@@SnowShackboy Yep, that or any number of solutions from ordinary hardware supplies, which cost pennies. I'm being a cynical old goat, imagining the creation of a mega money titanium/carbon fibre kit to do the same thing. And people who've been given a kit for nothing trying to influence sales... (I've been around this scene too long! 👴)
@@creepingjesus5106 yeah I mean if I was cheap I would just link 1-2 zipties around some segments of the frame and boom, you're done. That said, Im just gonna stick to external routing bikes for now though and not worry about it ha.
I'm not a Specialized fan and this makes me less if one for the same reasons, especially the proprietary shock. That plus the lack of internal routing, not a deal breaker but definitely annoying. And idk if you can swap that water bottle cage for a Fidlock, but for me that's definitely a must have. Good time to grab the previous version on discount though!
Meh, prices are in line with Yeti, SC, Trek...the deal breaker is the no cable routing for mechanical shifting. Shock is not proprietary - the eye to eye is standard
Propreitary shock is like the diverge str, where you're basically with them and if anything this is a bike for the short term. Thank god I bought a frame from the previous year to build up.
He says it's better than the Evo in the review. Tbh, as an Evo owner, the bump absorption is pretty bad. Great in flow but in chunky roots it gets hung up super fast.
15:05 It's just the way he talks bro. Read between the lines and listen to what he says in this short summary at the end, especially when he starts talking about descending... "Super impressive".
Alloy version in September/October will be cheaper and surely will have mechanical stuff all the way!! Note: some guys wanting mechanical stuff and others (like me) wanting electronic but don’t have €€ for it!!🙄
External, under the downtube to the chain stay is the cleanest easiest routing. On my hardtails I run my cables that way with some help from electrical and gorilla tape.
I have zero doubt that Specialized has looked at market trends and their own sales trends and decided to make the change toward what appeared to already be a near-future conclusion, in spite of who it irritated.
I bought a 23 Evo Pro in mixed wheel. I just put a Fox 38 170mm but with the E-Tuned for E-bikes. Im a heavy rider so I wanted this specific tune. It's freaking amazing! I'll have my re-tuned Fox X this Friday. Fox tuned it with a medium + and put a 1.0 spacer in it to make it more progressive. Im also running a WRP yoke, and a Cascade link. This modification to the rear is pretty sweet. Im really glad I got the EVO before they discontinued it. It's a do it all bike!
I live in Malaysia and Specialized bikes are known to be on the expensive side among MTBikers here. However they've been slashing prices on their Stumjumpers these past few months (sometimes up to 70% off). Now I know why they were clearing stock, a new one is coming.
Bro how are you ever going to go have casual fun with your buddies without upgrading to the newest model with .000001 degree increased slack and wireless shifters smh
As for no current Aluminum versions, a few guys are riding aluminum frames in the Specialized release video. So looks like there will be some options eventually.
The little arm that the Stumpjumper had to stiffen the frame is what made it a stumpy. I could always spot one miles away because of it. I'm sure gonna miss it.
It essentially seems like an Epic Evo Plus to me, with a Scott-inspired rear shock (re: proprietary) Looks like I'll be hanging on to my Stumpy Evo Comp a while longer...great bike that one.
@@streddaz i meant to say it looks like an Epic Evo, albeit a Pro Max version. Having said that, based on the reviews online, i think this Genie is the real deal. It most probably is Fox's answer to the Vivid ultimate...I can't wait to see consumer's reviews on it.
@@streddaz I don't see any reason why not but it'll probably take some time. If i remember correctly, Specialized has an exclusive on the Genie for 2 years so we'll just have to wait and see.
I love a lot about this bike and it might have been my choice of replacement this year. But the wireless only drivetrain could be an actual deal breaker. I'm sure the shifting is great, but i don't want "forgetting to charge my derailleur" to be a new way to break down on the trail. The extra cost of wireless also seems not worth the benefit.
I had the 2019 Stumpjumper (150/140mm), before they split it into two bikes, and this looks like the spiritual successor to that bike. I ordered one and I can't wait!
