@@dezaultering More like it was a strategic move. His opponent should've paid attention to know the lanes were going to be different after the fact. It wasn't a secret or surprise.
Koeltzo is a friend of mine, and our whole town was so proud to see his performance on TV. Super nice guy and knows how to be a badass bowling alley mechanic
Lol I met norm Duke once and the even I was at he spoke and he said that back in the day he did something similar but to get the surface on the ball he rolled his ball around in the parking lot 😅... that was illegal.
Using a ball in your arsenal to ruin an opponent’s line during practice is strategy. However, I feel the line is crossed when you modify or use a ball for the sole purpose to mess up an opponent’s line.
It seems fair, because the whole point of bowling is adjusting to your circumstances. If his original look is bad you have to move regardless of what the other player is doing
That’d still be foul in my book. Play a fair and even game. If the cheating is allowed then the other person should be told when the cheating happens and give them time to figure it out. Going into the game expecting one thing and then having it sabotaged is never ok in competitive sports 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Your analogy only proves that it's not cheating even more. They both have to bowl on the same lanes. Just like both teams have to play in the same field. So "ruining" it for one ruins it for both. If it were cheating it would be against the rules.
@@No_Lucks_GivenA better analogy would be kicking up holes and covering them with grass afterwards. They're there and not glaringly obvious, but you know where they are and to avoid them while your opponent doesn't. Yes they may play the same lane but the player who threw the sanded ball knows an area to avoid and made that area specifically where his opponent was throwing. It may not be illegal but it's definitely the bowling version of playing "n!993r pool"
I think he was making a wall for his shot since he was throwing urethane. Also Kris watched him do it during warmup so he should have known and his ball rep could have told him what to do.
He was on the pair and struck. He saw the same transition that Simo did and didn’t adjust. The fact is he didn’t throw the three shots that went high the same. The first one was slower. Did Simo want the lane to transition sooner? Yes. It could have been because he wanted more friction in that spot to improve his own reaction, it could have been because he felt his reaction would be better than his opponents when they had to move in. Probably both. But they are on the same playing field. He would have had to move anyway, no one gets to play the same line for an entire game anymore, especially under the tv lights
Smart strategy ofcourse...every pro bowler knows how to avoid the same tracks that wiped by opponent...by moving 1 board each, to seek ideal oil pattern
The people who say he’s cheating are stupid, he didn’t really sabotage his opponent, he just made the lane condition worse for him by doing that, its the other guys fault for nor adjusting correctly.
Absolutely strategy… I do the same. I’ll throw a sanded ball in the track of my opponent. It’s the same in league when you bowl against a straight bowler with a plastic ball… the oil gets pushed down lane and screws up the shot. 😅
100% solid strategy. Bowling is about adapting to lane conditions. If you cant handle it, then you lose. Simple. If i decide i want to throw Urathane and ruin your lines to give me a better shot at winning, i will All day
Shim-wrecking happens all the time at the professional level. Doesn’t always get filmed. I watched Mike Fagan do it to Stu Williams at the World Championship.
Jason belmonte alks about bowling EJ at the Masters where he could have done that but he said there'd be no point because EJ's so good that it won't matter so he just has to out bowll him
I don’t consider this cheating, if you cannot adjust, you should be a pro bowler. I sometimes specifically bowl with someone that uses urethane just so I can teach myself to move over
That’s not sabotage. Bowling is about ability to throw good shots, read the lane and make the proper adjustment. Everyone complaining is just a victim mindset.
Not denying whether or not it happened, but when you show a ball that simo is contractually not allowed to throw (and would never throw to beign with) along with several jump cuts to clips not beloning to the actual match, THIS IS VERY MISLEADING.
It is not cheating. Tho some people may find it unsportsmanlike. It is completely normal and people need to calm down. This is pretty much the hack a Shaq.
It is bad and smart in both ways. I am lefthanded and i was bowling a guy in a stepladder and he was right handed. He threw a 200 grit piece of charcoal up my line thinking he was going to mess me up. I just took out my weakest ball and played right up 15 basically on fresh oil. He trash talked me all through practice and took out the other ball and shot 250 on him. He got payback.
I don't like it, but it's a smart move. This is their job, and they need to do whatever is within the rules to put money in their pocket. But you have to be insanely good to make this work
That’s not even unsportsmanlike in bowling. That’s part of the game. In college, for practice, you intentionally break down the lanes to give yourself an advantage while also giving a disadvantage to your opponent.
