Is The Bible Really Historically Accurate? Dr. Joshua Bowen
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- Many people wonder how historically reliable is the Bible. Dr. Joshua Bowen along with other experts in the field will tell you the further back you go into the Biblical narrative the more mythological it gets. However, during the prophets you start to see historical verisimilitude. This doesn't mean the details of the accounts are historically accurate.
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This was a lot of fun! We’ll cover more of this in The Atheist Handbook to the Old Testament, Volume 2 (should be out by mid-2022) :-)
Chapter 2 is very dense but interesting.
Seeing all of that same pettiness and braggadocio reflected in the hebrew myths but within the context of the time and region makes you realize that much of the hebrew bible is exercising some sort of quasi nationalistic Napoleon complex.
"We made that big shot pharaoh suck eggs and left Egypt to build our own Egypt! With hookers and blackjack!" (never mind they were never in Egypt and there never was any blackjack, plenty of hookers though)
"And then, we marched around the city for several days and we were so scary and loud that the walls of the city crumbled before our might!" (never mind that the wall had crumbled 1000 years earlier)
"Oh yeah? Well, our god is bigger than your god! What do ya mean, what does he do?" (quickly retcons all of their gods into one super god)
It would be funny if it wasn't also the basis for the worldview of 2 billion people alive today.
BuT iT's A sElF PuBlIsHeD BoOk Dr. JoSh, hOw Do We KnOw It'S aS rElIaBlE aS tHe BiBlE iS????
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters I think you misread my comment as an actual attempt at critique against Dr. Josh, instead of me taking a jab at David Falk for his attempt to discredit Josh's book on his channel by saying it was self-published and therefore untrustworthy based on that fact alone. I had hoped my sarcasm came through, but alas!
Anywho, I agree that the division in Christianity (30k+ denominations, holy St Cyril & Methodius!) + the legendary/magical aspects of the Bible make belief in it rather unconvincing to me.
But maybe tomorrow I'll find a walking talking snake! Be cool if he had a monocle and top hat.
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters no problem!
Love this channel! Thank you Mythvision. Can’t wait to get the books you recommend. I use to believe in Jehovah witness theology, and never really looked into the historical background of the Old Testament. I just accepted these things at face value without really diving deep into the subject. Thank you so much for your hard work. Keep it up. 👍
OMGoodness. Dr Josh, is Amazing. He speaks and studies dead languages, and teaches you how to pray in dead languages. That is CRITICAL, in order to understand human HISTORY, instead of Myths. Thanks Dr. Josh. And @Mythvision.
Im viewing this Channel for a year now… and im continue to be amazed… more power!
Always wonderful content and quality information thank you
Awesome Dr. Josh fix! Thanks!
Yea..but THE NEED 2 BELIEVE", is stronger! Sad
Also, please interview William Dever! He has a new book out on biblical archeology. And he grew up fundamentalist. And L.Michael White, author of Scripting Jesus!
Will do awesome corse
Thank You!
God is the ultimate mob boss. “That’s a nice soul you got there. It would be a shame if it had to burn in hell for all eternity. Just worship me and you’ll be fine.”
Not quite how Christianity works but based
@@samuelmerkel2888 how’s that not how Christianity works?
@@amateuroverlord8007 I mean we could start with the fact that the mob boss scenario assumes you existed before the mob did. In Christianity, God creates everything. Hell and heaven aren't about punishment and obedience, they're about life and death. God is goodness and perfection. To turn away from or reject God means you're making the choice to reject life and goodness. It's not about punishment
@@samuelmerkel2888 burning in hell for all eternity isn’t about punishment? Christians say truly asinine things to depend the utter depravity of their ideology. Also doesn’t matter who existed first or who created you. God gives the “choice” of obedience or literally the worst thing you can imagine. That is no different from the mob boss who gives you the “choice” of paying or having a brick thrown through your window. Breaking the mirror isn’t about punishment, it’s about the consequences of not making the “right” choice.
@@samuelmerkel2888 also god is goodness and perfection is just nonsense. Even if we were to assume the God of the Bible were real (he’s not) he is literally a monster. The most evil and disgusting figure imaginable.
Discussing events in the 20th year of Nebuchadnezzar (Nisan 605-Nisan 604 B.C.E.), the Greek historian Herodotus (I, 74) describes a treaty negotiated between the Lydians and the Medes by one “Labynetus the Babylonian” as mediator. Labynetus is considered to be Herodotus’ way of writing Nabonidus’ name. Later, Herodotus (I, 188) refers to Cyrus the Persian as fighting against the son of Labynetus and Nitocris.
In a book of the Yale Oriental Series entitled Nabonidus and Belshazzar, Professor R. P. Dougherty advances the supposition that Nitocris was the daughter of Nebuchadnezzar and that therefore Nabonidus (Labynetus) was Nebuchadnezzar’s son-in-law. (1929, p. 63; see also pp. 17, 30.) In turn, the “son” of Nitocris and Nabonidus (Labynetus), mentioned by Herodotus, is thought to be Belshazzar, against whom Cyrus did indeed fight. Although based on much deductive and inductive reasoning, this argument might explain the reason for Nabonidus’ ascension to the Babylonian throne. It would also harmonize with the Biblical fact that Nebuchadnezzar is referred to as the “father” of Nabonidus’ son Belshazzar (Da 5:11, 18, 22), the term “father” at times having the meaning of grandfather or ancestor. This view would make Belshazzar a grandson of Nebuchadnezzar
I am curious about biblical scholars think about Israel Finkelstein's, the archaeologist, views or works, does his works contributes to how Biblical scholars understand ancient Israel, Biblical authors' perspective and reality??
