New Power Pro Super Slick V2 or Daiwa J Braid Grand BOTH GREAT SO FAR
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- Power Pro Super Slick V2 and Daiwa J Braid Grand compared and discussed.
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Diameter of line DOES NOT help abrasion resistance ! If the line is woven in the way these 3 brands weave the line it will fray and be easier to cut off on rock snags . This line (all V2 and J Braid brands) is made on the same factory line in the exact same way . They are in all respects the same line . Same weave , same materials and same thread count . They are the same line dyed different colors . Slick 8 is very similar and woven the same way as V2 nd J but its made for the company from a different company than the other tw0 brands .. Here is the big secret in the braided line world no one wants to accept ... ALL the top brands are made into the same place FOR the companies who sell them NOT by those companies ! Hold for Berkeley line manufactures all have the same company make all the line for them from the same factory in the same corner of Hong Kong . Power pro , Daiwa , J braid or any other 8 strand line is made off the same factory line as each other and there is 0 difference between them. until this unnamed company comes up with a new fiber thread to revolutionize the industry once more you will not see an improvement in quality . You will only see new colors , New brands creep up when sales lag on other companies but the line will be the same . If it is spectra fibers it is all made by the same factory and I have toured that company floor and been told by the person in charge the secrets . The very best line on the market is sold in a generic spool unders several off branded company names . So if you hunt you can find the very best lines on the market for pennies on the dollar if you find the right generic spool brand to shop with . The same company makes a lot of cheap braided lines too . The difference? The cheaper stuff is inconsistent diameter and did not pass specs for the higher brand names and because of that dyed poorly . So some of their cheapo stuff is not great but some of their own generic stuff has the best dyes and the most consistent weaves and a lot of the innovation the big companies claim later comes years before in form of this companies off brands.
You bring up some great points.. Last time I looked a few years back there were 5 major companies overseas doing the weaving and a few in the states. And a loooong wait in line to get your brand on the loom. That may have changed and I assume it has. Raw materials differ but are in general very similar. Diameter of braid will effect break strength when a certain percentage of fibers are compromised... Larger diameters will have more left to carry the load... Then there are coatings.. Coatings wear off and depending on the application process will leave voids which means a loose rope weave is left. That's where V2 seems to do better than the last Gen. The j braid grand seems to fail much earlier than original x8 as in over 20 years of using braid.. I can't recall a line failing as much as it did in varying diameters over a number of different spools over the past year. Braids with high and low spots usually coarse 4 strand braids can hold up better due to the high spots taking the brunt of the damage in certain situations... Not a huge differnce maker but they shred veg easier which is why I prefer it. Then there is knotting... That's where some of the true differences come to light
@@TackleAdvisors The strongest line I have ever used is Diamond braid style weave though it's like fishing with a woven steel leader on you spool . The smoothest casting and cranking line I have ever used it Daiwa,slick 8/Jbraid or Original suffix perhaps but they all have the same weave . The most abrasion resistant line I've ever used is still the original power pro weaves used by several companies . The truth is spectra line is only as good as the weave used to thread it . Coating is a detractor and the best thing that can happen is when you use the line enough for it to come off !
As far as I know there are now 3 places that make all the braided line on the market . Berkeley has their own company and they cover all the brands under their wing only as far as I know . Then the main one who makes 80% of all the line for all brands which has 2 factories and 3 year waiting list for companies who want to use them to braid lines . The 3rd company is a rope making company and you can tell by the way they weave their lines that they are not fishing line specific in their weaves but if you do not mind a bit of noise when you cast this stuff is really as abrasion resistant as line can get . It will never be a revolution in fishing line but it won't break when you tag mr 50'' on a figure 8 .
Anyone else who makes woven line is new if they exist at all but it is only a matter of time before this industry is given competition and other Hong Kong and other countries factories will open with luming line as their focus now that the military contracts for spectra fibers are becoming obsolete . The best line on the market is really the one that you like most . There really is very little bad braided super line (slick8 Jbraid) on the market these days and you cannot really go wrong . If you are rich and can buy new line each month you can go with the super soft stuff that feels like you are cranking a cloud especially if you do not plan to fish rock bottom . If you are river fisherman get yourself the diamond braid style weaver and because of river current that deadens the sound of the line coming into your reel so it probably will not drive you nuts all day. The truth is the only line brand that has never let me down is Daiwa Saltiga and other Daiwa offerings and even in that I have gotten terrible batches that fray easy and become white line in under 2000 casts on Musky gear . Trust me i use 80 and 100 lb line almost exclusively and it is not any more abrasion resistant as any other braid of lesser diameter as long as it has the same number of strands . In fact I have more issue with heavy braid fraying more than thin stuff because of the added surface area . So really I like to have different line on all my gear so I dial in for the structure I run into or which aids in the type of lure I use on that specific rig . I will never use J braid as long as I live as it is made to garbage variants and the thread consistency used is very underwhelming and I believe this line is ripe for failure when big mamma eats your lure . I lost the biggest Musky of my life because of Slick 8 and a rub to the right rock and so I will never use that line ever again though I have heard that they have worked out the issues with that line these days I still won't touch it.