This is stupid. This should not be considered fair play. You are intentionally attempting to altar you opponent's ability to perform at their max potential. Using a dry ball in an attempt to ruin the bowling lane should not qualify as professional, ethical, promotable, or allowed in the sport of bowling. Most absurd thing I've heard. Thats like going on the basketball court after halftime and intentionally putting oil on the court on the opponents side of the court in the driving lane, making it more difficult to drive the ball with a pair of tennis shoes doused in oil and then switching your shoes and telling your team to avoid that part of the court. Sounds like fair gameplay right? This is absurd and should not be allowed. Regardless if they are playing on the same playing feild. One person knows what is wrong with the lane and the other person doesn't.
I think you a re misunderstanding how bowling balls and lane oil works. All reactive resin bowling balls absorb oil through out the game. Urethane balls actually push oil down the lane and can make your ball react later. Lane conditions change constantly while bowling. Changing the surface on a bowling ball using approved methods is perfectly legal before a match. Also both parties are usually allowed a few practice shots between games during tv matches, unless this has changed recently. Hopefully this helps
Nothing new that doesn’t happen at every event….. it’s not sabotage it’s strategy that every player sees happening at the event so it’s not sabotage unless it’s unknown
Absolutely not. Does it such playing against that. Yes. That’s the sport though. They are professionals though because they know how to adjust. Professional bowlers are professionals because they can handle pressure and read lanes better than your league bowler. He knew his opponent was locked in and he wasn’t. He made his opponent figure out a new line.
Right, bunch of non bowlers thinking that's cheating, I bowl in 2 houses, 1 is super high friction, so I use urethane in practice, every ball right up the 7 board to carry oil down to get some hold for reactive when I finally get lined up in the last 2 min of practice
This is like deflating balls before a football game 😂y’all remember them patriots? Yes this is 100% cheating. Those who don’t think so cheat to win lol
Smart strategy. Kris wouldve been able to see what Anthony was doing and react accordingly. And Anthony still shot 279, so its not like he had a bad look either.
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Anyone that calls this cheating is totally stupid. He was forcing his opponent to adjust and he didn't do a good job at moving. Smart strategy
Thats exactly right. While bowling you have to constantly adjust and simonsons oppenent didnt do a good job of that
While this is correct, the guy went out of his way to sand a ball just to pick up oil off the lane, it was still done maliciously.
@@dezaultering More like it was a strategic move. His opponent should've paid attention to know the lanes were going to be different after the fact. It wasn't a secret or surprise.
@@dezaulteringIf you are good enough to make tv. Then you are good enough to make adjustments
@@mikeyvance3230 that i agree with, but like i said ruining a ball just to pick up oil off the lane is malicious and un sportsman like
Bowling is all about adjustment. He who adjust the best will always win.
Closest thing to defense in bowling, I don’t necessarily agree with the strategy but it’s smart, gotta make the adjustments
Koeltzo is a friend of mine, and our whole town was so proud to see his performance on TV. Super nice guy and knows how to be a badass bowling alley mechanic
Once your bowling pro tournaments sportsmanship is a luxury.
I learned about people on tour doing this 20 years ago. You have to be prepared to adapt and overcome. That is defense in bowling!!!!!!
both of them are still throwing on the same lane tho,id say its about who can adjust better
Lol I met norm Duke once and the even I was at he spoke and he said that back in the day he did something similar but to get the surface on the ball he rolled his ball around in the parking lot 😅... that was illegal.
😂😂
It’s strategy until it’s done against Simo. THEN Simo will call it cheating
Belmo is notorious on tour for doing this lol
Using a ball in your arsenal to ruin an opponent’s line during practice is strategy. However, I feel the line is crossed when you modify or use a ball for the sole purpose to mess up an opponent’s line.
2005 world championship Brian Voss vs Chris loschetter the same thing happened
It seems fair, because the whole point of bowling is adjusting to your circumstances. If his original look is bad you have to move regardless of what the other player is doing
Now if he uses the sanded ball during the match it’s one thing… but nah , that’s like going on a football field kicking up holes before a game.
That’d still be foul in my book. Play a fair and even game. If the cheating is allowed then the other person should be told when the cheating happens and give them time to figure it out. Going into the game expecting one thing and then having it sabotaged is never ok in competitive sports 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Except it's perfectly allowed and both players can do it. All Simo did was remove "miss room" for him so take up a new line or get beat.
@@denmanfite3156 removed “miss room” by altering surface ? That’s a no for me, dog.
Your analogy only proves that it's not cheating even more. They both have to bowl on the same lanes. Just like both teams have to play in the same field. So "ruining" it for one ruins it for both. If it were cheating it would be against the rules.
@@No_Lucks_GivenA better analogy would be kicking up holes and covering them with grass afterwards. They're there and not glaringly obvious, but you know where they are and to avoid them while your opponent doesn't.
