@@jjphank Great, go to new york, get me an autograph of Spider-Man. We have thousands, millions of copies of books depicting the wall crawler, so by your logic he MUST BE REAL.
It plainly states in the Wholly Buybull that Abe was indeed a vampire hunter. See verse 69 in the Book of Tools. And remember...... "The church service ain't over 'til the snakes are are back in the box".
" not have actually been a vampire hunter" What historical evidence do you have that refutes the vampire hunter reality? Were there no Vampires in Lincoln's time?
@@sherry866 ~ The quote was "regarding" religion. ::facepalm:: ::sigh:: ::head-shake:signifying:derision:: You probably should have watched the video to the end to avoid making a fool of yourself.
I grew up mormon, and we were taught to pray about joseph smith and the book of mormon. If we had enough faith, then we were taught that god would answer our prayers (in the affirmative via good feelings.) And yet, millions of people have probably prayed about their own religions and received the the same types of good feelings. Even Marshall Applewhite told his followers to do the same thing.
shoutout to my fellow ex-Mormon! growing up that way really screwed with how i was able to determine the truth of anything. i had to learn how to apply basic skepticism and the scientific method and like, critical thinking at the age of 23 because for so long everything in my life was based solely on prayers and feelings - like i even prayed about the truthfulness of what i learned in my geology class!
So do you believe that Hercules was a real person? Or Zeus? Julius Ceasar and Washington we have a lot of mundane facts about, but we don't really have any non-mythic claims about the life and times of Jesus, Hercules, Zeus, etc. So why accept that any of them were ever real people?
@@seanoconnell1120 Hercules and Zeus are mythological, they didn't exist. Straight up. No evidence or anything. With Jesus and Julius Caesar, we have many proofs they were real people. Unbaised and biased alike.
@@isaacelliott9753 No, sorry......it is not a fact that he existed. There is NO HISTORICAL mention of jesus anywhere, save for the book. Go on and list to anybody who will listen to you, all the evidence of his having passed through earth. Before you even start looking, know that many of us have already looked far and wide. There were many religious freaks at the time, who knows who was who? Does it even matter? Start with the so-called census mentioned in the book, who was ceasar at the time? Who was the Governor of Judea? Was there even a historical census decreed by the ceasar in Rome at the time? No, there was not......now go on from wherever you want.
Augustus was emperor, Quirinius was legate governor. These are undisputed. And we know of several rebellion leaders in detail: Bar Kohba, Judas Maccabeus. Where are you getting these ideas dude?
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours". Stephen Henry Roberts
The reason you say you don't believe in God is cause you are like a spoiled little brat who doesn't wanna have to obey God or have to answer for all the crap you have done on earth. It takes more faith for you to believe in evolution than God creating the world. You know who God is, so there won't be an excuse when you stand before Him. I am glad I'm not you.
It really annoys me how you have polemicists of different religions applying strong critical historical standards to dunk on other religions, but then they don’t apply those same standards to their own texts or beliefs. It shows they aren’t actually interested in intellectual honesty or historical accuracy, they just want to put down other religions without doing the same to their own
As a 65 y.o. man, as a boy in the 60's, we all believed the end was near. During WWII, people in the U.S. sold their homes and went up into the mountains to wait for the rapture. During this 6+ decade journey, I've seen/known so many who believed "the end is near". Many of them were apparently right, as they are no longer with us. I see yesterdays babies grow out of diapers, have kids, and subscribe to the "end is near" school of belief. It is so interesting to see other people's kids grow to adulthood, and decide that they are ordained to teach "The Truth", and they collect a cult following, and, they all seem to think that all that is old... is new. I believe, in possibilities. I believe after someone spews out what they 'believe' is 'the truth', that they could be right. But, they could be wrong. You see, I believe in possibilities. I believe it's possible, that no one knows the truth, they only believe it is. So, it is possible, that everyone is wrong, even me. What a paradox. Just don't kill anyone that doesn't share your 'beliefs', and I believe it'll work out in the end.
Jesus came to me in person. We had lunch and broke bread, and then he gave me insight into what makes the earth whole. After lunch, he continued mowing my lawn.
know that Jesus, he was a refugee, he cross the waters, he spent more than 40 days in the desert... nobody knows what he did or where he lives in his 20's, he worked as a carpenter, a fisherman and many other odd jobs, he speaks languages and talk a lot about Maria.... 'till some agents capture him...
I had similar thoughts. All religions claim that all other religions worship false prophets or false idols. If that is true, then religion cancels itself out. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. And, according to science, logic, and historical fact, they are.
@@theovanstaden5766 What did Jesus do when innocents were getting tortured and blown up during the apartheid? The peaceful old man who built his humble abode into his beautiful home over 20 years who got told to move because the white township was expanding, he then hung himself because all he worked for got taken away where was Jesus? And according to the rules you follow this poor man would be consigned to hell for suicide which is apparently a sin. How about the man who got tortured by having his testicles squeezed like a stress ball and then punched so hard it leaked a liquid so gross and pungent just because he was against clear moral injustice of a system that dictates your life based on a fact you have no control over (skin colour of all things) where was Jesus then? If he is real and all powerful he is a scumbag for letting these terrible things happen.
I always heard that we knew more about Jesus than we ever knew about Julius Caesar. I guess I took this for granted until I actually started researching Roman history. There is an absolute wealth of details about Caesar's life and exploits. Hell, we even know what he looked like!
@luca bertani Even if he was nothing but a cynical roman lie concocted by Vespasian, Titus and their accomplices in the flavian court, like adopted son Josephus, right?
Pontius Pilate wrote a letter to Caesar about Jesus and shares some of his features in the letter. Besides Caesar was a political leader and was printed on coins! Do you know what your ancestors of over 2000 years looked like? Do you have any photos of your great great great great grandfather?
Just thought of something. Many fundamentalists reject radiometric dating but you know if they found some scripture and it dated to 20-40 ad or whatever they would be like SEE!!!!
@@jonathonrobinson6081 Early 14th century, matching the first appearance of the unique cloth weave which did not exist in the middle east, at all, anywhere. It matches the carbon dating as well. That face on that shroud is almost certainly Jaques de Molay, the Templar Grand Master executed in France, in 1314. That unique cloth weave is from 1300's France too.
@@buddypage58 Mate - was going so well till the rubbish about the Templars. Since Molay died in 1314 (and he been held under arrest in Paris from 1307) and the earliest we know the fake shroud existed was 1353 in the town of Lirey and as it was investigated at the time by the local Bishop who called it a fake based on talking to the artist who did it, the idea he painted someone dead for about 30 years isn't credible.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q You mean those Bishops from the Church that is still lying about it? Later on the Church decided they could use it. They acquired it from someone closely associated with the Knights Templar. Whether that was Geoffroi de Charny or another person had it prior is a good question. Nothing the Church says about any of this history can be trusted. Nothing...
"This was, after all, the holy grail of biblical scholarship." Not to be pedantic but... Wouldn't the holy grail be the holy grail of biblical scholarship?
Glad your looking, scientist said the earth was flat and people believed them, scientist said, and still do, it took millions of years for the Grand Canyon / Mt St Helen in one day changed everything, Come over from the dark side "The Genesis History"
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. Thomas Jefferson founding father, 3rd US President
The biggest fertilizer of slavery is ignorance In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references. Till 325 AD, not a single historian or writer wrote about Jesus Christ or any of his disciples . BEFORE THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD, NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EVER HEARD OF THE NAMES JESUS CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY. JESUS/ BIBLE / CHRISTIANTY WAS COOKED UP IN 325 AD, BY JEWESS HELENA , WHO SAT ON THE POPE'S CHAIR.. "Vatican is Evil terrorist satanic organisation." If Satan does exist, then he thrives inside the Roman Catholic Church. The dead sea scrolls covering the period from Birth of Jesus to 68 AD , does NOT say one word about Jesus or his 12 Apostles. Hellenistic philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20 BCE-50 AD/CE)-alive at the purported time of Jesus, and one of the wealthiest and best connected citizens of the Empire- makes no mention of Christ, Christians or Christianity in his voluminous writings. Nor do any of the hundreds of other historians and writers who flourished during the first THREE centuries of the common era. The DEAD SEA SCROLLS were all written by Pagan Essenes . None of them have been edited by later Christians, as is the case with some other Jewish literature. All the scrolls (except a treasure map known as the Copper Scroll) can be dated prior to A.D. 68 or 69, when the Qumran settlement was believed to have been destroyed by the Romans in the Jewish revolt. The oldest of the scrolls probably goes back to the middle of the third century B.C. The people of Qumran belonged to a Pagan religious group known as the Essenes. Pliny the Elder, who died during the volcanic destruction of Pompeii in the year 79 A.D., described a community of pagan Essenes living on the western shore of the Dead Sea, close to where Khirbet Qumran is situated. John the Baptist was an ascetic Essene . He was a vegan and was uncircumcised . Various literary sources like Josephus and Philo tell clearly that Essenes were ascetics. We also know, from literary testimony, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the archaeological remains of Qumran, that the Essenes practiced many water baptisms for ritual purification-similar to a dip in the Ganges or the river Pampa or at Thiirunelli. At Qumran, however, all members of the community were baptized with water for ritual purification. Josephus writes, "And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary; for before sunrising they speak not a word about profane matters, but put up certain prayers which they have received from their forefathers, as if they made a supplication for its rising" (Wars, 2.8.5). This testimony accords well with what we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Prayer and humility was one thing that the Essenes . When they cooked up stories about Jesus they wrote that Jesus Christ ate the Last Supper in the Essene part of town. Jesus is not historical character, The Dead Sea Scrolls have produced increasing evidence to cement the fact that Jesus Christ never existed and the whole story was cooked up at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD. The FAKE gospels were written after 325 AD after Jesus was cooked up at the first Council of Nicea.. Twelve apostles of Jesus never existed. Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament. The concept of using statistics to prove that 'God authored the Bible' is bullshit. Why was the library of Alexandria burnt ? The gospel of Thomas was not written by Jesus' disciple Thomas. Englishman Godfrey Higgins studied Greek, Latin and law at Cambridge . His two-volume, 867-page book Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origins of Languages, Nations, and Religions, was published posthumously in 1836. In his treatise, Higgins writes " the mythos of the Jews and the mythos of the Greeks are all at bottom the same lifted from the ancient mythos of Hindus ; and ... are contrivances under the appearance of histories to perpetuate doctrines," and that Christian editors “either from roguery or folly, corrupted them all.” 1900, Scottish MP John Mackinnon Robertson wrote that Jesus never existed but was an FAKE invention by a first-century messianic cult. He wrote about the First Council of Nicea of 325 AD where powerful forces invented a new god to fit the needs of the society of the time .Robertson specifically mentions the Talmudic story of the Yeshu . Thomas says: "Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114). AIYOOOOO -even Christians don’t like this When the master of James baby Jesus Christ never existed -- how can his disciple St James exist ? Even since the dead sea scrolls have been discovered CHRISTIANS and JEWS are jumping up and down like demented orangutans claiming that Essenes belong to them. Dead Sea text or Qumran Scrolls have absolutely nothing ZILCH, to do with the Bible of the Torah - never mind the diabolical lies of the Christians and the Jews. For arguments sake -even if messiah Jesus Christ existed , the gospels were written a even a century after Jesus' estimated year of death, by individuals who never met Jesus, and then were edited or forged over the centuries by unknown scribes with their own agendas. Dead sea scrolls have been written by Essenes of the sect of Apollonius
Let me just say this: on my first ever 'induction lecture' , my first ever lecture at The University of Glasgow, our first ever official lecturer gave, 90%, and with less impressive visuals (it was the 90s) pretty much this exact same monologue: and he finished with: 'I know some of you might have a problem with this, and you may disagree. But if you can do better? Please do. That's why we're here. " THAT is education.
In a few thousand years, when they finally find a fragment of paper from the 21st century, it will be the long awaited proof that Harry Potter really existed.
@@GeovanniCastro666 He might have, there were plenty of christ figures running around at the time and it's quite possible, perchance even probable, that he was one of them. Doesn't really matter though, does it?
But what about compared to other ancient historical figures? I think that’s a better comparison than Washington. What about someone like Alexander the Great?
@@kermitthorson9719 That's probably where we all came from! I wouldn't care about any of this stuff if it hadn't been shoved down my throat all my life!🤢 I was a preacher's kid so I got a SUPER heavy dose and a view from the inside. I knew all the gossip and all the politics. I even knew where the money went - trust me, not where they tried to make us believe it went. And, we were one of the major, respected religions. So, when any politician refers to their Christian Base I feel nauseous and disgusted. I know who a lot of those people are when they feel nobody's looking. Josh Duggar, anybody? They prayed over him and look how that turned out.🤔
@@JohnSmith-xd4zd I can't remember who it's accredited to. Russel or maybe Hume (or some unknown dude, bored in a toilet stall with a Sharpie on hand). The sentiment has been passed around since antiquity and the origin makes no difference; it true and that's the important part.
@@Velvetx4cove Wow, that's fucking weird, to say the least. Though, it's important to stress that not all Europeans would have taken part in such unreasonable and superstitious practices.
Except when writings about Jesus are unearthed he was already extremely popular and wide spread. Koresh is another nut case that’s labeled as such. Also his teachings were contradictory to the beliefs he claimed.
@@JustHuman87 *he was already extremely popular and wide spread* and was expected to be resurrected and thus, here were believers investing in a man who claimed to be the resurrected messiah. Appeared to be a quite common and popular idea with many small cults springing up across the world with men claiming to be the resurrected Christ.
@@JustHuman87 *Also his teachings were contradictory to the beliefs he claimed* Like Jesus saying BOTH that his commandments overruled the 10 commandments and that the 10 commandments would outlast the planet? Sounds contradictory to the beliefs Jesus claimed...
I’m an ordained minister. I thoroughly appreciate your honesty and clarity presenting this material. I thank you for your hard work in presenting clear and concise facts. This is cognitively stimulating and I’ll definitely continue to follow your channel.
Why don't you already know this? I'm not a ordained alleged minister and I've read about this in detail for decades. It's been my whole life. Do you not even care about the truth? What else is wrong with you? Truly pathetic.
@@zapkvr I believe you may have misread what I have typed. Nowhere did I say I did not know this information. I am simply stating my thanks That emotionalism is being challenged by way of actual facts. That’s all. I for one, enjoy these videos because it constantly challenges my imbedded or ingrained theology, and actually forces me to think about what I’m studying/researching/preaching. Take care!
@@zapkvr I have to say this comment is neither helpful or accurate. As Jukabiea replies at no point did he give any points of belief or knowledge regarding HK's video, just that he appreciated the approach and the professionalism. You need to be really careful what you read into others comments, you've effectively strawmanned Jukabiea's post beyond anything I've seen any apologist do.
@@zapkvr no need for the insults there buddy, the guy never said he didn't know it already only that he appreciated the video, stop being a cockhead online
I live in Canada and sometimes attend an LDS church I wasn’t raised Christian/Mormon but I do believe it’s a good community and less problems exist among them than in the secular ones (ie, teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, violence)
Luke Skywalker, Luke comes from Lucas. The name means light, or light source or bringer of light, bright, white, light-giving. Skywalker is a descriptive term for the Sun. The Sun is also a symbol for Jesus Christ. The whole Star Wars story is about good vs, evil and the Force that that assists in such endeavors.
They could find a perfectly preserved parchment from 80 AD and it would still wouldn't prove their god is real. If ten thousand years from now, there's "scripture" written that a man with spider like powers helped mankind back in the 20th century, but the earliest scripture they could find was from 2230 AD, in bad condition, but then suddenly found a mint condition copy of the first edition Marvel's Spiderman from the mid 20'th century - it would still not prove a man with spider powers was real.
In this age of "alternative facts" and gaslighting, thank you for encouraging clarity and critical thinking. Hopefully you'll continue to cut through the fog that is today's social climate.
@@letsomethingshine Hercules didn't exist, he was part of a myth. With Romulus, we have no clue if he did or didn't exist. Same with his brother, Remus. Who knows, Hercules might've existed, but not the way we see him as. But tbh, most people don't believe he existed.
Qq Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 th-cam.com/video/U7Eh3hkF_YU/w-d-xo.html
when it comes to religion, it's a tricky subject. There are hard-core devotees of all religious faiths, my experience is that no amount of logical argument will sway them. This video may not change the beliefs of many folks, but those who are simply seeking truth can find value in it.
@@peterbrowne7101 hi yeah but think of the billions ever on earth who didnt even make it to 10 years old rest way for us is cream and what about good memories bye
The missing page said "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental."
Imagine if the wealthy owning-class Publishers and their CEO Editors went back to those times when they DID NOT force their writers and scribes to include those disclaimers!
“The Dharma” which one? Jainism? Sikhism? Hinduism?(i kno u sed Buddha, I’m simply pointing out the use of “The”) There is no single “Dharma”. And even Buddhism has so many different varietals and sects, there are stil many Buddhists who Deify Siddhartha. Seeking truth is good, but words still mean stuff! Buddhists can’t even agree on what the true teachings are. Some say with age he gained wisdom, and by rejecting the notion of Godhood, he finally achieved Nirvana. Others who say, he lost his way, and others still who deny the notion he ever made such a declaration. I get that the aesthetics are a vibeyer vibe than stuffy western religions. But it’s still just that, a religion. And to say otherwise is to deny reality. That one can, through mediation or “being holy enough” achieve “Nirvana” I’m sorry Homie, THAT is Dogma. Seeking Truth however, I’m not mad at it, just keep seeking, and stay skeptical of grandiose claims. Be Blessed✌🏽
@@MisterBadman Buddha dharma. The 4 noble truths and the noble 8 fold path. All Buddhists aspire to follow them. I'm not aware of any dispute about this 🙂
Thank you so much for this. I'm a former Bible College graduate who was originally planning to be a pastor. Ironically, my final theology exam started me on the road to better critical thinking which eventually led me to notice I wasn't on the Christian train aymore. I greatly appreciate the systematic and calm method in which you pesented the facts, as opposed to so many well-meaning but ultimately detrimental presentations that try to grab a hold of your emotions as if something as important as core beliefs were only something to be manipulated as a form of marketing. Its taken me many years to gather up the evidence that you present so well here.
