THIS is why STRINGPIN BOWLING should be ILLEGAL
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- Delta Bowl installed string pins. This was the result.
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Honestly, I think string pins are an abomination for anything other than the recreational bowling, shoe rental crowd.
and the rotten kids who lay all over the lanes and throw food. One kid was really ticking me off til I saw his mom slam his little sister on the floor. I was horrified. My local lanes are half clown-world. I dislike that very much and feel sorry for the owners because people these days tend to be unpredictably violent. (as a mom, it broke my heart - you wonder why some kids ack like animals and there it is....a mom who's an animal) Kids don't have a chance these days...
It’s better than not bowling at all 🤷♂️. They aren’t that bad. He’s bowling on recreation string pins. Not usb certified calibration.
I was bowling a couple months ago and had to wait for a mom to walk down my lane and retrieve her 3 year old. Warned her about how slippery the lanes would be.
i take offense to that lol. i have to rent my shoes they dont make a size 12.5
depending how serious bowler You are,
Dexter SST 8 are $150
Dexter SST 9 are $250 with interchangeable soles
They both go to 14.
I've had my SST 9 for about 10yrs. Just get a new slide pad every other year
The fact you were able to make the hardest shots in bowling with relative ease in just a few attempts, proves it shouldn't be used for competition.
Should we also not use any oil like it used to be? The whole argument is that it makes it easier?
@@Marisa_enjoyerHuge difference between oil making hooking much more calculating and strings causing pins to either yank standing pins down via string or dragging them in weird directions. Also, oil doesn't make it easier. Take the average one league a season bowler and put them on a heavy oil sport shot, and I guarantee they'll struggle much harder than riding the edge of the oil on standard house shots.
@@harpiessnow The whole point of an analogy is that they are not the exact same situation. String pins don't make the game unfair because they don't disproportionately favor any particular player's game. Again, this horrid take on oil only benefits MY point in that heavy oil will benefit people who are NOT league players.
@@Marisa_enjoyeroil is used to protect the lanes from wear that's why it's called Lane conditioner
But I understand the analogy also using stronger equipment that’s why more 300 are shot compared to before so you want to say that’s making the game easier than why don’t we go back to old school urethane and putting less oil on the lanes
I was always firmly against string pins and the ease at which you made 3 of the hardest spares in bowling shows that there is no way they should be certified for use in anything other than recreational bowling.
I've bowled on string pins once technically, but it was duck pin string pins so I don't really count that as having gone string pin bowling. I dislike how the 3 hardest splits in the game were made by this guy in like half an hour. I think they should stay out of sanctioned leagues, and only be used for recreation
But since bowling is a competitive game, the opponent will also be able to, with 'ease,' get those hard spares as well. So it remains fare.
@@exoressdelivers70 I think you mean "fair." I'm not going to listen to someone who can't spell.
@@dcorbebut yet his point still rings true and the only thing your able to follow up with is to call him out on is a spelling mistake 😂.
He got lucky on the 3 spares. They are not easy to make. You have no idea how many times he shot at these spares until he finally made it.
Thanks for putting this together. I would agree that after watching how the strings influence the direction the pins as well as how the strings can have tension against each other, this definitely should not be used in any type of sanctioned league or tournament.
An argument for the other side, is more consistent pin placement. Bad pocket hits are more rarely rewarded with strikes. And when they tested this with probowlers, the average score difference was only a single point. It has its upsides and downsides, just like freefalling pins does, but when it comes to score and play in actual matches, there really is no noteable difference to be made. Edge tech string did a huge test with tenfolds of pro bowlers, and when surveyed, a vast majority, 80+% said they would welcome string bowling to leagues. I agree that pin action is different, but you overall score of a match wont change much, if anything at all. I recommend you look in to these tests and researches made, so you can make a more informed, less biased opinion. It's a bit odd that an entire comment section is hating on something the vast majority of the pro scene is comfortable playing with.
We try it once and don't like it, so we call it tampon on a string.
@@whimseyOFC Heres the thing. People keep saying it was tested with probowlers. But I can never find a test with them using actual probowlers. I found a bunch with 150-180 average bowlers... And then one with a single bowler with a PBA card that has only ever done a few regionals.
@@kif1re www.qubicaamf.com/insights/blog-documents/edge-string-play-vs-free-fall-research-study_06.pdf I dont know if links are allowed, but here you go. It's a bit tricky to find this paper if you havent seen it before. We have paper brochures of this exact research paper available at our local alley
sadly i didnt know id be doing a sanctioned league with string pins everyone is skeptical and alot of ppl including 3 of new friends at the league hate it and will go back to a different center that doesnt have it but im currently in a sanctioned league in Jax, FL
I wonder if they'll set up ticket dispensers on each lane so you can trade them in for prizes?
