How Does ANT MAN's Suit Work? (Because Science w/ Kyle Hill)
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Ant Man hits theaters this week, so we look at the science of small. Kyle explains how Ant Man's suit works in this week's Because Science!
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Thor explaining ant man?
I'm glad you saw it too
Christian Henderson I came to make a joke about kyle leaving his hammer at home... or something hammer/mjolnir related.
+lemuel calderon I guess Thor's muscles are done in post production, lol.
He really looks a lot like thor
He looks just like Thor but if he went to gym daily he would be a stunt double
Ant-Man: **Mass Doesn’t Change**
Also Ant-Man: **Rides on Ants**
the physics work how they say it works basically
when it's needed for him to be relative to an ant, he can be (like running on a gun or hiding on someone's person, not being super heavy in a small area so the pressure drive him through whatever he's standing on like a fucking nail with a grown man standing on it, etc)
when it's needed for him to be able to use normal sized forces, also can (like flipping or punching people as ant sized or actually not breaking his bones and whatnot as a giant, considering if he was relative to size forces that shit should've shattered his bones and probably collapsed his lungs and whatnot.)
@@leeman27534 the physics in antman are all wrong. If his mass doesn't change then there should be no way for him to ride an ant or run on a gun. We see when he first shrinks his mass stays the same when he breaks the floor tile, but then he is able to ride an ant. Doesn't make sense
@@LegitChipmmunk1002 no shit. i even said 'the physics work however they need them to work'. when he needs to have ant mass, he does. when he needs to have human mass, he doesn.
@@leeman27534 everything is like this in MCU movies. Like dr.strange mot being able to make a portal on that spaceship going to titan in Avengers infinity war
@@LegitChipmmunk1002 yeah but ants can carry things 5-6x their own mass. Meaning its LIKELY that scott could ride an ant if he weighed anything less that 165lbs.
The problem with that is it is clearly affecting his mass. In the clip shown in just this episode. He jumps up on and over a man's gun. Can you imagine the feeling of 160 lbs strapped at arms length. It would definitely have an effect.
+nuya buisness Not to mention the Hawkeye trick riding the arrow. Come on, Marvel.
+Shawn Martel or when he fell on the iPhone it would break the screen
Came here to say this.
I agree fully, and it's a bit frustrating that Marvel was that blatantly inconsistent. My head-canon is that the MCU has some sort of extra-dimensional energy field that many of the superheroes access in some way or another. Ant Man and Hulk need some place to store mass/draw mass from, and it would explain how Thor's hammer doesn't fall through whatever it's placed on. (There's some sort of AI--possibly the soul gem--in the hammer that judges the user, and then draws energy to make itself immovable if they're not worthy.)
He's not heavy. He's just stronger.
As of the time of this comment, a full 30% of the comments on this video are about my hair. So, mission accomplished?
Kyle Hill I find it very attractive. ^-^
Your hella cute (＾▽＾)
Kyle Hill keep that beard growing #teambeard
+Kyle Hill Dress like Thor, do it!. (*insert Shia Labeouf's video here*)
I like it. very robust. P.S I have no interest in remember what that means
My biggest problem with Ant-Man was the fact that they explained how the pym particle worked in the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe) and then on multiple occasions in the movie, they totally defied this explanation. Reducing the distance between atoms does not change weight, it only changes density. So how does a 170-180 poundish man that shrinks down to the size of an ant (and stays 170-180 lbs) jump on a gun someone is holding in a normal firing/aiming stance (outstretched arms) and the person holding the gun is able to continue holding their arms straight and not drop any amount of distance at all. Next, how does a shrunken WW2 era tank get shrunk down small enough to be on a key chain that hank pym carries with him for years and years then be brought back to original scale with an original weight in the tens of thousands of pounds. These are 2 examples of the movie blatantly violating their own established science in the movie. And just for good measure I'll give you a violation of their explanation that is the opposite of the 2 I've already mentioned. Scott Lang hits a plastic Thomas the train toy with an enlarging formula pym particle (or whatever you want to call it) and instead of weighing the 1lb or less the toy weighs at normal size it GAINS mass when it gets bigger and crushes the house. Hey movie makers, next time don't bother giving a detailed explanation of how something works if you're going to ignore that explanation for the entire movie.
I dont know what you said but i think you’re smart
Cinemawins theory from when he did everything great about Ant-man was that Pym never intends to tell anyone how the particle really works or his other theory is that Hank doesn’t really know how the particles fully work
They should have used the explanation DC used for The Atom. He can manipulate his density on the fly just like his size.