All bible prophecy has been proven 100% true. May God's mercy reveal to you the truth. Don't reject God's word. God is coming soon. Remember, after death we have an eternity to live. Choose wisely.
Well done Daniel. It's a wrench, cutting off the bindings applied over years of indoctrination. For many people, they LIKE being deceived. That's how effective indoctrination is. It shapes not only what you believe, but what you WANT to believe. Hard to kick against that.
@@kevinmcalpine4521 Looking back on it years later, I shudder at some of the behaviours that I was eventually engulfed by being in an all-Christian environment all the time. Good thing I've always been a curious reader and never quite satisfied with pat answers. The reactions of those around me when I left that environment and started seriously questioning what I'd been taught and demanding firsthand proof instead of secondhand hearsay opened my eyes even more.
Me, too. I was on that same path. Being the son of an evangelical pastor made it difficult for me to leave, but I did. And then it took me 30 years to sort everything out - but I did.
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The TRUE Savior YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic Scroll: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Randomly capitalising words makes you look a little 'out there'. Trying to claim that any of what you typed means anything just confirms that you are.
@@Praise___YaH Absolutely nothing you wrote is evidence for anything...let alone proof. You’re seriously using the Bible to try to prove the Bible? Look up Circular Reasoning and why it’s a logical fallacy.
No way could they have lied for so long with a text, except all those other religions. No way would they die for their beliefs and politics, except for all those other religions and political entities that do.
Got another one for you: how come copies of the Bible have made it and still exist after centuries of people trying to banish it out of existence? I think we all know the answer to this one. Edit: Since there is misunderstanding about this comment, I want to clarify: I am not making this argument. This is one of the weak apologies I was given by a Jehovah's Witness when I made the mistake of answering the door to them. I naïvely believed explaining I was an ex-christian atheist would nip the proselytizing in the bud then and there. (Incidentally, this conversation was how I discovered TellTale. I had no idea what JWs believed and I wanted to be prepared if/when they returned, so I started searching online after they left.) I thought the phrases "got another one for you" and "we all know the answer to this one." indicated I was adding to the OP with more daft apologist logic. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough.
@@spanglelime Who was "trying to banish it out of existence"? There wasn't even a bible until the 4th century, and no agreement on canon until the 5th, and by that time christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire. So, who was doing this banishing, and how were they going to make it disappear?
@@commonsense5494 I don't even know! I was informed about this by a JW who'd doorstepped me. I made the mistake of opening the door (we were still fairly new in the neighborhood bc we'd just moved, so people were constantly coming by), and then I made the second mistake of telling them I'm an ex-christian atheist. They were lovely women, and I really liked them. They were the reason I started searching for what JWs really believe and went down a rabbit hole on TH-cam. I am sure there are ex-JWs who might be able to elaborate on that argument. Maybe she meant the muslims, or, um... the nazis? The Soviets? I never even thought about this properly haha!
@@DoctorZisIN exactly. All of those were written as mythology. The Bible is clearly written as a historical account whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant to that fact
@@ZayneEnterprizes Nope, I disagree. The gospels read like novels. Who was narrating the story of the temptations of Jesus? Satan was the only only one there. Who was narrating Jesus' prayer in Ghetsemane? All the apostles were sleep. Who narrated the interrogations of Jesus before his crucifixion? His adventures in the underworld before resurrecting? Not an ounce of history there, just tales of the imagination.
@@DoctorZisIN are you saying you think the gospels were written with the intention of being a fictional novel and not a depiction of real events whether or not you believe in them?
One day we will be thankful that child was the best president ever. So let’s drink to them now. Edit: I assumed the child and alien president would be male, so I changed it to a non assuming pronoun
I really appreciate your work. Especially that you don't insult or talk down to your audience. Too many other channels are demeaning, making fun of Christians. Your healthy and knowledgeable skepticism is a breath of fresh air!
I don't think other channels mean to be disrespectful but it gets incredibly tiring hearing the constant defense undefensible ideas and stories that simply are not true...everyone can get frustrated...
Dark ages be like ... "Let's consolidate every piece of writing so we can have control of who can read, change it how we want it, then burn a bunch." - FTFY - Now it's a meme!
That's every age of history. I've seen news articles change what they wrote without leaving an editors note at the bottom. I know that only because I read the article and when I went back to cite it, the wording changed. Also, how is that not Twitter or Facebook or social media today in general? People wrote stuff forever ago on twitter and thousands of people went back through their timeline and deleted their tweets and pretended it never existed. That's a modern book burning session if you think about it. JK rolling went back into her books and said characters were gay now, just because she said so. Disney changed Star Wars by saying all of the fandom created around it didn't matter but only the movies and whatever they produced mattered. Disney changed what they didn't like to fit what they wanted into the Star Wars universe. And unfortunately this will just keep happening, because people's narratives matter more to them than the truth and more than history.
@@dallascopp4798 it's all a little more complex than you say. Except the rare case of a ridditor mod deleting posts from the server, everything on these websites remains forever on a server somewhere. The only thing different is that the common observer can't see the "deleted tweets" or whatever. Everything is saved on a server somewhere, including earlier versions of whatever news article you're referencing. It's different now because material is largely saved forvever. Even the small comments weaker here on TH-cam will likely last somewhere, mirrored accross several dozen Servers around the world. The same is true for all content on all major sites.
When I was a young Mormon, Steve Young told a story about his time playing pro football. A teammate saw his garments (Mormonism's sacred underwear) & teasingly asked where he could get some. Young claims he responded that they were too expensive for his teammate to afford. About a decade later, I'm in church & somebody tells that same story. Except it's not about Steve Young. The guy is claiming it happened to him. Except he was in the Marines at the time to make it fit with his personal history. All other details were very similar, right down to the part about garments being too expensive for others to own. So, yeah. I don't put much stock in an organization founded on a tradition of oral story-telling handed down through generations.
Great video. I am an ex-pastor. I got a BS in Religion and Masters in Theological Studies from seminary. Seminary was the catalyst in my de-converting due to several reasons. One of those reasons happens to be the lack of original texts. The mental gymnastics that Christians conduct to explain the lack of original texts stuck out to me in seminary. The P52 text of John is dated to the late 2nd century and it is only 3.5 x 2.5 inches. And P52 is available to view online in many locations, unlike the one you mentioned supposedly in the Greene collection. Thank you again for your video and all the work you have done for years.
Thank you for the info. I grew up in church but I can't call myself an ex-Christian as I never believed. It all seemed like any other mythology, so who's right? No one could answer that, except the whole blind faith thing. That wasn't good enough for me. That was my stance as a child, (weird, I know. I guess I was a weird kid, lol!) It all seemed BS, and god wasn't this loving god they preached. Take hell, that's not a loving god! Why should I follow and worship this psychopath and no one could answer satisfactory. Too many contradictions, too many holes in those stories. Needless to say, I faked being a Christian to get anyone off my back. Prayer time, sermons, there was plenty of time for daydreaming. Maybe that's why I'm good at daydreaming, lol!
I'm glad that somebody who was so deep into religion like you, left because you used your brain. That somehow gives me a bit of hope, mankind is not lost.
Bachelor of Science in Religion sounds rather suspicious... Is there a Bachelor of Science in Literature? Or a Bachelor of Science in Philosophy? Or Bachelor of Science in Politics... Oh wait, nvm. sigh. I guess bachelor of science just requires a large and/or powerful group of people to accept the label.
I got kicked out of church school to wait outside often for asking genuine questions on clear contradictions and many things not making sense. New sub!❤
When I was about 6 years old, which was 61 years ago, I was in Sunday school one morning when the teacher told us kids that scientists didn't know what light was. That pretty much sealed the deal that these people had no idea what they were talking about.
Yes, exactly. Therefore light is just a name for something that is seen or proved. It’s too real, so most sciences today are “accepted descriptions of a name of a thing.”
Quran: And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen. I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.❤ John 5.30 I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and e my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true. I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. John 17.3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. you, the only true God, you, the only true God, you, the only true God, Matthew 26,36 he said to his disciples, “Sit here, while I go over there and pray.” pray Pray Pray??? Matthew 26,39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let s this cup pass from me; t nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” he fell on his face and prayed. he fell on his face and prayed. he fell on his face and prayed. He prayed to the only true God. If you really love Jesus do like him . 😊❤️🫂
@@Kalletheswede I'm sure you can find christian websites that will tell you whatever you want to believe. I usually don't follow links sent to me in the comment section. Personally, I think the bible is a collection of absurd fairytales (many of which have been debunked past the point of exhaustion). But either way, you're sincerely wasting your time preaching to me.
@@isaibustillos7293 OK. Go ahead and worship some ridiculous religion that believes in talking snakes, Noah's magic ark, a guy living inside a big fish for 3 days, or that the earth is a 6,000 year old flat disk. But please don't try to sound intelligent. It doesn't suit you. 😂
In Matthew 5:44, Jesus says, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." This can be tough, but praying for those who offend us can help us let go of negative feelings and replace them with love and understanding
Not sure if its available in English or a digital copy you translate, but i also suggest "Karlheinz Deschner - Der gefälschte Glaube/the faked faith" thanks for your suggestion tho
I don't understand how finding an older version of part of the bible proves anything. If I found an earlier manuscript of a work of fiction, it wouldn't make any less fiction, would it?
The atheist case is that there was a man “Jesus” however the stores about him were increasingly embellished over time. An earlier manuscript would be a point to discredit that over time “the story” was embellished. In a world where history is not absolute we really on evidence to give us a best case. That’s why an earlier manuscript “strengthens” the Christian position and weakens the atheist one.
@@paulpierce2051 Yes, I suppose that does make some sense, thanks. It's all rather 'clutching at straws' though, given the complete lack of any actual evidence.
@@paulpierce2051 Well, to be fair, I think an earlier manuscript attesting to an extraordinary fact about Jesus would strengthen the Christian position; say a witness account of a miracle. An earlier manuscript "in the Tacitus (or uninterpolated Josephus) style", or even something that could be identified with Q (the supposed 'common source' to Matthew and Luke), but only attesting to the 'existence' and 'teaching' parts of Jesus's story would actually strengthen a contrary position (not necessarily atheist - plenty of religious people who claim Jesus was only a man).
And by the logic of "mundane is likely because it is mundane" Hercules was a real person and so was Osiris, since they were claimed to be real by many followers who felt assured.
@@letsomethingshine A lot of Greek myths are probably, and in some cases like with the Dorian invasion, definitely 'based' on real history. Who knows, there could have been some king Herakles, just like the line of Tantalus could have been real kings. It is hard to tell how much is based on truth, mixed, and outright made up, like with the Kings of Rome and the stories surrounding them. With oral traditions, especially those about kings before the area of decent documentation, there probably is a seed of truth in there, but it is surronded by made-up stuff.
Gotta love stories being retold and changed. For instance, it was "Flavor-Aid" not Kool-Aid at Jonestown. 🎉 This channel's name is perfect in its imperfection. Another great video, thank you.
@@mitseraffej5812 - famous BRITISH actor Benedict Cumberbatch has an embarrassing skeleton in the closet. His ancestors were slavers. Many black folks in the West Indies today have the surname of Cumberbatch.
Mine too their motto is if you can't blame my invisible friend blame my invisible enemy My mum and aunts thinks the devil planted dinasour bones and fossils
I've long said that Jebus was not a very nice person if you really look at the things they said he were saying in the gospels nevermind The Book of Revelation. Him talkin about dividing families and you basically had to drop everything you were doing in life to follow him, one of the hallmarks of a cult leader because it's all about them, him cursing Samaritan Villages for not accepting his apocalyptic BS. And how he said those who do not believe in me bring them to me so he could homicide them himself. So no if he even existed he was not a very nice person and he was no more than a first-century Galilean cult leader. They came a dime-a-dozen. After all you had Apollonius of Tyana, Simon Magus, Honi the Circle Maker etc etc.
Even the whole "turn the other cheek" wasn't peaceful. In Roman times, that was a crime IF you're slapped twice. So no, it wasn't for peace, it was for the person to be "charged" for a crime, not much different when a person waits to be hit first so they can claim self defense when they hit back. I grew up in church and hated every second. There's this god, a psychopath, and I have to worship him? Hell no (no pun intended, lol!) I faked being a Christian to get everyone off my back.
Well, actually everyone else made it about him, Jesus in the bible appears to be all about others. I would assume the actual reality of the situation with the life of the person or people which the biblical Jesus was inspired by had similar intentions minus the supernatural abilities.
This is the first of your videos that I've watched and as someone raised in a fundamentalist Church of Christ, but have since dismissed all of those beliefs, this video is great and made me an instant subscriber. Great work!
I was also raised and left CC. My parents think I'm going to hell now 😂 funny thing is, we live in a small town with around 10 CC's. If I chose to go to one that they didn't go to, they would still believe that I'm going to hell. 😂
The only thing I loved about CoCs was singing hymns in church. But of course I could never be a damn song leader because me being a woman and all foh 😂 and they wonder were all the youth went
Well reasoned, presented, and researched. I appreciate the tone and delivery of this especially. If you want to bring this kind of topic up with people who have incorporated their faith into their personal identity, it must be done this way. Any aggression or derision in your tone or word choice just raises hackles and shuts them down. Excellent work.
E Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 th-cam.com/video/U7Eh3hkF_YU/w-d-xo.html
I agree I can't even speak to humans without having the cops called sooo.... Yes tone matters to the utmost.... THis Kool aid guy is smart and was made for this!
Hey, there are supposed to be 6 Replies here, but I see only 2. Where’s the evidence for the other four? I agree with you that this presentation is excellent. However, I WISH I could find a comment from someone whose mind was changed as a result. I’m gonna keep looking, but will probably never find my way back to this location. (Now…. when you consider how easy it is to lose the thread of TH-cam comments, extrapolate yourself back to the days when telling Jesus narratives was done exclusively via word of mouth.) Anyway, my impression is that most of the comments are from people already skeptical about the topic. In most cases, if you challenge someone’s narrative, you’ve declared yourself to be the enemy, at which point there are no more rules of engagement. Anything goes.
Ex seminarian here. Studied from 1964-1969. We were discussing this even back then. It's where all the "faith" was supposed to take over. I guess I just didn't have enough to sustain me.
True faith would have sustained you in ANY religion. It is TRUE SKEPTICISM that is the only thing that is capable of sustaining you in the the truth by removing you from the falsehoods (but lies can be useful tools, religious hypocrites know this all too well).
The cost of Faith is switching-off your brain's inherent capacity to discern when you are just being conned. In one sense, Faith is very cheap - you just decide to simply stop thinking ... but that decision can cost you very dearly in the long run. People have brains so that we don't need to rely on Faith.
Your channel is so sorely needed in our society today. Too many have been lead in the wrong direction by this fictional tale in derogatory of the worship of The Allfather. Thank you for retrieving those who are lost in the wilderness.
Great video. As an atheist in the United States I’ve been frustrated with how prevalent this stuff still is. It makes me think, if an apocalyptic event occurs, when people find Harry Potter books, 3 generations later people would take that pretty serious- with people claiming where Hogwarts really is.
Huh. I've been studying UFO literature lately, for a research project. And I've been struck by how similar UFO belief in America is to a religion. With the Roswell Crash as its Crucifixion-like inciting incident, that crashed saucer its Holy Grail for which people search, and the hoped for Disclosure as its Rapture, when everything is rewritten and a new world is born. Most of the actual experiencers of the event are dead now. We have to rely on the stories of those who knew them. And they, too, will soon be gone. Believers will just have to take it on faith that "something crashed in the desert near Roswell in 1947 that changed everything."
@@kirstencorby8465 Except, aliens are more likely to be real. Plus we have tons of documents, photos, and videos pertaining to UFOs. Where as the bible is a compilation of stories from thousands of years ago that people take too literally.
@@JakeSommer Those are like the relics of the saints that get miraculously preserved. Yes, they are there and there is something tangible but the believers think that a body got mummified because of divine intervention and not a concurrence of natural factors exactly like people that see a blurry picture of a flying object see aliens even if it's easily debunkable.
but chef dont be so sure of anything . quantum scientist alreadyproven you wrong who created many worlds theory everthing is computercode nothings real youcould say ok simulation proven real but we think were in first world reality einstein said were in smooth but later been proven were actualluy in pixulated
You’re preaching to the choir with me bec I was raised with all of this skepticism- you overcame a lifetime of dedication to get here. I love this. I can’t imagine the pain that came with leaving your prior life.
Yup and they are still so easily offended, and call you out for showing the least bit of frustration with their inability to separate fact from faith and what is lost because of this
the difference between the biographies of jesus and the writing of the names of historical kings, is that the gospels are in fact the creation of a mythological figure. there are numerous stories of greek and egyptian deities that existed for thousands of years prior to christianity and islam, and masses believed those stories to be true.
14:22 "What was their bias?" It's my understanding that the earliest surviving copy of Josephus was made by a scribe/monk in an Irish monastery, several centuries after Josephus lived. The scribe would have been writing in the context of an entirely Christian society and political structure, which was not the case for Josephus. Given the centuries that passed and the radical change in society/politics, how reliable can we consider the work of that scribe? If we have other *independent* copies of around the same period, but written in circumstances where the same motivations would not have been present, that would help. But we don't.