@@TackleAdvisors I think you and I come from the same world when it comes to looking at fishing gear . My dad used to freak out when I was a young lad for buying new reels and then taking them all apart before fished them much if at all . I have a thing for fishing gear and your videos are always 100% about the best things about fishing . Thanks for the videos . I would love it if you showed people who are cheapos how to take a cheap reel and put high end parts into the reel to convert it into a top end performer . Tuning up reels so crap can function like gold is one of my weird hobbies and I have made some bullet proof reels for pennies on the dollar and I sure you have too .
@@jesusoftheapes where do you find bearing size info for different reels and where do you buy them?
@@rino5381 I measure them and the bushings you can replace with a micrometer and hit up bearing world online . Also if you look up your reel specs you can get sizes for most of the big name brands off the scat sheet that comes with the reel . You lose yours and google images will have one for sure . Another way is you can just google the replacement bearing area you are putting it on the reel and the model of the reel you are looking to include it on and some blogger reel improver on the web will have a parts list they shared at some point . If you have a specific bearing you are looking for I have thousands of bearing in stock for all kinds of reels let me know if you cannot find whatever bearing you are looking for and I probably have it .
You have "fans" because you give knowledgeable and unbiased information and deliver it in a comfortable/common man's way. It stands out from the product shill and the elitist channels you come across on here. It's appreciated to say the least
Hey man....thanks brotha! I guess it comes down to just being used to posting on forums for years lolol.
@@TackleAdvisors yea stripersonline is great
I need a guy in waders to be my fish retiever...lol
So far the original jbraid x8 has held up awesome for me. Last year I used the same spool all summer all over the rocky windy coast of Maine and it held up great. No breaks whether I was stuck on rocks or seaweed no wind knots in wind up to 30 mph, the stuff has my full confidence.
I like the jbraid however do you tie the the FG not?
You should compare those lines to berkley x9 :)
Never compare anything to Berkeley because they just do not make the same kind of lines as anyone else . If you really are the type that likes the outlier go with Berkley line in braid . Berkeley has always been on a different page than every other braid company . They never push the technology market very far because they are not super innovative when it comes to braids . They are a mono company who banks on clear lines as their meal ticket . their braids are not in the same world as the company who makes the best line for everyone . They just do not spend enough money developing the braided line they produce . It's never going to fail you but it's probably not going to give you the best of what a line can offer in a super braid . If you want good braid and do not have a sponsorship with Berkley use anything else .
The Shimano Kairiki is the slickest of them all with one if the smallest diameters fantastic stuff.
It's the same line ! It is made in the same factory on the same production lume with the same kind of weave as slick 8 ,J Braid and most 8 strand braids available today . It has more useless coating that will come off in a 500 casts to make it smooth out of the box but that coating makes the actual diameter thicker not thinner . Do not fall for the idea that lines are different through brands . They are not in most cases different in anyway . All the major line brands hold Berkeley and the company who makes Diamond braid are made at the same place by the same lumes .
Ive used kairiki not abraison resist...😢
@jbollom1 that's a load of shite, I spool line all day and there's a huge difference between the braids you just mentioned. . Jbraid is no where near the same as kairiki, nomad different again fireside different again Grappler and Ocea completely different lines
You should test J braid against the Shimano Kairiki braid
Shimano line is the same as power pro slick 8 and J braid 8 strand they have the same weave same diameter and are made on the same production line . Dyes are different but only slightly .
@@jesusoftheapes so they are all the same?
@@rino5381 There's only so many ways to weaver microfiber and make it into a line . they take two smaller strands of micro and lay them on top to weave up to 16 "layers" . It is all so good from the least expensive original power pro to the newest gimmick weave or dye color the truth is most spectra or other named microfiber filaments are pretty hard to screw up . There are a few cheap badley woven lines made of the good weave techniques and but the quality of the filament is not good enough but for the most part you are looking at a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy . There are only a few true variations in weaves because they must be made on production line braiding lumbs . So many companies who ask for premium money for their version of a super braid are just using the same loombing process as other brands use but they source their own base filaments . From what I know most of all brands have their lines made at the same weaving factories and run their country made material through the same loombing techniques as the other guy . When you are talking high the difference between regular graded super lines VS the highest dollar super lines you gain very little if anything in variation from something someone else is weaving . This is not a nock on any brand that uses quality superline filaments and use a 8 -16 counter set and rocker weaving looms . They are exceptional lines from the cheapest you can get with this style weave to the most expensive . The difference are so minoot between these type of lines there is no reason to pay for the highest dollar one on the shelf unless you need it to feel more confident in your fishing day . Super lines are just that ..SUPER top to bottom . Even the original powerpro with 6 weaves is exceptionally reliable fishing line . Suffix is a great brand that cost is not inflated and will not fail you ever . Make no mistake Daiwa superlines are about as refined as you will ever need to catch any fish in the world with the highest possible fishability you will ever need . Berkley braid sucks for the most part but fireline is still very strong stuff probably works fine for most angling needs . Jbraid is fine but it is not god's gift to man . It's just another superline and the thing about all superlines is that they are all super.
8:50 I think the best word would be 'tacky.' It really does grab onto your skin a little. Having used both Grand and Slick V2, everything this video mentioned I agree with. V2 is much more wiry, whereas the Grand is smoother and limp. Personally, I prefer the J Braid Grand; I feel like it casts better on spinning reels than V2, and V2 backlashes on baitcasting reels are hard to untangle due to the tackiness.
