Dumb Things Christians Say to Atheists - Tier List
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- Christians actually say this stuff to atheists! Today, I'll be ranking bad Christian arguments and misconceptions about atheists in a tier list. Want to learn how to talk to an atheist? Avoid these cringe-worthy Christian comments. Want to avoid bad arguments for God? Well, here's why these arguments against atheism will earn you nothing but dumbfounded stares and face-palms.
My goal with this video isn't to mock Christians (aside from John Hagee). I'm sharing this, because I think they/you can do better and I want to elevate the discourse.
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01:21 - You’re an atheist. So you don’t believe in anything?
02:19 - Mao, Stalin, & Pol Pot were atheists!
03:58 - The fool says in their heart, “There is no God.”
05:20 - If you don’t believe in God, what’s stopping you from murdering and raping?
06:59 - You’re going to hell. I’ll pray for you.
08:12 - I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist.
10:14 - If man came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
12:21 - You just want to sin/You’re going through a phase/You’re just mad at God!
14:05 - Atheism is a religion too, but it’s man made.
15:05 - Wouldn’t you rather believe just in case hell is real?
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17:30 - You were never a true Christian.
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I mentioned how I realized hell is obviously man made. Here's my full video on that: th-cam.com/video/A0PNvs0LkCw/w-d-xo.html
And here's my full video on Pascal's Wager: th-cam.com/video/PfKDyHHUauM/w-d-xo.html
You might find some good stuff for your videos in Milton Woolley's Science of the Bible.
Holy Kool-aid have you read the Names of God (NOG) Bible?
Really helps knowing which Avatar is which throughout the stories.
The Gods and Demons fandom wiki has bios and pictures. 👍
Hell was my very first heretical position. I didn’t find it at all in the Old Testament, and Jews have NO concept of hell even to this day.
I found it completely horrific, and completely unjust and tossed it out. I tossed out a whole lot more before I realized it was ALL nonsense.
If one throws out the bad and the nonsensical, there isn’t very much left.
The Witcher is awesome!
@@jjphank You've made a lot of assumptions in that one comment. On the note of "what happened to make you lose your faith" I personally don't know Holy Kool-Aid's story but mine was not from a singular event but more so a slow and steady drift away as I held the values of truth and honesty utmost from my Christian upbringing (not the only way to hold those values) and continued seeking truth honestly regardless of where it lead. Turns out evidence is the most reliable thing to base your views on and if you're entirely honest with yourself it leads to agnosticism which realistically is the view of all Christians (insert any other religion here) too only for they use the word 'know' incorrectly a lot.
"If you're an atheist, what's stopping you from murdering and raping?" Me: Basic human empathy.
That really is sad that they use their religion as a reason to have basic human empathy. Ironically most Christians people I know lack it.
Just remember if a christian asked you that, it's probably some sort of thinly veiled confession of what's on their mind
@@morpheuslaughing exactly!
im a rape victim every man that did it was a follower of the church, they were not atheist.
@@cerberaodollam
Um no, I'm pretty sure that it's just empathy
I mean, I'd go as far as to say that Christians are the ones afraid of consequences, since y'know, an eternity of hellfire and torture and such
A for effort though, go back to primary school
A Christian telling an Atheist that he’s going to Hell is like a kid telling you Santa’s not bringing you any presents
Sometimes going to Hell (winter) is a relief from the hot weather of Heaven.
Man I am keeping that one
I always reply, heaven for the climate, hell for the company.
'Do not take the Lord's Name in vain' doesn't mean saying 'Oh God' randomly. It means you can't dictate God's actions. A Christian telling you you'll go to hell for X reason is, on some level, telling God what to do and therefore is sinning on some basic level. So, screw what those Not-Christians think.
@@philiphowell1505
Heaven is hotter than Hell.
my favourite quote is "if you need the threat of eternal damnation to be a good person, your not a good person"
That aint how it works, Jesus is the way into heaven, not good deeds
@@owenallen5733lemme ask you this. if god is perfect and doesnt let people suffer needlessly, why did events like WW2 happen?
im sure your going to say "its all part of gods master plan, those people needed to die in order to teach future generations valuable lessons." but then, my dear oh-so-wrong friend, what is the reason for stubbing your toe? or for getting a crick in your neck? whats the "grand plan" there?
@@wizdmovie9957ok so does jesus let everyone into heaven indiscrimenatly? or do you have to win his favor somehow? maybe by doing good deeds?
Jesus taught that there are no good people, that only God is good. So yeah, I'm not a good person and neither are you. We're just people. We are the candles, not the flame. So yeah, your favorite quote is egregiously uninformed.
@@doggo-bn4vg "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him (the son, as made clear by context), shall not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. It's not indiscriminately, but everyone gets the same choice.
"Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right."
thanks for completely missing the point of the morality argument
@@tijesunimiomisore8870 not to be rude but considering the video im assuming your a christian so if you read the bible then you would realize ruski is completely correct here
would you say its moral to commit genocide on an entire land just because you wanted to live there since you felt entitled to land you never lived in before? because if not then read the book of joshuah you blasphemer same if you think its wrong to murder someone's entire family for stealing a robe
@@tijesunimiomisore8870I’m too stupid the understand the argument 😭
@@cinnamon_board what
Sounds about right...
"If Atheism is a religion, then 'not-boning' is a sex position" - Best logic ever
Yeah I'm so using that one.
That’s the position I use most. Sadly.
@@moonshoes11 Careful now, I hear that it can make your eyes crossed.
I would bet you on this but, we are not shaking hands !!!
@@qhvianthomasmidgely5th.62
I don’t think you understand what “not boning” means.
I doesn’t mean boning myself.
Just like not believing in a god doesn’t mean I hate god, right?
If Thomas wouldn't have made the psychic debunk videos, I would say people could use mind reading to bone, or use ESPorn 😎. But Thomas and Dr Randi done put the smack down on those mo fos.
“You were never a true Christian.” Oh how I wish that was true. It would have saved me a lot of pain.
Me too! It would’ve saved me lots of 💰😑
@@jjphank Ooh! I smell a debate! I accept your challenge good sir. Shall we partake in a battle of words?
@@jjphank Alrighty! Um, what do you want to debate?
@@jjphank Funny. I just got off work. But I got you. How about ol' reliable; The validity of the rights of two men or two women to get "married?"
@@TheMountainMan-wz8xf It is not valid. Marriage is stupid and many a man or woman have shipwrecked their lives in following the cultural requirement/expectation to get married.
Marriage was perpetrated by religious corporations controlled by wealthy men who needed some 'legitimate' way to have their vast wealth and amassed possession (usually from theft from native peoples or exploitation of poor people) to live on in perpetuity, via inheritances and not go to some bastard child.
Women needed protection and support, because women were 3rd rate not even citizens, who could not owe property, vote, be educated, were not free to move as they pleased or anything else, due to the very low view of women in those times. They HAD to get married just to survive.
Marriage, helped the churches grow and solidify their power.
Marriage created the family unit, and the married couple, being bound together, were expected to have lots of kids. As a unit, the family would go to church with the kids to ensure that the churches would never be short of stock to stoke the fires of their power and wealth.
A couple of years ago I opened my front door to a man and a young girl who asked if I had found Jesus. I told them I wasn't looking for him and closed the door.
Why don't I ever get someone knocking on my door asking if I understand quantum mechanics? I would invite them in for coffee and want to hear what they had to say.
Hi Sundaydish. I was asked the same question. I replied I didn't know he was lost. Cheers, P.R.
@@philliprobinson7724 Lol, yeah that was the answer I wish I had used instead. Have waited for another chance but they seem to avoid me now. I also want to add "Have you looked behind the fridge?"
Heyyyyyy not about quantum mechanics buttttt
How much do you know about Gen Chem…..
And ya got any memorization tips?
(*cries cause I studied so hard and got a fuckin 74% on my exam*)
It is a crime against humanity that your comment doesn't have at least 1M👍
Scientists don't think that quantum mechanics will give you eternal life
As a Christian myself, I cant help but agree with you with this whole thing. It's literally bonkers to me how some Christians can't wrap their heads around other people having different belief systems or lack thereof. Christianity isn't the default for anyone, its one of many belief systems, so it's so bizarre to me how so many Christians clutch their pearls when encountering someone who believes something different
@owenallen5733 bro I believe all that, and others don't. It is not YOUR responsibility to "convert" others. Your job as a Christian is to live the example as a follower of Christ, but if someone doesn't believe in God or Jesus than that's that. I'm not loosing sleep over the concept of other beliefs. Atheists literally say telling the "Christ is the only way to the Father" means nothing to them. I read the Bible, I believe in God and Christ's sacrifice, but, GASP, other people don't, and that's just how it is
thank for your comment, as an atheist i think like you, everyone should have their beliefs and we should respect the beliefs of other because it's respect have a gret day
You're somewhat unlikely to see this comment, but you'll probably enjoy watching "LEVELS(basic version)". It shows why people don't understand others' perspectives
I see your point, and especially why you want to voice it, after watching such a well done, thoughtful video.
However, this isn't completely intellectually honest. If you are a bible believing Christian, than you by nature have beliefs, that don't just let you be completely cool with other beliefs.
As a Christian, I believe that Jesus is the only way to Everlasting life. I deeply want all my friends and family to get saved
@@owenallen5733 guys i just want to point out as an atheist than since we don't believe in hell or anything like that we don't want to be "saved" (i can't speak for every atheist but i think it's a pretty common feeling)
So to us it's just kinda annoying.
I get your point of view. But please don't try to save someone who doesn't want to be saved.