Update: I've been for a few rides on the Stumpy now and loving it so far. The AXS T-type is amazing I don't understand why people are so sour on it. The shifting is so much smoother than any other derailleur I have ever tried. The ONLY thing I don't like about the AXS so far is that the little charging cradle has a Micro-USB port instead of USB-C. C'mon SRAM, it's 2024. Why are you saving 5cents on a kit that costs a tonne of money? It's a slap in the face.
The no cable routing for a mech shifter is moronic at best. I think the shock is fine, it's not far off from other fox products. If it breaks it's not like you can't run a diffrent option in a pinch and it can be opened up to other bikes(hopefully other brands) as a new route of suspension kinematics. But for the love of God the lack of cable routing is dumb
I love my 2022 sj Evo. I dont plan on updating anytime soon. I think this SJ looks life a lot of fun. I'd rip it for sure. Only real downside for me is I long fork my SJ evo for bike parks and I'm not sure if the new SJ would be up for the hardest stuff i ride my Evo on.
Sticking with my Tallboy 4. I had a 2019 Stumpjumper Expert Carbon which was nice but not very efficient out of the saddle pedaling. Is that flip chip in the back on the chainstay also another pivot like on my old 2019 Stumpjumper or is the whole rear triangle rigid?
I'm glad the '25 model has had a good solid look at kinematics, geometry, and suspension action. Beats "bold new graphics" any day. Also like the fact that Specialized has decided that just adding another 10mm of suspension travel wasn't going to be the new sales model. They are refining travel to be more effective, even if the travel numbers get smaller. The important point is quality of travel rather than merely quantity.
As someone who rides a very high end bike with XT/XTR shifting, disappointed at no cable option. I've ridden the electronic stuff, it's good, but so is high quality cable. Plus the electronics are heavier. But I guess if you want light you're pigeon holes into more XC geometry.
😴 Specialized is just continuing to make it easy not to buy their bikes haha. Proprietary parts, overpriced frame, electronic only routing... Im sure this bike will appeal to some people, but not me.
I remember when Cannondale did their dual chamber shock (DYRAD) nearly 10 years ago. How do you think this shock compares in terms of usage of travel and air volume?
i am so sad that i did not order the old aluminium evo frame until it was on sale. (had other priorities in life that needed my money) :( hope they will make an alu option for us "poor folk " with the routing for the shifter.
No AL version of a stumpy? 240lb weight limit per the manual, starts at $5500. I thought this was their Toyota Tacoma answer to a FS trail bike. The new FS chisel states XC, no jumping, 280lb limit. I feel like they are choosing a more targeted market and not offering an entry level fs trail bike for the masses. Did I miss something? Looking for my first FS trail bike! My 27 year old sworks hardtail and my old fused spine no longer mix well..
Probably weight limit comes from the wheels. And for you I would recommend just to look at different brands like Orbea, Trek, Canyon, YT... Or just find now alloy stampjumper on sales and buy it immediately.
I love the Giant Trance, or Trance X for something a little more aggressive. They are smooth bikes, but of course the terrain that you’re riding is always a factor. I live in the Arizona Desert
The alloy version always comes a few months after the carbon model is released. I wouldn’t be surprised if that one has cable routing for a derailleur.
Great video! Competing with the Hightower? Its become too chunky. I like the previous version better. Light, nimble. If I want a mullet that can party, im going with a Bronson.
Bike looks great. I still ride and love my 2016 Remedy which has 150mm/140mm travel on full 27.5" tyres, so I can only imagine that that amount of travel on updated geo with full 29" would be perfect for 90% of riders, in the UK at least. The lack of derailleur cable routing just doesn't make sense to me, hopefully they'll make an Aluminium from with that. What I really want to know though, is what are those knee pads?
@@Stinkybeefer869 there are enough light trail bikes but "short" travel bikes with durable descent focused components are interesting and very rare. The big Forks wasin my opinion what the new Norco Sight laked
It's definitely the most appealing build in the lineup. Hopefully it's not a case of a spring being too linear for the kinematics they've built the bike around.
I own an evo. It’s a good performing all purpose weapon which I love. The asymmetric design made a difference on the trail. The new one… well, it looks boring. Sry I’m German and straight forward.
The slammed seat tells me everything I need to know about what I first perceived as a super slack actual seat tube angle. No thanks 😂. With a 36 inch inseam that's a deal breaker.
