Best that takes some extra talent. Perfect plex, figure four, I've Chokeslamed and powerbombed the odd tweeker... I'm no fighter... They just easy and stops a fight pretty quick
I say the figure four….. bc it actually hurts like hell to one man when laying on your back, and literally hurts like hell to the other man when rolled over
@@sleazyfellownot early in his Mexican career he wanted to be the top star (like everyone else) try to find out about his rivalry with vampiro in Mexico.
I always liked konan as a wrestler and loved seeing him come out to the ring on nitro as a kid and im sure he would have remained humble but he had no reason not to be humble. Brett rightfully was about where the move came from. Great job on both their parts. Hearing this story made me smile. Great job Brett!
The only difference between the way Sting does it compared to Bret. Is Sting starts the move with his right leg and, Bret starts it with his left. Both made huge impacts on the business. I’m a fan of both Sting and Bret. 🙏🏻
@Covisi0n Bret actually sits on your back, leans way back and applies real pressure. Brets move looks as legite as it possibly can. Sting always takes a seated position but leans way forward, making sure to not put any pressure on his opponent. Stings move looks like crap honestly. Even Owen's looked better than stings.
Good of Bret to be honest about where he got the hold from. He saw Sting use it, and asked around and Konan showed him. So Sting had it first. You can argue over who did it best but Sting had it first. One of Bret's signature traits is his integrity. He's no liar. He might be wrong or inaccurate, but not intentionally.
It was never a question of who did it first. There's plenty of video footage existing that establishes who did it first. Anybody who would argue that Bret did it first doesn't know their history at all. Now Bret did do it best.
Noooo, Sting did not have it first! It was invented by the legendary Korean-Japanese wrestler Riki_Choshu. The vast majority of moves that are amazing in Western wrestling were stolen from Japanese wrestlers who were and still are light years ahead of Western wrestlers.
@@9577frasier His tag team finisher was a jumping clothesline, called the Hart Attack. Whenever he wrestled singles matches, his finisher was the pile driver, but almost everyone was using that as a transitional move at the time.
Bret is a good guy. I feel the business misses a man of his integrity and passion. My first big introduction to him was his WWE run in 2010 (ikr?), but having grown up and studied the history of the sport, Bret is one of my all-time favourites. Class personified.
The complete antithesis of Hogan who would have told ya “Brother, I learned the leg drop from Burgess Meredith on the set of Rocky 5 while I was playing bass in Van Halen, Brother”
"I taught Bret Hart how to put on the Sharpshooter, brother! I was in Japan, I was due to work an event that night, I was flying back to the US to rehearse with Metallica and then I'd fly back to Japan, I got a call on the plane from Bret saying, you gotta help me brother, I need a new submission move - so I taught him the same move that I taught Sting which became known as the Scorpion Deathlock, which he got from Japan because I taught the Japanese wrestlers the move!"
Yeah, Brett said this in an interview about 20 years ago, it was in the early 2000s. As a WCW fan I always hated when WWF fans who weren’t even paying attention to southern wrestling until the mid 90s would always try to tell me that Sting stole it from Bret when the southern fans knew that Sting have been using that match for a few years before Brett Hart started his solo career. I’m not saying anyone’s deliberately lying I just think so. Many people think everything great came from the WWF and with Brett Hartz fans it’s pretty much whatever happened happened in Canada and the WWF. But yeah, Brett’s been honest about this for 20 years. I was actually surprised because that interview where he first said it is almost 2 decades old now that there have been so many people over the years that didn’t know the truth about it.
There is an actual reverse figure four that is different than the sharpshooter. Instead of crossing the leg and standing, the wrestler applying the hold steps on his opponents foot and drops down.
Its well known, not just from this interview that Bret got the idea of the Sharpshooter from Sting. What is surprising, is the Konnan part, as back in those days, Konnan was not a big name in the wrestling industry, as he was still working on his craft, and did a bunch of things in Mexico and some in Japan but was a WCW guy as soon it could happen.
The most important thing to Bret was always the respect of his peers over everything else, you can tell he wants to be remembered as a person like how the business looks at someone like Undertaker.
Bret Hart mentioned that he refused to wrestle Curt. I'm curious as to who he's talking about because the only Curt I remember is Curt Hennig and they obviously wrestled each other in that awesome SummerSlam match in 1991 so that couldn't be him.
Yeah Konnan told this story years ago on the Wrestling Observer Radio show, and it was basically the same way Bret told it. It was well over 15 years ago, and at the time Konnan was known for having great interviews with Dave.
Konan was an awesome competitor before he became K-dawg he was in great condition wwf had him under max something or other I think joking the nwo he was not used correctly as far as wrestling goes so he hardly wrestled and it was obvious in his physique but man what a mind and hear for the business definitely deserves more credit for what he’s done just ask Rey Misterio and as you can see in this video Bret Hart I’m sure there are many others.
Max Moon, which was ridiculous. They didn't know how to use him. Even in his nWo Black & White run, he never was all that noticeable. It was during his Wolfpac run when they finally gave him some mic time and realized....oh, this dude can talk. He's also a good blend of the lucha, power and technical styles, which suited him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but smaller than the jacked up bodybuilder types.