Less theoretically possible, but more internally consistent. He can increase his density to do stronger punches but then decrease density again to do the light-weight things he needs to do, e.g. stand on a gun
@@kuavatree6978 😂
That's why Ant-Man is my least favorite Marvel movie. The writers contradict their own rules constantly.
I just realized that Antman pulling himself up and over that gun means the guy holding the gun had a force of around 180 pounds on his outstretched arm and didn't react
"Let's start with the Atom." no he's the DC one, Ant-Man is Marvel
+Xander B Pretty one
***** oooh yeah. hyped for that
***** he's a clone of Chris Hemsworth, raised in different conditions. everyone knows Marvel genetically engineers their actors, he is just a test
True
A Pet Named Steve exactly my first reaction
PLOT TWIST!!! Antman's suit temporarily makes everything around him larger. Nerdist, could science prove this to be true?
I never actually thought about that..
If this was true, then the whole universe would have to get larger...
And when he goes giant the universe shrinks? Baaaadasss.
Not the universe but at least the earth has to change size.
3:51 He just theriozed endgame
The thing with the "not changing his mass" is this; While it doesn't have to change his actual mass, it would have to change the effect gravity has on his mass. So while not changing the mass, you do change the weight (and for several scenes in the movie to work, that has to be). Which, if you alter atoms, isn't that far fetched. But it leaves quiet some stuff to be explained.
I appreciate that you predicted the time travel aspect of Endgame.
You were correct about the time travel part
Explaining how Ant-Man's suit works “Let's start with the Atom”. Lol. So true, and a pun.
I noticed something in the Ant-Man clip...How did he run up the gun? He weighs the same as when he's normal size right? So that man was essentially holding up a gun, and a man with one arm
If he shrinks in size the way he does in the movie, he creates a black hole to destroy *everyone*
do we have a film theory watcher here?
yes-
+karsten69 oh yeaaa
that's what I was thinking lol
So, ANT-MAN can shrink down to small size ,and time travel to meet Agent Carter? Now, Cap has a way go back home.
You predicted the future
@@lordeddardstark4280 holy crap he did
I like how you mentioned how a conservation of mass would cause Scott Lang to sink into the Earth but why was there no mention of the Inverse-Square Law affecting his strength? A major line in the trailer was "the smaller you get, the stronger you get" which neglects to mention that the strength gain is relative to body size, not general strength.
komodo26 Yeah, I found that problem too. Even talking with the scientist who advised on the film, we couldn't square that.
Kyle Hill I suppose it must be a side effect of the Pym Particles.
Woah... you predicted End Game!
The reason why Ant-Man's powers don't quite seem to fit the scientific explanation is because the comic books had a completely different explanation. In the comics, Pym Particles actually transfer matter back and forth from a pocket dimension.
They say pretty clearly in the film that that Scott's mass remains constant... but his weight scales to his size (otherwise he would *not* be riding on an ant).
and here on earth your mass and weight are basically the same thing since your weight is just the force of gravity acting upon your mass. the way they explain the pym particle basically says that if you decrease something in size it's density should increase. and if you increase it's size then it's density would decrease. so basically everything he increases in size (the ants and the thomas train) would have had a density less than air when enlarged since their mass doesn't change (and density = mass/volume). Also shrinking himself to the size of an ant with the mass of 160lbs make his footsteps have the force of like 80+ pounds on a nail. and he would've went right through the tub he was in when he first shrunk down
The problem with Ant Man, is that sometimes seems that he conserve his mass when shrink, and sometimes don't.
Knock out a guy like a bullet: ok, he conserved his mass.
Fall into a fragile surface, be dragged by a little water flow or fly over an insect: oh, he is not conserved his mass...
0:33 "Without changing his mass" *runs along a gun barrel*
You didn't even mention the worst flaw in the movie, he goes smaller than an atom, it makes no sense with the explanation of how he shrinks.
+Aidan Ratnage "The magic of the Pym Particle" Because... Well, that's just how it is. Deal with it.
Atoms are 99.99...% of just empty space, pym particles reduce the distance of the nuclei of the atom and the shell (the electrons), this is why it's possible for hank to be smaller that an actual atom (that does not make up him or his body).
Tacoman supreme I'm pretty sure in the movie it was said that the pyms reduced the distance between different atoms, not just their nuclei, also wouldn't that be the same sort of process that happens in the death of large stars, causing his protons and electrons to become neutrons?