That J-Braid Grand is A-mazing. I have all my spinning rods on the 20lb Gray Light color. Super legit stuff 👌
How good is the casting distance? I’m thinking about going 20 on my spinning. I currently using fins windtamer. And it’s a 4 strands. Noisy going through guides
Would be nice to review the Gosen 16, YGH GSoul, Shimano Pitbull 12x and so on. This lines feel much slicker than the V2 Powerpro or JBraid 8X on touch and through the rod rings... sometimes you ask yourself if you've broke the line when casting! Lol.
Ive been using j braid x8 on all my spinning gear for a couple of years now.. have had some powerpro but i had to throw away 4 spools of it in a month cause of windknots.. since that there has been noo pp on my reels.. J braid is really decent though esp for the price.
Was wondering how these compare to suffix 832? What would be your top 3 braids for 10-15 lb spinning and 25-30lb baitcaster? Thanks as always
I really just want some help can somebody please help me I want to pick the best braided line for bass fishing I'm not going to be using it for frogs. All I'm going to be doing is running from doc to doc and shoreline just skipping and casting away what would be a good setup worth the money for me
Mine do I plan on going for the J braid 8 Grand cuz I thought it would be a great pic but I just don't know anymore with all these videos if the Creator of this video could give me 2 seconds of this time that'd be great
I’ve only used the moss green power pro spectra think I’ll never switch
I can’t believe you had that junky 13 reel in your hand!!
Not my experience but Im told they sell bootleg jbraid on Ali-express. I tested 40lb Jbraid with the improved uniknott and it broke between 25lb and 27.8 lbs in 6 trys. I uses a swivel tied to bucket hung a few inches off ground slowly filled with water until it broke and then picked bucket up with scale. I will try the fg knot next but honestly the test ive done the line broke in the middle. Im trying to return the Jbraid i bought as i type this maybe i got a bad batch idk.
My favorite braided line is the original power pro. I also love the J-braid (can’t beat it for the price). Lately I’ve been really impressed with the Savage Gear Silencer Braid:)!
A similar monofilament review would be interesting, if you're using it on a regular basis. ( Berkley alone has more than six varieties, plus versions for cold water and ice fishing. ) I'm almost at the point of dropping braid altogether. More trouble than it's worth ... especially when attaching leader or a top-shot. A few yards of extra casting distance doesn't make up for the downside.
Spiderwire Ultracast is stronger than both! Great video as always
I put that on a few setups.....I prefer the new ss v2 over it. It's not bad...but it's nothing special.
@@TackleAdvisors Yeah that's what I said when I tried the V2. Obviously better than the original but still wasn't something that "wowd" me.
Hey buddy, I've got 500yards of 120lb kastking braid, you want it to do a review? I'm not going to use it so you can have it.
That carp reminds me of THE REEL TEST. Both suck.
Have you tried suffix 832 ? By far my favorite!
I'm curious for his review as well
Another great video. I like J Braid in the heavier applications say 40# and up. The 65# is great it's very round and easy to deal with. I just fished 20# chartreuse spiderwire on a tranx 200 for like 12 hours and it's white. Not doing that again. Interestingly I bought a 300 yard spool of Offshore Angler 20# in yellow for my brother's reel and he fished it for the same time and it hasn't bled at all. Caught probably 100 Spanish Mackerel on it with no issues so for a bit of a savings it might be worth a look.
Would love to see a review on Berkeley's flouro leader material as well. It's seriously cheap and I found it to be very supple and effective. I mainly fish higher test lines than freshwater guys so it's a different feel but for like $10 for 100 yards of 20# flouro on Amazon it was great. 25 yards of the 40 and 60# was under $10 also and worked great.
Have you tried the sunline xplasma asegai ? Looks like a very unique line .
They still make the Fireline braid. It's the Fireline Tracer Braid
I think it's tournament braid in the USA
Another nice Video! I use Daiwa Tournament Evo 8 Braid on close to all my Reels. I think its much better than the old J-Braid. Would love to try the Morethan 12 Braid but damn that price tag...
Hello 👋, I’m three hours late, 😐
. I should renew the braid. I used suffix 832 , Shimano Kairiki. Now shuttle in two braid. Gosen casting and Ygk G soul. I asked everyone opened a topic in a local group and asked my Greek friend he is a great angler. He is catching big blue fish. He is using Ygk on spinning reels and Gosen on light game reel. He said bouth of them are good. My rod is a Major Craft kg Evolution 0.8-2.0. I am catching barracuda and blue fish. I need 0.18 braid. Which one is on the front?
This man is complaining about the braid being to thin maybe change the 8lb to 15lb i know im a genius. When you pick braid you pick it by diameter.
Don't recall him complaining about diameter. He even said if you want more abrasion resistance use a thicker line. He complained the diameter rating on the box of a premium braid wasn't close to accurate. Obviously he knows diameter is a big variable he spent most of the video stating just that.
What color power pro did you prefer and how did the color hold up ? Thank you for your videos 🎣
Onyx seems to last longer than blue.. Never used green... Moonshine seems to be a little ropier in 65 compared to onyx as well
Do folks not run flouro leaders on pretty much all applications? The FG is easy to tie and can be done rather quickly, on a rocking boat / jet ski / kayak and won't pull through like a uni/uni, especially with mismatched flouro / PE diameters. It casts perfectly and holds up well. I usually tie one FG and can fish all day. If the Flouro gets nicked up, you cut it back and retie the lure / hook. If the leader gets too short or I have a break off, I set that rod down, fish another until it's time to move and then retie when positioning the boat. Easy and takes PE abrasion out of the equation.