(If you Can and want save other and it will probably be good)
I had a preacher once say to me, "if there is no God, then how do planes stay in the air? Gods hand holds them" so I said, "so when a plane crashes, is it because god sneezed?"
It is a good example of how religion is built upon ignorance.
Something you don't understand = god did it
@@oneimpossibleguy1
I found the guy that doesn't understand most things.
It's kinda sad to see how dumb you are.
But it is funny that you haven't figured out how to hit the button that says "Reply" yet, so you actually send a notification to the right person. That does show your level of intellect though.
@@oneimpossibleguy1 So why do you think god created evil/calamity/disasters/bad times?
@@ThyBountyHunter So why do you believe Yahuah created us?
So that preacher was basically saying that God deliberately caused every planet crash ever. It's insane how clueless they are about their own words
"If you don't believe in God, what's there to stop you murdering and raping all you want?"
I'm frankly more than a little perturbed by all these Christians who are only held back from being monsters by their belief in a God
Just like with atheists who were once Christians, and atheists that were born and raised atheists; it works the same with Christians...
It's not that a bunch of Christians have a deep seeded desire to rape and murder, it's just a lack of understanding the atheist perspective.
I've been an atheist/agnostic most of my life, and only somewhat recently converted to Christianity, so it DOES give me a much better understanding of the atheist's perspective. But now being a Christian, I can see the their side too, and yeah, it's just a lack of understanding. The Christians that say what you're talking about, are the Christians that born and raised in Christian homes, and never left the faith. They simply don't understand what it's like to be atheist.
It's such a HUGE shift in perspective of life, that I'm just not surprised that there's big misunderstanding on both sides, ESPECIALLY amongst the people that have never changed from religious to atheist or vise versa.
I just say, "Jail." (It's so much simpler.)
@@einahsirro1488 it's simpler but you'd be admitting that the only thing stopping you is the punishment of your actions and therefore would just surrender for absolutely free
@@skypilot805 obviously we don’t think that as non religious pepole, we just think that line of logic is insane and the fact that they think that thats all that is holding them back from being bad pepole obviously makes them feel trapped in there own religious ways to stay virtuous
Especially when so many of them ARE monsters BECAUSE of their god!! I guess nobody's ever seen, "Carrie" and there's never been any proof to show that people like that (Carrie's mother) even exist? I've met a few so, I KNOW they do!! And, can you say, "Jimmy Jones" or "Heaven's Gate"? Sure, I knew you could.
Religion doesnt make people moral, it makes people obedient.
One of the reasons religion is so widespread today is because a lot of the most powerful groups in history used it. Unite the people under a common belief, and it makes it easier to get them to work towards your goals. It's a practical way to run a society, but now that we don't really go around conquering cities quite so much anymore, atheism is starting to grow.
Why is that bad?
@@MrGreen-fi5sgit makes you obedient to the wrong cause or the wrong people
@@peascoutpesante9456 Where does it say you must obey what an evil person says??? You people exadrate everything! 🤦🏾♂️
@@MrGreen-fi5sg you people?
One of the arguments that religious people have frequently accused me of (which was covered in this TH-cam), was that without religion, I have no morality, that we may as well go out and rápe and murder, because we have no moral compass.
The flip side of this is that if you are saying the only reason you have a moral compass, and don't want to rápe and murder people is because a book told you you would go to hell if you do, that isn't morality is it? It's obedience.
I am not saying religious people have no personal morals, I'm very specifically commenting on the claim from some religious folk (and unfortunately it is a common enough belief that people have accused me of having no morals purely because I don't believe in their god numerous times, which is very sad for them). They aren't offending me, they are telling on themselves.
Is it a bad thing? I don't know, you tell me.
As a depressed and nihilistic atheist, this kind of positivity is actually really refreshing. Thank you for taking on a lot of these genuinely, because I know so many atheists and agnostics who are just bitter and sad, myself among them. It takes strength to keep going in the face of eternal nothingness, and more to turn around and find meaning in the world around you despite all the horrors around every corner.
I highly recommend looking into optimistic nihilism if you are depressed about nothing having meaning or purpose, because if nothing matters, our purpose is whatever we make it.
@@Digitalsapien look around you? You think all this came form nothing? That's not nihilistic, that's deluded.
Love you ❤
eternal nothingness? there are generations that come after you. my positivity comes from 1. surviving my traumatic childhood and witnessing the kindness of basic strangers 2. that there are future generations who need our help to fight for a better more equitable life. I truly feel my purpose in life is to help others and found that when i was lost and the most negative i have ever been in life it was volunteering to help those who had it even worse or equally as bad as i did through this service and witnessing this kindness that wasn't for pr or because god told them to do it really changed my life it showed me that the kindest people were still out there for me to meet and i could donate the only thing i had which was time to helping them help others. Do i still get depressed and discouraged of course i do i'm human and world leaders/mega corporations are oppressive and kill people everyday but if i can help one person or do something to fight against that oppression then i know i will have contributed in a positive way. I hope this helps you in any way.
Hi Key. "Absolute honesty" is a moral positivity that does not depend on the existence of God. Nihilism is not justified. Cheers, P.R.
I’m from Germany and it’s kind of weird that “being an Atheist “ is such a big thing in the USA. Here people would normally just assume that you are not religious or believing. Being an atheist is totally normal here.
That is how it should be in a sane society.
I think god being printed on our money have convinced ppl this is a nation based on Christianity. So patriotic =Christianity.
Similar here in the UK. I am a struggling Christian in a crisis of faith, or perhaps I’m not at all now, certainly, I think a lot of American Christians seem to be a lot more extreme though. There seems to be more hate preached by Christians there. Strangely I converted to Christianity about 2 to 3 years ago but I have been learning about the history of it all and I have realised there are a lot of inerrancies in the bible and tons of different versions. Also there are unethical charlatan faith healers in America who use stooges and mind tricks to ‘heal’ people and loads of desperate and vulnerable people end up losing their lives and money because of it.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 god should let me into heaven because my cock is absolutely minuscule and I desire compensation.
I think that part of the problem here in the US is, perhaps counterintuitively, that we dont have any state sanctioned church as many other nations do. Our officially secular government, which does not officially endorse any religious group, has created a sort of free-market approach to religion. Religious sects have learned that in order to compete for parishioners they need to be increasingly extreme, which seems to be why each new religious group/movement is a bit nuttier than the last one.
I walked away from Christianity the moment someone told me that, because I have Epilepsy, my seizures were me "being possessed by the spirit of Satan," and that I was being punished for "contributing to the evil in our world" by refusing to believe. Sadly, there are millions of other atheists in the world who are still hearing the same thing.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 oh man.... You are soooooo dumb. Listen jackass the ten comadnments are what makes us human..... Maybe not the murder one. But lust? That's a hormone. Disrespect for parants....... Mood changes...... Belive in other gods.... What if you have never heard of Christianty? Though shall not covit? No jealousy? Though shall not steal? What if you need it. Jesus said money sucks. You didn't listen. Though shall not kill..... That's just a..... Ya do that. But your calling being a teenager a sin.... I have broken all but 1.... Though shall not covit..... And it's sad you tell people that belive that they should LIVE THEIR OWN FREE LIFES will go to hell..... And you give them trama. Truly kind beings.
I don’t like some religious people because of this .
I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I think religion dumbs some people down.
@@robertc8110 religion has nothing to do with it, some people are just dumb.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 so you are homophobic but preach about how hating is bad? im dragging you to hell with me lol
I’m a current Christain, I found this video pretty informative. It was well put together and educated me quite a bit. I learned a lot about this video on how to have real and genuine conversations with atheists.
oh goodie
I agree. It’s always important to learn from the opposing side so you’re not just brainlessly repeating what people have said in the past.
@@Th3_Freebird yeah its always good to get another perspective from the opposing side to not just become an echo chamber
Same. Can't say the same for the comments....
@@daryncollins7640 and y'all could take that advise as well.
Lets just call religion what it is, a cult.
a fairy tale
Bible is a well written storybook
Depends on which, by dictionary definition not always
Richard Dawkins said something like, “If the only reason you aren’t raping and murdering people is because you are afraid God is watching you, you are a person I don’t want to be in a room with.”
but such people do exist. that's the point.
Damn right to that!
he's got a point
Typical low testosterone beta male.
A good person that believes in God would also act morally independently of the probability of god's existence. God shouldn't be a scare tactic, but I don't see what Dawkins was really trying to prove there.
I remember reading a quote somewhere on the internet years ago saying "getting mad at someone for something because its against your religion is like getting mad as someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet". I don't know why, but it has stuck with me ever since.
That makes sense ngl
DANG good one imma use it a lot
I get mad at someone eating tortilla chips because I have braces and can’t eat tortilla chips and it makes me sad because I really like tortilla chips and can’t eat them for 2 years 😢
A very apt analogy!!!!
And this comment will stick with me forever.
"Telling someone never believed is like telling a divorced person they never loved their spouse"
-idk I forgot
hahahaah
So there is a quote that I really love, “if you need the threat of eternal punishment to be a good person, then you aren’t a good person” that’s what I think of whenever I hear the question about what’s stopping me from doing bad things
I always found the argument that "If you're an Atheist than rape and murder is okay" to honestly be disturbing and unnerving. If the only reason that you're a good person is because of a fear of some sort of eternal damnation, that is extremely unsettling. So you're essentially saying that you would gladly engage in immoral and depraved acts but, don't because of fear of divine punishment. You should be a good person regardless of your religion.
THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT IM THINKING!!
If there is no supreme moral figure, than it is rational to do whatever you please irregardless of the morality of it.