As someone who just wants a good trail bike without breaking the bank. The Giant Trance X1 is looking better and better. I am sure that the Specialized bike is great, it feels like it is going for more big hit bike park stuff than just a fun trail bike for my local trails, and second, the cost, some may consider a $4000 to $12000 bike is no big deal. But it is for me, I just do not have that kind of money to spend.
I picked up a rocky mtn element for $1500 from jenson online. Cheaper than I could even find used ones locally. Also just wanted something for local mild trails
Interesting stance for Specialized. As good as the previous EVO was, and as modern as most bike's geometry are, making it AXS only is a bit of a dice roll for this bike. I imagine these bikes will be on sale this fall, or they will do an MSRP reduction to move inventory.
You slightly touched on it, I’m stuck between either an epic or the stumpy. For someone located in the Midwest with pretty much 50/50 downhill / climbing trails. Which would you recommend? @pinkbike
Do you enjoy descending or climbing the most? If you love descending more, get the Stumpy. If you love climbing more, get the Epic Evo. I suppose it also depends what you mean by descending because if your descents are super mellow then maybe just get the Epic Evo.
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
If you think about it all shocks are proprietary…😄 this one is no exception!! For what I’ve seen on Flow Mountain Bike channel seems to be better than the ones from the “proprietary” brand!! 😉
My favorite thing about this is all bikes for the last 6 years were guinea pigs and they dumped those features into a beefed up shock version of the 650b with a higher sticker price
Can just fit a Rockshox with a Megneg Aircan which has been around for 4/5 years. Does exactly the same thing as Genie and has volume spacers you can swap out to change the feel. 🤷♂🤷♂
I run my S2 2022 evo 29er for trail and 27.5 for bike park and that option is perfect. Def don’t want 27.5 full time. WTF were they thinking with this.
My theory, based on nothing, is Specialized and SRAM negotiated some deep discounts on the wireless shifters on the condition that the cable routing option for mechanical shifter is removed. That way the user can't even remove/sell the wireless bits and flood the used market. Headset cable routing was not edgy enough...
I thought the same thing too. I don't think it'll surprise many people though, that companies have exclusive deals with each other on certain projects.
Wow what a way to drop the ball by Specialized! Who wants a "Trail Bike" with XC travel but a w/ a Seat Angle of 75 degrees? That's the Epic Evo... and now converging their other actual trail bikes into one seems like a bad idea. This is a short travel enduro bike 140/160( I know its 150 but most people will spec it with 160 fork), that will work well in a variety of trails but will not be a full blown race bike and neither will it be an actual all day epic 'trail bike'. And WTF about only electronic drivetrain routing? Specialized basically said FU to Shimano.... I bet Specialized updates this model within a year, nonsense decisions here. This bike will only make sort of sense if there is a NEW ENDURO coming out; that will most likely be a 160/170 bike that pedals really well and obviously descends fast.
respectfully I was thinking the exact opposite. The choices here make 100% sense as they want more distance between the rigs and since the new EPIC is so capable they don't need a downcountry stumpy(the 140 front 130 rear I own).. this is more burly than that 21', 22' model and closer to the Evo but slightly better. I wouldn't trade an Evo for it at this price but the ideal world is that you own an Epic and the new stumpy and you can go ride anything. I don't think too many people need more than this bike provides, but for that they will release a 170/180 downhill rig. Lastly e-shifting is amazing, fully sold on the t-type. never again(mechanical)
How many trail riders truly take advantage of a 160 fork? I put a 150 on my stevo and use up nearly all the travel. The Enduro is going nowhere, they didn't really need 2 different trail bikes in their lineup. The regular Stumpy was the bike in a weird spot
The daft thing about electric transmission is that less cables has made ppl less ocd. But same ppl are now ocd about the holes that are left in the frame.
I just found my all fav bike with the rm altitude from last year. Feels like a trail bike with crazy dh capabilities. Replaced the fox stuff with a zebb and vivid and im just mindblown . Now i can sell my norco range and instinct
Santa Cruz has been selling bikes with only axs drivetrains but I think they at least put that extra hole in the frame to go cable actuated if needed. Really not that hard to make a hole, Specialized
@@FullSenderson Every uniquely new or innovated product at a start. Even the stuff that's in the market in high volumes and common use had a start. What do you think people said about those products when they were starting?