It's a hypothetical. Say I'm trying to figure out if Joe Schmoe was real. I find 15 people who "knew" him. Before engaging with each of the 15, it helps to know motives. Maybe 8/15 have something to gain by Joe being a real person, ergo, they would more than likely be influenced by a personal bias. You took a very broad idea and centralized and focused the application on the overall topic. In other words, he's saying to 'know' the source. Would A be biased? Maybe 3/15 are alcoholics and known liars. Well, by process of elimination-- Joe's Witnesses: 8/15 are Bias. 3/15 are not Credibile Sources. Meaning you *had* 15 witnesses, but only four are viable to actually listen to.
@@lassehoffmann625 Yeah, certainly, but to present as evidence to someone else to assert your position, *by default* the one hearing the argument can by those grounds 'ignore' them outright and equally there's nothing wrong with that.
This is a very interesting video, and if my parents ask me again why I am choosing not to be catholic, I'll probably show them this. Thank you for making it easier to explain things in a simple video form. Keep up the great work! :)
And the absence of info on Jesus is just the tip! The religion itself is screwed up. Married popes, touchy priests, abused natives, torture/death sentences, wars, the list goes on...
The name Jesus (or Yeshua) was very common in ancient Israel. I think it's perfectly possible that the biographies of several people called Jesus (like the prophet Jesus Ben Ananias who was tortured by the Romans) got mixed up. This may have happened accidentally. It was virtually impossible to check information when the gospels were written (it was an age without the internet or mass media after all), so the writers of the gospels may simply have been confused.
God said in Quran about Jesus (peace be upon him): " And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]. That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]." (Quran 3:42-43) " [And mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God ]. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.(Quran 03:45-49) "[Mention] when God said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."(Quran 3:55 )
@@aymen577the Quran is a plagiarized version of Christianity which itself contains a lot of plagiarized stories from past religions. Quoting any of these books is like citing from a Disney book to prove its contents true. It can’t be done. They are all man made and man edited to control people usually women more than anyone.
Like the stories of Robin Hood deriving from the acts of several different men across England with similar acts of rebellion against the king and/or his royal subordinates.
Hmm, I have been reading Richard Carrier’s book on the historical Jesus, and I have to admit that even his existence is in doubt. This shocked me a little. What shocked me even more was Bart Erhman dismissing him out of hand. Erhman’s reasons for this dismissal contained uncritical assertions that Erhman, himself, has levelled at Christian scholars. Habermas is worse than even Erhman. Carrier, however, seems to be scrupulously detached about assessing the evidence. I am now of the opinion that Jesus’ very existence is questionable. Who would have thought?
You speaking for this Jewish imaginary been in your head and supertious claims that never happened evil genocidal racist maniac from the zionist bible. Imaginary been never ever speak for itself but only in people heads always in the heads. Extraordinary claims for your imaginary been who never existed need Extraordinary evidence.
Thanks for your," due diligence", on a subject, I find perplexing, in the 21st century. Your thoughtful analysis , and breakdown of the facts are refre, and refreshing, and on the mark ! Good job !!
Belief in George Washington doesn't hold the (probably empty) promise of eternal life, therefore Christians will accept biblical claims of Jesus' existence and divinity with the flimsiest of evidence.
No. The belief in George Washington doesn't get me to believe all of the stories about him, and I certainly won't use the existence of a cherry pie to prove George Washington existed.
@@rudra62 But why would you anyway? George had 2 human parents, he wasn't his own father and he never promised everlasting life for the American people. So who cares if he ever existed, LOL! But if someone DOES fulfill those criteria you better believe no matter what because otherwise what hope do you have to go on living after you die? :-)
@@destronia123 I have subjective evidence and reports that cherry pies are heavenly. :) I am certain that cherries exist. Even the cherry tree that George Washington allegedly chopped down had two (cherry) parents. Same as the fig tree that Jesus allegedly cursed for not bearing fruit out of season. Parthenogenesis is theoretically possible, never observed in humans, where someone could have one parent - but that person would be female. Does not apply to any story about either Jesus or George. ....Although some children born now in some ways have more than 2 human parents. E.g., One woman has her eggs harvested, some are fertilized through sperm - husband's or donor's - implanted by a human doctor in a different woman, who is legally the child of the woman-who-bore them's husband. Or, there are more complicated methods of gene editing where an egg can be made by 2 or 3 women - none of whom may be the one who becomes pregnant. Yeah, off topic.
13:50 "unless there's some strong reason to doubt it" ... you mean, like, if the story about this king said that he was born of a virgin, rose from the dead, performed miracles, fathered himself, and was both god and the son of god? That kind of strong reason?
@@Ramon51650 well I'd have to write an essay as a full response to an 18 minute video would take forever to type out. Here is one example. He talked a bit about the manuscript history and its supposed unreliability. He says that are earliest manuscripts come decades later. And I agree but that isn't shocking considering most manuscripts of ancient texts come centuries later. Tacitus wrote in the first century but our earliest manuscript of his comes from the 9th century. And similar responses on all manuscript material. Things that may seem really damning for the Bible on the surface actually promote its reliability. As I pointed out with Tacitus, our first manuscripts of most ancient sources are much, much, much later. These manuscripts also commonly come in just fragments. The earliest complete New Testament comes 300 years after the original composition. That may seem really bad, until you realize that it is better than any other writing in history. Essentially if these facts force us to throw out the Bible then we throw out almost all ancient history. There is more to speak on and if you want a response to a specific section I will attempt to give it to you.
@@anunknownentity1637 So your thinking is that regardless how far removed a document (manuscript) is removed from the occurrence, it is still better than no manuscript at all, regardless of transcription and possible translation (ex:Aramaic to Greek)?
@@Ramon51650 well of course something is better than nothing. That much is obvious. My point was that on the basis of manuscript evidence the New Testament is earlier and more attested than any other work of ancient history.
just a call out for doing a great job and for helping me learn the true nature of Christianity and how I can no longer take it at face value. I am proud of being skeptical and can now see the fallacy of a believe in the god of Abraham. I am now on the side of Freedom from religion because pf people like you....keep up the good work.
This was really well presented and I think the first time I have ever heard all of these things put together in such a clear and concise manner. Well done sir!
Ññ Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago. "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46 th-cam.com/video/U7Eh3hkF_YU/w-d-xo.html
The guy in this video IS jesus, testing our faith. Look at those cheekbones!! What an honour, if you read my comment Jesus, this video is just what I needed right now. My sister is in a terrible place with her addiction issues. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. What an honour to find you here on TH-cam. My heart is warm tonight. Subscribed.
@@friendlyneighborhoodgaymanI’m being completely honest with you here dude, like actually serious: if you can’t tell that that person is joking, then you’re fucking stupid. Please learn what a joke is. God damn bro, it’s like people have never encountered internet culture or sarcasm. It’s crazy.
It is interesting how differently we can view things. I see the video as uttermost simplified, picking one or two things, generalizing them, simplifying things... for example he claims we KNOW eyewitness testimony is TERRIBLE... ok let me stop there! TERRIBLE was a word he chose to make make it look like the argument he makes is true. But what if we changed it to "Eyewitness testimony is not perfect". If it was TERRIBLE, the police would not use it in investigations... because it is TERRIBLE. Now, if we follow him, it would mean that OTHER eyewitness testimonies in history were ALSO terrible... what all things in our "known" history would change if we looked at any old text through those lenses? So while no historian claim the info is perfect, I know of NONE who claim that it is terrible. This is neither CLEAR or LOGICAL.
You make a very valid point Pjotrll! As a practicing convicted Catholic, I believe that the Gospels and Epistles are historically accurate and reliable, and I believe in everything they teach but I appreciated the respect of his disagreement! It stayed focused on his arguments and wasn't an ad hominem or other fallacies, he stayed consistent in his arguments even though I disagree with his conclusions.
@@johnathanblauw2608 Thank you for your reply. I believe that the gospels are genuine human stories, collected, to tell what they experienced. They may include some misunderstanding, memory errors (as with the events after Jesus death - like how many angels, who went to the grave) but those are common witness errors out of our limited memory. My own experience of this video is still negative. And I want to be clear... I am not against critical analysis of religion, the bible etc... on the contrary - but my demand is that it stays scientific or if philosophical, then fair and objective. The problem with social media is that anyone can claim anything. Let me add one more thing from the video. It starts by a fragment found in some mummy mask in 2011. As a Christian following science, archaeology, theology relating to it on a monthly (weekly) basis, I HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS "MUMMY FRAGMENT". If this was a real issue, debate, find, archaeological top discovery... I would have stumbled upon it. I never had... this video was the first time EVER I heard about it. All other kinds of discoveries have popped up, not this one. OK, one known Daniel Wallace (mentions it) and Scott Carroll. "The hype was so high" ... like I said, i have never even heard about it! Here is a plausible explanation (from textandcanon.org). Egypt Exploration Society (EES) had UNPUBLISHED text fragments. Someone working for them had offered to SELL some fragments to GREEN family (mentioned in the video). But EES is NOT allowed to sell UNPUBLISHED fragments. 120 text pieces are missing from EES, and police investigation ongoing. Someone wanted to make money on them, working for EES. Dr Dirk Obbink (a super expert) had in fact dated the papyri to 1st century AD at some point... this news spread to SOME scholars. Later the papyri was dated to a later date. Carroll who was working for GREEN did not have/get access to the papyri as it was owned by EES. "Christians now had the best proof ever" Again the video is suggesting that this was SOOOO important and SOOO many scholars were SOOOO excited. This was one small mistake, a hasty conclusion based upon a REAL super specialists hasty dating of a papyri. This was not a cornerstone in the Christian faith. As I said, I had never even heard about it. I see this as a strawman! An attempt to use one intentionally misrepresented position to try to defeat arguments for Christianity. 4 min 30 seconds is used for this strawman. Next he makes an unjust comparison between evidence for George Washington who lived in the 18th century and became a president, to a peasant living 2000 years ago. If we compared evidence for Jesus to OTHER people of the similar time and status, they will have LESS evidence... and that is why the apologists say we have a LOT (which is true for that category). and more follows....
The book of Mark was the first gospel written and it’s interesting for what not in “Mark’s” story. No immaculate conception, no nativity, no wise men. Mark starts with an adult Jesus being baptized by John. Then after John’s execution Jesus becomes the leader of John’s followers. That’s pretty believable. I can buy what Mark is selling up to that point. Jesus is a regular guy who was conceived the regular way who became a follower of John. But I can see why later gospel writers felt they had to Jesus’s Origin story more godlike.
Also it’s very interesting that in Mark, Yeshua’s dying words are “My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?” Those aren’t the words of a man who is confident that god is on their side. Those are words of regret and fear, and anger. In Luke his dying words are “Father into your hands I commit my spirit”. Those are the words of a man who trust god, and knows everything will work out for the best. John, Yeshua’s dying words are, “It is finished”, those are the words of a man who sees his death as a sacrifice that serves a greater purpose. I am more than willing to bet that the historical Yeshua’s dying words were closest to Mark and Mathew’s account.
@@wherezthebeef Thanks for clearing it up to people reading our correspondence. I watch Dale Martin's New Testament Yale courses here on TH-cam, and follow Bart Ehrman as well. Tell me what you think of my theory. I believe Yeshua was an Essene, born and raised in Nazareth. He began to follow John the Baptist, after John's execution he inherited his followers, he probably was a charlatan that performed simple parlor tricks, and was most likely aware of the messianic prophecies and tried his best to conform to them (riding a donkey, claiming he was a descendant of David). I believe that after he was crucified his brother James took over the movement, and eventually Paul hijacked the movement and may have been in cahoots with the Claudian Dynasty or Flavian Dynasty.
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@@walmartpimp2 and who exactly was there to write down those words?
I’m a life long atheist, 64 years and counting. I’ve watched a lot of these kinds of videos and of course the Four Horsemen and other noted atheists as well as read all their books and have read the Bible several times. I stumbled across a link and have watched several of your videos. You’re very good, I love the history (actually all history) and the talking points. Gotta keep my mind sharp. I officially turned you over to all my atheist family members and atheist friends and all my atheist web sites and discussion apps (like Quora) with a big thumbs up 👍. I especially like that you promote education before all else. I told my grandkids in their early teens that it was best to get some education before you start calling yourself anything. Especially an atheist. That’s like wearing a tag that says “I’m an atheist, debate me, debate me”. Once you put a label on it, you’ll be called on to defend you’re position and nothing is more embarrassing than not having a clue but you don’t realize it until you’re in a debate and made a fool of. I like your perspective as a former Christian. Maybe you, better than a lifelong atheist like myself, can get across to some Christian’s that we’re really not out to “get them”. We just want to protect our rights too. Thanks for your work. It’s worthy.
@@morrisconnor8305 Why? Not being awkward but honestly why? If your god ( you chose the right god I am presuming) he has a plan. If he has a plan then it does not matter what you or I or anyone asks for his plan is perfect and infallible and he will not be changing it for you or anyone.. No, praying is an act of desperation, want, need and desire. born out of fear of being sent to the wrong place. So you are living a life of blackmail and coercion begging your capricious mass murdering, sexist,jealous slave promoting god for something and worshipping this evil entity and forgiving him for all the evil terrible things the bible claims he has done to his children. Any parent /guardian doing 1 millionth of these things would be sent to prison and quite right too. There are only 144,000 places in heaven and only for the chosen people ( 12 tribes of Abraham) Jesus came not to change the laws but to uphold them so you cant say that is the old testament and it is no longer valid.... You see most of us atheists have read the bible properly and that is why we are Atheists. So. I ask again... why pray?
You are doing the good work! The kids gotta hear the truth, when I was younger I was told that the bible was a rock solid document with historical foundations and tons of evidence, as I learn how shakey and insubstantial it is, I am horrified.
The good work is sharing the Gospel so that others may know the love of the Father in Heaven. They will know they have a purpose in life in serving the Lord, as there isn’t much of one without God. The Bible is a history book that has been around for thousands of years. It was written during the very eras its words speak about. Hopefully, you don’t think someone just made up all those chapters of detailed genealogical records which are written in books like Chronicles. I would encourage you to look up a man named Lee Strobel, a former atheist who sought out to disprove Christianity. His research actually led him to become a believer and write a book called “The Case for Christ.” Sorry, if this reply seems a little all over the place, but there’s just so much to talk about.
God said in Quran about Jesus (peace be upon him): " And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]. That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]." (Quran 3:42-43) " [And mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God ]. He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.(Quran 03:45-49) "[Mention] when God said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."(Quran 3:55 )
This is an extremely thought-provoking video. Questioning everything down to the bare-bones facts has always been what I’ve lived for. The comparisons are stellar and you presented all the evidence well. This is the first time I’ve watched any of your videos and I immediately subscribed, I’d subscribe twice if I could
AND, by stating that you'd subscribe twice, you also display the beginnings of the tendency that is common to people who "want to" follow trends and imaginations which eventually morph into cults and belief-systems. No offense, as I am sort of kidding, yet believe that critical examination is key to remain neutral.
As a former Christian I need to say we don't learn anything about the truth of the religion itself other than what others would have us believe and we become indifferent to ask what should be asked
@@Glory_be_to_Christ This is the type of dismissive gaslighting that Christians do to others. This is why there is no point wasting time on them or their belief system. So many other things to do with life.
Hah! Did anyone else catch the scene from "Life Of Brian" (Monty Python classic) at the 11:24 mark? Great movie. It actually does a great job of demonstrating how someone can become a cult leader (without even trying!).
@@markallen8022 Well jesus didnt actually write the bible so 🤷🤷. Unless the writer was actually there, thats not even the case with majority of authors 🤷.
Life of Brian-a classic!! It's on my short list. Maybe I'll watch it tonight. It's only been 34 years...dang. pretty sure I have no underpants as old as that anymore! As a ceramic artist going commando as a hairy potter has a fundamental elegance about it... Aye Aye capin' Major Pun-over & out! Okay, bye!
How many gospels were rejected by Constantine? I love how I'm told to take Jesus on faith, that He is objectively true when the bible has 4 versions of his life that differ in some ways. So his life is subjective and therefore not a set thing.
The Gospel of Thomas is likely older than any of the gospels in the NT, which makes sense because it's still really Jewish in character. It's ironically probably more accurate to what Jesus's teachings would have been than anything in the Christian Bible.
Taker68. Constantine had NOTHING to do with accepting or rejecting gospels. He called the Council of Nicea, which he didn't actually participate in, which was concerned solely with how Jesus was divine. That council condemned Arianism, which held that the Son was created by the Father, and was not co eternal with the Father. Don't get your history from the DaVinci Code.
@@vercingetorix3414 Well damn me for not knowing all of history already. Well some damned F-er left books out of the Bible back then. Whoever that MFer was is who I'm talking about. OK?
@@taker68 Not knowing is not the problem. It's posting something as fact that you admit you do not know to be true. We all lack knowledge, but we all don't post falsehoods as if we know what we are talking about.
@@vercingetorix3414 I'm just a guy posting on the internet, not a journalist or someone with their own YT channel. If I make a mistake, I'd hope someone would politely point it out instead of calling me dumb. I have a better than average knowledge of history but I don't know it all. If you manage to stop all mistakes on YT, you must do it as a full time job. I didn't get my info from a stupid film that I never saw.
Came across this video by just zapping through Y.T Videos and start watching it non-stop till the end, and I must say I found it one of the most conclusively informative and thought provoking (if and when you watch and listen to what is being shown and said) videos I have ever watched, good work👍
@@writtenhousesecurity6499 the point of the video is proving that there is no reason to believe there even is a god, let alone trust them over hard science
@@writtenhousesecurity6499 do you realize that are in this position mostly because of religion? It is the christians who deny science most of the time. It is the christians who deny climate change. It is the christians who spread misinformation. Science has led us into a future where people can have much higher standards of living. It also gives us the opportunity to correct our mistakes. Christianity keeps us stuck in the past. Did you know most secular nations are considerably better off than religious nations? Religion is at fault for how the world is doing, not science.