You and I won't do so because general society has conditioned us to behave a certain way, and you and I will, later in our lives condition other people to behave a certain way, to repeat the general retuning of society moral code. And we won't do so probably because of some genetic predisposition I am too illinformed to know, but the logic is still there.
Just because society tells us so doesn't mean it's objectively moral.
@@EmperorHero1 It's kinda frightening that that's the truth, when you really think about it.
Ding ding ding ding!
LITERALLY what I’m saying
“Atheism clearly does not cause violent atrocities-nor does religion prevent it.”
I like the way this was articulated.
Atheism kills unborn babies
@@rainhartwenkler8408there are a lot of pro choice Christians and alot of pro life atheists don’t be presumptuous due to lack of belief
what a dumb, naive statement too make! mao was an athiest, and killed at least 20 million, so was stalin who also killed 20 million, and north korea kills people every day. and there are many other examples.
@@thechristposter what is this comment supposed to mean?
I would argue that statement in actuality is reversed. Religion causes violent atrocities and atheism tries to prevent these atrocities through secular humanism and trying to make us all aware that we're more similar than different.
My mom told me today
"It's sad that you don't believe in anything, or do you think we came from monkeys?"
My dad years ago when I first came out as atheist said "your mind is warped."
They reveal their own ignorance in their insults
Your parent's shouldn't insult you or "guilt" you back. Then it wouldn't be sincere. And actions without sincerity is useless. Be sincere. . . even if it isn't whatever religion other people have.
You forgot “God works in mysterious ways”
I have been an atheist for about 60 years with one temporary lapse. My wife’s father was (by any definition) a truly good person and also a good Christian and I truly loved and respected him. At his funeral I offered a prayer to his god. That god did not exist for me, but was real for him. It seemed the right thing to do at the time.
I could have never brought myself to do that.
At one funeral i was asked to say a prayer, i refused.
Well, that was kind. You were following the Platinum Rule: Do unto others as others want to have done unto them.
Very kind gesture.
My late fater was in home hospice & actually posed the "what if you're wrong" question to me. I flat out told him that was fear mongering, he kinda snarled at me, but we went on about other things. A few minutes after he actually passed, I picked up the hymnal on the piano & started singing "The Old Rugged Cross", which was his favorite hymn, & I sang it again at his funeral. Same situation for me: this is real & important to them, so I will honor that for them. But this has nothing to do with me. I just want the same respect that we've been just expected to give & not be forced to kowtow to their belief system just because it makes them more comfortable while the rest of us suffer in silence & anger/frustration.
@@KentuckyLiz That rule can be dangerous. Let's say someone likes pain... The better rule is the negative "Do NOT do unto others what you DON'T want done to yourself..."
In my case, I honestly was never a true Christian. I was dragged to church every Sunday as a child, but I never thought I was supposed to take any of it seriously. I stopped going to church the moment I was given the option to, and it wasn't so I could go out and sin. When people say I just wanted to sin, I ask them "Which sin?" and they never have a good answer.
If you were good people, then you would like the Bible. Good people like good rules. But cheat and lye, you like to. And not work hard and waste time on silly amusements. And take advantage of the weak instead of helping them. Not fight to protect the land. And that is why you don't like the Bible. Nice try buddy.
The mathematical one.
Stop learning trigonometry pls, you'll go to hell
Or use only cosinus
(Sorry for that joke)
@@cowsmuggler1646 Let's go over everything and why this comment isn't a good answer to my question at all:
Good rules like "Slaughter everyone, including the nursing babies and the women" right? You have read the Bible, right? A lot of the Lord's commands are mass slaughter.
Cheat and lie? At what? To who?
I work very hard, especially on Sundays. Working on the Sabbath; maybe I am evil incarnate!
Taking advantage of the weak, what does that even mean? I've given to charity and helped people before without asking for anything in return. Didn't need any god telling me to do that.
Who am I fighting to protect the land from? I'm not in the army; that's their job! Also, not killing people in self defense is evil?
The real reason I don't like the Bible is that it is a poorly written fairy tale created by men to control other people. Did you know priests aren't allowed to go to war according to the Bible? I bet they wrote that in just to cover their own asses.
That is...honestly a mood. It took me up until a couple weeks ago to realize that I never actually believed what I was taught.
people have a misconception that going to church clears you from all sins, it doesn't
if you need god to be a good person, that makes you a crummy person
I can destroy the argument “you were never a true Christian” with this one word
: true
Should have added the argument that, "You'll become religious again when you're older or near death." Everytime I've heard that I've assumed it means all the old people praying in church are just cramming for the final exam. 😆
They're assuming that anyways
I could say the same thing about them back..they would become Muslim when they're old or near death
Or maybe it's because you don't understand
@@thetornadocrusader968 AAAAAA! A CHRISTIAN! SHOO! SOMEONE CALL THE EXTERMINATOR!
yea but also they might feel like they miss a purpose as they have already lived a life and are now too old and fragile (and perhaps tired) to find something new to undertake. So religion is the new thing to undertake. I'd understand. I dont think I ever will but for some people I guess it works.
"What were their names"
"Adam and...Ava?"
"I'm sorry that is incorrect"
-What old people are expecting, probably
As a Catholic, the ‘What’s stopping you from rape and murder’ one really gets me. Like, I don’t do those things not out of a fear of God, but because I can’t even begin to imagine the pain that it would cause other people. When people act like atheists should do it because they fear no God, it’s implying that there is only one thing stopping them from rape and murder: their religion. It makes them sound like they would do it if they were an atheist.
My father considered himself a devout Catholic yet he cheated on his family, had multiple affairs, had an illegitimate child, forced his mistress to have a home birth so there would be no hospital records, lied every day to his wife, deprived us of a genuine father figure, yet insisted that we go to church every Sunday. What raging hypocrisy in the name of religion. And that's not even everything he did.
Exactly it’s like this people think that humans are pure evil with no good in them. If your a good person then the answer should be obvious, it’s wrong and fucked up. But if you have to ask then that suggests that being a good person is a strange concept. I’m a atheist yet my moral and ethical code is all about being as kind and helpful as possible. Because the people who raised me were good people that where also believed in god. In life good are good people whether or not they believe in any afterlife. Believe if you want just respect if someone does not, free will after all
Whenever I hear that argument I worry for the person saying that because he/she is saying that if they weren’t scared of Hell they’d be raping people. Makes me wanna send them to a therapist before they have an outburst or something
Kinda weird because I feel like more people have been abused by religious people than atheists, in fact they justify their abuse with religion. “God made women subservient to men” people of Islam make women cover up because men can’t control themselves, or that’s what many of them believe. The religions of Abraham were made by straight men for straight men. I’m not a straight man, nor a man in general, why should I follow a religion that was used to justify hatred of my sex? Why would I follow a religion that was forced on my ancestors with murder and war? For religions that loves to follow the Ten Commandments none of them know how to follow them. I was raised Christian and I’m done with it. I’ll find my own path.
That religion is not enough to stop priests from bothering choirboys is enough to render the argument invalid.
Loved the video, but it also reminded me of my worst encounter with such a..devout person.
I was an atheist before I even knew what the word meant, since my parents were never religious and always taught me to question these things.
Fast forward to the end of middle school- start of high school: I was r@ped at 14 and it resulted in pregnancy; might I add it was a hidden one and I didn't find out until it was too late for abortion. Anyway, stuff happened and I and my family ultimately decided to keep the baby (initially I wanted to opt for adoption but when I held him for the first time, I just couldn't do it and to this day it was the best decision I've made).
HS started in Sept, but I didn't go as I was around 7 months in; gave birth at the end of Oct; started going partially to classes Mid-november and full-time in January.
Now here it comes: Around February we found out that my baby has cerebral palsy and I was already devastated. I was on very good terms with my homeroom teacher, she helped me a lot through everything and of course told her about it. All my teachers were very supportive and empathic and the news of my baby's condition spread.
The religion teacher (female to boot, with 1 kid and another on the way right at that time) knew I was atheist from the previous year, and out of the blue one day, she came to class, then straight to me and said "Your baby's illness is god's punishment to you for not believing".
Wholeheartedly, I can say that I've never broken down crying so fast in my entire life, before that or since (and it's been almost 10 years already).
Since the whole class witnessed it, the moment my homeroom teacher heard about it, she did everything in her power to get that woman fired as fast as possible. Unfortunately, she still teaches to this day.
I'm sorry for the long rant and perhaps some unrelated or unimportant babbling. I just felt I needed to get it out of my chest.
Thanks for sharing. I wish you nothing but the best.❤
Holy shit. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope you and your kid are doing well now.
I hope y’all are doing good. 🩷
I have quit having this conversation.
It never changes, and most theist don't care to have the conversation anyways. Which is fine.
i remember this scene from a show i watched.
"if you dont believe in hell, whats stopping you from killing all the people you want?"
"i am killing all the people i want, which is none at all."
I mean, yeah that was dumb on our part. Some Christians are lowkey humiliating
I think the show was After Life with Ricky Gervais
Great quote!! This sums up my frustrations with Christian hypocrisy so well. Even if you did have to kill someone in self defense and it was 100% justifiable, why would you WANT to kill someone and enjoy the process? The only logical answer would be mental illness.
If I was the unpolite Christian that asked that initial question my reply would be "but if you did want to kill some people, what would stop you?"
@@thewizardofodd6880 some? Attending a sermon and chanting along praising an entity that has never been proven not just real, but even remotely plausible. It's literally the same as worshiping an MLP character, circlewank around a figurine of one, and call that figurine the absolute authority
Some Christians say "Atheism is a religion."
That's like saying "Not gardening is a hobby".