Personally I find Finkelstein very convincing.
According to Dr Hendel, the Hebrew of Daniel is consistent with 2nd C BCE Hebrew, not 6th C BCE.
Starting 19:50 “How Old is the Hebrew Bible” on MythVision
I use to wonder was John really there and heard every conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus....
The whole thing is a fairytale. The script writer can do anything about it. Don't ever interfere
I thought hard and long about this trying to find an another way to understand it. And I came to the conclusion it is all horse dookey.
100s of videos not released to the internet, on the internet?
Yeah, I mean to say not public on TH-cam
I have and read the book. It's no different than the garbage that has been made about the Christian faith before.
It really does, poison everything..
Especially for the Satanists don’t you think?
I'm sure it's a good book. But 2000 yrs from now it will probably NOT be the MOST translated book in history. Just sayin....
Lol. Neither will the bible 🤣
In 2000 years there will only be one language, why would we translate it to a dead language?
@@bouncycastle955 There's a Sci Fi movie script in there......
Or the all time best selling and most read either.
@@samuelmerkel2888 lol, it isn't the best selling. Giving away unwanted copies isn't a sale.
Religion, poisons everything..
You watch Dragon Ball Z Super I seen its like they showing all the gods
The bible has the giant nation's we have these nation's history, when the bible speaks about a king of a nation we now can get a more accurate dates based on the history we have on them.
He looks like Tom Cruise! haha
The god of the Bible is entirely like a sociopathic mob boss.
Unless you actually read it
@@patricksee10 Umm, because I have actually read it cover to cover quite a few times, thanks!
I think the key is reading it without Christian indoctrination and the presupposition that it is divinely inspired.
@@saffronhammer7714 I think the problem is that you read it for the sake of reading it, not understanding it.
Oh, my. Haha!
I’m afraid you read it with “understanding” of the indoctrinated, assuming it Truth -and without the eyes of discernment, historical or literary context.
Do you mean the way the martyrs and the saints read and understood it?
This shows that history can only be recorded accurately by the hand of God, this guy shows his insecurities with his eye rolling and his speech patterns. I think he knows he will be judged for his denial of the Truth one day.
Lol
Christianity, the religion of peace and love, whose adherents live to go around threatening people with eternal torment.
Dr. Bowen is a knowledgeable freelance intellectual in his field of the ancient civilizations of the Near Eastern area. However, a better title for his book on the OT would have been, 'The Handbook to the Old Testament for the All People'. The title need not seem to be for only one philosophical category of people nor should it expressly exclude agnostics, theists, or Christians of any faith community from a potential audience. A title should never intentionally limit the number of readers that might otherwise be attracted to the subject matter of the book.
One of the basic rules of marketing is choose a target audience (often just a segment of the possible customer base) and focus your message on that. Trying to please too many often ends up dissatisfying everybody. Besides there’s gazillions of these books written for Christians. Atheists are a growing and underserved demographic.
Your observation is good on principle but in practice I think editors and publisher made a very smart choice.
@@pansepot1490 Of course Dr. Bowen has already made his choice as to his target audience for this volume. I am sure that he is at peace with whatever consequences follow that marketing decision.
I read through chapter 2 of his book the other night and it's definitely hard to keep the places in your head but it did help paint a picture of how things were like back then in the region. Kings acting like gods, being super petty and waging wars on each other and even utterly destroying whole cities to make a point.
One thing that struck me was how israel and the jews seemed like such an afterthought to all the empires that ruled the region, just one of many minor periphery states. Pretty much just a vassal state to get tributes from outside the times they pissed off the assyrians and the babylonians bad enough to get invaded. I usually see Cyrus get talked up for liberating the jews from babylon by abrahamics but the way dr josh described the politics of the times it really just seemed like Cyrus just didn't want to bother with them or the other small fry and preferred to just get all his freshly conquered trophy ducks in a row.
"The Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen . . . oy! Ten . . . Ten Commandments to all to obey." - Moses (Mel Brooks), The History of the World Part 1.
U are a non believer to unless to follow he's final messenger....the praised 1
@@kingofdetroit358 ..shut up lol
@@oncode3983 n Lisa Ann never took a DP right?
Christians: as long as GZeus died for my sins. All GZeus commandments don’t matters.
@@kingofdetroit358 ..double shut up nitwit..LMFAO
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Great stuff Derek love your stuff
Bro I’m confused you’re a Christian are you not?
If the old Testament is God inspired, it should be bullseye accurate.
That isn't the definition of inspired.
@@blusheep2 I write a book inspired by God Himself it will be the ultimate in correctness and factual.