It appears those are using the shorter strings, about 44" or so. The USBC also tested 54" & 66" I believe. The 54" is the length determined to be the most fair pin action. I bowled on 54" string pins as part of a research session at the International Training and Research Center in Arlington, Texas last month. I bowled 2 sessions of 4 games each, 2 games on free-fall pins and 2 games on string pins. The string pins were not quite as good as free-fall but definitely better than the shorter strings used in the video. Teating and research is still being conducted.
This is what I was thinking, too. Those did not appear to be string pinsetters that conform to the new USBC specs. The strings looked to be too short at this house hence the weird pin action. Side note, as I understood the USBC study on string pinsetters, they determined that the 65-inch strings resulted in pin action and strike percentages closest to free-fall, but they increased the likelihood of tangles. So, they set the minimum string-length spec to 54 inches as a middle ground (i.e.: still "close" to free-fall pin action and strike percentage, but reduced tangle likelihood and stops) to allow centers to use medium-length strings (54-inch to 60-inch) in order to reduce the number of stops but still not have the weird pin action of the short strings like the lane he was bowling on.
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If testing is still being conducted, then why the certification now?
Exactly, its nothing to do with anything but money. Anyone can make figures add up to what they want them to say. When there are no techs left to dress lanes properly, there will be no serious bowling outside the PBA.
Here for this
If my bowling alley ever does this I'm done bowling!!!
Ditto. Was an awesome sport. I will not participate in this carnival crap
Same
Same.
Same for me
You dont need to be a rocket scientist to observe the length of the strings have the pins reacting quite differently. Too short and too long are very different in action. A string of a pin that's moving can interfere with the vertical part of a string of a pin that's sitting still, knocking it over basically by accident. This is basically a carnival show and should never be used in any competitive arena. I'm blown away that this would ever even be considered in competition. It's a joke.
I definitely agree with string pins being something workable for casual players and whatnot, but I have a hard time seeing any high level competition taking off with how zany these things appear to be. I think they would be fun to play on but I wouldn't want to win or lose a game dependent on strings hitting other strings.
I just don't see myself ever enjoying playing string pin. It feels like a bar game or something someone sets up in their backyard.
Yep, absolutely. "Carnival-like"
String pinsetters will be the downfall of our sport if they continue to be recognized as suitable for competition
Lmao like bowling isn't a dying sport already. This type of mentality is what killing the sport in the first place. Always wanting "traditional" bowling. First the hate for 2 handed, urethane and now this. Creativity and innovation is what makes the sport still alive rather than just a sport where people throw overpriced bowling balls to get a strike.
@@megatbasyarullah4859 When you can convert a split by a string knocking over a pin and not a pin knocking over a pin that’s a problem
@@megatbasyarullah4859 The urethane restrictions thing is for the pros and doesn't affect anyone else. Those 2 handers you love are also responsible for houses putting down more and more oil, which only makes it way harder for the average recreational bowler to make a ball curve and also forces them to buy high end expensive balls to have any chance at hooking the ball. Higher oil volumes isn't a good thing for recreational bowling. But the old cat and mouse game will continue (more aggressive balls, more oil, more aggressive balls, more oil, etc...)
@@BornIn1500 houses absolutely aren't increasing oil volumes, they're cutting oil or eliminating it completely. The bowlmor by me doesn't oil for open bowling, period
@@iceman5117 Houses eliminating oil? LMAO you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, period.
Show this video to USBC and ask them how their percentages of strings affecting the pin carry works exactly
i'm assuming their response to be "that's not a sanctioned string setter"
USBC has a specification of string length, I wonder how these compare to spec as they seem really short.
Don’t forget about the Out if Range Pins or pins that moved off spot and not fall over. Strings are incapable of leaving the off spot pins where it was left off after ball impact.
These are not the approved string pins.
USBC s report was falsified. They rigged the results intentionally to make it seem slightly harder or made little difference. I have zeros trust in anything they say or approve anymore.
Strings do the following:
1) Reduce overall strike percentage. This is due to a few things - lack of messengers, strings holding pins up, etc.
2) Adds some funny strikes that don't otherwise exist. The most notorious is the "Pull Down 10 Pin" where a ringing 10 is yanked down by the string. This can be removed by changing string lengths - in which case averages crater hard, because you're removing fully 1+ strikes/game.
3) Makes otherwise rarely seen splits such as 4-5-7 (righty) a lot more common due to the funny pin action. Prior to strings you might see 4-5-7 once per night across all lanes of league. Now it's common to see one or more per night on your pair.
4) Makes split conversions A FULL ORDER OF MAGNITUDE EASIER. Prior to the local center installing strings, I had twice as many perfect games as I had conversions of 4-6 (and 7-9 and 8-10). In the 1st one month of league that had flipped, and I converted 4 of those spares across 3 weeks of bowling - and the other week I didn't leave it.