For real
Now I'm wondering, is asexuality a sexuality? I've always thought of it that way, but I wouldn't say Atheism is a religion or belief system.
@@holynder3181 that's actually a good question
That's downright what an atheist would say imo. I'm a christian and I think that not having a religion means not having a religion lol
"Can't hang out with you tonight man, I have to non-garden"
“If you don’t believe in god, what’s stopping you from murdering and raping?” Well sir, it’s called a moral compass. But I would like to flip the question, if only god, or going to a happy place when you die, is stopping you from murdering or raping or whatever are you a good person?
Moral compass is good, it is not very different from saying Christian values. I do not think that any mainstream Christian denomination consider heaven and hell as places. Go to hell is street talk.
Good video. One question you didn't approach was the "how do you know what is truth?" opening gambit.
another thing: I'm convinced the vast majority of "Christians" are not really in it for virtuous living...it's all about the fire insurance...
Brilliant!
LOL. You mean they barely go through the motions because they want the retirement plan? Yeah, I agree.
absolutely...most are so sanctimonious and self- righteous...it's nauseating...
How can you love somebody who is threatening to torture you for eternity if you don't love them? All these Christians getting gaslighted by their own creation
@@ecchiowl5905 Ah, but I love him, and he loves me. It's only everybody else that has the possibility of going to hell.
Pick any christian and ask them if they are going to hell - then ask them why not. I always find the answer amusing. They either back themselves into a corner with 'faith' or debunk themselves with 'good person'.
I also find there seems to be a similarity between how extreme your view is and how much 'faith' is invoked. The more moderate a religious person is the more they seem to prioritise being a good person. This is of course just my personal view from my own interactions.
"Let's go to church, it'll fun and inviting with a sense of community" -my parents
The church: "if you don't perceive the bible in the exact way as I do, you'll be tortured in hell forever"
Christians are scary af... Went through the same as a former Baptist. My church also used to have bonfires every so often where parents made their kids bring their Pokemon cards, CD's, etc. to throw them into the fire because there are scary dEmOnS in them. The pastor used to take CD covers and point to random designs and say, "See! There it is! Just WAITING to take your kids away from Christ 😡" and everyone went along with it like a cult. Everyone and everything is a sin. They need to scare people with the thought of internal damnation to control them. So far from Christ and his teachings that they're way closer to the Devil they fear.
@@TreeDwellingShrimp Have you ever been to a normal church before? Seriously bro- where were you? Im sorry you got stuck with the back alley bonfire ritual church, but still, dont even try to portray all Christians and churches like that.
@@TreeDwellingShrimp i agree with the other guy, wht kind of church did you go to
@@danzjz3923 they're pretty common LMAO
@@rainbowsong909 crazy churches? yeah, only in america.
Love the video. It makes a lot of sense, and more people need to hear this. Thank you. I will send a donation.
Evolution is a process that results in changes in the genetic material of a population over time. Evolution reflects the adaptations of organisms to their changing environments and can result in altered genes, novel traits, and new species. Evolutionary processes depend on both changes in genetic variability and changes in allele frequencies over time.
The study of evolution can be performed on different scales. Microevolution reflects changes in DNA sequences and allele frequencies within a species over time. These changes may be due to mutations, which can introduce new alleles into a population. In addition, new alleles can be introduced in a population by gene flow, which occurs during breeding between two populations that carry unique alleles. In contrast with microevolution, macroevolution reflects large-scale changes at the species level, which result from the accumulation of numerous small changes on the microevolutionary scale. An example of macroevolution is the evolution of a new species.
One mechanism that drives evolution is natural selection, which is a process that increases the frequency of advantageous alleles in a population. Natural selection results in organisms that are more likely to survive and reproduce. Another driving force behind evolution is genetic drift, which describes random fluctuations in allele frequencies in a population. Eventually, genetic drift can cause a subpopulation to become genetically distinct from its original population. Indeed, over a long period of time, genetic drift and the accumulation of other genetic changes can result in speciation, which is the evolution of a new species.
Christian: "Why do you talk about God all the time?"
Me: "Why do you talk about homosexuality all the time?"
I can't like this because it's at 69 likes.
@@Devlinator61116 it’s ok to like it now. It’s at 123 and deserves to be at 420
Why do they talk about God to us
We don't. I almost never talk about it. You on the other hand...
@potz who's we and who's they?
I used to have a Christian friend in high school. She knew I was an atheist. One time, I was stressed and talking to her about my day. And then randomly, she said “Yea, I don’t really care about you, or want to help you. But God told me to, so I have to.”
To this day, I have no idea if that was supposed to be some kind of insult. It was so random, and she said it with a happy voice and a smile. Easily the weirdest thing a Christian has ever said to me.
Damn bro if she is such a bad friend then use her belief agaisn't her for your benefit. You be like "Go do my homework cause your God said you need to help me" or use her in a more subtle way where she won't notice your plan.
That’s a terrible thing of her to say, and that’s coming from me, a Christian
I don't need to be bribed to do what is good for others, or threatened with eternal torture if I don't. Anyone that does good because of that, is not a good person at all.
That is a very condescending thing to say. Even if “God” told her to help you, “God” would prefer her to not say her ulterior motive, and instead, just be polite.
PLEASE don't use that stereotype for all Christians 😭😭 But honestly, that is a REALLY weird thing to say, coming from a Christian
I'm a Christian who watches your content. I like to hear other people's perspectives. You have a funny personality and make me laugh sometimes. I wish we could get together and talk about these things. I'm not a member of any church or organization and simply study the Bible in Greek and Hebrew. I have many reasons for my faith in God and Jesus and am confident in my beliefs, so I don't mind when others challenge it.
You are a Unicorn! I sure wish all believers were like you!
@RealProCaine thank you. They say one teaches what one needs to learn the most. I feel like if one is confident in their beliefs and truly believe them, the need to force their viewpoint on others dissipates. The assurance within one's self when they are confident in their belief causes peace and rest. It's almost as if some force their teachings on others to win people over to their POV for their own validation needs.
Thank you for understanding that non-Christians are not trying to persecute you when your beliefs are challenged to critical belief.
I'm Catholic and I don't want to force my beliefs on other people. Maybe it's because of my country's culture of religious tolerance but frankly I don't think it's a good thing to force a religion on people who don't want it. After all from an atheist perspective the only evidence of Jesus Christ is a book. I believe in Jesus but I understand others don't.
Hell heaven sounds man made with mansions and gold streets. Why would spirt bodies live in a mansion on a street?
The exact same goes for the whole concept of Eden. Why would there be a place full of living things that can be killed, and further consumed if Dog made everything to be immortal? And no, animals killing other animals could NOT be the first incident of... well, killing. There would be no plants in Eden if animals didn't need to eat. And there would be no sunlight if plants didn't need to eat. Those iron age men simply didn't understand that plants are also living beings. Just like us, or donkeys, or capybaras.
The fool says in his heart,"There is no God"
The wise person says it out loud.
Any philosophy that references those who don't believe as being a "fool," is a philosophy that is not even worthy of investigation.
Awesome responses.
@@DrumWild
Fool, in biblespeak, is the confused winter season of hardship and the cursings.
If a fool can figure it out, why are there still so many people living in the 21st century that can't?
@@oscargordon
The fools all want to go to the mythical Heaven in the afterlife.
I had someone at work who was surprised that I wasn't religious. She genuinely could not understand that being kind and being religious were two different things. It made me chuckle to hear that exact statement in your video, she said that almost word-for-word.
Dumb people need to be indoctrinated into behaving a certain way. It's easier to rule them when they are predictable.
I think she had a good point... Hi I'm a Christian and want to ask you a question. From an atheist point of view, where does the objective moral good of being kind come from?
@@scootanow85 evolution
@@scootanow85 i leave the answer for somebody else, ive had about million christans drained my blood online by now, so i im gonna say this insted, if you really think this, than, you really were brainwashed from birth.
@@scootanow85 to leave the world a better place than from when you arrived. It's the ultimate moral objective of any decent person on the Earth.
Thank you for this man!!! This means a lot to me bro. Thos hits home for me. Love this content man keep this up
Great video, and the end was very hilarious lol. You should really write a book on this subject Holy Kool aid, one where you could go into a lot of these topics in depth so it can be well understood.
I left religion after I realized that I want to be able to think on my own, and not be told what to think.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 send me to hell.
Can't be any worse than being mormon.
Really it's the same. An evil man rules over you.
Take your holier than thou garbage somewhere else.
Welcome back to reality 😊
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So are you saying that what green97probe said by default means that he/she is a sinner that is condemned to hell because of the simple statement "I left religion after I realized that I want to be able to think on my own, and not be told what to think"? Its a general statement. Did not specify what religion was left, didnt specify what he/she was being told to think nor what this individual's thoughts are now........and quite frankly, its nobody's business. Nowhere in that statement did it say that the personal belief in God or their version of a Higher-Power was over. Who is God to YOU????? A guy with a white beard named God?! Who is Jesus to you? A guy with a brown beard who died for us? Are you putting full trust in the version of the Bible and its scriptures that you read today.....that it hasn't been reworded, changes (additions/ommissions) by the countless fallible humans that have passed it down and spoke/printed it? If green97probe doesnt go to a physical church on certain days, and explain his/her thoughts to the congregation, or listen to a pastor's (human) thoughts on what God/Jesus wants us to do, to learn how to JUDGE those around us without ANY qualification.....and to give money.........I guess it was YOUR moral authority that was annointed to you to ask him/her: WHY should God let you into Heaven? Instead of asking others, ask yourself. Have you ever lied, beat off, got mad at your parents, stole, got laid before you were married,?........but its all forgiven because you go to church right? And bercause you haver done those things or at least some......you can tell another person they are a piece of shit because you go to church. This is what they make you believe there? I'm sure that was God's intention. God: "I created you and I am your Father.....oh and uuuuhhhhh, you can't talk to me directly ever though.......you have to go to 131 Main Street and talk to me thru Pastor Simon....im kinda hard of hearing and am so busy that I cant just talk to everyone ". Keep up the good work of being your brother's keeper...a great example to all.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 so you don’t want him to have opinions. I am a Christian but you my friend is the reason why most people DESPISE Christianity and why they don’t want to be a Christian.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 you don’t have to answer a paragraph, geez
I think the fact that Christans think that athiests would have no moral compass probably says more about christians than it does athiests
It's called the straw man technique. To say "that says a lot more about Christians" when one only asked one person is literally an odious extrapolation.
