up. The reason most Portuguese people will speak Portuguese to a black person in Portugal is simply the fact that most black immigrants (and their descendants) in Portugal came from the ex-colonies, where Portuguese is also widely spoken. It has nothing to do about assuming one's citizenship. I'm a black dude born and raised in Portugal. I'm in my thirties and never has anyone automatically assumed I was Portuguese when people actually tried to guess my nationality or where I came from, even though I have no perceptible African accent when I speak. And if that were the case I find it very unlikely that it would be due to some weird unwillingness to recognize the independence of the ex-colonies. I'm pretty sure most Portuguese are actually glad those territories are no longer Portuguese territory given how slowly those countries' economies and standards of living have developed since their independence (and this could perhaps premise a much more sound "theory" of racism in Portugal, but even then, no first world country in the world would want to claim any sort of ownership over any economically challenged third world country, so even this is a poor justification for the whys and hows of racism in Portugal). Note that I'm not denying that there is racism in Portugal. I'm just saying that your opinion about racism in Portugal definitely sounds dubious and farfetched.
Too funny. Taxi drivers can be the worst. You don't have to be black or not speak Portuguese to get rubbish attitude from taxistas. A few years ago, friends of mine, Brazilian ladies in their 40s and 50s with good Portuguese jobs who obviously spoke Portuguese and who all loved Portugal, were verbally assaulted by a taxi driver who clearly hated foreigners, even Portuguese speaking foreigners. I've had problems with taxi drivers too, and I'm a Portuguese white dude. Some people you just can't fix.
I guess its unavoidable then, haha . Thanks for sharing!
but, to tell the truth: weren't those ladies speaking brazilian rather than portuguese? There is a vast difference in pronounciation, and my experience is that most brazilians make no attemt of hiding or adapting it. I have quite often heard portuguese people, even well-eduacated ones, state their reservations against brazilians.
@@ApenasUmSenhorI don’t hear british people asking Americans to get rid of their accent, it’s the same language just deal with it
@@emersonalencar8381 not sure. If americans were to immigrate to england in large numbers, some brits might indeed object. I am of the (admittedly somewhat outdated) opinion that it is up to the receiving population whom they will receive and under what conditions.
@@ApenasUmSenhor It's not an easy trick to change your accent, regardless of language. And European Portuguese is particularly difficult. The Portuguese have a much easier time learning other languages and adopting the Brazilian accent than vice versa. It is what it is.
I live in lisbon,i met an old woman at the health center who was so mean to me and the kids because i couldn't express myself in portuguese 😢she said to me "U ARE A BAD PERSON"just because i couldn't speak portuguese language after 1month in lisbon😢
You will meet people who get upset if you are unable to communicate in Portuguese. I hope that sharing this video, you understand that you are not alone. Don't let it get you down; the more you are here, the more you will learn the language and be able to communicate in it. It has been 8 months since you commented; how is your Portuguese now?
I'm sorry you had to go through this. There are idiots everywhere! Remember that. Much love ❤
So basicaly you mean Portugal is Paradise, good to hear there's such a good place in Europe.
If that is your take on this video, great! I love Portugal!
Thanks for the information
Excellent one
Thank you
Portugal sounds like the place for ME! I've always hated the US and while there are things I love about the actual country; easy continental travel, niagara falls, tech, entertainment places (roller coasters, Kalahari, etc) basic peace of mind, equal treatment, and right to life remain subjective and in some areas "elusive". I have personal stories of discrimination stunted mobility, hate speech and high-level exclusion politics. Frankly, as a women who works in the corporate world, whilst I don't agree with "boys club" politics I do still prefer not to be subjected to racist mentalities. The "assumption" of superiority over someone or group based on ethnicity is so utterly ridiculous and leads to the ridiculous and tragic behavior you find here in the States.
I loved in Costa Rica for years and regret coming back (my mom was sick) and staying here. Young lady, you're doing great! Go LIVE where you want and remember being "black" is not special, your culture (inside jokes, food, beliefs, values) is what defines you. We are all more than what people see.
Portuguese here. Quick lesson: no one from outside of Portugal can criticise Portugal except Portuguese themselves. 😂
Hahaha thanks for the insight that's so true!!
Beautiful!! expression of how nice people are in Protugal
Plan on moving that way soon I can’t wait ether Lisbon , Porto , algrave , vero
Lisbon and Porto are great options!
@@ShauntelAngelica thank you 😏
Thank you for this video!!!❤❤❤❤
You are most welcome!
Lady you have a beautiful vibe,alway remember at the end of the day your the Author of your story.