@@exothermal.sprocketyes but this won’t be made for any other bike than a specialized. Hence my issue with proprietary parts. And specialized will just abandon it when a new model comes out.
No derailleur cable routing? Not a problem, Im gonna zip tie my XT shift cable on the frame 😆
😂
Guaranteed some boutique aftermarket parts company will offer a seriously expensive add-on kit.
@@creepingjesus5106 seems like some 3D printed cable guides with 3M sticky tape on the back would do the trick
@@SnowShackboy Yep, that or any number of solutions from ordinary hardware supplies, which cost pennies. I'm being a cynical old goat, imagining the creation of a mega money titanium/carbon fibre kit to do the same thing. And people who've been given a kit for nothing trying to influence sales... (I've been around this scene too long! 👴)
@@creepingjesus5106 yeah I mean if I was cheap I would just link 1-2 zipties around some segments of the frame and boom, you're done. That said, Im just gonna stick to external routing bikes for now though and not worry about it ha.
As a specialized fan, this one is a big no.
Proprietary shock, wireless shifting and insane prices are all deal breakers.
I'm not a Specialized fan and this makes me less if one for the same reasons, especially the proprietary shock. That plus the lack of internal routing, not a deal breaker but definitely annoying. And idk if you can swap that water bottle cage for a Fidlock, but for me that's definitely a must have.
Good time to grab the previous version on discount though!
The frame is literally the same cost as most other brands.
Meh, prices are in line with Yeti, SC, Trek...the deal breaker is the no cable routing for mechanical shifting. Shock is not proprietary - the eye to eye is standard
@@skibum1976For a GX AXS, sure. But the SC Hightower (carbon) starts at $4799.
Propreitary shock is like the diverge str, where you're basically with them and if anything this is a bike for the short term. Thank god I bought a frame from the previous year to build up.
You can tell his enthusiasm on the new update. Glad I got my evo ltd when I did
so excited lol
I mean, is he ever actually “enthusiastic”?
He says it's better than the Evo in the review. Tbh, as an Evo owner, the bump absorption is pretty bad. Great in flow but in chunky roots it gets hung up super fast.
I also have an evo LTD stoked on it
15:05 It's just the way he talks bro. Read between the lines and listen to what he says in this short summary at the end, especially when he starts talking about descending... "Super impressive".
No cable routing available for a derailleur is so stupid.
Alloy version in September/October will be cheaper and surely will have mechanical stuff all the way!!
Note: some guys wanting mechanical stuff and others (like me) wanting electronic but don’t have €€ for it!!🙄
For a carbon frame makes things much better. Ofc if you want carbon with a cheaper mechanical derailleur you'll be pissed.
We cried about internal routing... Now we just want routing 😂😂 why bike companies?!?!
External, under the downtube to the chain stay is the cleanest easiest routing. On my hardtails I run my cables that way with some help from electrical and gorilla tape.
I have zero doubt that Specialized has looked at market trends and their own sales trends and decided to make the change toward what appeared to already be a near-future conclusion, in spite of who it irritated.
My 2019 stumpjumper is a beast ! Will be keeping her for many years to come.
Excellent thorough first look, Dario. Nice work!
I’ve got a 2022 Evo Expert. Best bike I’ve had. Don’t think I’ll trade in for this from what I’ve seen.
Yeah no reason to. Bike upgrades are pretty iterative at this point in terms of geo and such
Evo elite here. I’ve got no fomo
@@RC-fp1tl 👍
I bought a 23 Evo Pro in mixed wheel. I just put a Fox 38 170mm but with the E-Tuned for E-bikes. Im a heavy rider so I wanted this specific tune. It's freaking amazing! I'll have my re-tuned Fox X this Friday. Fox tuned it with a medium + and put a 1.0 spacer in it to make it more progressive. Im also running a WRP yoke, and a Cascade link. This modification to the rear is pretty sweet.
Im really glad I got the EVO before they discontinued it. It's a do it all bike!
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I live in Malaysia and Specialized bikes are known to be on the expensive side among MTBikers here. However they've been slashing prices on their Stumjumpers these past few months (sometimes up to 70% off).
Now I know why they were clearing stock, a new one is coming.