@@gckeeper6314 what do you mean
@@gckeeper6314
There argument is that atheists, because they don't believe in god, don't have morals and just want to do bad stuff. So by their own logic, the only thing keeping them from doing bad things is some man in the sky that allegedly exists and a book about him. This isn't a strawman. If it is, it's THEIR strawman. All "that says a lot more about Christians" is is turning their argument against them.
@@espurrseyes42 no, that's not what I meant. In fact when I say "the straw man technique" or "the rhetoric of the scarecrow" that's just it. With more than 2.2 billion Christians in the world, you are going to take the speech of only 1 or 2 of them, and you are going to say "Christians" while generalizing to absolutely everyone, which by definition, is a sophism, or at best, if the person is in good faith, a paralogism. But the fact remains that this is a fallacious argument.
If you said, "that says more about themselves" ok no problem, but saying "that says more about Christians" there, that becomes fallacious.
Well, here's something simpler I came up with, to perhaps, cut through the mess.
If they do not fulfil, John 14:12... then, they are not, really, Christians.
Fair...?
As it got a lot more complicated than that, for centuries - without it.
Unfairly so, some might say.@@gckeeper6314
A quote i heard a long time ago and it stuck with me was "if you need god and the threat of hell to be a good person, you arent one, you're a dog on a leash."
Not a Christian, not an Atheist either. I'm a Polytheist. Ive been told a couple of these myself with a fun addition of them assuming I worship satan or sacrifice babies or something absolutely crazy. 😂
Hi CatWitch. What about the eating of human flesh and drinking of human blood (like the eucharist), have you been accused of that? Cheers, P.R.
@philliprobinson7724 Oh yeah, my dad's side of the family was catholic while my moms side is polytheistic. So I've been accused of that myself too. Pretty crazy the assumptions people put out there. 😂
@@philliprobinson7724humans taste like pork. I once ate my flesh scratch when i was kid. Not gonna lie. It wasn't nice
@@temuulenamartuvshin1204 Hi Mr.T. Let's be perfectly honest about this, when all shelves are empty, all hope is gone, and other human beings are the only food left available, we're all on the menu. What we taste like will depend upon what we've mostly eaten while alive, and of course how we're cooked, what herbs and spices go best with human cuisine, and the expertise of the chef.
After a 'plane crash in the Andes some years ago, the survivors were reduced to eating the corpses of those who didn't survive. They overcame their natural repulsion by treating it as a religious and spiritual act. This may be one of the subconscious driving forces behind the Christian eucharist. In olden days when famine was always a possibility, society needed a context which legitimized cannibalism in these circumstances.
The other not-so-acceptable driver of anthroposophagism was the Roman practice of eating a piece of the corpse of a greatly admired person, in the belief that one somehow "took on their spirit" and became like them. This was fairly common with military people who had defeated a very brave enemy. It's no different to some indigenous tribes who practiced a similar limited symbolic cannibalism.
It's quite possible both these factors lie behind the Christian eucharist, because Jesus as a Jew would not have eaten human flesh or drank the blood of any creature. All cattle beasts were drained of blood in Jewish ceremonies because they believed the life-spirit was in the blood. My own opinion is that the cannibalistic communion can only have been a Roman addition to his teachings. I hope this hasn't bored you.
Cheers, P.R.
Hey can you sacrifice my kid please? He's been a little bitch to me for no reason.
I love the murder/rape argument, because you can turn that back on them and say, "does that mean that you want to do that, but don't?"
Prior to Christianisation murder and rape were much more prevalent in societies and the abundance of village raiding campaigns, by Pagans, all round. But sure if that’s what you want to believe.
@@mattymate so the argument may have worked then, but today our society tells us what is right and wrong (mostly coming from the Bible). So I don't need to go to church every week or read the Bible every day to know that murder, rape and theft are wrong.
Additionally, being Christian in no way insures that you choose the right from wrong you are taught. Josh Duggar is a great example. He was raised in an ultra Christian home, and he's a convicted pedophile. (That's not too say that he is one because he's Christian, or that Christianity teaches you should be one-it clearly doesn't.)
The argument that without religion there is no way to have a sense of right from wrong just didn't hold up today.
@@rickseiden1 For the most part, yes. But there are plenty moral deviations in the present era that have emerged from being unknowledgeable of the scriptures, all of which are taught against in the bible that are advocated for today. I’m not simply talking about murder, rape or theft but deviations of other points, including the sin of lust which destroys many and is largely promoted. Or the murder of unborn children out of convenience for that matter. There seems to have grown a moral grey area and subjectivism as times of church abandonment went on which are beyond justification in most instances.
@@mattymate I agree that not everything that society says is right agrees with the Bible. And I agree that the Christianization of Europe brought about more rights and left behind a lot of wrongs. But the point here is that atheists don't need religion to tell them what is right or wrong. Society does that for them.
Without saying which one of us is right or wrong in this discussion, I will say this. I do not begrudge anyone from having their religion. I'm not one of those atheists who say all religion needs to go away. If your Christian beliefs make you happy, that's great. I'm glad that you find joy in being a Christian, and I'm not going to try to stop you or change your beliefs.
It's just that I don't need to be a Christian (or a member of any other religion) to know right from wrong, even if my sense of right and wrong doesn't line up 100% with the Christian (or any other religion's) sense of right or wrong.
Yup like what the church did to Pagans and Spiritual believers aswel as too some Hindus. They commited mass murder, some forms of genocide and vice versa. It is ironic as I have had a relgious person say this to me and I looked at the guy and told him to politely go figure. In all honesty god and jesus are just fictional characters. Like Harry Potter. He's not real!.
I agree with Richard Feynman: 'I would rather have questions I cannot answer, than answers I cannot question.'
That's a badass quote!!!
Didn't know that one. It's brilliant!
@D W sure it does!
@D W You just questioned my answer, so you tell me!
When you don't question the answers you are handed, you are complacent. You don't learn to challenge your own way of thinking. You end up doing exactly what you are told and nothing more.
I also hope you realize how reductive it is to imply that all answers are as simple as 'what is the capital of England.'
Atheist: A person who doesn't require the reward of heaven or the punishment of hell in order to be a good person.
theist: someone who believes in a god
as you may have noticed by my description my point was not all theists or christians are like those kinds of people there are some several kind christians that get discounted and ridiculed because of people like this and im just sick of this over-gerneralization
Awful definition.
Thanks so much. I have never listened to you before but I am glad that I did today. I have just recently started exploring atheist commentary in order to make sense of the screwed up christian world I grew up in
My snarky remark for "If humans came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" is "If humans came from dust why is there still dust?"
Because nobody is saying that humans evolved from dust, genius. I bet you thought yourself so clever too.
@@Digitalsapien
Doesn’t God fashion Adam out of dust?
@@-alovelygaycat- Yes, made out of dust. So to use an analogy: think of a sandy beach, where suddenly a sand castle appears and we don't know where it came from. One theory states that natural forces over time eventually eroded that beach exactly perfectly for the sand to form an image that happens to appear as a castle. The other theory states that someone that we can't see, don't know, and can't ever prove came along and made the castle. Case one is evolution, case two is design. So as I stated, nobody is arguing that humans evolved from dust. The dust was shaped into a human form by an entity with deliberate creative intent (just as was the sand castle and just as was every organism with its own distinct genetic code).
@@Digitalsapien
Ah, okay. Was a bit confused. I get your point now. Don’t believe it, but sure.
@@-alovelygaycat- So uh which is the more complex form (and therefore less likely to evolve by happenstance due to natural forces) - the sand castle, or the genome of a living organism? In other words, if one finds it preposterous to think that the sand castle was formed by natural processes, one should find it far more preposterous to think that life was formed by natural processes. If you don't, there's a clear reason why, which is you don't like the truth frankly. And unfortunately, what you believe will have no affect on the nature of objective reality. It will only affect what happens to you within that reality.
I wholeheartedly agree that the "You were never a Christian line" is extremely frustrating, but as you alluded to, it's a way for Christians to shield themselves from considering that maybe I left for legitimate reasons.
This whole fanbase hopefully
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It is impossible to ptove or disprove, making it an ideal christian argument.
I love that one, and I am sure it is intended as an insult because it is frightening for the believer to contemplate the folly of their belief.
I asked the person to repeat their comment to make sure I heard them right.
Then I respond.
If you are correct, I wasn't as gullible as I thought I was - what with time, money, earnest prayer, hours of study, and assistance provided to the church and community. Those around me admired that I was on fire for the Lord as I was bold and confident in my witnessing because I always relied on the scripture. I have never heard that compliment before, and I appreciate your kindness.
I always thought I was sincere and felt God was calling me to do those things, but I guess I was mistaken.
Thank you.
You have reinforced my discovery that I wasn't using a very reliable method for all those fifteen years.