The thing a lot of religious people don't take into account is even if historical Jesus existed it doesn't mean he was God/the son of God. I usually use the Danish king Christian the 4th. We can safely assume he lived, but there are stories about him where he has super human powers which we dismiss as nonsensical. We need to apply this to historical Jesus as well.
A Christian friend once told me I should be a Jesus believer because ... the Santa Claus myth was based on a real person - a nice Bishop called Saint Nicholas who gave out presents. 😲 Which was possibly the most stupid attempt imaginable to convert me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MGC-XIII - to be quite honest ... I was speechless. I was just a teenager back then, and I wasn't so ready to contradict my friend over something he was passionate about.
@@MGC-XIII - I had another friend who told me, in all seriousness, that evolution must be false because if evolution was true we would all live forever. Again, the stupidity of the claim just left me speechless. Which was yet another case during my teenage years that I didn't want to contradict a friend, so I just left it alone.
A good one to use for miracles is Emperor Vespasian. He was said to have performed miracles similar to Jesus, the fun thing about this example is that those miracles are recorded by Tacitus, a historian whos mentions of Jesus in his works, Christians often cite as proof of his historicity. If you believe Tacitus proves Jesus, you also have to believe Emperor Vespasian healed a blind man by spitting on him.
hello! i’m in the process of understanding my faith as a Christian more and more and this video has been a great one to pick my brain with, i’m subscribed! as i’ve begun digging and just analyzing different videos, my temporary standings are as follows: the Bible has been such a circulated piece of text that i’d say it’s possible things may have been changed or context is just completely thrown out the window, leading to misinterpretation and as you mentioned, over exaggeration of certain events. i agree (obviously lol) that Jesus did exist and i think there’s something to be said about how prosperity preachers, cult leaders, and just regular people tainting the image and teachings of Jesus. that said, with the question you posed near the end, i guess the draw to Jesus (based off of the Bible) for me is the balance between His teachings and the allusion to Him being God. He stood up against pharisees and people who discriminated against other “less-faithful/religious” people, not as just a chill guy from nazareth, but the son of God. to which He then, taught people to love one another. of course His other main commandment, loving God with your everything, was also there but it was tied in with the love we are commanded to give to each other. once again, not just as a teacher and chill dude, but as the son of God. again, historians as well as science don’t have too much to hold onto as far as the divinity goes, along with even the things i mentioned in that last paragraph haha. but while there isn’t a whole lot there we can physically point to, i guess that’s just where the faith comes in. wonderful video! excited to see more :)
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Now that we know what's after the atmosphere, how will they defend the ascension? Or that Voyager 1 caught up with Elijah's chariot (2hp) and passed it around Mars and Enoch midway walking casually through space.
@@HolyKoolaid oh right, almost no one knew or suspected space is mostly empty until… …about 1800 years later. Or that only a bacteria, a tardigrade, a man with a special suit or habitat (or a hibernating Cleffa) could survive more than a minute out there. So much for supreme, timeless intelligence. PS: also Caesar was already dead when deified. And was never emperor, in case anyone asks. though the fact a comet passed by in the following weeks must have been convenient for propaganda. PPS : wonder if there’s a controversy on whether or not he did write De Bello Gallico.
I am an atheist but I do like Bret Weinsteins's argument that whilst religion is not literally true, having a society based on that belief structure gives the society an advantage over godless socities. In the case of Islam for example, a proseltizing war based religion is very successful at winning wars over other religious socities, see the recent events in Afghanistan show.. In other words, a religious societies are more succsesful over non religious societies. The englightenment and scientific revolutions have fundamentally changed this fundamentla truth and now our secular societies are more successful. But whether that can last forever remains to be seen.
The claims they found proof is like me stealing a worn out copy of Mother Goose from a library and saying it proves there has always been an all knowing Anatidae in a bonnet wandering the land spreading goosy wisdom. ALL HAIL THE DOWNY ONE!
@HolyKoolaid thanks for a video on this. I was going to ask, but I saw you already made some videos on Jesus. I agree with you that people should question thier faith. 👍
Julius Caesar: I must go the gods need me! *Floats away into the sky* Random Roman guy 1: By Jupiter! Did anybody else see that?! Random Roman guy 2: See what? My back was turned.... Random Roman guy1: *facepalms*
I appreciate you so much! Excellent scholarship, and intelligence when dealing with this subject that is so touchy for too many. I’m not a believer, but I keep all your facts in my back pocket for the next time I find myself talking with one. 😍
I’m a Christian just browsing the internet on historical evidences for Jesus (not anywhere near renouncing my faith by any means just honestly looking to be challenged in my thought process and beliefs) and one thing that stood out to me is when you spoke of men writing history in their favor. Usually fluffing the text making themselves look good. But throughout the Bible it is recorded the MANY MANY mistakes that people made. Saul (later Paul), was a murderer, David committed adultery and murder, I would think the many messed up things that they did would have been recorded differently but it wasn’t recorded that way. Again and again throughout scripture men are doing the worst things and it all comes back to why? Why would they record themselves (or others record about their actions since we don’t know exactly who wrote some of the scriptures) in such a bad light? Why would they make themselves look bad in order to make jesus look good? I suppose you could say that in any cult believers are brainwashed to think of their leader as perfect and without error. Something about the consistency of these men writing about the bad things they have done rarely putting themselves in a good light. Anyways would love feedback if you have. Loved the critical think process here.
Electronidus -- the stories in the bible you read aren't people writing about themselves. These are OTHER people writing about them. They can make up anything they'd like. And chances are the people they're writing about are just fictional and serving as morality tales. King David and Solomon were already committing adultery with their 300 wives and 600 concubines and still sleeping with yet other women out of wedlock. Before the Bathsheba event, god didn't have a problem with David doing this. Same with Solomon. He was never condemned by god for his sexual antics. It was his due as king and culturally it was not seen as 'bad'. Abraham knocks up his wife's slave girl, then tosses her and the boy she bore him out in the desert to die so his "legitimate" son can rule. Abraham is not punished for this. Not even considered evil because as a slave owner it's his right to do what he wants to his slaves. We have no evidence Saul was a murderer (he never called himself Paul). All we have is his word on things. No one else corroborates his actions prior to his religious conversion. So are they true?
Those disciples didn't write the Gospels. They were written by other people much later. What would those other people care about showing the faults of the disciples? Now ask yourself this: can you recall any account of Jesus sinning in the Gospels? Remember your very own line(Quoted directly from you): "you could say that in any cult believers are brainwashed to think of their leader as perfect and without error"
Agreement between two arrest reports isn't sufficient to convict someone of a crime. You need empirical evidence from outside the reports to support the claims made therein. Without that, it's heresay. A claim about an event is independent of the fact of the event itself. A report or claim cannot stand by itself as evidence for itself. Caesar's Commentaries On The Gallic War are a report about Caesar's campaign in what is now France against Vercingetorix. We can prove empirically that Caesar existed, that Vercingetorix existed, that a battle was fought at the location described, and we have no reason to believe that Caesar was lying. Caesar also claimed that the gods favored him and let him win the battle. If everything else he wrote wasn't demonstrably false, by the Christian approach to textual analysis, we must also accept that the Roman gods actually exist, and favored Caesar. See the problem? That's not how real historians do textual analysis and archaeology, and Christian history shouldn't be treated any different
@@habe1717Yes but the point is that Jesus was (is) God so of course He couldn't sin. Else you see Him as a cult leader, madman, crazy, or He was saying the Truth. He proved Himself to me so I will always stand for the truth. Cult leaders want to gain fame and money, Jesus wanted to love and spread love, much difference. The Greatest Man in History… Jesus; Had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today
My family has a signed letter from G Washington when he was a surveyor and surveyed my families property in what is now West Virginia. We don’t have anything signed by Jesus.
One was a famous military general and leader of a country from 250 years ago. The other was a likely illiterate preacher in a backwoods province from 2000 years ago.
@@WildCard-ze3tm - was he? Believers tell me Jesus was a skilled craftsperson who was able to read the Torah and thus should have been able to write if he could read and was not an illiterate poor person.
@@benjalucian1515 Possibly he could read, but it's more likely that he simply had the relevant portions memorized (which was common) and then recited them while looking at the scroll. I don't know how profitable carpentry was, but regardless it is very unlikely that he was a man of any significant power or influence.
@@WildCard-ze3tm -The word was tekton. It means handyman, which could have meant a carpenter, or a stonemason or a builder. And the bible is unclear on whether Jesus was trained in a craft or not. One gospel describes Jesus as tekton. Another gospel says Jesus is the SON of a tekton, not that he himself was one.
Thx for overview. No kool aid for me. I had heard there were many people with the name Jesus living in the same place at the same time, much as there are many people named Nigel living in London today. Could this compilation of stories be from several people named Jesus at that time?
If you liked this video, you'll love my Nothing Fails Like Bible History series: th-cam.com/play/PLCTNr4WPOQ97bwf-ylpCDR9kxrsEpp0kl.html
I do love your work. I have no idea why PayPal has cut off over half of my fav tubers.
Totally off topic, but I'm just too lazy to look ... did you get a perm or is it just grown out hair?
@@jjphank Great, go to new york, get me an autograph of Spider-Man. We have thousands, millions of copies of books depicting the wall crawler, so by your logic he MUST BE REAL.
I like the white Jesus look that you are going for.
Just so ya know..........I turn the volume up all the way so my jesusfreeks near me can enjoi all this yummy info.
Although we have lots of evidence for the existence of Abraham Lincoln, I'm starting to suspect that he may not have actually been a vampire hunter...
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It plainly states in the Wholly Buybull that Abe was indeed a vampire hunter. See verse 69 in the Book of Tools. And remember...... "The church service ain't over 'til the snakes are are back in the box".
" not have actually been a vampire hunter" What historical evidence do you have that refutes the vampire hunter reality? Were there no Vampires in Lincoln's time?
“They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong”. Amen
You got that right!
Regarding Who ? Defense or Prosecution ?
One of my favourites. A perfect example of logic in action.
Yeah, that was a great wisdom by Mr @holykoolaid
@@sherry866 ~ The quote was "regarding" religion.
::facepalm:: ::sigh:: ::head-shake:signifying:derision::
You probably should have watched the video to the end to avoid making a fool of yourself.
Proving someone existed is a far cry from proving they were divine.
This does neither
Speak for yourself. I’m divine. And… I *think* I exist. Maybe.
@@ooloncoluphid1942 All hail Coluphid!
Maybe, but if he didn't exist he isn't divine either. But if he did, he may or may not be. Many grains of mineral make a mountain.
@@vedinthorn we know for a fact that Oolon Coluphid exists, so worship him now.
I grew up mormon, and we were taught to pray about joseph smith and the book of mormon. If we had enough faith, then we were taught that god would answer our prayers (in the affirmative via good feelings.) And yet, millions of people have probably prayed about their own religions and received the the same types of good feelings. Even Marshall Applewhite told his followers to do the same thing.
ex-mormon gang 🤜🤛
God always answers😅
shoutout to my fellow ex-Mormon! growing up that way really screwed with how i was able to determine the truth of anything. i had to learn how to apply basic skepticism and the scientific method and like, critical thinking at the age of 23 because for so long everything in my life was based solely on prayers and feelings - like i even prayed about the truthfulness of what i learned in my geology class!
@@capguncarcrash lol we were encouraged to do that at BYU 🤣🤣
Marshall Applewhite speaks the exact same way as Henry Eyring... chilling.
Your piece about the evidence we have for Washington is really rhetorically effective and well put together. So much effort presented effortlessly .
So do you believe that Hercules was a real person? Or Zeus? Julius Ceasar and Washington we have a lot of mundane facts about, but we don't really have any non-mythic claims about the life and times of Jesus, Hercules, Zeus, etc. So why accept that any of them were ever real people?
@@seanoconnell1120 jesus existed ok? It's an undisputed fact. Whether or not he was divine is the debate.
@@seanoconnell1120 Hercules and Zeus are mythological, they didn't exist. Straight up. No evidence or anything. With Jesus and Julius Caesar, we have many proofs they were real people. Unbaised and biased alike.
@@isaacelliott9753 No, sorry......it is not a fact that he existed. There is NO HISTORICAL mention of jesus anywhere, save for the book. Go on and list to anybody who will listen to you, all the evidence of his having passed through earth. Before you even start looking, know that many of us have already looked far and wide. There were many religious freaks at the time, who knows who was who? Does it even matter? Start with the so-called census mentioned in the book, who was ceasar at the time? Who was the Governor of Judea? Was there even a historical census decreed by the ceasar in Rome at the time? No, there was not......now go on from wherever you want.
Augustus was emperor, Quirinius was legate governor. These are undisputed. And we know of several rebellion leaders in detail: Bar Kohba, Judas Maccabeus. Where are you getting these ideas dude?
16:40 Like the quote, "When you understand why you dismiss every other religion, then you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Obviously. All other religions are always wrong, except yours. The profound truth of religion.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours". Stephen Henry Roberts
The reason you say you don't believe in God is cause you are like a spoiled little brat who doesn't wanna have to obey God or have to answer for all the crap you have done on earth. It takes more faith for you to believe in evolution than God creating the world. You know who God is, so there won't be an excuse when you stand before Him. I am glad I'm not you.
No, since I accept mine because of the abundant evidence and reject those for which there is not a shred of same.
It really annoys me how you have polemicists of different religions applying strong critical historical standards to dunk on other religions, but then they don’t apply those same standards to their own texts or beliefs. It shows they aren’t actually interested in intellectual honesty or historical accuracy, they just want to put down other religions without doing the same to their own
As a 65 y.o. man, as a boy in the 60's, we all believed the end was near. During WWII, people in the U.S. sold their homes and went up into the mountains to wait for the rapture. During this 6+ decade journey, I've seen/known so many who believed "the end is near". Many of them were apparently right, as they are no longer with us. I see yesterdays babies grow out of diapers, have kids, and subscribe to the "end is near" school of belief. It is so interesting to see other people's kids grow to adulthood, and decide that they are ordained to teach "The Truth", and they collect a cult following, and, they all seem to think that all that is old... is new.
I believe, in possibilities. I believe after someone spews out what they 'believe' is 'the truth', that they could be right. But, they could be wrong. You see, I believe in possibilities. I believe it's possible, that no one knows the truth, they only believe it is. So, it is possible, that everyone is wrong, even me. What a paradox. Just don't kill anyone that doesn't share your 'beliefs', and I believe it'll work out in the end.
Wooow
AMAZIMG COMMENT !!!!!
@@1Impossibleguy Wooow
@@1Impossibleguy WOOOOOOOOOW
@@1Impossibleguy WOOOOOW
Jesus came to me in person. We had lunch and broke bread, and then he gave me insight into what makes the earth whole. After lunch, he continued mowing my lawn.
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know that Jesus, he was a refugee, he cross the waters, he spent more than 40 days in the desert... nobody knows what he did or where he lives in his 20's, he worked as a carpenter, a fisherman and many other odd jobs, he speaks languages and talk a lot about Maria.... 'till some agents capture him...
You are nuts.
😂😂😂😂
No shit I met him in a crack house, and he was very believable
I had similar thoughts. All religions claim that all other religions worship false prophets or false idols. If that is true, then religion cancels itself out. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. And, according to science, logic, and historical fact, they are.
'Profits' might be a typo for prophets but it applies to all religions just as well.
@@joycejames8461 True and typo corrected.
@@thomaslevy2119 You were still right the first time!
@@joycejames8461 I agree lol they just want your best, meaning your money 🤣
I wish that matter and antimatter canceled out when the universe formed
"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong!" Well said!
I hope your joking
@@theovanstaden5766 cope
@@theovanstaden5766 nah your the coper
@@theovanstaden5766 What did Jesus do when innocents were getting tortured and blown up during the apartheid? The peaceful old man who built his humble abode into his beautiful home over 20 years who got told to move because the white township was expanding, he then hung himself because all he worked for got taken away where was Jesus? And according to the rules you follow this poor man would be consigned to hell for suicide which is apparently a sin. How about the man who got tortured by having his testicles squeezed like a stress ball and then punched so hard it leaked a liquid so gross and pungent just because he was against clear moral injustice of a system that dictates your life based on a fact you have no control over (skin colour of all things) where was Jesus then? If he is real and all powerful he is a scumbag for letting these terrible things happen.
@@theovanstaden5766 cope
I always heard that we knew more about Jesus than we ever knew about Julius Caesar. I guess I took this for granted until I actually started researching Roman history. There is an absolute wealth of details about Caesar's life and exploits. Hell, we even know what he looked like!
@luca bertani Even if he was nothing but a cynical roman lie concocted by Vespasian, Titus and their accomplices in the flavian court, like adopted son Josephus, right?
@luca bertani nobody likes to read comments that are as long as the one you sent above. I know you meant well, but it's generally considered trolling.
Pontius Pilate wrote a letter to Caesar about Jesus and shares some of his features in the letter. Besides Caesar was a political leader and was printed on coins! Do you know what your ancestors of over 2000 years looked like? Do you have any photos of your great great great great grandfather?
@luca bertani Yes, Jesus gave you all you need to know to be an ignorant sheep.
Jesus life was based on Julius caesar
"Everyone is an atheist. They deny all gods, I just choose to deny 1 more than you." - Higgins
@@Tigerys-SweetPea While I always have a lot more fun around Pagans, you are still a silly bunch of daydream believers and mythologists.
@@cartoonraccoon2078 but pagans don't shove their beliefs down your throat.
Not this stupid argument again... Like quality and quantity are the same...