So now nobody will buy these, because everyone know that it can be 70% cheaper:))
WOW 70% haha , I only saw up to 40% only. are you sure bro ?
Looks like my 2016 stump jumper. I’ve saved lots of $$$ not believing the hype through the years
Bro how are you ever going to go have casual fun with your buddies without upgrading to the newest model with .000001 degree increased slack and wireless shifters smh
When they git rid of the shifting cable why don’t go the full way and only use wireless droppers?
Probably because SRAM don’t make anywhere near the length of dropper that the other brands do. 170mm is the biggest they make.
Great Video! Apreciate the thorough explanations
Looks like the perfect all around trail bike. I love the functional look of the new frame!
As for no current Aluminum versions, a few guys are riding aluminum frames in the Specialized release video. So looks like there will be some options eventually.
The little arm that the Stumpjumper had to stiffen the frame is what made it a stumpy. I could always spot one miles away because of it. I'm sure gonna miss it.
Agree
It essentially seems like an Epic Evo Plus to me, with a Scott-inspired rear shock (re: proprietary)
Looks like I'll be hanging on to my Stumpy Evo Comp a while longer...great bike that one.
The Epic EVO is a long travel XC bike. The new Stumpy is definitely a trail bike and in the middle of that and Enduro.
@@streddaz i meant to say it looks like an Epic Evo, albeit a Pro Max version.
Having said that, based on the reviews online, i think this Genie is the real deal. It most probably is Fox's answer to the Vivid ultimate...I can't wait to see consumer's reviews on it.
@@KotakMeister I’ll be interested to see if that shock will be used outside of Specialized.
@@streddaz I don't see any reason why not but it'll probably take some time. If i remember correctly, Specialized has an exclusive on the Genie for 2 years so we'll just have to wait and see.
I love a lot about this bike and it might have been my choice of replacement this year. But the wireless only drivetrain could be an actual deal breaker. I'm sure the shifting is great, but i don't want "forgetting to charge my derailleur" to be a new way to break down on the trail. The extra cost of wireless also seems not worth the benefit.
I had the 2019 Stumpjumper (150/140mm), before they split it into two bikes, and this looks like the spiritual successor to that bike. I ordered one and I can't wait!
Update: I've been for a few rides on the Stumpy now and loving it so far. The AXS T-type is amazing I don't understand why people are so sour on it. The shifting is so much smoother than any other derailleur I have ever tried. The ONLY thing I don't like about the AXS so far is that the little charging cradle has a Micro-USB port instead of USB-C. C'mon SRAM, it's 2024. Why are you saving 5cents on a kit that costs a tonne of money? It's a slap in the face.
The no cable routing for a mech shifter is moronic at best. I think the shock is fine, it's not far off from other fox products. If it breaks it's not like you can't run a diffrent option in a pinch and it can be opened up to other bikes(hopefully other brands) as a new route of suspension kinematics. But for the love of God the lack of cable routing is dumb
The Öhlins Built is the only one coming with mullet wheels stock - not sure if mentioned in the video.
smaller sizes are mullet too
Nice to see they finally came up with some mud flap sorta thing to keep the rear triangle from trying to eat rocks and destroying your frame.
that's on the old Evo as well.
I have a foxfolk dirtskirt one mine.
I made one for my Stumpjumper out of inner tube, works a treat, covers the pivot as well.
That shock gonna blow up
Sticking with my 130mm sj
Same here s4 Expert in glossy white black for 3500 Euros.
What more do you want 😎
I love my 2022 sj Evo. I dont plan on updating anytime soon. I think this SJ looks life a lot of fun. I'd rip it for sure. Only real downside for me is I long fork my SJ evo for bike parks and I'm not sure if the new SJ would be up for the hardest stuff i ride my Evo on.
I always get interested when they update my Stumpy. At first glance I'm still keeping my 2019.
Same 👍🏼
Sticking with my Tallboy 4. I had a 2019 Stumpjumper Expert Carbon which was nice but not very efficient out of the saddle pedaling. Is that flip chip in the back on the chainstay also another pivot like on my old 2019 Stumpjumper or is the whole rear triangle rigid?