Our league championship came down to a pair of
Here's the big thing that Strings are incapable of: Out of Range
Its a big problem because in the USBC rules, if a pin slides off spot, it should stay where it was left off after the 1st Ball. Strings cannot do that while Free Fall Pinsetters can
you should talk to Delta Bowl about the length of their strings. The USBC approved string pins but the strings have to be a certain length, which these don't look long enough.
The USBC has ACTUALLy approved these for tournaments??!! Cash paying tourneys? You have to be kidding. Not good.
@@roboneil408 Separate Category, but yes.
now firmly against string pins, this looks like such a dumb af idea
for the recreational bowlers, its good. but not for the serious and competitive crowd.
@@floggerfrog if you have kids, don't let them bowl on these garbage machines because when they roll a 6 pound or 7 pound ball so slow and once they hit the Headpin dead center in a slow speed, the ball would just sit on the pindeck and not comeback. Just to let you know that not all Bowling Centers have ramps for kids
I dont really like sting pins. If a center wants to hold tournaments and leagues, I think they need to not have string pins.
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 yep.
@@PinoyBowlerGS92 i know that man. but yes, personally i dont like stringpins either but unless somehow the manufacturers come up with a way to make a freefall pinsetters as cheap as string ones this would continue
If you are any kind of competitive bowler, string pins seem to be a cheat code. You seem to get more weird carries than you get bad breaks because of the strings. They are great for family fun and kids birthday parties though. I think the bowling centers would be smart to put in a portion of string pin lanes for that crowd.... and keep them away from the normal lanes (no candy, gum, cake and soda found on the approaches) and it would keep down maintenance on the back end of them too. Ohh, you need to rent shoes, we have string pin lanes for you 😁😁. I also like the walled off "fun zone" so when the kids think bowling is a group activity on the approach, we won't have to keep watch for balls to come in our direction as all kinds of hilarity ensues on their lanes. I want them to have fun, but I want to enjoy my bowling time too.
exactly the point I was making and thank you. Well said.
This is exactly the point I’ve been trying to make to some friends of mine. String pin bowling will not be my thing at all, but I do believe it does have its place for the solely recreational type of bowling (and primarily the younger crowd) and I do appreciate that this bowling house set up a separated section of lanes just for that. I’ll continue to choose the traditional lanes but having the section for string pin lanes will definitely be good for the house long-run, it can keep *certain* crowds away from the traditional lanes.
As for USBC allowing it as a competitive category, it is goofy but my opinion won’t change anything.
Okay we absolutely have to do a 1v1 with string pins. That pin action is insane lol😮
Use 18 lb balls....or 20....lolol
I SAY YOU USE THE BALL WITH THE MOST HOLES ... AND THE SHORTEST SPAN...23LB BALL.. AND ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK MIKE MIGHT HAVE THAT IS RIDICULOUS...DONT FORGET TO BRING THE BANDAIDS/NEW SKIN.
@@jenniferboone-sz1lo Add bumpers and allow two balls to be thrown at once. Gonna make this fun.
@@synifxThink I'd pass on anything involving bumpers. Thank you tho...
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_Not sure which is worse: the fact that someone actually invented Stringpin Bowling, or the fact that the USBC actually approved it for competition._
String pins aren't bad for casual bowling, cheaper for bowling centers and carry/spares would make casuals feel awesome bringing more people to the sport ( in theory). But approving it for competitive play is absolutely a joke
USBC approving it for sure
Why would someone inventing it be a bad thing? It's been around in Europe with 9-pin bowling, and it's an incredibly cheap, efficient way to run a casual bowling alley.
Approving it was a ridiculous decision. I don't get the motivation behind it. I'm sure it was in good faith, but I think they didn't do the proper research before hand.
they are equally worse
@@bmhedgehog2 haha nice 😊
Definitely changes the game, why not Holographic pins and we can just make believe we all hit the pocket for that perfect strike. I agree with others should not be used in tournaments or even leagues, unless I guess everyone agrees, but scores should never be compared to regular loose pin bowlers.
This video shows exactly why it's wrong for any sort of "competitive" play. The carry is, actually, hilarious 😆
There are two mom and pop bowling centers within 15 minutes of where I live. One is converting to string pins. I won't be going there anymore. The place that is converting has, I think, 16 or 18 lanes on two different sides. They should have converted one side only for kids' parties and left the other side alone for leagues and real bowlers. But nope. I think bowling will die if this really becomes big and the local centers convert.
I really dont want my local center to ever switch.
I’m really glad you did this video. It demonstrated just what I expected. Thanks!
100%
If I ever bowled a 300 game or 800 series I would feel like I didn’t deserve it. It’s like telling a pro baseball player, “here’s a tee, hit it over the 200 ft fence and it will count for your home run total.”
I've never made a 7 10 split or a big 4 sanctioned or not but if I did I would yawn at it.