...and Sting is still wrestling. It's a shame he missed so much injury time at his peak. He's still in the GOAT conversation, but I feel the Sting = GOAT argument would be a lot stronger if he wrestled more in the mid-late 90s/early 2000s and his WWE run wasn't completely botched. Bret had a long, successful career, but Sting started earlier and has been on top far, far longer. All that said, while I'm the biggest Sting fan, I have to put my bias aside and say that Bret's version of the Sharpshooter/SDL is my favorite of the two. Just something about how Bret locked this opponents legs up that was subtle, but really made it look like there was no escape, whereas sometimes Sting's was so quick the opponent leg positioning could be a bit sloppy. Bret did it the same every time, even against larger opponents.
Bret Hart is a real one foretelling the truth about Conan teaching him the Scorpion Deathlock... and also Bret Hart had the best saying... the best there is... the best there was and... the best there ever will be.
I knew i had seen the Scorpion Death Lock years before Bret started using the Sharpshooter, but i hated saying so because of the backlash I would get. Having an interview where Bret admits it is great, even 30 years later
This all happened at the TV taping for WWF Superstars on 26.03.1991 in Las Vegas, aired on TV 13.04.1991 with Bret wrestling an enhancement match. Konnan was actually there for a dark match try out at that taping, he wrestled a few try out matches in the early 90's and appeared on TV a couple of times as a jobber before getting the Comet Kid gimmick (later renamed Max Moon after he quit the role and was replaced by Paul Diamond). Konnan actually appeared in WCW first teaming with Rey Mysterio in the 1990 international tag tournament and caught the eyes of WWF officials. The stars really aligned for Bret with the only guy who knew how to perform the move correctly being a wrestler there for a dark match that particular night. A chance encounter that led to his most iconic move.
im guessing he didnt want to break up the hart foundation with jim the anvil just to lose to mr perfect.......then they told him he was winning the ic and its buh bye jim
Bret Hart was already retired way before I started watching WWF , i never knew him, but i always hear that he was betrayed the most by WWF. And looking at him he always looks so polite and humble person.
Imagine being Konnan and getting these flowers after all these decades. I've never once heard Konnan brag about teaching Bret that move, but based on K's response to the Hitman, you can tell that getting his credit meant something to him.
Not sure if when Bret says Curt, he means Mr. Perfect. Thought they were friends and Perfect was the guy who wanted to drop the belt to him to give him his push.
He meant Curt but it was nothing personal against him. He mentioned this in his book or another shoot but in his mind he knew at those times that the guys who feuded with the respective champ after Mania always jobbed out to them for the next 2 to 3 months, you wanted to be the guy that was feuding with him around the next PPV cause that was when the belt might be dropped. It was nothing against Curt it was just that Bret had been around long enough to know that he had no chance of beating him if he feuded with him then.
Sting learned it from Riki Choshu while on an excursion in New Japan and Riki isn't even the innovator so it goes back further than both Bret and Sting.
@@blake7871 Yeah to me it's like Undertaker getting love for the tombstone when Dynamite kid did that move like 8 years before him. Bret has the best execution of the move though
@@mrchaotiq That move in Europe was just a regular piledriver, that's how it was performed in Europe, that's not specific to Dynamite Kid it's just how he learned the piledriver in England.
Me personally if I created a finisher move and other wrestlers used it I would be honored that they're using it because it shows that they look up to you as a wrestler
Of course Sting had it first, it’s called the Scorpion Death Lock because it bends your body into the shape of a scorpion. Sharp Shooter is clearly just some random name.
It's interesting to hear he adopted it after Sting had made it famous because when ever a random wrestler has used the move since, announcers refer to it as a sharpshooter, never a scorpion death lock.
depends where you are normally in wwe they call it that but in other places i hear scorpion death lock and as a kid called it that until bret started doing it
I was just watching an Old School episode and Terry Taylor used it in the summer of 88, this was before he was called the Red Rooster. Gorilla said Terry calls it the Scorpion.
Check out a match between The Polish Prince (Col. DeBeers) and Barry Hart (Horowitz) from around 1983. Take note.of the submission hold The Polish Prince used to beat Barry Hart with.
Wasn't Ronnie Garvin using that or something similar in the late 80s in his feud with Greg Valentine? Valentine was using a traditional figure-four and they were having submission matches based on these moves.
So, there you have it. STING did it first. Bret was the better technical wrestler, but Sting's no slouch. He had three big moves, the Stinger Splash, the Scorpion Deathlock, and the Scorpion Deathdrop. Sting was also great at the drop kick for the first 10 or so years of his career. It's a shame there weren't more Bret Hard/Sting matches. Sting was fully capable of putting on a great wrestling match when he was going against anyone with legitimate wrestling skills. Despite being a huge fan of Hulk Hogan, Sting learned how to wrestle and he became a great storyteller in the ring. Of course, no one was better at that than Bret Hart...
This is why I believe in Bret and what he says because he tells it like it is which is also sad that some people get but hurt about the truth he speaks!
it is more than that it is how you have to make the move look painful without it actually being painful. Also how the opponent has to assist in rolling over while looking like he is trying to get out of it there is a lot of stuff you have to be conscious of (bret did) a lot of guys in wrestling have knee issues...how do i get it on and not screw up someone's knee or twist an ankle etc. as kids we absolutely did the same shit but when youre a pro doing it to a fellow pro you have to make sure you dont do anything that may cause that wrestler to get injured (miss dates)
You've seen it done, hundreds, Thousands of times? Bret says he'd seen Sting do it in Japan. This was 1991, WWF schedules were non-stop and if you didn't have it on tape you wouldn't be able to view something. Seems like they had a chat on what move to use, they came up with one and then Bret went to find somebody who knew how to apply it.