@@humanconnectionflores Thank you!!
Girl, I would say you are Cape Verdean or Angolan. You should explore the 5 PALOP African peoples who speak PT. It's a fantastic experience...
Thank you for sharing ! I will check it out!
@@ShauntelAngelicae Portugal é um país misto na margem sul teem muitos brancos que são angolanos e tá tudo habituado a misturas , mas quanto mais norte mais de lado olham e Lisboa centro tbm é estranho com os palopes ou raça mistas… não sei escrever inglês direito 😂 traduz só 😅
CONSTITUTION OF THE PORTUGUESE REPUBLIC
Article 13
(Principle of equality)
1. All citizens possess the same social dignity and are equal before the law.
2. No one may be privileged, favoured, prejudiced, deprived of any right or exempted from any duty for
reasons of ancestry, sex, race, language, territory of origin, religion, political or ideological beliefs,
education, economic situation, social circumstances or sexual orientation.
Thanks for posting! I'm sure others will find it helpful.
It boggles me how ppl can't contemplate the basic idea of FAIRNESS across all spectrums of life.
Agreed!
These comments are rather bizarre. The African communties are there because of an unfortunate reason not just because they happen to be there. It is also visible to see how unhappy there unless one lives in their own world. Lisbon was definitely an experience and a difficult one.
Thank you for your input on the matter.
Impressive. Reppin your culture beautifully🥂
Thank you Jason!
You're most welcome.
I've learned over the years that when we have been blessed to have a giraffe's view it seldom serves us to trust the turtle's view.
Hey Shauntel
Will be traveling to Lisbon in Dec. If you're be around I'd love to meet up for coffee.
Despite what people thinks Portugal was often "decent" when it come to people of other race, at the opposit of spain and the worst : italia.
hi shauntel, I hope you have had better experiences since then, but I would like to give you my perspective about sexism! I know there is some fringe of the portuguese culture that still behaves in some sort of sexist (macho) manner, however from my experience in college and working in similar environments I have never seen anyone’s professional or intelectual opinion being dismissed because they were a woman. Women are usually the best students, the hardest workers, highly respected and probably the majority at least in my field of work. What I could say though is that women might feel uncomfortable because of some language that is used.
Patriotism, you are spot on (and it has become worse), though I believe not everyone is like that. I would however mention that the language problem cannot really be compared with Jamaica... most foreigners in Jamaica already speak English, so you wouldn’t experience the pressure of having so many people you interact with not knowing your language in your own country. You have to understand that there is some resentment in Lisbon because many people are being displaced from their homes (etc) because of a big influx of foreigners is rising prices.
Thanks for sharing such a very insightful perspective! Much appreciated. You are right, no one's intellectual opinion would be dismissed because they are a woman. I have not seen that. What I have seen though is women having to "unknowingly" work twice as hard to get the same grades as their male counterpart. It is not something intentional, it is what I realise, just a very covertly subconscious remnant of a male dominated history that is still lingering systematically. My experience comes from studying and working in a male dominated industry. This may be a deeper explanation as to why you have observed women being the best students and "hardest workers". We have to work very hard in order to be the best students and or highly respected.
@@ShauntelAngelica I can understand why you could see things from that perspective, but I don’t see it that way in my field. This follows the same pattern that I have seen since a young age. As for being the hardest workers I meant it in the sense of more mature, organised and levelled headed, more efficient with their time and effort, not in the sense of competition (on that I cannot say much).
@@ppietrap3876Thank you for clarifying
are you a man? you cannot speak for women and our experiences. It's nice you can observe from afar but unless you're moving in a female body, you simply don't know. Things happen covertly without you seeing them. I would question your intentions in trying to 'clarify'.
@@bluebellbeatnik4945Well said!
Brilliant insightful video...thank you 💪🏿💥
You are welcome, I am happy you found it insightful!
Portugal was part of the Caliphates. There has been a mix of cultures for centuries.
Good to know! Thank you.
Hello Shauntel, thanks for your detailed information. Please I want to know if I can get a vocational school in Portugal that I can apply and travel from my home country in Africa down to Portugal. Thanks
Hello Nuel, my biggest advice: Research the program you want to do, find a school that has the program and then apply! After you have applied, I have a video on some general documents you may need for the visa application process that you can watch here: th-cam.com/video/bt0ZkJ4cMvI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cXx5mIdvnepu1bLk
Very insightful and helpful. Thank you.
I am happy it was! You're welcome!
Im just seeing your video, thank you for the content
You are most welcome ❤️
So, you're saying that one can be in Portugal and just be human, i.e., not have to be "black" with a predetermined place in the social structure? That's the place for me. Thanx so much for this video.