What would you say is the best braid for abrasion resistance, also I've heard some people say the 4x braids hold up better to abrasion then 8x. What are your thoughts?
Thanks man I’ve been using power pro for years because it was the best when I started however my local tackle guy spooled me up with the 6lb light green j braid and straight away the visibility/ casting and overall feel is better . I came here to see what you had said anyway 👌💪
The power pro slick v2 is a more durable line... If j braid grand held up like the power pro v2 and everything was the same.... It may be the best line ever made.. But it's not.... I've had as well as others some failures
You should do floroucarbon line battle. Floroucarbon line has gained popularity over the years. Seaguar Invixz is my personal favorite!
Always liked suffix 832 the most doesn't really matter that it fades to me
Fished it again for the first time in awhile.... Next to Berkley x9 and pp ss v2.... Man is it rough (which can be good)
@@TackleAdvisors how long have you used it for? I've found when you first spool it it's very stiff and noisey but I've had the same 20lb on one of my baitvasters for about 2-3 years now used it many hours a week and it's butter smooth after about a month. I've used normal pp wasn't impressed and I can't justify the extra $10cad for the ppss
Hello. What do you think of the Berkley x9
Have you tried Sunline frogging and flipping braid?
i dont like j braid becuse when thers the small line coming off after tieing the knot i normaly cut it and burn it to make a hard part so the not doesnt slip that stuff lites up and burns fast and some times burns the knot
I have used the j-braid, Fireline ultra 8, suffix 832 but nothing casts so well or lasts as SpiderWire Stealth Smooth 8 braid for both pike and perch and i will never use anything else from now on. Suffix comes second but loses color really fast and its not important but sucks when you pay 25 Euros to spool a reel, Fireline ultra 8 is the worst shit i have ever used, it sounds like a steel wire thru the guides and is loud as hell when you just reel it in,
Do you think the grand is really more abrasion resistant than 4 carrier braids? Daiwas claiming it’s more abrasion resistant than their 4 carrier Jbraid.
I'm not sure if you can get your hand on the Asian version of the J-Braid line, it is significantly thinner. However, now I am questioning my self if all the lines are rated correctly or it's just a numbers game they play. It is very tricky with braid lines to measure thickness since it is not perfectly round, perhaps it's oval in shape. I think it comes down to confident of your choice.
I don’t like the new v2 , my favorite line is super slick 8. What line do you think is comparable to the old super slick 8
Hi! I've used 20lb Fireline (0.012in) on spinning gear but had it broken off a rock. If line diameter is what improves abrasion resistance, which would be better? 30lb Fireline ultra 8 (0.015in with supposed 4x abrasion resistance) or say a J braid with a heavier break strength and thus thicker line? And if diameter is best for abrasion resistance, which type is most economical? Thanks!
This is exactly the review I have been looking for.I just bought the J-Braid Grand x 8. Reason being is I didn't like the J-Braid x 4 which is extremely rough and hard so much so whereby there is even line memory (at least when new), but not quite as bad as the original Fireline.
This is the very first time I have bought an 8-carrier braid as I had always been super reluctant to touch the stuff due to its total lack of abrasion resistance. I don't know whether you might have seen this clip on TH-cam, some guy reviewed the original Super 8 Slick, he was a Northeast fisherman like yourself and I couldn't believe what I saw. So, he pulled out a stretch of 50 lbs Super 8 Slick and ran it over the round edges of a smooth rock and it snapped on the 2nd swipe. It was ridiculous. Ever since I swore not to touch any 8-carrier braid even when my friends were telling me off that I was being left behind.
That was until I saw Daiwa was coming out with the J-Braid Grand x 8 made from this Izanas material which is supposed to enhance abrasion resistance of the line. I also saw the same Izanas material being used on Shimano's JDM Pitbull braid. So, I thought it can't be that bad. Plus, even though I knew PowerPro was coming out with the Super 8 Slick V2, the J-Braid Grand is quite a bit cheaper.
Anyway, my first impression is it is very smooth, but I have my doubt on its abrasion resistance quality. I haven't fished with it enough yet, so we will have to see. But, my hunch is 4-carrier will still be the best if abrasion resistance is your top priority. So far, it seems to cast far and it digs into the fluoro leader nicely which is great when you are tying the FG. Let's keep updating the feedback on these lines and see how they do overtime.