Both Ronnie Garvin and Terry Taylor used the move in the WWF before Bret. When Terry used it as the Red Rooster, he called it the Cock of the Walk. Not sure if Garvin gave it a name. Neither used it very long.
@@joshuaa1605 Which is wrong. Adrian Adonis used the move in the WWF in 1985 (Wrestling Classic vs. Dynamite Kid would be an example, Monsoon, stupid as always, called it a "Crucifix Leg Lock"). The next one to use it was Ron Garvin. Sting was either the third or the fourth (Depending on when Terry Taylor used it, nobody is sure)
@ShadowAngel18606 how's it wrong? He literally just said sting used it before him. He wasn't asked to name every single wrestler in history to use it before him lol
Can people try to question this man's character he is the most stand-up guy in wrestling ever and he will always be the best there is the best there was and the best there ever will be
Konana the pride of 🇲🇽 orallllllllllle i remember when he came to lSan Jose Ca for a house show when worlds collide when he had the long hair in braids
It was called the scorpion lock and done by a japanese wrestler and his tag team partner (cant remember who atm as I seen this on a twitch stream playing classic wrestling videos) in the NWA. I remember it being applied to Jerry Lawler. Thats where it was first seen way before Hart or Sting and even Konan.
He definitely stole that from Sting. “I didn’t necessarily steal it from sting”, he says. Meanwhile he calls it the scorpion death lock which is what Sting calls it.
I remember when Sting came to WWE, a commentator yelled out "Hes going for some kind of modified sharpshooter!!!" The other commentator had to do damage control.... 😐 It may have been at Mania when they suddenly used that whole "Last survivor of WCW vs Triple H" angle... 🤔
Yeah it's was Vince's immature ass and ego that let that happen. Vinces still had to disrespect him 20 years later. Sting should have won at WrestleMania yet again it was Vince's ego that had to get that last nail in the WCW coffin. Winning did nothing for HHH as he was a part-timer at the time. All it did was ruin a story that they told for the past few months. I believe in 2001 Sting almost signed with WWE but he saw how the WCW guys where being disrespected and not use as they should have. He didn't trust Vince with the Sting Character so he decided to remain with TNA WRESTLING. IF you remember the vignettes that had the cabin in the woods and it was raining that was supposed to be Stings vignette teasers. Sense he didn't sign they just used The Undertaker as Sting and Taker both wore trench coats it didn't affect the vignettes that were being aired over the months.
Wow Bret admits he stole it from Sting! I knew it. Sting, Shawn Michaels, Sabu and Razor Ramon have always been my favorites and I knew Sting was using it first!!!
in the world of wrestling,... where a slam or a submission are literally defined by subtle differences, such as dropping him forward or backward... or twisting an arm this way or that way.... i wish i never had to see a suggestive thumbnail that questions if sting stole the sharp shooter. he simply didnt. look at the stone cold stunner after diamond dallas page had already been doing the diamond cutter. and not a single one of us in our entire lifetimes has heard 1 person ever say that stone cold stole the diamond cutter.
Invented by Karl Gotch, used by Riki Choshu in Japan. In the US, used by Adrian Adonis, Ronnie Garvin & Sting before Bret had started his singles career.
Popularized by Riki Choshu, but Gotch taught that hold to a lot of his trainees. There are photos of Samson Kutsuwada using the hold 2-3 years before Choshu made his debut.
This makes perfect sense because I honestly have always felt that Konnan was an absolute expert of submissions. Dude uses so many submission holds in the course of his matches, it's nuts.
He's a good blend of lucha, power and technical styles, which fit him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but not the massive bodybuilder type either. Very underappreciated.
@@filmsceneinvestigation Sting didn’t invent the move. It was invented by Karl Gotch in the early 1970s in Japan. Sting wasn’t even the first to use it in North America. Adrian Adonis and Ronnie Garvin both used it before Sting did.
Nash has always been really complimentary and straight up about Brett. He even said he would never let smaller guys do to him the moves Brett did. Said it was cause Brett made it look so good.
Not really, Nash and his friends piled on Bret for years for not taking more money as champion, thus not lifting all tides as it were to make them more money. So, Nash had a big beef with Bret over that.
As long time Bret fan, this is really surprising and informative. Hitman showing a lot of integrity here. Even though he wasn’t the inventor of the move, Bret really made it unique to him. He was the only one I ever saw that would step through with his left foot opposed to his right such as Sting,Owen , Benoit and even Rock(He had the ugliest version lol). Hats off to Bret though.
CM Punk made an even worse one, though it was an attempt at Bret Hart's variation he did not get his leg in right I think it was against Dom, yeah he messed it up and Dom as well@@SiriusV21
@@aoisora1445 There really isn't a variation, it's just a nice way of saying someone is doing it wrong. Whether you step over with your left foot or right foot doesn't make a difference, as they should just result in mirror images of each other. If done correctly, the victim has one leg trapped between your thigh and his other leg, so you're only holding onto one ankle. The Rock grabs both ankles with the same arm, which is very unstable and ugly. Shawn Spears does it a little bit cleaner, but he still crosses the victim's legs in the wrong order, so he winds up holding onto the near leg, not the far leg as he's supposed to, which is still less stable than when it's done correctly.
Sting first used the Scorpion Deathlock in 1987 and Bret Hart would first use it in 1991 when he pursued a solo career. When Sting applies the Scorpion Deathlock, he applies it quick. Bret would apply the Sharpshooter methodically and tight.