+Aidan Ratnage oh, sorry i thought it was the distance between the nuclei and its shells as it would seem to make more sense
But thanks for the update and quick reply, looks like I'm gonna have to watch the movie again
Tacoman supreme I could be wrong, of course.
4:00 "shrink down and time travel."
Kyle called it
one thing not addressed in the context of breathing while shrunk: not only there'd be less air around, but it wouldn't be breathable at all because its molecules would still be full-size, while pulmonary alveoli would be smaller than usual, and also hemoglobin wouldn't be able to bind them.
I seem to recall part of his power is shunting his density into an alternate universe--the microverse. So he can maintain mass, but density varies widely. In face, if he kept shunting density far enough, he would in fact be transported to the microverse.
Actually, the reason you can't pass through stuff is because electrons, protons, and neutrons are particles that have half integer spin (Fermions). It's not due to their charge (Columb force) and doesn't actually have an explanation... it's just a fundamental observation in physics.
go lesson to film theorist on antman
Do a vid on how strong the armored bat suit would have to be for batman v superman. Please.
Space Llamas yes i agree
Space Llamas That's a great idea
Kyle Hill I don't even want to know what your thinking.
At about 0:30 kyle said that the mass isn't affected but then he says later that the electrons would become their heavier counterparts to reduce their bohr radius. This clearly affects the mass
There are quarks present in atoms that repel electrons, much like your hands not being able to pass between each other. You not only have to coax the electron cloud into a smaller radius but manipulate the quark's field also since they balance each other. Plus muons decay quickly, but maybe you could cycle the radiation.
Hey Kylie, I finally watched Ant Man the other day, in it there is a scene where he decides to go "sub atomic", but is that even possible whilst still keeping his body's molecular structure intact? If the shrinking tech in the suit works by making the distance between atoms closer together, if they continued to be compressed together like that wouldn't it either create a fusion reaction/explosion or create some sort of mini black hole? Either way it can't be good for Ant Man.
The Pym particle could be wormholes through different dimensions and fields so the then it could decrease the strength or emission of bosons such as gluons and possibly the strength of the field curvature (only possible in qft) by spreading the energy through the dimensions like gravitons do (theoretically). And when he becomes big uses particles from different dimensions to proportionally increase his mass
I like how you touched on the mass/density problem. It is because of that he would have not been able to ride an flying ant around, or did all those other things. That is unless he somehow shed some mass. There are some other problems too. For instance, wouldn't he most likely have to be constantly exposing himself to the "Pym Particles" in order to stay at his small size?
And he shrinks smaller than an Atom by decreasing the space between his Atoms. logics.
And a giant ant with the same mass as a normal ant crushes cars and is not like hovering away and stuff. logics.
Panic Wolves
It is bad enough that you randomly write "logics." in your comment, but why isn't it at least capitalized?
Let's not forget "micro bends" cause of eviromental factors how would that be explained. Sciencetist have hypothesised that if humans shrunk down to micro scale there would be problems with nitrogen like a diver in the ocean. Except with the micro blends it would be fatal which would limited the time humans could theoratecally be shrunk to the size this is only hypothetical science at this point, but writer of Jurassic park did explore it on one of his other novels.
kyle hill could be like baby Thor looks like him just a wee bit
Kyle Hill would this part about his density increasing explain why his strength appears to increase when he is smaller? My theory (and I am not a scientist) was that his mass stayed the same but his size shrank so hitting someone would contain the same amount of force as when he was normal sized.
mass=/= weight, so with my very basic understanding of physics... doesn't that meant the suit literally defies gravity to some extent? His weight remains proportional to that of his size, but his mass is condensed into that tiny body which I guess explains why Hope said he had to be careful or he could kill someone with his strength.
No, mass would equal weight, this simply becomes a matter of density/volume. It's the same mass taking up a smaller space, the mass is still there with the same material that gravity is pulling at.
Take a sack of feathers, and say it weighs 1 pound, then you try to condense the feathers and shrink the bag to 1/4 if it's original size, and the feathers will still equal 1 pound. Same principle but at a much larger magnitude.
Shrinking and perception questions: If you shrink, would your perception of time speed up? Would everyone normal-sized look like they're going in slow motion? Would their voices go all Barry White? Would your voice seem higher to them (and to yourself for that matter)? Would your atmospheric perspective change (i.e.: the faces of those standing over you appear like some distant mountain range)?