Hey man! I used the x4 and really didn't like it. ENough that I have a spool of 8lb untouched. I thought it was going to be great like an updated power pro original. But man........after 3 outings using the 30lb it turned into loose ropey spongy crap. I never had many difficulties with abrasion between 4 and 8strand lines. I get the "science" behind why 4 carrier could hold up better since only the ridges make contact.....but if you heard me mention that fins 40g stuff....I wasn't exxageratting a bit about it lasting and still appearing to be in like new condition. I went on about amonths worth of trips chasing giant brown trouth....constantly casting lucky craft wander, stream drive hd, and jackall sierra minnows 150' distancess allllll day...And twitching every handle turn in rocky rivers. Never a fiber out of place. And that is an uncoated super smooth line. I spend quite a bit of time bottom bouncing rivers as well. I never found 8 to chaff any worse than 4 in my rivers when I go leaderless. At the same time I wouldn't expect izanas to perform any different than the post patented hmpe. As it's as far as I can tell through what i"ve read. Izanas is literally just a new name given to the same material. ( I think sunline had a line out early last year using it)
I have to say while I am enjoying the smoothness of the 8, I know deep down I am an abrasion resistance kind of a guy. If I encounter just one snap, I can just see myself going back to a 4-carrier, probably Tuf-Line XP. Part of fishing is a mental game and it is never a good thing if you are not confident with your line. But, let's see what happens, I am trying to stay open-minded. You know in Japan they have 12-carrier braids already, fancy giving it a go? LOL. Both Shimano and Daiwa have it.
Great info but I don't get the idea of comparing lines by pound rating. In the USDM the rating is just a marketing game. "Our 8# is stronger than their 8#." Comparison should always be by actual diameter. Thumbs up anyway.
I purposely kept it simple by going by package rating. I deliberately left out ABS and KBS to avoid confusion and kept it as much about handling and basics. I definately agree with you. Which is why I made a point about diameter vs abrasion but did not want to go to far down that road which would then have involved abs KBS testing and such
hi friends i have a question is there any difference in distance between power pro super slick 8 vs power pro super slick 8 V2?
I wasn't a fan of original super slick... V2 In onyx is my favorite all around affordable US market slick braid
Abrasion resistance? Do folks not run flouro leaders on pretty much all applications? The FG is easy to tie and can be done rather quickly, on a rocking boat and won't pull through like a uni/uni, especially with mismatched flouro / PE diameters. It casts perfectly and holds up well. I usually tie one FG and can fish all day. If the Flouro gets nicked up, you cut it back and retie the lure / hook. Easy and takes PE abrasion out of the equation.
I always use a flouro leader for abrasion resistance and you're right on but mainline abrasion resistance is still critical. I just fished a pier in NC heavily over two weeks and I went to 65# braid to avoid cutting off on pilings. Used 6' 30# flouro leaders to start but usually ended up with a foot after Spanish Mackerel missed my jig and cut it clean. Did land a 6# citation though and the flouro saved my butt it took at least two good runs against pilings loaded with sharp shells and such.
Great video😉👍😉👍😉👍👍👍
What do you think about Spiderwire Stealth smooth 8 camo blue? I'm looking to get Slammer lll 5500 and I want to spool it in store full. They have only Spiderwire in Multicolor and I want that color
It's not bad. I used it for a while on my saltiga and some baitcasters. It's like Jbraid 8. Power pro slick 8 v2 is vastly superior in every way that I can think of
@@TackleAdvisors thanks I'm happy with J Braid on my Daiwa BG 5000 for shore jigging setup. I love to have multicolor lines on my reels specially for jigging techniques. My favorite braid is Daiwa Evo Tournament's, Shimano Kariki and Sufix but this store don't have it in multicolor. I will give chance to Spiderwire
I'm having trouble with J Braid (30-lb) on two baitcasters.
First problem is the braid seems to dig into the spool and mid cast stops where the line has dug into the spool. I can easily pull out the dug in area, reel in and cast again with no problems but it happens over and over again.
I fish a lot with Flukes and I think the line may be twisting due the to Fluke looping around. Could that be the cause of the line digging in? It happens constantly on my Curado I but hardly ever happens on my Tatula CT.
The other problem is I cant get the J Braid to lock down on 12-lb Red Label Flourocarbon using an FG knot.
I've tried more wraps, less wraps, a few wraps-tug then wrap some more tug etc... I have tried roughing up the braid with my fingernail and have tried dynamically snatching on the finished FG knot to try locking it down with no success.
The only way I can get the FG to not slip is to tie a granny knot in the Flouro tag end after completing the FG knot. After fishing that knot, getting it wet and catching a few fish (where the knot should have definitely been pulled on enough to lock down tight) if I get hung and pull on the line the flouro always slips from the braid at the FG knot with less force than it should.
Any one else experiencing either of these two problems with J braid?
Any suggestions on how to remedy these problems?
Would be good if you could test these 2 lines for abrasion matching them for diameter rather than strength. Good video
How does the j braid grand compare to the 8 strand spiderwire? I really like the spiderwire but it’s like 40 bucks a spool. Do you think I should try the j braid grand or just keep using the spiderwire?
It only took them how many years to realize that V1 of pp ss was shit !?!
Have you used Seaguar Smackdown? I use Gliss in 18, 24 for spinning and 40 for my baitcaster. Anything lower than that is useless it's so fragile, but I have found the 18 and 24 to be durable enough considering how this line is a quantum leap better casting than any other line I have ever used.
The PowerPro version is the best braid I've ever used. It's very round and very smooth. I also love fireline in lighter sizes because its extra stiffness makes it handle much better with regard to tip wraps and tying knots. Just remember it breaks at twice what it says on the pack and choose size accordingly. And I do use uniknots but with a bimini double in the braid. If you want maximum leader knot strength, the single best thing you can do is tie the knot with a double. And not just the line doubled back on itself, a proper double tied with either a bimini or plait. At work I demonstrate the difference all the time on a line testing machine. Fireline x8 is fantastic stuff.