Is the Sharpshooter the greatest finisher of all time? Let us know in the comments below!
Best that takes some extra talent. Perfect plex, figure four,
I've Chokeslamed and powerbombed the odd tweeker... I'm no fighter... They just easy and stops a fight pretty quick
I’d say Steiner screwdriver
Greatest submission
better than the leg drop
I say the figure four….. bc it actually hurts like hell to one man when laying on your back, and literally hurts like hell to the other man when rolled over
Fair play to konnan… I’ve never heard him bragging that he taught Bret the sharpshooter… humble guy… & fair play to Bret for telling it as it is…
In the showers
Konnan really helped alot behind the scenes. For Bret and of course the luchadores
@@sleazyfellownot early in his Mexican career he wanted to be the top star (like everyone else) try to find out about his rivalry with vampiro in Mexico.
I always liked konan as a wrestler and loved seeing him come out to the ring on nitro as a kid and im sure he would have remained humble but he had no reason not to be humble. Brett rightfully was about where the move came from. Great job on both their parts. Hearing this story made me smile. Great job Brett!
Konnan was like the Hulk Hogan in Mexico back then...look it up
The only difference between the way Sting does it compared to Bret. Is Sting starts the move with his right leg and, Bret starts it with his left. Both made huge impacts on the business. I’m a fan of both Sting and Bret. 🙏🏻
Sting's also looked lazy as he's just holding on while sitting.. while Bret sold it better by taking his time executing it.
@Covisi0n Bret actually sits on your back, leans way back and applies real pressure. Brets move looks as legite as it possibly can. Sting always takes a seated position but leans way forward, making sure to not put any pressure on his opponent. Stings move looks like crap honestly. Even Owen's looked better than stings.
@@Covisi0n Yeah Bret looked like he cranked it back more.
@@Covisi0n well they didn't call him the excellence of execution for nothing lol
Why wouldn't Bret Wrestle Curt?
Good of Bret to be honest about where he got the hold from. He saw Sting use it, and asked around and Konan showed him. So Sting had it first. You can argue over who did it best but Sting had it first. One of Bret's signature traits is his integrity. He's no liar. He might be wrong or inaccurate, but not intentionally.
It was never a question of who did it first. There's plenty of video footage existing that establishes who did it first. Anybody who would argue that Bret did it first doesn't know their history at all. Now Bret did do it best.
In his book he said he asked “who knows how to do Riki Choshu’s finish?”
Sting did it before Bret, but he didn’t do it first. It was invented in Japan
Japanese did it first... Sting is not that famous as Bret Hart... Bret Hart make it famous the Sharpshooter
Noooo, Sting did not have it first! It was invented by the legendary Korean-Japanese wrestler Riki_Choshu. The vast majority of moves that are amazing in Western wrestling were stolen from Japanese wrestlers who were and still are light years ahead of Western wrestlers.
People honestly forget before the Sharpshooter, the Hitman’s finish was the Piledriver
His finish move was the jumping clothesline
@@9577frasier His tag team finisher was a jumping clothesline, called the Hart Attack. Whenever he wrestled singles matches, his finisher was the pile driver, but almost everyone was using that as a transitional move at the time.
It was on some video games too
Legit, the piledriver is was more damaging than most of the other finishers people use.
I thought it was the heart attack(running neck breaker).
Konan taught Bret Hart the Sharpshooter? He might not have been a big star but he has had great influence on the business.
2 minutes with another man in the shower can change your life
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To be fair, there are a lot of guys who aren't big stars, but are super smart about the business. Shane Helms is a guy like that.
@@jonathangoldsmith7832 well played! 🤣 best comment of 2024 so far!
I see what you’re saying mate but also depends what means ‘big star.’ He was ok in the US but in Mexico he was massive!
I love how the crowd burst out laughing about going in the shower and he joked at it too 😂🤣
I wondered who dropped the soap first.
@@Trancymindit wasn't K-dawg for sure
I always thought that the Scorpion Deathlock was a much more badass name.
But it wouldn't fit Bret well. Sharpshooter goes with his "hitman" theme
The Rock should've named his version the Scorpion King Lock.
Looked about as convincing as the scorpion king!
@@exeortegarubioI always thought he should have used a variation of the Boston Crab and call it the Rock Lobster.
@@Wulfman317 You win the internet today
Bret is a good guy. I feel the business misses a man of his integrity and passion. My first big introduction to him was his WWE run in 2010 (ikr?), but having grown up and studied the history of the sport, Bret is one of my all-time favourites. Class personified.
Aww man dude you missed PRIME BRET HART in the early 90s
dude is a grumpy old man that hates everyone, lol.
As a kid in the 90s like me.. You see Hitman Bret Hart is like a Action figure.. Bret Hart is every kid's Hero
And his stories were so real, even the rumours, years later would not stop that even the screwjob was a story! But now most of us know the truth!.
The complete antithesis of Hogan who would have told ya “Brother, I learned the leg drop from Burgess Meredith on the set of Rocky 5 while I was playing bass in Van Halen, Brother”
"I got taught to reverse the sharpshooter into the leg drop by John F. Kennedy, when I was fighting the Viet Cong, Brother"
The Burgess Meredith comment got me lmfao
While been asked to join metallica
"I taught Bret Hart how to put on the Sharpshooter, brother! I was in Japan, I was due to work an event that night, I was flying back to the US to rehearse with Metallica and then I'd fly back to Japan, I got a call on the plane from Bret saying, you gotta help me brother, I need a new submission move - so I taught him the same move that I taught Sting which became known as the Scorpion Deathlock, which he got from Japan because I taught the Japanese wrestlers the move!"