What do you do to verify the difference between God calling you to do something and imagining you are called?
I was never a christian, was born an atheist, and have always been an atheist, now 40yrs old, still atheist.
It could be that You saying they are Shielding themselves is a way to Shield Yourself. You Act as if there is No Reason a Christian would say this other than to protect themselves. But lets Face Reality, Most Militant Atheists, and None that I've spoken to, have Legitimate Reasons to become Atheists, and Most of You O'd say Were never Truly Christian, and its not to Shield Myself and My Religion from Valid Critisism, or having to Admit People can Leave it for legitimate Reasons. its because You Listen to Holy Koolaid, and Think His Arguments make sense, and won't even Admit he has No Arguments since he simply repeats what he read on Atheist Websites or in Books or saw in Videos.
You even Shield Yourself from People saying You are Ignorant of what Christianity Teaches by invoking Your own Silly Excuses, such as "There are 45 Thousand Denominations, they don;t all Teach what Your Pastor told You in Your denomination. Why not Learn about them?" As if that somehow Proves what You said is Believed in by Any Christian.
I really don;t Think saying "Because You do not Understand what Christianity Actually Teaches, You were not Really a Christian in any meaningful sense of the term" is a No True Scotsman Fallacy.
It is also Hypocritical since Plenty of Atheists say No Atheist ever Returns to Religion or no True Atheist ever becomes a Christian.
I never know what to make of it when people say they "left their faith". I see it rather that their faith was gradually burned away in the crucible of education, knowledge, and honest seeking.
Hi Michael. Quite right. "Having faith" is not a meaningful position, it's a statement that you are happy to let others decide what you believe. Cheers, P.R.
As a devout Methodist, I must say that this guy is exactly what we need more of. He responds to each (very bad) argument with respect even if many Christians don't show it to him. I live in South Georgia and the Christians here are exactly how they should be. Kind, loving, people. But I go online and so many Christians are so horrible to Atheists. Sure, we may have differing views, but attacking Atheists for their beliefs is very hypocritical of us. This goes for Atheists as well; I see so much hate and I wonder how people can have so much hate in their hearts. But this guy doesn't do this, but he delivers his arguments without being hateful. He clearly has a lot of kindness and love for people, and he is what we need to aspire to be like: kind and respectful.
Honestly i belive attacking an athiest , would do the exact opposite of what any thiest wants , what we see is that usually when a certain group of people who belive in something are attacked , *usually* that leads to strengthing belife and the opposite it is *usually* true.
I am sorry for any athiest who recieved bad treatment from christians , but I genuinely want you to know that not everyone is like this.
@@justadude189 I'm used to it. It really isn't a argument, this is how it goes, i ask a question, they say I'm going to hell, I say what proof Is there that he'll exists? They never respond back. It's fine but thank you for your gratitude.
"You were never a true Christian"
I agree. I was also never a true Hindu, a true Sikh, a true Scientologist, a true Buddhist, etc etc.
Man, you really went around the horn, huh?
@@KilelSix What exactly are you trying to say?
@@cnault3244 It means, you have right end point, but took the longer/more difficult route. (Around the horn, as around Cape Horn in South America, before Panama canal.)
@@tarksurmani6335 I understand what the phrase means. But I thought you may have misinterpreted my post.
I didn't mean to imply I was a Christian, then a Hindu, then a Sikh, then etc etc
I had never joined any religion because I found all of them to be silly. In that sense, I was never a true fill-in-the-blank.
@@cnault3244 oh my bad
"If Americans came from British people, why are British people still there?" LOL! Thank you oh Holiest of all Holy. This is a very well put together summary of ALL my experiences talking to religious people. WELL DONE!
Obviously British people do not exist, they were put on that Island by the devil to test their faith
If I came from my parents, why are there still parents?
@@nemiloszorka1162 LOL! Event better :)
Being in England myself, I can alas assure you that Quite a few of my countrymen are most certainly NOT all there. But perhaps that's a different argument.
I prefer if God made humans out of dirt, why is there still dirt?
I'm an agnostic atheist and just found your page. I am enjoying your videos!
❤
Glad to have found this channel. I was raised a 4th generation Christian. I wouldn't say I've "lost" my faith, but it looks nothing like your everyday church person. Looking forward to seeing your other vids.
I ended a friendship a few years ago over "you were never really a Christian." Even after I explained my experiences growing up religious and made it clear that negating my experiences like that was hurting me, he still doubled down and insisted that he was right and I was wrong about my own life. I really tried to maintain that friendship even as he became more radical in his religious beliefs, but once I realized that he refused to believe me when I talked about my own life I couldn't do it anymore.
That was never really a friend.
Atheists who were true and sincere Christians in their heart-of-hearts (etc.) are a huge threat to believers because if that's true, then the thought arises: "If they were really as much a Christian as I am, and they fell away, then I could fall away too." Which to a believer is terrifying. So I understand the emotional reasons (not logic) behind taking that position. They very likely can't even countenance that you were a "true" Christian. The thought is so threatening it can gain no foothold in their mind.
I can easily relate. In fact: I was forced to believe in the Christian God even though I've NEVER EVER really believe it. Didn't make any sense, even when I when I was very little.
I don't blame you at all. Anyone who presumes to tell you what you think/feel/believe etc is not worth associating with. It's horrible losing friends, but when the relationship is too toxic, it's safest to leave it.
@@sourisvoleur4854 They get scared enough by the thought of secularly-raised people genuinely not believing, let alone someone who once sincerely believed and then stopped believing.
"If atheism is a religion, abstinence is a sex position " keeping that
Beautiful
@@resinfingers3896such a great quote!
Athiesm is freedom from religion
Atheism is a religion based on belief of science
@@BrydTempest
re·li·gion
/rəˈlij(ə)n/
noun
noun: religion
- the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
superhuman power or powers... i suppose you could call the universe and its laws that? it's a stretch, though
- a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a particular system of faith or worship... not really. the scientific method is kind of the opposite of a faith-based thing, and i don't think there's a system of worship
- a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
"consumerism is the new religion"
you could say this if, and only if, atheism fits this role in someone's life
The greatest Atheists were once the greatest Christians
Well stated. You're doing a tough but much appreciated job in a world of fear. I've always felt that nobody would be religious if they weren't afraid to die. If there was no reward they'd ignore it.
"You're too nice a person to not be Christian!" Just makes me want to scream...every damn time I hear it!!
BTW, this is one of your best ever, thanks!
That's around the time when you realize that the reason why these people have to TELL everyone that they are a "good Christian," is because nobody would ever guess it based on what they say and do.
Hit 'em with a "well you're nowhere near homophobic or science-denying enough to be a TRUE Christian"
"I was a biggoted asshole in the name of God. Taught to hate and condemn. By becoming an Atheist I started resembling Jesus more and more. Love and Forgiveness."
@@DrumWild Just like how their god has to remind you in his book that he's the good guy
Haha I get this one a lot. "You're so nice, you must be LDS? Christian? No? Well you've got God in your heart."
I grew up going to church and even as a child I never understood why people had to go to church to prove their loyalty. If god was all knowing he already truly knew if you were worthy of heaven and what intentions you held in your heart. I could not wait to stop going to church, it always felt uncomfortable to me. Everyone sitting and watching the same thing, singing the same songs, just felt creepy.
I don't like going to church. These days I feel like I am walking into a kindergarten or pre-school. It seems so immature and naive.
@ There is none Good but God John 3:16, Rev 3:16
Something doesn’t make sense to me. You said Jesus died on the cross, but he came back after a few days. What kinda sacrifice is that? Also, lowest position in Heaven? Heaven has a class system? Sounds kinda weird
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Come on man......
Actually, the only way to get to Heaven is by accepting Jesus as your Savior. Going to church is just something Christians do because they want to praise and worship God, and also have fellowship with other Christians. The Bible also says that Christians should go to church. God does know everything, but if you are a Christian, you would want to go to church. Although there are many good churches out there, there definitely are some not so good ones, so if you do ever decide to go to church again, avoid those (not so good churches).
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 u my friend either need a hobby or professional help
I hate that this has to be a frustrating discussion sometimes even today. Exhausting sometimes repeating ourselves.
I searched for "religious nutcases" and found this video. Great channel, subscribed!
When people weaponize “Ima pray for you.” My wife exclaims “AND IMA PRAY THE OPPOSITE PRAYER!” 😂😂😂
Keeper.
I just say I'm going to hex you ...🧙🏼♀ im wiccan so i rarely if ever hex or even worst a curse unless it necessary (never happen but i do put spell on people that has bad intention to protect others! it don't hurt the person it just put a stop to their mean nature for a while) ,i only do good magic to protect. But yeah i just let them become paranoid and this cause natural misfortune since they believe that i did something. I wonder what they say to their friends omg I'm curse I meet a witch AAAaahhh 😂
yo shi i never thought about that i was wondering what i should say when someone says that to me💀
Tre Crowder has a good bit about what made him like his now wife when he met her.
Someone said “I’ll pray for her” and the wife responded “what a coincidence, I too, am going to do absolutely nothing to help the situation”
Lol. I’m going to use that!
every goddamn time
I love the one guy that said bananas prove God exists, because of how perfectly they fit in a human hand. Apparently, nobody told him that modern bananas are not the same as they used to be. People have bred them into a totally different fruit.
Yeah, the "all things are created to perfectly fit Man" is complete and utter bullshit. Back in 1759, Voltaire was already heavily criticizing that humano-centric point of view in "Candide".