Yes more less in Lisbon specifically, or other heavy expat cities like Porto. Portugal is an amazing country and it really depends on your outlook and approach to life there. But don't be surprised though if you face some prejudice, as others have had this experience in Portugal as well. My main advice is to find community, it will make a big difference to your experience there. I hope this gives you an even better wholistic view, All the best!
It's definitely because you're in Lisbon. If you go outside of that they can be quite racist. I'm in the UK (black and with portuguese heritage) and the portuguese here can be very racist. My mother is from one of the islands and I found them to be nicer.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Sorry to hear you have experienced this. I have not travelled outside of Lisbon much, but I will keep an eye out for that when I do.
Hey do you know if Madeira is racist I'm planning to go there to travel and I have heard some negative things from my friends about racism towards black people and I just wanna know how it is and if I should be really concerned..
@@bxngtanxx I was in Madeira Island in December 22 nothing but positive experiences l was on the island for just 2 weeks though so didn't stay longer enough to get a deepening perspective about the local people energy towards black people. BTW l am from the UK. 😊
@@globalismoblackman oh that's so nice to hear! I'm from the UK aswell thank you for telling me x
@@bxngtanxx My youngest sister and her husband also went to Madeira Island in February this year too. The centre of the island is called Funchal it is probably the best place to stay where all the tourist attractions are , you will enjoy it there it is clean and safe.
Honey I'm Portuguese living in the U.S.A. for 55 years, do you know how many times I've heard the phrase hey this is America speak English most Americans don't even realise that America doesn't have an official language
Im experiencing racism in black majority countries, can you help me?
Sorry to hear that! I am not sure how I can help you, but let me know what's on your mind!
What is happening in the US that all of a sudden people think coming to Portugal is cool? 15 years ago this didn't happen? I wonder what changed (?)
Thanks for posting the questions Jean. Curious to hear what other people's perspective are on the matter. All the best - Shauntel
It’s the inflation here. The extinction of middle class. Slaving jobs all year around with taxes taking big chunks of the checks and we are looking for a way out.
@@desdior1207 Why Portugal though? It's cheap I suppose, for american standards, but it's far from being the only cheaper country in Europe, let alone teh world.
@@jeanlundi2141 idk why there. I’m in no position to move out the country as of rn but I guess it’s what they research far as benefits and weather etc
Hi! I’m planning to visit Lisbon and Porto. Can you recommend hotels (not Airbnbs) that are very nice and also welcoming to melanated individuals. Thank you.
Hey sounds great! I don’t know many recommendations but please check out the Facebook group Black in Portugal and you will get a lot of suggestions if you post this as a question in the group! . Also the group overall is super super resourceful! All the best ❤️
France is the same likewise Portugal. "Speak the language of the colonizer is harsh when you do not speak whatever language it is because kindness, awareness, and mindfulness is universal.
Very nice video, and great insights. I think you make very sharp remarks. We are indeed a melting pot, and more so in Lisbon, with a curious mix of European, African and Brazilian culture. I find it strange Portuguese will blame you to not speak Portuguese, general this is not the case, people are very open and generally kind to foreigners. I agree with the statement that an individual social position (Portugal is still a very traditional country), gender and wealth are more relevan thow people react to that individual than race, but of course there is also some racism in Portugal, just not as toxic as in other countries.
Thank you Portuguese people can't force any one to speak their language. It's by choice and interest, not an obligation as some clout chasers are babbling gibberish and professing to on this channel.
@@globalismoblackman You can think what you will. If you go to a different country, obviously you are going to have to learn the language at SOME point to fully integrate. In general us portuguese are some of the most accomodating in regards of language of anyone in Europe, I can assure you. If enlgish is your first language, than you might be experiecing a DIFFERENT pheonomena - a native english speaker meeting the reality of a non-english speaking country. If I go to England....no one is going to pull any punches just because I dont' speak the language.
This is not surprising because there are African countries like Senegal and Mozambique that still speak Portuguese today. Our Portugal was an empire. They probably think you're from there.
I am really planning on moving to Portugal from Grenada!!
Hi. You came in my recommendations today and I subscribed. I am wondering did you not think about learning the language before you left Jamaica? You have Internet and you could have learn if even a few sentences from your phone. When you are in a different country and people see you are trying they will help you more. I went to Portugal and even a little lingo helps a long way. It's just like the English ignorant.
Hey! Thanks for subbing! :) I agree with you. I started learning the language before I moved here, and still learning. I use the language as much as I can.