HE CALLED ANT MAN TIME TRAVELING IN 2015 THIS MAN IS A GOD.
well of course he's a God, he's Thor
so does this also explain visions phasing ability? 1:46 Does vision eliminate the repulsive forces between atoms?
he predicted endgame
3:17 if you need more oxygen just make a filtration that will suck in more oxygen for when u need it+oxygen tanks obv
so.... now explain the talking-to-ants-part
Nils Knell easy cus he is THE ANT MAN (say that in a heroish way )
thats because nobody cares about aquaman
Im pretty sure it's the suit that allows him to talk to ants. with what LCblogs said.
5 years later and you nailed the time travel bit.
Prof.Pym explains that he alters the relative distance between atoms. i.e. bringing them closer together. He doesn't change the size of the atom. So how can he go sub-atomic?
I thought it would be more like reducing the forces between the particles and thus making the atoms more compact. That was it would mean there is less space between particles and atoms so a smaller size overall
@ Kyle Hill : Actually, I'd have a few questions for you.
- What would be the maximum shrinking one could do before starting having trouble to breathe ?
- How much shrinking could someone do in theory ? In the movie, Lang goes into the Quantum Realm, but in real life ( ha ha ) the maximum should be defined by the distance between atoms, right ?
- Would it be possible ( like in the case of the 1966 movie The Fantastic Voyage ) to actually shrink atoms themselves ?
- Noob question : Why making shorter distances between atoms actually increase one's mass, where there is no mass gained or loss ?
Thanks for your reply, and keep up with the good work ! :)
Might be beating a dead horse here but what about Capsule Corp capsules?
But, Kyle, that last bit about being so small you can travel through time got more of my attention.....TELL ME MORE!!!!
May you do a video on Ant Man's Time Travel? I'm doing research for a novel and I'd really appreciate it
in the movie they said that pim particles decrease DISTANCE BETWEEN ATOMS
he also wears a helmet that may be able to give him the right amount of oxygen(idk if anyone else posted this fact) also what is not in the film (maybe I've not managed to watch it either) he should be able to increase bis size exponentially (like to the size of a building
But volume comes mostly from the movement of molecules, not from the Bohr radius.
f.e. one mole of hydrogen takes up about the some volume as one mole of oxygen, even though hydrogen has a much smaller Bohr radius.
Idk, if I had an explanation it would be that Ant-Man's pym particles can reduce the space between parts of atoms themselves while at the same time storing the mass somewhere. Maybe in some other dimension, who knows. This would fix the density issue by changing the mass drastically and then you can makeup whatever "weight" Ant-man is. He might be like a small wrecking ball
Damn I wish he was my high school science I would have learned something
comixfan22 Thank you so much! That actually means a lot to me
4:04 you were true!
One time Hank used his Pym Particles to shrink the Blob, and Blob immediately shot straight down into the earth.
Ant-Man would never be able to go subatomic, because they were never shrinking the atoms in the first place, also wouldn't be able to breathe because he's smaller than an oxygen molecule. Also since the distance is changing between atoms, wouldn't Ant-Man be much weaker when grows to gigantic form because his density is much less?
Hey Kyle what's the science behind time travel and the 3 types of time travel?
so enjoyable and educational. i'm lovin' it!
Time for clue 14... Her name is Emala jiss, she does great mlp drawings but are not your every day sunshine and rainbows, but darkness and shadows. My personal favorites is her Corpes bride drawing...
Anyone notice the little pack on ant mans BACK, and tubes that lead FROM that TO Scotts helmet, HA!!!! Air Tank Confirmed!!!!
Kyle Hill I think you possibly have my dream job! Excellent and informative video as usual. (also, I like the hair... ignore the doubters!)
I know this is late but, does the same principle apply to Giant man in the opposite direction or does that require a different set of calculations?
So how do you reckon the density issue could be resolved? Also, shouldn't Ant-Man be unable to shrink himself to sub-atomic levels if the atomic particles within him remained the same size?
This is correct. The movies dont actually follow their own logic of how the powers work. For instance, he can make himself BIGGER, but GAINS mass when made bigger. But conserves mass when made smaller. It doesnt make sense at all.
" I like Iron Man because he uses physics.." just like you
"I like Thor because".. YOU LOOK LIKE HIM!!!
These are awesome videos. I just wish I can see a new because science episode every single day.
Armando Torres Thank you so much! Here's to hoping
Kyle Hill hey cool I didn't know you would reply because I don't really have any friends.