That's not a fucking atheist
@@ΚωνσταντίνοςΧειρδάρης when the quality is zero quantity is whats important
Just thought of something. Many fundamentalists reject radiometric dating but you know if they found some scripture and it dated to 20-40 ad or whatever they would be like SEE!!!!
Like the shroud.
@@briancomley8210 Which dates to the 16th century.
@@jonathonrobinson6081 Early 14th century, matching the first appearance of the unique cloth weave which did not exist in the middle east, at all, anywhere. It matches the carbon dating as well. That face on that shroud is almost certainly Jaques de Molay, the Templar Grand Master executed in France, in 1314. That unique cloth weave is from 1300's France too.
@@buddypage58 Mate - was going so well till the rubbish about the Templars. Since Molay died in 1314 (and he been held under arrest in Paris from 1307) and the earliest we know the fake shroud existed was 1353 in the town of Lirey and as it was investigated at the time by the local Bishop who called it a fake based on talking to the artist who did it, the idea he painted someone dead for about 30 years isn't credible.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q You mean those Bishops from the Church that is still lying about it? Later on the Church decided they could use it. They acquired it from someone closely associated with the Knights Templar. Whether that was Geoffroi de Charny or another person had it prior is a good question. Nothing the Church says about any of this history can be trusted. Nothing...
Ah, yes, Twitter. The most reliable of all news sources 🤦🏻♀️😂
Have some respect for the hours and hours of TH-cam and Facebook research, not to mention the many cases of cheap beer, it takes to become a Twit.
And the one with the highest scholarly standards. 🤣
Tik-Tok is my go-to news source.😎
Well it's honestly more reliable than the Bible.
Scores higher than the bible
"This was, after all, the holy grail of biblical scholarship." Not to be pedantic but... Wouldn't the holy grail be the holy grail of biblical scholarship?
Glad your looking, scientist said the earth was flat and people believed them, scientist said, and still do, it took millions of years for the Grand Canyon / Mt St Helen in one day changed everything, Come over from the dark side "The Genesis History"
@@chriscraven33 I was literally making a pun
Classic
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
Thomas Jefferson
founding father, 3rd US President
The biggest fertilizer of slavery is ignorance In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence. Zero! Zip references.
Till 325 AD, not a single historian or writer wrote about Jesus Christ or any of his disciples .
BEFORE THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA IN 325 AD, NOBODY ON THIS PLANET EVER HEARD OF THE NAMES JESUS CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY.
JESUS/ BIBLE / CHRISTIANTY WAS COOKED UP IN 325 AD, BY JEWESS HELENA , WHO SAT ON THE POPE'S CHAIR..
"Vatican is Evil terrorist satanic organisation."
If Satan does exist, then he thrives inside the Roman Catholic Church.
The dead sea scrolls covering the period from Birth of Jesus to 68 AD , does NOT say one word about Jesus or his 12 Apostles.
Hellenistic philosopher Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20 BCE-50 AD/CE)-alive at the purported time of Jesus, and one of the wealthiest and best connected citizens of the Empire- makes no mention of Christ, Christians or Christianity in his voluminous writings. Nor do any of the hundreds of other historians and writers who flourished during the first THREE centuries of the common era.
The DEAD SEA SCROLLS were all written by Pagan Essenes . None of them have been edited by later Christians, as is the case with some other Jewish literature.
All the scrolls (except a treasure map known as the Copper Scroll) can be dated prior to A.D. 68 or 69, when the Qumran settlement was believed to have been destroyed by the Romans in the Jewish revolt.
The oldest of the scrolls probably goes back to the middle of the third century B.C. The people of Qumran belonged to a Pagan religious group known as the Essenes.
Pliny the Elder, who died during the volcanic destruction of Pompeii in the year 79 A.D., described a community of pagan Essenes living on the western shore of the Dead Sea, close to where Khirbet Qumran is situated.
John the Baptist was an ascetic Essene . He was a vegan and was uncircumcised . Various literary sources like Josephus and Philo tell clearly that Essenes were ascetics.
We also know, from literary testimony, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the archaeological remains of Qumran, that the Essenes practiced many water baptisms for ritual purification-similar to a dip in the Ganges or the river Pampa or at Thiirunelli. At Qumran, however, all members of the community were baptized with water for ritual purification.
Josephus writes, "And as for their piety towards God, it is very extraordinary; for before sunrising they speak not a word about profane matters, but put up certain prayers which they have received from their forefathers, as if they made a supplication for its rising" (Wars, 2.8.5). This testimony accords well with what we know from the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Prayer and humility was one thing that the Essenes . When they cooked up stories about Jesus they wrote that Jesus Christ ate the Last Supper in the Essene part of town.
Jesus is not historical character, The Dead Sea Scrolls have produced increasing evidence to cement the fact that Jesus Christ never existed and the whole story was cooked up at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
The FAKE gospels were written after 325 AD after Jesus was cooked up at the first Council of Nicea..
Twelve apostles of Jesus never existed.
Jesus Christ names 12 apostles to spread his gospel, and the early Christian church owes its rapid rise to their missionary zeal. Yet, for most of the Twelve, there's scant evidence of their existence outside of the New Testament.
The concept of using statistics to prove that 'God authored the Bible' is bullshit.
Why was the library of Alexandria burnt ?
The gospel of Thomas was not written by Jesus' disciple Thomas.
Englishman Godfrey Higgins studied Greek, Latin and law at Cambridge . His two-volume, 867-page book Anacalypsis: An Enquiry into the Origins of Languages, Nations, and Religions, was published posthumously in 1836.
In his treatise, Higgins writes " the mythos of the Jews and the mythos of the Greeks are all at bottom the same lifted from the ancient mythos of Hindus ; and ... are contrivances under the appearance of histories to perpetuate doctrines," and that Christian editors “either from roguery or folly, corrupted them all.”
1900, Scottish MP John Mackinnon Robertson wrote that Jesus never existed but was an FAKE invention by a first-century messianic cult. He wrote about the First Council of Nicea of 325 AD where powerful forces invented a new god to fit the needs of the society of the time .Robertson specifically mentions the Talmudic story of the Yeshu .
Thomas says: "Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114).
AIYOOOOO -even Christians don’t like this
When the master of James baby Jesus Christ never existed -- how can his disciple St James exist ?
Even since the dead sea scrolls have been discovered CHRISTIANS and JEWS are jumping up and down like demented orangutans claiming that Essenes belong to them.
Dead Sea text or Qumran Scrolls have absolutely nothing ZILCH, to do with the Bible of the Torah - never mind the diabolical lies of the Christians and the Jews.
For arguments sake -even if messiah Jesus Christ existed , the gospels were written a even a century after Jesus' estimated year of death, by individuals who never met Jesus, and then were edited or forged over the centuries by unknown scribes with their own agendas.
Dead sea scrolls have been written by Essenes of the sect of Apollonius
Let me just say this: on my first ever 'induction lecture' , my first ever lecture at The University of Glasgow, our first ever official lecturer gave, 90%, and with less impressive visuals (it was the 90s) pretty much this exact same monologue: and he finished with:
'I know some of you might have a problem with this, and you may disagree. But if you can do better? Please do. That's why we're here. "
THAT is education.
In a few thousand years, when they finally find a fragment of paper from the 21st century, it will be the long awaited proof that Harry Potter really existed.
Jesus existed
@@GeovanniCastro666 maybe…but he was just a dude!
@@GeovanniCastro666 He might have, there were plenty of christ figures running around at the time and it's quite possible, perchance even probable, that he was one of them. Doesn't really matter though, does it?
But what about compared to other ancient historical figures? I think that’s a better comparison than Washington. What about someone like Alexander the Great?
@@GeovanniCastro666 Si pero no era el hijo de Dios
"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong." Excellent point! 😍
basically what brought me out of religion right here
He got that from Dilahunty.
@@JohnSmith-xd4zd sounds like a quote from a movie hmm
@@kermitthorson9719 That's probably where we all came from! I wouldn't care about any of this stuff if it hadn't been shoved down my throat all my life!🤢 I was a preacher's kid so I got a SUPER heavy dose and a view from the inside. I knew all the gossip and all the politics. I even knew where the money went - trust me, not where they tried to make us believe it went. And, we were one of the major, respected religions. So, when any politician refers to their Christian Base I feel nauseous and disgusted. I know who a lot of those people are when they feel nobody's looking. Josh Duggar, anybody? They prayed over him and look how that turned out.🤔
@@JohnSmith-xd4zd I can't remember who it's accredited to. Russel or maybe Hume (or some unknown dude, bored in a toilet stall with a Sharpie on hand). The sentiment has been passed around since antiquity and the origin makes no difference; it true and that's the important part.
The pharaohs were considered gods by millions of ancient Egyptians, too, yet no one proclaims that mummies are evidence of their godhood.
@Dumisani Nkosi No, but Europeans loved eating them.
@Dumisani Nkosi No, but neither did Jesus. Besides, resurrection would have played no role in the pharaohs' journey to divinity.
@@Velvetx4cove Wow, that's fucking weird, to say the least. Though, it's important to stress that not all Europeans would have taken part in such unreasonable and superstitious practices.
@Dumisani Nkosi More accurately the Pharoahs did just the same as what Jesus was claimed to do, simply be born divine.
@Dumisani Nkosi , what does atheist attempt Jesus mean?
Imagine being south of Dallas, Texas 1,000 years from now and unearthing journal entries about David Koresh.
His followers believed he was divine and were willing to kill and die for him...hmmm...
Bold of you to assume humans will last another 10 years more less 1000
Except when writings about Jesus are unearthed he was already extremely popular and wide spread.
Koresh is another nut case that’s labeled as such. Also his teachings were contradictory to the beliefs he claimed.
@@JustHuman87 *he was already extremely popular and wide spread* and was expected to be resurrected and thus, here were believers investing in a man who claimed to be the resurrected messiah. Appeared to be a quite common and popular idea with many small cults springing up across the world with men claiming to be the resurrected Christ.
@@JustHuman87 *Also his teachings were contradictory to the beliefs he claimed* Like Jesus saying BOTH that his commandments overruled the 10 commandments and that the 10 commandments would outlast the planet? Sounds contradictory to the beliefs Jesus claimed...
I’m an ordained minister. I thoroughly appreciate your honesty and clarity presenting this material. I thank you for your hard work in presenting clear and concise facts. This is cognitively stimulating and I’ll definitely continue to follow your channel.
Why don't you already know this? I'm not a ordained alleged minister and I've read about this in detail for decades. It's been my whole life. Do you not even care about the truth? What else is wrong with you? Truly pathetic.
@@zapkvr I believe you may have misread what I have typed. Nowhere did I say I did not know this information. I am simply stating my thanks That emotionalism is being challenged by way of actual facts. That’s all. I for one, enjoy these videos because it constantly challenges my imbedded or ingrained theology, and actually forces me to think about what I’m studying/researching/preaching. Take care!
@@zapkvr I have to say this comment is neither helpful or accurate. As Jukabiea replies at no point did he give any points of belief or knowledge regarding HK's video, just that he appreciated the approach and the professionalism.
You need to be really careful what you read into others comments, you've effectively strawmanned Jukabiea's post beyond anything I've seen any apologist do.
@@zapkvr no need for the insults there buddy, the guy never said he didn't know it already only that he appreciated the video, stop being a cockhead online
Your comment does nothing to further the conversation and is very childish.
As an ex-mormon, you warmed my heart by squeezing Joseph Smith Jr. between Jim Jones and L. Ron Hubbard. Nice.
True fact in 1976 I met Jim Jones face-to-face
I said practically the same thing to my wife
@@davidshareefChTPhD what was he like? Is it true what they say?
Because that's where he belongs
I live in Canada and sometimes attend an LDS church
I wasn’t raised Christian/Mormon but I do believe it’s a good community and less problems exist among them than in the secular ones (ie, teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, violence)
Luke Skywalker lived a long time ago in a galaxy far away according to sources.
he did many worlds theory and space is a illusion
Luke Skywalker, Luke comes from Lucas. The name means light, or light source or bringer of light, bright, white, light-giving. Skywalker is a descriptive term for the Sun. The Sun is also a symbol for Jesus Christ. The whole Star Wars story is about good vs, evil and the Force that that assists in such endeavors.
We have video evidence!
Sources were beyond reproach, so I've heard
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They could find a perfectly preserved parchment from 80 AD and it would still wouldn't prove their god is real. If ten thousand years from now, there's "scripture" written that a man with spider like powers helped mankind back in the 20th century, but the earliest scripture they could find was from 2230 AD, in bad condition, but then suddenly found a mint condition copy of the first edition Marvel's Spiderman from the mid 20'th century - it would still not prove a man with spider powers was real.
In this age of "alternative facts" and gaslighting, thank you for encouraging clarity and critical thinking. Hopefully you'll continue to cut through the fog that is today's social climate.
So is Hercules just a real normal human that existed? What about Romulus? Was Amaterasu just a normal princess, but definitely existed?
Eloquent and true!
@@letsomethingshine Hercules didn't exist, he was part of a myth. With Romulus, we have no clue if he did or didn't exist. Same with his brother, Remus. Who knows, Hercules might've existed, but not the way we see him as. But tbh, most people don't believe he existed.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
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when it comes to religion, it's a tricky subject. There are hard-core devotees of all religious faiths, my experience is that no amount of logical argument will sway them. This video may not change the beliefs of many folks, but those who are simply seeking truth can find value in it.
I love how dating is acceptable when it supports your belief, but when dates are older than "creation", dating methods are suspect.
Anything that contradicts the mainstream will be subject until it becomes mainstream itself. Just the way it works.
but at least shes legal
Being older than creation has not helped my dating.
Carbon dating is bogus as shit yet science still uses it.
@@peterbrowne7101 hi yeah but think of the billions ever on earth who didnt even make it to 10 years old rest way for us is cream and what about good memories bye
The missing page said "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental."
I was just thinking that myself. Red Dwarf always has all the answers. Praise Cloister The Stupid. LOL
Imagine if the wealthy owning-class Publishers and their CEO Editors went back to those times when they DID NOT force their writers and scribes to include those disclaimers!
Rimmer is God!
Smeg head
Love it,
I follow the Dharma, expounded by the Buddha. Precisely because it is not about worshipping him. It is about finding the truth for oneself.
“The Dharma” which one? Jainism? Sikhism? Hinduism?(i kno u sed Buddha, I’m simply pointing out the use of “The”)
There is no single “Dharma”. And even Buddhism has so many different varietals and sects, there are stil many Buddhists who Deify Siddhartha. Seeking truth is good, but words still mean stuff! Buddhists can’t even agree on what the true teachings are. Some say with age he gained wisdom, and by rejecting the notion of Godhood, he finally achieved Nirvana. Others who say, he lost his way, and others still who deny the notion he ever made such a declaration. I get that the aesthetics are a vibeyer vibe than stuffy western religions. But it’s still just that, a religion. And to say otherwise is to deny reality. That one can, through mediation or “being holy enough” achieve “Nirvana” I’m sorry Homie, THAT is Dogma. Seeking Truth however, I’m not mad at it, just keep seeking, and stay skeptical of grandiose claims.
Be Blessed✌🏽
@@MisterBadman Buddha dharma. The 4 noble truths and the noble 8 fold path. All Buddhists aspire to follow them. I'm not aware of any dispute about this 🙂
And I said the Dharma expound by the Buddha in my comment. 😂 I thought that was pretty clear.
Pfft.
I follow Perun.
Triglav drinks the blood of your puny gods.
That is all you need to know.
@@michaelbarbarich3965 what language are you speaking?
Thank you so much for this. I'm a former Bible College graduate who was originally planning to be a pastor. Ironically, my final theology exam started me on the road to better critical thinking which eventually led me to notice I wasn't on the Christian train aymore. I greatly appreciate the systematic and calm method in which you pesented the facts, as opposed to so many well-meaning but ultimately detrimental presentations that try to grab a hold of your emotions as if something as important as core beliefs were only something to be manipulated as a form of marketing. Its taken me many years to gather up the evidence that you present so well here.
All bible prophecy has been proven 100% true. May God's mercy reveal to you the truth. Don't reject God's word. God is coming soon. Remember, after death we have an eternity to live. Choose wisely.
God is real, jesus is real, the spirits real, judgement day is real...mercy is preffered over judgement.
This guys anti christ.
Well done Daniel. It's a wrench, cutting off the bindings applied over years of indoctrination. For many people, they LIKE being deceived. That's how effective indoctrination is. It shapes not only what you believe, but what you WANT to believe. Hard to kick against that.
@@kevinmcalpine4521 Looking back on it years later, I shudder at some of the behaviours that I was eventually engulfed by being in an all-Christian environment all the time. Good thing I've always been a curious reader and never quite satisfied with pat answers. The reactions of those around me when I left that environment and started seriously questioning what I'd been taught and demanding firsthand proof instead of secondhand hearsay opened my eyes even more.
Me, too. I was on that same path. Being the son of an evangelical pastor made it difficult for me to leave, but I did. And then it took me 30 years to sort everything out - but I did.
“They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong.” Love this.
You can call it a Reverse Pascal's Wager.
Here is the Original Semitic Text. HERE is The TRUE Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER HIMSELF was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH Randomly capitalising words makes you look a little 'out there'.
Trying to claim that any of what you typed means anything just confirms that you are.
@@Praise___YaH
Absolutely nothing you wrote is evidence for anything...let alone proof. You’re seriously using the Bible to try to prove the Bible? Look up Circular Reasoning and why it’s a logical fallacy.
@@roems6396 So then by that logic, when people say "Love is love," what would you're response be?
"It can't be made up, look how old it is!" Apologist logic lol.
No way could they have lied for so long with a text, except all those other religions.
No way would they die for their beliefs and politics, except for all those other religions and political entities that do.
" if something is believed for long enough by enough people it's true" so says Mr. Reserectionalology Gary Habernaus.