I've run into more problem's with JBraid(White Box)compared to reg Power Pro. Haven't tried out the New Line's yet.
As always good stuff! Its occurring to me that as a general rule of thumb- different braids are similar to mono in that "limpness" = reduced abrasion resistance
I have been using the Grand [10 lb] since it came out. I have it on a Tatula CT100XS, a Metanium and a Stradic. I am very happy with it. I will be switching over from the J Braid 8 that my other reels have. The lake that I fish has a lot of peppergrass and I have had no fraying at all. Ten pound braid slices through that stuff like a knife.
What braid for surf fishing do you recommend on Louisiana coast what lb especially for abrasion resistant also 4 strand or 8 strand??
Shimano Power Pro V2 is king 😊
That wasn't an equal pull on both lines. But i trust your opinion. But i couldn't help but to notice there was a little more of a jerk on the first one you pulled.
The jerk was the slip to fail if I remember correctly. It was a little surprising that some failed as soon as they did which may have made it look like that. Like a dry branch snap. Since then test the power pro has proven very durable. And I've had some fraying and a premature phantom failure on the 8lb j braid
Waiting for update and what is the best braid today ?
In my experience.... Gosen 16 is the best I've used... Only used 15lb but it's amazing... Power pro super slick v2 is my favorite common braid (used 8 to 65lb and love it) ... Will be using Berkeley x9 this spring sounds promising...
Tackle Advisors thanks for the reply and looking forward to some more line reviews and comparisons. TC
I just hate wind knots so much and it’s constantly 17+ mph winds in south Texas so I’m forever a mono guy
Love the video's. Wow so many tests for braid, lol. With mono all we looked for was strength and flexibility.
i have used the power pro super slick that i purchased at cabela's is awesome,but the power pro super slick coming from amazon is terrible specially the packaging so people out there better watch out.
Have you made the second video for this or do you just not care for the j braid grand at all
Been watching for awhile just subscribed you are by far more informative than other channels I like how you actually focus on performance versus looks unlike other channels keep up the good work thanks
I have the power pro super slick 50 lb test in yellow. My Quantum mg tour edition is covered in yellow dust from the coating peeling off.
I’ve been using super lines since the Linder Bros. First talked about them in the In Fisherman magazine . Fire line is One of my favorites , not too good with the abrasion resistance thing. That’s what Flouro leaders are for.
ooof.... remember when red power pro first came out...I jumped......my calcutta te dc was permanently stained lolol...My first braid was Fenwick Iron thread back in the late 90s. It was a bronzish color.....Friend of mine used power pro kite string and turned me on to it lol
i haven`t used it in a number of years,but Seaguar Smackdown was some very smooth stuff,,have you used it?
The worse thing is braid that fails when in windy conditions it tip wraps when using 20 gram lures ,then you get a break off at the join & you go wtf was it my knot or the braid that failed ....
I'm not a fan of Super limp braids... Tip wraps in real world conditions are unavoidable with super limp lines which is why I prefer wirey lines
You should try Pontoon 21 braids. Super thin, durable and long lasting. Breaking point measured with the knot, not like many others companies out there.
I've been using power pro on my spinning gear for years now. I ve been using the j braid in the 50lb and 65 lb on my conventional gear. I you hit the nail on the head . Used the Kast King 1x. Never again
Talk about a bullseye, geez. Just toss your lure in to the fishes mouth lol.
please help looking to buy a spinning reel what should I get . most I would spend is 500. diawa Penn shimano .. guide me please would buy 6000 size to 8000
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Just curious how often you go back to review your old reviews because you forgot which was best... Thanks I go back often.
Hey man! I started a thread on Stripersonline. Com saying that I gave up on grand... Way too many phantom break offs and it fraying easily.... Elias v fishing had the same issues with 15lb and a few others chimed in that thread I started stating similar experiences... Power pro onyx and Berkeley x9 are my go to smooth braids now
There's one braid that beat them all, and over the years I know and what not. Coated and Microfuse lines dont fits the bill $ anymore. New age new tech ul fishing need to better lines and at last there is.
If I read the commends its all personel, some still go for the money and yards I wouldn't changed there opions. Theres only one person in the comments that knows Iam right.
Mr Tackel-advisor gives always good opion, maybe you like it or not its up to you am not doing that for you. Do your own research succ6
Which braid are you talking about?
just what i've been waiting 4 , thank you
Keep up the good work
I tried J brain once 3 or 4 years ago and had a bad experience. I'm never switching from standard power pro. J braid would just snap by casting 1/4 oz weights with a soft plastic if I casted really hard or if the line is stopped by a knot in the guides or the bail flips. With the J braid I tied palomar and clinch knots and the braid would snap at the knot half the time or it would be within a few feet of the knot. It was 30 lbs test J Braid. I've never had Power Pro cast off a lure at the 20-40 lbs size and I use 12 lbs fluorocarbon leaders or 17-20 lbs mono leaders and I never had a lure cast off since I threw out the J Braid. Garbage IMO I wouldn't give it away, you'd be a cruel man to let someone fish with that shit.