You are so disrespectful, what is your problem??
Grow TF up.
He needs a podcast, when he tells stories I know it’s the truth 💯
Yeah, Brett said this in an interview about 20 years ago, it was in the early 2000s. As a WCW fan I always hated when WWF fans who weren’t even paying attention to southern wrestling until the mid 90s would always try to tell me that Sting stole it from Bret when the southern fans knew that Sting have been using that match for a few years before Brett Hart started his solo career. I’m not saying anyone’s deliberately lying I just think so. Many people think everything great came from the WWF and with Brett Hartz fans it’s pretty much whatever happened happened in Canada and the WWF. But yeah, Brett’s been honest about this for 20 years. I was actually surprised because that interview where he first said it is almost 2 decades old now that there have been so many people over the years that didn’t know the truth about it.
Ronnie Garvin used it in the WWF in 1990 during his feud with Greg Valentine. They called it the reverse figure four
There is an actual reverse figure four that is different than the sharpshooter. Instead of crossing the leg and standing, the wrestler applying the hold steps on his opponents foot and drops down.
The reverse figure four is when turnover and lie on your stomach
@@horizontoday7874 that’s reversing a figure four yes. But the sharp shooter has also been called the reverse figure four prior to him using it.
Its well known, not just from this interview that Bret got the idea of the Sharpshooter from Sting. What is surprising, is the Konnan part, as back in those days, Konnan was not a big name in the wrestling industry, as he was still working on his craft, and did a bunch of things in Mexico and some in Japan but was a WCW guy as soon it could happen.
And if I am not mistaken, Sting learned it in Japan, where it is called Sasori Gatame..meaning scorpion lock.
So Sting did in fact have the Scorpion Death lock before the Sharpshooter
The most important thing to Bret was always the respect of his peers over everything else, you can tell he wants to be remembered as a person like how the business looks at someone like Undertaker.
Bret Hart mentioned that he refused to wrestle Curt. I'm curious as to who he's talking about because the only Curt I remember is Curt Hennig and they obviously wrestled each other in that awesome SummerSlam match in 1991 so that couldn't be him.
Yeah Konnan told this story years ago on the Wrestling Observer Radio show, and it was basically the same way Bret told it. It was well over 15 years ago, and at the time Konnan was known for having great interviews with Dave.
Konan was an awesome competitor before he became K-dawg he was in great condition wwf had him under max something or other I think joking the nwo he was not used correctly as far as wrestling goes so he hardly wrestled and it was obvious in his physique but man what a mind and hear for the business definitely deserves more credit for what he’s done just ask Rey Misterio and as you can see in this video Bret Hart I’m sure there are many others.
Max Moon, which was ridiculous. They didn't know how to use him. Even in his nWo Black & White run, he never was all that noticeable. It was during his Wolfpac run when they finally gave him some mic time and realized....oh, this dude can talk. He's also a good blend of the lucha, power and technical styles, which suited him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but smaller than the jacked up bodybuilder types.
...and Sting is still wrestling. It's a shame he missed so much injury time at his peak. He's still in the GOAT conversation, but I feel the Sting = GOAT argument would be a lot stronger if he wrestled more in the mid-late 90s/early 2000s and his WWE run wasn't completely botched. Bret had a long, successful career, but Sting started earlier and has been on top far, far longer.
All that said, while I'm the biggest Sting fan, I have to put my bias aside and say that Bret's version of the Sharpshooter/SDL is my favorite of the two. Just something about how Bret locked this opponents legs up that was subtle, but really made it look like there was no escape, whereas sometimes Sting's was so quick the opponent leg positioning could be a bit sloppy. Bret did it the same every time, even against larger opponents.
Everyone should know Sting did it first Bret was in the Hart Fondation! and at that time Sting was a singles wrestler.
Yep 👍
Bret Hart is a real one foretelling the truth about Conan teaching him the Scorpion Deathlock... and also Bret Hart had the best saying... the best there is... the best there was and... the best there ever will be.
Sting is one of the greatest legends of all time and has never gotten the recognition he deserves
I knew i had seen the Scorpion Death Lock years before Bret started using the Sharpshooter, but i hated saying so because of the backlash I would get. Having an interview where Bret admits it is great, even 30 years later
Bruh... I LOVE Bret Hart... Sting is my all time favourite... and their feud in 98 was a dream for me.
This all happened at the TV taping for WWF Superstars on 26.03.1991 in Las Vegas, aired on TV 13.04.1991 with Bret wrestling an enhancement match. Konnan was actually there for a dark match try out at that taping, he wrestled a few try out matches in the early 90's and appeared on TV a couple of times as a jobber before getting the Comet Kid gimmick (later renamed Max Moon after he quit the role and was replaced by Paul Diamond). Konnan actually appeared in WCW first teaming with Rey Mysterio in the 1990 international tag tournament and caught the eyes of WWF officials.
The stars really aligned for Bret with the only guy who knew how to perform the move correctly being a wrestler there for a dark match that particular night. A chance encounter that led to his most iconic move.
interesting. do you know which "Curt" he didn't want to wrestle? (@0:40 min.)
@@gregordurchaus2924 Hennig I'd expect.
Brets sense of humour is underrated. Funny guy, as well as the GOAT
I can't believe this, I always talked down on the scorpion death lock thinking he stole it from Bret 🤦♂️ full credit to sting such a legendary move
What's the story behind Bret not wanting to wrestle Curt (Hennig I presume)?