Well, you're in Portugal for long enough, try to learn Portuguese - perfectly valid. Also try to fit in. Other than that, as long as you're doing something useful, ok.
In Sweden it was probably not negative, but in Russia it was, I know Russia, you don't want to be black or any minority in Russia. Russia is the second most racist country I know after China.
I had the opportunity to visit both China and Russia, and you could be absolutely right - that in Sweden, it was mostly not negative (which seems to be very true based on the comments on my "black in Sweden" video). Interestingly though, in Russia and China, the stares I received seemed more friendly. I'm not suggesting that people in Russia and China were necessarily thinking positively, but outwardly, their stares appeared friendlier compared to those in Sweden. I believe it might be attributed to social culture, as Swedes tend to be more reserved with their feelings and maybe Russians and Chinese aren't as much (my frail opinion). These are just my personal observations, and I acknowledge that I can't read someone's mind. Unless there's a conversation, I subconsciously form some of my opinions based on how I'm looked at and I am sure anyone would do the same. I think it boils down to individual experiences and cultural nuances, don't you think?
I wish I could get an opportunity to come to Portugal it will be a dream come true
Go after that goal! I wish you the best!
What has been (or seen) your experience with Portugal men dating black women? How does that fair?
Portugal overall is eclectic, especially in places like Lisbon. So a "Portuguese" man, indistinctively, can easily be from any part of the racial spectrum. Seeing a "black" person dating a "non-black person" or a "black" person dating a "black" person etc, whatever the case, is very normal. Based on what I have observed in Lisbon, no one socially tries to control who dates who. Also, the international community here is quite expansive, so there are a lot of people you can meet and the dating culture reflects that: A Portuguese dating a Brazilian, a French dating a Czech, a German dating an Irish, a Ukrainian dating an Angolan and so on...
I didn't see it at all. Those that are saying it is a common feature is not true at all
the language thing, they assumed you are portuguese. there are lots of black portuguese who live in england and prefer to speak english when there travel back to portugal, including my sister and nieces.
Hey Is Portugal a good choice to study for a bachelors degree in English??
Hi Margaret , its depends what you are studying and what university you are going to. Most programs are in Portuguese but you can find degree programs in English.
I've lived in Colombia and they too are very patriotic and are very defensive over Colombia even though they themselves criticise it. They're hypocrites!
Thanks for sharing your experience Peter
Most Latin American countries are that way.
@@thekingofmoney2000 Thank you for the insight
That happens in a lot of countries
If you receive someone in your home you wouldn't like to hear him complaining about your home... if even yourself make the same critics
You have to be very subtil and careful when you critizice... otherwize it's offensive
Good points on gender equalitaratarim, hows it like in Jamaica?
EXCELLENT!!!👑💪🏿
Thank you!!
Just curious... if language is creating dissonance how difficult is it to be a non-Portuguese speaking student?
To be honest. , it is less difficult than I thought it would be . At my university, professors are really nice and are very very accommodating ! I also have the freedom to submit my assignments in English. The only qualm about not being able to speak the language , is that sometimes I miss a lot of details for example for a specific assignment, esp. if that professor does not speak English very well or at all. Furthermore, I can only connect with my Portuguese classmates superficially, as It is hard to communicate naturally or even be myself, as for example, my sense of humour is not easily grasped here, and I have to speak a somewhat "simplified" version of English ( omitting complex/ ambiguous English words) so that I'm properly understood at all times.
Hey! If you become lost or confused in classes, ask your classmates.
Most of us younger people speak english! Teachers too.
In college its easier, there are more accomodations and were used to foreigners due to erasmus .
The teachers might speak broken english, but usually they will try their hardest or ask for help. Many of my teachers usually dedicate some time in class to directly explain things to foreigners so they don't get lost.
Even if you're lost, keep asking. People who speak broken english will usually take you to someone who is fluent.
@@dio_hoestar_4204 @DIO_Hoestar_420 Thank you, yes I ask my classmates and teachers as well. They are very helpful and approachable. You are right, even if the teachers speak broken English they try their very best to explain when I have any questions about details I missed. I really love and appreciate that about them. Very willing to help
@@ShauntelAngelica shouldn’t you try to learn Portuguese?. I mean you’re living there right? I feel like it’s only common sense to learn the language because not everyone will be able to speak English with you. Yes English is a lingua Franca but not everyone knows it or knows it well enough. Not trying to sound harsh or anything but I’m just saying if it were me I’d learn the language. I think it’d be better in the long term because it’ll help you. It’s kinda hard looking for resources to learn Portuguese(European)I’m ngl but if you learn it you’ll be more confident I believe. Hope it helps you out in some way. Just wanna make sure that you’re not just depending on English to get around I mean it’s nothing wrong with that ofc but would always be best to know the language especially if you’re going to be there for a long period of time. Like I said before it’s no hate or anything its just me giving my unwarranted opinion lol. If this means anything I’m also a native English speaker but learning Portuguese on my spare time I don’t live in Portugal or anything I just love languages lol.