They should not be sanctioned in competition, if usbc starts featuring string pin bowling on tv I will be upset
only the masters and US Open are broadcast on TV so no worries there
Maybe a good idea just to have them with pinball machines in between each lane as a novelty enjoyment game. 😂
Back in the day when I was a kid, we did have this as a novelty game in the arcades inside bowling alleys.
You asked about the ramps. I think it would interesting to see how different balls with different cores act at slower speeds
I could show you that. Throwing the ball 12.5 mph last tourney to get the ball to read the backs
#lowrevrate
I actually did this exact thing for my 8th grade science experiment
The thing to remember is that this is not a certified setter. A lot of work was done to improve them, before a particular type was certified (more than string length as some asked). In addition, the free fall setters' set up also causes differences on whether spares are picked up or not. See Mitch's 7-10 split challenge on The House Bowling versus JR Pro Shop. So if we are ok with differences between free fall setters allowing some spares to be picked up, then we should be ok if it occasionally happens with a string setter. But, I'm waiting to an actual certified scring setter being used before I pass judgement. Maybe if the center I go to get these, they might oil the lane more often (JR Raymond's "wipe the oil off the ball or not" question never comes up for me). I do suggest looking the USBC video "2023 USBC String Pinsetter Report".
Correct. This house is not using certified pinsetters. These are just for open bowlers. The USBC-certified ones will not give the kind of pin action he was getting (for the most part). I don't like string pinsetters from a purist's standpoint, but I understand the business/financial rationale behind them. That being said, a lot of the bowlers complaining about them should take the time to watch the USBC video on their research and why they set the specs where they did and how much different a new certified pinsetter plays versus the old-style string setups like he was bowling on. They're not the same thing.
I saw something that was an “improvement” to these, pins with no strings!
@@playdiscgolf1546 Ha ha. Let's be serious here. If free fall pin setters are in good working order (meaning that you don't have to wait minutes to continue bowling...or don't have move to different lanes) and then are as easy to maintain as the string pin setters, then yes, it is better to use free fall setters. The problem is that the current setters are not working well, they are expensive, and the people that can fix them are becoming fewer. I've had enough centers close down around me...I don't want more. When you have lanes shut down during a PBA events, this should be a concern with the state of these machines.
USBC and whoever did the "hard work" can take all that and shove it up their asses.
@@jglotzbach3264Operators are wiping their asses with the certification, just as they did when moving to strings.
The kind of people getting robbed by paying $5 for shoe rentals and $8 per game wont care about the strings and would surely prefer that to having to tell the front desk what is broken on the lane every 3 frames because bowlero bought every alley
Bowlero isn't in my area YET and I see them as the Borg.
I actually think string pins are good for bowling as a whole in terms of ease of access for the regular bowler. But they should be nowhere near competition
Great video. Shows how absurd string bowling is. I've been bowling for 40 years and have NEVER made the Big 4. And you do it in just a few attempts? Crazy!
I will say, string pin bowling is definitely more of a recreational enjoyment and maybe something more friendly to a casual bowler. But that's about it. I can imagine professional level string pin bowling has so many high scores and maybe 300s that no one stands out
When I first heard about it, I assumed it was some 100+ year old tech. Some dude behind the lane could just tug a handful of strings to reset the lane instead of doing each pin by hand. It sounded like a really good idea. Why anyone would choose to use this when we already have machines that set the lane for us is beyond me.
As long as it a separate certification it's ok, you get a regular average and bowl regular tournaments, and the string pin bowlers can get a separate average and bowl string pin tournaments. I have picked up the big 4 in league and the 7-10 and greek church in open play. I think it would be fun to set up all kinds of different splits like the 5-7-10 which I almost
picked up at the Santa Fe Station in Las Vegas when they had bowler vision, used a light ball with just 2 fingers and hooked the ball and the ball took out the 5 & 7 pins and the 5 went just behind the 10. If it is a separate set up like Delta it is fine but we are losing too many centers in California so I wouldn't want a house to go completely string pins
We've been waiting almost a year for a new bowling alley to be built in our town. They had a soft opening yesterday and I was able to make a reservation to try it out. To my complete surprise, they had these string pins. I had never seen anything like this before and it freaked me out the first time they re-racked. It's been about ten years since I rolled a ball down a lane but I know I'm a better bowler than what my scores reflected using these things. Pins that would normally spin or bounce simply didn't which screwed up quite a few spares. Simply not a fan of this method but it's what we have locally now so I'll deal with it. :(
You’re the exception then because most report higher scores on string pins
@@alstraka It's taken a while for the pin setters at the new alley to loosen up. I have one lane that I can score in the high 180's to low 200's consistently while the other lanes still have no pin action.
The strings are generally going to HELP your score. You are just out of practice after 10 years.
@@FUGP72 I dont think thats what the USBC found in their study at all.
In fact, in their study over thousands of games, they found that string pins resulted in a lower avg score by about 1 pin per game.