I'm wondering the same thing. I'm guessing he didn't wanna hurt Kurt's push and take his belt? Because they were such good friends.
im guessing he didnt want to break up the hart foundation with jim the anvil just to lose to mr perfect.......then they told him he was winning the ic and its buh bye jim
Gotta be one of those two things cuz he was good friends with Curt Hennig
Yeah that was very weird I didn't understand that how she went into more about
@@masterfulsky😂
Bret Hart was already retired way before I started watching WWF , i never knew him, but i always hear that he was betrayed the most by WWF. And looking at him he always looks so polite and humble person.
One of the reason I like Brett he’s a straight shooter. Gave credit where credit is due. Shout out to Konan another cool dude
Imagine being Konnan and getting these flowers after all these decades. I've never once heard Konnan brag about teaching Bret that move, but based on K's response to the Hitman, you can tell that getting his credit meant something to him.
Props to Brett,i wouldn't except less from him though,always has been a stand up honest person
Not sure if when Bret says Curt, he means Mr. Perfect. Thought they were friends and Perfect was the guy who wanted to drop the belt to him to give him his push.
He meant Curt but it was nothing personal against him. He mentioned this in his book or another shoot but in his mind he knew at those times that the guys who feuded with the respective champ after Mania always jobbed out to them for the next 2 to 3 months, you wanted to be the guy that was feuding with him around the next PPV cause that was when the belt might be dropped. It was nothing against Curt it was just that Bret had been around long enough to know that he had no chance of beating him if he feuded with him then.
Bret first saw the Sharpshooter because of Riki Choshu in Japan
Bret Hart hasn't cleared his throat in 30 years.
Konan showed him how to apply it but he said he stole it from Sting which is a huge revelation.
Sting learned it from Riki Choshu while on an excursion in New Japan and Riki isn't even the innovator so it goes back further than both Bret and Sting.
@@mrchaotiqTrue, but Sting brought it to the States.
@@blake7871 Yeah to me it's like Undertaker getting love for the tombstone when Dynamite kid did that move like 8 years before him. Bret has the best execution of the move though
@@mrchaotiq That move in Europe was just a regular piledriver, that's how it was performed in Europe, that's not specific to Dynamite Kid it's just how he learned the piledriver in England.
@@blake7871 Ronnie Garvin and Adrian Adonis were both using it in the states before Sting.
Me personally if I created a finisher move and other wrestlers used it I would be honored that they're using it because it shows that they look up to you as a wrestler
Of course Sting had it first, it’s called the Scorpion Death Lock because it bends your body into the shape of a scorpion. Sharp Shooter is clearly just some random name.
The original scorpion deathlock was created by Korean wrestler who wrestled in Japan.
Sting was my favorite WCW wrestler and Bret was my favorite WWF wrestler..
I think Vince hates Sting the most out of any wrestler from his time. To bad even Jesus had critics too.
Vince would have signed Sting in a heartbeat, especially in the 90s
Because Sting was one of those guys that never needed him.
Bret Hart is more famous.. nobody knows Sting.. I don't even know Sting until Bret Hart transfer in WCW
@@bomtru.20nobody knows Sting ? You shouldn’t be so hard on yourself …you’re a somebody . A little stupid but a somebody !!!
I saw Danny Hodge use it in the 70's, and Dory Jr. during his brief WWF run ,
Bret is my favorite because he is so honest. Sting was using it before he was.
It's interesting to hear he adopted it after Sting had made it famous because when ever a random wrestler has used the move since, announcers refer to it as a sharpshooter, never a scorpion death lock.
depends where you are normally in wwe they call it that but in other places i hear scorpion death lock and as a kid called it that until bret started doing it
I was just watching an Old School episode and Terry Taylor used it in the summer of 88, this was before he was called the Red Rooster. Gorilla said Terry calls it the Scorpion.
Wow brett actually telling the truth about something and not just crying and saying people screwed him or backstabbed him or something. How refreshing
Check out a match between The Polish Prince (Col. DeBeers) and Barry Hart (Horowitz) from around 1983. Take note.of the submission hold The Polish Prince used to beat Barry Hart with.
Absolutely a true legend and class act ❤
Wasn't Ronnie Garvin using that or something similar in the late 80s in his feud with Greg Valentine? Valentine was using a traditional figure-four and they were having submission matches based on these moves.
The Scorpion Death Lock is a pretty badass name, but to most fans it will always be known as the Sharpshooter.
A form of the sharp shooter was used by nick Bockweinkle many years ago
So, there you have it. STING did it first. Bret was the better technical wrestler, but Sting's no slouch. He had three big moves, the Stinger Splash, the Scorpion Deathlock, and the Scorpion Deathdrop. Sting was also great at the drop kick for the first 10 or so years of his career. It's a shame there weren't more Bret Hard/Sting matches. Sting was fully capable of putting on a great wrestling match when he was going against anyone with legitimate wrestling skills. Despite being a huge fan of Hulk Hogan, Sting learned how to wrestle and he became a great storyteller in the ring. Of course, no one was better at that than Bret Hart...
This is why I believe in Bret and what he says because he tells it like it is which is also sad that some people get but hurt about the truth he speaks!