Dario is always Impressive to me in his own way , He should have his own Channel ! Maybe he does! Great job as always!! 🤙
I'm glad the '25 model has had a good solid look at kinematics, geometry, and suspension action. Beats "bold new graphics" any day. Also like the fact that Specialized has decided that just adding another 10mm of suspension travel wasn't going to be the new sales model. They are refining travel to be more effective, even if the travel numbers get smaller. The important point is quality of travel rather than merely quantity.
Is this the 2017 model rereleased
As someone who rides a very high end bike with XT/XTR shifting, disappointed at no cable option. I've ridden the electronic stuff, it's good, but so is high quality cable. Plus the electronics are heavier. But I guess if you want light you're pigeon holes into more XC geometry.
I wonder if the EVO bit into the Enduro's sales based on how many people upgrade the EVO to turn it into something more enduro like
😴 Specialized is just continuing to make it easy not to buy their bikes haha. Proprietary parts, overpriced frame, electronic only routing... Im sure this bike will appeal to some people, but not me.
I remember when Cannondale did their dual chamber shock (DYRAD) nearly 10 years ago. How do you think this shock compares in terms of usage of travel and air volume?
i am so sad that i did not order the old aluminium evo frame until it was on sale. (had other priorities in life that needed my money) :( hope they will make an alu option for us "poor folk " with the routing for the shifter.
No AL version of a stumpy? 240lb weight limit per the manual, starts at $5500. I thought this was their Toyota Tacoma answer to a FS trail bike. The new FS chisel states XC, no jumping, 280lb limit. I feel like they are choosing a more targeted market and not offering an entry level fs trail bike for the masses. Did I miss something? Looking for my first FS trail bike! My 27 year old sworks hardtail and my old fused spine no longer mix well..
Probably weight limit comes from the wheels.
And for you I would recommend just to look at different brands like Orbea, Trek, Canyon, YT...
Or just find now alloy stampjumper on sales and buy it immediately.
I love the Giant Trance, or Trance X for something a little more aggressive.
They are smooth bikes, but of course the terrain that you’re riding is always a factor. I live in the Arizona Desert
The alloy version always comes a few months after the carbon model is released. I wouldn’t be surprised if that one has cable routing for a derailleur.
For various reasons I don’t use electronic shifting. The lack of internal shifter cable routing is a definite deal killer.
Great video! Competing with the Hightower? Its become too chunky. I like the previous version better. Light, nimble. If I want a mullet that can party, im going with a Bronson.
Just go with the new epic 8. That thing is basically what the old stump jumper was. The new stumpy is basically replacing the stump jumper Evo.
Bike looks great. I still ride and love my 2016 Remedy which has 150mm/140mm travel on full 27.5" tyres, so I can only imagine that that amount of travel on updated geo with full 29" would be perfect for 90% of riders, in the UK at least.
The lack of derailleur cable routing just doesn't make sense to me, hopefully they'll make an Aluminium from with that.
What I really want to know though, is what are those knee pads?
I wanted to dislike it but a Trail Bike with a Ohlins fork with 38mm Stanchions and Coil shock, TRP DH-R EVO brakes Sounds very interesting.
Sounds heavy to me
@@Stinkybeefer869 there are enough light trail bikes but "short" travel bikes with durable descent focused components are interesting and very rare. The big Forks wasin my opinion what the new Norco Sight laked
It's definitely the most appealing build in the lineup. Hopefully it's not a case of a spring being too linear for the kinematics they've built the bike around.
Good Review. And Glad that I bought the evo comp for 3000 usd last month.
Great information thanks!
Will the Epic EVO still be around? That’s the in-between from the Epic to this new Stumpy.
The epic 8 is the in between
I own an evo. It’s a good performing all purpose weapon which I love. The asymmetric design made a difference on the trail. The new one… well, it looks boring. Sry I’m German and straight forward.
The slammed seat tells me everything I need to know about what I first perceived as a super slack actual seat tube angle. No thanks 😂. With a 36 inch inseam that's a deal breaker.
Would love to see a comparison with Fuel EX, SB140, etc.
Wonder if there would any difference to the stumpjumper evo with the genie shock.