The house where I bowl is going to string pins in September. I am heart broken. The center has new owners who don't really care about real bowlers they are all about the money, so sad. If they think string pin bowling is going to make them more money they are dead wrong! They have a full house league coming up this fall and I thought about joining it but now I won't because of them changing to string pins. I look for their league attendance to drop drastically after they change. Your video PROVES that there is a lot of unnatural pin action that happens and this should never be allowed! They might as well put a monkey back there to bat the pins around.
btw they did a huge study and found no statistically significant difference between performance of bowlers on string pins vs. normal pinsetters
String pin setters can make universal bowling alleys a reality. You can easily reset the string pin pattern setters to duckpins, candlepins, five pins, and even Kegel at low cost. The only big modification will be an adjustable all size ball return.(Simple to design return tunnels and spring loaded ball return rotors). You can have five types of bowling in the same 60 feet lanes. More difficult to strike? Yes! But with a 120 handicap, who cares? Enjoy the game! 😊
Comment number 1: The coolest part of the video was the cat rocking out with you towards the end.
Comment number 2: Some of the pin carry is hilarious, and does make it a lot easier for the straight bowlers. I have bowlers in one of my leagues that now thinks they are so much better as a result. They seemed to get a lot of weird breaks, whereas as a lefty, I have had to make just minor adjustments, including ball, only for carry reasons.
I don’t even bowl competitively but my friends and I love going bowling, like ya know rent shoes and we use house balls, even I think that string pins are a dumb idea, they completely change how to play the game, the way I see it just chunk the ball down the lane real fast at a slight angle and the strings will do the rest for you, but on a real note like holy shit who thought this was a good idea
It's not like they thought it was a good idea for actual play. It is all about money since regular pinsetters are MUCH more expensive and much more fragile. They break a lot, take longer to fix (requiring a highly trained maintenance worker trained just for them) and are quite dangerous to work on. These are cheaper, break less, and can be fixed by any employee in a couple minutes at the most when they do break down. Meaning less down time for players on that lane.
20+lb ball vs 6lb ball on the ramps.
Good idea, not_penis_cream!
I’m with @not_penis_cream on this one
Laffing so hard at this name.
It's all about cash and dumbing down everything. We're doomed!
For strings bowling, I think that it is good for fun parlour like time zone but not for proper bowling lanes
IM ON THE CASE 👮🏻♂️🚓
Yes I totally agree with you the USB c should not have that sanctioned it should just be a hobby thing look if you want a bowling alley in your house and you want to have the pins attached to strings fair enough you know it's only for practise but it should not be an actual thing for our sport house port is great and I just wish they would just leave the pins the way it is
I tried string pin bowling at an alley in Seattle while there on vacation with my wife. Honestly, I didn't know the alley was string pin. It took me about two frames to realize something was wildly wrong. The pins were not falling in a "natural" manner. But, my eyeglasses were old and my vision was not as good as it would have been had my prescription been up to date, so I just figured it was me. Then it happened. I threw my 14 pound urethane straight and hard. I watched as the six pin was ejected forward then snapped backward. In the process of doing this, it hit the 10 pin which would never have fallen resulting in a strike. Over the course of the three games I threw on those lanes, I noticed many occasions where the strings definitely influenced the motion of the pins to change the outcome of the throw. I will never bowl string pin again. Shame on the USBC for certifying it.
Awsesome video. Exactly the video i wanted to make, but we don't have string pinsetters in my country yet. You did a great job oh highlighting why they are BAD ! Thanks !
where do you live?
@@lier999 Greece!
@@bowlingxp8345 that's cool. I almost went bowling during my visit there in february but we didn't have any time. Very nice country btw
While I think they’re good for general training purposes or for non-competitive recreational bowlers, I honestly don’t believe houses should use these in officially sanctioned USBC or even PBA competition. Getting back to that training purposes bullet point: that’s nice how you can select or de-select certain pins or pin groupings. Nice work on converting the Big Four, the Greek Church, and the 7-10, btw!
It's important to point out that this is the "fun" part of their bowling alley, meaning they probably aren't intending to use this for real league and tournament play.
and yet, usbc certified them to actually be used for tournament play
@@manewhairstyle my point is that the center did not bother with bringing these pinsetters to proper USBC code
“Fun” doesn’t come to mind. This is like a bad dream
Doesn't much matter what this one place intends to do or not... entire facilities all over the place are converting to strings because it's cheap, and the USBC in their infinite wisdom has given this abomination their blessing. Sooner or later it's coming to YOUR center, and this is all you're gonna get. Enjoy the "future of bowling", such as it is...