Got another one for you: how come copies of the Bible have made it and still exist after centuries of people trying to banish it out of existence?
I think we all know the answer to this one.
Edit: Since there is misunderstanding about this comment, I want to clarify: I am not making this argument. This is one of the weak apologies I was given by a Jehovah's Witness when I made the mistake of answering the door to them. I naïvely believed explaining I was an ex-christian atheist would nip the proselytizing in the bud then and there. (Incidentally, this conversation was how I discovered TellTale. I had no idea what JWs believed and I wanted to be prepared if/when they returned, so I started searching online after they left.)
I thought the phrases "got another one for you" and "we all know the answer to this one." indicated I was adding to the OP with more daft apologist logic. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough.
@@spanglelime
Who was "trying to banish it out of existence"? There wasn't even a bible until the 4th century, and no agreement on canon until the 5th, and by that time christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire. So, who was doing this banishing, and how were they going to make it disappear?
@@commonsense5494 I don't even know! I was informed about this by a JW who'd doorstepped me. I made the mistake of opening the door (we were still fairly new in the neighborhood bc we'd just moved, so people were constantly coming by), and then I made the second mistake of telling them I'm an ex-christian atheist. They were lovely women, and I really liked them. They were the reason I started searching for what JWs really believe and went down a rabbit hole on TH-cam. I am sure there are ex-JWs who might be able to elaborate on that argument. Maybe she meant the muslims, or, um... the nazis? The Soviets? I never even thought about this properly haha!
We have accounts of Hercules, Apollo and Prometheus, but we don't assume they're historical.
We have historical accounts?
@@ZayneEnterprizes We have mithological accounts. Some people back then, I'm sure, thought they were real, but we know better, I hope.
@@DoctorZisIN exactly. All of those were written as mythology. The Bible is clearly written as a historical account whether or not you believe in it is irrelevant to that fact
@@ZayneEnterprizes Nope, I disagree. The gospels read like novels. Who was narrating the story of the temptations of Jesus? Satan was the only only one there. Who was narrating Jesus' prayer in Ghetsemane? All the apostles were sleep. Who narrated the interrogations of Jesus before his crucifixion? His adventures in the underworld before resurrecting? Not an ounce of history there, just tales of the imagination.
@@DoctorZisIN are you saying you think the gospels were written with the intention of being a fictional novel and not a depiction of real events whether or not you believe in them?
News Update: The oldest known copy of the National Enquirer was found in a jar in the desert with proof of Michael Jackson's alien love child .
Fallacy of False Equivalency .
But thanks for playing ! 😊
It is vehemently denied however, even by Michael Jackson himself claiming that it is not his child.
One day we will be thankful that child was the best president ever. So let’s drink to them now.
Edit: I assumed the child and alien president would be male, so I changed it to a non assuming pronoun
@@deadknight1402 i
The jar was engraved with an image of bat boy!
I really appreciate your work. Especially that you don't insult or talk down to your audience. Too many other channels are demeaning, making fun of Christians. Your healthy and knowledgeable skepticism is a breath of fresh air!
I don't think other channels mean to be disrespectful but it gets incredibly tiring hearing the constant defense undefensible ideas and stories that simply are not true...everyone can get frustrated...
So you find atheism refreshing, good luck with that. You should probably be more grateful for trees.
@@jacobwalling692skepticism does not equal atheism, but you do you.
But christians are a joke, what´s wrong with you...??
@@jacobwalling692I am
Also how does being atheist disprove trees?😂
Have you heard of evolution
Dark ages: let’s consolidate every piece of writing so we have control of who can read, change it how we want it, then burn a bunch
Many people today throwing around the word "Orwellian" don't realize that their beliefs are products of an Orwellian organization.
Dark ages be like ... "Let's consolidate every piece of writing so we can have control of who can read, change it how we want it, then burn a bunch." - FTFY - Now it's a meme!
Cool times.
That's every age of history. I've seen news articles change what they wrote without leaving an editors note at the bottom. I know that only because I read the article and when I went back to cite it, the wording changed. Also, how is that not Twitter or Facebook or social media today in general? People wrote stuff forever ago on twitter and thousands of people went back through their timeline and deleted their tweets and pretended it never existed. That's a modern book burning session if you think about it. JK rolling went back into her books and said characters were gay now, just because she said so. Disney changed Star Wars by saying all of the fandom created around it didn't matter but only the movies and whatever they produced mattered. Disney changed what they didn't like to fit what they wanted into the Star Wars universe. And unfortunately this will just keep happening, because people's narratives matter more to them than the truth and more than history.
@@dallascopp4798 it's all a little more complex than you say. Except the rare case of a ridditor mod deleting posts from the server, everything on these websites remains forever on a server somewhere. The only thing different is that the common observer can't see the "deleted tweets" or whatever. Everything is saved on a server somewhere, including earlier versions of whatever news article you're referencing.
It's different now because material is largely saved forvever. Even the small comments weaker here on TH-cam will likely last somewhere, mirrored accross several dozen Servers around the world. The same is true for all content on all major sites.
When I was a young Mormon, Steve Young told a story about his time playing pro football. A teammate saw his garments (Mormonism's sacred underwear) & teasingly asked where he could get some. Young claims he responded that they were too expensive for his teammate to afford.
About a decade later, I'm in church & somebody tells that same story. Except it's not about Steve Young. The guy is claiming it happened to him. Except he was in the Marines at the time to make it fit with his personal history. All other details were very similar, right down to the part about garments being too expensive for others to own.
So, yeah. I don't put much stock in an organization founded on a tradition of oral story-telling handed down through generations.
excellent.
Great video. I am an ex-pastor. I got a BS in Religion and Masters in Theological Studies from seminary. Seminary was the catalyst in my de-converting due to several reasons. One of those reasons happens to be the lack of original texts. The mental gymnastics that Christians conduct to explain the lack of original texts stuck out to me in seminary. The P52 text of John is dated to the late 2nd century and it is only 3.5 x 2.5 inches. And P52 is available to view online in many locations, unlike the one you mentioned supposedly in the Greene collection. Thank you again for your video and all the work you have done for years.
Critical thinking prevails ! Peace brother.
Thank you for the info. I grew up in church but I can't call myself an ex-Christian as I never believed. It all seemed like any other mythology, so who's right? No one could answer that, except the whole blind faith thing. That wasn't good enough for me. That was my stance as a child, (weird, I know. I guess I was a weird kid, lol!) It all seemed BS, and god wasn't this loving god they preached. Take hell, that's not a loving god! Why should I follow and worship this psychopath and no one could answer satisfactory. Too many contradictions, too many holes in those stories.
Needless to say, I faked being a Christian to get anyone off my back. Prayer time, sermons, there was plenty of time for daydreaming. Maybe that's why I'm good at daydreaming, lol!
I'm glad that somebody who was so deep into religion like you, left because you used your brain.
That somehow gives me a bit of hope, mankind is not lost.
I remember when I was a Christian we used to call Seminary "Cemetery" Maybe it is because so many people have their faith killed there.
Bachelor of Science in Religion sounds rather suspicious... Is there a Bachelor of Science in Literature? Or a Bachelor of Science in Philosophy? Or Bachelor of Science in Politics... Oh wait, nvm. sigh. I guess bachelor of science just requires a large and/or powerful group of people to accept the label.
I got kicked out of church school to wait outside often for asking genuine questions on clear contradictions and many things not making sense. New sub!❤
When I was about 6 years old, which was 61 years ago, I was in Sunday school one morning when the teacher told us kids that scientists didn't know what light was. That pretty much sealed the deal that these people had no idea what they were talking about.
Yes, exactly. Therefore light is just a name for something that is seen or proved. It’s too real, so most sciences today are “accepted descriptions of a name of a thing.”
Yeah they do that as they don't have a solid answer for authentic questions
Quran:
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say: “Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!” And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them. But when You took me, You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.❤
John 5.30
I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and e my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true.
I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
John 17.3
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
you, the only true God,
you, the only true God,
you, the only true God,
Matthew 26,36
he said to his disciples, “Sit here, while I go over there and pray.”
pray
Pray
Pray???
Matthew 26,39
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let s this cup pass from me; t nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
he fell on his face and prayed.
he fell on his face and prayed.
he fell on his face and prayed.
He prayed to the only true God.
If you really love Jesus do like him . 😊❤️🫂
Welcome to the club no one joins!
"They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong." I love it! Sums up blind faith in one sentence.
Well said.
@@Kalletheswede I'm sure you can find christian websites that will tell you whatever you want to believe. I usually don't follow links sent to me in the comment section. Personally, I think the bible is a collection of absurd fairytales (many of which have been debunked past the point of exhaustion). But either way, you're sincerely wasting your time preaching to me.
@@jacksonheathen2092 believe what u want, those who dont wish to see will remain blind. But dont say u didnt have a chance
@Christian Aponte Not really. That's just what you want to believe.
@@isaibustillos7293 OK. Go ahead and worship some ridiculous religion that believes in talking snakes, Noah's magic ark, a guy living inside a big fish for 3 days, or that the earth is a 6,000 year old flat disk. But please don't try to sound intelligent. It doesn't suit you. 😂
In Matthew 5:44, Jesus says, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." This can be tough, but praying for those who offend us can help us let go of negative feelings and replace them with love and understanding
For more reading, I would suggest the book "Nailed" by David Fitzgerald. The things mentioned here are much more deeper examined
Not sure if its available in English or a digital copy you translate, but i also suggest "Karlheinz Deschner - Der gefälschte Glaube/the faked faith" thanks for your suggestion tho
And his trilogy "Mything in Action" too. Thomas overstated the evidence for Jesus.
I don't understand how finding an older version of part of the bible proves anything. If I found an earlier manuscript of a work of fiction, it wouldn't make any less fiction, would it?
The atheist case is that there was a man “Jesus” however the stores about him were increasingly embellished over time. An earlier manuscript would be a point to discredit that over time “the story” was embellished. In a world where history is not absolute we really on evidence to give us a best case. That’s why an earlier manuscript “strengthens” the Christian position and weakens the atheist one.
@@paulpierce2051 Yes, I suppose that does make some sense, thanks. It's all rather 'clutching at straws' though, given the complete lack of any actual evidence.
It would make a difference to people who know what they are talking about.
@@bradleymosman8325 Please explain how exactly. I have had a good answer from Paul Pierce incidentally.
@@paulpierce2051 Well, to be fair, I think an earlier manuscript attesting to an extraordinary fact about Jesus would strengthen the Christian position; say a witness account of a miracle. An earlier manuscript "in the Tacitus (or uninterpolated Josephus) style", or even something that could be identified with Q (the supposed 'common source' to Matthew and Luke), but only attesting to the 'existence' and 'teaching' parts of Jesus's story would actually strengthen a contrary position (not necessarily atheist - plenty of religious people who claim Jesus was only a man).
Okay you convinced me. Caesar did ascend into the sky, and become a god.
Pizza, Pizza.
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And by the logic of "mundane is likely because it is mundane" Hercules was a real person and so was Osiris, since they were claimed to be real by many followers who felt assured.
@@letsomethingshine A lot of Greek myths are probably, and in some cases like with the Dorian invasion, definitely 'based' on real history. Who knows, there could have been some king Herakles, just like the line of Tantalus could have been real kings. It is hard to tell how much is based on truth, mixed, and outright made up, like with the Kings of Rome and the stories surrounding them. With oral traditions, especially those about kings before the area of decent documentation, there probably is a seed of truth in there, but it is surronded by made-up stuff.
Gotta love stories being retold and changed. For instance, it was "Flavor-Aid" not Kool-Aid at Jonestown. 🎉
This channel's name is perfect in its imperfection.
Another great video, thank you.
We have Washington’s descendants living among us, and can trace their DNA back to him…Washington is one of the most common Black surnames.
So old George liked woman of colour, just like one of my boys.
Because Washington was a slave owner, and the slaves of a family got the same surname as their owners.
@@florian8599 Little wonder the US has more than just a few race issues.
@@mitseraffej5812 - famous BRITISH actor Benedict Cumberbatch has an embarrassing skeleton in the closet. His ancestors were slavers. Many black folks in the West Indies today have the surname of Cumberbatch.
@@benjalucian1515 Then we all do. Going back in time far enough we would all find a few sinister characters from among our ancestors.
*sigh* If I showed this to some of my relatives, they would most likely respond with " The devil destroyed the evidence".
The Devil doesn’t exist either.
@@oriongear2499call out to him
@@oriongear2499exactly 😂
Mine too their motto is if you can't blame my invisible friend blame my invisible enemy
My mum and aunts thinks the devil planted dinasour bones and fossils
@@Shaz-gq7pvGod bless your mom.
I've long said that Jebus was not a very nice person if you really look at the things they said he were saying in the gospels nevermind The Book of Revelation. Him talkin about dividing families and you basically had to drop everything you were doing in life to follow him, one of the hallmarks of a cult leader because it's all about them, him cursing Samaritan Villages for not accepting his apocalyptic BS. And how he said those who do not believe in me bring them to me so he could homicide them himself. So no if he even existed he was not a very nice person and he was no more than a first-century Galilean cult leader. They came a dime-a-dozen. After all you had Apollonius of Tyana, Simon Magus, Honi the Circle Maker etc etc.
Praise Jebus
Even the whole "turn the other cheek" wasn't peaceful. In Roman times, that was a crime IF you're slapped twice. So no, it wasn't for peace, it was for the person to be "charged" for a crime, not much different when a person waits to be hit first so they can claim self defense when they hit back.
I grew up in church and hated every second. There's this god, a psychopath, and I have to worship him? Hell no (no pun intended, lol!) I faked being a Christian to get everyone off my back.
He takes after his Father then? A narcissistic, genocidal, sociopath.
@@DruncanUK So TRUE! Mental gymnastics to have to ignore all the evil nonsense in that Fictional Bible... Goatherders Guide to the Universe
Well, actually everyone else made it about him, Jesus in the bible appears to be all about others. I would assume the actual reality of the situation with the life of the person or people which the biblical Jesus was inspired by had similar intentions minus the supernatural abilities.
This is the first of your videos that I've watched and as someone raised in a fundamentalist Church of Christ, but have since dismissed all of those beliefs, this video is great and made me an instant subscriber. Great work!
I was also raised and left CC. My parents think I'm going to hell now 😂 funny thing is, we live in a small town with around 10 CC's. If I chose to go to one that they didn't go to, they would still believe that I'm going to hell. 😂
The only thing I loved about CoCs was singing hymns in church. But of course I could never be a damn song leader because me being a woman and all foh 😂 and they wonder were all the youth went
Well reasoned, presented, and researched. I appreciate the tone and delivery of this especially. If you want to bring this kind of topic up with people who have incorporated their faith into their personal identity, it must be done this way. Any aggression or derision in your tone or word choice just raises hackles and shuts them down. Excellent work.
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
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No, it shouldn't be done this way because it's wrong. There WAS such a person.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
I agree I can't even speak to humans without having the cops called sooo.... Yes tone matters to the utmost.... THis Kool aid guy is smart and was made for this!
@@1Impossibleguy you stuck your finger in poop? Or did I misinterpret the message?
Hey, there are supposed to be 6 Replies here, but I see only 2. Where’s the evidence for the other four?
I agree with you that this presentation is excellent. However, I WISH I could find a comment from someone whose mind was changed as a result. I’m gonna keep looking, but will probably never find my way back to this location. (Now…. when you consider how easy it is to lose the thread of TH-cam comments, extrapolate yourself back to the days when telling Jesus narratives was done exclusively via word of mouth.)
Anyway, my impression is that most of the comments are from people already skeptical about the topic. In most cases, if you challenge someone’s narrative, you’ve declared yourself to be the enemy, at which point there are no more rules of engagement. Anything goes.
“I’m on my knees,
One question please,
Will the real God please stand up” -Todd Rundgren
To Tell The Truth game show of the 60s ?
so every human who ever lived stands and there right except todd
Ex seminarian here. Studied from 1964-1969. We were discussing this even back then. It's where all the "faith" was supposed to take over. I guess I just didn't have enough to sustain me.
True faith would have sustained you in ANY religion. It is TRUE SKEPTICISM that is the only thing that is capable of sustaining you in the the truth by removing you from the falsehoods (but lies can be useful tools, religious hypocrites know this all too well).
The cost of Faith is switching-off your brain's inherent capacity to discern when you are just being conned.
In one sense, Faith is very cheap - you just decide to simply stop thinking ... but that decision can cost you very dearly in the long run.
People have brains so that we don't need to rely on Faith.
Faith is a belief in the absence of evidence. Delusion is maintaining a belief despite evidence.
Your channel is so sorely needed in our society today. Too many have been lead in the wrong direction by this fictional tale in derogatory of the worship of The Allfather. Thank you for retrieving those who are lost in the wilderness.
Hail odin
@@amberharmsen2497he from 63rd
Relieving them to what? Anarchy?
Great video. As an atheist in the United States I’ve been frustrated with how prevalent this stuff still is.
It makes me think, if an apocalyptic event occurs, when people find Harry Potter books, 3 generations later people would take that pretty serious- with people claiming where Hogwarts really is.
Lol! Well said👍
Huh. I've been studying UFO literature lately, for a research project. And I've been struck by how similar UFO belief in America is to a religion. With the Roswell Crash as its Crucifixion-like inciting incident, that crashed saucer its Holy Grail for which people search, and the hoped for Disclosure as its Rapture, when everything is rewritten and a new world is born.
Most of the actual experiencers of the event are dead now. We have to rely on the stories of those who knew them. And they, too, will soon be gone. Believers will just have to take it on faith that "something crashed in the desert near Roswell in 1947 that changed everything."
@@kirstencorby8465 Except, aliens are more likely to be real. Plus we have tons of documents, photos, and videos pertaining to UFOs. Where as the bible is a compilation of stories from thousands of years ago that people take too literally.