As someone who just wants a good trail bike without breaking the bank. The Giant Trance X1 is looking better and better. I am sure that the Specialized bike is great, it feels like it is going for more big hit bike park stuff than just a fun trail bike for my local trails, and second, the cost, some may consider a $4000 to $12000 bike is no big deal. But it is for me, I just do not have that kind of money to spend.
I picked up a rocky mtn element for $1500 from jenson online. Cheaper than I could even find used ones locally. Also just wanted something for local mild trails
This is what I want from the next ripmo's geo. Great adjustment range and a perfect neutral geo.
Would a hydraulic bottom out not do the same thing as the Genie?
What is the max tire clearance ?
Hey can I ask what would you recommend for a 5’11 /180cm dude looking for a nimble / blanced rig?
Interesting stance for Specialized. As good as the previous EVO was, and as modern as most bike's geometry are, making it AXS only is a bit of a dice roll for this bike. I imagine these bikes will be on sale this fall, or they will do an MSRP reduction to move inventory.
More Dario please! Great review and content
My first Stumpy was in 1993. It was a full rigid costing about $800 on sale.
Well there you have it, bike pricing hasn't gone up as much as homes and everything else 😂 homes went up 10-12x since 93
You slightly touched on it, I’m stuck between either an epic or the stumpy. For someone located in the Midwest with pretty much 50/50 downhill / climbing trails. Which would you recommend? @pinkbike
Do you enjoy descending or climbing the most? If you love descending more, get the Stumpy. If you love climbing more, get the Epic Evo. I suppose it also depends what you mean by descending because if your descents are super mellow then maybe just get the Epic Evo.
Is this shock something vorsprung have been doing in the aftermarket?
Looks pretty nice. I bet they’ll do an Al version of this analogous to the Epic/Chisel pair.
The new mb guy style I am noticing is "just got thrown out of the military." A very capable presentation but I worry about the mustache.
Evo's resale value just got better !!
Yeah! Sure…with all the discounts for new bikes going on lately…🫢
So the Fox Genie is another attempt at the DRCV?
14:08 not really, the first dumb bike to do that was the Bold Unplugged, axs only, no routing available
Actually, the beach ball is my Vorsprung Secus which seems to have inspired some other brand tech.
How long until a full review?
So did yall stop halfway on the dh field test or what
I want to know what the shortsleeve hoody is!
3:28 you guys should use a different color for the numbers. They are really hard to see
How tall is the rider? for the S5 sizing. Im always stuck between s4 and s5. I am just barely over 6'1.
What's the saddle angle though? 😛
How is this bike whole 2kg heavier than my custom140/140, 2021 transition scout build, while also being 2k more expensive?
my 2010 fuel ex had a similar 2-phase shock back then.
Cool shirt....where did you get it?!
came here to ask the same thing, was wondering where I could find that short sleeve hoody jacket he's wearing
Always give a like for Dario and Matt Beer
These prices is why I will continue to buy bikes from the more affordable online retailers, such as YT, Canyon, etc.
They haven’t even sold the old ones…
Hopefully an alloy version becomes available with cable routing
just buy discounted EVO and call the day. This bike is not worth it
Just listen to all the skeptics who haven't touched one, much less ridden one.
Is it 145mm or 142mm like you said?
With the current pricing, this seems like the time to get an sworks frame and zip tie a machanical shifter line to it.
Good review
So the new Stumpjumper has a proprietary rear shock, requires an expensive battery powered SRAM drivetrain (no Shimano) and the base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized.
Or any wireless one you want.
@@davidgrothen3943 cool I prefer Shimano SLX or XT. Oh, wait…
@@leeretaschen231 xt wireless is there for you. Clearly not a bike geared around cheap consumable compatibility.
If you think about it all shocks are proprietary…😄 this one is no exception!! For what I’ve seen on Flow Mountain Bike channel seems to be better than the ones from the “proprietary” brand!! 😉
@davidgrothen3943 shimano currently has no true wireless groupsets for either mtb, or road...
My favorite thing about this is all bikes for the last 6 years were guinea pigs and they dumped those features into a beefed up shock version of the 650b with a higher sticker price
why your seatpost is so high?
Where in Washington are you filming this folks?