@@swamivardana9911 That is pretty arrogant to think that you hear the voice of God so clearly. Are you a prophet?
@@blusheep2 you are questioning my religion, do you expect a rational response.
@@swamivardana9911 I always expect a rational response. Do you know what inspired means? It doesn't mean dictated.
The Greeks borrowed myths and tales from a much earlier stories and wrote the bibles and gospels and the Jews and gentiles believed it and made up their own versions of their own religions.😁😁😁
That makes no sense then who wrote the prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament ?
@UC_5QHbnUgDrRL6jq2wQfljw I have read ceasers messiah actually, but that still doesn’t answer the question about who wrote and predicted the coming of the messiah being Jesus, ceasers messiah focuses to much on the New Testament, but why is the Old Testament excluded?
@@created6345 What prophecies in the Old Testament? Please explain.
@@kencratchley8697 there’s tons of prophecies in the Old Testament about the coming of a messiah who is Jesus, which was actually given the name “Emmanuel” meaning God with us in Hebrew
I believe that the most confusing thing is the outside sources of Jesus but also that the Hebrew texts or scrolls weren’t actually called the “bible” until later on, but they were split into what’s called “Dead Sea scrolls” or “Masoric Texts” or “Septuagint”. Wouldn’t all these scrolls be sources outside of “the Bible” that name Moses or Abraham or Jesus as historical people
There is clearly a stark contrast between Genesis and Exodus which is pure myth and the Deuterononomy history in Samuel, Kings. Pharaoh in Exodus isn't named but the history of David etc is an attempt at history .
הסבר וניתוח מצוין ומועיל! תודה רבה ד''ר ג'וש!
Why does God apoear to need people to believe? What is so important about belief? Why would a being, who we are led to believe, created the universe, put belief on such a pedestal? It makes no sense to me.
Because it's not real. If it was real then belief would be worthless. No where in life is belief better than knowledge. When winning the gold medal is impossible to win the silver medal will be praised as if it is better than gold. Peoples ability to justify bullshit is astonishing.
Sour grapes said the fox..
When God created men, SHE was only joking,
when man created gods it wasn't a joke anymore.
i dont think there is such a notion. the only time belief is mentioned is when the people needed to believe that moses was the big wig and it seems comical how the likable unbeliever is swallowed by the earth. most of the words for faith equate to measurement, or a test of sturdiness, solid foundation, inspected, analysed, level, able to be upright or maintain something as upright. its a nuance that is glazed over often. god is much less so perfect, but able to be perfected, just like his or santas helpers or whoevers aids etc.
a tip for biblical authors perspective. if something seems funny, it probably was meant to be. allow it to be funny
The jokes you tell, they are side splittingly funny, really they are! Lol
Belief today means mental acknowledgement, back then it implies ones actions revolve around the belief.
Fourth book I’ve bought by Josh if you count the the audio and physical copy of Does the OT Endorse Slavery. Sorry Derick, but I have to say it. The Aron Ra quote following the OT scholar’s quote is out of place, and doesn’t help. But I understand as far as marketing goes it probably helps sales. Hehehee 😏 Like your interviews.
the neighbour analogy was great. I think it's more like the police arrive, but you don't have a tree and also no neighbours
Have you truly never heard the name Darius? Say it with me now: dairy us.
Have you truly never come across names that are pronounced more than one way? Say it with me now: Mario, Stephen, Clara, Naomi, Andrea, etc, etc, etc. Names with multiple accepted pronunciations might actually be more common than names with just one...
Yes and no I would assume... The devil is in the details... Literally
What kind of history do you refer to? 1. Start there at 450 Bc. According to Ethiopian records, there was still a desert group that Jews later say. 2. Before King Josiah there was no Jewish people, no Jewish religion, neither YHWH nor Moses. The two kings before Josiah were demonstrably of the Moloch religion (Amon and Menasseh). 5th century BC. before Tenach, there was no Jewish religion either. 3. It was a Hittite territory called the territory of the Canaanites. They built the city of Avaris during their reign in Egypt. When they were driven out, the city of Hierosolyma was built after a few hundred years. Today it is called Jerusalem. They were surrounded by a stone wall and a church was built on the hill. The first. 4. Part 3/4 of the Bible is the Torah which is a copy of the writings of Sumer, Akkad and Berossos, rewritten - falsified. - I think we call the Old Testament a myth created by Jews using and passing on the works of others. It must be acknowledged that it does not contain facts and real deeds - but a Jewish myth.
Totally agree with Dr Josh's earlier comment, that it's easier to do some modern Hebrew before Biblical Hebrew. (Then the headache only starts with the wayyiqtol forms 😂)
Yah neh.... mythvision is gradually turning me away from the bible
Big BS story red flag a name that means "fool" lol nobody would name their kid a fool 😆
I wonder if we can get several videos on the book of judges.
I always said king David was a real person
Dr. Josh is a nice guy, but I take issue with how he reads things into the text. We can chat about a few examples sometime. I also think any rational person would admit some level of bias. I would rather see him be more objective.
This is really insightful thanks Dr Bowen.
Man it’s hard to follow what this guy is saying. He is all over the place.