my buddy did college bowling and he did an ad for stringpin bowling. he said it was the worst pin action ever, he’d hit dead pocket or flush and would leave either a 2,6 or a 7,10. they paid him to say it was good but he told them it was horrible
He sold his soul 😔
Have you tried the USBC certified string pins? They said that "Additional testing is needed to determine if a conversion between string pinsetter competition and free-fall is reasonable." in their press release. If these are them...xD
we need an "I HATE STRING PINSETTERS" shirt
I've always wondered if the ramps would give more consistent ball reaction
If they want to certify string pins, it should be under a completely different category! I know there's a league there at Delta Bowl that has more than 26 teams during the winter season. They will cross over into "The Zone" where the string machines are. How's that gunna work?
more than two teams to a pair. or you can't have as many teams this season. 0:26 clearly says independent competition so no mixed bowling
*When Bowling depends mostly on the luck of the string being pulled rather than your skills, it time to hang up the shoes.*
I'm going with it counts as a spare, because the pins are always in play, therefore the strings are in play.
This was infuriating to watch. Thank you for making this video! How does this get approved for competition, but usbc is worried about the hardness of bowling balls. Make it make sense
What’s more infuriating is the people supporting this. Clearly not passionate bowlers
Agreed and do not listen to the propaganda by bowlers that support this much less USBC. This is not real bowling.
I have been bowling for 44 years and picked up the 7-10 once and never picked up the 4-6-7-10. String pins drain away the challenge and makes bowling into a pass/fail game.
the strings definitely has a different effect on how the pins fall, lean, spin, ricochet, etc compared to a free falling pin
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These should definitely be set up on the family fun side. I could see that helping a lot when it come to mechanics having to run around and not having to worry about the string pins messing up. But for real bowlers like league, or sanctioned events yeah screw this. Every shot looked heavily influenced by the stings. You essentially have another 4 inches of pin on top
Actually they had tests and unfortunately, the tangled string clear calls were pretty high.
How would that even work at a 40 lane center? Cut off 10 lanes for this garbage? There has been an infestation of family and adult entertainment centers out there last 20 some years that's all the new alleys being built are.
@@skalamaz3 my home alley has the old side which is lanes 1-36Then a new side that was built a few years back which is totally separate which has glow bowl, louder music, a separate bar, And that’s lanes 37-56. I can see it working on that side. But I am aware not every bowling alley is like that. But ones that are yeah it could work
If centers had some string pin machines and some free fall machines, I would pay extra to play on free fall
It's all about the money. String pin machines per game are a fraction of the cost of normal bowling pin setters. It's a different experience but if you shove it down the bowlers throats with statistics it looks like a winner. Bowling establishment owners don't even have to lower their prices.
6:35 mystery 10 pin fall w X FIles theme, AWESOME, truly awesome friend lol. Excellent vid showing what I'd only read about so far, string pins are a joke except for rec/rockin bowl etc. I'm barely a 180 avg bowler but yeah I'd just about rather not bowl then bowl league on strings, even more after seeing this vid. Luckily I'm in So Cal so even if I have to drive alittle more I'm sure it'll be years before I have to start going out my way for standard pins.
I don't necessarily see a problem with it as an entirely separate league. If that's how people want to play, be my guest. Perhaps there are other challenges with string pin that can make it interesting in different ways. That said, I'd hate to see it eat into the numbers of traditional lanes that are available and I can envision corporations jumping at the chance to change to a system that appears less complicated/requires fewer pins/may be cheaper to maintain (I presume). I believe tennis players are struggling with a similar problem with pickleball's increasing popularity.
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Tennis is still big enough that you're not going to see the future Williams, Nadals, etc moving over to pickleball. They are clearly 2 completely separate entities and only bump heads when pickleball players start playing it on tennis courts where more serious tennis players play tennis. Municipalities and other space builders are constructing pickleball specific courts for that reason. Stringpins are a bit different than that. Sure, in this video the strings are partitioned off from the regular lanes, and a local center around me does the same. The strings are in another separate area like the video and are for party rentals only. But with the USBC approving strings for actual competitive league bowling, it's only a matter of time before cash strapped proprietors go string, even for more serious competition. Leagues don't make the money anymore, it's the shoe renting, house ball using people that bowl once every 5 years. Strings are here to stay sadly, and they do have their place (mini bowling, casual bowling..and mainsteam duckpin and 5pin bowling has adapted to them somehow) but it's not bowling anymore than than the local pickleball tournament at the senior center is Wimbledon.
Why? Did someone sit down one day and decide that regular bowling is way to hard? They felt the need for bowling to be easier? Was this supposed to be an improvement over regular bowling? So many questions but here is my final one...what were the powers that be over at the USBC sniffing when they thought this was a good idea? They should all lose their jobs.
It wasn’t about difficulty. It was a cost benefit analysis for many people. The maintenance costs are way lower, the lane up time is higher, and the set up/employee cost is cheaper.
They just then wanted to approach the USBC to see if they could maintain their league revenue.
I worked at an alley that had "skunk pins". They had lead in the bottom.
As someone who has been bowling in Germany since 1972, I would like to make a comparison.