Can just fit a Rockshox with a Megneg Aircan which has been around for 4/5 years. Does exactly the same thing as Genie and has volume spacers you can swap out to change the feel. 🤷♂🤷♂
I run my S2 2022 evo 29er for trail and 27.5 for bike park and that option is perfect. Def don’t want 27.5 full time. WTF were they thinking with this.
no 130mm travel version?
What does FSR MEAN??
My theory, based on nothing, is Specialized and SRAM negotiated some deep discounts on the wireless shifters on the condition that the cable routing option for mechanical shifter is removed. That way the user can't even remove/sell the wireless bits and flood the used market. Headset cable routing was not edgy enough...
I thought the same thing too. I don't think it'll surprise many people though, that companies have exclusive deals with each other on certain projects.
Very disappointing, shock yoke, higher than it needs to be top tube and a bent seat tube that will dropper size. Price is nuts for what you get.
they come specced with 200mm droppers, how much more do you need?
Wow what a way to drop the ball by Specialized! Who wants a "Trail Bike" with XC travel but a w/ a Seat Angle of 75 degrees?
That's the Epic Evo... and now converging their other actual trail bikes into one seems like a bad idea. This is a short travel enduro bike 140/160( I know its 150 but most people will spec it with 160 fork), that will work well in a variety of trails but will not be a full blown race bike and neither will it be an actual all day epic 'trail bike'. And WTF about only electronic drivetrain routing? Specialized basically said FU to Shimano.... I bet Specialized updates this model within a year, nonsense decisions here.
This bike will only make sort of sense if there is a NEW ENDURO coming out; that will most likely be a 160/170 bike that pedals really well and obviously descends fast.
respectfully I was thinking the exact opposite. The choices here make 100% sense as they want more distance between the rigs and since the new EPIC is so capable they don't need a downcountry stumpy(the 140 front 130 rear I own).. this is more burly than that 21', 22' model and closer to the Evo but slightly better. I wouldn't trade an Evo for it at this price but the ideal world is that you own an Epic and the new stumpy and you can go ride anything.
I don't think too many people need more than this bike provides, but for that they will release a 170/180 downhill rig.
Lastly e-shifting is amazing, fully sold on the t-type. never again(mechanical)
How many trail riders truly take advantage of a 160 fork? I put a 150 on my stevo and use up nearly all the travel. The Enduro is going nowhere, they didn't really need 2 different trail bikes in their lineup. The regular Stumpy was the bike in a weird spot
Does anyone know what drivetrain is on the lowest spec model? It doesn't look like GX Transmission. Something under it...
SRAM released a downgraded T type group set today. OE ONLY THOUGH
The daft thing about electric transmission is that less cables has made ppl less ocd. But same ppl are now ocd about the holes that are left in the frame.
I just found my all fav bike with the rm altitude from last year. Feels like a trail bike with crazy dh capabilities. Replaced the fox stuff with a zebb and vivid and im just mindblown . Now i can sell my norco range and instinct
Bro that doesn’t even have anything to do with this video😂
@@Kovacs-sf1hihe’s stoked and wants to share it 😅
@@Kovacs-sf1hi there is never a wrong place to be stoked . but i guess you are right. just came over me lol
@@Kovacs-sf1hiHe’s saying that because now he has an excuse to sell both bikes and buy the Spechy!!😉
Happy with the Stumpy Expert s4 glossy white black for 3500 Euros 😎
Santa Cruz has been selling bikes with only axs drivetrains but I think they at least put that extra hole in the frame to go cable actuated if needed. Really not that hard to make a hole, Specialized
Looks like they brought back the linkage on the chain stay
9k... lol PASS
I’ll keep my EVO with mechanical shifting, more travel, and built up almost 2lbs lighter.
Are you racing this bike at downieville next week ?
No more proprietary shocks please
Agreed!
I don't care if it's made out of celery. If it works a lot better than the other stuff, that's what I want.
@@exothermal.sprocket never again. Once they stop producing the shock and you need to replace it or you need some unique part you’re screwed.
@@FullSenderson Every uniquely new or innovated product at a start. Even the stuff that's in the market in high volumes and common use had a start. What do you think people said about those products when they were starting?
@@exothermal.sprocketyes but this won’t be made for any other bike than a specialized. Hence my issue with proprietary parts. And specialized will just abandon it when a new model comes out.
What about fat bike compatibility?
Love it🎉