@@JakeSommer Those are like the relics of the saints that get miraculously preserved. Yes, they are there and there is something tangible but the believers think that a body got mummified because of divine intervention and not a concurrence of natural factors exactly like people that see a blurry picture of a flying object see aliens even if it's easily debunkable.
but chef dont be so sure of anything . quantum scientist alreadyproven you wrong who created many worlds theory everthing is computercode nothings real youcould say ok simulation proven real but we think were in first world reality einstein said were in smooth but later been proven were actualluy in pixulated
Well done.
You’re preaching to the choir with me bec I was raised with all of this skepticism- you overcame a lifetime of dedication to get here. I love this. I can’t imagine the pain that came with leaving your prior life.
@@revan552 👊🏻
Yup and they are still so easily offended, and call you out for showing the least bit of frustration with their inability to separate fact from faith and what is lost because of this
the difference between the biographies of jesus and the writing of the names of historical kings, is that the gospels are in fact the creation of a mythological figure. there are numerous stories of greek and egyptian deities that existed for thousands of years prior to christianity and islam, and masses believed those stories to be true.
14:22 "What was their bias?"
It's my understanding that the earliest surviving copy of Josephus was made by a scribe/monk in an Irish monastery, several centuries after Josephus lived. The scribe would have been writing in the context of an entirely Christian society and political structure, which was not the case for Josephus. Given the centuries that passed and the radical change in society/politics, how reliable can we consider the work of that scribe? If we have other *independent* copies of around the same period, but written in circumstances where the same motivations would not have been present, that would help. But we don't.
It's a hypothetical.
Say I'm trying to figure out if Joe Schmoe was real. I find 15 people who "knew" him. Before engaging with each of the 15, it helps to know motives.
Maybe 8/15 have something to gain by Joe being a real person, ergo, they would more than likely be influenced by a personal bias.
You took a very broad idea and centralized and focused the application on the overall topic. In other words, he's saying to 'know' the source.
Would A be biased?
Maybe 3/15 are alcoholics and known liars.
Well, by process of elimination--
Joe's Witnesses:
8/15 are Bias.
3/15 are not Credibile Sources.
Meaning you *had* 15 witnesses, but only four are viable to actually listen to.
@@midnytemassacre actually you should still listen to all just take it with a grain of salt
@@lassehoffmann625
Yeah, certainly, but to present as evidence to someone else to assert your position, *by default* the one hearing the argument can by those grounds 'ignore' them outright and equally there's nothing wrong with that.
This is a very interesting video, and if my parents ask me again why I am choosing not to be catholic, I'll probably show them this. Thank you for making it easier to explain things in a simple video form. Keep up the great work! :)
Have them study the relationship between their church and Hitler
And the absence of info on Jesus is just the tip! The religion itself is screwed up. Married popes, touchy priests, abused natives, torture/death sentences, wars, the list goes on...
The problem is that easy answer, simplified & cut parts of truth, with stretching and twists are not the same as a scientific, historic analysis.
If you don’t like Catholicism, seek God and the spirit regardless. Religion has been plagued by the Romans and human insolence
@@PjotrII Whose truth?
The name Jesus (or Yeshua) was very common in ancient Israel. I think it's perfectly possible that the biographies of several people called Jesus (like the prophet Jesus Ben Ananias who was tortured by the Romans) got mixed up. This may have happened accidentally. It was virtually impossible to check information when the gospels were written (it was an age without the internet or mass media after all), so the writers of the gospels may simply have been confused.
God said in Quran about Jesus (peace be upon him):
" And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]. That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]." (Quran 3:42-43)
" [And mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God ].
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God ; He creates what He wills.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.(Quran 03:45-49)
"[Mention] when God said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."(Quran 3:55 )
Shrooms confuse a lot of people.
@@aymen577the Quran is a plagiarized version of Christianity which itself contains a lot of plagiarized stories from past religions. Quoting any of these books is like citing from a Disney book to prove its contents true. It can’t be done. They are all man made and man edited to control people usually women more than anyone.
Like the stories of Robin Hood deriving from the acts of several different men across England with similar acts of rebellion against the king and/or his royal subordinates.
That would be pretty cool, basically passing down from one Jesus to another.
Hmm, I have been reading Richard Carrier’s book on the historical Jesus, and I have to admit that even his existence is in doubt. This shocked me a little. What shocked me even more was Bart Erhman dismissing him out of hand. Erhman’s reasons for this dismissal contained uncritical assertions that Erhman, himself, has levelled at Christian scholars. Habermas is worse than even Erhman. Carrier, however, seems to be scrupulously detached about assessing the evidence. I am now of the opinion that Jesus’ very existence is questionable. Who would have thought?
My research to prove Jesus’ existence is what dealt the Death Blow to my Christian Faith just a few years ago
Lmao I feel you
How are you holding up?
Same.
Congratulations on your emancipation!
Exact same thing happened to me: Quest to prove that the gospel authors were eyewitnesses ended up with me becoming an agnostic atheist.
They can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong. So brilliant and concise
You speaking for this Jewish imaginary been in your head and supertious claims that never happened evil genocidal racist maniac from the zionist bible. Imaginary been never ever speak for itself but only in people heads always in the heads. Extraordinary claims for your imaginary been who never existed need Extraordinary evidence.
Inaccurate. There can in fact be , and is 1 truth.
This world is covered in delusion. Even the most basic concepts get corrupted. Trust your intuition.
They indeed cannot all be "Winners" but they can all be "Weiners" LOL
Hot dog!
@NoWon1223
:::ding ding ding ding ding!:::
Thanks for your," due diligence", on a subject, I find perplexing, in the 21st century. Your thoughtful analysis , and breakdown of the facts are refre, and refreshing, and on the mark ! Good job !!
Belief in George Washington doesn't hold the (probably empty) promise of eternal life, therefore Christians will accept biblical claims of Jesus' existence and divinity with the flimsiest of evidence.
No. The belief in George Washington doesn't get me to believe all of the stories about him, and I certainly won't use the existence of a cherry pie to prove George Washington existed.
@@rudra62 But why would you anyway? George had 2 human parents, he wasn't his own father and he never promised everlasting life for the American people. So who cares if he ever existed, LOL! But if someone DOES fulfill those criteria you better believe no matter what because otherwise what hope do you have to go on living after you die? :-)
@@destronia123 I have subjective evidence and reports that cherry pies are heavenly. :) I am certain that cherries exist.
Even the cherry tree that George Washington allegedly chopped down had two (cherry) parents. Same as the fig tree that Jesus allegedly cursed for not bearing fruit out of season.
Parthenogenesis is theoretically possible, never observed in humans, where someone could have one parent - but that person would be female. Does not apply to any story about either Jesus or George.
....Although some children born now in some ways have more than 2 human parents. E.g., One woman has her eggs harvested, some are fertilized through sperm - husband's or donor's - implanted by a human doctor in a different woman, who is legally the child of the woman-who-bore them's husband. Or, there are more complicated methods of gene editing where an egg can be made by 2 or 3 women - none of whom may be the one who becomes pregnant. Yeah, off topic.
13:50 "unless there's some strong reason to doubt it" ... you mean, like, if the story about this king said that he was born of a virgin, rose from the dead, performed miracles, fathered himself, and was both god and the son of god? That kind of strong reason?
You have said something but you don't understand
I have watched lots of your presentations, but this one will stand out as one of the most rational that you have ever made. Well done.
Really? I found myself responding to this stuff on the fly while watching because of how and it is.
@@anunknownentity1637 What were your response(s) and why?
@@Ramon51650 well I'd have to write an essay as a full response to an 18 minute video would take forever to type out. Here is one example. He talked a bit about the manuscript history and its supposed unreliability. He says that are earliest manuscripts come decades later. And I agree but that isn't shocking considering most manuscripts of ancient texts come centuries later. Tacitus wrote in the first century but our earliest manuscript of his comes from the 9th century. And similar responses on all manuscript material. Things that may seem really damning for the Bible on the surface actually promote its reliability. As I pointed out with Tacitus, our first manuscripts of most ancient sources are much, much, much later. These manuscripts also commonly come in just fragments. The earliest complete New Testament comes 300 years after the original composition. That may seem really bad, until you realize that it is better than any other writing in history. Essentially if these facts force us to throw out the Bible then we throw out almost all ancient history. There is more to speak on and if you want a response to a specific section I will attempt to give it to you.
@@anunknownentity1637 So your thinking is that regardless how far removed a document (manuscript) is removed from the occurrence, it is still better than no manuscript at all, regardless of transcription and possible translation (ex:Aramaic to Greek)?
@@Ramon51650 well of course something is better than nothing. That much is obvious. My point was that on the basis of manuscript evidence the New Testament is earlier and more attested than any other work of ancient history.
Thanks!
just a call out for doing a great job and for helping me learn the true nature of Christianity and how I can no longer take it
at face value. I am proud of being skeptical and can now see the fallacy of a believe in the god of Abraham. I am now on the side of Freedom from religion because pf people like you....keep up the good work.
You should honestly read History for atheist blog and his yt channel lol
All hail the flying Spaghetti Monster!!!
It seems there are 3 gods to Abraham,how much do you know about them?
Glad to hear I could help. Keep learning and exploring. The journey is just beginning. :)
@@kerianhalcon3557 oh wow, did you come up with that on your own.
Is it just me, or is Thomas looking more and more like renaissance Jesus with every new video?
Lol I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking that.
Charles Manson
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! 😜🤣😂😂👍
Yeah, that frazzled curliness is not gonna move a lot of hair product units... Superb content, though. As always.
@@borisselioutsky7877 Yes, his videos are well researched, and presented.
This was really well presented and I think the first time I have ever heard all of these things put together in such a clear and concise manner. Well done sir!
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Jesus said:"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons.." -Matthew 7 How did that "man" know that more than 2 thousand years AFTER HE DIED; ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, There are so "Many" christian religions today, doing exactly what He prophesied more than 2000 years ago.
"Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning" -Isaiah 46
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The guy in this video IS jesus, testing our faith. Look at those cheekbones!! What an honour, if you read my comment Jesus, this video is just what I needed right now. My sister is in a terrible place with her addiction issues. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. What an honour to find you here on TH-cam. My heart is warm tonight. Subscribed.
I legit can't tell if you are being serious or nah
Gross
@@friendlyneighborhoodgaymanI’m being completely honest with you here dude, like actually serious: if you can’t tell that that person is joking, then you’re fucking stupid.
Please learn what a joke is. God damn bro, it’s like people have never encountered internet culture or sarcasm. It’s crazy.
More than an article of faith
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uh, can you please send me your sister's phone number? 😒
I actually appreciated how respectful and contained this whole response to Jesus/Bible/Christianity was!
Especially its clarity and logic
It is interesting how differently we can view things. I see the video as uttermost simplified, picking one or two things, generalizing them, simplifying things... for example he claims we KNOW eyewitness testimony is TERRIBLE... ok let me stop there! TERRIBLE was a word he chose to make make it look like the argument he makes is true. But what if we changed it to "Eyewitness testimony is not perfect". If it was TERRIBLE, the police would not use it in investigations... because it is TERRIBLE.
Now, if we follow him, it would mean that OTHER eyewitness testimonies in history were ALSO terrible... what all things in our "known" history would change if we looked at any old text through those lenses? So while no historian claim the info is perfect, I know of NONE who claim that it is terrible.
This is neither CLEAR or LOGICAL.
@@PjotrII 100%!!
You make a very valid point Pjotrll!
As a practicing convicted Catholic, I believe that the Gospels and Epistles are historically accurate and reliable, and I believe in everything they teach but I appreciated the respect of his disagreement! It stayed focused on his arguments and wasn't an ad hominem or other fallacies, he stayed consistent in his arguments even though I disagree with his conclusions.
Just because an argument is good though doesn't mean it's true!
@@johnathanblauw2608 Thank you for your reply. I believe that the gospels are genuine human stories, collected, to tell what they experienced.
They may include some misunderstanding, memory errors (as with the events after Jesus death - like how many angels, who went to the grave) but those are common witness errors out of our limited memory.
My own experience of this video is still negative. And I want to be clear... I am not against critical analysis of religion, the bible etc... on the contrary - but my demand is that it stays scientific or if philosophical, then fair and objective.
The problem with social media is that anyone can claim anything.
Let me add one more thing from the video. It starts by a fragment found in some mummy mask in 2011.
As a Christian following science, archaeology, theology relating to it on a monthly (weekly) basis, I HAVE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS "MUMMY FRAGMENT".
If this was a real issue, debate, find, archaeological top discovery... I would have stumbled upon it. I never had... this video was the first time EVER I heard about it. All other kinds of discoveries have popped up, not this one.
OK, one known Daniel Wallace (mentions it) and Scott Carroll.
"The hype was so high" ... like I said, i have never even heard about it!
Here is a plausible explanation (from textandcanon.org).
Egypt Exploration Society (EES) had UNPUBLISHED text fragments. Someone working for them had offered to SELL some fragments to GREEN family (mentioned in the video). But EES is NOT allowed to sell UNPUBLISHED fragments.
120 text pieces are missing from EES, and police investigation ongoing. Someone wanted to make money on them, working for EES.
Dr Dirk Obbink (a super expert) had in fact dated the papyri to 1st century AD at some point... this news spread to SOME scholars. Later the papyri was dated to a later date.
Carroll who was working for GREEN did not have/get access to the papyri as it was owned by EES.
"Christians now had the best proof ever"
Again the video is suggesting that this was SOOOO important and SOOO many scholars were SOOOO excited.
This was one small mistake, a hasty conclusion based upon a REAL super specialists hasty dating of a papyri.
This was not a cornerstone in the Christian faith. As I said, I had never even heard about it.
I see this as a strawman! An attempt to use one intentionally misrepresented position to try to defeat arguments for Christianity.
4 min 30 seconds is used for this strawman.
Next he makes an unjust comparison between evidence for George Washington who lived in the 18th century and became a president, to a peasant living 2000 years ago. If we compared evidence for Jesus to OTHER people of the similar time and status, they will have LESS evidence... and that is why the apologists say we have a LOT (which is true for that category).
and more follows....
The book of Mark was the first gospel written and it’s interesting for what not in “Mark’s” story. No immaculate conception, no nativity, no wise men. Mark starts with an adult Jesus being baptized by John. Then after John’s execution Jesus becomes the leader of John’s followers. That’s pretty believable. I can buy what Mark is selling up to that point. Jesus is a regular guy who was conceived the regular way who became a follower of John. But I can see why later gospel writers felt they had to Jesus’s Origin story more godlike.
You’re a regular Bart Ehrman, you know your stuff. Although Q might predate Mark.
Also it’s very interesting that in Mark, Yeshua’s dying words are “My god, my god, why have you forsaken me?” Those aren’t the words of a man who is confident that god is on their side. Those are words of regret and fear, and anger. In Luke his dying words are “Father into your hands I commit my spirit”. Those are the words of a man who trust god, and knows everything will work out for the best. John, Yeshua’s dying words are, “It is finished”, those are the words of a man who sees his death as a sacrifice that serves a greater purpose. I am more than willing to bet that the historical Yeshua’s dying words were closest to Mark and Mathew’s account.
@@walmartpimp2 I'm impressed you know about Quelle... just so casual readers here don't think you're referring to the Star Trek "Q" ...
@@wherezthebeef Thanks for clearing it up to people reading our correspondence. I watch Dale Martin's New Testament Yale courses here on TH-cam, and follow Bart Ehrman as well. Tell me what you think of my theory. I believe Yeshua was an Essene, born and raised in Nazareth. He began to follow John the Baptist, after John's execution he inherited his followers, he probably was a charlatan that performed simple parlor tricks, and was most likely aware of the messianic prophecies and tried his best to conform to them (riding a donkey, claiming he was a descendant of David). I believe that after he was crucified his brother James took over the movement, and eventually Paul hijacked the movement and may have been in cahoots with the Claudian Dynasty or Flavian Dynasty.
@@walmartpimp2 and who exactly was there to write down those words?
I’m a life long atheist, 64 years and counting. I’ve watched a lot of these kinds of videos and of course the Four Horsemen and other noted atheists as well as read all their books and have read the Bible several times. I stumbled across a link and have watched several of your videos. You’re very good, I love the history (actually all history) and the talking points. Gotta keep my mind sharp. I officially turned you over to all my atheist family members and atheist friends and all my atheist web sites and discussion apps (like Quora) with a big thumbs up 👍. I especially like that you promote education before all else. I told my grandkids in their early teens that it was best to get some education before you start calling yourself anything. Especially an atheist. That’s like wearing a tag that says “I’m an atheist, debate me, debate me”. Once you put a label on it, you’ll be called on to defend you’re position and nothing is more embarrassing than not having a clue but you don’t realize it until you’re in a debate and made a fool of. I like your perspective as a former Christian. Maybe you, better than a lifelong atheist like myself, can get across to some Christian’s that we’re really not out to “get them”. We just want to protect our rights too. Thanks for your work. It’s worthy.
I pray for you
@@morrisconnor8305 Keep praying to your imaginary being, it's not going to do a thing.
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Don't bother! That goes for me too.
@@morrisconnor8305 Why? Not being awkward but honestly why? If your god ( you chose the right god I am presuming) he has a plan. If he has a plan then it does not matter what you or I or anyone asks for his plan is perfect and infallible and he will not be changing it for you or anyone.. No, praying is an act of desperation, want, need and desire. born out of fear of being sent to the wrong place. So you are living a life of blackmail and coercion begging your capricious mass murdering, sexist,jealous slave promoting god for something and worshipping this evil entity and forgiving him for all the evil terrible things the bible claims he has done to his children. Any parent /guardian doing 1 millionth of these things would be sent to prison and quite right too.