I know both lanes, but for club players, string bowling feels like having a rope around my neck. The freedom of seeing the pins fly around when the ball hits is completely lost.
An example at the end: In my home town of Wolfsburg (Volkswagen), the local lane decided to switch to string lanes. The result after a few years. Nobody wanted to play this crap anymore, not even hobby players ..... The tracks were not as easy to maintain as the operator had thought, resulting in the track going bankrupt.
It probably looked good on the bottom line financially, but you know what they say about things with strings attached.
Other videos I've seen of it weren't this bad at all. They seemed to have more string released before they are impacted by the string.. it may just be a setting they need to change to make it better.
QAMF's manual for these pinspotters shows the string tension is adjustable.
If string pins are certified they should have their own division that is completely separate. It would be like bowling 9 pin no-tap. It's fun but you can't take the scores seriously. It would ruin what little respect there is for the sport if string pins were the norm.
Funny I’m randomly coming across this video right now because just today I went to a bowling alley out of town to practice, they had the lights dimmed, and around the middle of my third game I finally noticed strings and never knew that was a thing. I was confused at the pin action the whole time before that 😂
with the string pins, i made the 7-9 on my first try after hitting the 9 pin on the *left* side
Good video. Would be interseting if you do this again to try not to hit the headpin but instead try to do things like trying to get a wash out or just aiming for the 10pin and seeing how many other pins fall on your first shot. I know they are doing this to save money, and probably with league revenue being down, those showing up just to drink and have fun don't care about the strings.
Is it a good video?
He was bowling on the "fun" side of the center on lanes not intended for competitive play, so not only do we not know if the pin setters were an approved model set up to approved specifications, we also don't know if the pit, lane surface, pins etc. meet the standards for sanctioned competition.
At best it's a video from which you can draw no conclusions about sanctioned string pin lanes, because they aren't, at worst it's a deliberate attempt to vilify sanctioning string pin lanes by filming at a location he knows is substandard.
Pretty sure we were right behind you in line at the WC safeway today :) My son (11y) and I kicked ourselves after for not immediately recognizing you and saying hi.
You are his favorite TH-camr. He has been bowling for a while and is part of the CVB Jr league. His high score is 223.
Keep the great videos coming.
Cheers,
Julien
Nice video. If an alley wants to use these to save money on maintenance, have some lanes use string and some regular, especially if pro bowling doesn't approve strings.
They can just make magnetic string system, where the strings will be disconnected with the pins once they are being placed onto the lane. Only when they are resetting up the frame, then the strings will come down and rearranging them with magnets.
That's been tried before... manufacturers couldn't make it work. The strings have to be repeatedly manipulated to get close enough for the magnets to grab all the pins in the right spot... you'd be sitting there all day waiting for it to re-rack. It would be faster if they went back to pin boys...
this could really harm bowling because it seems easier in most aspects. also when they go to normal im gonna hear alot of "bad Breaks"
I think it would be fun, being able to set up any pin combo is a get training aid. It is ok for a separate division but hopefully it wouldn't take away from regular bowling, Delta Bowl did it right keeping regular bowling but setting a separate section for Sting Pins.
I don't see why a regular pinsetting couldn't be designed to do this just as easily though. Just don't release the pins you don't want.
If you want to practice certain pins combo, it's a great thing, but keep in mind the strings are in play. In real time, there's no strings attached!!
One benefit to string pins as that you can set up any combo you want, but that's not exactly accurate spare practice for splits cuz the strings cause you to make the spare when in fact you didnt
The pin actions are really weird and especially making spares become much more easy.
String pinsetters are a good option if you want to build a lane for yourself because they are less expensive and they need lower maintenance than regular ones
One thing that is very common (my high school team practices at a string pin only place) is malfunctions happens every practice on one of our lanes, the string knocking the string over is also ridiculous
I was wondering about that. It seems inevitable that the strings will get tangled up. I am impressed that it works at all.
As someone who has worked with a couple different models of string machines this problem is pretty much a thing of the past, newer machines (within the last 5 years or so) dont really have the issue of the strings tangling as often. In the first place I worked at with 10+ year old machines we would get stopages around 1/125 games (this only includes times a human has to fix issue, the machine can fix tangles on its own) however on the newer machines (around 5 years old) we are getting a stopage in around 1/800 games.
String pins are great for recreational bowling and for ally’s in remote areas. I’d love to see what your 20+ lbs balls will to against them though!
Me too. @220, that's a good vid idea.
I think I would have to agree with you about string pin. But I think it's actually a way for the alleys to cut back on the amount of workers needed so they can keep more money for profits and take away jobs from the mechanics. I believe it is a ginick for companies to profit, not the bowlers themselves.
I don't believe usbc certified string pin calibration will have that much error.