Thats really fucking weird and idk why
Nah the best one has got to be from that dude who built noah's ark in the midwest. Talking about how God has to be real, because how could something as complex and perfect as the human eye be a result of evolution... While wearing glasses
@@thereisnowayyouareforreal5156 1. That is pretty funny. 2. I did see that guy and the magical ark museum of disinformation. It was in a documentary I watched about Bill Nye. Bill traveled there to debate him. It was a one sided academic beat down, but you wouldn't know from the reaction of the corn cobs in attendance.
@@Danielson1818 he's my all time favourite religious nut. Just a never ending stream of self roasts
If I don't believe in heaven, I don't vo to heaven right? Well I don't believe in Satan, so do I go to hell?
"Of course you do, if you believe in Satan you still go to hell"
That's not very fair to Satan is it?
The worst argument I’ve heard is when you use the phrases oh my god or Jesus Christ as an expression. Just because I say those phrases doesn’t mean I believe in the original purpose of said phrases. It’s just an expression.
just because of that i resort to "for fuck sake" or "motherfucker" as an expression
ik they're profanity, but that's the most honest and neutral thing that i can spit out
I'm 75 years old. My deconversion from evangelical Christianity took about 30 years. I asked Jesus into my heart at age 7, was raised in an evangelical home, attended bible school, picked up hitchhikers in the 70s and 80s, and witnessed and gave out the 4 spiritual laws wherever I could. When I could no longer believe in god I cautiously mentioned to a long-time Christian friend that I no longer believed in god, his only remark was "You just think you Don't." What amazes me is that no evangelical friend or family has ever asked me 'why?'. I'm glad I'm out. Better late than never.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I find this a bizarre reply to my post. I also find it sad probably because it reminds me of my former self. When I was a believer, I often quoted scripture or something from a daily devotional much like this. That is because I took the words of Jesus seriously to 'not lean upon my own understanding' and simply believe. Now I think for myself and accept that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. This is so liberating to be free of religious dogma and I wish this for all those I care about.
I'm sorry this was your experience. A lot of Christians have doubts at times in their lives and I believe your friends should have been more supportive and patient. Nobody is perfect. That's why Jesus came. I'm also curious about what you mean by the four spiritual laws
@@peterhiemstra5491 The four Spiritual laws was a small track distributed in the 70s by Campus Crusade for Christ and other evangelical groups. (It stated - 1/ God loves you. 2/ Man is sinful and separated from God. 3/ Jesus Christ is God’s only provision for man’s sin.4/ We must individually receive Jesus as Savior and Lord) I believed and lived by these principles and shared them with everyone I met. Peter, after my many decades of being a true believer I can now declare that I am not and have no desire to go back to my former ways. The biblical promises of freedom, joy and contentment were fulfilled ironically when I left the faith. It is called faith because it is not knowledge. I have no desire to argue about one's beliefs But I do desire to see those I love come out of superstition and live life in reality. It is good to realize that the Gods, including the god of the Bible, the Quran, Bhagavad Gita and other holy books are the creation of man and not the other way around. I am now sorry I spent so many years trying to be a soul winner for christ rather than loving and respecting those people. They were good, kind and compassionate people. I only wish I could apologize
Pacific Bob...
I'm neither an evangelical friend or family member.
But I'll take a shot at it
Why ??
@@eyemnew2991 Thank you for your reply. I ask you to read my previous posts.
Man, I would love to speak with you. I’ve recently deconverted. For 13 years I was a full time minister in one of Americas main stream denominations. This has been a lonely tough journey to navigate. Deconverting has not been pretty. I gave my entire life up to this point to ministry, and walking away from all of it is really hard. It’s what I did to provide for my family, and all of our needs. My entire circle of friends and family are Christians. However, I couldn’t stand behind a pulpit and shout unproven claims at people anymore. Your channel has helped me so much. I just want to say thank you.
Wow!!! That is really brave of you!!!
The first, and still ongoing, part of my healing from religion is to realise that I'm not inherently evil. It's been hard.
Belief It Or Not does some really good deconstruction episodes, they've helped me a lot as well as Tommy here.
Good luck.
Just knowing that you aren't alone is huge. I have a ton of sympathy for you, and respect, too. That takes a lot of guts.
Very brave. Best of luck. X
@ wesoak88 Do you feel like Neo in the Matrix that just took the red pill?
You might want to read the book "godless" by Dan Barker, who was a fundamentalist christian minister for 17 years. I, too, was a fundamentalist christian, who attended christian schools my whole life and christian college as well, and went on a mission to Central America. I was a true believer, but finally after reading and studying the bible for so long, it became perfectly clear to me that it was absolutely, totally false, and nonsense. Accepting that christianity was not true was REALLY HARD -- but you have to grow up. I used to wake up in the morning and go to my first job after (christian) college thinking "I don't know HOW to be a non-christian." You might also want to read Dr. Bart Ehrman's book "How Jesus Became God". Dr. Ehrman was a super fundamentalist who went to Moody Bible Institute and then to Wheaton College and finally to Princeton Theological Seminary, where he got his Ph.D.. The more he learned about the bible the more it became clear to HIM that it was not true.
Now that I'm free of the virus of religion, I'm so much happier. But it took awhile to make the transition.
I remember being little and going to church with my parents, I also went to a Protestant preschool. But little me would always think it was funny how the stories would go. Like the one with I think Moses talking to that firey bush. Little me was like “Oh my mans must have gotten dehydrated in the DESERT and is now hallucinating ‘god’ talking to him”. I also found it demeaning when they would try to get us to sing the songs like “my god is an awesome god” etc.
When I got into middle school we’d moved states and my parents hadn’t found a church they liked, the closest one was a mega church which said “woman should be seen and not heard” which my mother did not appreciate. I think that is one of the times I’ve been proud to be her daughter because he apparently very publicly dressed down the pastor. But yeah by the time I was in middle school the scars of religion in my life reared their heads. Because guess what I’m a aroace demi-girl, which was not a great revelation if you were me and had internalized phobias against those particular groups. So that was a whole thing which led me to loathe christianity. Seeing how I treated myself and how other treated me afterwards due to its influence was an eye opener.
I’m now getting ready for college and while I don’t claim to be an atheist (probably agnostic or something) I still feel uncomfy around religious gatherings. I recently went to a christening for my cousins daughter and the panic attack I had realizing I’d be going wether I liked it or not had me freaking out. I’ve now realized that I haven’t healed from what was done to me, and what I’ve seen done to others for the sake of “religious self righteousness”.
All this to say that I’ve gotten the “well if you don’t believe in god why aren’t you murdering and raping people” or the “we only have morals because of religion”. Those are the kinds of conversations I’ve had stuck in a car with my dad unable to escape. I’ve found that I personally feel more safe around atheists and agnostics when it comes to my identity. It doesn’t help that the oldest and sweetest woman in my life (my granny) is an uber religious catholic. She knows I’m gay where the rest of her spawn don’t. I don’t want to break her 87 year old heart and tell her that I don’t believe in her god or anyone else’s. She still slips up when shes drunk or buzzed, “oh when you settle down with a husband” like O-O.
I really enjoyed this video and found it informative.
I am a Christian, and I found some of the items interesting. I honestly did not realize that about evolution. Thank you for explaining!
I also agree that Pascals Wager is a bad argument. Like you said, with so many different religions, cults, creeds, etc. It would be impossible to follow them all to avoid offending the multitudes of deities or leaders that might exist
My favorite was when christians would tell me "you're not even trying to believe" as if it were some how MY job to convince myself to believe the bad argument which they were trying to sell me on.
Oh, that is so great! 😂
It seems like some people don't really grasp the concept "belief"...
MAN, I'm glad that I don't live in a Bible Belt.
I mean, some religious communities say that belief is the core concept, and everything else is secondary. Since things like the trinity are impossible to comprehend according to their teachings, actively trying to believe is something they need to do.
“If you don’t believe in God, why are you so mad at him?”
Have these people ever been exposed to a work of fiction with a villain in it? People who don’t exist make us angry all the time.
Literally Geofry from Game of Thrones 😅
God is good and holy and perfect and loves you and lets you experience His creation, flowers, birds, puppies and kittens, the sunset, the wind the stars, He is worthy to be praised
@@bobdabuilder2424Yes he is
No one is "mad" at him if they don't believe "he" exists... lmfao
the difference is their moronic belief affects laws and the way society is run
Living in Florida as an athiest with crippling anxiety I rarely open up about my athiesm around people. I've had people in high school try to convert me, and when I refused to say the pledge of alligence because of "One nation under god" that really stirred the pot with people so to speak. Every once in a while things get brought up and I just try to avoid it knowing that a lot of people will try and convert me or just talk down to me. However, I have heard about five these used against me in an argument or said directly to me.
i’m in the exact boat as you, you’re not alone! ❤
You could just skip the "under god" part - no one would notice. It was added to the pledge within the lifetime of some people here.
@@roytee3127 I have a choice not to say it
I am a Christian, as part of the Dutch reformed church, we enjoy apologetics and logical and rational thinking. I find your videos to be clear and friendly. I would enjoy talking with you about anything, even though we disagree. Thank you for your respectful tone and adherence to logic. ❤️
"we enjoy apologetics"
"and logical/rational thinking"
Pick one and only one. The two are completely mutually exclusive.
@@toastcrunch9387 I think they meant apologetics for atheism.
I am a Christian and it really gets me when the "church ladies" tell me if I was a full or true Christian I wouldn't do certain things like play video games or watch any movie with over a PG rating. They dont know my journey or level of faith.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 but where did you learn this knowledge? A single book?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 where are these instructions? In the Bible? Or do you have some more research and sources?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 religion has turned you into an evangelism bot
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 amen 🙏 I'm glad to see christians sticking up. Makes me have hope in the future.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 nahhh, I got daughters and they are not less than any man, ever. The Bible has scriptures that tell women they are not as equal as men, that man is made in the image of god etc. Fuck that shit, my daughters are sure as shit not less than any man.