That is contrary to the norm. I know tons of people who had the same experience with original power pro. And it's well documented and where the term "phantom breakoff" originated. To each their own. But I've fished j braid for around 400 trips from trout to tuna and never had an issue.
i just subscribed well done FANTASTIC vids. Many thanks. Could you test Kastking kastpro and their superkast9. Its great that you show the true diameters. Why don't companies be honest and state true diameters????????
Thanks man appreciate it. I may try some but am wary after not being very impressed with their other products. Is with fish went down that rabbit hole the other day. Funny thing about diameter.... When talking to another company who makes very expensive line. When I told them their 8lb was off. When I asked how they measure they didn't know. They tell the company that makes it what diameter... So they didn9even bother testing their own product lmao.
Just say your on a pier jetty etc anywhere you could break off and you have a fish and goes into the pilings or rocks 1st if it’s big your screw probably going to break off with any braid 2nd your going to have to retie anyway so ya
Absolutely! I just fished OBX Piers and caught a 6# Spanish that wrapped me on a piling. Even with 50# flouro I was lucky to keep it on in time for the net. Braid would've crunched immediately but one never knows what's out there for your mainline to cut on. I switched from 30# to 65# braid mainline after random cutoffs and it worked. He's correct that nothing can beat having a thicker diameter braid. No coating will save you!
What would you use CO polymer or fluorocarbon coated line for? Plus I've got the new daiwa kage rod I wanna send to you if you are interested,
Hey man. Honestly I don't really use anything other than braid to a leader......I really can't figure out an advantage to stick with 100 stretchy stuff. I can tie in a long topshot if i really want or just a leader and have that braid last forever.....I can take 6-10lb braid that would break at 20lb plus with a pr knot. And all the negatives associated with floating line vs neutral/ sinking really go out the window. I handled them at the show for the fist time saturday.....wasn't overly impressed......I was expecting feather light but the models I handled weren't.....that. WHich one are you rolling with?
I recently test drove some J-Braid Grand in 20#, on a brand new Ballistic LT. I gotta tell you it is incredibly smooth compared to the others braids I use (PP SS V1, Sufix 832, Sufix Perf.). So much so, that it took me a while to get used to. The Grand combined with the smoothness of the reel made it feel as though I was reeling in line without a lure. Not a bad thing. Just that I'm used to feeling the textured line coming through the guides. Also, since I didn't test it that much, I did not get to test it's sensitivity, or lack thereof.
That's the ballistic for ya its like reeling air
what about the braid soaking up water? i been using j braid for past 6 years and i hate when my hand get soaking wet using it on a baitcaster.
Jbraid holds more water and results in more water finding its way to your hands than the power pro... I think after about 50 trips or so with the new power pro. It's the best none buzz sawing baitcaster line I've used south of the stoopid expensive gosen or hitena lines
Definitely like these videos your information is priceless and once again can’t thank you enough for starting your Channel
I think a Shimano guy reviewing the same lines would say Super Slick is the best. Just saying 😂
After lots of time on the water... For bass duty where buzz sawing isn't needed and the sag drag of line isn't an issue. It's the best line south of Gosen 16 carrier I've used. After thousands and thousands of casts and tons of fish. It still looks new on a baitcaster. Super smooth and near silent on a steez ags and megabass Levante (two rods it's seen its most use) it makes maxima 8 obsolete in every way..(other than crazy limpness.. Which I don't prefer) . Though I do like the lighter j braid on a spinner for fitness compared to what ssv2 offers
Power pro 8 slick v2, стоит покупать?
The braid that seems to be gaining some worthy fanfare is the Phenix Rods Hydra 8 Strand...hopefully you can give this braid a workout as well.
Great stuff as always.
I'll look into it.
After that finatic braid debocle I'm wary of new braids from companies coming out this late in the game. As it can't be anything special in my eyes.
I'm still waiting for the super slick version of maxcuatro that I used 2 years ago when helping with some guide layouts on the tiralejo surf rods. The v2 may be it as it didn't have a name at the time. And it was black. But was inky black.
What are your thoughts on Ardent Gliss? I just got some from Walmart clearance, never used it. Seems like a lot of people get break offs and abrasion resistance is terrible. Wouldn't even consider it for normal price. Was thinking about using the 8 lb on a small spinning set up for trout.
For starters....test your knots.......I found personally with gliss....I needed to tie in a leader to get good knot strength. Standard knots on Gliss, nanofil, and fireline ultra slip out or break. I found PR and FG knots are the only good line to line join knots for it as well. Which kinda sucks.....alberto knots hold....but not very well compared to the same diameter braids....The package rating is a bit closer to it's acutal break strenght compared to same diameter braids. Which means if peaple are used to suffix 832 6 or 10lb.....Gliss is not going to be near as strong before you even tie a knot. I use the 18lb now for albies on a stella 4000 and 6kg which is from the first batch I bought from the UK before ardent got the distribution and jacked the price up. (this stuff was supposed to be 20$ for 300 yards..that lasted a week) I used the 40lb in the surf but found I need a bit more body in my lines for plugging in surf conditions. Its great for max distance applications....as there still isn't a line that can cast as far....crazzy thing is. Some lures wont' cast as far because without the resistance of th eline coming off the reel to keep the lure flying like a dart. It can tumble. WHich is pretty interesting. But get that bait flying straight and you can get more than 20% gains.