I am shocked Bret Hart had to get taught how to do it. I learned just by watching. To me its one of the easiest moves to apply.
it is more than that it is how you have to make the move look painful without it actually being painful. Also how the opponent has to assist in rolling over while looking like he is trying to get out of it
there is a lot of stuff you have to be conscious of (bret did) a lot of guys in wrestling have knee issues...how do i get it on and not screw up someone's knee or twist an ankle etc.
as kids we absolutely did the same shit but when youre a pro doing it to a fellow pro you have to make sure you dont do anything that may cause that wrestler to get injured (miss dates)
lol i injured no one in all my years from 11-14@@timburr4453
You've seen it done, hundreds, Thousands of times? Bret says he'd seen Sting do it in Japan. This was 1991, WWF schedules were non-stop and if you didn't have it on tape you wouldn't be able to view something. Seems like they had a chat on what move to use, they came up with one and then Bret went to find somebody who knew how to apply it.
wow Bret’s speech is so much better. That’s great to see.
Great story!
I love the fact that he kept it 💯!!
Both Ronnie Garvin and Terry Taylor used the move in the WWF before Bret. When Terry used it as the Red Rooster, he called it the Cock of the Walk. Not sure if Garvin gave it a name. Neither used it very long.
Ronnie Garvin and Terry Taylor were using it in the WWF in '88.
Whats crazy is no one could do it….I was 8 doing the sharpshooter I would’ve been a prodigy in the ring
Me too, but that’s because we both saw Sting and Bret doing it, and practiced it… LOL!
Seriously. It makes zero sense that Bret Hart couldn't figure out how to put on that hold. Is he stupid?!
@@eviltomthai In all fairness, The Rock put the hold on wrong every time he did it.
I heard Bret was the one who stole it from Sting 😂
He literally just said sting did it first
true brets a hack
@@miketurner643He never admitted to inventing it and even credited Sting here with using it first.
Hack. 😂
@@joshuaa1605 Which is wrong. Adrian Adonis used the move in the WWF in 1985 (Wrestling Classic vs. Dynamite Kid would be an example, Monsoon, stupid as always, called it a "Crucifix Leg Lock"). The next one to use it was Ron Garvin. Sting was either the third or the fourth (Depending on when Terry Taylor used it, nobody is sure)
@ShadowAngel18606 how's it wrong? He literally just said sting used it before him. He wasn't asked to name every single wrestler in history to use it before him lol
what was brets issue with wrestling kurt henning? just curious.
Can people try to question this man's character he is the most stand-up guy in wrestling ever and he will always be the best there is the best there was and the best there ever will be
Why did Bret say he didn't want to work with Curt? I've looked around and can't find any answers.
Konan had so much energy my love for him went through the roof after nwo wolf pack
Not surprised, Konnan was super underrated and great to watch with his offensive craft in the ring
"Him and I went in the showers..."
Then the audience reaction. 😂😂😂
Bret Hart is one of the few real genuinely honest guys in the business besides Sting and Maven.
Konana the pride of 🇲🇽 orallllllllllle i remember when he came to lSan Jose Ca for a house show when worlds collide when he had the long hair in braids
Wow I would’ve never thought that my favorite wrestler learn his move from my boy Konan. Never even knew Konan was at WWF
It was called the scorpion lock and done by a japanese wrestler and his tag team partner (cant remember who atm as I seen this on a twitch stream playing classic wrestling videos) in the NWA. I remember it being applied to Jerry Lawler. Thats where it was first seen way before Hart or Sting and even Konan.
Didn't they have VHS? Or did he have to learn it on the spot? Cause it's not the hardest move to perform
Mr. Saito used the Scorpion Death Lock in the AWA days.
Terry Taylor / Red Rooster was doing it in WWF a couple years years before Bret Hart used it..
Where can i watch the full interview instead of these drip fed clips?
Sting was using that move in 87, bret was still using the piledriver.
Sting got it from Riki Choshu
The Scorpion "thing"? C'mon Bret, you know it is called the Scorpion Deathlock.
Good on you Hitman
Hi anyone here know who Riki Choshu is?
Show of hands
Masa Saito was using it in the AWA, it submitted everyone in the 80s except Hogan... go figure
Sting turns to the right on his Scorpion Deathlock while Bret turns to the left on the Sharpshooter.
He definitely stole that from Sting. “I didn’t necessarily steal it from sting”, he says. Meanwhile he calls it the scorpion death lock which is what Sting calls it.
I remember when Sting came to WWE, a commentator yelled out "Hes going for some kind of modified sharpshooter!!!"
The other commentator had to do damage control.... 😐
It may have been at Mania when they suddenly used that whole
"Last survivor of WCW vs Triple H" angle... 🤔
Yeah it's was Vince's immature ass and ego that let that happen. Vinces still had to disrespect him 20 years later. Sting should have won at WrestleMania yet again it was Vince's ego that had to get that last nail in the WCW coffin. Winning did nothing for HHH as he was a part-timer at the time. All it did was ruin a story that they told for the past few months. I believe in 2001 Sting almost signed with WWE but he saw how the WCW guys where being disrespected and not use as they should have. He didn't trust Vince with the Sting Character so he decided to remain with TNA WRESTLING. IF you remember the vignettes that had the cabin in the woods and it was raining that was supposed to be Stings vignette teasers. Sense he didn't sign they just used The Undertaker as Sting and Taker both wore trench coats it didn't affect the vignettes that were being aired over the months.
Bret sounding like Rick James denying that he messed up Eddie Murphy's couch.
Wow Bret admits he stole it from Sting! I knew it. Sting, Shawn Michaels, Sabu and Razor Ramon have always been my favorites and I knew Sting was using it first!!!