The thing I always find interesting about the "Why not kill and rape' argument is that is shows people using that argument only don't do so because they are afraid God will see it and punish them. It says more about their lack fo character than my character.
It says more about their repression.
The answer is simple. Because I don't need fear of a God to care about other people and therefore have no desire to victimize them. However it implies that they do! So, I always tell them "If that's what you need to keep from hurting others, then by all means, don't let ME get in your way. In fact, why aren't you in church right now!"
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Penn Jilette: "I have killed and raped everyone I want to [...]"
My favorite answer.
It speaks to a bleak outlook on people in general. Also the mental state of the person making the argument.
Aren't religions always the ones who sent people out to kill other people, burn down their house , kill their child and rape their wives. But i guess all those "true believers" believe that history is just a lie, right ?
I was not expecting a half life reference in this video. But I made me laugh!
Christian here, anyone can believe what they want to. This is part of the gift of free will God has given humanity. Forcing somebody to join another religion is never okay.
Believe what you want to believe. Have a great day everyone, God loves you!
But god wants us to believe in him or punish us, when there is a reward/punishment then that negates free will. For something to be truly free it cannot be influenced at all.
@ThyBountyHunter you claim to know so much about Christianity yet your view on it is still of a child. "B B But we're still going to be punished!! Waaaah!!!"
Don't mind thy here. This troll/fool threatened to r@pe my children. Just check out my community tab for proof.
@@oneimpossibleguy1 Finally some W comment
@@PanAugusto83 I know
"You were never a true Christian"
My response would be: "Glad we agree on that."
"That's the whole point"
The point is that if you were never exposed to real Christianity that means you were never able to make an objective decision.
@@thetruebodyofchristrestored This comment is worse than the whole of the Westboro Baptist Church
@@bendingdemon6483 Nothing I said would make me like Westboro. You are just overreacting because you dont like hearing truth.
@@thetruebodyofchristrestored that right there is EXACTLY what the WBC does "YoU jUsT dOn'T lIkE hEaRiNg ThE tRuTh" nah man, it's because I just don't care
One that always gets me is, “how will you ever meet a good Christian girl if you don’t go to church?” Who says that only Christians are good, and as an atheist, why would the spiritual beliefs of a potential partner be my priority?
I believe that it is good for a couple to be on the same commun ground for beliefs cause at least you are on the same page, whenever you will have an issue you will both know how to solve it and how to talk it out.
Pretty much every 'good Christian girl' I've ever known has been a seriously dirty, kinky, prolifically sexually active (but hiding it well) 'freak in the sheets'. (90%) OR so completely clueless, uninformed, and MISinformed about sex that they don't know *anything* about anything! (10%)
I've always found that so incredibly funny.
I witness Christian married couple seeth over non believer couple who aren't married having a good life together. As an atheist you get a free trail on relationship like seeing if both of you got good chemistry with each other and don't forget Sexual compatibility.
If things doesn't work out at least you both know and gave it a shot.
For Christian they rush into marriage and become unhappy once they found out they aren't compatible with each other divorcing is frown upon in that culture. There are many horror stories on how some kids grew up in a Christian family seeing their parents dislike each other for 30 years. It sucks putting kids into this kind of situation because some Christian couple thought that having kids would solve their issues.
Good Christian girl?
I'm hoping to meet a good atheist girl :D so I'm alright staying away from church
Very interesting video, would be insightful to see a video out there with the opposing perspective because as im scrolling through these comments there seems to be a lot of misconceptions on what it means to be Christian and Christ like. So sorry for everyone's negative experiences.
I love this guy. It's like Weird Al decided to do a comedy religion show.
The one of these I've gotten the most is the "If you don't believe in God, what's stopping you from murdering and raping?", which terrifies me, because the implication behind that is that the person asking the question truly desires to murder and rape, but their belief that they will be punished by God is the only thing preventing them. What stops me from murdering and raping is a complete lack of desire to do so. Even the criminal justice system has no real impact on me, because the idea of a punishment for doing something I would never even contemplate doing is meaningless.
The "You were never a true Christian" one for me is just confusing, because I'm not a reformed Christian. I've simply never believed in God because the entire concept never made sense to me. I went to church a few times as a child, but it always just seemed like fairy tales to me. Belief in God struck me as absurd as believing that there was a passage to Narnia at the back of my wardrobe, or that there were trolls living under bridges. I've had people level this accusation at me, and my response is usually "... and?"
The true christian is a weird one. If you were, it's highly insulting. If you weren't it just falls flat. It's not very likely to make you reconsider, though.
Yeah there are laws in the world to follow and we have compassion as well as empathy
Ass an atheist I have more morals than the priest who molested me
Once a friend asked me how i can even wake up in the morning without believing in god. I told her I don't understand your question.
@@seppyq3672 Wouldn't that mean the fact you're alive and awake disproves her god?
Once a Christian asked me if I was an athiest, how I coped with hardships without relying on God. I think the question was asked in good faith, but I wasnt really sure how to answer because I cope in a lot of different ways depending on the nature of the situation. However in almost all difficult situations, I ask for help from people who care about me which is what I told her.
And how did she react?
@@Kocicimejdan she asked me what I do when the people who cared about me couldnt help me. That has happened before, and its hard to describe how I survived, but I did.
After a few long-distance solo treks and some tremendous growing experiences in college, I slowly came to realize that I myself was a pretty good person to rely on in hardship. I discovered that I had a lot of strengths and internal resources I had never developed before.
@@Kocicimejdan she may have given him a blank stare and she may have experienced hardships you and darth can't imagine. when you finally develop compassion if you do where will it come from? logic? lol
you’re right and meanwhile, christian’s don’t help a single person unless it benefits their pedophilia and grees
What I really hate is that us atheists are actually really chill to non-atheists, but in return most times we get people that try converting us 😭
I know you heard this before… your vids mean more to me and others than you might know. Thank you!
"You weren't a true Christian" is DEFINITELY the most frustrating. It completely ignores the years of pain and tears that believers often go through in the slow process of de-conversion and attempts to invalidate you because your existence makes them uncomfortable.
But there's one upside to it. If they're willing to actually have the conversation, and you can describe to them all the things you experienced as a Christian - The feeling of elation that you believed was the "Holy Spirit" touching you, moments like opening the Bible to a verse that seemed to speak directly to you, breaking down in tears because you were moved by a Christian song and thought you felt the presence of God - If they relate to any of these things, and they understand that you went through them and no longer believe, then they will be forced to face their discomfort and understand that it's possible to come through all of that and disbelieve. For some people, that might be their first step to recovery.
"breaking down in tears because you were moved by a Christian song and thought you felt the presence of God"
Wait. So, when Christians say that they felt the presence of God, it's actually just a flux of feelings and ideas that they empathize with and make sense of?
It's a genuine question. I was raised atheist, so I have no idea what it feels like to have a religion. It never occurred to me that those spiritual experiences they claim that they have are actually just different interpretations of my own emotional experiences.
Every time I heard a Christian talk about their faith or their spiritual experiences, like "feeling the presence of God", I thought "I wonder what it feels like?". I never thought it was the same chemical process that I myself sometimes have in my brain. Like, I've just felt that feeling I call "epiphany" by reading your comment, and I've just realized that "epiphany" in my atheist sense and the feeling of "epiphany" in the religious sense are the same.
You know, you might have just provided the breakthrough to communicate the pointlessness of Christian bigotry. "If those sublime feelings can only be of divine origin, then how come that I, an atheist, feel them too?".
@@jinclay4354 Yeah! As a former Christian, I felt that "presence of God" feeling. It really is just a big rush of the feel-good chemicals.
The biggest "presence of God" feeling I ever got was being in extreme pain (2nd-degree sunburn) for hours on end, then finally getting medical attention for it. The medications kicked in while I was at the final worship session of the church camp I was attending. What I thought was God at that moment was actually relief and comfort.
I read that other former Christians who experienced this rush have had the same feeling while going to the concert of their favorite band, or so on.
I think it's threatening. They think "If this person was a true Christian then fell away, then I could fall away too." Which terrifies them, so they have to deny that you were a true Christian, so this frightening possibility goes away.
@@sourisvoleur4854 That's definitely what it is.
@@jinclay4354 Three options. 1: God for some reason provides such feelings as a gift, free of charge, in response to certain chemical changes so that there's no material benefit to belief. 2: God prefers to work within the system, if for no other reason than that it requires a more complicated system that's more fun to design, meaning those experiences are not "only of divine origin" except in the way that everything is of divine origin. 3: God doesn't exist.
What always gets me is the self-righteous question about how something terrible must have happened for me to lose my faith. I have never been traumatized. I have been educated. What did I learn in Sunday school. Biblical history is murderous.
Trauma is how they became religious, so it must be how you stopped being one, according to them
@@falquicao8331 I mean I started out religious because I was brought up in a religious family. Thankfully, they were good with me being an atheist.
Works opposite. They do something atrocious or something atrocious happens to them and they seek mercy
Imagine being absolutely devoted to an all-powerful omniscient god that loves you inconditionally and that same god allowing something truly atrocious to happen to you. Personally I like to fight back and challenge them with the Epicurean Paradox.
@@LordFokas Dude listen me out I am actually the devil 😈 send doller tru paybud or you'll risk hel in case I am right come on don't risk ur eternity
Awesome! Loved this.