I have both Powerpro and Daiwa J braid x8 installed on my reels. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
J braid is more for vertical jigging or shore jigging. The braid going through the guides are very quiet. The braid is round , light, soft, and smooth but very limpy. Due to the braid being limpy, the casting distance is dropped by 30% compared to Powerpro. Also, the braid line is prone to fray over a period of time from the guides. Not to mention the braid color bleeds quite fast. The soft limpy braid helps the jig lure action to manoeuvre freely in the water.
The powerpro is excellent in all levels. It casts very far due to the braid being wax coated. Very tough and abrasion resistant. The braid color doesn't bleed as fast. The braid line is thin, stiff and flexible in a good way. It helps the line to run smooth through the guides without having the line to be limpy resulting longer casting distance. The only problem is the line making noise through the guides and the cost but the cost of the quality is very well worth it. Perfect for surf casting for long distance.
What you describe is right on par with my findings... Only I find on baitcasters the power pro stays quieter longer.. Which is the case more often than not as there's significantly less ribboning due to twist. I found that the grands abrasion resistance is less than the x8. To the point that I don't trust it under 20lbs. I find that after a few long casts on the beach or in general when the body of the line starts to hold water power pro starts pulling away in the distance dept... Lighter lines grand still wins.
Good stuff... Thank you very much for the well though out and detailed response
Thanks for the thorough review, ive been trying to find info on these two braids before buying one or the other for a while now. Thanks again
I've always liked comparing line by their PE rating/line diameter rather than their "package" strength ratings. It seems some people like to compare by line weights. For me, both would be a better/more equal method than advertised breaking strengths to compare lines.
Regardless, how to these lines stack up against Berkley's Pro Spec/Trilene Tracer or Yozuri Super Braids? I've have great success with Berkley 20lb for baitcasting but I haven't tried any of the newer braids like Yozuri or x8. I'd like to be convinced that my newest spending spree on Pro Spec bulk spools was a worthwhile investment lolol.
I'm looking at line in the ~80lb/PE8 class for popping and stickbaits. Any recommendations?
Also, any updated opinions on Penn Slammers vs Saragosas? Thinking of getting a 4500 slammer 3 for targeting tropical species off the rocks and from kayak. It's street prices is almost $100 cheaper than the 6K saragosa right now. And i've had some major issues with the size 8000 saragosa's (possibly my fault for palming the spool).
I agree with you about the ratings. And how they should be measured. I specifically went into this solely focused on the experience and handling. I didn't want to open up the abs and KBS aspects and how the power pro is the diameter somewhere between 15lb or 20lb grand. So strength tests would blow j braid out of the water. Once I pull super slick to 25lbs and j braid to 18. .. There's no going back it becomes power pro is stronger.. Game over for 90 percent of the internet that goes by what's solely on the package.
The slammer 3 is proven a tank and I'm still seeing quality control issues pop up way more than the gosa. So if you get a good one it'll be great. But the gosa is probably the more reliable and consistant. And after the spinfisher suffered the same water intrusion issue the slammer did. Gosa all the way for its sealing
You should suss out Black Magic ssp fibreglide. It’s a mono/braid composite👌👌👌👌
It's already in the mail lol saw it a few weeks ago looked cool to
Could Daiwa j x8 grand be good for trolling?
Is there an update to the longevity of the power pro? Did it turn limp like the j braid?
The onyx up to 30 lb was flawless. The blue 30lb loosened up more than the black which was weird. The only is still shiny and it was used the most. I had a bad spool of 65lb moonshine that was visibly frayed the entire length. We think it was the spooling matching and high tension and speed against a leather glove.. Outside of that... The onyx is the beast sub 40$/300 yard braid I've used.
great review! A question if I may - do you think Power Pro could be a good choice for feeder fishing? In feeder we work with heavy feeders/cages and abrasion resistance is very important. However I am more concerned with what you said about Power Pro acting completely different to Daiwa's J-braid in terms of how it touches the water.. not sure I got you right there since English is not my native language. Did you mean that Power Pro sinks much faster? Or does it touch the surface of water faster? Maybe both? In feeder the faster a line sinks the better
As far as braids.. Absolutely.. It's tough stuff in that department (pp superslick v2)
@@TackleAdvisors thanks! but what about its sinking qualities - did you say it sinks faster than j-braid cause its heavier or does it tend to form bellies/curves on water surface?
Looking for a good recommendation of abrasion tough braid in the 85/100lb braid. Going for GT off the rocks in Hawaii
Hey man... Hmmm not sure any braid will make a differnce. 2 friends of mine live there and braid doesn't last very long. Pr knot to a leader and pray you don't get reefed. Braid under tension and abrasion won't last at all. Give Don Becker a call at Donstacklehawaii.Com. One of the nicest guys you'll ever talk to. Tell him Nick, Scoobydoo told you to give him a call.
That wirey coating on PPro reminds me of how Shimano Kairiki SX braid behaves - same factory anyway.
Looking at when kairiki launched. It may have been the line I used when helping test guide lay outs in the new tiralejo surf rods
Sheat stuff, don't waist you time with them believe me.
I am pretty damn sure that 8# PP tests substantially higher in both ABS an knot strength than the jbraid...remember the findings of that NZ (?) guy paulusjust?
and probably higher than 8lb anyway :)))
Id bet its abs and KBS is higher than the Jbraid. I'd bet it's more in line with the 15lb Jbraid.