To me, the figure 4 lock on the corner post was his real finisher
wow so Sting actually had dibs on it before Bret, I really didn't know that, I've learned something today.
He wasn't the first to use it, but he was definitely the best.
in the world of wrestling,... where a slam or a submission are literally defined by subtle differences, such as dropping him forward or backward... or twisting an arm this way or that way....
i wish i never had to see a suggestive thumbnail that questions if sting stole the sharp shooter.
he simply didnt.
look at the stone cold stunner after diamond dallas page had already been doing the diamond cutter.
and not a single one of us in our entire lifetimes has heard 1 person ever say that stone cold stole the diamond cutter.
I like that Bret is honest and gives credit where credit is due. I had no idea Konnan taught him the sharpshooter.
Agree
If I was the one who taught Bret Hart the sharpshooter I would never shut the fuck about it lmao
@@cozybones4644 hell yeah! Lol, "you see the move right there? I taught him that"
Same here
@@cozybones4644Exactly 😂😂😂😂😂
Invented by Karl Gotch, used by Riki Choshu in Japan. In the US, used by Adrian Adonis, Ronnie Garvin & Sting before Bret had started his singles career.
Yep I remember watching Garvin vs Ric Flair a while back and shocked to see Garvin use it, as I had no idea who he was.
Popularized by Riki Choshu, but Gotch taught that hold to a lot of his trainees. There are photos of Samson Kutsuwada using the hold 2-3 years before Choshu made his debut.
I remember Ronnie Garvin using the hold in a match against Greg Valentine
Terry Taylor (as the Red Rooster) briefly too.
Bret hart’s version looked the best
This makes perfect sense because I honestly have always felt that Konnan was an absolute expert of submissions. Dude uses so many submission holds in the course of his matches, it's nuts.
He wrestled all around the world and against all of the different wrestling styles, so yeah, it makes sense he'd be the one to know the move.
He's been friends with Norman Smiley forever. That's a great source if you want to learn subs.
I remember the tequila sunrise that konnan did that would be my submission if I was wrestling
He learned all of that in Mexico. From el dandy, la fiera, el negro casas, el negro Navarro, Apolo Dantes, etc....
i remember konnan's two submission moves that were never seen. one was breaking rey's knee (his nwo gimmick), that was sick.
Konnan is underappreciated.
He's a good blend of lucha, power and technical styles, which fit him perfectly. He's bigger than most luchadors, but not the massive bodybuilder type either. Very underappreciated.
Konnan was always one of my favorites in WCW.
@@filmsceneinvestigation Sting didn’t invent the move. It was invented by Karl Gotch in the early 1970s in Japan. Sting wasn’t even the first to use it in North America. Adrian Adonis and Ronnie Garvin both used it before Sting did.
@@zlinedavid His rolling clothesline✨
They’re both jabrons
"Bret was always like. It's real. It's real. When he put you in the Sharpshooter you thought it was real" - Kevin Nash
Nash has always been really complimentary and straight up about Brett. He even said he would never let smaller guys do to him the moves Brett did. Said it was cause Brett made it look so good.
@@tinocontreras5105except the cage match
Not really, Nash and his friends piled on Bret for years for not taking more money as champion, thus not lifting all tides as it were to make them more money. So, Nash had a big beef with Bret over that.
@@AceFondu yeah but he did respect Brett's in ring ability and character as a person
@@AceFonduit wasn't really beef. They even worked together in WCW.
"IN THE SHOWER, boys." Hahaha
As long time Bret fan, this is really surprising and informative. Hitman showing a lot of integrity here. Even though he wasn’t the inventor of the move, Bret really made it unique to him. He was the only one I ever saw that would step through with his left foot opposed to his right such as Sting,Owen , Benoit and even Rock(He had the ugliest version lol). Hats off to Bret though.
Nah Shawn Michaels had the ugliest version 😂
CM Punk made an even worse one, though it was an attempt at Bret Hart's variation he did not get his leg in right I think it was against Dom, yeah he messed it up and Dom as well@@SiriusV21
@@SiriusV21 Nick Jackson's is pretty terrible as well.
@@aoisora1445 There really isn't a variation, it's just a nice way of saying someone is doing it wrong. Whether you step over with your left foot or right foot doesn't make a difference, as they should just result in mirror images of each other. If done correctly, the victim has one leg trapped between your thigh and his other leg, so you're only holding onto one ankle. The Rock grabs both ankles with the same arm, which is very unstable and ugly. Shawn Spears does it a little bit cleaner, but he still crosses the victim's legs in the wrong order, so he winds up holding onto the near leg, not the far leg as he's supposed to, which is still less stable than when it's done correctly.
He told this before on the DVD around 2006, though.
Sting first used the Scorpion Deathlock in 1987 and Bret Hart would first use it in 1991 when he pursued a solo career. When Sting applies the Scorpion Deathlock, he applies it quick. Bret would apply the Sharpshooter methodically and tight.
Pretty sure they did alternate sides too. Bret would use his left leg to step over. Sting used the right.
Created by Mr Saito and originally used by Riki Choshu in NJPW
Yep!
Blue Demon used it at a major stage before Choshu. It's likely that Demon, Saito, and others learned it from Catch instructors.
Created by Karl Gotch
@@dannycruz5446 Correct. Gotch taught it to a number of his Japanese trainees.
My favorite wrestler in WCW was Sting and my favorite in WWE was Bret both doing same move 🤣
Same here