Now can you explain how the reverse is possible? It's one thing to shrink, it's another thing to grow again. Also, was the movie's depiction of the quantum realm accurate? I think those are strings at the end.
Cool. So, in the movie 'Fantastic Voyage', how do they avoid increasing their mass, when they' shrink?
kyle because of his density ant-man would just collapse in on itself instantaniasly
@Nerdist can antman reduce its size enough to turn into a black hole? how much that size will be? In the movie it was mentioned that antman punch has more effect because his mass is same
Hi Kyle, I really like all your videos! A friend of mine pointed out that, since Antman's mass stays the same, when he's on someone's shoulder wouldn't they feel his weight as if he's full size (when in the movie he seems to have the weight of an insect)? And in the end (without spoiling anything), when an object becomes large due to pym particles, shouldn't it look transparent and barely weigh anything since all that's changed is the "space between the atoms"?
When he scales up though... should he not get transparent since the Bor radius increases?
Firstly bohr's model was wrong so it was rejected. Secondly if you shrink the raduis of electron it would break heisenberg uncertainty principle and also pauli's exclusion principal
explain starwats blasters or the effects on body getting hit by the bullets would have
Can you please make the video about him shrinking down so small to where he is able to time travel. please.
See if the electrons circling the atoms become miniaturised, should the atoms not become miniaturised proportionately?
vsauce3 did something like this
Jake Brooks Yeah, but Vsause3 got Paul Rudd in the episode aswell
Alexander Inget Yeah, having millions of subscribers has its advantages
Our favorite hero is no more RIP LOVE YOU 3000
So, a few things ...
1. Ant-Man is clearly losing/shunting aside mass, not compressing himself. Look at the shot of him landing on an outstretched pistol. If his weight was remaining the same, or even increasing, it would immediately knock the pistol down.
2. While I get that his density would be incredibly high per cubic meter, he's barely two or three cubic centimeters. Also, would that effect his weight or his specific gravity? If he's conserving mass, just compressing it, wouldn't it weigh the same?
"let's start with the Atom" *The Atom from DC pops up* "No, not that one"
You should explain the microverse that ant-man goes into
I come from the future and this long haired bearded woman is right, in the future ant man shrinks so much that he is able to travel through the quantum realm at a certain speed that allows him and the Avengers to time travel. Good work skinny one!
yeah, but if the mass stays the same, how would you explain the luggage like handeling of the Pym laboratory when it shrunk down to the size of a bag?
This early just took me back to when I took chemistry and physics during middle school (6th, 7th, and 8th grade)
FUTURE EPISODE IDEA HOW ANTMAN CAN TIME TRAVEL
Teacher:"Study for your science final!!"
Me:"okay" *searches Because Science on TH-cam*
If we ever get antman suits thank Nerdist
Can you make an episode about how shrinking can let you time travel
Great explanation!
Maybe you could answer this: Provided you had the speed and some kind of bullet-proof material, would it be possible to deflect bullets like Wonder Woman does? What else would be required?
And I have asked this of others trying to explain Scott lang aka ant man: with the same mass how would that man be able to hold his gun as Scott ran along its slide?
im pretty sure they actually say that he gets more dense as he gets smaller, that he'd essentially become a bullet
ok sure good explanation but can you do a video on how this allows him to go sub-atomic? if the suit shrinks by shrinking the space of/between atoms, how can it become smaller than an atom?
Kyle Hill: Why? Because...
Batman: ..Because I'm Batman! :D
Wait this makes so much sense though, im probably one if the only people that looked this up instead of jusst finding it in the recommended
Is there an explanation as to why sometimes Ant man would have the same mass even after shrinking (i.e. when he fell out the window and made a dent in the mans car) but then other times it seems his mass has decreased as well after he shrinks. For example, when he is running on top of the mans gun, if he were the same weight the man would most likely drop the gun because of such an increase in weight on top of the gun.
+Maximus Keeble I dont think there is one. Also imagine when he turns into Giant-man and is still the same weight :D would be funny . just floating like a balloon almost.
While we're in the subject of SIZE and MASS, have you seen the Kong trailer from Comic Con? Please do a King Kong "Because Science". Can Kong's skeleton structure (and muscles) support that large mass?
Great video, though. I just stumbled upon your channel and have been binge watching them. I have had a life long interest in science and technology, so thanks for the videos!
Hey, can you please do a video on how to slow down time