@@captivatedlunt1895 Hi, Thanks for your comment! I know it comes from a good place, but I think you have the wrong impression that I am not trying to learn Portuguese and I think you may not realise how difficult the language is especially speaking it correctly. Most of my classes are in Portuguese so I am constantly exposed to the language, I live here so I have to speak Portuguese here and there and I am also enrolled in Portuguese classes, yet still have not yet mastered it. Until I am at a good level of communication with Portuguese, I have no choice but to primarily rely on the language I know how to use best, which is English. Like many of us who move here, and I can tell you now if you decide to move here, that learning Portuguese online like what you are doing now, is incomparable to the in-person experience you will have while living in Portugal... A very humbling experience to say the least. Thankfully Portuguese people here are very helpful when they realise you are learning to help you with words or if they know English they sometimes switch to English to help you. Just a little insight also: My Brazilian friends have difficulties understanding the Portuguese spoken here, so it may sound like an easy feat but it isn't. It will take time and a lot patience with yourself to get to where you want to be with the language, and I will be very happy when I finally achieve that goal. All the best with your lessons!
How mich is required for Portuguese proof of funds please?
The last time I checked I believe it was at least 40EUR per day based on the length of your trip . Here is the website that gives more information on Portugal and also other countries in the EU: www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-application-requirements/means-subsistence/
@@ShauntelAngelica Thanks so much
@@mrvoid912 Sure, no problem
If someone says "speak Portuguese"
Just say you are a tourist... and don't bother yourself with that 😁
Haha, I'm happy that I'm taking classes now so I can get around with the language better.
Love from China，Can you introduce how to apply university in Portugal
Hey thank you! Sending love to you from Portugal. Yes, I made a video here: th-cam.com/video/bt0ZkJ4cMvI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7zV6W-rC5gS7GTGI . Let me know after watching it, if it helped and if not, let me know what questions you have.
What a lovely voice. Portugal, Moors, Congo and Arab have a rich multi culture.
I hope people just look at you because you are beautiful. Now, if there are racist idiots? Surely you’ll unfortunately find those everywhere. Hope you have a good time in Portugal.
Thank you Jose!
Nothing wrong with patriotism. Patriotism is fully recamended.
Sure, that is why I said "toxic patriotism"
It's the same as being whatever! We don't do that nonsense USA labelling. Cristiano Ronaldo is not more Portuguese than Rafael Leão! We do not refer to People like that! We do not have races in our ID's! You guys should try it in USA!
I am unsure what your point is, but anyhow, thank you for your comment!
As a Portuguese I can only give my own opinion.
Is there racism in Portugal? Yes, in my opinion you will find racism anywhere. It is probably the default human reaction, unfortunately. But in here it is hidden and not well tolerated by, at the very least, the many people I deal with everyday. Even the older generations will find any manifestation of racism as disgusting, unaceptable, intolerable.
Is there any form of systemic discrimination? Probably yes. You will still find a disproportionate number of Black people working in low payed jobs and living in less affluent areas. We just have to open our eyes to be exposed to this reality. A part of it is also a question of class, but there is still a lot to be done in that regard.
Unfortunately, I believe the focus is not on a more pragmatic approach to solve these problems (which require some financial investment, hard and persistent work and, above all, results may take longer than the next election). However, things have, generally speaking, changed toward a more positive direction.
Any person of colour will do fine in here, although I would suggest there are more exciting places in this world with a lot more possibilities, especially to the young.
I agree with you in many ways. Portugal is a great county where a person of colour can live feeling mostly at ease. Thanks for giving your opinion on the matter. I don't agree that racism is a default human reaction (and I can get deeper into that talking specifically about socialisation of children etc.. but I won't). Though I must say that living in Portugal has been one of my best experiences as a black person despite some racial nuances I've observed. Portuguese in general from my personal experience is very welcoming and unbiased to many people.
Racism, hate, evil are learned and cultivated by where you grow up! It is not a default
Case study: Here is a portuguese who grew up in Nigeria, he speaks nigerian language. No bone of racism or hate.. The environment is the cause not the person
th-cam.com/video/MRE3EMpVY_E/w-d-xo.html