There were definitely a few shots that the strings helped on and one or two that hurt but regardless bowling pins should be free to fly. (Messengers) I will say this the curtain they use really helps pins bounce out of the back, from what I saw there was no string assistance involved with the splits.
Right now I work weekends at a Fun Center where we have 14 lanes of string pin setters. I have bowled for 39 years and carry a 215-225 average, all depends.on the shot. I have bowled on the lanes here and the carry is different. The video you showed the strings are definitely too tight. The center I work at the strings only give you an easy spare about 15% of the time, usually leaves like the 3-6-9, 2-4-8 or buckets. I leave more flat tens in high flush or flush pocket shots. I feel that as long as it is a different segment of our sport, different divisions, then go for it. The string setters just might give a person the confidence to bowl more often and try traditional setters. Our sport needs more people participating, if strings can be a gateway, then so be it.
Very true comment. I was wonder if these were installed to the USBC standards
Strings are definitely too tight. I would kill for that pin action.
The carry for the string pinsetters are RIGGED!
If there is some kind of clutching mechanism for how tight or loose string can be set you are correct
Or you could hit the 10 pin only on your first shot, and wwtch and see if it can take out the other 9 pins via string reaction..
I went to an arcade place that had string bowling. As a casual game it was fun. Never even occurred to me to take it seriously. As someone mentioned, it was more of a "bar game" for me. I'm not even a good bowler! With that said, if they want to have entirely different ranks etc. for this style, including the length of the strings being separate categories as well, then let them have it. Additionally, I agree an established bowling center should not be replacing ALL their lanes with string pin bowling. Do a "string side" and a "traditional side". The only exception for this would be those giant arcades that happen to have a small bowling area "just for fun".
It seemed like just about every messenger pin ( headpin ) was costrained and lifeless.
Headpins as messenger pins is huge for clearing out 10 pins and other tough leaves.
Once these things are everywhere, messengers will be a thing of the past.
The only thing I’ll say is the usbc is using new string pin setups to test and they have different tolerances than most of what’s out there to play on right now. But I don’t think they can make them much better than they are but maybe ?
The competitive field is completely different with string pins. Surely there can be sanctioned competitions on string pins, but they are not comparable to classic pinsetters.
In 100 years "Did you know in the old days they used to bowl without strings?" "WHAAAAT?"
I love stringpin bowling. It’s my second favorite sport just behind the BME pain Olympics.
See that's the issue I have with string pins, when a string knocks over a pin, does that count? I definitely don't think it should. If the strings WERENT there it wouldn't have struck. Just seems like it makes bowling easier, and less of a skill thing since the margin of error would be greater because there's always a chance a string will knock it down.
I noticed that the opposite is true as well. There were times where the pin would be a messenger but come up short because of the string.
It counts. All falling pins count. What, you want a referee?
@@jenniferboone-sz1loI can think of at least 2 instances where "all falling pins" don't count
1: ball enters the gutter then bounces out hitting the pin
2: knocked over by the pinsetter
@AngrySecs Throwing a foul ball that hits the pins. I.e., stepping over the foul line.
@jakethehud All in all, String pins are just dumb.
This is why string bowling shouldn't exist
You can tell by the sound that the pin action is reduced. The strings reduces the top movement of the pins preventing the pins from "mixing it up".
The pins are tethered.......
i usually bowl about 23-24MPH id love to see how some strings react to that kind of bowling.
Poorly.
Strings make power less useful.
they did mention a huge importance in the length of the strings, these ones appear too short for pro use, but I bowled on some string pinsetters last week that were long enough that it didn't feel any different from freefall.
Nice video! You only bowled two games and had at least 5-6 strikes that were solely because of the strings. Plus a 6-10 spare with out actually touching the 10. Not to mention three of the most difficult splits. I don’t see how the USBC can say this is a good representation of actual bowling.
Thanks for the string pin vid. I've not bowled on string pins but seeing that action was something else. Greek church big 4 and 7-10 makes. If that is the standard set up for string pin actiion I have to vote no on certification as well.
You can change the string tensioner to be looser or change the length.. That's up to the establishment to do that. The reason they are so tight is for the casual bowler. There is less of a need to watch over them vs. the regular machines.
As a bowler I get why people hate this, but as a former proprietor who knows how hard it is to find reliable mechanics, I get why centers are going this route. This may be the only thing that keeps the sport alive for the next generation folks!
I would be interested in learning the pin setters as a second job .. If they can get more people eager to learn the mechanics behind the scenes, the mechanics wouldn't be so hard to come by.
That's what worries me - that it'll go widespread and you'll have to pay more to bowl with free range pins or can't find it at all.
Sad truth is the owner needs to learn to be the lead or only mechanic. Sorry, but that's how it has to be.
Understand an owners point of view however our local owners are saying they would lose 3/4 of their leagues as most bowlers are saying they will quit bowling if it comes to this so this may have just the opposite effect.
If string pins are what keeps the sport alive, I say let it die