Yes they may play the same lane but the player who threw the sanded ball knows an area to avoid and made that area specifically where his opponent was throwing. It may not be illegal but it's definitely the bowling version of playing "n!993r pool"
Your wrong! Simo was setting up his own shot. Kris was right of his break point.
I've seen simo do this to a lefty
I had to throw sanded urethane up the left side on a team yesterday 😅
Smart strategy
May the best bowler win
Jason Belmonte did the same thing to Chris Barnes in the 2013 WSOB on Shark. Barnes shot 300 and then in the title match could barely manage a 200.
I think he was making a wall for his shot since he was throwing urethane. Also Kris watched him do it during warmup so he should have known and his ball rep could have told him what to do.
Smart strategy.
He was on the pair and struck. He saw the same transition that Simo did and didn’t adjust. The fact is he didn’t throw the three shots that went high the same. The first one was slower. Did Simo want the lane to transition sooner? Yes. It could have been because he wanted more friction in that spot to improve his own reaction, it could have been because he felt his reaction would be better than his opponents when they had to move in. Probably both. But they are on the same playing field. He would have had to move anyway, no one gets to play the same line for an entire game anymore, especially under the tv lights
sanding ball is very legal in bowling.kris can also played this strategy on simo’s tracks . but he didn’t pop out this strategy so simo wins fairly
Smart strategy ofcourse...every pro bowler knows how to avoid the same tracks that wiped by opponent...by moving 1 board each, to seek ideal oil pattern
He should have switched up which ball he used. This strategy was absolutely fair and legal.
What's to say he didn't tighten up in the title game as well?
No1 put him under any pressure until he faced Simo.
No. It's called defensive bowling ;)
The people who say he’s cheating are stupid, he didn’t really sabotage his opponent, he just made the lane condition worse for him by doing that, its the other guys fault for nor adjusting correctly.
Absolutely strategy… I do the same. I’ll throw a sanded ball in the track of my opponent. It’s the same in league when you bowl against a straight bowler with a plastic ball… the oil gets pushed down lane and screws up the shot. 😅
100% solid strategy. Bowling is about adapting to lane conditions. If you cant handle it, then you lose. Simple. If i decide i want to throw Urathane and ruin your lines to give me a better shot at winning, i will All day
Shim-wrecking happens all the time at the professional level. Doesn’t always get filmed. I watched Mike Fagan do it to Stu Williams at the World Championship.
Jason belmonte alks about bowling EJ at the Masters where he could have done that but he said there'd be no point because EJ's so good that it won't matter so he just has to out bowll him
You can attribute it to a couple of balls being thrown.The oil line is gonna to move after every shot
Smart
I do this all the time, it’s smart.
I don’t consider this cheating, if you cannot adjust, you should be a pro bowler. I sometimes specifically bowl with someone that uses urethane just so I can teach myself to move over
I wouldn't consider this sabotage. Definitely a smart strategy.
Not illegal, guys do similar all the time. Urethane balls are great for messing up a pattern lol.
I mean Simo also had to make the shots where he made his line, that's what matters.
That’s not sabotage. Bowling is about ability to throw good shots, read the lane and make the proper adjustment. Everyone complaining is just a victim mindset.
Simo made a smart move because none of his opponents did that but simo used his brain and forced him to move.
Not denying whether or not it happened, but when you show a ball that simo is contractually not allowed to throw (and would never throw to beign with) along with several jump cuts to clips not beloning to the actual match, THIS IS VERY MISLEADING.
I'll take "Giant reaches in the name of creating content" for $2000
Does not surprise me at all with Simo.
you know this has been going on for a lot longer than hes even been pro right
It is not cheating. Tho some people may find it unsportsmanlike. It is completely normal and people need to calm down. This is pretty much the hack a Shaq.
I have no words.
You had four.
@@Tom-fs4xu what???
Great idea if it works....I never even thought about it
thats strat
Smart strat even though it might be a cheap win.
First of all that's not sabotaging opponent that's not illegal and it shouldn't be illegal that's good strategy
sneaky bastard bt it worked.
It's not cheating. You have to adjust to the lane like adjusting to bad turf
It is bad and smart in both ways. I am lefthanded and i was bowling a guy in a stepladder and he was right handed. He threw a 200 grit piece of charcoal up my line thinking he was going to mess me up. I just took out my weakest ball and played right up 15 basically on fresh oil. He trash talked me all through practice and took out the other ball and shot 250 on him. He got payback.
so simo complains about belmo
messing up the lanes with 5 minutes of practice before their game but did the same thing to his opponent 🤦♂️
Far from sabotage, It's part of the game and totally legal
I was taught to just put easy slide in their thumbhole 😜
I don't like it, but it's a smart move. This is their job, and they need to do whatever is within the rules to put money in their pocket. But you have to be insanely good to make this work
I’d just moan while the others bowling to mess them up
it's not like his opponent left the building!! Pay attention next time!!