There are only 144,000 places in heaven and only for the chosen people ( 12 tribes of Abraham) Jesus came not to change the laws but to uphold them so you cant say that is the old testament and it is no longer valid.... You see most of us atheists have read the bible properly and that is why we are Atheists.
So. I ask again... why pray?
@@paulbennett7021 Or as Christopher Hitchens said when someone said I pray for you. He replied: "Then I will think for you!"
You are doing the good work! The kids gotta hear the truth, when I was younger I was told that the bible was a rock solid document with historical foundations and tons of evidence, as I learn how shakey and insubstantial it is, I am horrified.
The good work is sharing the Gospel so that others may know the love of the Father in Heaven. They will know they have a purpose in life in serving the Lord, as there isn’t much of one without God. The Bible is a history book that has been around for thousands of years. It was written during the very eras its words speak about. Hopefully, you don’t think someone just made up all those chapters of detailed genealogical records which are written in books like Chronicles. I would encourage you to look up a man named Lee Strobel, a former atheist who sought out to disprove Christianity. His research actually led him to become a believer and write a book called “The Case for Christ.” Sorry, if this reply seems a little all over the place, but there’s just so much to talk about.
God said in Quran about Jesus (peace be upon him):
" And [mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed God has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, be devoutly obedient to your Lord and prostrate and bow with those who bow [in prayer]. That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]." (Quran 3:42-43)
" [And mention] when the angels said, “O Mary, indeed God gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to God ].
He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is God ; He creates what He wills.
When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is. He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of God.(Quran 03:45-49)
"[Mention] when God said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to God alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ."(Quran 3:55 )
Oh okay, do you want to learn why you’ve been an idiot?
@@LukeSportsnope.
@@SilentSiDA Yes
This is an extremely thought-provoking video. Questioning everything down to the bare-bones facts has always been what I’ve lived for. The comparisons are stellar and you presented all the evidence well. This is the first time I’ve watched any of your videos and I immediately subscribed, I’d subscribe twice if I could
AND, by stating that you'd subscribe twice, you also display the beginnings of the tendency that is common to people who "want to" follow trends and imaginations which eventually morph into cults and belief-systems. No offense, as I am sort of kidding, yet believe that critical examination is key to remain neutral.
“He did magic floaty stuff”. Nice!
@Jesus Christget a cult following and maybe you can be a deity in a few centuries...
Oh you already did that?..
Guess you need a new bucket list...
@Jesus Christ that depends.. do you get to count each year, or only 1/3 of one, since it's split 3 ways?
¡Gracias!
Thank you! Sorry I didn't see this before, but I really appreciate your donation.
My pleasure!
As a former Christian I need to say we don't learn anything about the truth of the religion itself other than what others would have us believe and we become indifferent to ask what should be asked
Speak for yourself, the Holy Spirit was never within you to begin with, nevertheless it’s not too late to come home.
You don't need to know truth or understand when you have faith! Or, as some teachers would tell the kids during story time, "Use your make-believe."
@@Glory_be_to_Christ This is the type of dismissive gaslighting that Christians do to others. This is why there is no point wasting time on them or their belief system. So many other things to do with life.
Christianity is for making money for the Preacher and above .
guys, we have various types of evidence that proves the Bible. hit me up if you're interested
Hah! Did anyone else catch the scene from "Life Of Brian" (Monty Python classic) at the 11:24 mark? Great movie. It actually does a great job of demonstrating how someone can become a cult leader (without even trying!).
I assumed everyone did.
It even explains why Jesus sometimes said he wasn’t the messiah and other times said he was
It the recent vernacular, Life of Brian aged well !
@@markallen8022 Well jesus didnt actually write the bible so 🤷🤷. Unless the writer was actually there, thats not even the case with majority of authors 🤷.
Life of Brian-a classic!! It's on my short list. Maybe I'll watch it tonight. It's only been 34 years...dang. pretty sure I have no underpants as old as that anymore!
As a ceramic artist going commando as a hairy potter has a fundamental elegance about it... Aye Aye capin'
Major Pun-over & out!
Okay, bye!
How many gospels were rejected by Constantine? I love how I'm told to take Jesus on faith, that He is objectively true when the bible has 4 versions of his life that differ in some ways. So his life is subjective and therefore not a set thing.
The Gospel of Thomas is likely older than any of the gospels in the NT, which makes sense because it's still really Jewish in character. It's ironically probably more accurate to what Jesus's teachings would have been than anything in the Christian Bible.
Taker68.
Constantine had NOTHING to do with accepting or rejecting gospels.
He called the Council of Nicea, which he didn't actually participate in, which was concerned solely with how Jesus was divine. That council condemned Arianism, which held that the Son was created by the Father, and was not co eternal with the Father.
Don't get your history from the DaVinci Code.
@@vercingetorix3414 Well damn me for not knowing all of history already. Well some damned F-er left books out of the Bible back then. Whoever that MFer was is who I'm talking about. OK?
@@taker68 Not knowing is not the problem. It's posting something as fact that you admit you do not know to be true.
We all lack knowledge, but we all don't post falsehoods as if we know what we are talking about.
@@vercingetorix3414 I'm just a guy posting on the internet, not a journalist or someone with their own YT channel. If I make a mistake, I'd hope someone would politely point it out instead of calling me dumb. I have a better than average knowledge of history but I don't know it all. If you manage to stop all mistakes on YT, you must do it as a full time job. I didn't get my info from a stupid film that I never saw.
Came across this video by just zapping through Y.T Videos and start watching it non-stop till the end, and I must say I found it one of the most conclusively informative and thought provoking (if and when you watch and listen to what is being shown and said) videos I have ever watched, good work👍
I love these videos. Makes me feel like I am not crazy for not trusting religion
Trust in God, not in man.
@@writtenhousesecurity6499 the point of the video is proving that there is no reason to believe there even is a god, let alone trust them over hard science
@@crendler9912 😂😂 How is the world doing with man's science that you believe in ? 🤔🤔
@@writtenhousesecurity6499 do you realize that are in this position mostly because of religion? It is the christians who deny science most of the time. It is the christians who deny climate change. It is the christians who spread misinformation.
Science has led us into a future where people can have much higher standards of living. It also gives us the opportunity to correct our mistakes. Christianity keeps us stuck in the past. Did you know most secular nations are considerably better off than religious nations?
Religion is at fault for how the world is doing, not science.
@@writtenhousesecurity6499 how is the world doing with mans magic fairy you belive in ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A very logical, cogent and well articulated presentation.
doesnt mean true does neatness count teacher? does that make it true teacher neatness always counts counts more than effect?
@@alane6975 What has neatness got to do with it? I merely stated that the arguments put forward were persuasive, rational and well communicated.
@@localbod the problem is merely
@@alane6975 You're obviously trolling me.
Goodbye.
@@localbod sorry i agree i just meant to me anything anyone says are just woords like mine not ness true
The thing a lot of religious people don't take into account is even if historical Jesus existed it doesn't mean he was God/the son of God.
I usually use the Danish king Christian the 4th.
We can safely assume he lived, but there are stories about him where he has super human powers which we dismiss as nonsensical.
We need to apply this to historical Jesus as well.
A Christian friend once told me I should be a Jesus believer because ... the Santa Claus myth was based on a real person - a nice Bishop called Saint Nicholas who gave out presents. 😲
Which was possibly the most stupid attempt imaginable to convert me. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pauligrossinoz did you remind him that Santa Claus is an amalgamation of different characters from different cultures?
@@MGC-XIII - to be quite honest ... I was speechless.
I was just a teenager back then, and I wasn't so ready to contradict my friend over something he was passionate about.
@@MGC-XIII - I had another friend who told me, in all seriousness, that evolution must be false because if evolution was true we would all live forever.
Again, the stupidity of the claim just left me speechless.
Which was yet another case during my teenage years that I didn't want to contradict a friend, so I just left it alone.
A good one to use for miracles is Emperor Vespasian. He was said to have performed miracles similar to Jesus, the fun thing about this example is that those miracles are recorded by Tacitus, a historian whos mentions of Jesus in his works, Christians often cite as proof of his historicity. If you believe Tacitus proves Jesus, you also have to believe Emperor Vespasian healed a blind man by spitting on him.
hello! i’m in the process of understanding my faith as a Christian more and more and this video has been a great one to pick my brain with, i’m subscribed! as i’ve begun digging and just analyzing different videos, my temporary standings are as follows: the Bible has been such a circulated piece of text that i’d say it’s possible things may have been changed or context is just completely thrown out the window, leading to misinterpretation and as you mentioned, over exaggeration of certain events. i agree (obviously lol) that Jesus did exist and i think there’s something to be said about how prosperity preachers, cult leaders, and just regular people tainting the image and teachings of Jesus. that said, with the question you posed near the end, i guess the draw to Jesus (based off of the Bible) for me is the balance between His teachings and the allusion to Him being God.
He stood up against pharisees and people who discriminated against other “less-faithful/religious” people, not as just a chill guy from nazareth, but the son of God. to which He then, taught people to love one another. of course His other main commandment, loving God with your everything, was also there but it was tied in with the love we are commanded to give to each other. once again, not just as a teacher and chill dude, but as the son of God.
again, historians as well as science don’t have too much to hold onto as far as the divinity goes, along with even the things i mentioned in that last paragraph haha. but while there isn’t a whole lot there we can physically point to, i guess that’s just where the faith comes in. wonderful video! excited to see more :)
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I liked most of your comment . . . *_(more or less)_* . . . but when you said this at the end, . . *_"but while there isn’t a whole lot there we can physically point to"_* . . . I am assuming you are referring to the 𝓓𝓲𝓿𝓲𝓷𝓲𝓽𝔂 of 𝓙𝓔𝓢𝓤𝓢 𝓒𝓗𝓡𝓘𝓢𝓣, correct? . . . There is a very good reason that 𝓙𝓔𝓢𝓤𝓢 𝓒𝓗𝓡𝓘𝓢𝓣 purposely downplayed that aspect of 𝓗𝓘𝓜𝓢𝓔𝓛𝓕, . . . as I am sure you already know. . . Just as 𝓗𝓔 deliberately would emphasize being the 𝓢𝓸𝓷 of 𝓖𝓞𝓓 instead. . .
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Now that we know what's after the atmosphere, how will they defend the ascension? Or that Voyager 1 caught up with Elijah's chariot (2hp) and passed it around Mars and Enoch midway walking casually through space.
@@joyjones8231 It has a no-terrain drive mode
The say Jesus is still out there floating to this day.
@@HolyKoolaid oh right, almost no one knew or suspected space is mostly empty until… …about 1800 years later.
Or that only a bacteria, a tardigrade, a man with a special suit or habitat (or a hibernating Cleffa) could survive more than a minute out there.
So much for supreme, timeless intelligence.
PS: also Caesar was already dead when deified. And was never emperor, in case anyone asks.
though the fact a comet passed by in the following weeks must have been convenient for propaganda.
PPS : wonder if there’s a controversy on whether or not he did write De Bello Gallico.
I am an atheist but I do like Bret Weinsteins's argument that whilst religion is not literally true, having a society based on that belief structure gives the society an advantage over godless socities. In the case of Islam for example, a proseltizing war based religion is very successful at winning wars over other religious socities, see the recent events in Afghanistan show.. In other words, a religious societies are more succsesful over non religious societies. The englightenment and scientific revolutions have fundamentally changed this fundamentla truth and now our secular societies are more successful. But whether that can last forever remains to be seen.
he got caught on a power line just out of sight and deflated
I like how respectful you are for arguments. We need more channels like this that give credit and discredit. A perfect balance.
Absolutely, you deserve a big thumbs up for objectivity and not being dismissive
The claims they found proof is like me stealing a worn out copy of Mother Goose from a library and saying it proves there has always been an all knowing Anatidae in a bonnet wandering the land spreading goosy wisdom. ALL HAIL THE DOWNY ONE!
is proof subjective
@@alane6975 Nope.
@@roblovestar9159 ask a lawyer
well well well, do i sense a follower of my up and coming cult?
@HolyKoolaid thanks for a video on this. I was going to ask, but I saw you already made some videos on Jesus.
I agree with you that people should question thier faith. 👍
Julius Caesar: I must go the gods need me! *Floats away into the sky*
Random Roman guy 1: By Jupiter! Did anybody else see that?!
Random Roman guy 2: See what? My back was turned....
Random Roman guy1: *facepalms*
😂😂😂
Note: Caesar died on the way back to his home planet
Holy Koolaid: Does Jesus exist?
Looks in mirror.
Holy Koolaid: Oh yeah. I do.
hah right? i was thinking the same thing
Rabbi Tovia Singer: No you don't
God would be the best criminal ever....he leaves no real evidence of anything
@MrWesdotcom And openly admits it, says he enjoyed it - now go find me. You won't. :P
Ahahaha xD
@MrWesdotcom he doesn't murder people since he made us all
The ultimate "I brought you into this world I'll take you out"
@@marcellofunhouse1234 So?
I appreciate you so much! Excellent scholarship, and intelligence when dealing with this subject that is so touchy for too many. I’m not a believer, but I keep all your facts in my back pocket for the next time I find myself talking with one. 😍
I’m a Christian just browsing the internet on historical evidences for Jesus (not anywhere near renouncing my faith by any means just honestly looking to be challenged in my thought process and beliefs) and one thing that stood out to me is when you spoke of men writing history in their favor. Usually fluffing the text making themselves look good. But throughout the Bible it is recorded the MANY MANY mistakes that people made. Saul (later Paul), was a murderer, David committed adultery and murder, I would think the many messed up things that they did would have been recorded differently but it wasn’t recorded that way. Again and again throughout scripture men are doing the worst things and it all comes back to why? Why would they record themselves (or others record about their actions since we don’t know exactly who wrote some of the scriptures) in such a bad light? Why would they make themselves look bad in order to make jesus look good? I suppose you could say that in any cult believers are brainwashed to think of their leader as perfect and without error. Something about the consistency of these men writing about the bad things they have done rarely putting themselves in a good light. Anyways would love feedback if you have. Loved the critical think process here.
Did the Bible record any mistake JESUS made? That's the point here. They only recorded their own sins after repenting.
Electronidus -- the stories in the bible you read aren't people writing about themselves. These are OTHER people writing about them. They can make up anything they'd like. And chances are the people they're writing about are just fictional and serving as morality tales. King David and Solomon were already committing adultery with their 300 wives and 600 concubines and still sleeping with yet other women out of wedlock. Before the Bathsheba event, god didn't have a problem with David doing this. Same with Solomon. He was never condemned by god for his sexual antics. It was his due as king and culturally it was not seen as 'bad'. Abraham knocks up his wife's slave girl, then tosses her and the boy she bore him out in the desert to die so his "legitimate" son can rule. Abraham is not punished for this. Not even considered evil because as a slave owner it's his right to do what he wants to his slaves.
We have no evidence Saul was a murderer (he never called himself Paul). All we have is his word on things. No one else corroborates his actions prior to his religious conversion. So are they true?
Those disciples didn't write the Gospels. They were written by other people much later. What would those other people care about showing the faults of the disciples? Now ask yourself this: can you recall any account of Jesus sinning in the Gospels?
Remember your very own line(Quoted directly from you): "you could say that in any cult believers are brainwashed to think of their leader as perfect and without error"
Agreement between two arrest reports isn't sufficient to convict someone of a crime. You need empirical evidence from outside the reports to support the claims made therein. Without that, it's heresay.
A claim about an event is independent of the fact of the event itself. A report or claim cannot stand by itself as evidence for itself. Caesar's Commentaries On The Gallic War are a report about Caesar's campaign in what is now France against Vercingetorix. We can prove empirically that Caesar existed, that Vercingetorix existed, that a battle was fought at the location described, and we have no reason to believe that Caesar was lying. Caesar also claimed that the gods favored him and let him win the battle. If everything else he wrote wasn't demonstrably false, by the Christian approach to textual analysis, we must also accept that the Roman gods actually exist, and favored Caesar. See the problem? That's not how real historians do textual analysis and archaeology, and Christian history shouldn't be treated any different
@@habe1717Yes but the point is that Jesus was (is) God so of course He couldn't sin. Else you see Him as a cult leader, madman, crazy, or He was saying the Truth.
He proved Himself to me so I will always stand for the truth.
Cult leaders want to gain fame and money, Jesus wanted to love and spread love, much difference.
The Greatest Man in History… Jesus; Had no servants, yet they called Him Master. Had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. Had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He did not live in a castle, yet they called Him Lord, He ruled no nations, yet they called Him King, He committed no crime, yet they crucified Him. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today
"They can't all be right, but they Can all be Wrong." Excellent Point.
Yes, it says so much in just a few words. Powerful!
My family has a signed letter from G Washington when he was a surveyor and surveyed my families property in what is now West Virginia. We don’t have anything signed by Jesus.
One was a famous military general and leader of a country from 250 years ago. The other was a likely illiterate preacher in a backwoods province from 2000 years ago.
@@WildCard-ze3tm - was he? Believers tell me Jesus was a skilled craftsperson who was able to read the Torah and thus should have been able to write if he could read and was not an illiterate poor person.
@@benjalucian1515 Possibly he could read, but it's more likely that he simply had the relevant portions memorized (which was common) and then recited them while looking at the scroll. I don't know how profitable carpentry was, but regardless it is very unlikely that he was a man of any significant power or influence.
@@WildCard-ze3tm -The word was tekton. It means handyman, which could have meant a carpenter, or a stonemason or a builder. And the bible is unclear on whether Jesus was trained in a craft or not. One gospel describes Jesus as tekton. Another gospel says Jesus is the SON of a tekton, not that he himself was one.
Thx for overview. No kool aid for me. I had heard there were many people with the name Jesus living in the same place at the same time, much as there are many people named Nigel living in London today. Could this compilation of stories be from several people named Jesus at that time?