He didnt do anything illegal. Also, the first shot that didnt carry was just bad luck. Now, bowling two handed...should be illegal.
Not illegal
Pros been doing this for years
If sanding isnt illegal then its all legal
It’s not sabotage it’s a fresh pattern so he’s setting up his line. Duh. And idk if that whole sanded ball thing is real either.
Smarter than belmonte with his water bottle
That’s not even unsportsmanlike in bowling. That’s part of the game. In college, for practice, you intentionally break down the lanes to give yourself an advantage while also giving a disadvantage to your opponent.
it is what flicker ballers do....
If it's legal to do no problem.
Cheating should never be legal. If I’m better then I’m better, period!
If thats the way you have to win count me out.
This is stupid. This should not be considered fair play. You are intentionally attempting to altar you opponent's ability to perform at their max potential. Using a dry ball in an attempt to ruin the bowling lane should not qualify as professional, ethical, promotable, or allowed in the sport of bowling. Most absurd thing I've heard. Thats like going on the basketball court after halftime and intentionally putting oil on the court on the opponents side of the court in the driving lane, making it more difficult to drive the ball with a pair of tennis shoes doused in oil and then switching your shoes and telling your team to avoid that part of the court. Sounds like fair gameplay right? This is absurd and should not be allowed. Regardless if they are playing on the same playing feild. One person knows what is wrong with the lane and the other person doesn't.
sanding before a match is allowed am I wrong
I think you a re misunderstanding how bowling balls and lane oil works. All reactive resin bowling balls absorb oil through out the game. Urethane balls actually push oil down the lane and can make your ball react later. Lane conditions change constantly while bowling. Changing the surface on a bowling ball using approved methods is perfectly legal before a match. Also both parties are usually allowed a few practice shots between games during tv matches, unless this has changed recently. Hopefully this helps
Blah blah blah
Nothing new that doesn’t happen at every event….. it’s not sabotage it’s strategy that every player sees happening at the event so it’s not sabotage unless it’s unknown
Pure strategy
Welcome to the Swedish League, manipulating the lanes either in favour of you or "sabotaging" for the opponents, are the norm there. :)
Just imagine if Simo did this to crybaby Sean Rash 😅.. Sean will definitely whine till the end 😂
It’s called defense.
I'll just say both
Not cheating at all, thats smart af, use practice to set the lanes up however you want, as long as the ball itself isnt illegal, he did nothing wrong
Pretty weak move. But hey that’s why everyone was rooting for Marshall in the last tournament.
Absolutely not. Does it such playing against that. Yes. That’s the sport though. They are professionals though because they know how to adjust. Professional bowlers are professionals because they can handle pressure and read lanes better than your league bowler. He knew his opponent was locked in and he wasn’t. He made his opponent figure out a new line.
Both…
I think is fair. It’s not cheating if it’s legal
You're you're the kind of guy that would say in the arm wrestling match you can't move your body
Is that you Michael Todd?
Until its against the rules, its fair. If I have a shot with reactive and urethane, I might still use urethane if I am against someone locked in.
Right, bunch of non bowlers thinking that's cheating, I bowl in 2 houses, 1 is super high friction, so I use urethane in practice, every ball right up the 7 board to carry oil down to get some hold for reactive when I finally get lined up in the last 2 min of practice
I'm lefty, so usually I'm by myself tho
That’s called playing the lanes 😂 it’s not sabotage
This is like deflating balls before a football game 😂y’all remember them patriots? Yes this is 100% cheating. Those who don’t think so cheat to win lol
Smart strategy. Kris wouldve been able to see what Anthony was doing and react accordingly. And Anthony still shot 279, so its not like he had a bad look either.
That is terrible sportsmanship to do that during practice. Totally different during the game..One ball will not have effect on game
People make me laugh a pro can see what your throwing and where your playing. He just needed a ball to roll up more vs jump off the spot.
Bad sportsmanship. Beat the guy fair and square not ruining established lines.
learn to adjust and that wont be an issue
@@Koalaz1 I get that to a point. He established and worked his shot. Why sabotage? I think it’s garbage play and weak ass
Simonsen is very unsportsman like, but his opponent should've adjusted
Bad sportsmanship
Smart, oc
Smart strategy